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Asymmetrical "Sarmat"

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The Russian response to the US withdrawal from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF) should be asymmetric. It may consist in the creation of a ground grouping of strategic-range and super-weapon cruise missiles — missiles with combat units of the megaton class.

The US Congress approved the allocation of 58 millions of dollars to develop a medium-range missile. In effect, this means deciding to exit the INF.

The amount is small even by Russian standards, what can we say about the US, when allocations for the development of simpler weapons systems began with several hundred million, or even billions of dollars. This suggests that the new American RSD already has a solid scientific and technical reserve. In fact, we are talking about the transition immediately to the development stage. The cost of the first prototypes of a promising rocket can reach a dozen or more million dollars by the most modest estimates (for example, a serial Tomahawk, a product that is simple compared to a high-precision MRSD, costs a customer one and a half to two million dollars). So, using the allocated funds, the Americans will be able to build three to five models or carry out a relatively modest amount of other OCD. This suggests that the new rocket has already been developed and is about the final stage before launching into mass production. That is, on the sly, they have been working on it for a long time - probably from the moment when the United States suddenly discovered a "violation of Russia" by the INF Treaty.

Washington will try to achieve superiority by deploying groups of RSD near the borders of Russia. Our country will not be able to quickly provide an adequate response, and the Americans will receive an indisputable advantage for a sufficiently long military-political period. The idea is obvious - to make Europe (more precisely, its eastern part) the base of a nuclear attack. It becomes possible, without withdrawing from the treaty on reducing strategic offensive arms, to significantly increase the potential for the defeat of the territory of Russia relative to the retaliatory strike. On the other hand, to force us to re-target a part of the strategic nuclear forces with the United States to Europe. Moscow is deprived of the opportunity to place RSDs near American borders so that the area of ​​shooting includes all the key elements of the military infrastructure and economy of the USA: there are no territories where to form such a group. The second operation "Anadyr" ("At the zenith of the Cold War") today is not feasible.

Pershing vs Pioneer

How serious is the reason that prompted the Soviet leadership to sign the INF Treaty? Let us return to the past and see what the situation was at our borders then. In 1982, the United States adopted the Pershing-2 MRBD. The plans provided for the deployment of groups of more than one hundred such missiles near the borders of the Department of Internal Affairs and about the 380 KRNB Tomahawk in nuclear equipment. To eliminate this threat, the Soviet leadership decided (with the full support of the military) to sign the INF Treaty. What is the point? Indeed, in exchange for 490 of the Pioneer complexes, we had to cut about the 680 of the American missiles, in terms of the firing range and power of the warhead, far exceeding the American Pershing-2. As for the Tomahawks, in the USSR they could easily create an equivalent grouping of the ground version of the Grenade.

Let us turn to the Pershing-2 TTX, today it is not a secret: the 7,5-ton rocket had a firing range of about 1800 kilometers. Its nuclear warhead is 8 – 80 kilotons of TNT equivalent. The mobile missile system: the launcher is mounted on a self-propelled chassis - to ensure its proactive destruction is problematic, since it is necessary to constantly monitor the location in real time with the appropriate correction of target designation of means of destruction, even if near the borders of ATS complicated. But this will not surprise us. After all, the “Pioneer”, which was put into service in the 1977, is also mounted on a self-propelled chassis of a six-axle MAZ-547B high-capacity conveyor. But unlike the “Pershing-2”, the “Pioneer” shot at 5500 kilometers, and its warhead weighing about 1500 kilograms made it possible to place a thermonuclear charge with a TNT equivalent of about megatons on it. That is, the Soviet missile system is much more powerful than the American one. Yes, and in service with them, we emphasize, about 680 units. So what made our leaders go for such disproportionate cuts? It's all about shooting accuracy and flight time. The American rocket hit the target with a standard deviation of about 30 meters! The high-precision munitions used today in Syria, the Russian and the US, are approximately the same. According to the experience of the war, it is enough that with one hit it is guaranteed to destroy even a well-protected object.

At that time (and today) the creation of specially protected underground (rock) command and control centers that could withstand explosions of nuclear weapons at a distance of several hundred meters was considered the main way to ensure the combat sustainability of the control system of the armed forces of all developed countries. But not like the Pershing-2 CU. With an accuracy of 30 meters of standard deviation, the probability of the warhead entering the 100 – 150 object on 100 – 150 meters (the typical size of the underground protected control point) is more than 0,95.

Another important indicator was the flight time of the “Pershing” to the designated targets, which, due to the flat trajectory and high speed, ranged from five to six to eight to ten minutes depending on the distance of the object of destruction. That is, the Americans were able to deliver a preemptive beheading strike and destroy all the main points of strategic control of our strategic nuclear forces. When introduced in accordance with the START-1 Treaty, the system for the prevention of unauthorized use of nuclear weaponsthat excludes the possibility of launching without receiving carriers of a special cipher-code unlocking the rocket, the aggressor could expect that no response would follow. After all, then the system "Perimeter", the notorious "Dead Hand", did not exist yet - it was created precisely as an opposition to a decapitating strike.

The situation with Tomahawks was a little better. The main type of Soviet DRLO Tu-126 aircraft available at that time was the Liana RCL, which was aimed at detecting high-altitude targets — B-52 bombers going through the North Pole to strike the USSR (almost all of the long-range radar aircraft were based in the northern regions of our country ). And Liana did not know how to identify small-sized low-flying targets of the type “Tomahawk” against the background of the underlying earth's surface: the lower boundary of the detection zone was about three thousand meters. Aircraft A-50 only entered service. Therefore, in the western directions, the airspace control system was built exclusively on ground-based radar and had a lower boundary of the observation area of ​​up to several hundred meters. Tomahawks launched from mobile ground-based launchers could penetrate into these holes between posts at extremely low altitudes. Their range is about 2500 kilometers. And although the flight time to this distance would be about three hours, the extremely low altitude of movement outside the radar observation zone made the strike sudden. Both now and then, the accuracy of the hit is quite high - the standard deviation of no more than 20 – 30 meters, which, with the power of the 200 warhead kilotons of TNT, also guaranteed the destruction of any protected control point.

So the Americans, having deployed the Pershing-2 and Tomahawks in Europe, were given the opportunity to deliver a sudden preemptive strike at the strategic management points of the armed forces, getting a chance to win a nuclear war. In response, we could only go on decentralizing the use of strategic nuclear forces as the only way to guarantee retribution. It is for this reason that our leaders spoke of a sharp increase in the nuclear threat.

As for the “Pioneers”, they did not “reach out” to the control points of the American strategic nuclear forces located on American territory. And the use of Strategic Nuclear Forces with an 25 – 35 minute flight time and a developed US anti-missile surveillance system would not be sudden for the Yankees, they always had the opportunity to retaliate even under the most adverse conditions. Yes, and the accuracy of fire "Pioneers", which was 500 meters of standard deviation, did not provide, despite the powerful warhead, guaranteed destruction of highly targeted point targets such as an underground control center.

The destruction of Europe as compensation for the defeat of their own country was a bad consolation for the leadership of the USSR. Therefore, they went to the signing of the INF Treaty.

The main thing: the American ballistic and cruise missiles of medium-range ground-based allowed to cause a sudden guaranteed decapitating strike on our country and, of course, to increase the nuclear potential that could reach the territory of the USSR. Today, judging by the general direction of the US military-technical policy in the field of nuclear weapons, the course has been set for the same goals. It cannot be ruled out that in order to neutralize the Russian “Dead Hand”, effective EW facilities are being created or are already in place to ensure the disruption of the signaling of the command and control of the Russian strategic nuclear forces.

Give vulcanization

Obviously, a symmetrical response, consisting in the creation and deployment of our RSD, is unacceptable, because it means taking the lead of the enemy: if you deploy our complexes, as some experts suggest, in the Arctic, the nuclear threat potential of the American territory will increase minimally. The subpolar RSD will not reach the main control points of the military and political leadership of the United States. And Russia will be forced to divert to this a significant part of its financial and industrial, intellectual resources, which are so modest in comparison with the United States.

It is also impossible to increase the number of strategic-range ballistic missiles, this would mean withdrawal from the START treaties and we, who have a much smaller economic potential and destroyed nuclear warheads, while the Americans have stockpiled, we will not be able to participate in the race on equal terms. According to experts, the Yankees can increase the number of SNF due to the "return capacity" in 2 – 2,5 times within a year and a half.

However, in the system of legal regulation of relations between our countries in the field of nuclear weapons there are several aspects that allow creating an adequate threat to the United States if they withdraw from the INF Treaty. If its action ceases, the restrictions on strategic ground-based cruise missiles are also removed. Meanwhile, Russia has first-class aviation KR X-101. With a starting mass of two and a few tons, it delivers warheads weighing about 500 kilograms over a distance of up to 5500 kilometers. Moreover, the accuracy of hitting the target within 15-20 meters of standard deviation. And the X-101 has a nuclear double - X-102. It can be assumed, by analogy with the American Tomahawk, that our missile is capable of hitting targets for 8000-9000 kilometers or more. And this is the intercontinental range. The ground version based on the X-101 is created in a relatively short time. It is quite possible to establish and launch launchers.

Two to four missiles weigh 15 – 18 tons with the container. It can be placed on a heavy truck chassis with a semi-trailer along with a control system. That is, we have a fully autonomous mobile missile system. The grouping is growing in proportion to the increase in batteries of US RSD in Europe, thereby creating an adequate threat to the territory of the United States. It is important to note that the control system of these RCs may also provide for a decentralized mode in the event of the destruction of strategic elements. Indeed, cruise missiles, as well as nuclear weapons of operational-tactical and tactical range, are not subject to centralized blocking of launches. In order for a strike under any conditions to be unacceptable for an adversary, the size of the grouping should be at least 500 – 700 units (taking into account expected losses in the territory of Russia and anti-aircraft defense).

Another nuance of the START treaties is the absence of restrictions on the total "tonnage" of nuclear weapons. Only the number of warheads is limited. This allows you to go on the way to create mega-weapons - warhead with TNT equivalent of more than a hundred megatons and rockets to them. Such a munition, if used, can initiate catastrophic geophysical processes in the United States, in particular the eruption of Supervolcano Yellowstone. Today we are developing a heavy Sarmat ICBM. It is known that it has a global range, that is, it flies along non-optimal trajectories with the possibility of hitting any part of the planet. Moreover, its warhead can reach 10 tons. Dimensions are sufficient to fit a multimegaton class warhead.

The emergence of such weapons will force overseas "partners" to sit at the negotiating table and agree to destroy both their RSM and missile defense system. The precedent was created by the USSR when the P-36 series rockets prompted the most militant Americans to start a dialogue.
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  1. Nemesis
    Nemesis 24 November 2017 15: 54
    +4
    The best answer would be military railway complexes with Caliber missiles equipped with nuclear warheads ... Such weapons will be a good incentive for the EU to think about its anti-Russian policy and its outcome
    1. dSK
      dSK 24 November 2017 17: 11
      +3
      Missile Messagesbottom-based"- is it true or myth? hi
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 24 November 2017 19: 46
        +2
        There are torpedoes that can be installed at the bottom, and then used by giving a command on the radio. There are the same sea mines that can lie on the bottom for a while until they are put into combat condition by radio ... But the waiting time for these systems is limited the capacity of their batteries ... I have not heard of such missiles ...
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 27 November 2017 17: 03
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          If it comes to sleeping "bottom" complexes, then it is not difficult to provide them with energy. I am not even talking about small-sized nuclear weapons. For the operation of the complex of communication devices, geothermal energy sources are sufficient. The water temperature at different depths is different - this is your source of energy. Almost eternal.
          And missiles - maybe they lie somewhere at the bottom. Who will talk about this in the media? Only a few initiates know.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 27 November 2017 20: 11
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            These are theories, and unsteady ones, at the level of talk about Zircon missiles, which, allegedly, are already in service ...
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 28 November 2017 02: 20
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              Getting the power supply from the temperature difference has long been not a theory, but everyday practice. I do not know how this is realized under water, but earthly houses have long been heated with the help of such devices. And in the west, and with us.
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 28 November 2017 06: 05
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                You do not know, do not write like that. Mines are not for you heating homes in Iceland.
                1. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by 28 November 2017 08: 46
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                  To begin with - I did not defecate with you on the same field, so I recommend not to poke.
                  And in the case - kilowatts, they are exactly the same as in a submarine, a bomber or in a children's railway.
                  And even more so in the "sleeping" bottom mine.
                  Good luck in electrical engineering, Expert!
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 28 November 2017 13: 37
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                    Do not write nonsense. Even airplanes with gas and nuclear fuel engines didn’t go beyond the prototypes ... And you tell us tales about Captain Nemo here ...
                    1. Vlad.by
                      Vlad.by 28 November 2017 15: 19
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                      You write nonsense. And where does the gas engine (here, as I understand it, mean the Tu154 flying hydrogen at one time? So it really flew and the problem was not the engines, but the difficulty of storing all-penetrating hydrogen) or nuclear fuel?
                      Ocean-based power plants built on a temperature gradient existed and still exist in the USA and Japan. According to rumors in India.
                      Surely our MO is doing something in this direction.
                      Fabulous you are our ...
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 28 November 2017 17: 14
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                        According to rumors in Ukraine, the strongest army in the world ... And so with your statements ... Some rumors ... It would be all OK in Japan would not build a nuclear power plant there ... In Japan there is nothing but banal heating of residential buildings, the same principle as in Iceland ... And your allegations are unfounded ... The same Tu-154 was interesting as an experiment, but it didn’t go into series, so the gas-powered system is not working.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 November 2017 23: 33
      +4
      Quote: Nemesis
      The best answer would be military train complexes, with Caliber missiles equipped with nuclear warheads.

      BZHRK ... with Gauges? And where do you unload the Yars with the Barguzins? Or do you have some other BZHRK !?
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 26 November 2017 20: 13
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        It does not interfere....
    3. max702
      max702 26 November 2017 13: 32
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      It seems to me that everyone somehow forgot what nuclear weapons are especially strategic .. It was estimated that after the successful hit of ONE “Satan” only 80% of the industrial potential of the USA would be destroyed .. and in which case it would fly a lot more, because there is a Strategic Missile Forces, the submariners obviously have time to pull the guns from the piers , and the aerospace forces will fly away .. and these warheads will fly not in the deserts and tundra, but in critical facilities such as nuclear power plants, hydroelectric plants, chemical plants, storage of various weapons and much more .. imagine that 10 kilotons fell into the dam of the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station .. Introduced? Correctly, everything will be washed off into the arctic ocean, and plus Siberia will be left without light, and, accordingly, railway and all logistics will stand up .. and this is only one rocket with 10 Kt .. and much more than a hundred charges will fall .. and what will happen if we allow that Zaporizhzhya NPP? Chernobyl lost the cover of ONE reactor enough for everyone, and it’s good that the country at its peak with difficulty but was able to quickly eliminate the most dangerous consequences, and who will solve these problems after a massive nuclear attack? stupidly who will extinguish everything to extinguish? there are creeping reactors, hydroelectric dam dams are destroyed, chemical plants are burning, there is no light or heat, the top of both civil power and the military is destroyed, global human losses .. And why? who won in this case? what will the winner get? and this is only a blow on one side, and what happens if both sides are about the same in each other's sadan? Civilization will at least roll back to the Middle Ages, and even to stone .. and environmental problems have not been considered at all, and political ones to them, someone thinks they hit and that’s all? all wiser at once and start creative work trying to restore civilization? No, mass slaughter will begin, the war of everyone and everything. and again the question is what will the winner get?
      rs: by the way, we can generally not launch rockets anywhere, we’ll stupidly blow up everything at our place and this is enough for the planet .. only we at once, and all the rest in ten different years. having managed to curse himself a thousand times for which they brought the Russians to such a decision ...
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 26 November 2017 16: 05
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        Of course, let everyone die, and those who don’t stand side by side with graters of the USA and the Russian Federation ..
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 00: 49
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          Quote: karabas-barabas
          Of course, let everyone die, and those who don’t stand side by side with graters of the USA and the Russian Federation ..

          Switzerland introduced economic sanctions against the Russian Federation,
          http://www.sovety-turistam.ru/sanction.html
          if Switzerland has to die, I will only be glad ....
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 26 November 2017 22: 00
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      Quote: Nemesis
      The best answer would be military rail systems, with Caliber missiles equipped with nuclear warheads ...

      They wrote Russian to you in white - flying time !!! The best answer would be zircons in the mines of Russian nuclear submarine multipurpose missile carriers.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 27 November 2017 11: 03
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        And what about the USA? In fact, there are no zircons yet, and it is not known when they will be brought to mind ... And for strikes on US bases in the EU, calibers with nuclear warheads are quite suitable ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 27 November 2017 20: 48
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          Quote: Nemesis
          And what about the USA? Zircons, in fact, are not yet and it is not known when they will be brought to mind ...

          As long as there are calibers and granites, zircons will someday be brought.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 27 November 2017 20: 53
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            We are talking about ours today, and not about our distant future ... The Bulava rocket was brought to a decent state for a very long time and talking now about Zircons is to deal with air shock. It makes no sense now to talk about missiles not accepted for service.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 27 November 2017 22: 13
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              Quote: Nemesis
              We are talking about ours today, and not about our distant future ...

              So far, the Americans do not have an RSMD in service, so we are still talking about the future.
              Quote: Nemesis
              It makes no sense now to talk about missiles not accepted for service.

              Why then do you write anything in this thread?
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 28 November 2017 06: 07
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                We are only talking about the fact that you are off topic, from the word at all ... You either have Zircons that are not in service, then the United States supposedly does not have medium-range missiles, and Tomahawk cruise missiles deployed in missile defense systems have double destination, already at the borders of the Russian Federation ...
    5. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 27 November 2017 16: 58
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      Caliber on BRZHD ???
      Are you confusing anything? laughing
  2. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 24 November 2017 15: 55
    +2
    Once such a booze has gone, we must go into space. Alas....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2017 18: 41
      +2
      And better first.
      1. SCHWERIN
        SCHWERIN 24 November 2017 19: 29
        +2
        Yasnaya Polyana! And begin the colonization of the moon with the ensuing possibilities. They braked us in the 90s, they bred us like suckers. Why in the oceans can you place nuclear weapons and in space you can’t? And what is the Kyrgyz Republic in Poland for us less dangerous than from orbit? And space must be mastered. Sooner or later, all these military passions will settle down and it turns out that the States are ready for the colonization of the Moon, and again we will begin to cut tanks and planes. And in general, to live with wolves howl like a wolf (Russian is rich!)
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 November 2017 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: SCHWERIN
          Why in the oceans can you place nuclear weapons and in space you can’t?

          Thats exactly what I mean.
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 24 November 2017 15: 58
    +1
    The United States has always used its technological advantages against us. Just keep up and they will lag behind, will be engaged in China
  4. Asthma
    Asthma 24 November 2017 16: 04
    +2
    and again these theories about the Yellowstone problem. pff ...
  5. Gust
    Gust 24 November 2017 16: 10
    +4
    It’s a good idea about the long-range CRNB grouping. But there are a few BUT. The mentioned samples of the Kyrgyz Republic use one engine with other products, the capacity of the plant for their production is low. It is also necessary to provide for a radical decrease in physical fields and torch radiation of the launch accelerator.
  6. rudolff
    rudolff 24 November 2017 17: 24
    +4
    Sivkov no longer pour!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2017 19: 06
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      Sivkov no longer pour!

      Sivkov is in many ways of course a storyteller, but ...
      Such an ammunition, if used, can initiate catastrophic geophysical processes in the United States, in particular the eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.

      I agree with that. The situation in Yellowstone is not so calm, and multiple nuclear strikes on the territory of the United States will probably wake this super volcano and then do not say hello to everyone, including us. The eruption of such a super volcano will launch a chain of events in which other super volcanoes around the world wake up and not only they and not only on land. And then neither the shelter nor the bunker nor the Lord God himself will help us.
      And the one who claims that the threat and likelihood of a Yellowstone eruption in the event of a massive nuclear strike against the United States is minimal, is either a fool or a provocateur.
    2. horhe48
      horhe48 26 November 2017 09: 47
      0
      Well, what are you ... He has reasonable suggestions, for example: On the power of nuclear charges. It seems that since "calibers and X-101 (102) and similar missiles have already been developed, then we can talk about creating universal launch containers for them, which can be installed on absolutely any base: mobile land complexes, trucks, railway vehicles. platforms, bulk carriers, residential buildings with a removable roof, GVF aircraft, etc. ... It’s these containers for economic and military assistance that should be offered to the Cubans, Nicagaruans, Venezuelans and those who still don’t like and are afraid of the Yankees. And here’s the issue " calibers "of all modifications and universal launch containers must be put on stream. If there are several thousand, located not only around the perimeter of the country and at the North Pole, but also around the world (mainly in Latin America), then the states and their allies will have to slow down and negotiate.
  7. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 November 2017 17: 37
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    Oh, this Sivkov! Well, the warhead mattresses were stockpiled, so what? They are in 10 years bye-bye! They need to be re-equipped, and who will do it? During the Soviet era, special forces units monitored the situation of the Pershing and, in the event of a threat of their launch, were guaranteed to destroy them .. Now the border is far away, but new missiles will be dragged to Poland and the Baltic states. It will remain to finalize Iskander’s missiles for long range and hello to the mattresses! laughing tongue wassat
  8. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 24 November 2017 19: 08
    +1
    The INF Treaty is a betrayal of the USSR!
    With the system for preventing unauthorized use of nuclear weapons introduced in accordance with the START-1 Treaty, which excludes the possibility of launches without the receipt of a special cipher code to release missiles, the aggressor could count on no response.

    So put a couple of duty groups of Reliable Comrades in the Urals!
    And the answer will fly right to its destination: Fashington, New York, etc ....
    And “Pioneers” would fly in to Geyrope and bring three presents each, like the Timurovs! And make a tiny "information leak" ...
    And would someone let Pershing 2 out of the pen? That do not hold them for fools!
    And now it’s easier to hang a satellite with a "type of nuclear reactor" and with a program of descent from orbit to a given point in the United States.
  9. Old26
    Old26 24 November 2017 20: 10
    +1
    Previously, the abbreviation BSK stands for bullshit. It seems that soon the same combination will be deciphered Brad Sivkova Konstantin

    Quote: Nemesis
    The best answer would be military railway complexes with Caliber missiles equipped with nuclear warheads ... Such weapons will be a good incentive for the EU to think about its anti-Russian policy and its outcome

    So on the other side of the border to create such trains - just spit. So we will scratch our turnips, but where are they with them.

    Quote: dsk
    Missile Messagesbottom-based"- is it true or myth? hi

    Yes and no. Around 2012-2013, tests were conducted with a prototype of such a rocket. EMNIP her name is "SKIF". To do this, used the boat "Sarov". But the thing is that the dimensions of this rocket are about 6-8 meters long and the caliber is about 1 meter. But apart from inspections of loading equipment and possibly a mock-up of the launcher, there was nothing more. There was not even a test (in the sense of launch). Besides, no one knows what kind of rocket it is. Either a mine or a torpedo will be installed in it, which will hit enemy ships in a certain radius, or something else .. Most likely this is something akin to the myth of “Status-6” (and others with different numbers)

    Quote: rudolff
    Sivkov no longer pour!

    Do not pour at all, but it’s better not to write yet

    It is also impossible to increase the number of strategic-range ballistic missiles, this would mean withdrawal from the START treaties and we, who have a much smaller economic potential and destroyed nuclear warheads, while the Americans have stockpiled, we will not be able to participate in the race on equal terms. According to experts, the Yankees can increase the number of SNF due to the "return capacity" in 2 – 2,5 times within a year and a half.

    Why so little. Only 2-2,5 times. I would write once every 20. the paper will endure everything. The fact that the Americans destroy their BG with a "speed" of about 300-350 a year is not known to the expert Sivkov. But what we destroyed - knows for sure.
  10. Old26
    Old26 24 November 2017 21: 13
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    Quote: NEXUS

    Such an ammunition, if used, can initiate catastrophic geophysical processes in the United States, in particular the eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.

    I agree with that. The situation in Yellowstone is not so calm, and multiple nuclear strikes on the territory of the United States will probably wake this super volcano and then do not say hello to everyone, including us. The eruption of such a super volcano will launch a chain of events in which other super volcanoes around the world wake up and not only they and not only on land. And then neither the shelter nor the bunker nor the Lord God himself will help us.
    And the one who claims that the threat and likelihood of a Yellowstone eruption in the event of a massive nuclear strike against the United States is minimal, is either a fool or a provocateur.


    I'll start with your last sentence, Andrew. Most likely, this category should include most scientists, both in Russia and in the same America, who argue the opposite. And these are geologists, volcanologists. They probably don't know anything about it. Therefore, either fools or provocateurs

    The second one. Explain to me what is the sacred meaning of the strike on the Yellowstone volcano? Not only will a hail of nuclear strikes fall on the United States, will anyone really want to commit a collective act of suicide? What do you think, that a volcano will explode and the United States will be covered with a copper basin, and the rest of the world will be in chocolate? They didn’t ask themselves why, after mathematical calculations in the early 70s, work on geophysical weapons was practically curtailed in the USSR and the USA? Yes, simply because the most approximate estimates showed that it would not do with the Yellowstone volcano. It is possible to predict massive eruptions of volcanoes, including supervolcanoes. Everyone knows about the Yellowstone Caldera. Do many people know about the Karymshin caldera? I think not really. Yes, this is not 72x55 km, like Yellowstone? But the oval of 35 km long is also not a trifle to you. And what do you think that after this eruption will be with Kamchatka, and with Primorye. Tom will also get from the super volcano in Kyushu. Kamchatka will break down or not, the seaside will go under water or not - no one can say for sure. But the fact that people who survived the exchange of nuclear fires, especially along a volcano in the USA will die in a catastrophic cataclysm - this is elementary. In Europe, there is also the same "little thing." so that the south and west of Russia will also get it. Kazbek and Elbrus will awaken and no one knows how powerful this awakening will be.

    Now about the direct awakening of the American supervolcano. A huge caldera in area leads to a system that is comparable to the valves of a steam boiler. If the voltage is small - excess is "bleed". The thickness of the bridge to the magma lens under this caldera is about 16-20 km. Calculate what the depth of the funnel will be during an explosion of 100 mt of charge on the surface of this caldera to break through this arch and cause an eruption. You will be pleasantly surprised ... And even charges of 200-500 ct - even more so.

    And the planner should be complete, sorry “p.id.idurk”, so that instead of hitting targets, hit the volcano with an unwarranted result. And if it happens, it will thereby commit an act of mass suicide of all survivors

    Experts, however, believe that even the activity that is, will not lead to disaster in the near future ..
  11. yousha1980
    yousha1980 24 November 2017 21: 51
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    Why try to get their protected objects? After all, our military doctrine is defensive? If they attack first, it makes no sense to destroy their bunker. Is it not enough to evenly destroy industry and infrastructure, cities and residential areas (especially prestigious ones and not only in the USA)? Well, and each enemy’s military base in charge.
  12. master2
    master2 24 November 2017 23: 28
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    Does it just seem to me? Whatever article you open everywhere America attacks Russia or wants to attack - this has already turned into mass schizophrenia.
  13. Prutkov
    Prutkov 24 November 2017 23: 34
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    When planning an answer to the Americans on their provocations, it is necessary to take into account changes in the international situation. And the state of affairs is such that the movement to combat nuclear weapons is expanding in the world. This fall, the UN has already created an international organization to combat nuclear weapons. The relevant resolution was adopted. Yes. Neither the United States, nor Russia, nor the PRC signed this resolution. But there is no smoke without fire. So did the movement to destroy anti-personnel mines, to destroy chemical weapons. Over time, the turn comes to nuclear weapons. Of course, not a single nuclear power will refuse nuclear weapons. But the movement will have to go to meet it. Most likely, this will be a limitation of the power of nuclear charges. You have to be prepared for this. And in such conditions, starting to make a second mother to Kuzkin, as the author suggests, will be very unreasonable.
  14. chernig
    chernig 24 November 2017 23: 58
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    We will fight, everyone will get pindyuley "specific". As they say "do not wake the Russian Bear" !!!
  15. TOR2
    TOR2 25 November 2017 00: 09
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    In 1982, the United States adopted the Pershing-2 ballistic missile system. The plans provided for the deployment of a group of more than one hundred of these missiles and about 380 Tomahawk KLNB in ​​nuclear equipment at the borders of the ATS. To eliminate this threat, the Soviet leadership decided (with the full support of the military) to sign the INF Treaty.
    The support of the military, let’s say, was not complete. For some reason, the article does not mention the fact that research was actively conducted in the USSR to create a shield against this type of threat. This is mentioned in passing in one of the episodes of Shock Force. A group of scientists then did a great job of studying and creating plasma formations in the atmosphere. It was planned with the help of ground-based systems to create a plasma formation in front of a warhead. In a collision with a plasmoid at a Mach 3 speed, the Pershing warhead will burst from overload. In addition, with modern electronic warfare equipment, the final segment of the flight of the warhead is unlikely to allow scanning the underlying terrain. So the accuracy will float.
  16. prodi
    prodi 25 November 2017 07: 04
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    and why such an opportunity as a preemptive strike without warning at the places of deployment of American weapons in adjacent territories is not considered
  17. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 10: 40
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    Quote: TOR2
    In 1982, the United States adopted the Pershing-2 ballistic missile system. The plans provided for the deployment of a group of more than one hundred of these missiles and about 380 Tomahawk KLNB in ​​nuclear equipment at the borders of the ATS. To eliminate this threat, the Soviet leadership decided (with the full support of the military) to sign the INF Treaty.
    The support of the military, let’s say, was not complete. For some reason, the article does not mention the fact that research was actively conducted in the USSR to create a shield against this type of threat. This is mentioned in passing in one of the episodes of Shock Force. A group of scientists then did a great job of studying and creating plasma formations in the atmosphere. It was planned with the help of ground-based systems to create a plasma formation in front of a warhead. In a collision with a plasmoid at a Mach 3 speed, the Pershing warhead will burst from overload. In addition, with modern electronic warfare equipment, the final segment of the flight of the warhead is unlikely to allow scanning the underlying terrain. So the accuracy will float.

    What you say is the so-called. project TRUST It was voiced in the context of the fight against ICBM warheads, and not the BMD. Remember, a ship in the ocean with emitters (a famous picture illustrating this project). In the context of the struggle against the Pershing, there were two directions. One is the development of radar monitoring systems for launches, as when using conventional locators, the Pershinges very quickly left the radar control zone and the second direction was the deployment of new missiles in the territory of the Warsaw Pact countries that could reach the positioned deployment areas of the Pershing and Griffon faster than the Pioneers from their position areas. These are plans to deploy the Speed ​​complex

    EW is certainly good, but you should not make it a panacea for everything. In order to "Cover" targets, it will be necessary to deploy so many electronic warfare systems that it is difficult to calculate at all. And in addition to affecting the equipment of enemy missiles, it will also affect its own products. As for the fact that scanning will be impossible. Yes, if they use the same system as in Pershing. But I think that no one should doubt that our "sworn friends" will not restore the same system of "Pershing" that they had before. Now it will no longer be a missile with a range of 1800 km, but a more "long-range" one and with a different guidance system for sure.
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 25 November 2017 15: 45
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      The Speed ​​kit was supposed to be proactive, but what to do with missiles launched. Just proposed to adapt the achievements of the project "Trust".
      This fragment casually mentions the use of the “Trust” developments against other types of missiles and even aircraft. Scroll the video at 33:40. With reference to time, the link is reset.
  18. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 10: 42
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    Quote: prodi
    and why such an opportunity as a preemptive strike without warning at the places of deployment of American weapons in adjacent territories is not considered

    Do you think that is not considered? The only question is that there are several such bases with nuclear weapons in Europe. And to deliver a preemptive strike for how much? And what? Of course, it is possible to concentrate the air force grouping, but this will not go unnoticed by the enemy. All this is very unsteady and not predictable. Although certainly as an option - is considered
    1. prodi
      prodi 25 November 2017 12: 45
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      To accumulate "calibers", a blow, mainly, at new bases with nuclear weapons and missile defense. There’s nothing to fear, there will be a lot - only stink
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 26 November 2017 17: 53
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        The Mediterranean group of the US Navy has only one salvo, about 900 axes, this is not counting other carriers and NATO allies. How much is the Russian military-industrial complex capable of sawing off in the year of the Kyrgyz Republic, even in the know?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 26 November 2017 22: 06
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          Quote: karabas-barabas
          The U.S. Navy’s Mediterranean faction has only one salvo, about 900 axes

          900 axes are thirty destroyers or in proportion to other carriers, you want to say that in the Mediterranean Sea half of the American fleet?
          In addition, axes are turtles among missiles, while they reach the craters from blows with strategic weapons they have time to cool down.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 27 November 2017 02: 29
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            Quote: Setrac
            900 axes are thirty destroyers or in proportion to other carriers


            Why is it 30 ?? Each destroyer under 100 cells under the CR. This is from 10, - up to 12-15 approximately. Recently, only one destroyer under 60 spat out at the Assad air base.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 27 November 2017 20: 52
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              Quote: karabas-barabas
              Why is it 30 ?? Each destroyer under 100 cells under the CR. This is from 10, - up to 12-15 approximately. Recently, only one destroyer under 60 spat out at the Assad air base.

              From 8 to 56 Tomahawk missiles, it doesn’t matter.
  19. Operator
    Operator 25 November 2017 11: 28
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    As always "bullshit":
    - Pershing with a range of 1800 km could not reach the Urals (where the Strategic Missile Forces command posts were located), and the Tomahawks (especially their mass launch) were perfectly detected by the MiG-29, Su-27 and MiG-31 airborne radars (which were like dirt) ;
    - 49000 USSR nuclear weapons were guaranteed to be dusted not only by the USA, Europe, Japan and South Korea, but also by China.

    The main reason for signing the INF Treaty was the betrayal of the leadership of the USSR, which Sivkov strongly wants to gloss over.

    Currently, we urgently need medium-range ballistic missiles of the Pioneer type (5500 km, multiply-charged homing missiles) for defense in all azimuths - America, Europe, Asia.
    The Russian stockpile of 900 tons of plutonium allows the deployment of 150000 megaton-class nuclear charges.
  20. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 14: 43
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    Quote: Operator
    As always "bullshit":

    I agree with you. I won’t be surprised if soon the reduction of BSK begins to translate Brad Sivkova Konstantin instead bullshit

    Quote: Operator
    - Pershing with a range of 1800 km could not reach the Urals (where the Strategic Missile Forces reserve command posts were located)

    "Pershing" not only did not reach the Urals, but also did not reach Moscow ..

    Quote: Operator
    and the Tomahawks (especially their mass launch) were perfectly detected by the airborne radar MiG-29, Su-27 and MiG-31 (which were like dirt).

    Perhaps they were detected, but not by all. The first version of the MIG-29 could detect a target of the "Fighter" type against the background of the earth at a range of about 200 meters. In addition, in 1985 only 2 regiments were brought to operational readiness. In Kubinka and in Ivano-Frankivsk. In the beginning, the first MIG-29s began to arrive at the GSVG.

    Further. SU-27 began to operate in late 1984. On June 22, 1985, the first regiment became on combat duty. By 1990, the number of aircraft in the USSR Air Force reached 138 in the European part and 229 in the air defense. But at the time of 1987 there were aircraft, but not in massive numbers. Moreover, the function of air defense aircraft was to intercept the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic and strategic bombers in general, but not the Kyrgyz Republic themselves, which were reaching the target at altitudes of 30-50 meters. Well, MIG-31 - he generally began to arrive at the end of 84 and went mainly to the East. So no matter how you like them there was no dirt. Then basically there were MIG-23 type machines of various modifications, Mig-21 of the latest modifications and Su-15 and TU-128 in air defense. SU-15

    Quote: Operator
    - 49000 nuclear weapons of the USSR were guaranteed to dust not only the United States, Europe, Japan and South Korea, but also China ..

    49 thousand charges in the arsenal of the USSR has never been. The maximum that was in service is 40723 charges

    Quote: Operator
    The main reason for signing the INF Treaty was the betrayal of the leadership of the USSR, which Sivkov strongly wants to gloss over ..

    The treaty on the elimination of these weapons in Europe itself was not the worst and was beneficial. But the implementation of this agreement, the role in the signing of this agreement of such figures as Gorbachev, Shevardnadze plus our love to do everything as much as possible and led to the fact that we were not in the most favorable situation after the signing of this agreement

    Quote: Operator
    At present, we urgently need medium-range ballistic missiles of the Pioneer type (5500 km, multiple-charge homing missiles) for defense in all azimuths - America, Europe, Asia ..

    The Pioneer never had a range of 5500 km. The urgent need to have such missiles against everyone - Europe, Asia and especially America (you still can’t understand that the one who made the decision not to deploy the Pioneers in Chukotka was nevertheless a smart man) will lead to the fact that Now there are medium-range missiles against us (mainly Chinese and Iranian missiles) - we will get the number of missiles several times larger than we can deploy

    Quote: Operator
    The Russian stockpile of 900 tons of plutonium allows the deployment of 150000 megaton-class nuclear charges.

    We have NEVER had 900 tons of plutonium reserves. The maximum that we had was 140-162 tons of weapons-grade and about 65 tons of commercial plutonium (fuel and reactor)
  21. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 15: 17
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    Quote: prodi
    To accumulate "calibers", a blow, mainly, at new bases with nuclear weapons and missile defense. There’s nothing to fear, there will be a lot - only stink

    And what's the point of hitting these bases with Caliber? Here, for example, two bases - one in Italy, the other in Germany. The distance to Germany, if you shoot through NATO countries, is about 2000 km. That is, she will go to the goal for example 2,5-3 hours. What, there will be no way to bring down a subsonic missile. Even if they will go a dozen or two. In Italy, will you shoot caliber from SPM from boats (4-6 pieces) or from Buyanov-M - as many as 8 pieces ???
    1. prodi
      prodi 25 November 2017 16: 40
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      let them live in Italy and Germany. Till. I meant the near borders. As for them, the need to strike at them balances, somewhere from “extremely desirable” to “absolutely necessary”. For the longer they stay there, the more legitimized
      And why are we talking only about calibers? why about one or two dozen, and not about hundreds?
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 26 November 2017 18: 05
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        The number of Kyrgyz Republic’s reserves exceeds orders of magnitude by Russian reserves. In addition to the KR, NATO is armed with several thousand 4th-generation multipurpose aircraft that can throw planning bombs, which are orders of magnitude cheaper than any KR, but are not inferior in terms of accuracy and action to these KRs. I’m silent about the NATO missile defense complex. It should be borne in mind that there will be a counteraction to such an attack, which at times can exceed the Russian strike. In my opinion, the discussion of attacks on Europe and the USA with nuclear weapons (then Japan and South Korea and BV with the Arab countries will have to bomb) is a chatter without taking into account the possibilities and consequences, and leads away from a really important discussion about the modernization of conventional weapons, about sufficient -ve modern aircraft to maintain control of the sky, about a common information system, up to modern 4th generation ATGMs and 30mm programmable caliber shells.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 26 November 2017 22: 09
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          Quote: karabas-barabas
          In addition to the Kyrgyz Republic, NATO is armed with several thousand 4th generation multipurpose aircraft

          This is theoretically, practically the infrastructure capabilities are not rubber and we will not see all the planes at our borders at once.
  22. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 18: 25
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    Quote: prodi
    let them live in Italy and Germany. Till. I meant the near borders. As for them, the need to strike at them balances, somewhere from “extremely desirable” to “absolutely necessary”. For the longer they stay there, the more legitimized
    And why are we talking only about calibers? why about one or two dozen, and not about hundreds?

    And there are bases with nuclear weapons, except for the above. Well, there is still in Turkey.
    The need to strike at them does not balance anything. If necessary and when necessary, then they will be struck at them, and not on the verge of “extremely desirable” to “absolutely necessary”. What is the need for a strike (extremely desirable or absolutely necessary) against the same base in Devesela? What, does she threaten our strategic missile forces? Or the territory of Russia?
    The base in Romania from its very beginning there is absolutely legitimate. And there is nothing to ligitize.
    And why are we talking only about "Caliber"? So you yourself wrote
    Quote: prodi
    To accumulate "calibers", a blow, mainly, at new bases with nuclear weapons and missile defense. There’s nothing to fear, there will be a lot - only stink

    About hundreds of "Caliber"? And why are you going to launch them? Even now, the presence of 3M14 missiles on land is a direct violation of the Treaty. And on existing ships, the number is limited to 4-8. Yes, and the media "Caliber" can be counted on the fingers

    Quote: TOR2
    The Speed ​​kit was supposed to be proactive, but what to do with missiles launched. Just proposed to adapt the achievements of the project "Trust".
    This fragment casually mentions the use of the “Trust” developments against other types of missiles and even aircraft. Scroll the video at 33:40. With reference to time, the link is reset.

    There was simply no production as such under the project. There was a concept and nothing more. As now there is the concept of a quick global strike, but in essence this concept has no tools.
    1. prodi
      prodi 25 November 2017 19: 45
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      for now, we can talk about Poland and Romania, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are next in turn. (It would be better, of course, the Caucasus, but it behaves more sane). All of them are the most acceptable goals in all hands, from all points of view.
  23. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2017 13: 41
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    Quote: prodi
    for now, we can talk about Poland and Romania, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are next in turn. (It would be better, of course, the Caucasus, but it behaves more sane). All of them are the most acceptable goals in all hands, from all points of view.

    Why deploy missile defense bases in Bulgaria or the Czech Republic? Meaning? This is not such a cheap thing, these bases. What is the point of placing these bases in these countries?
  24. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2017 22: 10
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    Quote: max702
    It was estimated that after the successful hit of ONE “Satan” only, 80% of the US industrial potential will be destroyed.

    Such calculations are bullshit. Such calculations were made either by the amateur, or by the end of the dora. The radius of complete destruction of 750 kt by the Voivode’s warhead is 2,5 km, of severe destruction - 6,5 km, light damage - 10 km. That is, to the international airport in Detroit. And 10 charges with such zones of destruction will destroy 80% of the potential ???? Carrying out such calculations was really not himself

    Quote: max702
    just imagine that 10 kiloton fell into the dam of the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station .. Imagine? Correctly, everything will be washed off into the arctic ocean, and plus all of Siberia was left without light, and accordingly the railway and all logistics got up .. and this is only one rocket with 10 Kt .. and much more than a hundred charges will drop ..

    No, I didn’t. Americans have no such charges - 10 ct. The radius of the continuous defeat is 600 meters. Will it fall into platinum or miss?
    In Siberia, there is only one station - the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station. Are power lines of a single electrical system already sold or drunk on metal? And is every meter of railway in Siberia already electrified? Diesel locomotives also cut into metal?
    The United States currently has around 1500 charges. Do you want to spend almost 10% on one of your regions? But what about the others? And your examples with 10 ct warheads sorry do not roll.

    Quote: max702
    and what will happen if we admit to the same Zaporizhzhya NPP? At Chernobyl, the lid of ONE reactor took away enough for everyone.

    I don’t know how to talk to you if you cannot distinguish between a thermal explosion and the destruction of a reactor explosion cover with a nuclear explosion. Even a 10 kt nuclear explosion gives a fiery flash with a diameter of 2 hundred meters. And this is a zone with a temperature of millions of degrees. What will be left of the reactor, or rather, from its filling would they even be inside the fiery sphere 10 kt explosion?

    Quote: max702
    and who will solve these problems after a massive nuclear attack? stupidly who will extinguish everything to extinguish? there are creeping reactors, hydroelectric dam dams are destroyed, chemical plants are burning, there is no light or heat, the top of both civilian and military authorities is destroyed, global human losses ..

    Theoretically - the Ministry of Emergencies and the GO troops. In reality, in each city, the issues will be resolved individually, depending on what losses are among specialized fire departments and engineering troops (if they are deployed in a given locality), depending on losses in medical facilities. After the first shock, members of freelance structures of the Ministry of Emergencies in enterprises can be mobilized. But they will work so that the losses do not become even greater as a result of epidemics.

    Quote: max702
    And what? who won in this case? what will the winner get? .

    But nothing. There will be no winners. Only the confidence that not only your country died, but also those who struck you. But it is precisely the fear of this cataclysm that slows down everyone. Nobody wants to destroy the enemy and perish at the same time.

    Quote: max702
    Civilization will at least roll back to the Middle Ages, and even to stone .. and environmental issues have not been considered at all, and political ones to them, someone thinks they hit and that’s all?

    Well, the Stone Age does not slide. This is about 30 years ago, when each side had 30-40 thousand charges, one could talk about rolling into the Stone Age. Now even the slide into the Middle Ages will not take place. There will be islands of civilization in every country. Yes, computers will not work, production will become, but knowledge will remain for the subsequent rise.

    Quote: max702
    rs: by the way, we can generally not launch rockets anywhere, we’ll stupidly blow up everything at our place and this is enough for the planet .. only we at once, and all the rest in ten different years. having managed to curse himself a thousand times for which they brought the Russians to such a decision ...

    Is not a fact
  25. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2017 22: 37
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    Quote: Old26
    That is, to the international airport in Detroit

    When Hit Detroit
  26. askme
    askme 27 November 2017 15: 45
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    Yes already answered. Moscow missile defense A-235 with new missile defense is also part of the answer. Missile defense - including nuclear warheads, and a speed of more than 5 km / s. This is for ground targets a range of more than 2500 km. Enough for everyone. And PUs are also mobile ...