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Bondarev spoke about the volume of the new state program

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The volume of the new state armament program (LG) will be 19 trillion rubles, it will allow to realize the most ambitious technical and technological plans, said on Tuesday the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev.


The new state armaments program is almost ready, completion is in the final stages. Financing options, I recall, for a long time been the subject of heated debate. Now the agreed amount is 19 trillion. And if we take not the absolute figures, but the average annual value, the current program turns out to be financially comparable with the previous one.
said the senator.

Bondarev spoke about the volume of the new state program


He clarified that in some areas of work in the new HPO prolonged to 2027 year.

According to the senator, on Monday at a meeting in Sochi, Russian President Vladimir Putin clearly identified two fundamental principles that should be laid down in the new state armaments program. On the one hand, technological improvement, innovative breakthroughs, the creation of new types of weapons and military equipment, and on the other, serial, uninterrupted production and widespread introduction, putting into service of already well-established machines, tools and shells, the senator listed.

At the same time, noted Bondarev, without maximum diversification of production with the release on a sufficient industrial scale of all the necessary units, "we cannot ensure the staffing and, most importantly, the independence of our Armed Forces."

Bondarev added that the priority of the new stage in the development of Russian weapons will be "high-precision weapon and the development of strategic nuclear forces. "

It is necessary that our weapons, advanced military and special equipment ... take into account possible changes in the strategy and tactics of warfare in the future.
- added the senator.

According to the head of the committee, the Russian defense industry is able to create the best weapons in the world. In its arsenal - unique strategic bombers Tu-160, OTRK with powerful ballistic and cruise missiles - the Iskander family, Tanks "Armata" and so on.

In addition, the press service of Bondarev mentioned promising intercontinental ballistic missiles "Sarmat", bottom-base missiles "Skif", hypersonic missile "Zircon", without specifying whether these samples have already been adopted or not.
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  1. Kleber
    Kleber 21 November 2017 18: 23 New
    +5
    In addition, the press service of Bondarev mentioned promising intercontinental ballistic missiles "Sarmat", bottom-base missiles "Skif", hypersonic missile "Zircon", without specifying whether these samples have already been adopted or not.


    Today afternoon there was information that Zircon has passed all the checks and is ready for mass production.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 21 November 2017 18: 25 New
      10
      People are more or less aware of the progress of the Sarmat and Zircon projects, but Scyth has not been mentioned for several years ... Maybe for the better - there will be a surprise for someone
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      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 21 November 2017 18: 43 New
        +9
        Someone asked about Skif, here is a bit of information. hi
        With the advent of Shoigu to the Ministry of Defense, we are very actively promoting the achievements of the military-industrial complex.
        But, pay attention - No information on the "Scythian", starting in 2013. All. Complete silence. This says only one thing - the development is so unique that it is not worth talking about it ahead of time. Let's see. Non-standard approaches of domestic military developments have long turned into a kind of “visiting card” of Russian gunsmiths. A lot of circumstances give rise to such sophistication, among which the main thing is the different weight categories of Russia and a potential adversary. The funds allocated by Russia for defense are ten times less than those of the United States. Obviously, if you can’t take it with quantity, then you need to win with quality. Including the quality of ideas, the very “asymmetric answers” ​​that Vladimir Putin first mentioned in 2007 in response to the development of the American missile defense system. In the White Sea, factory trials of the latest Skif ballistic missile capable of being in standby at the sea and ocean bottom and at the right time at the command to shoot and hit ground and sea targets. As Izvestia was told in the military department, the rocket was developed jointly by the Rubin Central Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) and the Academician State Missile Center Makeeva (Miass) commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. The official reasons for creating this missile are not called. The editor of the website MilitaryRussia Dmitry Kornev notes that the laying of such missiles in several sections of the bottom will allow you to hit the strategic goals of the enemy at the right time without involving submarines.
        Source of May 21, 2013: http://izvestia.ru/news/550616
        Being motionless at the bottom, the Skif rocket, in accordance with an external command, will be able to hit the target at the right time. At the same time, it is important that the enemy does not spot the boat that sets the Scythians to the bottom. Otherwise, the bottom weapon can be detected and neutralized. During the tests, the Sarov submarine will lower the rocket to the bottom. A torpedo device of increased diameter (about 1 m) and ballast tanks will be installed in its bow. They compensate for the weight of the dropped rocket and help the boat maintain stability.
        Source of May 21, 2013: http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/34798-skif-g
        otov-k-zavodskim-ispytanijam.html
        Russia is testing a new Skif ballistic missile. It allows launching directly from the bottom without the use of submarines. The Skif bottom ballistic missile was developed by order of the Ministry of Defense at the Rubin Design Bureau and at the Russian State Rocket Center. Academic Makeev. The missile can be located on the seabed waiting for the enemy as long as necessary. To launch it does not require a submarine. Being motionless at the bottom, the Skif rocket will, upon command, be able to hit the target at the right time.
        Source October 21, 2013: http://smartnews.ru/articles/12248.html
        Now Makeev’s missile center in Miass, together with the Rubin design bureau, continues to work on the creation and improvement of another missile. The Skif ballistic missile is fundamentally different from traditional missile systems, since it is launched without the participation of an atomic submarine. The bottom rocket can be installed directly under water - at the bottom of the sea or ocean, and remain in standby mode until the moment of launch.
        The developers note that the new complex can be used to destroy not only sea, but also ground targets.
        So far, Skif bottom rockets are in the testing phase. After the preliminary factory tests are completed, the rocket will be sent to state tests. Then, if all the checks were successful, the new bottom rocket will go into service with the Navy.
        Source April 4, 2014: http://www.arms.ru/novosti/na-voruzhenie-vmf-rf-p
        ostupila-novaja-raketa.htm
        Information on this product is very small .....
        Missile or torpedo or combined boat-based system using shells equipped with supposedly rocket engines. The main design bureau on the subject of the Skif R&D Center is the Rubin Central Design Bureau (St. Petersburg), the “product” developer is Makeeva State Mall (Miass). The initial work on the research project "Spilit" was successfully carried out by department No. 118 of Makeeva State Research Center in conjunction with the Rubin Design Bureau of Underwater Shipbuilding in 1988-1990. After the competition was held in the early 1990s, the GRTs began the full-scale development of the Skif R&D commissioned by the Russian Ministry of Defense. At the end of the 1990s, at the proposal of the Rubin Central Design Bureau, the GRC was to become the parent organization for the creation of the Skif product and complex, but this proposal was not approved and the Rubin Central Design Bureau was probably the head design bureau.
        The chief designer of the direction in the Makeeva shopping center is A.P. Shalnev. The issuance of design documentation began in 2005 (and was completed, probably in 2008). Probably at the same time, the production of prototypes on the subject of "Scythian" began. In 2007-2009 at Makeev Center, tests of units and assemblies on the subject of OCD on a vacuum-dynamic bench are carried out. In 2008, tests were carried out on the strength of the nodes, tests in a simulating hydrodynamic load installation and functional tests.
        The first successful tests on the Skif design and experimental work were carried out by the launch of the product in October 2008. Projectiles are tested with the B-90 Sarov test submarine pr.20120 with the help of the Zvezdochka rescue vessel pr.20180 with a special barge of the floating test complex pr 20210 (PIC). It is also probably possible to use for testing a projectile and PIK with the rescue ship Zvezdochka without involving the B-90 Sarov submarine.
        Purpose of the product created in the framework of the ROC "Skiff":
        - According to the version, voiced by Izvestia, a rocket is being developed, being unloaded under water from a submarine and the team on standby at the start at the bottom of the sea.
        - One of the versions is the development of a transport and launch container to ensure the launch of cruise and / or ballistic missiles from a great depth.
        - One of the first versions is an underwater projectile with a rocket engine, passing some way to the target under water with the subsequent launch of a medium-range cruise missile (500-2000 km) along a ground target.
        - December 26.12.2014, 2016 The media published information about tests on the Sarov submarine of a new generation of robotic weapons, which are intended, inter alia, to destroy the enemy’s AOG. The development of funds will be completed by XNUMX (source, source).
        Many other options for the possible purpose of the product are being discussed - there are currently no reliable versions.
      3. Kleber
        Kleber 21 November 2017 18: 49 New
        +1
        MOSCOW, November 21. / TASS /. Zircon hypersonic missiles and Skif bottom-based missiles are part of the Arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces, the ex-commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the head of the Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev, told reporters today.
        "Today we have in our arsenal unique strategic bombers (Tu-160), OTRK [operational tactical missile systems] with powerful ballistic and cruise missiles (Iskander family), Sarmat missile system, air defense systems (S-400), intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear missile cruisers with powerful anti-ship missiles (Zircon hypersonic missiles), Skif bottom-based missiles, he said.

        More on TASS:
        http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4746647


        As you wish, understand ....
        1. nikolaev
          nikolaev 21 November 2017 22: 44 New
          +3
          It is obvious that both Zircon and Skiff have long been (and lie) in service, otherwise there would have been no chatter. There could be a chatter if this weapon were not even mentioned, but there is no doubt that these weapons were developed and tested. Then the noise rises when the enemy is already hopelessly behind (which means that he is in arms!) And no internal and external sabotage is already able to interfere. In this case, the noise rises to panic the hopelessly lagging opponent and force him to make the necessary decisions. But the characteristics are given deliberately underestimated (as with Gauges), while the application does not cause even greater panic.
          1. nikolaev
            nikolaev 21 November 2017 22: 52 New
            +1
            A similar situation with ekranoplans. This talk, which is already on this topic, what does it mean? - Yes, they are developing, they are developing, and then it suddenly turns out that several dozen monsters already exist (for example, by the New Year) and the entire US carrier fleet is a filkin letter.
          2. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 22 November 2017 14: 20 New
            0
            Maybe so it is .... there were conversations among people who live beyond the Urals, they say they saw a huge column of strange tanks in appearance resembling a T-14 Armata
    2. venik
      venik 21 November 2017 18: 31 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      Today afternoon there was information that Zircon has passed all the checks and is ready for mass production.

      =======================
      We are waiting, sir !!! .But the fact that "готов"- doubt does not cause!!!
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 21 November 2017 18: 38 New
      +1
      It is interesting whether in the new program they pay attention to the barrel artillery? And then in the previous year, the MLRS seems to have been updated, now I would have to pull up the barrel. All the same, the god of war is like no other. bully
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 November 2017 18: 41 New
        +4
        "The newest Skif ballistic missile, developed jointly by the Rubin Central Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) and the Academician Makeev (Miass) State Missile Center, commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. The new product will be able to be on standby at the sea and ocean bottom to at the right time at the command to enter an active state, launch automatically and hit land or sea targets. Commentators pointed to the obvious benefit of such a concept - laying such missiles in several sections of the bottom will allow you to hit the enemy’s strategic goals at the right time without involving submarines. "
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 21 November 2017 19: 23 New
          +1
          The new product will be able to be in standby mode on the seabed and ocean floor, so that at the right moment, by command, go into an active state, launch automatically and hit ground or sea targets.

          It seems to me that they just should not be placed in the ocean, they can steal. But in some kind of inland sea, such as the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the White Sea or in some kind of Arctic Gulf, you can dig up such a miracle of technology am .
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 21 November 2017 21: 18 New
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            Quote: RASKAT
            It seems to me that they just should not be placed in the ocean, they can steal. But in some kind of inland sea, such as the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the White Sea or in some kind of Arctic Gulf, you can dig up such a miracle of technology am .

            But you do not mind that these seas, in fact, mostly freeze in winter))
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 November 2017 19: 28 New
          +1
          ICBM - at the bottom without protection and the possibility of maintenance, it will either be brought in with silt, or some rubbish will damage it and there is a chance that the barge or ship will sink and lie directly on this missile.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 21 November 2017 18: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: RASKAT
        All the same, the god of war is like no other.
        Will the Tsar Cannon be delivered to the troops from the Kremlin, arranged? fellow And what is wrong with the receiver? It seems everything is equal. Moreover, recent conflicts in the Donbass and Syria have shown its effectiveness, preserved in modern conditions. There is now even artillery of high power - "Tulips" with "Peonies" - are being modernized. What can I say about battlefield artillery ..
        By the way, although he was late, but everyone involved in the RV&A, happy holiday! soldier
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 21 November 2017 19: 19 New
          0
          I think I need to work on range and accuracy, speed of deployment, accuracy of target designation.
    4. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 22 November 2017 14: 10 New
      0
      Let's hope that the way it is!
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 November 2017 18: 26 New
    +3
    Now Kudrin (not remembering the demon in human form by night) will put pressure, the liberna will howl, and the financing of the Moscow Region will be cut off, as has already happened more than once. So, do not be denied. ...
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 21 November 2017 18: 34 New
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      Quote: Herkulesich
      Now Kudrin (not remembering the demon in human form by night) will put pressure, the liberna will howl, and the financing of the Moscow Region will be cut off, as has already happened more than once. So, do not be denied.

      There is a way, to curl kudrin with libernoy.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 21 November 2017 18: 36 New
        +7
        A similar thought visited good
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 21 November 2017 19: 08 New
          +5
          Not you alone. good
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 21 November 2017 19: 22 New
          +3
          Volodya, hello! hi I share the thirst for blood and suggest nabiullina to add. wink
      2. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 22 November 2017 14: 24 New
        0
        It is high time.
    2. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 21 November 2017 18: 35 New
      0
      So they kind of butted. 11 trillion or something like that the Ministry of Finance wanted to allocate (I do not remember exactly), in general, they bargained in the middle.
      I thought it would be 17-18, 19 nothing else)
  3. 210ox
    210ox 21 November 2017 18: 26 New
    +2
    What about the construction of the fleet?
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 21 November 2017 18: 30 New
      +1
      They are designing something, modernizing it, building it, and putting it into the water.
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 21 November 2017 18: 48 New
        12
        Someone asks smart questions, and something bazaar thinking that he has cut ...
        Quote: Kleber
        They are designing something, modernizing it, building it, and putting it into the water.

  4. Bronevick
    Bronevick 21 November 2017 18: 29 New
    +1
    Bottom Rocket "Scythian". Details, please...
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 21 November 2017 19: 22 New
      0
      Here from Wikipedia
      Skif is a promising bottom-based ballistic missile. It is being developed by the Rubin Design Bureau and the Academician Makeev State Missile Center, commissioned by the Ministry of Defense. The Skif deep-sea ballistic missile is able to standby on the sea or ocean floor until a launch command is received. [1]
      Development [edit | edit wiki text]
      Work on the creation of a new rocket began in the early 1990s. At the beginning of 2013, the Rubin design bureau in St. Petersburg and Makeev’s Miass State Rocket Center completed the creation of the Skif ballistic missile, which can standby for a long time on the seabed or ocean floor and, on command, hit ground and sea targets. [2]
      Trials [edit | edit wiki text]
      The tests took place at the end of June 2013.
  5. Anyone
    Anyone 21 November 2017 18: 29 New
    +2
    Something seems to me that we are again stepping on the rake of an arms race. That's just with our thieving and largely incompetent authorities, the oligarchic economic regime and the habit of storing funds in banks with a potential enemy, the denouement will come much faster than under the USSR.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 21 November 2017 18: 42 New
      +6
      the denouement will come much faster than under the USSR.


      You can pre-print the Wehrmacht leaflet and go give up using it as a pass. they say they will not offend in captivity and you will eat better than with the bloody regime that holds its funds in foreign banks

      the scheme worked out in the period of 2MB

      Something seems to me that we are again stepping on the rake of an arms race.


      and you’ll tell this story in Iraq, Syria, Libya and the former Yugoslavia, Ukraine or Georgia. Well, Eunu is better not to tell, he will not listen.
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        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 21 November 2017 19: 17 New
          +1
          Yes, I get money for writing to you. Issued in the Kremlin
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    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 21 November 2017 20: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Anyone
      Something seems to me that we are again stepping on the rake of an arms race. That's just with our thieving and largely incompetent authorities, the oligarchic economic regime and the habit of storing funds in banks with a potential enemy, the denouement will come much faster than under the USSR.

      what what urgently need you, a competent, to elect the power !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 21 November 2017 21: 04 New
        +1
        And what, do you think, in Russia there are only two options left: either thieves in power, or your humble servant? You are a pessimist, however))
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 21 November 2017 21: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Anyone
          And what, do you think, in Russia there are only two options left: either thieves in power, or your humble servant? You are a pessimist, however))

          what what what what options are there ... current you, eHspert of universal scale !! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 21 November 2017 23: 52 New
            +1
            Will you still be discussing my person or will you be able to write something on the topic? )))
        2. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 21 November 2017 21: 36 New
          +1
          Lino, I believe that even if "our humble servant" falls into power, it will also be a "thief in power." It’s only like that .... only the backsides are visible from below wink
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 21 November 2017 23: 54 New
            +1
            Judge by yourself? Or just a professional defender of thieves and crooks? )))
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 22 November 2017 10: 36 New
              +1
              and you are a professional discussion of swindlers on the forums? digital military for soldering at 0,000001 bitcoin?

              or what interest you discuss crooks? can you work in organs? yes I think vryatli. Just another non-policeman, maybe even from abroad. Who knows you worthless

              in general, we already have these on the whole circus number typed here. It’s necessary to somehow organize you, so that at least some benefit would be, you still do not knit crooks

              1. Anyone
                Anyone 22 November 2017 10: 58 New
                0
                Quote: c-Petrov
                ... or what interest are you discussing crooks?

                I believe that to you, my dear, it is completely incomprehensible how this can be discussed on the forum "without interest"))
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 22 November 2017 11: 28 New
                  0
                  you explain to me, verbiage, here you are discussing topics of theft on the forum (MILITARY) with the same "anti-corruption fighters" so what? Maybe you thought that there is a forum of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? YES I think you’re so short-sighted. Here it is written in capital letters - Military Review

                  So you caught at least one crook? Maybe you laid at least one bribe taker?

                  Or are you just shaking your tongue off-topic? What is your interest in this? Material? Or are you just offended by the mind?

                  Or are you a thief? And are you interested in the topic of theft? Maybe you envy those who steal?

                  What is your motivation to write about theft?

                  In general, yes. it's time to cook a circus number. you will be in your element.
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 21 November 2017 18: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    People are more or less aware of the progress of the Sarmat and Zircon projects, but Scyth has not been mentioned for several years ... Maybe for the better - there will be a surprise for someone

    Scythians are already placed around the perimeter of American Europe and while they are sleeping! Only you to anyone ... no, no!
  7. Dezinto
    Dezinto 21 November 2017 18: 36 New
    +2
    While the institutes work like this ....... even I have some kind of skepticism.

    1. Anyone
      Anyone 21 November 2017 18: 52 New
      +5
      He studied at the Moscow Aviation Institute at the 2nd faculty (Aircraft Engines). Now the son is studying at the Moscow Aviation Institute. The difference between the "mine" MAI, and what is there today I observe directly. There is nothing good there today. Everything is also falling apart, like everywhere else in the country. If that works, then do not go to a fortuneteller, or it was done in the USSR, or developed in the USSR))
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 21 November 2017 18: 54 New
        +3
        If that works, then do not go to a fortuneteller, or it was done in the USSR, or developed in the USSR


        Here I am about the same, all this is sad. sad

        I respect engineers very much, I respect technors very much and they are just the engines of the country, and they are strangled by managers to make them ..., they invent some programs there, optimize them, but in the end we have what we have ....

        What are you optimizing ?, what are you retraining? He did not hold anything heavier than his bolt in his hands .... and he came to the factory to supervise !!!!! damn give people money, equip the plant, and you will build something that never dreamed of !!! But apparently this is not the task of leadership ...... sad

        Just the cry of the soul.
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 21 November 2017 19: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: DEZINTO
          Here I am about the same, all this is sad

          This is an objective process, probably. We inherited from the USSR economy, which has become, so to speak, non-core assets for our new government. Accordingly, the attitude to this economy: everything is either abandoned, or closed, or distributed ... stolen, in short. And now, from the remaining wreckage, they are again trying to make competitive defense industry, army and navy. But this requires a will first of all. But the will of our leadership is not observed. Some ambitions. And on ambitions it’s far to go ...
          1. Dezinto
            Dezinto 21 November 2017 19: 45 New
            0
            This is an objective process, probably

            Nnu yes hmm, maybe so .... hi
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 21 November 2017 20: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Anyone
        If that works, then do not go to a fortuneteller, or it was done in the USSR, or developed in the USSR))

        and what the USSR does not suit you ??? I advise you to refresh your memory and try to remember, on the basis of which the USSR was created !!! wink lol lol lol
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 21 November 2017 21: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          and what the USSR does not suit you ???

          And why did you decide that the USSR did not suit me? And yes, I don’t need to tell me that the military-industrial complex of the USSR is a direct consequence of the state-forming policy of Alexander Nevsky or Nicholas I)) The military-industrial complex of the USSR is a little more than completely arisen as a result of the Great Patriotic War and victory in it.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 21 November 2017 21: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Anyone
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            and what the USSR does not suit you ???

            And why did you decide that the USSR did not suit me? And yes, I don’t need to tell me that the military-industrial complex of the USSR is a direct consequence of the state-forming policy of Alexander Nevsky or Nicholas I)) The military-industrial complex of the USSR is a little more than completely arisen as a result of the Great Patriotic War and victory in it.

            with the fact that you and some often indulge that we live off the heritage of the USSR !!! while being silent, that the basis of the USSR was just Russia !!! so leave your reproach in this regard !!! negative negative negative tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
            1. Anyone
              Anyone 22 November 2017 00: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              you and some often indulge that we live on the heritage of the USSR

              You just indulge. And we live in a reserve that was created before 1991. All "new" missiles (including the hypersonic ones discussed here), nuclear submarines, combat aircraft, Armata tanks, etc. were developed in the 70-80s of the last century. Today, only these projects are being finalized and adapted to modern requirements. Even the PAK FA, which is being developed today as the newest fighter, is being created on the basis of a project of the 80s ... I never say that this is bad in principle, and you should not use it - this is nonsense, of course. I say that someday this backlog will end, and today nothing new is being created. If the financial analogy is more clear, then if you spend more than earn, then end up in bankruptcy. In the initial technical plan, everything is similar. On this I think the discussion is over. Want to talk about the contribution of the Ruriks to the creation of the Soyuz rocket? This is without me))
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 22 November 2017 01: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Anyone
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                you and some often indulge that we live on the heritage of the USSR

                You just indulge. And we live in a reserve that was created before 1991. All "new" missiles (including the hypersonic ones discussed here), nuclear submarines, combat aircraft, Armata tanks, etc. were developed in the 70-80s of the last century. Today, only these projects are being finalized and adapted to modern requirements. Even the PAK FA, which is being developed today as the newest fighter, is being created on the basis of a project of the 80s ... I never say that this is bad in principle, and you should not use it - this is nonsense, of course. I say that someday this backlog will end, and today nothing new is being created. If the financial analogy is more clear, then if you spend more than earn, then end up in bankruptcy. In the initial technical plan, everything is similar. On this I think the discussion is over. Want to talk about the contribution of the Ruriks to the creation of the Soyuz rocket? This is without me))

                you mess up ... and too much !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol I repeat to you ... enough to carry liberalist nonsense about someone’s hurts ... Russia has a long history and there is nothing wrong with that !!! tongue tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
              2. dm_Russia
                dm_Russia 22 November 2017 09: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Anyone
                I say that someday this backlog will end, and today nothing new is being created. If the financial analogy is more clear, then if you spend more than earn, then end up in bankruptcy. In the initial technical plan, everything is similar.

                I am very glad that you are wrong! Today there is something that is being developed from "0". That's what up to 91g. didn’t even think. And the fact that the best ideas that were born during the USSR today are being realized - this is also the norm.
  8. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 21 November 2017 18: 41 New
    0
    The bottom rocket is an interesting move. she would have to give the functions and autonomy of the submarine, ideally
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 21 November 2017 18: 41 New
    +5
    It remains only to wish 100% implementation of the state armaments program of Russia. Good luck!
  10. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 21 November 2017 18: 57 New
    0
    19 trillion is certainly great !!! The main thing is to ensure that part of the money does not go to the left.
  11. Simon
    Simon 21 November 2017 19: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    People are more or less aware of the progress of the Sarmat and Zircon projects, but Scyth has not been mentioned for several years ... Maybe for the better - there will be a surprise for someone

    I agree, and maybe also a modernized one! tongue
  12. Simon
    Simon 21 November 2017 19: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Evrodav
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    People are more or less aware of the progress of the Sarmat and Zircon projects, but Scyth has not been mentioned for several years ... Maybe for the better - there will be a surprise for someone

    Scythians are already placed around the perimeter of American Europe and while they are sleeping! Only you to anyone ... no, no!

    Or maybe give new names, such as St. John's wort, comfrey, nettle - all these Russian names of medicinal plants! How much more can be picked up, for everything will be, these names lie in the heads of the Americans.
  13. NN52
    NN52 21 November 2017 21: 17 New
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    I hope this type of senator after March 18 is finally sent to retire ... well-deserved ... let the retired aircraft fall apart .....
  14. Anyone
    Anyone 21 November 2017 21: 19 New
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    Quote: Vadim237
    ... there is a chance that the barge or ship will sink and lie directly on this rocket.

    The couple recalled: it’s more dangerous to ride a train than flying a plane, because the plane can fall on the train))
  15. HEATHER
    HEATHER 22 November 2017 01: 53 New
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    Skif News 2013.
  16. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 November 2017 14: 10 New
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    The state program is wonderful. God grant that everything works out!
  17. misti1973
    misti1973 22 November 2017 15: 11 New
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    Recently, don’t look where you’re lucky, you’ll have Russia, Russia plans, etc. In reality, Russia has no money, and therefore, most likely, we will have to cut defense spending! In reality, they cannot supply new small arms in part :) In reality, there is not enough money for the construction of the Boreevs, in reality, we have lost almost all major contracts for the supply of weapons. But propaganda will soon fill the entire information space! Who doesn’t want to live in the real world, welcome to the virtual one :) It’s like the “junkies” - they know that it’s harmful, but they can’t refuse!
  18. Svetlana
    Svetlana 22 November 2017 16: 21 New
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    the newest Skif ballistic missile, capable of being in standby mode on the sea and ocean bottom and at the right time at the command of a shot and hit ground and sea targets.


    "Relax" said the night man
    “Relax,” the watchman said,
    "We are programmed to receive
    “We are only programmed to receive.
    You can check out any time you like
    You can always get the full check,
    But you can never leave! "
    But you can never leave! ”
    Source: https://www.amalgama-lab.com/songs/e/eagles/hotel
    _california.html