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The joint Indian-Israeli production of anti-tank missile systems was in doubt. According to the portal defenseworld.net, the Ministry of Defense of India canceled the purchase of Spike ATGMs, the cost of which was estimated at $ 525 million.


The Indian Defense Ministry indicates that the purchase of foreign-made ATGM will have a negative impact on domestic development. At the same time, the Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) has already presented its development of the Man-Portable Anti-tank Guided Missile (MPATGM), already the last part of the tests.

India refuses "Spikes"

MPATGM Indian Development Tests


The Ministry of Defense of India believes that DRDO will be able to start mass production of third-generation anti-tank systems, which the developers include MPATGM. According to the military, equipping the Indian army with new anti-tank complexes will take three to four years.

In 2014, the Indian Ministry of Defense refused to buy American anti-tank Javelin missile systems in favor of Spike missiles. Then it was decided to purchase 8000 Israeli missiles and more 300 launchers for them.

Spike is a family of Israeli missiles developed in 90's by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. Spike is a multipurpose multiplatform electro-optical rocket system designed to destroy armored vehicles, protected objects and engineering structures, as well as surface targets and enemy manpower. Rocket launch can be carried out in three main modes: “Shot and forget” (Fire and Forget), “Shot, noticed and corrected” (Fire, Observe and Update) and “Shot and sent” (Fire and Steer). Spike missiles can be equipped with cumulative, fragmentation and combined warheads, reports "Warspot"
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  1. Jedi
    Jedi 21 November 2017 11: 46 New
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    Indian Defense Ministry Cancels Spike ATGM Transaction

    In 2014, the Indian Ministry of Defense refused to acquire American Javelin anti-tank missile systems in favor of Spike missiles

    It turns out that the Indians are not only able to wag stern with Russia.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 November 2017 11: 49 New
      +2
      Exactly. The Israelis also stepped on this rake. But will the Indians only succeed with their exclusive gouging?
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 21 November 2017 11: 51 New
        +5
        It will work out. Damn that and on the side is a rocket.
        1. volodya
          volodya 21 November 2017 11: 59 New
          +7
          Quote: Jedi
          It will work out. Damn that and on the side is a rocket.

          They don’t like ours, American either, now Israel didn’t like it either! Spin like leather in one place. Ask the aliens, aliens will help you!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 November 2017 12: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: volodya
            They do not like ours

            Ours is not in this segment. And what they wanted in terms of missiles for the Bassoons, they have long received.
            Here butted Israel and the United States. Moreover, the "main candy" was the transfer of technology.
            Maybe they have already received it, and therefore decided to refuse the order?
            As an option, the Americans got in again, proposing joint development, so they will have at least some money
      2. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 21 November 2017 11: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        But will the Indians succeed with their exclusive gouging?

        Well in that,Hindi Rusi Bhai Bhai
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 November 2017 13: 06 New
        +5
        The Prime Minister of India succeeded the Minister of Defense.
        Under pressure from the parliament, which “ran over” him for the purchase of Rafaley
        (to the detriment of the national aircraft manufacturer).
        The new chief of the Moscow Region, as they say, hit his fist on the table:
        "Who is the boss here?" wassat And - he did business. Rafali failed to cancel (them
        personally lobbied the prime minister).
        But Spike had no "roof". Flew by ... sad
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 21 November 2017 13: 42 New
          +2
          Sorry...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 21 November 2017 14: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Sorry...

            Well, of course it’s not nice, but you won’t jump above your head. No, no, no.
            1. IL-18
              IL-18 21 November 2017 22: 29 New
              +2
              In some ways, Israel was lucky. They will break something, say the country the manufacturer or developer did poorly.
        2. opus
          opus 21 November 2017 17: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And the Spikes had no “roof”. Flew by

          maybe this is the case:

          (in the sense of the same embarrassment in India)
          after all:
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They love to experience the purchased equipment (or released on the tender) at their sites and with their targets


          + 200 000 $
          For export, the cost of the rocket is about $ 200.000,
          in 2010 prices (and now all 240-270 000 $ probably)
          ?


          Quote: voyaka uh
          (their
          personally lobbied the prime minister).

          Well, the stump is clear.
          Peru:
          Materials subsequent vigorous discussion of the incident “Suggest that the interests of the manufacturer Spike were actively lobbied by corrupt Peruvian officials and businessmen, whose ultimate goal is 650 million dollars allocated for the implementation of a large-scale modernization program for Peruvian armed forces”. The result of the scandal was a visit to Lima by the head of Rafael in early May 2010, in order to personally explain to the customer about the causes of the incident, which he called an “unexpected accident”.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 21 November 2017 20: 58 New
          0
          But Spike had no "roof". Flew by ... sad


          Or maybe the thing is that Indians are not stupid people and choose the best? :)
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 21 November 2017 22: 31 New
            +2
            Right! Indian.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 November 2017 11: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Jedi
      It turns out that the Indians are not only able to wag stern with Russia.

      Pffff ... and what, after the MMRCA tender with the dances around the "Rafales" there were doubts about this? smile
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 21 November 2017 11: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        were there doubts about this?

        There were not only doubts, but suspicions. Now there is confidence.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 21 November 2017 11: 54 New
      +6
      Jedi Today, 11: 46It turns out that the Indians are able not only to wag stern with Russia.

      ... something Indians often began to "throw" people ... as if they didn’t have to bite their elbows if they got it ... bully
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 21 November 2017 12: 19 New
        +4
        These can they have the same Yoga 80 lvl laughing
    4. Partyzan
      Partyzan 21 November 2017 12: 33 New
      +4
      Hello max hi , another hail of Israel?
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 21 November 2017 12: 36 New
        +4
        Hi! hi Yes, there in this Indian fig salad, you will understand who whom and how. lol
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 21 November 2017 12: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: Jedi
          and there in this Indian fig vinaigrette you will understand who whom and how.

          kamasutra however laughing
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 21 November 2017 13: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Jedi
      It turns out that the Indians are not only able to wag stern with Russia.

      Hindus are still warriors. They are looking for where to buy weapons cheap and that they would fight for themselves, and they would sit under a fan, drink "tea with an elephant" and watch.
  2. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 21 November 2017 11: 49 New
    0
    Expected Finals - They Will Do Their Own
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 November 2017 11: 58 New
      +6
      "... try to do their own thing." More precisely
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 21 November 2017 12: 18 New
        +2
        something of theirs hurts on Kgustov it seems to have turned out wink
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 November 2017 12: 33 New
          +6
          "But they make beautiful children. And all that with their hands ..." (c)
          8)))))))))))))
          Quote: Tlauicol
          something of theirs hurts on Kgustov it seems to have turned out

          Left photo.
          In fact, she is like this:


          Well, about Karl Gustav - India acquired a license back in the 60s of the last century, now they themselves produce versions of M2 and M3 on OFB, also known as Indian Ordnance Factories.
      2. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 21 November 2017 12: 44 New
        0
        They are ready that it will be of poor quality, but their own))) Ambitions rule
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 November 2017 12: 58 New
          +5
          Everything is much more complicated there. A lot of money is allocated for rearmament, and the local oligarchy is very unhappy that such a couscous flies past their mouths. Actually, that's why this mess is happening. Remember the epic battle in Russia around Iveco / Lynx, and multiply by a thousand
          In addition, this sphere in India is extremely corrupt, and PR is actively used in the media, including the black one. And even the fight against corruption is often waged in the interests of certain commercial groups.
          1. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 21 November 2017 13: 31 New
            +3
            Honestly, corruption is the first thing I thought about after reading a publication laughing
  3. omit
    omit 21 November 2017 11: 52 New
    +2
    "Rafael was not officially informed of any changes in the decision to purchase Spike missiles. Spike is used by 26 different military units around the world and was chosen by India as a result of lengthy and thorough negotiations," the deputy deputy spokesman told Haaretz Israeli concern Ishai David November 20.

    According to him, Rafael has already begun transmitting information on the development of the Make-in-India program to the Indians, assuring that it "will continue as planned."
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 21 November 2017 12: 00 New
      +2
      Hindus about breaking the contract will put you when they fully receive all the technologies from you! !!! wassat And Israel will sing a song about India, "and you, you threw you, wassat you threw us "!!! wassat
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 21 November 2017 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Hindus about breaking the contract will put you when they fully receive all the technologies from you! !!! wassat And Israel will sing a song about India "and you, you you threw you, wassat you threw us" !!! wassat

        and pay a penalty and remain without key technologies ... well, as always, in Indian wassat
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 November 2017 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: omit
      According to him, Rafael has already begun transferring information about the development of the program to the Indians

      Apparently, the received them so excited that they decided "and we can"
      Or rather, someone from the local "industry leaders" brought a bribe exceeding the size of Israel. 8))))) Yours have already come across this, right? In artillery ... There, I remember, a bucket of slops on yours was poured to "provide information" for the redistribution of orders.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 November 2017 11: 53 New
    +2
    canceled the purchase of Spike ATGM, the cost of which was estimated at $ 525 million

    Interestingly, and what penalty will be paid? India in the procurement of weapons becomes completely unpredictable. We either buy, refuse, or make unreasonable claims. In a word, Bollywood. They are dancing that the leading countries will refuse to cooperate with them.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 21 November 2017 12: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They are dancing that the leading countries will refuse to cooperate with them.

      Good if so. The Indian arms market is a very "fat" piece, because many people endure showing off Indians.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 21 November 2017 12: 25 New
        +1
        Indian arms market is a very "fat" piece

        This is the trouble (sellers grit their teeth, but suffer), and the Indians began to abuse this position. But it cannot last forever either.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 21 November 2017 12: 31 New
          +3
          Here, either the Indians will moderate their appetites, or they will find someone who will tolerate their tricks, inconvenience in the form of technology transfer, but raking in money, or the Indians will remain "on the beans" and will do their own thing. Examples of "successful" Indian developments we know.
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 21 November 2017 11: 54 New
    0
    I wonder what shelf life this ATGM has? When will they create an antidote for these missiles? In my opinion, antidotes have not yet been invented from our VAMPIRE.
  6. Vadim851
    Vadim851 21 November 2017 11: 55 New
    +1
    That fighter almost tried from all over the planet and did not work, now the anti-tank systems. How to determine what they want. With the development of domestic anti-tank systems, they are likely to have a repeat of the epic with Arjun and Tejas
  7. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 21 November 2017 11: 55 New
    0
    Yeah, the Indians have one song for everyone.
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 November 2017 11: 57 New
    0
    What the Hindu shoots from the photo will be seen even a half-blind for such an exhaust of a flame over a dozen kilometers fool ! So imperceptibly wassat in India and "spikes have resolved"! wassat
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 21 November 2017 12: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Herkulesich
      What the Hindu shoots from the photo will be seen even a half-blind for such an exhaust of a flame over a dozen kilometers

      You exhaust our ATGM live, saw, or at least an RPG?
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 21 November 2017 12: 47 New
        +1
        Yeah, a couple of times, or rather three times I saw a shot of the "contest"! hi
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 21 November 2017 12: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Yeah, a couple of times, or rather three times I saw a shot of the "contest"!

          Well, so what, except "Competition": NOT (your quote) "even a half-blind, pl such flame exhaust will see over a dozen kilometers"?
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 21 November 2017 13: 24 New
            +1
            So depending on which operator, it was possible to camouflage the position wisely, and not to bullet like in an action movie from the hip. ... sad
            1. IL-18
              IL-18 21 November 2017 22: 38 New
              +2
              But in the action movie there is no flash, and some pretty girl behind her back with eyes in love.
  9. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 21 November 2017 12: 00 New
    0
    In my opinion, the biggest problem of the Indians, in the development of their own military-industrial complex, is the Indians themselves, with their caste. Those. lack of social elevators .. by the way, we strive there, too, headlong.
  10. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 21 November 2017 12: 02 New
    +1
    Hindus, the greatest Semites ... To deceive (throw) the Jews, it is expensive ... hi Most likely, the Scandinavians offered the option. Banderlogs rule ... I mean, those that live on trees ..
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 21 November 2017 12: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Hindus, the greatest Semites ...

      They are even more great programmers ...
      stories about them have been going on since ATI video cards ... drivers to which they wrote, as it were ... laughing
  11. Romanenko
    Romanenko 21 November 2017 12: 05 New
    +2
    The old joke about the monkey is just about India:
    The lion somehow decided to put things in order in the forest and ordered all smart animals to become on the right, and beautiful on the left
    Everyone is built, and the monkey runs from right to left and back ...
    The lion tells her, well, are you running back and forth, are you smart or beautiful
    And the monkey - well, what am I supposed to tear apart now?
    That's exactly how the Indians ...
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 21 November 2017 12: 07 New
    0
    In connection with this Indian topic, I want to quote the last paragraph of a recent analytical article from NVO, which interested me. Indeed, India needs a strong ally against China and America is actively trying to gain a foothold in India not only through arms deals (which it offers whole packages of offers), but also trying to establish military interaction and basing. It seems to be irrelevant to the topic of "Spikes", but how to say ...
    The Indian newspaper Hindu published material on the announcement by the command of the Armed Forces of this country of a tender for the purchase of 2600 tanks. Earlier, the senior officer of the Indian Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Shivan, made a statement to the media that soon the Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV) program, which is the basis for the construction of Indian armored forces, will make significant progress. From his own lips it became known that in the near future a large part of the existing tank fleet will be decommissioned ...................... Given all the above, the T-90 practically in all respects it looks more attractive than Abrams. But insurmountable for Moscow political expediency in relations between India and the USA may intervene. As you know, recently, Washington has been working hard to strengthen comprehensive ties with Delhi, primarily in the field of military cooperation. In early June, Pentagon chief James Mattis, speaking in Singapore, even stated that India is a key US partner in the defense industry.
    The United States has already signed an agreement with Delhi to localize the production of the F-16 multipurpose fighter in India and to supply 22 Guard MQ-9B marine drones. Earlier, India purchased the Jalashwa helicopter carrier (the former Trenton LPD-14) and the S-17 transport aircraft, and also preferred to conclude contracts with France for the construction of Scorpen submarines and 36 Rafal fighters. http://www.ng.ru/armies/2017-11-17/1_7117_abrams.
    html
  13. Dead duck
    Dead duck 21 November 2017 12: 15 New
    +6
    The launcher (in the photo) looks like “Karla” ... what
  14. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 21 November 2017 12: 16 New
    0
    The master is his own master. Do not want to buy a weapon do it yourself It is commendable that the Indians began to do something themselves. But we do not need to cooperate with them in the future, our know-how will immediately find themselves behind the hill. Do you want to take it, but without the transfer of our technology. Now hell who will share even with his closest neighbor. Our neighbors are there: Ukraine sold us, Belarus sucks us like a calf, and looks to the West, Kazakhstan is still with us, but as the current president leaves, Kazakhstan will no longer be close to us if they already prefer their roots and transition to Latin, friendly with the USA
  15. Eurodav
    Eurodav 21 November 2017 12: 22 New
    +1
    Well done Indians, why do you run into them? Well, if the best is not taken (ours), then curly-headed then where do they climb? Throw the Indians of the Jews boldly! And then their hangers-on! And come to us, we will teach the charter of the guard service! ;-)
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 November 2017 12: 30 New
    0
    If the palm in the nomination "the most unreliable supplier" is shared by Ukraine and France, then India has no competitors in the nomination "the most unreliable buyer". With "Rafal" the nomination "deal of the century" as a union of the most unreliable.
  17. shans2
    shans2 21 November 2017 12: 38 New
    +1
    decided to get rid of idle shit), sucked up due to corruption)
  18. XXXIII
    XXXIII 21 November 2017 12: 39 New
    +1
    India refuses Spikes
    They want to do their own, for $ 500 ml. maybe you can buy cheap technology and modify it to fit your tasks ... xs ...
    Instead, the government of India demanded that the Department of Defense develop and launch the production of its own anti-tank missiles.
  19. BAI
    BAI 21 November 2017 13: 22 New
    0
    Obviously, the Chinese experience is being adopted - to buy, where it is possible - to lick, as soon as possible - to produce.
  20. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 November 2017 13: 27 New
    +6
    Apparently, this is another duck.
    Negotiations were conducted with 2014 of the year. The transaction is completed in May 2016. India has ordered Spike 8000 anti-tank guided missiles and more 300 launchers. Production will be conducted in Hyderabad, a joint venture between Rafael and the Kalyani group. Prior to opening production in India (end of 2018), Rafael already supplies kits for the order. Given that the Indian army is currently facing a shortage of about 68 000 of similar missiles, the deal does not in any way prevent India from developing its missiles. Such development will take, roughly, four years.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 November 2017 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Negotiations were underway.
      and the necessary papers were not signed .... no
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 November 2017 14: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: XXXIII
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Negotiations were underway.
        and the necessary papers were not signed .... no

        It remains to read the following sentence: "The transaction is completed in May 2016" and you will be happy. hi
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 21 November 2017 15: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Negotiations were underway.
          and the necessary papers were not signed .... no

          It remains to read the following sentence: "The transaction is completed in May 2016" and you will be happy. hi
          The Indian Express newspaper writes today that contract negotiations, which was to be yet another proof of the deepening of cooperation between the two countries, were completed last year, and its signing was prepared shortly - apparently, during the visit of Prime Minister Netanyahu to India in January 2018. A source involved in the talks told Hadashot (2 channel) that the “reverse” of the Indian Ministry of Defense puts Netanyahu’s visit in doubt.
           Hindus want to fool a deal, I don’t know whether it is possible to do so or not under this contract, but once they have raised a wave. means they want to withdraw from the contract. recourse
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 November 2017 16: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: XXXIII
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Quote: XXXIII
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Negotiations were underway.
            and the necessary papers were not signed .... no

            It remains to read the following sentence: "The transaction is completed in May 2016" and you will be happy. hi
            The Indian Express newspaper writes today that contract negotiations, which was to be yet another proof of the deepening of cooperation between the two countries, were completed last year, and its signing was prepared shortly - apparently, during the visit of Prime Minister Netanyahu to India in January 2018. A source involved in the talks told Hadashot (2 channel) that the “reverse” of the Indian Ministry of Defense puts Netanyahu’s visit in doubt.
             Hindus want to fool a deal, I don’t know whether it is possible to do so or not under this contract, but once they have raised a wave. means they want to withdraw from the contract. recourse


            I read the official press release from August of this year .:
            It was an Israeli partner, Kalyani Strategic Systems.
            Indian government ministries, Israel’s ambassador Yoav Har-Even, Rafael’s CEO, “It’s committed to the development of the plant.”

            Which means approximately the following:
            On Thursday, Israeli weapons maker Rafael Advanced Defense Systems announced the launch of a rocket production plant in India with its Indian partner Kalyani Strategic Systems.
            The plant was opened in the city of Hyderabad at a ceremony in which the ministers of the government of India, the ambassador of Israel to India, and the heads of Rafael and Kalyani took part. Yoav Har-Even, CEO of Rafael, said that the opening of the plant is another expression of security cooperation between Israel and India and that his company "is committed to the policies of the Indian government and local production, and the opening of the plant is proof of this."

            According to recent reports, it became known that the plant will reach its design capacity by the end of 2018.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 21 November 2017 18: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: A. Privalov
              According to recent reports, it became known that the plant will reach its design capacity by the end of 2018.

              I checked in other sources, it seems like the truth, the plant was opened and 90% of the parts are produced in India on Aug. 04.2017. This begs the question: Indians want to throw Israel, there is a factory, parts are produced for 90%, why do we need a blacksmith ?! what In general, or PR dirty, or not blogary clients ... hi
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 21 November 2017 19: 00 New
                +3
                We need to wait a bit and we will know where the rumors came from about abandoning Spikes. drinks
  21. Sergey53
    Sergey53 21 November 2017 14: 31 New
    0
    Another bargaining began. Again, the Javelins want, but cheaper.
  22. Zina389
    Zina389 21 November 2017 15: 00 New
    0
    Israel is now a strong anti-corruption company. It is very possible that the Indians were promised to be warmed up, but it does not work out. Then they burned with righteous anger. Really outrageous. No loan, no rollback. This is not a concept.
  23. First iron-faced
    First iron-faced 22 November 2017 06: 52 New
    0
    Something MPATGM in the photo strongly reminds RPG Carl Gustaf, also the sand-colored MRAP RG-32 in the background, rather, Amer. rangers.
  24. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 22 November 2017 07: 08 New
    0
    Such a great gouging regarding technology as the Indians do not exist anywhere. Have time to test or break ahead of time?
  25. misti1973
    misti1973 22 November 2017 16: 17 New
    0
    They refused to Dry in favor of Raphael! This is already a misunderstanding, because they are much more expensive and not at all more efficient. Yes, and our T-90 tanks also did not like. Also strange. What happens there, whether it drank the budget, or an attempt to take the right side ... Unclear.