A US Air Force officer complained about the F-22 Raptor and Russian pilots

The command of the U.S. Air Force units expresses dissatisfaction with the fact that the United States does not have the opportunity to fully monitor the actions of the Russian military aviation in Syria. In particular, the statement of the commander of the 95th expeditionary squadron of the US Air Force is given for publication Aviation Week. The squadron is based on one of the airfields of the United Arab Emirates.

The officer told reporters of the publication that it is becoming increasingly difficult for the American coalition to track the routes of aircraft movement in the Russian space forces. According to him, an important flaw was revealed in the latest American fighter F-22. Aircraft do not have a set of infrared devices and specialized optics capable of allowing observation at night. The American soldier notes that F-15 and F-35 have such opportunities, but more often the F-22 is using the US Air Force command to patrol the Syrian sky.

From the interview in the mentioned edition:

Also, our aircraft (F-22) is not able to independently transmit information through the tactical system Link 16, used by other aircraft of the US Air Force. The plane is poorly integrated into a single information space when performing operations. Pilots are forced to use conventional radios and in the radio broadcast what they see in front of them. In addition, we do not have an assisted target designation system. We have to literally twirl his head and look for someone else's plane, which we saw some time ago. All this instead of getting acquainted with the coordinates of this aircraft on the helmet. Often we try to call Russian pilots to the communication, but they do not respond to the signals.

US Air Force officer:

I can't even tell if the Russians are monitoring this frequency or not.

Comments

[Uncle lee]

but they do not respond to signals.

- it is below our dignity!

[volodya]

Quote: Uncle Lee

but they do not respond to signals.

- it is below our dignity!

And who called them there?

[siberalt]

And what is wrong American pilot? Sucks them in Syria, and only.

[chicken 96]

It remains only to regret them!

[Jedi]

Volodya, hello!

Quote from Uncle Lee

it is below our dignity!

In order for the Americans to understand your words, they must first of all explain what “dignity” is.

[Uncle lee]

Hi, Max ! They don’t have the word “conscience” either!

[Jedi]

This is exactly what I had in mind: we have too many concepts that are alien to the Western mentality.

[Monos]

Good morning everyone!
There is no thermal imager and NVD; they don’t know whether they listen to their frequencies; what is happening around do not see ... Enchanting! The strongest army on the planet with the best technology ... It seems Trump said so recently?

[Jedi]

Hi Victor!

Quote: Monos

The strongest army on the planet with the best technology ... It seems Trump said so recently?

Many sin by giving out wishful thinking.

[okko077]

They have F22 poorly integrated into the information system. But our SU -57 is not integrated at all, and we don’t have an information system at all ... And our local governments with pathos discuss the flaws of those systems that we don’t have at all. And if we have thermal imagers and night-time surveillance systems, then there is nothing and nowhere to transmit the information received with their help. Also, how pi_ndosy will yell on the air .... No difference .... Urya ........

[Monos]

Quote: okko077

And we have...

Enchanting too. "Everything is lost !!! The guard !!! We will all die !!!" Ambulance call?

[xtur]

> And our uryat with pathos discuss the shortcomings of those systems that we do not have at all

let's start something ...
1) Firstly, I am not yours, because, at least, I do not live in the Russian Federation and am a patriot of my country of residence, from which I did not leave anywhere.
2) Secondly, I am not a urologist or a Uryulog, although I respect the Russian Armed Forces
3) Thirdly, you simply ... mislead people, from which many conclusions follow - like you are on a salary, you have lowered social responsibility (c). The information system was, starting with Mig-31, but about the ability to see / pinpoint the enemy at night and say nothing. Also, I have never heard complaints about ergonomics

and all this matters because I consider the F-22 an outstanding cut

[okko077]

You have problems with your head, this time. I have not touched you yet, these are two. What salary ? And most importantly, I'm not interested in the opinion of some pi_ndosa. I am here in a forum talking with people, and here are you?

[xtur]

>> 3) Thirdly, you just ... mislead people ... you have a reduced social responsibility (c)

> You have problems with your head, this time.

Do you understand what a man with low social responsibility (c) is? This is ... gay

that is, I called you gay, but I did it in such a way that I had to understand this with the inclusion of Mosk. It turned out that you didn’t have it - you failed a simple test for Moscow, otherwise you would have answered my accusation differently

Including necha blame the mirror, if mug face.

Threat. And these are all the predator’s defenders, in strict accordance with what I said in the first message - they immediately turn off the mosquito and lose the opportunity to contact the outside world as soon as they reach the key trigger phrase “F-22” / “Raptor” / "Predator"

Chord, why are they all so predictable?

ZYZY. I will be requesting the facespalm icon in the icon collection. And there is nothing left for an adequate expression of causticity, with such a limited set of means of expression, how to swear: -;

[NN52]

xtur

These are your statements below ...

"Do you understand what a man with reduced social responsibility (c) is? It's ... gay"


"ZYZY. I will re-invite the facespalm icon into a collection of icons. And there’s nothing left for an adequate expression of causticity, with such a limited set of expressive means, how to swear: -;"

You are sick .... Confess to yourself ...
(NEXUS please do not interfere)

[xtur]

> You are sick .... Admit to yourself ...

if you have the same problems with the analysis and understanding of the text as the kind captain, then you just need to study the mathematical part to begin with. You know who your Supreme Commander called women with reduced social responsibility ?
He called that prostitutes. And this is a meme that your Supreme Commander-in-Chief introduced, as well as a lesson in a high level of Russian language proficiency
The man who gives other men is gay.

This is simple logic, and the simplest, not even knowledge of the materiel, but respect for the efforts of the Commander-in-Chief to establish certain communication standards. What is the name of the person who ignores the efforts of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief to introduce certain standards of communication / communication / Russian language skills?
It can be called razdy * dyem, inadequate, traitor, boor ...
In different ways, but unflattering, very unflattering

> (NEXUS please do not interfere)

Only the Commander-in-Chief himself can cancel his efforts to promote certain standards for using the Russian language.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: xtur

Information system was starting from the Mig-31

You do not seem to know what a unified information system is, or the possibility of waging a network-centric war. This until it does not even smell, all that is known, andromeda, or whatever it is, has so far gone beyond the level of rumors, while NATO has been a standard for 20 years. Moreover, NATO is not in every single army, but all are connected to each other by an information network. And the Raptors are also integrated into this network, like the pilots have a helmet-mounted target designation system, although not as advanced as the F-35. Either the article was not translated that way, or something was misunderstood. It is not very believed that the Raptor pilots will whine and tell similar things to some journalists, especially if the problem is still there (they say we don’t see anything at night, you have to turn your head in search of Russian planes and yell into the darkness in the radio .. ), It looks like the next Khibiny ..

[NN52]

Carabas, such as Barabas ...

Answer pzhl to the question, why are all connected to NATO in a single information network?

[xtur]

> You don't seem to know what a single information system is, or the possibility of a network-centric war

I don’t like this method of argumentation, but now he’s just right - son, a single information system in the troops existed in the USSR, in which the Americans whistled both the concept and the methods of organization - now they call it the Akhromeev’s doctrine, or something.
I personally worked on a technique that automatically did a bunch of calculations, passed them down to subordinates, and communicated with the upper level, which we already obeyed. And computers were also on board our technology - serial technology, I emphasize

It was in the shaggy, already 80s of the last century. So do not grind the tongue, if not at all in the subject.

> Either the article was not translated correctly, or something was not told

and what's the problem, the advocate of whiners and saw cutters - find the original and translate it yourself, conduct a study and prove that the interview is fake. Or do you only know how to grind with your tongue and to blame domestic achievements?

[karabas-barabas]

What are you talking about ?? You mean, in the 80s there were TFT Monitors with maps and information in real time ?? In NATO, starting from the command line with a tablet, up to command centers, there is a single information system with broadband connection that allows you to transfer a lot of information in live time, up to high-resolution video signals. In the Russian army, even the various arms of service are not connected by ordinary walkie-talkies! Aiming for artillery and the Air Force are engaged in gunners with laser pointers. Of course, they worked on it and are working on it, but before the implementation it was like walking to the moon. The language is scratched only by patriots, completely ignoring reality, and the enumeration of facts is called "the fault of all Russian weapons."

[xtur]

> What are you talking about ??

So we are talking about the fact that not only do you not imagine the question about which you volunteered to be a judge, you also have no idea what a network is.

I'm not going to be your teacher. but I repeat what I have already said (suddenly you are not as hopeless as you imagine):
1) The USSR already in the mid 80s of the last century had a developed management system, let's call it first version (And yes, if there were computers on the machines, then there were monitors.)
2) It was from the USSR that the United States borrowed the very concept of computer control of troops, having seen with its own eyes how much such a system increases the effectiveness of military operations.

PS. Make an effort on yourself, stop being cattle, and understand a simple truth - between the great powers there are no (or rather they are extremely rare) final technological breakthroughs and breaks, this is an endless game in which they learn from each other endlessly, and the invention of one immediately borrows the other, often even improving, and forcing, now to catch up with an opponent.

PSPS
About artillery you are even less in the subject than with networked control systems

[dmitry.kashkaryow]

Tell me, what will this information system do when communications satellites turn into stardust? By the logic of things, a serious international scuffle should begin with this. How the past began with saboteurs tearing the front-line telephone network. Maybe then pointers will be an advantage?

[NEXUS]

Quote: okko077

They have F22 poorly integrated into the information system.

In the event of a conflict with an equal technological adversary, be it F-35 or F-22, when it is integrated into information systems, the first thing to lose is this integration, because it is communications systems, satellites, radar stations, etc., that must be destroyed first ... and then the question arises, WHAT DOES THE LIZZHOPS REMAIN THEN? And what generation will it be then, in the absence of this same network-centric?

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: NEXUS

the first thing to lose is precisely this integration, because it is communications systems, satellites, radar stations, etc., that must be destroyed first.

And how were these satellites going to shoot down? Do you even know the height of their orbit? And in general, you know a lot about the infrastructure of the NATO information system, you are aware that there are satellites and transmitters and all with each other, not only via satellites, but also different aircraft, without satellites, on every aircraft or tracked vehicles. from a helicopter, to AWACS and UAVs, as well as directly connected .. It’s like a network and knocking down some satellites (which in my opinion is impossible, since they fly 30 thousand km above the ground), little will change, except Global Hawks all sorts of lose one of the 3 communication channels. The only effective countermeasure is its own, well-protected network-centric system, integrated into all military branches and mastered. What you write is utopia, sorry.

[NEXUS]

Quote: karabas-barabas

And how were these satellites going to shoot down?

Imagine how we and mattresses create satellite fighters. I will say more, the IP program (satellite fighter) we had back in the USSR, and it’s operational. And you probably haven’t heard anything about the S-500 Prometheus, or the A-235 Nudol, who have the primary task of monitoring and controlling near space.

Quote: karabas-barabas

You know a lot about the infrastructure of the NATO information system, you are aware that there are satellites and transmitters and all with each other, not only via satellites, but also different aircraft, without satellites, on every aircraft or tracked vehicles. from a helicopter, to AWACS and UAVs, as well as directly connected.

And what complexes do we create? Missiles that are sharpened for the destruction of radar.

Quote: karabas-barabas

What you write is utopia, sorry.

What you write is bullshit, from ignorance and misunderstanding. This is reality.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: NEXUS

What you write is bullshit, from ignorance and misunderstanding. This is reality.

The nonsense and fantasies of young science fiction writers are your comments, and almost all of them are absolutely not in contact with reality. Satellite fighters were created to destroy the reconnaissance satellites of the nearest orbit, these satellites had to be launched with fuel in order to constantly adjust the trajectory, since it was too close to the ground. It was about these satellites that were discussed, and not communication ones, which fly in orbits above 20-25 thousand km !!! There is something to represent and fantasize about, it’s not mine, so if the Russian Federation creates complexes for destroying communication satellites, facts to the studio, because I strongly doubt that you are in the subject and generally understand what you are writing about. A-235 Nudol is just like the S-500 only projects, this is firstly, and secondly, what does the destruction of satellites have to do with it ??? A-235 should replace missile defense to protect exclusively Moscow A-135, when it will be brought to mind is in the stars. About the S-500 is created against the Axes, again, what do the satellites have to do with it ??? Well, another accordion about the almighty EW ..., you don’t even understand what it is and how this EW should deprive NATO of its connection, but you have so much self-confidence that you allow yourself to be rude. How old are you, 15 or what? Lead the discussion with dignity.

[NEXUS]

Quote: karabas-barabas

The nonsense and fantasies of young science fiction writers are your comments, and almost all of them are absolutely not in contact with reality.

I read your snotty fantasies ... I realized that there is no one to speak with from the word at all.
I especially liked your pearl about S-500 and axes ... the main task of Prometheus is monitoring of near space and intercepting warheads of ICBMs. That is why it is sharpened by the interception of hyper-speed targets, as well as Nudol.
Oh well, keep on entertaining the people.

[velpro]

fading away glory ukrozadym

[Baby sitter]

Why transfer to someone? Notched - Vali !!! And the rest of the AWACS will look ...

[opus]

Quote: Monos

Thermal imager and NVD no; listen to their frequencies or not do not know; what happens around do not see ... Enchanting!

Do not read a tovar in the morning, and even articles of the nameless afftor.

Quote: Author

A USAF officer complained about the F-22 Raptor

Yeah. So he was allowed

Lt. Col. “Ox” is actually about some other

Su-30s, Su-35s, Su-27s, Su-17s, Su-XNUMXs and Su-XNUMXs; partial anonymity to discuss sensitive operations. Russian fighters regularly for a period of 30 minutes.

If you’re liberty, you can’t be honest. But as the ground forces squeeze ISIS into a smaller and smaller area, these “uncomfortable” incidents

“This guy is getting close to the attack of our guys? Or is it just that flying? ”Ox said. “If you are completely innocent. That's the call that we have to make every day. ”

Responding to these incidents is made even more challenging by the increasingly congested airspace, Ox said. It’s not a problem.

It can be seen as a rule. It is not necessary to have an advanced electro optical / infrared / infrared capability integrated into the F-35 or fourth-generation fighters via external pod.

and Shell, a lieutenant colonel of the US Air Force and the commander of this squadron, cannot praise the Raptors.

The aircraft performs its task “flawlessly”, even in missions for which it was not intended

Overall, the most important thing is the fight against air superiority, Shell says. “Our ground troops have not been attacked since the 15, 1953,” he adds. “The F-22 is in the Air Resolve.”

Quote: Author

Aircraft do not have a set of infrared devices and specialized optics capable of allowing observation at night.

Radar AN / APG-77. Target detection range with EPR = 1 м2 - 225 km (normal mode) and 193 km (LPI mode)
Why does he need ECO on 30-40 km?

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The aircraft is equipped with an integrated communication, navigation and identification system, originally created by TRW. It includes a radar identification system, “friend-foe”, as well as protected and noise-resistant channels IFDL and Link-16 JTIDS.
The aircraft has a scheme for receiving and transmitting data over the IFDL channel between other F-22, whereas the Link-16 JTIDS channel, for reasons of improving radar stealth, is implemented only for receiving data.

[Baby sitter]

And these "devices" are definitely attached to the plane? or "you can upgrade your letak" with our devices .... "For your money ??? They probably also have models: base, semi-luxury, luxury, top and more ...

[opus]

Quote: Baby sitter

And these "devices" are definitely attached to the plane?

nanny ... who are you with?

Su-35C / T-10БМ - the design of the aircraft is completely redesigned

new avionics, new modern IU, radar control system (radar) with a multifunctional radar with passive HEADLIGHT N035 "Irbis" / "Irbis-E". In the linear elements of the fuselage and wing socks, it is planned to place additional L-band radar antennas. The aircraft is equipped with an optoelectronic location station to detect targets. The instrument cluster in the cockpit includes an 2 color LCD display and an indicator on the windshield.

1. ОЛС-35 - an optical-location station, installed in the bow of the aircraft in front of the cockpit on the right. It provides target detection in the optical (TV channel) and infrared (thermal imager) ranges, and also includes a laser rangefinder-target designator. OLS-35 differs in elemental base and software algorithms from the OLS of Su-27 and Su-30 aircraft.
Viewing and automatic tracking area - 90 degrees in azimuth and from -15 to + 60 degrees in elevation
Detection range of non-afterburning air targets (front / rear hemispheres) q <15 °:
- 50 / 90 km
- 80 km (during the first stage of the ICG in 2011)
Range to ground target - 30 km
Measuring range to an air target - 20 km
Range Accuracy - 5 m
The number of air targets simultaneously followed in the IR range - 4
2.Complex of electronic countermeasures:
- electronic intelligence equipment - operating frequency range - 1,2 ... 40 GHz
- active jamming equipment - operating frequency range - 4 ... 18 GHz
- active interference containers of group protection - operating frequency range - 1 ... 4 GHz

Quote: Baby sitter

They probably also have models: base, semi-luxury, luxury, top and more ...

well bring
F-22 economy, first class, business
why broom then feces in a pot to bulbit?

Quote: Baby sitter

They have probably too Yes

[happy]

No need to lie please. They have such a word and even more, there is such a concept.
http://wooordhunt.ru/word/conscience

[pjastolov]

Quote: Jedi

In order for the Americans to understand your words, they must first of all explain what “dignity” is.

they already know everything max hello

[Jedi]

Hello Volodya! The picture is a beast! So let them practice.

[pjastolov]

Training is in full swing, and for a long time

[Viktorfi]

Russian is preparing to meet with the Americans

[NordUral]

Sweating yourself, buddy.

[pjastolov]

Everything is possible, but what is better for striped?

The number of spacecraft launches in the Russian Federation and the USA in 2004-2010:

2005
Russia - 26 successful, 3 unsuccessful
USA - 11 successful, no unsuccessful

2006
Russia - 25 successful, 2 unsuccessful
USA - 18 successful, 1 unsuccessful

2007
Russia - 26 successful, 1 unsuccessful
USA - 18 successful, 2 unsuccessful

2008
Russia - 27 successful, 1 unsuccessful
USA - 15 successful, 1 unsuccessful

2009
Russia - 32 successful, no unsuccessful
USA - 24 successful, 1 unsuccessful

2010
Russia - 30 successful, 1 unsuccessful
USA - 16 successful, no unsuccessful

[Victor Dubovitsky]

[quote = Viktorfi] Russian is preparing to meet with the Americans

Normal accident This film is 30 years old. And it seems that the next train ....... but rejoices that the Russians did not shoot down an enemy missile (airplane) and he (she) in this case is Arab, will safely reach the target in Israel. We have common enemies, deeply disrespectful. So, rejoice in vain. Or not in vain? Then you should be wary of your law enforcement.

[DimerVladimer]

Well, the engine did not start - not the first case - it fell and did not explode - the fuse was blocked, and the solid propellant rocket engine is not explosive in this case.
However, panic on a position is something :)
Loshars.

[velpro]

such as we are twisting in a nyas, a shepherd cupped

[opus]

Quote: Viktorfi

Russian is preparing to meet with the Americans

We are not used to

This book can (and need) refresh


Report is outdated

I want to see a fresh result


=================

Unsuccessful launch of the C-300 rocket during exercises in Russia

Well?

Shl. for the people

Israeli strike preparing to meet with Russian tanks?

[zhekazs]

Quote: pjastolov

Quote: Jedi

In order for the Americans to understand your words, they must first of all explain what “dignity” is.

they already know everything max hello

Try on Russian dignity))

[Esoteric]

Quote: Uncle Lee

but they do not respond to signals.

- it is below our dignity!

Like Vladimir Semenovich:

Everything became incomprehensible to us, -
We send a signal: What are you doing there? -
And we are sent back.

[andrewkor]

And where do we see the 5th generation? Maybe the elect of God see? Already written from the rapture of this piece of iron!

[kartalovkolya]

And what did you expect from the “lunar swindlers”, and they praised this “pepelats” not because of its qualities, but according to the principle: “... business and nothing personal ...”, but how else can this “misunderstanding” be “misled” to your allies for such a fabulous price?

[Zhelezyakin]

Do not confuse, the F-22 was not sold to any allies. He is armed only with the States. This F-35 was created in a broad coalition (the Pentagon milked half the world) and originally planned for deliveries to the allied countries ...

[andrewkor]

But in fact, can you give your own assessment of this, allegedly, 5th generation?

[IL-18]

Judging by the problems listed in the article, the Americans decided that the Raptor is able to do everything independently, more correctly autonomously. Here, and drive them to patrol.

[Zhelezyakin]

I draw your attention to the fact that the Americans were the first to make the Fifth Generation aircraft represented by the F-22. I do not pretend to be true, but I propose using it as a "stove." To evaluate our aircraft and other countries. They in their right to use precisely those requirements that are now the criteria and signs of the notorious 5th ...
Although I am not special in aircraft manufacturing, I’m an engine engineer but - let's think logically - in principle, this is a topic for a separate article)). So the requirements for the 5th Generation Fighter (Russian requirements on the wiki)
- dramatic decrease in aircraft visibility in the radar and infrared ranges in combination with the transition of on-board sensors to passive methods of obtaining information, as well as to high stealth modes; A question for our specialists of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, they must have already copied this aircraft and its radar image in all projections. How invisible is it ?! I think that only in the frontal projection is there a significant decrease in the EPR.
- multifunctionality, that is, high combat effectiveness in the defeat of air, ground and surface targets; How often did Americans use their horshniks in combat? From the point of view of banal economy, at least the estimated damage caused by 22 should be divided by the cost of design, production and maintenance. The statistics in this matter are not in favor of the 5th generation ... Our IL-2 will easily plug him into a belt)))
- the presence of a circular information system; Judging by the "cry" of Yaroslavna, everything is not going smoothly here either ...
- flight at supersonic speeds without using afterburner; Complies
- super maneuverability; A very “twofold” demand, the loop of Nesterov, he makes a barrel, but he didn’t see the “Cobra Pugachev” ... And we’ll hardly see it. Americans adhere to slightly different WB tactics. Shot and fled, this is the quintessence, I think ...
- the ability to carry out multi-angle firing of targets in close air combat, as well as to conduct multichannel missile firing when conducting combat at long range; I think no one can say for sure, most likely even the Americans themselves, because in this WB neither in the near nor in the far, no Raptor participated.
- Automation control on-board information systems and jamming systems; I can’t say, but I think there is.
- increased combat autonomy due to the installation of a tactical situation indicator in the cockpit of a single-seat aircraft with the possibility of mixing information (that is, simultaneously outputting and superimposing “pictures” from different sensors on a single scale), as well as using telecode information exchange systems with external sources; It matches. Although, from my point of view, the point does not sound completely unambiguous, rather it is not autonomy, but a multitasking system.
- aerodynamics and airborne systems should provide the ability to change the angular orientation and trajectory of the aircraft without any noticeable delays, without requiring strict coordination and coordination of the movements of the governing bodies; Hmm ...
- the aircraft must “forgive” gross pilot errors in a wide range of flight conditions;
- the aircraft should be equipped with an automated control system at the level of solving tactical problems, having an expert mode "to help the pilot."

Summing up, we can say that according to the Russian classification, the F-22 is not a 5th generation fighter, at least due to the lack of Super maneuverability ... But that's all conventions))) It flies and its series has long ceased, but ours are just getting ready to mass production. Given the difference in years, our T-50 MUST be better.

[okko077]

The main criterion for a 5th generation aircraft is entry into an integrated information system with the ability to exchange information, transmit target designation in real time ... Our SU-57 is not a 5th generation aircraft due to the lack of such systems as such. All the other signs of the 5th generation are intended only for the successful fulfillment of this main function ... Without the information system that it enters, as the main link for obtaining information, there cannot be a 5th generation aircraft ... And all your little things this is a necessary condition, but not sufficient ... I hope they have not forgotten the math ...

[Zhelezyakin]

I say all these generations are conventions. Each state (I would even say the customer) has different requirements for them. Take for example - T-50 and F-22. Amers have no requirements with over-maneuverability. Ours have no integration requirements. According to their criteria, Sushka’s niche cannot be considered the 5th, according to our criteria, theirs ... You can argue endlessly, but the real combat qualities of the equipment are revealed, I apologize for the tautology, that’s the point in battle!

[NEXUS]

Quote: okko077

The main criterion for a 5th generation aircraft is entry into an integrated information system with the ability to exchange information, transmit target designation in real time.

You are broadcasting from article to article about network-centrism and the integration of military systems and arsenal into the information network ... question-What will happen to all this if the means of transmitting and receiving information are disabled? In a conflict with a strong adversary, who also has his own information network, the first blow will be dealt to satellites and communication means in order to blind, immobilize and disorganize the adversary’s forces. Hence the question. In which case, is a network-centric warfare using a single information field effective? And I will answer you, in the case of the obviously obvious technological backwardness of the enemy, such as Ukraine.
And your cries about integration into a common information network are very controversial. Since in the event of a conflict with an equal technological adversary, the first targets for destruction will be precisely the means of communication and integration. And after all the old fashioned way ...

[okko077]

So you acknowledge that the civil war in Ukraine would be stopped, or rather frozen and transferred to the political channel, and in Syria all issues would be resolved much faster if we had such systems? Is this not enough? After all, such a confrontation will continue ... And we are not ready ..... And the system in case of war breaks up into small parts and works even without satellites .... These are not screams, but the demand of the time associated with the desire to save lives soldiers and fight without combat contact ... This is the main thing !!!

[Soho]

okko077 November 21, 2017 13:12
The main criterion for a 5th generation aircraft is entry into an integrated information system with the ability to exchange information, transmit target designation in real time ... Our SU-57 is not a 5th generation aircraft due to the lack of such systems as such. All other signs of the 5th generation are intended only for the successful fulfillment of this main function ...

enough to carry bullshit. If you don’t know, then why are you clogging up the topic with "facts" and "arguments"?

[okko077]

Very convincing, and most importantly, reasoned ... No need to freak out ... I certainly understand that saying no is easier. Because if you say "yes," you need proof ... But this is not my fault .. So, if you blundered, then defend your position ... Is it clear ?!

[andrewkor]

Thank you for your support! A few years ago, Poghosyan spoke in this vein: Russia will make the 5th generation fighter later than the Americans, but better! "And for some reason I believe him!

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

The statistics in this matter are not in favor of the 5th generation ... Our IL-2 will easily plug him into a belt)))

By the number of dead pilots, too. Where the abandonment of the gunner cost so many lives and destroyed cars. Price is not the only criterion for evaluating effectiveness, otherwise why does Russia drive TU for a pair of Bedouins in slippers?

Quote: Zhelezyakin

over-maneuverability;

Melee is a thing of the past

[NEXUS]

Quote: Black5Raven

Melee is a thing of the past

As long as there are means of protection, and counteraction to complexes and guidance systems, as well as methods of evasion, jamming, etc., close combat will take place. A missile, its guidance system can be confused, an airplane radar can be blinded ... so long as all these factors take place, a dog fight will not be a simple expression.

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Black5Raven

By the number of dead pilots, too.

The scale of modern clashes is not the same, do not you? Not to mention the fact that the states choose obviously weak opponents as rivals, so that they could not give change ...

Quote: Black5Raven

Where giving up a gunner cost so many lives and wrecked cars

Strange, I always thought that the IL-2 was first delivered to the troops in a single-seat variant. Vanya was put behind the pilot after ... Yes, that's not the point, in general!

Quote: Black5Raven

Price is not the only criterion for evaluating effectiveness, otherwise why does Russia drive TU for a pair of Bedouins in slippers?

Everything comes down to the price (although there are different efficiencies). It’s worthwhile to train a pilot, too, but in modern aviation this is one of the most expensive articles.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

Strange, I always thought that the IL-2 was first delivered to the troops in a single-seat variant. Vanya was put behind the pilot after ... Yes, that's not the point, in general!

Refusal of a gunner at the aircraft development stage, I had in mind this fact. Extremely short-sighted and painful in the end.

Quote: Zhelezyakin

The scale of modern clashes is not the same, do not you? Not to mention the fact that the states choose obviously weak opponents as rivals, so that they could not give change ...

I find and for this reason wrote about the losses. It is not true to say that the IL-2 will be plugged in the belt PAK FA, F-22 and others for the price / effectiveness. If you compare, then the comparison should be with "peers." Times have changed.
And about opponents, and Russia chose equal opponents? Also no . There are no equal opponents for military superpowers.
Why should they fight with an equal adversary (of which there are already a few, a couple / three countries) and put their loved ones at risk, because nuclear weapons do not endure borders. And why, if all that they wanted to achieve can be achieved with much cheaper measures. Economic war is now much more profitable.

[Mar.Tirah]

You always know if a bad dancer is in the way!

[Viktorfi]

Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals.

Here are the radishes

[LSA57]

Quote: Viktorfi

Here are the radishes

put them in a corner. in the fifth

[pjastolov]

Quote: LSA57

put them in a corner. in the fifth

to the pentagon or what?

[LSA57]

Quote: pjastolov

to the pentagon or what?

let yours stand there

[IL-18]

And what? It's a shame! Nobody even wants to listen, they scored at full frequency.
Ignored sent.

[opus]

Quote: pjastolov

to the pentagon or what?

he meant point No.5

[opus]

Quote: Viktorfi

Here are the radishes

On June 19, the Russian Ministry of Defense stopped working with the Pentagon on a memorandum on preventing incidents in the sky over Syria due to the fact that an international coalition shot down a Syrian military aircraft.

I suggest F-22 pilots to use the flag signaling

Often, the Russian Aerospace Forces approach American aircraft at a line of sight and US Air Force pilots can watch Russian pilots from the cockpits, however, the process of identifying Russian fighters is difficult, especially at night, because Raptors are not always equipped with advanced electro-optical and infrared systems that are installed on more modern F-35

[newcomer]

and you, dear, please mom. everything is in order: mean, our VKS do everything at the highest level.

[Mountain shooter]

"Get a rocket in your belly, find out that they see you"
What are you doing there, in the Syrian sky? A striatum?

[rotmistr60]

Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals.

Our business is engaged in and it is not enough time for them to be distracted by conversations with someone. And if you want to talk like that, then create a negotiation platform where you can solve issues (if it will be interesting to us).

[Skay]

Tea was called American. Go Americans, learn Russian!

[Herculesic]

Someone who wipe his tears and snot closer, otherwise an adult uncle will drown in them! Fu22 you seem to have no analogue to the universal, so take advantage of what is available if your engineers do not have enough intelligence to put high-quality optics on the plane, and even more so, integrate it into a single information space. ...

[anjey]

Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals.

there is nothing to distract from the affairs of Russian pilots, and even stupid old jokes in English ..., or presses on the psyche, and suddenly they attack quietly silently, do not piss our method ....

[tchoni]

What can I say !? This opus, or, if you like, the cry of the soul of the brave American soldier clearly shows what the American pilots are afraid of, flying on "raptors" in the sky of Syria. And they are afraid of close air combat. Which, in general, is natural. And, still, they are afraid to get an unexpected person in the form of a sudden attack, for they sense that several of them are all tired ... and that our fists itch a little ...

[Viktorfi]

Quote: tchoni

And, still, they are afraid to get an unexpected person in the form of a sudden attack, for they sense that several of them have all given in.

It seems to me that Russian pilots are no less afraid of this, given the incident with Turkey ...

[newcomer]

it’s not noticeable that the fear of our pilots, judging by their actions. and bring down a bomber from an ambush (and even point blank), a great achievement of the aviation industry of the Yankees and the Ottoman pilot.

[Viktorfi]

Quote: newbie

it’s not noticeable that fear among our pilots, judging by their actions

According to US actions, too, unnoticed.

Quote: newbie

and bring down a bomber from an ambush (and even point blank), a great achievement of the aviation industry of the Yankees and the Ottoman pilot.

The problem is not whether achievement or not, but what they took and shot down. Suddenly their cock pecks again ..

[Yeah]

no longer pecks, bombers escort 35, so that without loss it doesn’t work, and they value their own skin and will not go for exchange

[newcomer]

but noticeable in their cries and complaints. and the consequences of the provocation could affect you.

[Viktorfi]

Quote: newbie

but noticeable in their cries and complaints

Different approaches. Some hold in themselves, others complain.

This, incidentally, is noticeable in the F35 and Su-57, the Americans are not afraid to publish information about the problems, and in Russia almost everything is kept secret.

Different approaches in general and in life and in other things.

[newcomer]

I completely agree. I do not see the difference between f22 and SU30 / 35. the difference in morale and how Bodrov used to say: “What is the strength, brother?”.

[Kurare]

Quote: Viktorfi

Americans are not afraid to publish information about problems, and in Russia almost everything is kept secret.

Like, by the way, in Israel. Reliable and complete information you also have seven seals. And it is right. Errors must be corrected and no longer repeated, and not be too slow in public!

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Viktorfi

It seems to me that Russian pilots are no less afraid of this, given the incident with Turkey ...

Shot stealthily, in the rear hemisphere, do you consider close air combat?

[Viktorfi]

Quote: Separ DNR

Shot stealthily, in the rear hemisphere, do you consider close air combat?

Did I write something about melee?

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Viktorfi

Did I write something about melee?

Sorry, misunderstood.

[newcomer]

and you, Separ, do not slow down. in the sense correctly spelled.

[tchoni]

That's just because of the incident with Turkey, our fight and charged. They were shot down, meanly stealthily. The Syrians were also shot down. Imagine: a person standing in line with you releases a crack and immediately begins to apologize. and so several times. Will you want to soap him with a pug? I think yes.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Viktorfi

Quote: tchoni

And, still, they are afraid to get an unexpected person in the form of a sudden attack, for they sense that several of them have all given in.

It seems to me that Russian pilots are no less afraid of this, given the incident with Turkey ...

The Turks, being almost allies in the fight against terrorists in Syria, did suddenly, shot down a bomber unarmed for air combat. Then we accompany all worthy fighters. Americans have never been our allies in Siri. They always expected meanness.
In addition, after the death of our people, we have S-300 and S-400 there, not counting the air defense means of a smaller radius of action.
Why, interestingly, after that, the Americans brought out the f-35, and do not fly on the f-22 in the area covered by our radars? Do not want to dishonor with their "invisibility"? Of course, we will not shoot down, but present evidence that .... they could. You would be very upset that you are buying shit for that kind of money.

[opus]

Quote: Viktorfi

It seems to me that Russian pilots are also afraid of it no less

You need to be baptized (or sho there), if it seems

Oaks added that Su-30, Su-35, Su-27, and Su-17 fighters made no attempt to attack US aircraft and coalition forces, but their proximity to ground forces seems threatening. According to him, Russian fighters regularly “hang” next to coalition forces for 20 – 30 minutes.

He noted that for the US military it is not always obvious whether intentionally or by mistake the Russians are experiencing the patience of the coalition, entering their air corridor. However, due to the decrease in ISIS-controlled territories as ground forces advance, such incidents are increasingly occurring.

In the event that Russian fighters make threatening maneuvers, American pilots "closely monitor" them to be ready to "act at the slightest hint of confrontation."

================
our scared

Russian Su-27 escorting the minister's aircraft, according to journalists who were on board.
It was a rainy day.
In the case of one of the aircraft, it has been shown. The F-27 then flew away.

[Dzungar]

Raptor sucks ....

[Dzungar]

If they don’t like something, let them clog in a corner and cry ....

[Odysseus]

Yes, the question of whether or not to equip the F-22 with the Link 16 transmitting module has a long history. On the one hand, this unmasks the aircraft, on the other hand, integration into a single information space is very important for a modern aircraft.
Here, these complaints seem to have as their goal the desire to get an order for the next F-22 upgrade.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Odyssey

Here, these complaints seem to have as their goal the desire to get an order for the next F-22 upgrade.

I agree on 100%. The US Air Force command has long sought to modernize the F-22 avionics, stressing that there has been a technological revolution since the mid-90's when these machines began to be manufactured.

[Going]

So in 2019, the budget will exceed 800 yards, the Pentagon is rubbing its hands.

[shans2]

This means that American pence and recipients of food stamps will lick their paws with hunger), as is usually the case with liberalists.

[xtur]

> Yes, the question of whether or not to equip the F-22 with the Link 16 transmitter has a long history.

this is all talk in favor of the poor, but in fact the most expensive fighter in history, advertised by no means, on behalf of which all US adherents fall into complete ecstasy and cease to accept signals from the outside world, it suddenly turns out:
1) useless at night
2) it does not meet one of the criteria of the fifth generation, because it does not have integration into the information environment
3) just made non-ergonomic

The level of cuts in the manufacture of new equipment in the USA is simply unattainable. It is curious how much they would additionally drink money to ensure that this plane would possess all the necessary qualities if they were given so much money.

Undershot

[cariperpaint]

Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals

I sometimes get stupid from such statements. how do they imagine it? we don’t see you but tell me where would you know? what nonsense is fabulous? do their pilots refuse the term military situation or something or just don’t understand what it is?

[Mih1974]

Well how are you how small for Merikas, the “combat situation” is when They see everyone, and Nobody And here it’s not at all a “combat situation” here, the mattress pilot has “intensified work of the sphincter and diaper overflow”

[Runoway]

This is all the lyrics and not the fact that the truth. More interesting: “Waffles are actually flying over Syria”, now the question to our know-how (s-400, su-30cm, su-35) is “SEE / DO NOT SEE” and how good it is

[Going]

Aircraft do not have a set of infrared devices and specialized optics capable of allowing observation at night.

There is nothing to hang around at night, sit at home.

[temirtau72]

Let them learn semaphore flags.
I saw Russian identification marks, jumped out onto the wing and a semaphore: "Turn! Turn! Turn! Here I am flying!"

[Pacifist]

I can't even tell if the Russians are monitoring this frequency or not.

Watching, Watching.
And they quietly laugh in a mask. 140 million bucks without OLS and with the usual walkie-talkie, without full integration through the link, it's just a holiday of some kind.

[AlexG83]

So they scored on the secrecy of the EPR? Or fly with lenses?

[Rostislav]

When the enemy complains, it always warms the soul.

[kartalovkolya]

Ay-ah-ah, this is some kind of disgrace, so to “offend” the most-most. Again, these Russians fly and fight not according to American rules: after all, the whole world is told that the F-22 is the best in the world and these Russians or do not understand or do not want to agree with this state of affairs! Well, at least cry to US pilots from such no respect and no understanding!

[ADmA_RUS]

How much was tryndezha about sensitivity)
Airplane without as they put it

a set of infrared devices and specialized optics that can allow monitoring at night.

not relevant since the 1990s.
From here, and the lack of piety, we have to stealth technology. What is the use of low visibility in a limited range, if it is visible in the IR spectrum for many tens of kilometers.

[NN52]

I understand he does not have a heat finder?

And Link 16 seems to be on it, it works only on reception. And what is their problem?

There are no tips from Avax?

[Artyom]

apparently yes! F-22 was originally created as an interceptor, and should work in conjunction with ground or air guidance stations. But I can’t believe that they don’t have a helmet with a target guidance and tracking system. They always boasted of it. True, they had a problem with the oxygen supply life system. I think our vengeance is using electronic warfare systems, and jam, and blind them to the fullest!

[aszzz888]

Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals.

... drooling ... great warriors, without diapers - nowhere ...

[novel66]

let Tom Cruise be summoned to himself - maybe he’ll at least teach them something

[Runoway]

Quote: Viktorfi

Quote: newbie

but noticeable in their cries and complaints

This, incidentally, is noticeable in the F35 and Su-57, the Americans are not afraid to publish information about the problems, and in Russia almost everything is kept secret.

Why be afraid ?! All the same, customers will not refuse contracts. Yes, and the Russians are not the aggressor will not attack them a hedgehog, understandably, throughout history we have only fought back.

[voyaka uh]

"there is no way to independently transmit information through the tactical system Link 16" ////

The main drawback of the F-22.
Now they are trying to upgrade them to work with Link16, but they have electronics of the 80s.
Everything modern connects very hard.

[NN52]

I’ll write again ....
The link is on it, but it works at the reception, it can accept information from others with the link.
The question is, if they know this problem, why do not they attract Avax at night, who sees everything far away, and could transmit information to the raptor in real time ....

And to finalize Link on the transfer, oh, how expensive it will be ....

[serge siberian]

AWAKS is worth the road. They are flying with the Russian Vedas and peeping: who farted where and where. Suddenly, it farts, and AWAKS is at the rate of the Russian ace and will blow them off course or stop breathing, they will break.

[ilkham77]

what are they flying and shouting at the matyukalnik, Russian, where are you?

[Reserve buildbat]

But the best and ONLY 5 fighter of the Xth generation, which has been in service for 20 for years, "and the cotton wool is nothing!"

[SPACE]

Quote: Stroibat stock

But the best and ONLY 5 fighter of the Xth generation, which has been in service for 20 for years, "and the cotton wool is nothing!"

NOT HAVING ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD !? And apparently, for a long time it will not have analogues, because such a log, fuck nobody needs

We have to literally turn our heads and look for someone else's plane, which we saw some time ago.

What was it? He's probably flying on a 5 generation maize

[Cheldon]

“We have to literally turn our heads and look for someone else’s plane, which we saw some time ago.” I will tell you the know-how: rear-view mirrors and there are no problems.

[Evil 55]

"Often we try to call Russian pilots to communicate, but they do not respond to signals."
Russians do not communicate with drug addicts, even by walkie-talkie ..

[atesterev]

World War I, Farman-IV Invisible Aircraft ...

[SerZh1972]

What now appears and the F-22 is ineffective?

[Oleg Petrov]

Americans would stay away from our pilots - they would be more intact.
Our guys are funny, I know firsthand many people - reckless - it will be very delicately said, one of my acquaintances pilot crayfish caught under water, and in order not to come up again - he put them in his swimming trunks (his !!!) - imagine. where will he put the Americans on occasion?

[Dart]

Do we often have komeski arrange press conferences? Something in comparison ....))))

[Mih1974]

I’ll tell you one "tale" - the "military" have their own "exchanges of wisdom" gatherings, and from one "fighter part" either the divisional commander or the regiment (I don’t remember, call) with his deputy in a "two-seater" fighter flew such "gathering", and so they "meddled" there, when when they approached the landing at their own airdrome, the "service" began to worry, as if they were "clumsily" landing, moreover, they didn’t steer from the strip, they just stopped at the end, everyone who rushed to the plane (scared seriously) until they got to the "gangway" - and no one gets out of the cockpit, well, the technician rushed to the top and almost immediately back - there is a divisional commander (or who was more important there) sitting in the pilot’s seat, well, YOURSELF no “no mo”, and his deputy just sleeps “like a dead man”.
Neither then, but much afterwards, none of the "service staff" nor of the pilots could understand - HOW did they get back at all and did not get killed during landing , because in fact "the crew - was killed in battle."

[Prisoner]

If an officer cried like that, then he received the "go-ahead" from his fathers-commanders. All budget tanks beg.

[enmesher]

It looks like a duck ...

[Sands Careers General]

It is now in trend, instead of making a more advanced technique, complaining. US Air Force officer whines like an outcast schoolgirl.

[Vadim Sh.]

The cowardly army of the DARKEST nation on the planet - that is what Trump Code had in mind about his army, an outrageous, worthless rabble of transgender people. Citing nigger monkey obamku - EXCLUSIVE nation.

[Venerma scott]

Let's all remember, for example, how Dzhokhar Dudaev was destroyed more than 20 years ago and all questions related to the Russian Air Force will become answers.

[karabas-barabas]

NEXUS,
NEXUS,
Nexus, you are a hamlo and dreamer living in a parallel world of your dreams.

[kig]

I wanted to read this article in the original, but it turned out that I had to register there and pay $ 99 for access to each section ....

[serge siberian]

xtur,
Even in 1996 in Chechnya, the infantry couldn’t communicate directly with artillery, different frequencies, only through their commanders. And so in all parts. Only in 98 they could establish a direct connection. At least so the guys said who was there.

[Mayorpcela]

But is this Yankee open?