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"Malchish-badish" and adults Ivana, not remembering kinship

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It seems that we have an antihero of the year. And he became them ... "penitent" student. Speaking in the Bundestag, a certain Kolya Desyatnichenko from Urengoy said that the Nazi soldiers "did not want to fight." In general, unfortunate soldiers after the "Stalingrad boiler" are now lying in unclean graves ...


"Malchish-badish" and adults Ivana, not remembering kinship


This “song” about “Wehrmacht's innocent killers” was voiced by the 19 boy in November at the central mourning rally organized by the People’s Union of Germany for the care of war graves. Wintershall, the sponsor of the school exchange project between the gymnasiums of Russia and Germany, became the other organizer of the event.

And this is not about some “ignorant”, but about one of the best students. He said that he had long been interested in history Germany that is looking for the history of German soldiers. And especially he was touched by the fate of one of them, named Georg. This was followed by the "touching" story of how the unfortunate fascist was surrounded in the "Stalingrad cauldron", and from there to the prisoner of war camp. He did not return from there, but died "from the harsh conditions of captivity." And the poor family of Georg learned about it only last year.

This is the story ... I wonder if this boy knows how many Red Army soldiers are missing? How many civilians were burned alive by such “unhappy Georgians”? And what was he taught at all in his family and school?

The young high school student added to his performance that he had visited German burial places near the city of Kopeisk. And there he was deeply moved: “This made me extremely upset because I saw the graves of innocent dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight. They had incredible difficulties that my great-grandfather told me about. ”

Ironically, the performance of the young antihero had exactly on the 75 anniversary of the Stalingrad offensive operation. Yes, and on the eve of the anniversary of the Nuremberg process, which began on November 20 1945. And it shocked the citizens even more.

Unfortunately, the example of Ukraine shows that much more terrible things begin with such an excuse for enemies — torchlight processions, glorifications of war criminals, then desecration of monuments, and then murders of people follow, as in Odessa in the House of Trade Unions. By the way, from the post-Ukraine Ukraine there are again disappointing news - The second time this month in Kiev, the Eternal Flame was poured with cement ... It is unlikely that it will anger our pitiful boy Kohl, who is crying about the untidy graves of “innocent soldiers of the Wehrmacht”.

Of course, you can say that "the child has nothing to do with it." So he was raised by adults. The deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Elena Kukushkina said: “I am not more worried about this boy, but who was in charge of his project ... These things need to be nipped in the bud».

The mayor of New Urengoy, Ivan Kostogriz, for his part, called for an end to the persecution of the schoolchild, who called for "a peaceful existence throughout the Earth and rejection of war, bloodshed, fascism, suffering and violence as such."

Nikolay's mother justifies his son by saying that at the last moment his speech had to be cut from 10 minutes to 2's. As a result, "he was misunderstood." And she made this speech with her son together, and there was a story in her about her great-grandfather-veteran. Well, it was possible not to talk about the "innocent" fascists, but to tell about the great-grandfather. But in the end, they left words about the “poor” George, and not about the veteran who fought with these “Georgians”.

History has already reached the State Duma of Russia. Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Education and Science of the State Duma Boris Chernyshov said that the teachers did not work with the boy for his speech. "The prosecutor's office must figure out how and what the youth are taught, which organizations work in Russia“- said the deputy.

You can write off the performance of the high school student on the very "simplicity, which is worse than theft." But really, not only Kolya is to blame. Blame adults. And not only those who are directly involved with this particular teenager.

Blame "Ivana, not remembering kinship," which divorced a lot after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Those who invite various “political scientists” to the Russian television who openly justify fascism on the TV screen are to blame. Those who equate Stalin to Hitler, creating absolute confusion in the brains of the younger generation. Those who make controversial films, such as "Bastards", which show touching, but made-up stories. Those who put the topic of political repression above the topic of the feat of Soviet soldiers. All this confusion and generates speeches about "innocent German soldiers."

Kohl's particular boy can be reduced to the Piskarevsky cemetery in Leningrad (yes, we will call this city the very name by which he became famous for his resilience). You can "fill up" with his books - such as "Young Guard", "Street of the younger son", "The Unbowed", "Strong in spirit" and many others ... Arrange for him a film show with documentary films about the crimes of fascism.

But what to do with adults who in childhood probably read books, and watched movies, but cast dirt on the history of our country quite consciously and certainly not unselfishly? Finally, it is on them that the main fault lies with the fact that the younger generation takes a different attitude to what would seem to be unshakable.
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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 22 November 2017 12: 10 New
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    When I found out who his mentor (“refugee”) from Lugansk University was, everything fell into place. Dance Russia, and weep Europe, and here we have, and we have full ,,,,,! Many people pity him, they say what are you fighting with the boy? But the boy is the consequences .. Main ideologists. who, instead of correcting the errors, insist on their rightness. Here they are the counterpoint that needs to be destroyed. before it's too late.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 22 November 2017 12: 14 New
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      Yesterday there was already an article on VO about this. The second time I do not want to comment on all this abomination. It's disgusting.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 17 New
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        NOW AND HERE
        Made in Russia! Simple, simple
        Russophobes write speeches for children,
        Russophobia is paid to children - and for good reason:
        They are being transported to Europe, simply put,
        Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!
        Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -
        Hatred of Russia to drag in children,
        So that they star, with the spirit of soaring,
        They were given a muzzle of guilt not in vain -
        Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!
        Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -
        Russophobes are eager to consume children,
        Children's columns this consumer
        Will lead to a rally - hatred for:
        Hatred of Russia - the face of Hitler!
        Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -
        Surrendered to Russophobes, surrendered children,
        There is not a drop of the latest news in this!
        These captive children are told to get in for a reason
        The fault is the muzzle that Hitler has!
        Made in Russia! Simple, simple
        The rate of Russophobia is only on children,
        To blame the muzzle, simply put,
        Put on the children, soaring,
        And they traveled all over the planet for good reason
        Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!
        Yunna Moritz
        1. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 22 November 2017 12: 34 New
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          Copied from the Internet: "While some were ashamed of Stalin, those who were proud of Hitler came"
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 November 2017 12: 41 New
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            Quote: Hoc vince
            Copied from the Internet: "While some were ashamed of Stalin, those who were proud of Hitler came"

            What is surprising if Mein Kampf rivals Harry Potter in terms of number of publications and circulation.
            At the same time, our authorities do not want to think anything about either the education or the patriotic education of youth. Apparently they believe that the Victory Parade and the Immortal Regiment are quite enough.
            On television, any idiocy in the form of House-2 is played, but they don’t want to show the film Ordinary Fascism, because it’s not a rated film.
            Ugh.
            1. Zibelew
              Zibelew 22 November 2017 12: 56 New
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              The performance of the undergrowth is too well consistent with the desire of the West to put on the same level the USSR and fascist Germany to consider it an accident. In the Bundestag, the verdict was read out to our education and upbringing system, built according to Western recipes and Western grants. Meanwhile, to uphold the correct understanding of our own history in our own country is very important. After all, if we ourselves betray, forget, pervert the memory and understanding of that war, then we will not hold on to today's Russian Federation.
              1. Sergey-svs
                Sergey-svs 22 November 2017 13: 14 New
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                Quote: Zibelew
                The performance of the undergrowth is too well consistent with the West’s desire to put on the same level the USSR and fascist Germany to consider it an accident. The sentence of our education and training system, built according to Western recipes and Western grants, was read in the Bundestag ...

                The reaction of Russian society to the snotty repentance of the "conscientious boy Kolya" is just very healthy. good The memory of the Great War, the feat of soldiers and generals, the memory of the victims of the people forms just those braces of the spiritual values ​​of the national identity of our people. yes It’s just the bonds that hate journalists are trying to make fun of, and other “grantosos” from Echo of Moscow and Radio Liberty, as well as the Russian liberal-bureaucratic “elite” that supports them! negative
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 22 November 2017 19: 05 New
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                  Quote: Sergey-svs
                  The reaction of Russian society to the snotty repentance of the "conscientious boy Kolya" is just very healthy.

                  Yes?????????
                  you read the reaction of any "ears"
              2. AA17
                AA17 22 November 2017 18: 34 New
                +7
                Dear Zibelew. "... After all, if we ourselves betray, forget, pervert the memory and understanding of that war, we will not hold on to today's Russian Federation ..." - these are very correct and accurate words. But our current Power and we, the citizens of Russia (the majority), have different "understandings of that war." I looked through the news today - I wanted to find the attitude of officials from the authorities to this student’s speech. So far, few have spoken out, but the position of some officials has surprised: Peskov speaks of an incomprehensible reason for the large-scale “exalted bullying of a boy”, the Minister of Education Vasilyeva declared that bullying of a child is “inadmissible, especially by those vested with power,” and according to the head of Novy Urengoy Ivan Kostogriz, “a boy spoke of peace and rejection of war. ” According to these people, nothing bad happened. The position of the authorities will be understandable if we take into account the following information: "... Smirnov (director of the Institute of Political Sociology) notes that the topic is explosive also because the official position of Russia regarding the Great Patriotic War is somewhat different from the everyday position of people." "German soldiers aren’t always on the same line with fascism as official propaganda, they can stand separately. In the everyday sense, it’s much simpler to say" death to fascism ", people don’t emphasize any subtleties," says Smirnov. He believes that the statement Peskova and Vasilyeva will be able to pacify deputies and officials who perfectly understand the teams, but they won’t stop bloggers anymore. "Power is not authority for them, moreover, for them it is a new reason to update the question" why winners live worse than losers, "says sociologist..."
                So you are right, we have two understandings of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. This is the official (imperious) version and the household (popular) version. According to these understandings, the definition of OWN-ALIEN is happening now.
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 22 November 2017 14: 40 New
              +5
              not rated movie.
              It's not about the ratings. at their own expense will show the glorification of Nazism and humiliate the Union.
            3. DPN
              DPN 22 November 2017 20: 09 New
              +3
              Apparently believe that the Victory Parade and the Immortal regiment is quite
              This is all that so far unites the Russians, after the fair distribution of the public heritage of the USSR.
            4. Sinbad
              Sinbad 22 November 2017 21: 52 New
              +2
              So what's so surprising about this. Who owns the TV channels, he orders the "music".
      2. Alber
        Alber 22 November 2017 15: 14 New
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        Quote: Stock Officer
        Yesterday there was already an article on VO about this. The second time I do not want to comment on all this abomination. It's disgusting.

        Quote: Mar. Tira
        When I found out who his mentor (“refugee”) from Lugansk University was, everything fell into place. Dance Russia, and weep Europe, and here we have, and we have full ,,,,,! Many people pity him, they say what are you fighting with the boy? But the boy is the consequences .. Main ideologists. who, instead of correcting the errors, insist on their rightness. Here they are the counterpoint that needs to be destroyed. before it's too late.

        And who is to blame for all the rubbish?
        Officials and guilty, government, ministers ...
        These Midian, wise, and other loafers of the Nabeulkin, Panfilov, Golikov ...
        What do senators do? Yes, the same parliamentarians
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 22 November 2017 16: 18 New
          +2
          You and I are to blame for all this rubbish, and senators-senators are parliamentarians-parliamentarians
          t ....
          At school, or rather in the school curriculum, there was a question about the First World War ... and there was an answer that the First World War was one of the prerequisites for the HRV of 1917. And the FSE and not a word about world impeiolism, nor about my own grandfather who lost his leg for ,, Tsar and the Fatherland '', but oh well ..
          my father 1924-1963: from Minsk to Berlin on foot
          mother and grandfather were stolen in fascist Germany ...
          stepfather - the village of Stankovo ​​was burnt by Ukrainians (stepfather and two girls were able to escape)
          My president’s father died in the Second World War (according to him), otherwise he was born in the 50s, nobody cares ...
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 22 November 2017 17: 20 New
            +2
            Your president lost an older brother in the blockade of Leningrad. Not far away you have gone from Kolya’s boy. Is it not from the same gymnasium? belay
      3. Cadet
        Cadet 22 November 2017 15: 26 New
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        This morning, his fellow countrymen from Urengoy stood up for him in the department, that the boy had done such a thing, and why they attacked him, etc., these people, standing up for him, themselves do not understand what they are saying.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 22 November 2017 15: 31 New
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          Quote: Cadet
          interceded by his fellow countrymen from Urengoy

          And you let them read, there are three articles to choose from here in the VO, let them look at the comments, who they consider the "boy" Kolya, those who prepared him, and equally themselves. How much they seek to justify him.
          1. Cadet
            Cadet 22 November 2017 18: 34 New
            +4
            They will not read, because they consider themselves very smart people and educated, and that the boy expressed an opinion and they spread rot if one of the intercessors said in the morning that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk were his friends and I saw you with your opinion, saying that I lifted the north from 80s, and you still weren’t in the project, don’t teach life, got up and left. And we had a conversation in the office of the deputy that they supposedly did not behave diplomatically and blah blah blah.
    2. Vend
      Vend 22 November 2017 12: 36 New
      +7
      He said that he had been interested in the history of Germany for a long time, that he was looking for the stories of German soldiers.
      Here is the answer to all the questions. Elementary worship of Germany. I had a fellow student who worshiped Napoleon. I was ready to sing praises according to any of his actions.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 12: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        I had a fellow student who worshiped Napoleon.

        So during his life it was the same, the people in front of him stood up to all four, the personality was simply enchantingly strong ...
        He was mistaken, by and large, for the one and only time - when he believed in his "quietness" and climbed to us laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 November 2017 12: 59 New
          +5
          sorry, did not meet with Suvorov, face, so to speak. to face
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 13: 19 New
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            Quote: novel xnumx
            sorry, did not meet with Suvorov, face, so to speak. to face

            It’s hard to say what would happen there. On the one hand, Napoleon gave far more battles than Suvorov and won the vast majority of them. On the other hand, strictly speaking, in tactics, Napoleon introduced a number of innovations that are ahead of Suvorov's views.
            But on the third side ... the fact is that Suvorov is Suvorov. Like it or not, but according to the military genius, Suvorov was a cut above both Kutuzov and Benigsen, and in fact both of them could reduce the battle with Napoleon in a draw (I'm talking about Borodino and Preisish-Eylau). And even if they did it, what would Suvorov do?
            I can not guarantee, but I - for Suvorov.
            1. novel66
              novel66 22 November 2017 14: 02 New
              +6
              I also hi soldier with both hands
        2. Vend
          Vend 22 November 2017 13: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Quote: Wend
          I had a fellow student who worshiped Napoleon.

          So during his life it was the same, the people in front of him stood up to all four, the personality was simply enchantingly strong ...
          He was mistaken, by and large, for the one and only time - when he believed in his "quietness" and climbed to us laughing

          More than once he was mistaken. But it's not that. On the basis of worship, a lot of nonsense is done.
      2. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 22 November 2017 13: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: Wend
        Elementary worship of Germany

        Rather, it’s not just a sincere and disinterested admiration, but a desire to please future employers.
        The boy, and I am sure his parents and mentors, understand well what interpretation of history is now in trend in the Russian Federation. Namely, to denigrate and defame the Soviet Union, to equalize the Soviet system and its leaders with the Nazis. They pay for it, give orders for films and books (from our pocket by the way), and in the future you can count on a good career.
        Well, of course, it is likely that such zeal will be appreciated by the Germans, in the form of a grant for an “honest and devoid of political bias” study.
        1. Vend
          Vend 22 November 2017 15: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          Quote: Wend
          Elementary worship of Germany

          Rather, it’s not just a sincere and disinterested admiration, but a desire to please future employers.
          The boy, and I am sure his parents and mentors, understand well what interpretation of history is now in trend in the Russian Federation. Namely, to denigrate and defame the Soviet Union, to equalize the Soviet system and its leaders with the Nazis. They pay for it, give orders for films and books (from our pocket by the way), and in the future you can count on a good career.
          Well, of course, it is likely that such zeal will be appreciated by the Germans, in the form of a grant for an “honest and devoid of political bias” study.

          Most likely this too. Sincere worship gives rise to a sincere desire to please and an even more sincere desire to receive a grant.
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 22 November 2017 13: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      But the kid is the consequences ..

      Such "consequences" then go to power and write "laws", but the consequences of this "consequences" are then felt by the whole country.
  2. Valery Minsk
    Valery Minsk 22 November 2017 12: 24 New
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    This is a memorial in the village of Krasny Bereg in the Gomel region: neat white desks made of concrete. The school class, from which the river of children's blood flows ... During the war there was one of the most terrible concentration camps: the Germans gathered Belarusian children aged 4 to 15 years from neighboring areas to transfuse their blood to wounded Germans in hospitals.
    Mostly blood was taken from the veins, but here, in the Red Coast, a new, “scientific” method of blood sampling was tested. The children were hung under the arms, squeezed chest. To prevent blood clotting, they made a special injection. The skin on the feet was incised or completely removed, and all the blood drained into the airtight baths.
    Then the "waste material" - the bodies of the children - was taken away and burned. Nearly 2000 children went through this terrible place. Only 9 people survived ...
    The memorial occupies a small area among apple orchards. The sculpture of a girl who threw up her arms in an attempt to defend herself, “Dead Class”, a boat of an unfulfilled dream, stained glass from children's drawings - and a map of children's concentration camps in Belarus. The Red Beach was not alone. There were 11 of them.
    1. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 22 November 2017 12: 34 New
      11
      Valera !!! Bow to you !!!
      Countryman from Vitebsk ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 22 November 2017 12: 39 New
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        Valery Minsk ... his throat was seized, tears flowed ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 42 New
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          Quote: Dead Day
          my throat was seized, tears flowed

          I was in Khatyn ... it’s already like an adult, it seems I’ve seen everything bloody, but from the feeling of that abyss of horror that is there ... I will never forget my feelings and understanding of the feat that our grandfathers did, defeating all this inhumanity in the form Black Reich ..
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 13: 06 New
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            Quote: badens1111
            I was in Khatyn ...

            Yes, what’s there ... We have in open sale (at least lay) the book "SS in action" There are mainly collections of documents on the actions of the SS - all this information about concentration camps, well, there are how many dozens of clothes wagons killed in This month was sent to the Reich. Or in winter we drove the train, unloaded people, stripped it, doused it with water, sent it in the snow for so many kilometers to a concentration camp, we considered with interest the percentage of those who survived ...
            In general, this is the only book in my life that I have not been able to read to the end. I wanted it, just just out of respect for the fallen, but ... I couldn’t
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 13: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: the grandson of the hero
        Valera !!! Bow to you !!!
        Countryman from Vitebsk ...

        Join us!
    2. figwam
      figwam 22 November 2017 13: 08 New
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      Valery Minsk

      I read a lot about atrocities, but in order to squeeze out of children in this way ...
      Thanks to our grandfathers who gave us the right to live on earth.
    3. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 22 November 2017 13: 17 New
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      Send Peskov ....
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 22 November 2017 21: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: SCHWERIN
        Send Peskov ....

        He won’t understand ... he has a daughter in France, so he will be sent to the wrong address ...
    4. Azis
      Azis 28 November 2017 19: 22 New
      0
      It may be like you (I not only Valery, but the whole of Belarus), save the Memory. Unfortunately, in other ex-USSR, including Russia, with the tacit consent they began not only to forget, but also to keep silent the Victims and That Feat. The maximum is to paint the central monument of the city with oil paint on May 9 and cut the money allocated for this
      1. Azis
        Azis 28 November 2017 19: 32 New
        0
        I just showed it to my son. Neither I nor he knew about it. Thanks you. We are looking for additional materials, we will remember in my family.
  3. svp67
    svp67 22 November 2017 12: 29 New
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    This was followed by a “touching” story about how an unfortunate fascist was surrounded in the “Stalingrad Cauldron”,
    In the text of this "boy", "Stalingrad Cauldron" is called "so-called" ... I just have no words.
    And someone will finally announce the leadership list of this delegation, who was responsible for what.
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 12: 31 New
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    They ate short - enchanting madhouse. If they ate longer, then the commentators “with large shoulder straps” shock - only yesterday, some lady from education spoke in the perspective that the boy should not be poisoned, and in general in the Great Patriotic War one must be treated without ideology, moreover, Madame emphasized this thesis many times.
    Shame ....
    And there’s only one way out. Do not get tired, do not be lazy and repeat again and again about the role of the USSR and the unparalleled feat of our grandfathers in that war. Speak reasonably, citing figures and facts, destroy myths about the Second World War, which multiply in numbers (well, the dead have already reached 50 million)
    In fact, our leadership has a definite trend today, and it looks like this - under the tsar, it’s good, but in the USSR it was bad. They are trying to prevent completely anti-Soviet revelry, because they realized that the Russian Federation is among the enemies, here it is necessary to cultivate patriotism in the electorate. But still digging under the USSR.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 35 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In fact, our leadership has a definite trend today, and it looks like this - under the tsar, it’s good, but in the USSR it was bad. They are trying to prevent completely anti-Soviet revelry, because they realized that the Russian Federation is among the enemies, here it is necessary to cultivate patriotism in the electorate. But still digging under the USSR.

      Sadly ... but everything goes ... according to such a scenario ...
      From the Internet.
      - Understand, Stirlitz, the truly enormous significance of this event. We cooked it 30 ... no, 70 years! And so it happened. A Russian boy within the walls of the Reichstag repents for Stalin's crimes against Germany. It’s like Churchill’s new Fulton speech. Scheinins, old men, Solovyovs can now jump and yell as much as they like. These are screams after the departing train. The thing is done, and this stuffing cannot be turned back. Speech in the Reichstag was seen by the whole world. And Sheinin’s jumps are seen only by ten million housewives cooking cabbage soup. Now the road is open for Kontrnürnberg, which we will spend in Ulyanovsk or Gori ... Stirlitz, I will probably drink a glass of my beloved Russian vodka. And you massage my head ...
      and like that.
      Now patriotism of several levels: .. 1. November 4.11.1612, 7.11.1917– on November 2, 7.11.1917– is considered a patriot ... 22.06.1941. from November 3.22.06.1941, 09.05.1945 to June 09.05.1945, 21.08.1991, this is not a patriot. link to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX- patriot. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX..that is not a patriot ... Our ideology of patriotism is divided into time periods ... S.- it is patriotic and from - to not patriotic .. not an ideology, but a conflict of the left and right cerebral hemispheres ..
      Moreover, this conflict planted the whole country ..
      And do not be surprised at Kolya’s speech, let alone outraged, we’re going to this ... Country 404 came to this faster, we will come to this too ... You see how the president is referred to ...
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 13: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: badens1111
        Now patriotism of several levels: .. 1. November 4.11.1612, 7.11.1917– on November 2, 7.11.1917– is considered a patriot ... 22.06.1941. from November 3.22.06.1941, 09.05.1945 to June 09.05.1945, 21.08.1991, this is not a patriot. link to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - patriot. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX..this is not a patriot ..

        good drinks
        I could not say better
    2. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 22 November 2017 12: 38 New
      +5
      And there’s only one way out. Do not get tired, do not be lazy and repeat again and again about the role of the USSR and the unparalleled feat of our grandfathers in that war.

      The reaction will be exactly the opposite. It’s like you teens don’t know.
      And the more victory, the more among the youth there will be sympathy for the Fritz.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 13: 00 New
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        Quote: Dzmicer
        The reaction will be exactly the opposite. It’s like you teens don’t know.

        I know teenagers and I know how public opinion is formed. The information background is of great importance. In other words, if a significant, or even better, the overwhelming amount of Internet information contains truthful information about that war, then there will be very few such "Ivanes who do not remember kinship" within the margin of error.
        Quote: Dzmicer
        And the more victory

        Why are you so infuriated by our Victory?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 13: 58 New
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          Andrey from Chelyabinsk Today, 13:00 ↑
          Why are you so infuriated by our Victory?
          Well, apparently because she is ours!
          By the way, he is not alone in VO, there are not a few idolaters of the Nazis who have been entrenched recently.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 14: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            By the way, he is not alone in VO, there are not a few idolaters of the Nazis who have been entrenched recently.

            I agree. So their lies are necessary ... In general, do not be lazy to arrange "sessions of magic with subsequent exposure"
          2. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 22 November 2017 14: 38 New
            +4
            What makes you think that I am the "idolater" of the Nazis? Both the German National Socialists and the Bolsheviks are equally disgusting to me. Both those and other criminals guilty of extermination of the Russian people.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 14: 47 New
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              Quote: Dzmicer
              Both the German National Socialists and the Bolsheviks are equally disgusting to me.

              Didn’t you try to learn history? :)))) It’s advisable, not according to Solzhenitsyn? :))) Or is it like that, on top, as in the case of Kiev mining? :)))
              I have seen a lot of people sharing your views. But the misfortune - the vast majority of them hate the Bolsheviks - is primary. That is, they do not teach history in order to know it, but seek in history the basis for their hatred. And if in this case the facts say the opposite - well, so much the worse for the facts!
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 22 November 2017 14: 50 New
                +3
                Attitude to the Bolsheviks is not a matter of history, it is a matter of morality and ethics. And here either you accept evil or not.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 14: 54 New
                  14
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  Attitude to the Bolsheviks is not a matter of history, it is a matter of morality and ethics.

                  I’m talking about that, your hatred of them is primary. Everything else you adjust for it
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 22 November 2017 14: 55 New
                    +3
                    The same can be said of guitarism.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 22 November 2017 15: 18 New
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                      Quote: Dzmicer
                      The same can be said of guitarism.

                      Oh ... yes, you are not yet literate in addition ... "HITERRISM" is spelled correctly, but it seems to you that this very Hitlerism is much closer in spirit, for who, if not Hitler with his horde, tried to destroy Russia you hated so much . which was Bolshevik at that time.
                      You are the same ... like all amnueli and others, the current accomplices of anti-Soviet and Russophobia.
                      You from May 9 for me, right in the cramps throws ..
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 22 November 2017 15: 43 New
                        +5
                        Sorry for the rough writing)
                        this very Hitlerism is much closer in spirit, for who, if not Hitler with his horde, tried to destroy Russia, so hated by you

                        The USSR is not Russia. The Nazis were going to exterminate my people - the Russian people - and therefore I hate them.
                        Before them, the Bolsheviks were successfully engaged in the same extermination of the Russian people - therefore, I also have a natural hatred for them.
                        You from May 9 for me, right in the cramps throws ..

                        I am not annoyed by Victory Day, the cattle who use this sad holiday as a justification for the need for genocide of the Russian people annoy me.
                        Why did they kill priests and destroy temples? - But the victory!
                        Why destroyed / forced to flee the best sons of Russia - Victory!
                        Why was the land taken from the peasants, and those who resisted were either killed or sent to the sunny resorts of Siberia and Kazakhstan? - Victory!
                        Why did you enter into an alliance with Nazi Germany? - But Victory, and you're a fascist! Shut up already!
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 November 2017 20: 35 New
                        +3
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Russia. Which was Bolshevik at that time.

                        Russia was non-partisan at that moment, and the Bolsheviks simply seized power, but were not the majority.
                      3. badens1111
                        badens1111 22 November 2017 21: 15 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Dzmicer
                        I don’t get annoyed with Victory Day, cattle get me crazy

                        There is such a character, Lakhnovsky, so here you are, a copy.
                        And it’s not for you, the spiritual heirs of the red and the hairy, to shout Victory and the Memory of the folded heads in that terrible war with your tongue.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Russia was non-partisan at that moment, and the Bolsheviks simply seized power, but were not the majority.

                        Tell this to those in the trenches, wrote- "If I die in the attack, please consider me a communist."
                        Tell this to the two compositions of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks that lay in the ground for the Victory, tell it to two million Komsomol members, Alexander and Zoya Kosmodemyansky, Alexander Matrosov, the Barbashov brothers. 7 brothers laid down in the ground so that you would live and not trash their names.
                        Do not be like Lahnovsky.
                    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 15: 29 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Dzmicer
                      The same can be said of guitarism.

                      On your part - perhaps on my part - no. I base my attitude on documents and so on, what does emotion have to do with it?
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 22 November 2017 15: 45 New
                        +4
                        I base my attitude on documents and so on.

                        As I.
                        And these documents and facts clearly indicate that Bolshevism is definitely an absolute evil. There is no excuse for that.
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 22 November 2017 16: 18 New
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                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I base my attitude on documents and so on, what does emotion have to do with it?

                        You yes ... but this one ...
                        Quote: Dzmicer
                        And these documents and facts clearly indicate that Bolshevism is definitely an absolute evil. There is no excuse for that.

                        Apparently regrets the execution of Krasnov and Vlasov, skin and other panvitsa.
                        And reads entirely memoirs of the broken Nazi bastard.
                        Or the ravings of Igor Chubais with a brewer steamed
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 22 November 2017 20: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                But the misfortune - the vast majority of them hate the Bolsheviks - is primary.

                It’s like in horse racing, the horse wins, but the jockey receives the medal, and in the Great Patriotic War, the people defeated, and the Bolsheviks are praised.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 22 November 2017 20: 50 New
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                  Quote: Setrac
                  so in the Great Patriotic War, the people defeated, and praise the Bolsheviks.

                  Do you even know how many Communists died on the fronts of the war. Do you know that the communist at the front had only one privilege - was this the first to attack?
                  Or are you like that boy Kolenka who does not remember kinship?
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 22 November 2017 21: 16 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Or are you like that boy Kolenka who does not remember kinship?

                    So.
                    In their anti-Sovietism, they are slipping into the positions of those against whom they allegedly oppose, not understanding what they are doing ..
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 22 November 2017 22: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Or are you like that boy Kolenka who does not remember kinship?

                      My kinship was just non-partisan and I sneezed on your communist agitation. Democrats (the West) shout about their role in the Victory, the Communists about their own, and millions of dead non-partisan heroes remained unknown.

                      P.S. The Communists ruined the USSR.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 22 November 2017 22: 32 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Communists ruined the USSR

                        This stupidity is already tired of reading. The traitors of the country have names and their own words. That they were never communists.
                        So continue to demonstrate a split .. in the understanding of what happened and blow into the flames of outspoken opponents of the country. What is different from Kolenka if you, in essence, correspond to what was said in the film, through the lips of Basilashvili, who played Lakhnovsky, but essentially played himself, how he screamed KILL, in 1993, only Akhedzhakova screamed ...
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 22 November 2017 21: 32 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Do you even know how many Communists died on the fronts of the war.

                    And how many non-partisans died - this is an unimaginable number.
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Do you know that the communist at the front had only one privilege - was this the first to attack?

                    Tell this to those who believe that the Communists did not have any special duties compared to non-partisans, well, except for the obligation to carry out communist propaganda.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 22 November 2017 22: 33 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Setrac
                      the Communists did not have any special duties compared to non-partisans, well, except for the obligation to carry out communist propaganda.

                      How would you please say .., well, probably Learn, study and study!
                      I want to tell you that the Monument to the Unknown Soldier does not personify party affiliation.
                      But this inscription was hardly written by the Communists:
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 November 2017 22: 53 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        But this inscription was hardly written by the Communists:

                        And where is the "for the party"?
                    2. badens1111
                      badens1111 22 November 2017 22: 36 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Tell this to those who believe that the Communists did not have any special duties compared to non-partisans, well, except for the obligation to carry out communist propaganda.

                      Do you even understand what nonsense you are writing?
                      One of the most famous photos of the Second World War. Junior political instructor Alexei Eremenko raises fighters to attack, the next instant he will be killed. The photo was named "Combat" by the author of the photo by mistake. Max Alpert managed to take a couple of shots of the commander, who raised the soldier in the attack, and then a shell fragment broke the camera. The photographer decided that the frames were spoiled, and did not write down the name of the person whom he photographed. Later, showing the film, he saw that the frame was excellent. The photographer remembered how he had heard in that battle that they had transmitted “They killed a battalion commander” in the ranks and decided that it was the battalion commander who was photographed. Only after the photo became world famous under the name “Combat”, the hero was identified in the picture: Alexey Gordeevich Eremenko, born in 1906.
                      http://myhistori.ru/blog/43607080662/Komissaryi-v
                      -Krasnoy-Armii
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 November 2017 22: 55 New
                        +2
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Junior political instructor Alexei Eremenko raises fighters to attack, the next instant he will be killed.

                        And how many non-party heroes do you know? Not at all? Communist propaganda was silent? Here is bliiiin.
        2. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 22 November 2017 14: 00 New
          +3
          In other words, if a significant, or even better, the overwhelming amount of Internet information contains truthful information about that war, then there will be very few such "Ivanes who do not remember kinship" within the margin of error.

          By truth, of course, you mean propaganda, right?
          Because if "the overwhelming amount of Internet information contains truthful data", then the number of zygomets can only increase. For example, leaving Kiev, the Red Army mined it without warning civilians. Whose houses the day after the occupation of the city by the Germans began to explode, collapse and burn without dismantling the Germans and Russians.
          Why are you so infuriated by our Victory?

          1. Yours? Did you personally take Berlin?
          2. Victory does not “infuriate” me. Annoyed by people who tripled from this tragic event "with tears in their eyes" either a cult, or a carnival, or both at the same time. Holiday, literally, on human bones.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 14: 28 New
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            Quote: Dzmicer
            By truth, of course, you mean propaganda, right?

            The truth is understood as the result of many years of studying sources, both documentary and memoirs, both on that and on the other hand.
            Quote: Dzmicer
            Because if "the overwhelming amount of Internet information contains truthful data", then the number of zygomets can only increase.

            Alas, this nonsense analysis is not confirmed.
            Quote: Dzmicer
            For example, leaving Kiev, the Red Army mined it without warning civilians.

            Right. Only now you forgot to point out that along with the mine houses (and it was mainly residential buildings and other buildings and structures that predominantly mined), several NKVD reconnaissance and sabotage groups remained in Kiev, which, apparently, controlled the explosions. But alas, no one seems to have gathered information about civilian casualties - the Germans did not need this. Thus, it is impossible to assess the loss of our people.
            Most likely there was the following - since many people were evacuated from Kiev, it was the empty houses that were mined, especially since they themselves “asked for” the deployment of German troops. And the detonation was carried out by the soldiers of the NKVD. Interestingly, even that same unknown worker who warned the Germans about mines was quite possibly from the NKVD
            Of course, a certain number of civilians probably died - by chance, or from the spread of fires. This is war. When we conquered the cities, we fired on the streets, sometimes even from cannons, and there were also civilian casualties during the liberation battles. Only here you do not pour crocodile tears on them. The blame for their death lies not with the fighters of the red army, but with the fascist invaders.
            It was . But such a mythology
            Quote: Dzmicer
            Whose houses the day after the occupation of the city by the Germans began to explode, collapse and burn without dismantling the Germans and Russians

            need to crush in the bud.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 22 November 2017 15: 26 New
              +9
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Right. Only now you forgot to specify

              There is no colleague, he has not "forgotten" anything, everything fits clearly into the framework of the doctrine — to ruin everything related to the Great Patriotic War, to humiliate the Red Army. People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, all our soldiers and whitewash the Nazis and their accomplices to the maximum.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              need to crush in the bud.

              And you are right the bearers of this ideology, you just need to crush until the betrayal virus has infected the whole country.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 November 2017 14: 52 New
            +8
            Holiday, literally, on human bones.
            Marshals of that Victory, Victory was celebrated once and began to rebuild the country. Then the colonels came to power, they wanted to remember those years, at least watch the film "Belorussky Station". But now the Vlasovites are in power, and so they started a victory.
            1. Dzmicer
              Dzmicer 22 November 2017 15: 47 New
              +6
              Marshals of that Victory, Victory was celebrated once and began to rebuild the country.

              Exactly. Otherwise, those who remembered the VICTORY PRICE would lift them up with bayonets.
              But now the Vlasovites are in power, and so they started a victory.

              It is also correctly noticed. The most logical actions and policies of the Russian authorities are explained if these authorities are perceived as occupational.
              Education and science are destroyed.
              Medicine is destroyed.
              The people are dying, illiterate Central Asian half-slaves are being imported in their place.
              Law enforcement agencies perform exclusively punitive functions.
              Economics is a raw materials appendage of Euroraich.
              Etc.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 16: 32 New
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                Dzmicer Today, 15:47 ↑
                The most logical actions and policies of the Russian authorities are explained if these authorities are perceived as occupational.
                Education and science are destroyed.
                Medicine is destroyed.
                From MALADEC ... laughing laughing laughing The Bolsheviks, in his opinion, are an absolute evil, but at the same time, the Russian authorities destroyed education, science and medicine. But I’m embarrassed to ask whose science and medicine with education destroyed the authorities of the Russian Federation, isn’t that the Bolsheviks created? Not?
                You have cognitive dissonance, don't you think? You hate the Bolsheviks for allegedly destroying the Russian people (which is an obvious FALSE), you hate the authorities of the Russian Federation for destroying what the Bolsheviks created. The question begs, but is there something in Russia that you don’t hate?
                All your rotten logic is broken up about your own opinions, you are just a Russophobe and you hate everything that is connected with Russia and its history. In general, an ordinary fascist defect, hiding behind a fig leaf.
                1. Dzmicer
                  Dzmicer 22 November 2017 16: 37 New
                  +2
                  There is no discord - the authorities of the Russian Federation - flesh from flesh and blood from the blood of the Bolsheviks.
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 16: 41 New
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                    Dzmicer Today, 16:37 ↑
                    There is no discord - the authorities of the Russian Federation - flesh from flesh and blood from the blood of the Bolsheviks.
                    Yes, indeed, with a dissonance, somehow I hurried! what You do not have a dissonance, you have insanity. belay wassat
                    1. Dzmicer
                      Dzmicer 22 November 2017 17: 09 New
                      +2

                      Nothing like this. Facts and only facts.
                      1. twviewer
                        twviewer 22 November 2017 20: 41 New
                        +5
                        for party nomenclature, only the name is a member and is suitable, which of these gentlemen has read the “science of logic”? I’m not talking about more complicated things, it was just convenient to be in the CPSU, and here they were, for the sake of a career, benefits, the opportunity to profit from a state account, moreover, they are all marketers, convinced capitalists and oligarchophiles, what kind of communists are these?
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 22 November 2017 20: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Dzmicer
                The people are dying, illiterate Central Asian half-slaves are being imported in their place.

                Give birth to more children and there will be no "Central Asian half-slaves."
          3. siemens7774
            siemens7774 22 November 2017 19: 26 New
            +4
            Dzimer, here you are. According to Gestapo reports, houses belonging to the former headquarters of the Red Army and the state administration of the party were blown up. Mining was not carried out in the houses. According to Abwehr reports and the issuance of data to the Army Center, recommendations were issued. do not arrange the headquarters and settlements of officers in the houses belonging to state structures. You can read these documents in the Bundesarchive. And also in the memoirs of senior officers of the Wehrmacht of the Army Group Center. I read more than 300 books of them, excluding archival documents. And for some reason I didn’t adherent.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 November 2017 16: 44 New
        +7
        Quote: Dzmicer
        And there’s only one way out. Do not get tired, do not be lazy and repeat again and again about the role of the USSR and the unparalleled feat of our grandfathers in that war.

        The reaction will be exactly the opposite. It’s like you teens don’t know.
        And the more victory, the more among the youth there will be sympathy for the Fritz.

        Museums for the victims of the German occupation in Moscow, St. Petersburg and all cities with millionaires should be put up. Pupils, students, and soldiers should be required to attend. Then such a Western European view of the innocent victims of the war from both warring parties will not be.
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 22 November 2017 17: 11 New
          +2
          None of this is needed. It is enough to keep military graves in order, both Russian and German. In order to remember. And do not repeat.
          In the battle between the Russian and German people, the Anglo-Saxons defeated.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 November 2017 18: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Dzmicer
            None of this is needed. It is enough to keep military graves in order, both Russian and German. In order to remember. And do not repeat.
            In the battle between the Russian and German people, the Anglo-Saxons defeated.

            The other extreme.
  5. twviewer
    twviewer 22 November 2017 12: 35 New
    +4
    Do you remember how you and me sold our damned bourgeoisie for a barrel of jam and a packet of cookies?

    this show on the central channel was shown for many years
  6. Mestny
    Mestny 22 November 2017 12: 39 New
    10
    A specific boy Kolya can be reduced to Piskarevsky cemetery in Leningrad

    Ask how old the “boy Kolya” is. Take an interest also in what family the “boy” comes from, who has his mom and dad.
    And then it becomes clear that it’s too late to drive him somewhere. All that is needed has already been explained to him.
  7. badens1111
    badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 46 New
    +8
    Quote: Dzmicer
    And the more victory, the more among the youth there will be sympathy for the Fritz.

    O..familiar words from the vocabulary of the most corrupt part of the Russian bulk society and K ... (in general, the whole liberal party)
  8. Kashtanov Alexey
    Kashtanov Alexey 22 November 2017 13: 01 New
    10
    Boy. Boy. This boy soon needs to defend his homeland. And judging by the defenders, this is of no use to him. He will safely receive an “excellent education” somewhere beyond the hillock and goodbye to “unwashed Russia”. From there, he will sympathize with the "innocent dead German soldiers." Take a look. dumbass, in the comment of Valery from Minsk, turn on your brains, if any. Millions killed by "German soldiers who did not want to fight" are not about Soviet people. This is so, about aliens from outer space. And the defenders themselves should, including mom, read about the war. About the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, and not about the abstract second. And grandfather had apparently rolled over in his grave. The scavenger is lousy.
  9. aries2200
    aries2200 22 November 2017 13: 06 New
    11
    and sand ... the herald of Putin ... this roof.
    1. elenagromova
      22 November 2017 14: 01 New
      +4
      Peskov can be understood. In some ways he is right. Well, why now the Kremlin, and everyone else, so that the boy will be brought to something there ... Well, what a gift to the liberals will be! "Innocently died". Yes, and threaten the fool - it's really too much.
      The point is not only in a particular youth ... And he is not the main one here. Home fault - those who are older and taller.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 November 2017 14: 53 New
        +7
        a gift to the liberals will be!
        Putin and Peskov are liberals and this is, firstly, it was under Putin’s power that these “Koli” grew up!
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 22 November 2017 15: 58 New
          +3
          they didn’t grow, they are grown, patiently and systematically, the country of dumb and guilty is easier to manage, but it has no future
          Sobchak-Chubais-Yeltsin-Putin-friends oligarchs are all one team.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 22 November 2017 20: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Putin and Peskov are liberals and this is, firstly, it was under Putin’s power that these “Koli” grew up!

          Do not forget where Putin served, if they punish someone - no one will know about it.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 November 2017 21: 29 New
            +1
            Do not forget where Putin served
            in the administration of Sobchak, then Yeltsin.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 22 November 2017 21: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              in the administration of Sobchak, then Yeltsin.

              Everyone chooses for himself ...
              This is about you and not about Putin.
  10. iouris
    iouris 22 November 2017 13: 28 New
    +5
    Kolya’s boy can be brought to Piskarevskoye cemetery in Leningrad
    No need to drive him anywhere, ideologically they have already formed him and led him to the right place. Bandera-Vlasov ideology triumphs.
    1. albert
      albert 22 November 2017 20: 15 New
      0
      And for me it is better to put it in the soap, in the best traditions of the Germans, whom he mournes. But then other "Urengoy boys and girls" will think 100500 times later before blathering like that.
  11. Devere
    Devere 22 November 2017 13: 31 New
    +6
    Yes, I agree that it is too late for such young "talents" to explain something. And the fact that he still has not publicly apologized for his "cant" and did not even recognize him as such - already says a lot. Here it is no longer necessary to educate, but to punish, and taking into account public resonance - to punish harshly and publicly. This is firstly, and secondly, do not forget the adults who arranged it all.
  12. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 13: 51 New
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    One thing is strange: you can moan over the “innocent-killed” former tsar, at the dispossessed grandfather-fist, at the artistic or intellectual, and even at the fascist soldier, but if you start to recall your grandfather who was killed near Minsk and his two brothers near Rzhev, then you’re already the exalted oppressor of the "boy-gymnasium student", the rider of elite boats, and almost an agent of the State Department attempting to encroach on "stability."
    Aren't you weird?
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 November 2017 13: 53 New
      11

      But stability is. We are not ashamed. Things are good?
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 22 November 2017 14: 12 New
        +1
        Well, Fritz - ears were loose, boys and girls were listening to tales, and at that time "Gaddafi's Hand" and "Hussein's Shadow" were preparing surprises for you and, moreover, many surprises !!!
  13. Demo
    Demo 22 November 2017 14: 01 New
    +5
    Are you adults here or what? Well, the hedgehog is clear that the boy did not invent it himself. We do not justify it ... with our head we had to think everything exactly and just skip dubious quotes ... But our country pleased ... really pleased. Did not become silent ... but showed everyone that the enemies of our grandfathers should not be justified ...
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 22 November 2017 14: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Demo
      Are you adults here or what? Well, the hedgehog is clear that the boy did not invent it himself

      ??
      Mom "baby" Kolenka said that they prepared tex performances together. So the “boy” didn’t invent it himself and didn’t even take part?)
  14. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 November 2017 14: 09 New
    +8
    And the mongrel of the guarantor of the pussy was excited. Usually he has the answer to everything - there is no information. And here he knows such words - “exalted persecution” of a poor boy, who, as they say, is 21 years old. Who is trying to justify our enemies is the enemy himself.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 November 2017 20: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      And the mongrel of the guarantor of the pussy was excited.

      What do you want? The stuffing is done, now you just need to write down the names ... yours has already been recorded.
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 November 2017 14: 37 New
    +4
    Again empty talk

    Don't make ends meet ...

    Thieves teach us an honest life

    And - nobility - scoundrels.

    Well said especially about those who protect the boy.
  16. BAI
    BAI 22 November 2017 14: 37 New
    +6
    left words about the "poor" George,

    Let's talk a little more about the "poor" George.
    The battle of Stalingrad ended on February 2, 1943. But the “mopping-up” and capture of the last soldiers of the 6th Army of Paulus continued until February 22, 1943. In total, from January 10 to February 22, 1943, 91 people were captured in the city limits of Stalingrad.

    To accommodate this huge mass of people, camp No. 108 was urgently created with a center in the Stalingrad workers' settlement Beketovka.

    The people who were on the verge of starvation caused by an acute food shortage were captured. They were extremely exhausted and needed emergency help.

    They did everything possible for them. However, in 1943 the Soviet Union did not have five-star hotels and Michelin-starred restaurants to receive city guests on the Volga. The problem was to feed and cure the boys and girls who survived in the ruins of Stalingrad. Leningrad remained in the blockade. Behind the rear, women and adolescents made shells, grenades and machine guns for the needs of the front, receiving meager rations.

    The captured Paulus soldiers were honestly allocated what they themselves had. Despite this, 1943 German soldiers and officers died from the effects of the hungry months of encirclement by June 27. By the same time, 078 prisoners were treated in hospitals.

    The efforts of Soviet doctors have yielded results: mortality has decreased significantly. From the summer of 1943 to the beginning of 1949, when the mass repatriation of prisoners of war to Germany took place, 1777 people died in the camp for various reasons.

    Last fact: according to the testimony of German prisoners of war, in the last period of the existence of the Stalingrad boiler, the norms for the delivery of bread in different units ranged from 25 to 100 grams per day.

    The norm of bread, established in the front camps of prisoners of war in accordance with the directives of the General Staff and the NKVD, was 600 grams of rye bread per day.

    For many Paulus soldiers, captivity really was a deliverance. Georg Johann Rau was out of luck. But the "difficult conditions of captivity" have nothing to do with it.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 14: 52 New
      +9
      There are very simple and clear statistics.
      During the war, the USSR was on the verge of starvation. The food situation was extremely difficult. In the Urals, there have been cases of child mortality from malnutrition. But with all this, four of the 5 captured German soldiers returned home (although some stayed here, we also consider them)
      In Germany, in Berlin, the burghers ate sausages for a beer back in 1943. But out of every three Soviet prisoners of war, only one survived.
    2. BAI
      BAI 22 November 2017 14: 52 New
      +6
      And at this time in Leningrad:
      Daily bread rates for the population (grams)
      date
      standard setting - February 23, 1943

      Hot Workers - 700
      Workers and engineers - 600
      Employees - 500
      Dependents - 400
      Children under 12 years old - 400
  17. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 14: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: elenagromova
    Peskov can be understood.

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    Yeah, shchazz ... The mustachioed cockroach, with its shabby wording, is not necessary to understand, the chest of drawers from foreign passports and ausweis is breaking, the wife and children.
  18. Seld
    Seld 22 November 2017 14: 41 New
    +7
    I’m not sure that the claim is “only to school” / “mother with a folder” / “grandfather with a grandmother” ...
    It turns out that the kid didn’t realize that he was broadcasting?!?!?!?!?! and he didn’t care what was scribbled in the paper?!?!? The main thing is to catch a walk in Berlin with sausages for beer?!?!?
    Well, that is, if he even praised aloizovich, then, ohhh, again, a claim to school?!?!?! And this mitrofanushka, meanwhile, is already 16-17 years old ...
    And if yes, the chuvachag can’t be aware that he is walking, so why should he be brought into the world by the hill?!?!?!? He must first be in the hospital, on the subject of adequacy and the ability to "give a report" !!!!
    No, but what about ???? After all, he “does not give himself a report” ... And suddenly, in his actions, too, he does not give a report?!?!?! Tomorrow will kill someone, iiiii, again, a complaint to the school ... "I didn’t give a report," why take something from the boy, everyone is to blame ...
    I would check something else: it is possible that the text of this "broadcast" was first compiled in .... GERMAN !!!! And then re-interpreted into Russian! and the result was "good unfortunate Hans", "young sufferer-Werther" ...
    By the way, the Germans do not want to now come to us in a mirror, to praise and mourn our fighters, who were killed a lot, say, in Berlin or Königsberg?!?!?! And that employee of our embassy in Berlin (the first, second, third consul or whatever they are!?!?!?!), Who was 100% notified of such a speech (otherwise, just a mess), should also meow something to meow on the subject verification of this very proclamation on the territory of a completely official department of Germany. Well, the Bundestag is not a public toilet on Unter den Linden anyway ...
    And if not, it turns out that any pimply puberty can come to Deutschland and, on behalf of "All Russia," begin "propaganda in the Reichstag" ... (!?!?!?!)
    And for reflection: the delegation from Urengoy is considered official, right? Well, how did they get across the border? with which visas? A travel visa forbids, by the way, public and other demarches. It means that it’s quite official as a visa, and so is the delegation, on the basis of the official priraline ....
    Or?!?!?!?!?!
    And if the visa (s) are tourist, (well, for information), then the boy discovered the law ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 November 2017 17: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: seld
      It turns out that the kid didn’t realize that he was broadcasting?!?!?!?!?! and he didn’t care what was scribbled in the paper?!?!? The main thing is to catch a walk in Berlin with sausages for beer?!?!?

      Hehehehe ... once, exactly in the same regions, the performers already tried to evade responsibility, referring to the fact that they only read the text written for them carried out the order. Not a ride.
    2. pacific
      pacific 23 November 2017 00: 03 New
      +2
      And they would not have allowed another to the Bundestag on the podium. Not this, so another Ivan-kinship-not-remembering would have been found. Unfortunately, there are many of them now - bad boys.
  19. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 22 November 2017 14: 49 New
    11
    Thank God that I, as a history teacher, do not have such students .... from school we explain, show, interest, but here ... no words ....
  20. Handbrake
    Handbrake 22 November 2017 15: 01 New
    +4
    I agree with the author, it can and should be brought into the course of affairs regarding the "unfortunate Georgians" and the millions of people killed, not even the civilians, so that I understand and realize that it’s not imbalance, but an excellent student. And do not carry around the country and call, a lot of money for such a "pioneer" is just a pity, but to force to look at the material from the point of view of a Soviet person and ask by mouth to compare his speech and the material received. And roll punishment if the corpus delicti is found.
    But with the teaching staff, also smart but well-established characters and views, people need to work hard. I suppose that to deprive them of the right to engage in teaching, and if there are signs of an offense, roll in a penalty. But that everything is according to the law.

    Check the top of the education department, understand who, when, and under what circumstances brought these people to the post, and suddenly, Oh my God, it will be revealed that there will be something interesting in the education system.

    But so that everything is written and only within the framework of the current one.

    There are errors, recording from the phone.
  21. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 15: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In Germany, in Berlin, the burghers ate sausages for a beer back in 1943. But out of every three Soviet prisoners of war, only one survived.

    ------------------------------
    Non-worthy liberals and a democratic west believe that Stalin should have given out a complete ration to almost every fascist fanatic in captivity. And this is despite the fact that by that time the Germans had swallowed up our entire densely populated territory, where there was 70% of the economy and carried out its plunder with the genocide of the Soviet people.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2017 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Non-worthy liberals and a democratic West believe that Stalin should have given out a complete ration to almost every fascist fanatic in captivity.

      Of course! They are innocent! Innocent, you know
      Quote: Altona
      swallowed up our entire densely populated territory, where there was 70% of the economy and looted it with the genocide of the Soviet people
  22. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 15: 06 New
    +5
    Quote: seld
    And for reflection: the delegation from Urengoy is considered official, right? Well, how did they get across the border? with which visas? A travel visa forbids, by the way, public and other demarches. It means that it’s quite official as a visa, and so is the delegation, on the basis of the official priraline ....
    Or?!?!?!?!?!

    --------------------------------
    I also tweeted that it is doubtful that no official bureaucratic soul with low social responsibility read this speech. Therefore, now there are so many excuses and requests "not to escalate." You need to drive this shameful power into your hands along with a guarantor who covers all this.
    PS Already tired of this hypocrisy. Against GDP, I will vote in any case.
    1. Seld
      Seld 22 November 2017 16: 39 New
      +5
      And what does the GDP have to do with it?!?!?! This is not his level ...
      But someone's head (ovki) will fly anyway. It hurts a lot of noise (and rightly, I think) ... I don’t even exclude that after digging under (our) miners they’re leading under our ministry of education, such a qualitative blow to the “below the belt” ...
      Drive power ... Cho, it’s all right?!?!?!? Or can you still find a specific person who should check everything and everyone before speaking at the official stands? Or is the "collective farm chairman" also to blame?
      How long will we be held accountable by "we", but not a clear "me"? A specific person ... who is responsible for such procedures and receives a salary ...
      Say in the Foreign Ministry? At the Embassy? In the Ministry of Culture, responsible for international relations? Or even in this very school?
      We think something backseat, and after that, "think it over, there are some speeches! Somewhere there! The main thing here is to have time to travel and Bavarian sausages to cultivate."
      And by the way, "for whose shield this banquet was" enchanting ?????
      Who paid for tickets, accommodation and other expenses? School (gee! Rzhunimagu!)?
      In principle, another example of the lack of professionalism of those who allowed such a speech ...
      But I wonder why our Zakharova is silent? Speech in the Reichstag - "this is not for you" ...
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 November 2017 19: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Tired of this hypocrisy. Against GDP, I will vote in any case.

      Comrade You said that softly. We all have to unite.
      I agree and fully support! soldier
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +3
    Dear Elena! I will say more briefly but no less honestly: GUILTING PRESENT POWER. INCLUDING THE CURRENT PRESIDENT.
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 22 November 2017 16: 37 New
      +2
      And a cross to them all with a wreath of oak, for militia = police.
      In my country, the police are abusive, worse than gay (can a person get sick?)
  24. sir
    sir 22 November 2017 15: 15 New
    +3
    specially found his speech and didn’t hear anything extraordinary. Again, someone needs to make a sensation out of nothing. But the absolute majority is reasoned after hearing only words taken out of context. Can the people think with their own heads?
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 16: 40 New
      +3
      What nafig context? His performance was about 2 minutes! I looked through all of them. There is no question of any context except lies. However, I see your context in you. ONE CHILD!
    2. faiver
      faiver 22 November 2017 17: 24 New
      +2
      those. Wehrmacht "innocent" soldiers is normal?
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 22 November 2017 15: 17 New
    +4
    Deprive of citizenship of the Russian Federation and deported to the historical Motherland, for anti-Russian activities, this enemy of the people and his Bandera family
  26. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 15: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: BAI
    Let's talk a little more about the "poor" George.

    ----------------------------
    Yesterday I also wrote briefly about this, but apparently they did not understand me, since I just gave a link to a description of this camp. In general, apparently the "evil Soviet enkavede" should have George stewed and thrown warm things directly into the environment, so that this fascist cattle did not die in our captivity.
  27. kiparis
    kiparis 22 November 2017 15: 39 New
    +6
    but I think that this is only berries! There will be even more of these over time! If the Minister of Education, together with N. Solzhenitsyna, are working on a high school program! For sure, soon the streets will be named after Hitler. Yes, and more. At 15, NOT a child! And, if a child, then there is nothing to stagger around the Bundestag. Children a place in the sandbox!
  28. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 22 November 2017 15: 56 New
    +7
    We already know what a wave of indignation caused the performance of the “boy (?) Kolya” ... but, what is surprising: there are “forces” that are trying to cause a “counter-wave” with the excuse of this dirty trick! Here also the excuse of Desyatnichenko ( they say: “they took it out of context”), and the excuse from the party man Peskov (again, “the context” is to blame!) and so on. Words: “the graves of innocent victims” (Wehrmacht soldier) are also “taken out of context”? How is it: Wehrmacht soldiers invaded our country with weapons in their hands, sowing death and destruction: killing the defenders of our country, destroying prisoners, burning cities and villages, raping and slaving the population for hunger, slave labor, calling our people "subhuman." ... and they are "INNOCENT" ??? Our People Must Repent that Resisted Total Destruction of themselves ??? Who did the "Kolya boy" regret?
    Here, for example, is what Heinrich Himmler said in one of his speeches: “We must ... behave in a comradely way towards people of the same blood with us and no one else. I'm not in the least interested in the fate of a Russian or a Czech. We will take from other nations that healthy blood of our type that they can give us. If this becomes necessary, we will resort to taking their children from them and educating them in our midst. Whether other peoples live in prosperity or they are dying of hunger interests me only insofar as they are needed as slaves for our culture, in a different sense, it does not interest me. Whether Russian women are killed or not exhausted when creating the 10000 anti-tank ditch, I’m only interested in whether the anti-tank ditch is ready for Germany ... If someone comes and tells me: “I can’t make an anti-tank ditch with the help of women and children , it is inhumane, it will destroy them, ”I will answer him:“ You are a killer of people of your blood, because if this ditch is not finished, then the German soldiers will die, and they are sons of German mothers. ” It is known what the Slavs are. The Slav was never able to construct anything. Slavs are a mixed people on the basis of a lower race with drops of our blood, not capable of maintaining order and self-government. This low-quality human material today is also not able to maintain order, as it was not capable of 700 or 800 years ago, when these people called on the Vikings, when they invited Ruriks. We Germans are the only ones in the world who treat animals well. We will decently treat these human animals. However, it would be a crime before one’s own blood to take care of them and inspire them with any ideals and thereby further complicate our ....... What ... and now we will repent for the "difficult conditions of captivity for the Germans?
    And now?:
    The losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War are being specified and counted so far. According to data that the Defense Ministry of Russia on perpetuating the memory of those killed in the defense of the Fatherland published by the seventieth anniversary of the Victory, the total losses amounted to 26,6 million people. Of these, according to various estimates, from 9 to 11,6 million accounted for by military personnel. Losses of the civilian population of the USSR amounted to about 14 million people.
    Of the 14 millions, almost 7,5 millions were exterminated as a result of direct military operations, bombing, shelling, and also became victims of systematic punitive operations. More than 4 millions became victims of a humanitarian catastrophe: famine, epidemics, lack of medical care. More than 2 millions died in forced labor in the occupied territories and in Germany.
    At the Nuremberg trials, the number of victims of the siege of Leningrad was announced: 630 thousand people. According to some modern researchers, in fact, more than a million civilians died.
    Units of the Wehrmacht, consisting of those whom the Russian schoolboy Nikolai Desyatnichenko called “innocent dead people,” held Leningrad in the grip of the blockade.
    According to the most approximate estimates, more than 23 thousand people, mostly civilians, became victims of the bombing of Stalingrad on the same day of August 1942 of 40. These victims are directly related to the Wehrmacht soldiers who were captured after the Battle of Stalingrad.

    The materials of the Nuremberg trials contain documentary evidence of crimes against the civilian population of the USSR committed by Wehrmacht soldiers.
    From the testimony of the captured corporal 2 company of the 9 tank division Arno Schwager: “When we retreated from Kursk ... we received an order to burn all the points we left. If the urban population refused to leave their homes, then such residents were locked up and burned along with their homes ... ”
    From the testimony of Chief Lance Corporal of the 2 Airborne Infantry Regiment of the 4 Airborne Division Le Courte: “In addition to photographs, I performed other work in my spare time for my own interest ... In November of 1942, I took part in the execution of 92 citizens. Since April, I took part in the shooting of 55 people of Soviet citizens, I shot them ... In addition, I also participated in punitive expeditions, where he was engaged in arson of houses. In total, I burned over 30 houses in different villages. As part of a punitive expedition, I came to the village, went into houses and warned the population not to leave houses, we would burn houses. I set fire to the house, and if someone tried to escape, then no one left the house, I drove them back to the house or shot them. Thus, I have burned over 30 houses and 70 civilians, mostly old people, women, children ... "
    From the memoirs of Hans Prudhoff, a serviceman of the 110-th tank and grenadier regiment of the 11-th tank division: “On the way I saw captured Russian soldiers who were beaten with rifle butts for taking water from the local population ... German officers beat Russian women with sticks driving out to street work. The children of these women were locked in a hut for the duration of their work. The last thing that remained for the population was destroyed, and people were simply driven out of their own homes, because the German "cultural traders" could not live under the same roof with the Russian subhuman. In the winter from 1942 to 1943, I saw hundreds of captured Russian soldiers shot along the roads. The Russian nurses lay shot with their bare breasts, their clothes ripped off, their lower body exposed ... I can add the curses that these female bodies covered with German culture media: “You are not at all exciting! - No, they have cooled down. - Then you need to give in to the light, and this case will again heat up “...”
    Evidence of this kind can continue indefinitely. This is not a reason for hatred of modern Germans who are innocent of the sins of their ancestors. But this is an occasion never to under any circumstances equalize the Wehrmacht soldiers and the Red Army soldiers.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 November 2017 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      This is not a reason for hatred of modern Germans who are innocent of the sins of their ancestors.

      Here you are wrong, because the Germans have not changed a bit, they are now the same as their ancestors, who have repeatedly come to Russia, and will come.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 23 November 2017 01: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        Here you are wrong

        It’s possible that he’s not right ... just, I want to believe that the events of 30x-40x were "correctly understood", if not by all, then by a significant part of the Germans ... and this "concept" will be "instructed" in the near future ( at least!) the future ... if not with conscience, then at least with fear.
  29. noodles
    noodles 22 November 2017 15: 59 New
    +1
    Our cleverest Patriarch Kirill recently said-sin is demonstrated in the most attractive way — through a movie through a theater — this is visible to the naked eye! I would add - but the fact that speaking in a country that buried 27 million of our citizens in the grave does not say SIN either! And this is not the fault of this excellent student, but of our entire educational system! Today, everything is being done to hammer Western values ​​into the heads - and this is not seen only by the blind !!!
  30. Evgtan
    Evgtan 22 November 2017 16: 03 New
    +5
    Conversation with a veteran.
    “And how many people did you kill during the war?”
    - No one.
    - And where do you get so many awards from?
    - He killed the fascists.

    “Son, I don’t like the people who have surrounded you lately ...” wrote Frau Paulus in 1943 to her son near Stalingrad.
  31. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 16: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: seld
    And what does the GDP have to do with it?!?!?! This is not his level ...
    But someone's head (ovki) will fly anyway. It hurts a lot of noise (and rightly, I think) ... I don’t even exclude that after digging under (our) miners they’re leading under our ministry of education, such a qualitative blow to the “below the belt” ...
    Drive power ... Cho, it’s all right?!?!?!? Or can you still find a specific person who should check everything and everyone before speaking at the official stands? Or is the "collective farm chairman" also to blame?
    How long will we be held accountable by "we", but not a clear "me"? A specific person ... who is responsible for such procedures and receives a salary ...
    Say in the Foreign Ministry? At the Embassy? In the Ministry of Culture, responsible for international relations? Or even in this very school?

    -------------------------------------------------
    Peskov whose spokesperson? GDP or "collective farm chairman", which has not been around for a long time? Power is so direct all. Because power is those who have money.
    PS I bear a clear responsibility for myself and I completely pay for my jambs, do not worry.
    PPS And the noise in social networks and on my conscience, too, I’ve been writing about Koli-Klaus’s school for two days.
    1. Seld
      Seld 22 November 2017 17: 00 New
      +3
      What does Sand have to do with it?
      Well, press secret. GDP ... And what? In fact, he is a diplomatic worker, as soon as it comes to the "foreign land". And you wanted Schaub Peskov (as the official representative of the GDP) said an angry speech? Duc, has no right! Until the kid’s guilt with a fringe is officially established, officials at the level of GDP do not have the right to express their negative opinion (about presumption, I suppose, they did it?) So as not to put pressure on those who are supposed to deal with such things in terms of service and salary. And they have to do it ...
      In addition, there is an international ethics, an international protocol ...
      "collective farm chairman"- taken in quotation marks.
      And power is those who command, including those who have money.
      If you disperse everyone indiscriminately under your guise, like, “get the kul, then we’ll sort it out,” then you won’t find the guilty again ... So, you are also not interested in finding a specific culprit, get ...
      By the way, I noticed a long time ago:
      - The light in the staircase went out - VLAAAAAAAST is to blame!
      - Trash in the street - VLAAAAAAST again!
      - The fence squinted - VLAAAAAAST again!
      But meanwhile, comrade, for that matter, it’s you who have chosen this very power ... And again you are going to choose ....
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 17: 31 New
        +3
        On the contrary, we are not going to choose it ...
      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 23 November 2017 13: 31 New
        0
        Quote: seld
        But meanwhile, comrade, for that matter, it was you who chose this very power.

        It is for this that democracy is spread all over the world - so that you can always shut your mouth: "you yourself have chosen this power."
        Who chooses whom?!?! To paraphrase Zadornov, to believe in democratic elections is like believing that a sausage is made of meat. Modern elections in any country is a long-rehearsed performance that has nothing to do with the will of the people and democracy. In addition to the external form. I will not even give examples. You yourself know them well.
  32. AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 22 November 2017 16: 55 New
    +1
    Nazi geeks!
  33. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: noodles
    Our cleverest Patriarch Kirill recently said-sin is demonstrated in the most attractive way — through a movie through a theater — this is visible to the naked eye! I would add - but the fact that speaking in a country that buried 27 million of our citizens in the grave does not say SIN either! And this is not the fault of this excellent student, but of our entire educational system! Today, everything is being done to hammer Western values ​​into the heads - and this is not seen only by the blind !!!

    ------------------------------
    At 21, you need to have your own brains, and not blame the system.
  34. faiver
    faiver 22 November 2017 17: 06 New
    +2
    Dzmicer,
    oooo how everything is running ...
  35. seacap
    seacap 22 November 2017 17: 14 New
    +5
    The flowers are beginning to blossom, still to come. Here is the result and the results of the education reforms, the result of the textbooks of Soros. The Minister of Education, who carried out these reforms, is the same criminal and enemy of our people, like a combine harvester with a construction superintendent, and they also put monuments to them. continue to use state money, i.e. our various centers that destroy the foundations of our civilization and history work. Solzhenitsyn is praised as a lamp and the conscience of the nation, etc. etc. In any country in the world, these figures who would humiliate and insult all the most sacred of our people from television screens on central channels would have torn to pieces. And we have all this dirty foam, all the most vile and obscene everything has surfaced and lifted up by our rulers, they all softly sleep and eat sweetly, spitting and recovering for their people and country, despising it and in their venality and impunity, they feel their exclusivity and superiority.
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  37. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2017 18: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: seld
    If you disperse everyone indiscriminately under your guise, like, “get the kul, then we’ll sort it out,” then you won’t find the guilty again ... So, you are also not interested in finding a specific culprit, get ...
    By the way, I noticed a long time ago:
    - The light in the staircase went out - VLAAAAAAAST is to blame!
    - Trash in the street - VLAAAAAAST again!
    - The fence squinted - VLAAAAAAST again!
    But meanwhile, comrade, for that matter, it’s you who have chosen this very power ... And again you are going to choose ....

    ------------------------------------------
    The culprits have long been found, and in social networks. And this is not the merit of the official authorities. And as for the bulbs, do not distort; with bulbs, I’m very good and have good life, people envy. The “reconciliation” has gone very closely with the GDP - the Wailing Wall, a monument to Alexander III. And I didn’t choose this power, I voted for the Communist Party.
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 November 2017 18: 22 New
      +6

      The prophecy of Lakhnovsky from the movie "Eternal Call". Where did #KolyaSUrengoy come from.
  38. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 22 November 2017 19: 11 New
    +2
    Now he is Kohl-Wehrmacht, drove for years to come.
    1. albert
      albert 22 November 2017 20: 20 New
      +2
      Kolka Heavi will be more precise.
  39. zenion
    zenion 22 November 2017 20: 05 New
    +3
    The people who slipped this to the boy do not think about Russia, but about the place where they will have to dump after the robbery.
  40. DPN
    DPN 22 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +2
    This is not the refugee's fault, but our education system is her program.
    So, such an education is beneficial to someone.
  41. badens1111
    badens1111 22 November 2017 20: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Cadet
    if one of the intercessors stated in the morning that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk are his friends and I saw you with your opinion

    Take it to the toilet and smack it.
  42. Strategy
    Strategy 22 November 2017 20: 36 New
    +2
    He visited the graves of the Germans near the city of Kopeisk.

    And what prevented him from stopping by in the Memorial "Mourning Mothers" in Chelyabinsk and visiting the cemetery of those who died from wounds in hospitals deployed during World War II in Tankograd? After all, this is very close!
    Ivan Kostogriz, for his part, called for an end to the persecution of the schoolboy, who called for "a peaceful existence on the whole Earth and rejection of war, bloodshed, fascism, suffering and violence as such"

    Correctly! It is not the schoolchild that needs to be poisoned, but Kostogriz, having to first free him from his post.
    controversial films such as Bastards

    They are not controversial, they are absolutely false. It would be better if the film about the sons of the regiment, about orphans, about the Suvorov military set was shot. After all, there is a great film "Wounded"!
    “... for where your treasure is, there your heart will also be” (Gospel of Luke, ch. 12).
  43. Strategy
    Strategy 22 November 2017 21: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Handbrake
    deprive them of the right to engage in teaching

    Well, firstly, the teachers didn’t finalize with you either - the word "Deprive" is written through "and".
    Secondly, to deprive everyone of anything if they are taught according to the programs approved from above, according to textbooks issued by the state and approved by the Ministry of Education and Science. Do you even know that the upbringing function has been removed from schools, and you can be punished in court for ideological influence if your parents are against it? And for a deviation from the content of the material, you can simply lose your job. I'm not talking about the “decent” salaries of teachers, especially provincial ones, about their insecurity (remember the teacher beaten right at school by the parent).
  44. akm8226
    akm8226 22 November 2017 21: 26 New
    +2
    Someone foul little hand drove the pen of this jerk. Under Stalin, he and all his teachers and parents would already be in sunny Magadan. And it is right! For from such boys the Vlasovs subsequently grow up. Mark my word - we will still hear about this geek. And yet - we were all children and schoolchildren. All without exception. And now remember - could anyone even say the most inveterate gouging and a bully come up with the same idea? Here is the answer.
  45. Setrac
    Setrac 22 November 2017 21: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Tell this to those in the trenches, wrote- "If I die in the attack, please consider me a communist."

    And how many died without this phrase ???
    Quote: badens1111
    two million Komsomol members

    Exactly, they gathered without any selection for the party, for quantity, and they eventually collapsed the USSR, and these are those who then were a Komsomol member who eventually betrayed the ideas of communism.
    1. Strategy
      Strategy 22 November 2017 22: 11 New
      +2
      Have you been a member of the CPSU? Have you tried to join this party? They force it to enter, FORCING officials, teachers and other government workers to sign (DO NOT WRITE!) Statements under the threat of dismissal or a reduction in wages. Before you write, think about whether you know what to write about. Or, too, the Solzhenitsyn and Radzin’s and Volkogonov’s have read and heard enough?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 November 2017 22: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Strategia
        Have you been a member of the CPSU? Have you tried to join this party?

        I managed to visit the October Revolutionary and pioneer in the USSR and I remember very well how we were received in a square-nesting way.
        Quote: Strategia
        Before you write, think about whether you know what to write about.

        Do you know? Or rely on your own errors?
        1. Strategy
          Strategy 23 November 2017 07: 11 New
          +1
          Apparently, it was you who wrote the text of the speech in the Bundestag to this “schoolboy”. And here on the forum everyone is racking their brains, where do such children come from who do not know and demean the history of their Fatherland? Here is the answer!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 23 November 2017 22: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Strategia
            Apparently, it was you who wrote the text of the speech in the Bundestag to this “schoolboy”.

            Ek poked you !!!! If a person does not fall into an orgasm from the words of the Communist Party-all the enemy of the people, Vlasov-Krasnovets !!! Your fanaticism is disgusting, as is your party. Here is the answer.
            1. Strategy
              Strategy 25 November 2017 21: 10 New
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              At first I wanted to continue discussing this topic with you. Then he analyzed your boorish rhetoric and realized that it’s not like your face disfigured, not even touched by intellect, is capable of a normal dialogue in principle. You yourself will drown in your whiteness.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 25 November 2017 22: 33 New
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                Quote: Strategia
                Then he analyzed your boorish rhetoric

                Controversial question who has boorish rhetoric
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                You yourself will drown in your whiteness.

                Vomit - this is you - fanatics of religious, political, nationalist. We are ordinary people, we live, we give birth to children, we work - to keep such loafers like you - fighters for everything against everyone.
                Quote: Strategia
                understood - not that your face disfigured, not even touched by intellect

                Bile flows from your brain.
      2. Lars971a
        Lars971a 23 November 2017 14: 24 New
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        I fully confirm that in order to become a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union one more year must be considered a candidate for membership CPSU, you need at least 1 recommendations from members of the CPSU. This party was driven to UNITED RUSSIA at the direction from above, by the way. Recently, by the way, I witnessed the entry into the Communist Party of the Russian Federation of two young men, a husband and wife with higher education. There were two recommendations from members of the Communist Party.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 23 November 2017 22: 29 New
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          Quote: Lars971A
          I fully confirm that in order to become a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union one more year must be considered a candidate for membership Communist Party

          And to get permission for rifled weapons - five years, heh as symbolic.
          Quote: Lars971A
          There were two recommendations from members of the Communist Party.

          Why did the USSR collapse and who?
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 23 November 2017 15: 02 New
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      Quote: Setrac
      And how many died without this phrase ???

      Speculator.
      The first to attack, as if it was hateful to you, were precisely those whom you were pouring mud at.
      Quote: Setrac
      That is, they recruited without any selection for the party, for quantity, and they eventually collapsed the USSR, and these are those who then were a Komsomol member who eventually betrayed the ideas of communism.

      It’s you about yourself, that’s you, they’ve dialed in a square = nesting way. Are you or you like rushing after Yeltsin, bulging your eyes and shouting that your Yeltsin is not happy with everything?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 23 November 2017 22: 32 New
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        Quote: badens1111
        Speculator.
        The first to attack, as if it was hateful to you, were precisely those whom you were pouring mud at.

        You are a speculator. Who was the first to launch the attack is a moot point, communist propaganda told you about this, you have not seen this and do not know.
        Quote: badens1111
        It’s you about yourself, that’s you, they’ve dialed in a square = nesting way. Are you or you like rushing after Yeltsin, bulging your eyes and shouting that your Yeltsin is not happy with everything?

        Okstas poor, I was still studying and knew about politics only what it is.
  46. Strategy
    Strategy 22 November 2017 21: 41 New
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    performance at the last moment had to be cut from 10 minutes to 2.

    And why was it not at all to refuse to speak under imposed conditions? Or perform 10 minutes, despite the "sequestration"? Forgotten how to impose our will on the enemy, we are shamefully on occasion! Did you want to show upbringing before the Fritz? The top of bad manners on the part of the Bundes cut the time agreed upon before the guest. We, apparently, for them remained "untimers."
  47. Assyrian
    Assyrian 22 November 2017 22: 17 New
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    Quote: Cadet
    if one of the intercessors said in the morning that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk were his friends and I saw you with your opinion, they say I raised the north from the 80s, and you weren’t in the project yet, don’t teach life, got up and left. And with us We had a conversation in the deputy’s office that they supposedly didn’t behave diplomatically and blah blah blah.

    This is where there is no plowed field for SMERSH a.
    In the comments to the first article, some forum users even then raised the topic of the dominance of younger brothers in northern cities. I still thought they were bending. Now I am more and more inclined to think that a special operation "SMERSH" is needed there. There is such a nest)))))))
  48. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 22 November 2017 22: 39 New
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    Ironically, the performance of the young anti-hero was exactly on the 75 anniversary of the Stalingrad offensive operation.

    Or maybe this is the irony not of fate, but of some completely real person?
    It seems to me that such coincidences have a specific surname (maybe not one)
  49. Setrac
    Setrac 22 November 2017 22: 59 New
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    Quote: badens1111
    This stupidity is already tired of reading. The traitors of the country have names and their own words. That they were never communists.

    They WERE communists, no matter how you puffed up. Look what happened to the Russian Orthodox Church - the CPSU (Communist Party) will have the same fate, people will not forget your betrayal - the collapse of the USSR.
  50. alexmach
    alexmach 22 November 2017 23: 45 New
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    But what to do with adults who, as a child, probably both read books and watched films, but pour dirt on the history of our country completely consciously and probably not disinterestedly?


    What to do? You just need to start with yourself as always. You need to know and understand your story, and not only its heroic part. Then there will always be something to answer to Kolya and others.
    1. Seld
      Seld 23 November 2017 10: 33 New
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      By the way, fair!
      It is a pity, the objective information about that war - with gulkin horseradish! It is enough to ask in the street, for a show-off: "what do you know about the events of the war in 42, and at 43 ?, and so that it was at 44? And in 1945, until May?!?!?!" The archives are still locked. In general access, only the very top, for people, Schaub hawala and gained a healthy patriotism. And it is right! On the other hand, if you open all the archives for a street rabble with triple certificates (and such - the vast majority, statistics, s !!!), then an unprepared "electorate" can stupidly arrange their maszofs and buch ... I think so , as it is. The specialist will find access to real archives, and the rest will be harmful, the Muscovite will boil from the lack of the ability to think, think critically, analyze and compare. And the young proclamator can "shake hands." Now - as the card lies ... Either - PR for the future, or - us ... al. For eternity, for which it will pay. It’s a pity, by the way, how poor he is ...
      I think, by the way, that this story will be forgotten soon enough. News in the media only lasts a couple of days if the memory is not changed.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 23 November 2017 12: 24 New
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        Is there not enough information? Firstly, it has been full since the Soviet era, and secondly, today’s news about the opening of archives on the Battle of Stalingrad. In my school history course, the Great Patriotic War accounted for something about a month time ..