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Vladimir Lenin. Kill after death

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21 January 1924, at the age of 53 years, Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov (Lenin) passed away. On January 23, the coffin with the body of Vladimir Ilyich in the baggage car was delivered to Moscow from the Gerasimovskaya platform (today Leninskaya) to the Paveletsky railway station. Then the coffin was installed in the Hall of Columns of the House of Unions, where for five days and nights an official farewell to the leader of the October Revolution took place. On January 27, the coffin with the embalmed body of Lenin was installed in a specially constructed Mausoleum on the Red Square.


The leadership of the Soviet state preoccupied itself with the fate of Lenin's body before his death. Already in the autumn of 1923, a meeting of the Politburo was held (consisting of Stalin, Trotsky, Kalinin, Kamenev, Bukharin and Rykov), at which Stalin told that Lenin's health had seriously deteriorated and could be fatal. In this regard, he announced that there was a proposal "by some comrades from the province" in the event of Lenin's death to subject his body to embalming. Trotsky, who considered her “insanity,” Kamenev, who condemned her as “clergy,” and Bukharin, who was against attempts to “exalt the dust”, spoke out against this idea. But after the death of Lenin, none of them spoke openly against embalming the leader's body.

A large number of post-Soviet historians believe that the idea of ​​not burying Lenin, but embalming his body belongs to Stalin, and they see the roots of this idea in the desire of a number of Bolsheviks to create a new religion for the proletariat that won the revolution. According to some historians, Joseph Stalin was already about to restore historical paradigm, giving the people the king in his person and God in the person of Lenin. Whatever it was in fact, the body of Vladimir Lenin was embalmed and exhibited on Red Square in the Mausoleum specially built for these purposes. Moreover, the monument-tomb of the leader was rebuilt several times. The modern Mausoleum has existed since 1930, while at the same time it has undergone changes and restructures.


Lenin's body in the House of Unions


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the question of the need to bury Lenin’s body rises almost every year, but so far this has not been done. According to the latest VTsIOM polls conducted in the spring of 2017, the majority of Russians believe that Lenin’s body should be buried. So says 60 percent of respondents. There is every reason to believe that, over time, the body of the leader of the revolution can indeed be buried, but so far it remains in Red Square.

When the Bolsheviks decided to embalm Lenin’s body and put it on public display in the Mausoleum, they could hardly have imagined that the body of the leader of the revolution would become a target for those disgruntled by the Soviet authorities and the terrorists, but that’s what happened. They attempted to assassinate Vladimir Lenin while he was still alive, but after his death, his body also didn’t find peace; in the USSR several attempts were made directly on the corpse. He was fired from a revolver, thrown at stones, tried to use a sledgehammer and a rocket launcher, smashed a sarcophagus with his foot and tried to blow several times, while occasional visitors died and were injured during the explosions.

The first attempt on the body of the already dead leader was 19 March 1934 of the year. The peasant Mitrofan Nikitin, a worker at the Progress state farm near Moscow, tried to shoot the body from the revolver of the Nagant system, he twice shot at the figure lying on a pedestal, but overwhelmed both times with excitement. Seeing that visitors and security officers were heading for him, he committed suicide by discharging the revolver into his heart. From the note found at his body, it was possible to find out that the peasant went to a desperate act in protest against the impoverishment and ruin of the simple villagers of a huge country. In a note, he wrote that in the spring of 1934, a large number of people would die of hunger, epidemics, and filth again. In the note, he asked if the Kremlin really didn’t see that the people didn’t want such a life and could not continue living so unbearably. Mitrofan Nikitin noted that he works with 13 years and is ready to do anything for the sake of truth. “Where did you lead the country?” What are you doing? After all, everything is rolling on an inclined plane into the abyss ... ”Such questions were also voiced in the anti-Soviet message found with him.

Vladimir Lenin. Kill after death

Guard of the 1 th Soviet United Military School of the Red Army named after the All-Russian Central Executive Committee at the temporary mausoleum, 1924 year


The next assassination attempt on Lenin’s body occurred a quarter of a century later in 1959. One of the visitors to the Mausoleum, having brought a hammer brought from behind his bosom, hit them with a sweep on the sarcophagus so that the thick glass could not stand and cracked. The man was quickly tied up and subsequently recognized as mentally ill. In the future, the assassination of the body and the memory of Vladimir Lenin only increased.

Less than a year, and already in July 1960, another attempt on the body of the leader of the October Revolution occurred in the Mausoleum. Tatarin Mininbayev, a resident of the city of Frunze (today Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan) jumped onto the barrier and managed to break the glass of the sarcophagus with a kick. The glass cracked and fragments damaged the skin of embalmed Lenin. As a result, the Mausoleum had to be closed for a long time to carry out the necessary restoration work. In addition to restoring the skin of the mummy, additional embalming of the body was carried out. The mausoleum reopened the doors to visitors only 15 August 1960 of the year. At the same time, Mininbayev himself faced a difficult choice then, on whose body should he attempt to encroach. Then the body of Joseph Vissarionovich had not yet been taken out of the Mausoleum, but in the end the man chose Lenin. Later, as part of the investigation, he admitted that he had been carrying out a plan for the destruction of the coffin with Lenin’s body since 1949, which is why he flew in specially from Uzbekistan to carry out his plan.

The next attempt on the memory and body of the leader occurred on 24 on April 1962, when Stalin’s body was already reburied. A retired accountant from Pavlovsky Posad by the name of Lyutikov threw a stone into the sarcophagus with a body, but did not break it. Before committing "blasphemous actions", Lyutikov wrote anti-Soviet letters to central Soviet newspapers and embassies of Western countries for two years. A month before Lyutikov 25 in March 1962, the mausoleum was visited by L. Trekhalin, a resident of Stavropol, who approached the expression of her citizenship with more originality, the woman carried a loaded rocket launcher with a cocked hammer under her coat. She was arrested the moment she tried to shoot her into the sarcophagus. 29 March 1966, another attempt was made to destroy the sarcophagus with the body of Lenin with improvised means. Pensioner Vatintsev G.V. 1907, born in the Labinsk District of the Krasnodar Territory, did not think of anything better than throwing a sledge hammer into the sarcophagus.


Second (temporary) mausoleum, 1925 year


All these incidents could be considered insignificant. They were crossed out by two acts of terrorism arranged in 1967 and 1973. The first explosion at the Mausoleum occurred in September 1967. Lenin’s body did not suffer then, but for the first time people were killed. The terrorist act was committed by a resident of Kaunas, a certain Krysanov. Apparently, he blew up the "death belt" near the entrance to the Mausoleum. This is how Zaborozhskiy photographer Burbovsky, who was on a business trip in Moscow, described this attack. “At first, everyone was just taken aback. Then the audience rushed from the scene of the explosion scattered. When the flow of people has subsided, I look: a guy has passed by me, picks up his trousers - he has blood running down his legs. The military carried the girl - her leg was almost torn off and dangling. Before entering the Mausoleum there was a man with guts turned outwards, and next to him was the second guy, over whom several people had already bent, apparently, he was seriously wounded. Then I started shooting. ” How many victims and injuries there were as a result of this terrorist attack is unknown. The performer absolutely exactly perished, and in the newspaper “Trud” it was already noted in our time that the tourist from Italy, who had her legs blown off by an explosion, most of all got.

An even more terrible terrorist attack occurred in the 1 September 1973 of the year. The explosion directly inside the building killed 3 people, including the terrorist himself, four others were seriously injured (they were all schoolchildren). On this day, an unknown attacker, hiding under his clothes a pre-made explosive device, together with a large group of children (the influx of children was associated with the Day of Knowledge) passed inside Lenin's Mausoleum. The guards took the man as a school teacher, letting him pass inside with her children without difficulty. Having reached the sarcophagus with the body of Lenin, the man connected the wire contacts on an improvised explosive device, which provoked an explosion.

Later it turned out that the main force of the explosion fell on the sarcophagus with the body of the leader of the revolution, but by that time it had already been safely hidden under the thick armored glass and remained intact. At the same time, a terrorist himself and a couple from Astrakhan, who followed him, were killed by an explosion on the spot. Also, four school-age children were seriously injured, and a soldier of the Kremlin regiment, who was guarding the sarcophagus with the body, was thrown off by a blast wave. As a result of the explosion, there was practically nothing left of the terrorist, only a fragment of the head and his hand were found in place. Scraps of the documents found testified that he had previously been sentenced to 10 years in prison, but it is still not certain whether these documents belonged to the deceased, as his identity has not been established.


The heads of security agencies promptly arrived at the scene of the terrorist attack: Chairman of the USSR KGB Yuri Andropov and his first deputy Georgy Tsinev, as well as General Sergei Shornikov, who is the commandant of the Kremlin. The main version of the investigation was the version of a maniac who decided to perpetuate himself with such a terrorist act in the Mausoleum in the center of the capital, but did not lead to any results, the terrorist was not identified, and his true motives remained unidentified.

In the future, serious terrorist attacks and incidents in Lenin's Mausoleum no longer occurred. However, from time to time people in Red Square defiantly tried to commit suicide. Especially many were among them "samozhozhzhentsy. So in the 1970-1980 years, such an agonizing death here tried to take on the order of 100 people. All records were broken in 1981, when security officers prevented 17 from attempting to self-burn immediately.

Today Lenin’s Mausoleum and the honorary necropolis located near the Kremlin wall, as part of the Kremlin and Red Square, are included in the UNESCO World Heritage List, they also belong to historical and cultural heritage sites of federal (all-Russian) significance. Anyone can visit the Mausoleum on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays from 10: 00 to 13: 00, Monday and Friday are days off. Access to the Mausoleum, as well as to the graves located near the Kremlin wall, is carried out through the checkpoint near the Nikolskaya Tower, all visitors pass through the framework of metal detectors. In this photo and video inside the Mausoleum is prohibited.

The modern view of the Lenin Mausoleum

Information sources:
http://www.trud.ru/article/29-08-2013/1299092_dobit_iljicha_kak_pokushalis_na_lenina_v_mavzolee.html
http://diletant.media/articles/34779211/
http://masterok.livejournal.com/3393919.html
https://ria.ru/society/20090121/159780374.html
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  1. Greenwood
    Greenwood 21 November 2017 06: 49 New
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    At the same time, photo and video shooting inside the Mausoleum is prohibited.
    Well!!! What an old regime. The point is to go look at Lenin if you cannot take a selfie with a mummy and post to Instagram so that everyone likes. It is necessary to increase the tourist attractiveness of the object. wassat
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 November 2017 07: 47 New
      +6
      At a November 7 rally in Momskva dedicated to the GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION, a representative of Bulgaria spoke and said that they were the first to do this. And where is Bulgaria now?
      1. Curious
        Curious 21 November 2017 14: 47 New
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        Has it already disappeared?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 21 November 2017 20: 11 New
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          Quote: Curious
          Has it already disappeared?

          A beggar, just above Romania's outskirts of Europe. Is this an achievement?
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 November 2017 00: 04 New
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          This question (in meaning) was asked by a communist who arrived from Bulgaria in his speech. And he himself answered it.
          1. Curious
            Curious 22 November 2017 00: 06 New
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            No need to swap cause and effect.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 22 November 2017 10: 02 New
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              Quote: Curious
              No need to swap cause and effect.

              Cause, as in Russia, the local pair nomenclature betrayed what it served. At the same time, it sold the country,Consequence, inviting them with the eyes of the mausoleum of Dimitrov, an active fighter against Nazism, demolished,result- a poor country with a completely collapsed industry and killed agricultural production.
              1. Curious
                Curious 22 November 2017 10: 29 New
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                If they demolished the mausoleum, or didn’t demolish it, this would absolutely not change anything.
                Remember Professor Preobrazhensky: "Devastation is not in closets, devastation is in the heads."
                There has never been socialism in Bulgaria. Formally, it was. In fact, people carefully kept documents on property that they owned "under the king."
                I lived in Bulgaria. The Bulgarian collective farmers always remembered where whose land and everyone had kept the "papers." The same is in the city. Therefore, restitution in Bulgaria went very quickly: by 2003, 90% of property was returned to the former owners in the village, and more than 70% in the city. And then the holiday ended and the harsh “European” everyday life began, the “shock and awe” of the market economy, self-immolation in protest. But with all this, the Bulgarians do not want to return to socialism!
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 25 November 2017 07: 56 New
                  +1
                  I was in Bulgaria for the first time in 1968. Peasant houses were struck, not our huts rickety ... and in general the standard of living.
                  1. MOSKVITYANIN
                    MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 07: 32 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    I was in Bulgaria for the first time in 1968. Peasant houses were struck, not our huts rickety ... and in general the standard of living.

                    Here is the answer to the question, who lived at the expense of whom, and you will not find these huts in the destroyed Donbass, only brick and stone buildings, the RSFSR has always been financed by the residual principle, all the best to the “breadwinners” ....
              2. Jmbg
                Jmbg 30 November 2017 02: 05 New
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                Results 2017 move: Depreciation of 25 billion euros, recount 6 million tons of grain, 640 kilograms from decares. The economic record in the whole history of Bulgaria. These are "absolutely ruined industry and killed agricultural production."
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 21 November 2017 08: 30 New
      +3
      It is necessary to increase the tourist attractiveness of the object.

      Why so? Visa-free Chinese tourists visiting the Mausoleum. laughing
    3. Vend
      Vend 21 November 2017 10: 24 New
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      Stalin was removed from the mausoleum and buried. What really began to love and hate him less? Less read and criticize? Have you forgotten Stalin? No and they will not forget.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 21 November 2017 20: 22 New
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        Quote: Wend
        Stalin was removed from the mausoleum and buried. What really began to love and hate him less? Less read and criticize? Have you forgotten Stalin? No and they will not forget.

        However, this was frankly disgusting. The only person. Khrushchev, who declared war on the dead. As a result, he lost it.
        Patriarch Alexy, who knew Stalin well, spoke of the God-givenness of Stalin of Russia and its people. Their assessment of Stalin was shared by another famous and revered hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church of the twentieth century - Metropolitan of Kiev Nikolai: “Russian believers see in the person of the Supreme Leader of our country (Stalin) God as her father of their people, and their prayers to the Lord God for his long-term health years. " Archbishop of the Crimean Luke, ranked among the saints of the Russian Orthodox Church, shared the same point of view about Stalin and his role in saving Russia: “Stalin saved Russia, showed what it means to the world. Therefore, I, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, bow low to Stalin. "
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 21 November 2017 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Wend
        Stalin was removed from the mausoleum and buried. What really began to love and hate him less? Less read and criticize? Have you forgotten Stalin? No and they will not forget.

        The main thing is that YOUR Chubais will not be forgotten later! laughing
        1. Vend
          Vend 22 November 2017 09: 15 New
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          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Quote: Wend
          Stalin was removed from the mausoleum and buried. What really began to love and hate him less? Less read and criticize? Have you forgotten Stalin? No and they will not forget.

          The main thing is that YOUR Chubais will not be forgotten later! laughing

          You besides stupidity there was nothing more to write? You are just like a diligent student of the State Department pouring unproven accusations.
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    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 21 November 2017 22: 07 New
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      Quote: Greenwood
      It is necessary to increase the tourist attractiveness of the object.

      Who remembers - will walk! It all depends on the education and its completeness among the population.
      When the Bolsheviks made the decision to embalm Lenin’s body and put it on display in the Mausoleum, it was unlikely that they assumed that the body of the leader of the revolution would become a target for people dissatisfied with the Soviet regime and terrorists, but it turned out that way. Attempts were made on Vladimir Lenin during his lifetime, but even after his death his body also did not find peace; in the USSR several attempts were made directly on the corpse.

      An interesting article .... It will be necessary to "look through" the sources. Well, yes then, but now it’s just become interesting:
      Where does our “dear” Mikhail Sergeyevich Mechenyi want to be buried and what will happen at the place of his burial ?!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 22 November 2017 07: 14 New
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        I hope he will be wise enough to be burned and scattered over the beloved Germany. Otherwise, if they give the earth, the level of vandalism, above his grave, will go through the roof. The civil war in Russia is just a kindergarten compared to the number of victims as a result of his reign.
  2. siberalt
    siberalt 21 November 2017 06: 50 New
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    There are dozens of similar mausoleums around the world. And the idea of ​​dead digging does not occur to anyone. It is a pity that Khrushchev buried Stalin, who was lying in the same mausoleum. The mausoleum does not bother anyone. This is our story. If this is not Christian, then why won't they bury the relics of saints? hi
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 November 2017 06: 59 New
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      Quote: siberalt
      It is a pity that Khrushchev buried Stalin, who was lying in the same mausoleum.

      from fear of the mad ....
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 21 November 2017 07: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: siberalt
        It is a pity that Khrushchev buried Stalin, who was lying in the same mausoleum.

        from fear of the mad ....

        And immediately went the destruction of socialism.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 21 November 2017 07: 58 New
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        ... it was he who settled accounts for his son like that ..
      3. avva2012
        avva2012 21 November 2017 08: 32 New
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        from fear of the mad ....

        Yuri Zhukov, historian, believes that the burial occurred after the latest achievements of science became known. After examining Napoleon's hair, it was proved that he was poisoned.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 November 2017 04: 14 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          Yuri Zhukov, historian, believes that the burial occurred after the latest achievements of science became known. ........... that he was poisoned.
          Yes, here and there statements and explanations appear not on this topic. Khrushchev knew for sure.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 November 2017 07: 34 New
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      Quote: siberalt
      It is a pity that Khrushchev buried Stalin, who was lying in the same mausoleum.

      And, what is remarkable, NO demonstrations of protest and the crying of supposedly millions of fans of Dzhugashvili
      So it will be with the second body (with time).
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 21 November 2017 12: 13 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        So it will be with the second body (with time).

        Eh Olgovich ... no one intended together with Chubais to concoct a mausoleum for yourself .. but in the end, instead of a place of memory, you will get an all-Russian spittoon, remember this outcome, for your whole crowd of anti-Soviet and Russophobia people.
        Karen Shakhnazarov answered perfectly your cries like Amnuel’s cries — every anti-Soviet and anti-communist ultimately slides into Nazism.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 November 2017 07: 51 New
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      Quote: siberalt
      This is our story. If this is not Christian, then why won't they bury the relics of saints? hi

      And what do you yourself not guess? Because how will they go back and forth to different places!
    4. stone
      stone 21 November 2017 12: 43 New
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      What dozens? Where else in the 20th century put a mummy in the center of the capital of a civilized state? fellow
      China and the DPRK do not need to give an example!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 21 November 2017 13: 02 New
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        And why, China, do not give an example? Civilization, older than ours, and even now, is the second world economy, by the way.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 21 November 2017 17: 40 New
        +4
        What dozens?
        Grant Mausoleum, New York USA, Anitkabir, Ankara Turkey, Khomeini Mausoleum Tehran, Iran, the great surgeon Nikolai Pirogov in Ukraine.https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B
        0%D0%B2%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9
        Here are more details, dozens
      3. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 00: 53 New
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        Quote: stone
        Where else in the 20 century did they put mummies in the center of the capital of a civilized state?

        Since when has the capital become "civilized"? Do not you stop the pores as Cherkizon was dispersed and House-2 began to show on TV from the Mother See showing the whole country how "civilized people" live?)))
    5. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 21 November 2017 20: 06 New
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      siberalt There are dozens of similar mausoleums around the world. And the idea of ​​dead digging does not occur to anyone.

      After what he did to the Russian people, I think his land will not accept ...
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 22 November 2017 10: 05 New
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        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        After what he did to the Russian people, I think his land will not accept ..

        What did he do? And how did thieves, terrorists of all stripes, traitors of various stripes, suddenly become associated with the whole Russian people?
  3. ver_
    ver_ 21 November 2017 07: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: siberalt
    It is a pity that Khrushchev buried Stalin, who was lying in the same mausoleum.

    And, what is remarkable, NO demonstrations of protest and the crying of supposedly millions of fans of Dzhugashvili
    So it will be with the second body (with time).

    ... for a long time it was time to close without noise and dust * restoration * and not to open more .. since they are so shy ..
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 21 November 2017 07: 58 New
    +8
    The remains of Napoleon, lie in a sarcophagus of Russian pink tuff .. And not the French do not demand his reburial on the island of Corsica, next to the grave of his mother ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 21 November 2017 08: 13 New
      +2
      And not the French..Do not ask not to read .. described ..
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 21 November 2017 09: 10 New
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        Thank you Alexey for reminding me. In different countries there were rituals of worshiping the remains of the GREAT. Mausoleum in Halicarnassus (burnt by the heroostrat), pyramids of Egypt, Meroe, China, funeral tower in Zimbabwe, cromlechs in Scotland and Ireland, the tomb in Palenque (Yucatan), guanche pyramids in the Canaries, whole cities of mummies in the desert of Peru and Bolivia! These remains are revered as a memory of the history of the countries.
        The proposal for the burial of Lenin should be answered as follows: only after the French !!!
        Bolsheviks, Communists proclaimed freedom of religion. Now we see --- the Middle Ages is coming. With all that was then.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 21 November 2017 09: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Bolsheviks, Communists proclaimed freedom of religion

          Tsar Nicholas II proclaimed this very freedom of religion, unfortunately, his decision was hasty.
          And here the Bolsheviks.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 21 November 2017 09: 55 New
            +7
            And where does Nikolai 2 and the RSFSR? These are different countries in terms of their ideological content. The laws of the empire were disavowed by the Soviet regime.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 21 November 2017 10: 02 New
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              Quote: avva2012
              And where does Nikolai the 2nd and the RSFSR?

              And what connection can there be between Nicholas II and the RSFSR? What are you talking about?
              It was indicated that the king granted freedom of religion.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 21 November 2017 11: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: bober1982 It was indicated that the king granted freedom of religion.

                What kind of freedom of religion the tsar gave for the Russian Empire, I understood, but what relation this had to the Bolsheviks, I did not understand. If you wrote, "for the first time in history," then I would have understood, although I wondered, "is it true?" But no. Well, he gave and gave. The empire ended in February 1917, and in the RSFSR, freedom of religion was already legally recognized by the Bolsheviks. If you think that everyone forgot about Nikolai 2, this does not mean that he needs to be “remembered” anywhere and for any reason. Wait for 2018 year, then, yes, everything will be. Tears will flow in waterfalls, "I'm sorry, sovereign!"
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 21 November 2017 11: 29 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  What freedom of religion the tsar gave for the Russian Empire, I understood, but what relation this had to the Bolsheviks, I did not understand

                  So after all, I said this.
                  You don’t talk about teeth, one about Klim Zhukov began to interpret, you about the connection between the tsar and the RSFSR and the expectations of 2018.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 21 November 2017 11: 43 New
                    +3
                    Quote: bober1982 You don’t talk about teeth, one about Klim Zhukov began to interpret

                    And that, Klima Zhukov, is worth listening to. It would not be out of place to have Yuri Zhukov, and A. Kolpakidi, and A. Isaev, and E. Yakovlev. They don’t speak and don’t even try their teeth, materialists.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 21 November 2017 11: 45 New
                      +1
                      I completely agree, and we disagree.
            2. SPLV
              SPLV 21 November 2017 10: 33 New
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              And where does Nikolai 2 and the RSFSR? These are different countries.
              My dear, please notice your mistake. I don’t know if this is a gap in education, or a principled position, but the Russian empire and the republic are still one country, but different states. The country is more likely ethnic relations, and the state - legislative.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 21 November 2017 11: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: SPLV My dear, please notice your mistake.

                Most likely, this is a gap in education, gracious. It is impossible to know everything. The meaning, I tried to convey, "different countries in their own way ideological content, "but anyway, thanks for the clarification.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 November 2017 10: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: bober1982

            Tsar Nicholas II proclaimed this very freedom of religion, unfortunately, his decision was hasty.
            And here the Bolsheviks.

            Yes, indeed, the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with, they did not overthrow Nicholas Il. The Provisional Government has become.
            The scientific works of the historian, Mikhail Anatolievich Babkin will clarify a lot ---- what kind of reaction of the Clergy of different levels to the appearance of the Provisional Government.
            M.A. Babkin --- Doctor of Historical Sciences, historian, professor of the Department of Contemporary History of Russia, Institute of History and Archives of the Russian State University for the Humanities. Wrote> 80 scientific papers. The materials of archives and other documents of that time are used.
            And you, Alexander, I will ask you to stay !!! HA HA HA !!! Thanks to your reminder, I began to listen to the Intelligence Questioning and learned from Klim Zhukov about M.A. Babkin, and got acquainted with his writings on various resources !!!
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 21 November 2017 10: 33 New
              +1
              So after all, the question is about who proclaimed freedom of religion, you mistakenly pointed to the Bolsheviks, I corrected you.
              And you tell me about some kind of Babkin, Klim Zhukov and the Provisional Government.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 21 November 2017 11: 30 New
                +4
                And you, read ..... Then you will see why.
                As a matter of fact, I advise everyone to find out what is in the archival documents on this subject.
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 21 November 2017 09: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid The proposal for the burial of Lenin should be answered as follows: only after the French !!!

          From whom can such an offer come from? We are, so far, a sovereign country and what the French are doing there does not concern us, and they, too, are not a decree to us.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 November 2017 10: 38 New
            +5
            It was sarcasm ---- like "" you want in Europe --- so take a look! "". Why are the French confident in their right to the Revolution, to colonization, to the bombing of Libya? As well as other countries are not ashamed and do not repent before anyone and for nothing, do not rewrite their history to please others!
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 21 November 2017 11: 23 New
              +4
              Dmitry, my words were in the air laughing hi
  5. gavrila2984
    gavrila2984 21 November 2017 08: 24 New
    11
    The body of Pirogov on November 27 (December 9), 1881 for four hours was embalmed by D.I. Vyvodtsev in the presence of two doctors and two paramedics (preliminary permission was received from the church authorities, which "taking into account the merits of N.I. Pirogov as an exemplary Christian and world-famous scientist, they allowed not to betray the body to the earth, but leave it imperishable "so that the students and successors of the noble and charitable deeds of N. I. Pirogov could see his bright appearance" "
    The official tomb of Pirogov is called the “necropolis church", the body is located slightly below ground level in the crypt - the basement of the Orthodox church, in a glazed sarcophagus, to which access is possible for those who wish to pay tribute to the memory of the great scientist
    Let's dig Pirogov?
    1. Gopnik
      Gopnik 21 November 2017 15: 02 New
      0
      And let the Ukrainians decide this. If they want to bury - they will bury, they will not ask
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 22 November 2017 00: 50 New
        +1
        With them it will become. So why should we take an example from them?
  6. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 21 November 2017 08: 26 New
    +7
    Of course, humanly, it needs to be reburied at home. It’s not a matter of placing the ice rinks nearby and conducting entertaining events, all this leads to gloomy thoughts (and this is bad, and this is not good).
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 21 November 2017 08: 36 New
      +4
      As you know, many churches after the Revolution were redone for various buildings: warehouses, workshops, clubs, workshops, hospital buildings, etc. Near each church there was always a graveyard, now there is a clear stump, also built up and rebuilt for anything. Especially in the city. So, to demolish everything to a hairdryer?
  7. avva2012
    avva2012 21 November 2017 08: 28 New
    +3
    A pensioner accountant from Pavlovsky Posad by the name of Lyutikov threw a stone into the sarcophagus with his body, but did not break it. Before committing "blasphemous actions", Buttercups for two years He wrote anti-Soviet letters to the central Soviet newspapers and embassies of the Western countries.

    Ahhh, where were the satraps of the bloody regime or ghouls from punitive psychiatry? belay Although, of course, this is not overlooked by the latter. Grandfather obviously moved slightly.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 21 November 2017 12: 47 New
      +4
      "Grandfather" was only 54 of the year. Our powers that be at the age of 70 wives for youngsters change. lol
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 00: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        "Grandfather" was only 54 of the year. Our powers that be at the age of 70 wives for youngsters change. lol

        Just Grandpa Lenin did not change state property for prostitutes.
  8. bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 November 2017 08: 54 New
    15
    The tenacity of many liberalists who exist on State Department money to destroy Lenin’s body is quite understandable to erase any memory of him from the people, as well as the memory of his immortal creation, the USSR. And then suddenly fair orders will return - you will need to be responsible for the theft and robbery of the people.
  9. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 21 November 2017 10: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus (burnt by the Herostratus)


    A small correction: Herostratus burned the temple of Artemis at Ephesus. And the Halicarnassus mausoleum of King Mausoleum collapsed from a strong earthquake.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 November 2017 10: 31 New
      +1
      Yes, hurt yourself! Since both of them are among the 7 wonders of the world! Ephesus and Halikarnas ----- both on the Asia Minor coast of the Aegean
  10. SPLV
    SPLV 21 November 2017 10: 40 New
    +1
    Thanks to Sergey for the article, but a request to the authors and admins: be more attentive to your texts. More and more typos every year. Not one article was already on the site about garbage on the Internet, so let's respect each other, and not rush to quickly insert the article.
  11. novel66
    novel66 21 November 2017 12: 04 New
    +5
    the question is to dig in or not a little wider. need to decide Red Square - what? a place of memory and a necropolis, let's relate accordingly, dancing and songs are inappropriate in the cemetery (and here too, Lenin is no obstacle to anyone). or to rebury, so everyone! and then take a walk-not-want. I don’t need to run into one.
  12. BAI
    BAI 21 November 2017 12: 12 New
    0
    In principle, Lenin wanted to be buried and bequeathed to bury himself next to his mother.
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 22 November 2017 00: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      In principle, Lenin wanted to be buried and bequeathed to bury himself next to his mother.

      Will you throw off the scan? Well, where did Lenin want to).
      1. BAI
        BAI 22 November 2017 16: 33 New
        0
        In 1997, in response to a request from the President of Russia B.N. Yeltsin The Russian center for the storage and study of documents of recent history (the former Central Party Archive) compiled the following official archival information: “There are no documents of the Lenin or his relatives and relatives regarding Lenin’s“ last will ”to be buried in a particular Russian (Moscow or St. Petersburg) ) cemetery ... In a letter to Inessa’s daughter Armand Nadezhda Krupskaya wrote: “He must be buried with comrades; together, let them lie under the Red (Kremlin) wall ”(Requisites of the letter: RCCHIDNI, f. 12, op. 2, d. 254, l. 7 vol.).

        Therefore, of course, only the oral evidence of witnesses:
        it would be right if on this issue I refer to the testimony of the mistress of the “secret” apartment of Lenin in Petrograd M.F. Fofanova, with whom I was in contact from March 1971 until the beginning of 1976, and who was my scientific adviser on scientific work. Here is what I wrote down from her words on May 25, 1971 at my home:
        “... Nadezhda Konstantinovna had a depressed look. For three months from the date of the death of Vladimir Ilyich, she has changed a lot, aged. She was silent for a long time, then she spoke in a quiet voice: “Stalin abuses Vladimir Ilyich. On March 6, when Volodya had a relapse, and his health condition deteriorated sharply, he turned to me with a request: “Nadia,” he said, “I beg you, try to do everything with Manyasha to bury me next to my mother.”
        When Volodya was brought from Gorki to Moscow, I transferred his request to Stalin, and he pulled several times, with the right mustache and said: "Vladimir Ilyich belonged to the party more, it was up to her to decide how to deal with him." I could not answer this man. ”
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 November 2017 12: 19 New
    +6
    Something somehow in this thread is the majority of anti-advisers. Have you come to mock?
  14. Pushkar
    Pushkar 21 November 2017 15: 32 New
    0
    No, they came to giggle.
  15. Nemesis
    Nemesis 21 November 2017 20: 51 New
    +3
    And if you conduct a survey on the funeral of Yeltsin and his politics, how many would say FOR, did not think ?!
  16. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 21 November 2017 21: 01 New
    +1
    Again, the grave diggers were aroused, probably the meteorologists were to blame). Read the Penal Code guys! Or do you want to get the deadline? Who is first? Step forward! Or you can crap only under the seat of your own sofa lol
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 21 November 2017 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Or want get hold of? Who is first? Step forward!

      Again, the Communists became excited, they can easily be recognized by the above phrases, let the whole of Russia be flooded with rivers of blood again ... identifying enemies of the people, "spies" and other dissenters ....
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 21 November 2017 21: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Or want get hold of? Who is first? Step forward!

        Again, the Communists became excited, they can easily be recognized by the above phrases, let the whole of Russia be flooded with rivers of blood again ... identifying enemies of the people, "spies" and other dissenters ....

        And then!)

        Comrade, know! She will pass
        Both democracy and publicity.
        And then state security
        Remember your names! lol laughing angry
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 November 2017 00: 28 New
          +2
          Undertakers have no blood.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 25 November 2017 08: 06 New
          0
          Take comfort in this if there is no other!
  17. dropout
    dropout 21 November 2017 21: 53 New
    +1
    At the age of 15, he saw both leaders in the Mausoleum. Over the past years, I do not remember those feelings, but now there is only respect for one, which was not a destroyer, but a creator. My opinion is that if the body of Lenin is interred according to Christian tradition, the bulk of the people will accept this absolutely calmly and even with satisfaction. The only serious question is what to do with the mausoleum. (As they say do not execute do not have mercy)
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 21 November 2017 22: 14 New
      +2
      With the mausoleum is just not a problem. It is disassembled and transferred to a new place. And you can bury him. Just as in the mausoleum (by the way, similar), Choibolsan and Sukhbaatar were buried in Mongolia.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 00: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: rudolff
        With the mausoleum is just not a problem. It is disassembled and transferred to a new place. And you can bury him. Just as in the mausoleum (by the way, similar), Choibolsan and Sukhbaatar were buried in Mongolia.

        When your grave in connection with the Wishlist next "democrats" will be transferred to the dump of history, you will not mind? In general, what I ask is rolled up in concrete for political "expediency" and who then remembers rudolff? After all, "democracy" requires "expediency" and worship of Soviet leaders is not included in the plans of "expediency", for it includes mythical saints whose unearthed bones are dragged from year to year by religious processions throughout Russia). I think that if you fit into the next political trend of "expediency", then there will be no barriers to delve into your remains.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 22 November 2017 08: 53 New
          +2
          Rummaging through my remains? Yes, for God's sake, only who will need them nafig? But seriously, Stalin’s body was taken out of the Mausoleum and buried precisely in the Soviet period and by decision of the Soviet leaders, and not “democrats” at all. The burial of the human body does not mean the burial of the memory of him. I relate to the worship of the relics of saints in the same way and I see nothing good in this. Moreover, more often than not, this is profanity. A person cannot have one and a half dozen tibia which are stored and displayed in different parts of the world, even if it is a saint. To be buried or cremated in accordance with rituals and traditions, this is an unconditional human right, unless otherwise ordered in life.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 22 November 2017 10: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: rudolff
            But seriously,

            But seriously, the Lenin Mausoleum is included in the World Heritage List and is protected by UNESCO. To the Lenin Mausoleum, and not to the collapsible platform where the current President takes the Parades, in 45 threw down the defeated banners of Nazi troops throughout Europe. Thirdly. Lenin was buried according to the law already written under Yeltsin (1996). That is, even this "democratic" government recognized that Lenin was buried in accordance with all laws and canons.
            Or, in connection with the declared desovetization / de-communization of the country, a command was given from above and now you want to repeat the “feat” of the horses from Nezalezhnaya or ISIS in Palmyra? Or maybe "civilized", as in the Baltic states or Poland? Then we are out of the way.
      2. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 22 November 2017 00: 55 New
        +2
        Yeah. The Mongols are now playing on Genghis Khan. Only dumb sense.
  18. Head Physician
    Head Physician 21 November 2017 22: 49 New
    18
    Lenin lived
    Lenin is alive
    Lenin will live
  19. ver_
    ver_ 22 November 2017 02: 48 New
    0
    Quote: gavrila2984
    The body of Pirogov on November 27 (December 9), 1881 for four hours was embalmed by D.I. Vyvodtsev in the presence of two doctors and two paramedics (preliminary permission was received from the church authorities, which "taking into account the merits of N.I. Pirogov as an exemplary Christian and world-famous scientist, they allowed not to betray the body to the earth, but leave it imperishable "so that the students and successors of the noble and charitable deeds of N. I. Pirogov could see his bright appearance" "
    The official tomb of Pirogov is called the “necropolis church", the body is located slightly below ground level in the crypt - the basement of the Orthodox church, in a glazed sarcophagus, to which access is possible for those who wish to pay tribute to the memory of the great scientist
    Let's dig Pirogov?

    ... you still get to the last stage of idiocy - bury all alcoholized animals - lizards, frogs, snakes and other exhibits of the Kunstkamera ...- good luck ..
  20. Alexey Antonov
    Alexey Antonov 23 November 2017 19: 54 New
    +1
    Do you need to bury Professor Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov "humanly, in a Christian way"? Or how?
    Ah, sorry, this is in Vinnitsa ... Perhaps this is the reason for all the troubles of Ukraine - in the unburied Pirogov.