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Putin: Russia's army and navy should possess the most modern weapons

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Russian army and navy should have superior foreign analogues weapons, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Putin: Russia's army and navy should possess the most modern weapons


Our army and navy should possess the most modern weapons, military and special equipment, which take into account, including, possible changes in the strategy and tactics of warfare in the future and in their characteristics are at the level, and best of all, superior to their foreign counterparts. Because if we want to be ahead, if we want to win, we must be the best. Key indicators of the program (state armaments program - ed.) Should, first of all, ensure guaranteed strategic deterrence, and in case of a potential external threat, its effective neutralization
- said Putin, opening on Monday a series of meetings on the development of the defense-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

The President stressed that the implementation of the new state armament program will depend on the capabilities of the country's defense enterprises, as well as scientific and research centers.

It is important not only to develop promising technologies, armament samples that meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, but also to be ready to launch them into the series without delay or breakdown.
- he added, passes RIA News
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RIA News / Alexey Druzhinin
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  1. Logall
    Logall 20 November 2017 19: 45 New
    22
    Everyone says this, even in Ukraine! It would be better to say how to achieve all this!
    And also, what is going to do when our deep property is being seized ... But besides concern, of course ... It's a shame to watch that, like with children, they take away candy from us, When we have an army and a fleet ..!
    1. Monos
      Monos 20 November 2017 19: 50 New
      30
      Quote: Logall
      It would be better to say how to achieve all this!

      Yes, in general, it’s easy to work. Honestly do their job. Everyone, without exception.
      1. Going
        Going 20 November 2017 19: 54 New
        23
        I support, it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel, it is necessary to work hard and not to nod at one President.
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 November 2017 03: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Monos
        Yes, in general, it’s easy to work. Honestly do their job. Everyone, without exception.

        “Mono” work honestly all his life and earn nothing besides the hump, and “mono” honestly talk about how to work and look at life from the window of an armored limousine. Heard no?
        1. Monos
          Monos 21 November 2017 08: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Monos
          Yes, in general, it’s easy to work.

          This does not apply to you. Swing on. smile
    2. hrych
      hrych 20 November 2017 19: 53 New
      27
      Quote: Logall
      It would be better to say how to achieve all this!

      The main thing that does not say, but does, namely, the fourth Borey, hundredth Yars, GLONASS, new Tu-160, Caliber, Onyx, Iskander, X-102, Su-35, Su-34, Su-30, Crimea, Greater Caucasus ridge destroyed by the Caliphate, underwater ridges of Lomonosov and Mendeleev, the first in the export of millet and hydrocarbons, etc. wassat drinks
      1. Logall
        Logall 20 November 2017 19: 55 New
        19
        And Moscow comes first in the number of billionaires!
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 20 November 2017 21: 06 New
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          Quote: Logall
          And Moscow comes first in the number of billionaires!

          Sanya fuck with these billionaires, yes You and I will no longer be billionaires and that's why I'm not upset about something. yes And Russia has stood for centuries on people like us, doing our job, manufacturing products, building, getting our bread, and these billionaires live off of us, so they will run away at the first schucher, so fie on them. drinks hi
          1. Going
            Going 20 November 2017 21: 27 New
            14
            Vladimir, we live right and we will live here and now, if only we would not interfere, and there we will figure it out.
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 20 November 2017 21: 31 New
              10
              Quote: Going
              if only we wouldn’t interfere, and there we will figure it out.

              Yes, from time immemorial Vitya stuck us sticks in the wheels, so we’ll break through, not the first time after all. drinks hi
              1. Going
                Going 20 November 2017 21: 33 New
                13
                Yes ... with them, the main thing is that we have what we want and have the opportunity to work, support our families and we do not envy anyone.
          2. Serhiodjan
            Serhiodjan 20 November 2017 22: 32 New
            +4
            In vain you are all the same, there are different, of course, and probably more tricky misers, but I know a few rich people who are the same as we love Russia and do a lot, help, equip schools, etc., etc. ... and not they advertise this because why, they do not need PR. It may not be billionaires, but some other millionaires. In vain do you think that if someone rose so quickly turned into shit, many people remain.
            1. not main
              not main 20 November 2017 23: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Serhiodjan
              Serhiodjan

              I do not know such! But I take your word for it!
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 20 November 2017 20: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: hrych
        The main thing that does not say, but does, namely, the fourth Borey, hundredth Yars, GLONASS, new Tu-160, Caliber, Onyx, Iskander, X-102, Su-35, Su-34, Su-30, Crimea, Greater Caucasus ridge destroyed by the Caliphate, underwater ridges of Lomonosov and Mendeleev, the first in the export of millet and hydrocarbons, etc.  

        And the best targets in the world .: Arly Burke, B-2, F-35, etc. drinks
      3. DPN
        DPN 20 November 2017 21: 16 New
        +4
        So this is all inherited from the USSR, just did not have time to destroy Yeltsin
        1. hrych
          hrych 20 November 2017 21: 26 New
          +6
          I have listed what has been done in New Russia. Yes, continuity is certain. Of course, drying on the Su-27 platform, but a new generation engine was made in the Russian Federation, avionics, testing and adoption were in the Russian Federation and guess what President ... although there is a puncture - the Su-30 began to mass-produce steel under EBN laughing
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 20 November 2017 23: 22 New
            +1
            But Borea and TU-160 certainly began to do under Putin ...
            1. hrych
              hrych 21 November 2017 08: 54 New
              +1
              Borey is unambiguous, but you can talk about the Tu-160M2 with the new NK-32-02 engine as if it were a new plane, for it had at least been touched, but it is a real achievement of the regime. And the first three Boreas - used Schuky-B hulls with a missile compartment, namely K-133 "Lynx" and K-137 "Cougar". Otherwise, only the first launch into the water of Borea we would have observed. But the USSR failed the topic. Therefore, the plus mode.
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 20 November 2017 21: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: hrych
        Greater Caucasus Range

        On Khryabtu I situuuuuuuuuuuu ... gaveYakly glazhuuuuuuuuuuu !!!!! drinks drinks soldier soldier good good laughing laughing laughing
      5. Burbon
        Burbon 20 November 2017 22: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        The main thing that he does not say, but does, namely, the fourth Borey, hundredth Yars, GLONASS, new Tu-160, Caliber, Onyx, Iskander, X-102, Su-35, Su-34, Su-30,

        if we add fret viburnum, a fridge turquoise, a television record, a telephone, roads, medicines and much more to them, we would be happy
        1. not main
          not main 20 November 2017 23: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Burbon
          Quote: hrych
          The main thing that he does not say, but does, namely, the fourth Borey, hundredth Yars, GLONASS, new Tu-160, Caliber, Onyx, Iskander, X-102, Su-35, Su-34, Su-30,

          if we add fret viburnum, a fridge turquoise, a television record, a telephone, roads, medicines and much more to them, we would be happy

          Tell me, what do you dislike about viburnum? If you have the opportunity to buy a more expensive car, then to health! And against the background of budget cars, the Kalina is quite worthy !!! Everything else is China, are there just roads and drugs? How would you not lose time!
      6. serg2301
        serg2301 21 November 2017 01: 27 New
        +2
        "... the first to export millet ..." I agree with you. Just not millet but wheat ....
        1. hrych
          hrych 21 November 2017 09: 06 New
          0
          Quote: serg2301
          . first export of millet ... "I agree with you. Just not millet and wheat ....

          agree drinks
      7. You Vlad
        You Vlad 21 November 2017 03: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        The main thing that does not say, but does,

        Crimea, Crimea forgot with a bridge drinks
      8. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 November 2017 03: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        The main thing that does not say, but does

        That's for sure. It’s only from his affairs that “righteous” Russian moneybags become thicker, their children behave more impudently, and those who enlisted the support of a protective EP behave like the most ordinary louts (not on a TV camera, of course).
        Quote: hrych
        the first in the export of millet and hydrocarbons, etc.

        Want to tell you a little secret? You You can be the first in the export of millet and hydrocarbons (especially happy with the last fellow ) you you can even sing and dance on the gallery where your slave supposedly works as a rower, belay only us from this, the price of gasoline will not reduce the oars, which we row we spoons will not be replaced ... belay
        And so - fellow fellow fellow
        1. hrych
          hrych 21 November 2017 09: 17 New
          +2
          to begin with, all these missile and atomic weapons must be strained by the people, however, the shish was strained in the USSR, and not the household goods and the grub just necessary and in line. Obkomovsky kids behaved disgustingly. Now there is still freedom and speech and life. And then the bison, this Marxism-Leninism, pah muck. And most importantly, the advice was doomed and it was necessary to survive, especially the national question, when the Russians began to be cut everywhere, including the super-brothers of Ukrainians. That's all, history rendered a verdict and is not subject to appeal drinks
      9. antivirus
        antivirus 21 November 2017 21: 54 New
        +1
        many in the world measure the level of control and intelligence in the auto industry. or coffee grinders.
        You can sell a lot only with massive and well-organized production. and cheap raw materials (part of this production is from allies)
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 20 November 2017 19: 55 New
      +4
      Here, as a confirmation of all this pathos, we could lay several new ships. For example, 22350, otherwise we can’t finish one unfortunate person, which is also not clear with the gas turbine engine and the radar of the Reduta air defense system. And indeed, with such a long construction of ships (10 years each), it would be worth today to lay a couple of some 8000-10000 tons. The flagships of the Pacific Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet of the cruiser 1164 are not eternal, just after 10-15 years, either write them off or put them on a deep and long-lasting modernization. Who will replace them? How would fail in the fleets request .
      1. Monos
        Monos 20 November 2017 20: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: RASKAT
        How would fail in the fleets

        Well, you know very well that the fleet has never been a priority. The costs of geography - we are a continental power. And overseas territories have never interested us.
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 20 November 2017 20: 45 New
          +4
          We are a continental power. And overseas territories have never interested us.
          Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, we’re just trying to get into almost every hole, Korea, the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, etc.
          What do not you say, but the lion's share of tax deductions is now brought to us by hydrocarbon production. And in view of our expansion in foreign territories, we will simply be forced to defend our interests. Here we take for example our giants Gazprom and Rosneft. But wherever they no longer drill and mine, Vietnam, Iraq and Iran, Venezuela, etc. And it is also planned that Bolivia, Africa, Malaysia, etc. And also Rosatom and Rosoboronexport and their markets are drawn to them (to companies). We will also be forced to protect sales.
          But how to provide such protection if there is no decent fleet? For example, in Venezuela some kind of Isil or another brainchild of the CIA appears and what then? Merge, take over the interests of their companies?
          No, I'm certainly glad that we have such a leadership of the country and that they have not forgotten about the army in recent years. But it seems to me that in the next rearmament program 18-25 the surface fleet needs to be paid a little more attention. Well, let's hope that it will be so.
          I think so. hi
          1. Monos
            Monos 20 November 2017 20: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: RASKAT
            we will simply have to defend our interests.

            In principle, I am also for a strong Fleet, but, alas, being strong everywhere is beyond our means. In conditions when we were surrounded by military bases, the Army is a priority. I don’t even know if the time for the surface Fleet will come.
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 21 November 2017 10: 44 New
              +3
              Will come, I'm sure! Look, Putin offers to provide cargo transportation along the Northern Sea Route exclusively by the courts of the Russian Federation. This is a small Panama Canal (by income).
          2. hrych
            hrych 20 November 2017 21: 32 New
            +2
            But Boreas is not a fleet?
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 21 November 2017 21: 56 New
            0
            For example, in Venezuela some kind of Isil or another
            - there are not only UGUL traditions of guerrilla warfare
        2. Nehist
          Nehist 20 November 2017 21: 27 New
          +2
          Yeah, only 2/3 of the border runs along the coast
          1. Monos
            Monos 20 November 2017 21: 42 New
            +4
            The length of the Russian border (excluding the annexation of Crimea in the 2014 year) is 60 932 km according to the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation [2] (or 62269 km according to other data) [3], including 38 thousand km of sea borders; 7 thousand km of rivers and 475 km of lakes stand out among the land borders

            From 38 t. Km of maritime borders, the Arctic Ocean is 19724,1 km and icebreakers of the 23550 project are being built to protect them. So not everything is so sad.
            1. RASKAT
              RASKAT 21 November 2017 00: 23 New
              +1
              As long as the opponents are not armed with icebreakers, you can be calm for our Arctic. But you still should not relax.
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        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 November 2017 21: 33 New
          0
          The costs of geography - we are a continental power. And overseas territories have never interested us.
          However, here people are ready to break for aircraft carriers. Give them the dough to saw in the construction of aircraft carriers.
          1. Monos
            Monos 20 November 2017 21: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Gardamir
            we have never been interested in territories.
            However, here people are ready to break for aircraft carriers. Give them the dough to saw in the construction of aircraft carriers.

            Sailors can be understood. I would be worried in their place too.
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      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 20 November 2017 20: 49 New
        +2
        The fleet urgently needs to be updated, new corvettes, frigates, submarines, and destroyers for the Northern and Pacific fleets should already be laid!
      3. Pirogov
        Pirogov 20 November 2017 21: 14 New
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        Reduta's air defense system is also not clear

        What is not clear there is the air defense missile system Redoubt blind “Furke” does not fulfill the functions assigned to it. Why wouldn’t a used radar air defense system be put on 22350 would be put on the first Frigates Calm, while Redoubt with Furke would bring to mind on the Corvettes 20380.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 20 November 2017 21: 38 New
          +2
          What is Furke? Furke-2 on the corvettes of the project 20380 and there she really did not make friends with Redoubt. On frigates 22350 already Poliment.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 20 November 2017 22: 12 New
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            Quote: rudolff
            What is Furke? Furke-2 on the corvettes of the project 20380 and there she really did not make friends with Redoubt. On frigates 22350 already Poliment.

            SUCH ....................... Radar station (radar) for detecting surface and air targets - 5P27 "Furke", radar for detecting and targeting air defense systems - "Poliment", Target designation radar PKKK - 34K1 "Monolith", several navigation radar stations (NRL), artillery fire control radars - 5P-10 "Puma" [22].

            Combat information management system (BIUS), electronic warfare systems (EW) (adapted to the project 5P-28 system) and electronic suppression (REP), radio and space communications [23] .......... ..............................
            ................................. if you do not believe me, look at Wikipedia.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 20 November 2017 22: 32 New
              +1
              Target radar for Redut is precisely Polement. Stupidly there wasn’t enough space on the corvettes near Polement and Redoubt had to marry the Furke-2 “short-sighted” ball, which was not originally adapted for this. That is the whole problem. Gorshkov has another hemorrhoids. They didn’t want to fly medium and long Redoubt missiles properly. Judging by how raped Almaz-Antey, the question is precisely to missiles, and not to the radar. It was because of them that Vityaz stalled, the unborn Morpheus died, and the S-400 nomenclature had to be changed.
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 20 November 2017 23: 18 New
                0
                Quote: rudolff
                Target radar for Redut is precisely Polement. Stupidly there wasn’t enough space on the corvettes near Polement and Redoubt had to marry the Furke-2 “short-sighted” ball, which was not originally adapted for this. That is the whole problem. Gorshkov has another hemorrhoids. They didn’t want to fly medium and long Redoubt missiles properly. Judging by how raped Almaz-Antey, the question is precisely to missiles, and not to the radar. It was because of them that Vityaz stalled, the unborn Morpheus died, and the S-400 nomenclature had to be changed.

                I took the data from Wikipedia and there, in black and white Furke, like Polement stands on Gorshkov. And so I completely agree with you.
                1. RASKAT
                  RASKAT 21 November 2017 00: 33 New
                  0
                  I took data from Wikipedia
                  This resource is not very objective, and does not always reflect the truth, often the information is one-sided and displays an incorrect point of view and draws incorrect conclusions. Especially with regard to weapons and equipment. For example, they have 3M14 missiles still flying 300 km well, and everything else is in the same vein.
              2. Nehist
                Nehist 20 November 2017 23: 41 New
                0
                And nefig was to saw a non-versatile PU, and then we conceived a polymer-redoubt both as a distant and as an average and as a near complex !!! And as you know, versersalki do everything in a bit and nothing as it should
      4. turbris
        turbris 20 November 2017 21: 50 New
        0
        Do you know exactly the fleet development program until 2025? It is unfortunate that you did not consult with you personally during its development.
      5. Krabik
        Krabik 20 November 2017 23: 25 New
        0
        Hulls rot at the berth and are not finished.

        And if the Americans stop selling engines on the MS-21. then we’ll have to say goodbye to passenger aircraft ...
      6. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 November 2017 04: 01 New
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        could lay several new ships.

        In order to lay something, you first need to acquire something, to hold in your hands for some time ... lol
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    5. okko077
      okko077 20 November 2017 20: 39 New
      +4
      Everyone says this, even in Ukraine! It would be better to say how to achieve all this!
      The President said everything correctly and verified ... About strategic deterrence and neutralization ..
      But with conventional weapons, or rather, with its use, our General Staff is full of bedlam ... Priorities are not set and the main tasks are not specified ... It seems that no one is preparing to fight in a modern war using conventional joint ventures, we are nothing we don’t know how and do not know what to do ... Why create new weapons systems if we don’t have systems that control these weapons, provide real-time target designation using the latest technical systems, and not reconnaissance spotters in the old fashion ... Why "Coalition" a new projectile flying 70 km, if she does not know where to shoot? Why do we need the Tornado-S system with a range of over 200 km, if there is no target designation for them? Why do we need a 5th generation aircraft, if there are no systems to which it can transfer its information using its unique properties? .. Why do we need an Armata if it does not see 7 km further and has no one to help it and it will be destroyed when offensive in the 1st echelon? Why do we need high-precision weapons if, in order to determine the coordinates of a target, we need to send people forward who will value their life in search of this target and transmit the coordinates by radio, as in the second World War?
      Enough! We need information combat intelligence systems, which include weapons and directs and shoots at the signals of UAVs, reconnaissance aircraft, satellites and other technical devices .... in real time without the use of people in the first echelon ... We DO NOT have such systems ... It is necessary to give up everything and create such systems, create thoughtfully, step by step, on general principles and approaches ... This is the primary main task for many years ... We can all elements of such systems and the results of their work will appear immediately ... Case for small! Explain this to the stupid leadership, and first of all the General Staff with Gerasimov ... Although maybe this is the most difficult! Or remove these old-timers and idiots ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 20 November 2017 21: 11 New
        +2
        What about the "Coalition" a new projectile flying 70 km, if she does not know where to shoot?


        and what is this unknown target designation?
        Maybe there are people in the General Staff not dumber than you?

        1. okko077
          okko077 20 November 2017 21: 37 New
          0
          Petrov, this is not yours ... Such films were shown to dummies 40 years ago ....
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 20 November 2017 21: 41 New
            +1
            so I’m related to you. How to taste a person. I want to know more. I’m wondering what it was suggested and what kind of camera it is.

            What struck the options is also enough. May enlighten. I haven’t seen such films 40 years ago, I live a little more than 30 and the film is right 17 years old in terms of picture quality
        2. Manul
          Manul 20 November 2017 22: 02 New
          0
          Quote: c-Petrov
          and what is this unknown target designation?

          For "Caliber" and VKS - Risk scout with a laser guidance device. According to your video, artillery also worked there and the VKS. Artillery on buildings - enough coordinates. But if the target moves, you can’t do without target designation. I’m somehow embarrassed to say such a "dinosaur" IN. Maybe you know something better - explain.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 20 November 2017 22: 06 New
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            hit just guided artillery shells as for me. Well, there were moments in the video with serious explosions, most likely the videoconferencing worked. and target designation was carried out. In general, everything that the man wrote above about saying that these tools are missing

            I’m also interested in the quality of the video. And the goals moving on the video are enough.

            In general, I have not seen such videos and such an indication on the screen. I wonder what kind of device I shot with such quality and gave the coordinates so quickly
      2. turbris
        turbris 20 November 2017 21: 54 New
        +1
        And you need, judging by the depth of the knowledge set forth, at least to work as an adviser to the Moscow Region, otherwise there are all dumb and old-timers in the ministry according to your assessment.
    6. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 20 November 2017 22: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Logall
      Everyone says this, even in Ukraine! It would be better to say how to achieve all this!
      And also, what is going to do when our deep property is being seized ... But besides concern, of course ... It's a shame to watch that, like with children, they take away candy from us, When we have an army and a fleet ..!

      And how to link the curtailment of the defense order and the transition to conversion with these words? Maybe we have the most aircraft in the world or ships? Russia has made a big leap in the development and production of weapons after the hunchback traitor, but relative to the leading countries it is necessary to catch up and catch up in quantity.
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 November 2017 19: 46 New
    +5
    It is necessary to stop the possibility of tying money, this is important!
    These are all surnames ..... it is disgusting to remember, did they care about the fate of defense? They found a feeding trough and sat over it! And then everyone is surprised that we have built cruisers for years.

    So yes, I am certainly pleased with the statement, but even in China they are struggling with such methods of theirs.
    This is ineradicable.
    Pessimist i am today

    That remains what to say "success, good luck."
    1. alexhol
      alexhol 20 November 2017 19: 51 New
      -1
      In 1917, corruption ruined Russia.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 20 November 2017 20: 42 New
        0
        Officials always destroy Russia!
        About the army. The rearmament of the army is felt. Impressive!
        But .VI Lenina "Victory is ultimately determined by the state of mind of those masses who shed their blood on the battlefield."
        It will be more difficult. Especially in light of recent events. With children and provocation in the Bundestag
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 20 November 2017 20: 00 New
      +5
      Dezinto hi
      It is necessary to stop the possibility of tying money, this is important!
      Gold words ! good
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    4. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 November 2017 04: 05 New
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It is necessary to stop the possibility of tying money, this is important!

      It’s necessary to stop the little heads who, at the state expense, think primarily about their pocket belay and little hands that row under themselves to the best of their abilities and bestowal of the whole body ... belay
  3. Kleber
    Kleber 20 November 2017 19: 46 New
    +1
    Words cannot be attached to the budget.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 20 November 2017 19: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Kleber
      Words cannot be attached to the budget.


      I’ve already said a thousand times: to return to state ownership the production and sale of tobacco and alcoholic beverages ... That margin, which is obtained from the difference in prices, will more than feed even the most expenditure budget items ...
      No need to invent anything ... You just need to do ... soldier
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 20 November 2017 20: 06 New
        +2
        Return to state ownership? And how?
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 20 November 2017 20: 13 New
          +5
          Well, it’s easy: to introduce august import duties, and augmented excise taxes on domestic suppliers. State enterprises to be exempted from excise taxes, then to buy the necessary assets from domestic suppliers.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 20 November 2017 20: 27 New
            +2
            It would be simple, if the tobacco factories in the Russian Federation belonged to the citizens of the Russian Federation, but try to buy a pack of cigarettes, read who the manufacturer is and punch through the Internet what kind of "pug" we produce cigarettes.
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 20 November 2017 20: 29 New
              +4
              Why should we worry about their profit - we have our own national interests. Which is higher? If rassusolivat, then we will weave ...
              1. Kleber
                Kleber 20 November 2017 20: 32 New
                0
                Higher national interests. And they will not allow the nationalization of the tobacco industry.
                1. Dashout
                  Dashout 20 November 2017 20: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Kleber
                  And they will not allow the nationalization of the tobacco industry.

                  What do you have in mind? Investor grievances? I suggested - to redeem!
                  1. Kleber
                    Kleber 20 November 2017 20: 50 New
                    0
                    Yeah. Will they sell? This is the most profitable business.
                    1. weksha50
                      weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 21 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Kleber
                      Yeah. Will they sell? This is the most profitable business.


                      There are many ways of peaceful coercion in this world, Horatio's friend ... laughing
                      There would be a desire ... Those who declare: "There is no money, but you - hold on" ...
                      Here ... Everything should start with a "magic pendell" ...
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 20 November 2017 22: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Dashout
            State-owned enterprises exempt from excise taxes,

            Where have you seen state-owned enterprises in tobacco and alcohol bizinis?
            Accordingly, everything else that you naptsali-Nonsense!
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Kleber
          Return to state ownership? And how?


          Here, below, Dashout answered normally: "Well, it's simple: to impose awesome import duties and excigent excise taxes on domestic suppliers. Free state enterprises from excise taxes, then buy the necessary assets from domestic suppliers" ...

          And I spoke about this many times ... Create conditions under which the producers of tobacco and alcoholic beverages (private) die out like mammoths ... calmly ... without civil wars and social upheavals ...
          THEY (owners) have already secured several generations in advance, and that's enough ...
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 20 November 2017 22: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        You just need to do ..

        and who will do it? Putin what?
        Do you know how many Rotenberg assets are in distilleries?
        Take interest in every ... at least on the wiki
        So the guarantor guarantees .....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 22: 13 New
          +9
          Quote: Stroporez
          Do you know how many Rotenberg assets are in distilleries?

          How much? Is that this?
          Quote: Vika
          Representatives of Rotenberg structures are on the boards of nine plantsowned by Rosspirtprom OJSC: Moscow Crystal Plant OJSC, Bryanskspirtprom OJSC, Astrakhan distillery OJSC, Mordovspirt OJSC, Bakhus OJSC, Cherepovetsky distillery OJSC, Itkulsky Distillery OJSC, Yaroslavsky OJSC Distillery ”, OJSC“ Velikoustyugsky Distillery ”

          Duc, this one ... I, of course, understand that you are completely communal through yourself ... but you need to understand at least a little what you are talking about request
          A member of the board of directors isof course a figure ... but far from the owner, no yes
          So tell the unknowing but seeking knowledge: what kind of “assets” are there and what does the Guarantor have to do with it?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 20 November 2017 22: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            So tell the unknowing but seeking knowledge: what kind of “assets” are there and what does the Guarantor have to do with it?

            I’m a soya, something not in the spirit of explanation, I’ve been scolding you for a choice, you don’t have to read it, you can read everything myself, and you can even doze off.
            And as for the guarantor, if he doesn’t even guarantee the grants of guarantees, don’t you really need such a bolt ?!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 22: 38 New
              12
              Quote: Stroporez
              I’m Sonia to Che ir not in the spirit of explanation, you have a googler choice, Alucha YouTube

              Clear.
              I translate, as I can, to the generally accepted, correct, if I am mistaken in what:
              "I, calling myself Stroporez, do not own real information on the issue.
              I am writing that it wanders into my mind, purely for the electorate - perhaps, whoever decides.
              And whoever doesn’t do it, I send them to the google. I’d like, of course, far away, but the moderator doesn’t allow it. "
              Is it true I caught your thought?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 21 November 2017 09: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Is it true I caught your thought?

                Not true!
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                A member of the board of directors is, of course, a figure ... but far from an owner, no

                Colleague, you are not too lazy to explain to yourself and the public, for what purposes, the Rottenberg structures introduce their representatives into administrative structures of distilleries, for example, for the sake of sports interest? Or will you argue that this family is not associated with the Main Room?
                And the second point, specify what kind of family it is and why they received all their contracts without tenders and the participation of senior government officials.
                Forward knowledge and your position, and .....
                And then we will continue laughing
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 November 2017 09: 52 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Forward knowledge and your position, and ... And then we will continue

                  Sling cutter, but you certainly will not be one of the God's chosen? They, they say, have a habit - answer a question with a question wink
                  For what purposes "enter" - it is clear. Money and connections should work and bring new money and connections. Is it clear now? And this is a global practice, by the way, no laws are violated. In principle, you can try to do the same yourself ...
                  “Connected - not connected” ... everything in the world is somehow connected with each other. I’m an example, through four people I’m familiar with the same Putin, for example laughing
                  You would clarify exactly what kind of connections you mean, but for now - you really didn’t even ask a question request
                  As for "all contracts without a tender" - this, my friend, is another stupidity voiced by you. You voiced - and you prove.
                  That's about as yes
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 21 November 2017 19: 54 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    As for "all contracts without a tender" - this, my friend, is another stupidity voiced by you

                    Listen, all your scribble is a complete misunderstanding, but a folk stupidity.
                    You're trying to troll me, but for garlic, I'm sick of it.
                    You don’t know about Putin’s friendly relationship with the Rothenbergs, apparently only you, although you’re fooling around a lot.
                    You already develop like a wiki at least: In the early 1990s, he helped Putin, who at that time was chairman of the Committee on External Relations (PIC) of the St. Petersburg City Hall, continue judo classes, speaking in training as his sparring partner .

                    Since 1998, he has been the General Director of the St. Petersburg Judo Sports Club “Yavara-Neva” created jointly with Gennady Timchenko on the idea of ​​Vladimir Putin, Vladimir Putin [1] [2] became the honorary president of it.
                    “In the summer of 2008, he acquired Volgogradneftemash (a manufacturer of oil and gas equipment) specializing in the implementation of Gazprom’s investment program and four construction companies - Lengazspetsstroy, Spetsgazremstroy, Krasnodargazstroy and Volgogaz with a total turnover of 43,5 billion rubles for 8,39 billion rubles [2].

                    In May 2009, Gazprom received a contract without a tender for the construction of the Dzhubga-Lazarevskoye-Sochi gas pipeline [2], and later for the construction of the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok gas pipeline [2].
                    According to the Vedomosti newspaper, shortly before the end of his presidency in 2012, D. A. Medvedev facilitated the receipt by Rototberg of Mostotrest of road construction contracts in Moscow for several tens of billions of rubles without a tender [19]. Key projects of the Mostotrest company: the Zhivopisniy bridge over the Moscow River in Serebryany Bor in Moscow, the cable-stayed bridge over the Oka River near Murom, the Pulkovo transport interchange and the Bolshoi Obukhov bridge in St. Petersburg.
                    According to Forbes estimates, as of 2013, companies associated with Rotenberg received government orders worth over 1 trillion rubles, and Rotenberg himself took 31 place in the ranking of “The richest businessmen of Russia” [20]
                    On January 30, 2015, by an order of the Government of the Russian Federation, the sole contractor for the design and construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait identified Arkady Rotenberg [23] Stroygazmontazh LLC [24].

                    In December, Gazprom selected Stroygazmontazh as the sole contractor for the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline facilities in the amount of 197,7 billion rubles. (five contracts: worth 44,5 billion rubles., 47,8 billion rubles., 46,6 billion rubles., 35 billion rubles. and 23,8 billion rubles.) ..
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 November 2017 20: 24 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Are you trying to troll me

                      Why else? You troll yourself wonderfully laughing
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      why did they get all their contracts without tenders

                      I was amused by the word "everything."
                      You are there exactly all the contracts that "received" (fie) Rottenberg (again fie) listed? fool
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      all your scribble is a complete misunderstanding, but in a folk stupidity

                      Tell it to the mirror. And it will be right yes
                    2. turbris
                      turbris 21 November 2017 21: 05 New
                      +3
                      So what???? Bridge builds Arkady Rotenberg successfully? Yes, it falls within deadlines, sometimes even ahead of them, the whole country admires it, the organization of work and the work of engineers, which foreigners admire, are noted, so what's the matter, what's bad?
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 21 November 2017 21: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: turbris
                        so what's the matter what's bad?

                        You and litter -tv is clearly all right, so uzbugayte and relax, everything in the country is very good.
                        “And Russians are the happiest people because they don’t even understand how terribly bad they live.”
                        this is a quote if what. wink
    2. shans2
      shans2 20 November 2017 21: 30 New
      0
      everything is in order with the military budget
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 20 November 2017 21: 36 New
        0
        Congratulations. It's time to apply for the Nobel Prize.
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 November 2017 04: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Kleber
      Words cannot be attached to the budget.

      But a dozen two little people who "pull the budget" for the sake of their own lust, "sew" am
  4. Cat
    Cat 20 November 2017 19: 47 New
    +5
    Although the idea is stale, it is very robust!
    God grant!
  5. weksha50
    weksha50 20 November 2017 19: 50 New
    +2
    "The President emphasized that the implementation of the new state arms program will depend on the capabilities of the country's defense enterprises, as well as scientific and research centers ".

    And, first of all, from financing, setting tasks and monitoring their implementation ... Despite the ranks and ranks, strictly punish for any disruptions ...
  6. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 November 2017 20: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: weksha50
    "The President emphasized that the implementation of the new state arms program will depend on the capabilities of the country's defense enterprises, as well as scientific and research centers ".

    And, first of all, from financing, setting tasks and monitoring their implementation ... Despite the ranks and ranks, strictly punish for any disruptions ...

    With your permission, I dare to supplement your post)
    ... And all this makes little sense, without caring for the main wealth of this land, ordinary people. (Sorry for the pathos)
    1. turbris
      turbris 20 November 2017 22: 00 New
      +1
      [quote = Siberian barber] of your permission, I dare to supplement your post)
      ... And all this makes little sense, without caring for the main wealth of this land, ordinary people. (Sorry for the pathos) [/ quote
      That is pathos that has nothing to do with what the president said.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 November 2017 20: 18 New
    0
    The President stressed that the implementation of the new state armament program will depend on the capabilities of the country's defense enterprises, as well as scientific and research centers.
    As we see, and as the president explained to us today, nothing to do with it, it all depends on the possibilities
  8. Altona
    Altona 20 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: RASKAT
    Here, as a confirmation of all this pathos, we could lay several new ships. For example, 22350, otherwise one unfortunate person cannot finish

    ----------------------------
    Yes, at the naval parade, our new surface fleet looked very modest against the backdrop of the new Chinese destroyer.
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 20 November 2017 20: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      at the naval parade, our new surface fleet looked very modest against the backdrop of the new Chinese destroyer.

      Yes, I completely agree ...
      1. turbris
        turbris 20 November 2017 22: 13 New
        +1
        This "Admiral Makarov" looked weak? Have you ever seen the parade? Looks like no.
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 21 November 2017 11: 37 New
          +3
          and I agree with you ... sad
  9. Sergey53
    Sergey53 20 November 2017 20: 24 New
    0
    Correctly. How many brains were powdered without adopting the BMPT, TOS-1 ...
  10. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 20 November 2017 20: 28 New
    +5
    He’s a funny man ... He plays his part well. But the performance dragged on for a long time, and the audience was already tired ...
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 November 2017 04: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Fedya2017
      But the performance dragged on for a long time, and the audience was already tired ...

      Some even fell asleep in chairs ... forever belay But the denouement is not visible, and the actors were fed up with their dressing up and playing different roles and parties ... no
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 21 November 2017 19: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Esoteric
        But the denouement is not visible, and the actors were fed up with their dressing up and playing different roles and parties

        Actors improvise during the play ... Many viewers like it, have ceased to distinguish between reality and the game. They ask actors for an encore ...
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 November 2017 20: 29 New
    +2
    So, it turns out we even have a fleet? This is not about the private of the yachts of our "money bags", it’s about the military, I can’t find decent words, unless there is something fleet-like in the Caspian, and so old people ask for needles, or modern "long-term construction", or without body engines. ...
  12. Alexander War
    Alexander War 20 November 2017 20: 29 New
    +3
    We look and reflect
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 22: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander War
      We look and reflect

      These bayans have not bothered you yet?
      Everywhere you spit, practically - you’ll get either Kotoglazyev or Prodelyagin everywhere negative
  13. Bronevick
    Bronevick 20 November 2017 20: 29 New
    +1
    Putin believes in the Russian army, and Obama is a waffle.
  14. Antidote
    Antidote 20 November 2017 20: 44 New
    +2
    What is it on IN, bees versus honey? Do not rock the boat, Ave Utina!
    1. shans2
      shans2 20 November 2017 21: 32 New
      +1
      attach ice to yourself, sufferer)
  15. kefan
    kefan 20 November 2017 20: 49 New
    +1
    Only now this program is often disrupted, especially tired of hearing about the postponement of the right to hand over the fleet of ships.
  16. Machete
    Machete 20 November 2017 20: 50 New
    +2
    there is no need to say such obvious things. It should be so in any normal strong country.
    It is necessary to organize the production of all this without failures.
  17. Ural resident
    Ural resident 20 November 2017 21: 26 New
    0
    Not just a must - nowadays it is a must.
    Otherwise, there will be a loss on all fronts.
  18. K-36
    K-36 20 November 2017 21: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: Logall
    It would be better to say how to achieve all this!

    Yes, in general, it’s easy to work. Honestly do their job. To all, without exception.

    What a good propaganda poster on your part. Only here is the entire civilian personnel of military unitstyut official salaries of less than 10 rubles per month. recourse And the number of this staff is about 900 people, which is quite a bit less than the people in uniform. However, YES: from January 000, 1. they (civilian personnel) are promised a 2018% increase in salary azhnyk !!! wassat Total those who received 10 rubles. (and this is the maximum salary for combat units), will receive as much as 000 rubles.
    Man, for a family, 10. am Oxymoron (s). yes
    Of course, I apologize, but with this approach, the national unifying idea can be quietly forgotten (IMHO).
    Best regards hi
  19. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 20 November 2017 22: 34 New
    0
    Guys ... my goddess ... are you still not sick of these slogans?
    Well, Garant, as a bee, he is not obliged to answer for his balabolstvo..otherwise, there are such structures, headed by Navka Tanka, eh?
    The President voiced = these must REDEEM ... from the word Create ... Drenerus.
    Well. honestly, well, there must be a limit to balabolism. Unrestrained balabolstvo.
    Otherwise, we, Russia, who are we? A pale likeness of Ukraine, or what?
    I - SO - DO NOT WANT !!!!
    1. turbris
      turbris 21 November 2017 12: 05 New
      +1
      While rampant balabolstvo comes personally from you and others like you.
  20. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 21 November 2017 04: 14 New
    0
    Yes sell more to NATO members and China request
  21. cedar
    cedar 21 November 2017 06: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Going
    Vladimir, we live right and we will live here and now, if only we would not interfere, and there we will figure it out.


    While we are alive Russia is alive.
  22. Romanenko
    Romanenko 21 November 2017 06: 32 New
    0
    That's right, and it is not in vain that Alexander III said - Russia has only two allies - the army and navy!
    Today, one can add, perhaps, the Strategic Missile Forces and the VKS.
    There is little hope for everyone else.
  23. turbris
    turbris 22 November 2017 21: 26 New
    +1
    Sling cutter,
    What did the person want to say, a riddle ????