The second after nuclear weapons: what is the peculiarity of the new "Sunpieke"?

Modernized heavy flame-throwing systems "Solntsepek" began to come into service with the Russian army. TOC-1A, along with the MLRS Smerch, is the second most powerful weapons after nuclear. The system is extremely effective against enemy personnel both in open areas and in fortifications. Today, "Sun" is actively involved in the fight against international terrorism in Syria.

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[raid14]

TOS "" Sunshine "is certainly good, but it lacks the main thing, the firing range, it is very vulnerable to artillery and ATGM long-range enemy, because its maximum firing range of only 6 km.

[NEXUS]

Quote: raid14

TOS "" Sunshine "is certainly good, but it lacks the main thing, the firing range, it is very vulnerable to artillery and ATGM long-range enemy, because its maximum firing range of only 6 km.

This modernized Solntsepek doesn’t hit at 6 km already ... numbers appeared, 18-20 km ... and soon a new Tosochka machine will go into the series ... there the range will be comparable to Grad, that is, about 40 km.
In order to approach such an artillery system with a ATGM at a firing distance, you need to be Duncan McClaut.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: NEXUS

In order to approach such an artillery system with a ATGM at a firing distance, you need to be Duncan McClaut.

But what about Man - America? How much do you "offend" the "hero" with oblivion?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: NEXUS

This modernized Solntsepek doesn’t hit at 6 km already ... numbers appeared, 18-20 km ... and soon a new Tosochka machine will go into the series ... there the range will be comparable to Grad, that is, about 40 km.

"... figures appeared 18-20 km ..... about 40-km" Yo-mine! Otkedov such revelations ??? After all, what is the difference between the NURS of the “multi-functional” MLRS (Grad, Hurricane ...) and the flamethrower reactive system? The peculiarity of the flamethrower reactive system is the priority in the NURS for incendiary or thermobaric “filling” with corresponding parameters (NURS length). Given the existing parameters of TOS-1A NURSs, it is impossible to “sharply” increase the range while maintaining the previous warhead weight (size)! And the “peculiarity” of TOSHOCHKA is not in the “city” range, but in the wheeled chassis ... The range of the modernized flamethrower system increased from 4 km to 6 km ... I think that it is possible to increase the range in the "near future" - to 10 km ... For the Nurses of the MLRS, the following methods of increasing the range are possible: 1.use of more "energy" solid propellant rocket engines; 2. use of ramjet; 3. "quasi" -JRE on gel (quasi-liquid) fuel ...

[db1967]

In the Hurricane MLRS warhead, thermobaric 145 kg flies 13km long with the length and caliber equal to Buratinovsky
IMHO now for Solncepek 15-20km range is not a problem.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: db1967

Now for Solntsepek 15-20km range is not a problem.

Well, no! There are no ereses for Solntsepek with a range of 15-20 km! Where did you find the "ceiling" on which the numbers "15-20" are drawn ??? Analyze the "difference" between the MLRS "Hurricane" (220-mm) and TOS-1А "Sunshine" (220-mm) and, accordingly, the performance characteristics of the ammunition !!! The length of the "thermobaric" NURS MLRS "Hurricane" is St. 5 (!) Meters; and the NURS TOS-1 "Sun" is 3,7 meters! Learn the "mat.chast"! Given the tendency to increase the range of TOCs by increasing the energy intensity of rocket fuel (including the possible use of gel ...), we can expect the emergence of eres with a range of up to 10 km in the near future ... That's it!

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

soon a new Tosochka machine will go into series ... there the range will be comparable with the City, that is, about 40 km.

To preserve the destructive power of Solntsepek, she will need shells comparable in caliber and weight to Tornado. And you can’t stick it to a tank.

[Forever so]

Nenen, what I fucked up with ATGM to Solntseёp shove ?? (Duncan MacLaut)))

[tchoni]

Quote: raid14

TOS "" Sunshine "is certainly good, but it lacks the main thing, the firing range, it is very vulnerable to artillery and ATGM long-range enemy, because its maximum firing range of only 6 km.

Are you still short of range !? - I belittle you, take a thermobaric shell for hail and do not like people’s brain.
CBT - this is such a thing that starts to work where the city can not. That's why it is armored, which is intended for direct fire in fact.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: raid14

TOS "" Sunshine "is certainly good, but it lacks the main thing, the firing range, it is very vulnerable to artillery and ATGM long-range enemy, because its maximum firing range of only 6 km.

such a range was made to her just because others naughty at much longer distances !!!

[Settlement Oparyshev]

Ten.This is not enough for the current warrior. At least ten thousand and two hundred three thousand missiles to them.

[solzh]

According to the editor-in-chief of the Arms Export magazine Andrei Frolov: “As for TOS-1A Solntsepek, there are no analogues to this system in the world. The experience of its combat use in Syria and Iraq has confirmed the high effectiveness of such weapons "
When the fighting for the Donetsk airport was going on, panic articles appeared almost simultaneously in the Western and Ukrainian press that the militia had scary Sunshine flamethrowers, so the “maydanut” VSUshnikov had no chance

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Inaccuracies however. TOS "Solntsek" is located on the basis of T-90, and TOS "Pinocchio" on the basis of T-72, in addition to guiding the old TOS - 36, decided to reduce it for safety.

Information from the "zombie box", trust no reason ....

[Kleber]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

In addition, the guides of the old TOS - 36

30 guides at TOS-1 "Pinocchio

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Kleber 30 guides at TOS-1 "Pinocchio

Taki probably inattentively listened to the "zombie box" (which still does not lie) made a little mistake on the 6 guides ....

[The poor man]

In response to the supply to Ukraine of lethal weapons by the United States, the heavy Solntsepe flamethrower systems urgently need to be produced in the DPR and LPR. They can do it, I think so.
Our government long ago had to install the LPR and DPR electronic warfare systems to protect civilians from rocket attacks on cities and other settlements.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

The poor man
In response to the supply to Ukraine of lethal weapons by the United States, the heavy Solntsepe flamethrower systems urgently need to be produced in the DPR and LPR.

This is a short-range weapon and can be used in the absence of artillery and air superiority over the enemy, otherwise they will be quickly destroyed either on the march or when deployed ....

Our government long ago had to install the LPR and DPR electronic warfare systems to protect civilians from rocket attacks on cities and other settlements.

And Zimbabwe we should not deliver anything? The Russian Federation did not recognize LDNR, so we can secretly equip it with the same types of weapons that are in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ..... otherwise it will be considered an act of aggression by the Russian Federation towards Ukraine and a violation of the Budapest Agreement, which we already violated ...

[Dashout]

How strict is everything with you ...

[would]

violation of the Budapest agreement

Which (because it’s not an agreement, but a memorandum), none of the parties has ratified and which actually does not indicate a mechanism for the implementation of guarantees that none of the parties has implemented. Well, I won’t even talk about the legal rumors of this documentary ... where you turn there and it turned out.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

would Which (because it’s not an agreement, but a memorandum), none of the parties ratified

By no means.

This Memorandum will be applicable from the moment of signing.
Signed in four copies having the same force in English, Russian and Ukrainian.

(Signatures)

Budapest 5th of December 1994
Read more at http://introvertum.com/budapeshtskiy-memorandum-1
994-goda-polnyiy-tekst-na-russkom-yazyike /

The law on ratification of international treaties appeared later.
the federal law from 15.07.1995 N 101-ФЗ (as amended by 12.03.2014) "On international treaties of the Russian Federation"
However:

This Federal Law applies to international treaties in which the Russian Federation is a party as a state-successor to the USSR.

h. 3 Art. 1 of the said Law

The consent of the Russian Federation to be bound by an international treaty may be expressed by:
signing a contract;
exchange of documents forming the contract;
ratification of the treaty;
approval of the contract;
acceptance of the contract;
joining the contract;
the use of any other way of expressing consent, as agreed by the contracting parties.

h. 1 Art. 6 of the said Law

(because it’s not an agreement, but a memorandum)

So, what is next?
read p.p.a) -d) h. 1 Art. 2 of the said Law ....
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_72
58 /
So for us, this document is binding, but:
But in fairness, for the sake of the Russian Federation, in which case it can use paragraph 2 of the Memorandum:

The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine and that no weapons thereof will ever be used against Ukraine, except for self-defense or in any other manner in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Read more at http://introvertum.com/budapeshtskiy-memorandum-1
994-goda-polnyiy-tekst-na-russkom-yazyike /

So there’s a chance for Russia to “turn on the dumb” anyway ....
Do the USA and the UK have a duty to comply with the memorandum, do I have to look at their national legislation, namely the procedure for concluding international treaties, I suspect that one signature is not enough ....

[would]

Without you you just could not bring the fact of ratification by at least one side. And this is a well-known historical fact, not one side has ratified it.

But they brought one of the legal rumors themselves without noticing

refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine and that no weapons of theirs will ever be used against Ukraine

Here, any lawyer will tell you that when the Crimea was liberated there was neither a threat nor the use of force against the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Because there was no annexation, that is, forcible accession of part of the territory, but secession by itself without the use of military force. “Polite people” cannot be directly attributed to either a threat or an application; there were no military operations.

Jurisprudence is just that.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

would Without you you just could not bring the fact of ratification by at least one side. And this is a well-known historical fact, not one side has ratified it.

So I want to tell you that you inattentively read my post, although I highlighted important places in it, the memorandum under discussion could not be ratified by the Russian Federation. at that time there was still no law in the Russian Federation requiring it to be ratified, this is the first and second, ratification is only one way of recognizing the Russian Federation, read attentively part 1 of article 6 of the said Law and everything will be fine with you or not ... .

Here any lawyer will tell you

Hmm .... I’ve heard this somewhere more than once, let then any lawyer refer to the norms of the legislation of the Russian Federation and the norms of international law to prove that the memorandum under discussion is not binding on the Russian Federation ....

Jurisprudence is just that.

It is different for everyone, depending on the legal literacy of each, however, like any other science ....

[would]

I just read it carefully, unlike the way you read mine. And as you have not noticed anywhere, you have not denied the mandatory implementation of the memorandum of the Russian Federation due to non-ratification. But he simply stated the fact that not one of the countries ratified it.

Hmm .... somewhere I already heard this and more than once, let any lawyer refer to the norms of the legislation of the Russian Federation and the norms of international law to prove that the memorandum under discussion is not binding on the Russian Federation ....

Why "any lawyer" to refer to nonexistent when it comes to the existing discrepancy prescribed in the memorandum of obligations?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

would I just read it carefully, unlike the way you read mine. And as you have not noticed anywhere, I have not denied the mandatory implementation of the memorandum of the Russian Federation due to non-ratification.

Why did they write then, a provocation, I once again spent electricity and a resource of buttons ...

[Siberia 9444]

My favorite piece of iron

[serge siberian]

From the fact that this object was published on the VO, I understood literally the following: the armored installation goes directly to direct fire, makes a volley and rolls off. Well, if someone with a anti-tank grenade popped up with a grenade launcher, then as the saying goes, “Peace be upon him”.

[asr55]

Yes, our jet is powerful, beware of pi-ndo-sy. If you wrap around something.