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Erdogan: a provocation on the teachings of NATO insulted the entire Turkish people

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Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that the purpose of the provocation at the NATO exercise Trident Javelin (held in Norway from 8 to November 9) was not he, but Turkey and the whole Turkish people, reports RIA News.




Earlier, the president said that the organizers of the exercise put a stand with portraits of "enemies", one of which depicted the founder of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and the other the current president of Turkey.

Erdogan was told about this by the head of the Turkish General Staff, and he also decided to withdraw the 40 servicemen from the Turkish army. The president supported this decision.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg personally apologized to Ankara for the insult, and the head of the Norwegian Defense Ministry expressed regret about this.

However, their words did not calm Erdogan.

They put Ataturk and me on the stand with targets on NATO exercises and ignited a scandal ... This question is not personal or party. The goal was Turkey and the Turkish people. We are ready for anything
Erdogan said speaking to activists of the ruling Justice and Development Party in Turkey in Bayburt province in the east of the republic.

At the same time, he called the "positive fact" the support that the Turkish opposition provided to Ankara in connection with this incident.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 19 November 2017 18: 33 New
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    Russian again? smile
    We are waiting for the photofact: Sands in the mask of Stoltenberg imperceptibly changes targets with Stalin and Putin for Ataturk and Erdogan.
    1. Logall
      Logall 19 November 2017 18: 40 New
      18
      Why sand? Comrade Konoshenkov is engaged in military operations abroad)))
    2. hrych
      hrych 19 November 2017 18: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: Thrall
      Russian again?

      Or maybe Armenian jokes or Kurdish dirty tricks?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 19 November 2017 19: 17 New
        10
        Quote: hrych
        Or maybe Armenian jokes or Kurdish dirty tricks?
        Good guess! There is another option - the Turks are so superior to the rest of the NATO military in fire training that they decided in this way to remove the favorites of the exercises. After all, after this incident, the chief of the General Staff of Turkey, "decided to withdraw 40 troops representing the Turkish army" laughing .
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 20 November 2017 00: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          the Turks are so superior to the rest of NATO in fire training that they decided in this way to remove the favorites of the exercises


          It is not clear why such conclusions. Judging by how the Turks suffer losses in the Kurdish areas and, on the other hand, NATO members of Western Europe in Afghanistan, it does not look like the Turks are better prepared. And in Syria, the Turks have repeatedly rather stupidly substituted.
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 20 November 2017 04: 33 New
            +1
            karabas-barabas meaning the rest in NATO is even worse.
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 22 November 2017 22: 08 New
              0
              If you like to think so, please .. hi
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 20 November 2017 06: 53 New
        0
        And then Erdogan began to throw. NATO
    3. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 18: 43 New
      13
      In this situation, nothing will help them.
    4. Monos
      Monos 19 November 2017 18: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: Thrall
      Russian again?

      Well, who else? Only the Russians could make such a trick to North Atlantic unity. smile
    5. 34 region
      34 region 19 November 2017 19: 05 New
      24
      Thrall Today, 18:33. Erdogan said nothing about the Russians. But he acted sharply and correctly, unlike our Foreign Ministry, which constantly expresses its deep concern. Kim and Erdogan send the West, and Russia expresses deep concern on all issues.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 19 November 2017 19: 55 New
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        Quote: 34 region
        But he acted sharply and correctly, unlike our Foreign Ministry, which constantly expresses its deep concern. Kim and Erdogan send the West, and Russia expresses deep concern on all issues.

        And what do you dislike?
        In your opinion, Russia should just stand up sharply in a pose? E. Primakov turned the plane over the Atlantic and what helped the Serbs?
        Since then, while expressing concern, Russia has separated Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the pro-sea Georgians, the Crimean pan-and-pan-headed pan-Georgia and helped with the LPR and the DPR, expressing concern, reformatted B. Vostok and essentially saved Syria ....
        Now please tell me how to act sharply and greyhound, otherwise our Foreign Ministry is confused in snot.
        PS.
        Remember the “harsh” response at the UN and what kind of foam rushed in the liberal media, and by the way they sank supporters of harsh answers, put it together on friendly blades and removed the AI.
        1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
          Lavrenti Pavlovich 19 November 2017 21: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Scoun
          Quote: 34 region
          But he acted sharply and correctly, unlike our Foreign Ministry, which constantly expresses its deep concern. Kim and Erdogan send the West, and Russia expresses deep concern on all issues.

          And what do you dislike?
          In your opinion, Russia should just stand up sharply in a pose? E. Primakov turned the plane over the Atlantic and what helped the Serbs?
          Since then, while expressing concern, Russia has separated Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the pro-sea Georgians, the Crimean pan-and-pan-headed pan-Georgia and helped with the LPR and the DPR, expressing concern, reformatted B. Vostok and essentially saved Syria ....
          Now please tell me how to act sharply and greyhound, otherwise our Foreign Ministry is confused in snot.
          PS.
          Remember the “harsh” response at the UN and what kind of foam rushed in the liberal media, and by the way they sank supporters of harsh answers, put it together on friendly blades and removed the AI.

          Russia should also express concern, but only after being struck by calibers. Then they will be afraid and respected and the UN supporters will clearly increase. In the world, only power is respected, and kindness and warmth must be shown for their people (Russians).
          1. SOF
            SOF 19 November 2017 22: 14 New
            10
            Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

            Russia should also express concern, but only after being struck by calibers ...

            ... balmy populism ...
            How do you understand your opus, in relation to your native state ?: "To every Russian on a gas mask?" Tell me, do you have all members of the OZK family provided? I, for example, do not. Do you have a bomb shelter within walking distance? And my city was built before the collapse of the Union, and there’s not a single refuge in a radius of 200-300 km. Dig a dugout?
            ... it remains only to thank the fate and the Lord God that people with "preoccupations" at the helm of the country, and not with hypertrophied hatred.
            1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
              Lavrenti Pavlovich 19 November 2017 23: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: SOF
              Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

              Russia should also express concern, but only after being struck by calibers ...

              ... balmy populism ...
              How do you understand your opus, in relation to your native state ?: "To every Russian on a gas mask?" Tell me, do you have all members of the OZK family provided? I, for example, do not. Do you have a bomb shelter within walking distance? And my city was built before the collapse of the Union, and there’s not a single refuge in a radius of 200-300 km. Dig a dugout?
              ... it remains only to thank the fate and the Lord God that people with "preoccupations" at the helm of the country, and not with hypertrophied hatred.

              Why are you so scared? Or is it better to lick the West back, if only something did not happen. Little DPRK for many years alone confronts the penins to the camp and they would rather die than lie under the exceptional. And, you, apparently SOF is satisfied when Russia pokes its nose everywhere? You are a liberal. As long as we have a nuclear shield, no one dares to attack us, and we owe this to the USSR, because liberals do not like you. If you do not have a bomb shelter within a radius of 200-300 km, then you are not interested in striking anyone ...
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 20 November 2017 00: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
                Why are you so scared? Or is it better to lick the West back, if only something did not happen. Little DPRK for many years alone confronts the penins to the camp and they would rather die than lie under the exceptional. And, you, apparently SOF is satisfied when Russia pokes its nose everywhere? You are a liberal.

                You have a strange concept about the country's ability to defend its interests and belonging to the liberals of all those who do not agree with your urge to bomb everything that moves and is badly clipped))) Well, remember vainly when our country was not tried to "poke its nose." Always tried, but not always succeeded. Today they are also trying, but with the only difference that those who are interested in this, want to do it with the wrong hands and in the hope that in Russia there will be cranks who, for any reason, will be ready to start a war and spud provocateurs with missiles, because . venturers want to get into a fight later and then, provided that the provocateurs can divert significant Russian forces. That’s the trick that every year of the world, even if it’s "bad", gives our army those weapons that significantly reduce the capabilities of the "partners." They are pumping with their weapons those whom they have prepared for slaughter, while in the meantime we are also strengthening our potential so that this "slaughter" is of high quality and unacceptable in terms of effectiveness of defeat, for entertainers. Of course, war cannot be avoided, but at least one must be prepared for it and possess sufficient resources. If roughly, the mattresses with their 300 million and Europe with 800 million give an exhaust of 1.1 billion people + combined production and financial capabilities, against our 140 million people and some kind of reserves that are stored in the mattresses. It is good to think, however, because without a reindeer, a deer runs fast, but not for long.
                1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
                  Lavrenti Pavlovich 20 November 2017 01: 49 New
                  +1
                  If Stalin didn’t push the Finnish border, the Germans might have taken Leningrad, hadn’t defeated Iran in 1941, could have been hit from the south. In the Baltic states of NATO, in Ukraine, Americans - the red line the West has already crossed. Wait for the GDP to retire and a new “tagged” to appear? At a minimum, NATO must be moved away from our borders. During the Second World War, all of Europe worked for Germany, and the same America supplied the Germans with products - this is not the main thing. As soon as they come up with how to neutralize nuclear weapons, they will attack us right away, and it’s better to fight in someone else’s territory. Once again I repeat - no one will let us strengthen the army and the economy for a long time.
              2. SOF
                SOF 20 November 2017 07: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
                ass lick west

                1 ... what kind of nonsense? Someone, now, is licking someone?
                Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
                You are a liberal ...

                2 ... and for insulting you can get in the face laughing
                when Russia poke their nose everywhere?

                ... well, poke, and then what? The dog barks - the caravan goes on.
                As long as we have a nuclear shield

                3 ... it is the SHIELD. But with not too adequate movements, it can become a universal SHroud. And then, I assure you, cockroaches and rats will be absolutely parallel to who opposed whom and who the nuclei in the nuclei were more vigorous.
                you liberals don't like

                4 ... see item 2
                If you do not have a bomb shelter within a radius of 200-300 km, then you are not interested in striking anyone ...

                5 ... is especially touching. No dear. This means that the strategist got a little lost in the three pines, if without having the slightest idea about the location, he immediately writes it into worthless territory.
                hi
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 21 November 2017 04: 26 New
          +5
          Not removed. Watch carefully. He remained the deputy of our representative.
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 19 November 2017 22: 33 New
      +4
      And Peskov was recognized by the watch for several hundred thousand bucks.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 20 November 2017 00: 18 New
        +1
        And Peskov was recognized by the watch for several hundred thousand bucks.
        Envy is a bad feeling.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 20 November 2017 01: 05 New
          +1
          Envy? Why envy that Peskov is a bribe taker and a liar?
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 21 November 2017 04: 28 New
            +5
            Present the facts about bribes. If not, then you are a slanderer. Which also falls under the Criminal Code.
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 22 November 2017 21: 56 New
              0
              This Peskov must prove that he earned on the watch, and this is about 1 myo $! This is precisely the problem of the Russian Federation and its level of corruption, in contrast to the West. There it is necessary to explain where shi-shek is for villas, watches and Maybach, in an official position, with a certain salary, and in the Russian Federation, having seized upon certain offices, it is due to his position, to the detriment of other citizens, he is blessed and should not explain to anyone where the money came from to such a lifestyle. It is quite possible that he was rewarded for access to the body that he could organize, and the fact that he slept with the clock he was so forgotten, besides the clock, it’s clear how people like him live, it’s hard to hide in the age of computer science because they have long been torn from reality there.
  2. solzh
    solzh 19 November 2017 18: 33 New
    +6
    the organizers of the exercises put up a stand with portraits of "enemies", one of which depicted the founder of the Republic of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, and the other the current president of Turkey

    NATO’s campaign will soon lose one of its old members. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of NATO?
    1. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 18: 42 New
      13
      In principle, Erdogan can take such a step.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 19 November 2017 18: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Going
        In principle, Erdogan can take such a step.

        In principle, it can, but it won’t work, the clever one would have had enough to understand everything about his ,,, friends ,,, in NATO after the coup attempt.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 19 November 2017 19: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Pirogov
          Quote: Going
          In principle, Erdogan can take such a step.

          In principle, it can, but it won’t work, the clever one would have had enough to understand everything about his ,,, friends ,,, in NATO after the coup attempt.

          perdogasha's mind never differed ... his credo is inadequacy and ambition !!! wassat wassat laughing
        2. 34 region
          34 region 19 November 2017 19: 11 New
          +4
          Pirogov Today, 18:53. Perhaps something is holding back from this step. Somewhere, something, he seems to be clamped. But the guy is sharp as diarrhea. Maybe spit on the clamped part.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 19 November 2017 20: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: 34 region
            But the guy is sharp as diarrhea. Maybe spit on the clamped part.

            Then there will be no coups, but they will simply kill and bury them with honors.
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 20 November 2017 06: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Pirogov
              Then there will be no coups, but they will simply kill and bury them with honors.


              why will they kill? he can simply fall off his horse while taking a shower.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 19 November 2017 18: 43 New
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      Quote: solzh
      Maybe this is the beginning of the end of NATO?
      The end of NATO will be the Russian flag over the Alliance headquarters in Brussels. Although, personally, I would prefer to see a red "sickle-hammer" in place of the tricolor
      1. Going
        Going 19 November 2017 18: 49 New
        14
        Brussels is zero, just over Washington, then the end will be.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 19 November 2017 18: 56 New
          +8
          Exactly ...

          It will be a pleasant moment. repeat winked drinks good
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 19 November 2017 19: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Going
          ..only over Washington
          Well, what are you so bloodthirsty? I just innocently assumed that if Russia joins NATO (as Putin suggested to Clinton back in 2000), then this will be the end of the North Atlantic bloc. wink
          1. Going
            Going 19 November 2017 19: 25 New
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            God forbid, I propose that the United States hold a referendum and join Russia. lol
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 20 November 2017 06: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Going
              God forbid, I propose that the United States hold a referendum and join Russia.


              you should discuss this issue with the British Crown first
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 19 November 2017 19: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: solzh
      NATO’s campaign will soon lose one of its old members. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of NATO?

      Nata will grieve or be happy, I still have to look ... this fart is too problematic with the same problem country !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    4. Vita vko
      Vita vko 19 November 2017 19: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      NATO campaign will soon lose one of its old members

      Nothing like this. This is a common political provocation. If earlier NATO made claims to Turkey regarding cooperation with Russia and the acquisition of the S-400, now claims will follow from Turkey. And then everything follows the old pattern, blackmail in exchange for increased cooperation and political concessions.
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 20 November 2017 01: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Vita VKO
        If earlier NATO made claims against Turkey regarding cooperation with Russia and the acquisition of the S-400,


        Could you be more specific about NATO claims? What can be the claim at all, because it’s not Turkey that sells the RF advanced Western technologies to the Russian Federation, but rather the Turkish one.
  3. svp67
    svp67 19 November 2017 18: 35 New
    +4
    Yes, really ... I wonder why Russia has not yet been blamed for this? Aging, losing grip ...
    1. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 18: 41 New
      +9
      Now, when the passions are heating up, they will launch this technique.
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 19 November 2017 18: 37 New
    +6
    NATO frankly spat in the face of the face, first of all of Turkey, and not of Erdogan.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 19 November 2017 18: 39 New
      +6
      It seems that a former young employee of the Russian Ministry of Defense was employed at a shooting range in Norway smile
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 19 November 2017 18: 45 New
        +5
        I can’t even imagine who it might have crossed my mind. After all, everyone is “friends” there. Although Erdogan deserved it in full.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 November 2017 19: 35 New
        +1
        Rather, Russian hackers broke into the brains of the training team.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 20 November 2017 01: 16 New
          0
          One thing is not clear, okay Erdogan, he is still a shit, but Ataturk, in all respects, was a worthy man and led the opposite policy than Erdogan. Who could both annoy? Only two options come to mind, Kurds, or Armenians. Here the Armenians just suffered from Ataturk.
    2. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 18: 40 New
      +9
      The head of the organizers of the exercises is clearly not all right.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 19 November 2017 18: 47 New
        +6
        What are the organizers, such and the teachings.
        1. mgero
          mgero 19 November 2017 19: 27 New
          0
          Yes, it is clear that ours changed the portraits at the direction of Moscow, we have long arms know bastards.
  5. Magdag
    Magdag 19 November 2017 18: 39 New
    +1
    Ha, here they are funny. I can imagine with what inspiration they shot these targets.
  6. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +4
    The atmosphere of Turkey-NATO is heating up ... I think that all this confrontation will be zilch ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 November 2017 18: 56 New
      +5
      greeting! love Some kind of nervous jokes do not understand. one word - Romanian!
    2. novel66
      novel66 19 November 2017 18: 57 New
      +5
      Erdogan should send him (Stoltenberg) a silk lace so as not to violate traditions
  7. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 19 November 2017 18: 48 New
    0
    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg personally apologized to Ankara for the insult, and the head of the Norwegian Defense Ministry expressed regret about this.

    However, their words did not calm Erdogan.

    Not this way hi hi hi NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg personally the day before yesterday, yesterday and this morning officially, though by telephone, apologized, but Erdogan assured him (Jens Stoltenberg) that this is not enough laughing
    1. 34 region
      34 region 19 November 2017 19: 17 New
      +1
      SCHMEL Today, 18:48. *** Not so    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg personally the day before yesterday, yesterday and this morning officially, though on the phone, apologized, but Erdogan assured him (Jens Stoltenberg) that this is not enough  *** This type of apology is accepted only in tangible or financial form? winked Well then, of course, not enough! Here you have to beat money for the jambs! laughing Material liability! So what to do!? It’s necessary to somehow build partners! So as not to relax and not be impudent! angry
      1. Going
        Going 19 November 2017 19: 29 New
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        NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg personally the day before yesterday, yesterday and this morning officially, though by telephone, apologized, but Erdogan assured him (Jens Stoltenberg) that this is not enough


        Erdogan, even Faberge on the tray of this person, will not work, and he apologizes.
  8. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 19 November 2017 18: 50 New
    13
    Those. shoot down a Russian plane, kill our ambassador - it is possible. But the target with his photo is a terrible insult.
    Well, of course, close unity with the people instantly arises. Say - well, who is with us the people of Turkey? Direct international scandal of a universal scale, not otherwise.
    But if our leaders were on the target, would this Turk have such a reaction? Would the Turks shoot? I remember, according to information on the Internet, at the recent NATO exercises, there were targets depicting our soldiers. It is in the order of things, it turns out.
    Only Bulgarians refused to shoot.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 19 November 2017 19: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Stock Officer
      Well, of course, close unity with the people instantly arises. Say - well, who is with us the people of Turkey?

      judging by what is happening in Turkey over the past few years, the farting dog has no reason to equal the whole people of Turkey !!! along the way, there the "fault" goes exactly in half !!! wink yes laughing laughing
    2. 34 region
      34 region 19 November 2017 19: 21 New
      +3
      Stock Officer Today, 18:50. *** at the recent NATO exercises, there were targets depicting our soldiers. *** And Russia was offended by this? What did Putin make about this? Or were there any other actions?
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 19 November 2017 19: 53 New
        +5
        These were NATO's Noble Jump 2017 exercises. After the indignation of the Bulgarian military, the targets were promptly replaced by the organizers (the Romanian side), and the apologies were brought to the Bulgarians. By the way, besides Bulgaria there were also 10 countries - NATO members: Albania, Great Britain, Greece, Spain, Latvia, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania and the USA. Those had no indignation.
        The officials didn’t seem to get the reaction.
  9. garnik
    garnik 19 November 2017 18: 53 New
    +1
    But the man who instead of targets set the physiognomy of the leaders of the Turkish nationalists, tried to be honest, in the present European relations with Turkey.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 November 2017 19: 00 New
    0
    Well, if not baloboll, s, then get out of NATO! !!
  11. novel66
    novel66 19 November 2017 19: 00 New
    +3
    yes they leaned on this Turkey, they wanted to spit lol
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 19: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: solzh
    the organizers of the exercises put up a stand with portraits of "enemies", one of which depicted the founder of the Republic of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, and the other the current president of Turkey

    NATO’s campaign will soon lose one of its old members. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of NATO?

    This is conceived! First, a tape recorder, then a medallion ... Only the Sultan’s head must be saved now ... The second time it may not take a ride ...
  13. - = ANTRAX = -
    - = ANTRAX = - 19 November 2017 19: 28 New
    +1
    long comes to Erdogan. he’s completely dumb.
  14. groks
    groks 19 November 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    What for? Intentionally repel their strongest ally in the region. Rave. So it turns out that the Turks are ready for such a development of events, since they are going to aggravate. Even greater nonsense. Maybe then it was the Turks who organized it?
    What else happened with us crazy? Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation managed in an incredible way. Well - the officials laid out the kids. But everything turned out to be enough in the subject - as by order. What for?! Here they were given real pictures, they suddenly changed them to a picture from the game, which they took somewhere else. What for?! They didn’t give anything, they themselves came up with everything - no less monstrous nonsense.
    Something is happening in the world. Very serious and very hidden. This is shitty. So you can reach TMV.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 19 November 2017 21: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: groks
      Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation managed in an incredible way.

      This is your puberty nonsense.
      1. groks
        groks 20 November 2017 07: 38 New
        0
        Would be silent already. http://polit.ru/news/2017/11/14/fake/
  15. unignm
    unignm 19 November 2017 21: 49 New
    +1
    why do so? it's like slipping in slippers
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 20 November 2017 00: 50 New
      +1
      For the warmth of a relationship! laughing
  16. Bondik05
    Bondik05 19 November 2017 22: 44 New
    0
    Wild people! immediately took all sent to a known address and left. There is no need to worry deeply, to recall about any agreements, about a firm course on the implementation of these same agreements. In a word, savages!
  17. Stoler
    Stoler 19 November 2017 22: 46 New
    0
    Nda .... Apparently, NATO in general has lost the edge (
  18. BMP-2
    BMP-2 20 November 2017 00: 48 New
    +1
    No, well, I wonder: how did Erdogan want? belay Called a partner - rake in a box! Yes, sparing partnerships — they are! laughing It’s good that they only tapped on the photograph ... lol