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APU tanks and artillery to the line of contact

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Intelligence of the Donetsk People’s Republic discovered 23 units of large-caliber artillery systems and tanks Ukrainian security officials near the contact line in the Donbass, reports RIA News the message of the Deputy Commander of the operational command of the DPR, Eduard Basurin.


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Our intelligence continues to record the concentration of the enemy’s prohibited weapons along the line of contact of the troops. So, in the districts: Kamenka - the positions of three 2C9 "Nona-S" were revealed ... the positions of two tanks were revealed in the Avdeyevsky Forest ... Memrik - the arrival of five tanks was noted for their subsequent advancement to the line of contact of troops
said Basurin.

In addition, in Kurakhovka, located in 13-km from the contact line, "the arrival of three 152-mm towed Hyacinth-B guns and five 122-mm ACS Gvozdika is marked," the command representative added.

He also said that over the past day as a result of the fighting killed one soldier of the army of the Donetsk Republic.

During the defense of the republic, one DPR serviceman died,
said Basurin.
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  1. solzh
    solzh 19 November 2017 17: 11 New
    +6
    APU makes a big mistake. In vain they escalate an already difficult situation.
    1. Monos
      Monos 19 November 2017 17: 17 New
      16
      It seems that Ukrainians received an order from the State Department - to exacerbate the situation in the Donbass to March.
      1. Going
        Going 19 November 2017 17: 33 New
        12
        Without coordination with the curators, they won’t even clean their boots, but here it is.
        1. Logall
          Logall 19 November 2017 17: 40 New
          14
          Quote: Going
          Without coordination with the curators, they won’t even clean their boots, but here it is.

          So much for the message of the trump, as well as the statement of the battalion commanders, etc. etc ... It is possible that aviation is involved ...
          This time they prepare much better! Waiting for trouble ...
          1. Going
            Going 19 November 2017 17: 42 New
            +9
            The situation is escalating in order to annoy Russia and constantly it was possible to cling and strengthen sanctions.
            1. Logall
              Logall 19 November 2017 17: 46 New
              15
              For some reason, it seems to me that this time everything will be more serious. The Yankees decided to draw Russia into this war, by all means ... For this we need a clear preponderance of forces in the direction of vsu!
              1. Going
                Going 19 November 2017 17: 47 New
                +8
                There is such a hunch, everything is very complicated, there is a game of nerves.
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Logall
                The Yankees decided to draw Russia into this war, by all means ..

                Well, they’ll be drawn in. There are enough infantry for the BCH .. Russian air defense and missile artillery attacks will turn on .. How long after this will the infantry of the APU not drape?
                VSU has only one option .. quickly .. very quickly take Donetsk and Lugansk.
                1. Logall
                  Logall 19 November 2017 18: 19 New
                  10
                  Quote: dvina71
                  NU retracted

                  So this is the goal: a powerful political and informational occasion for the further demonization of Russia! Like, here, Russia sent troops into a sovereign state ...
                  The bottom line is to turn away all those who have not turned away ...!
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 22 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Logall
                    The bottom line is to turn away all those who have not turned away ...!

                    As correctly noted in earlier comments .. do not turn away only from the strong. After what happened and is happening in Syria .. this will add to the "negative karma" of the Russian Federation a mere trifle.)))
                    1. Logall
                      Logall 19 November 2017 18: 26 New
                      +9
                      Then, what prevents the introduction of troops now, in order to prevent human casualties?
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 35 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Logall
                        Then, what prevents the introduction of troops now, in order to prevent human casualties?

                        And what prevented Stalin from giving the order to attack Germany first. After all, he wanted to ... called for this France .., England .. everyone who signed up to defend Czechoslovakia. It's very simple - the one who started the war is in a losing situation.
                    2. Logall
                      Logall 19 November 2017 18: 51 New
                      +9
                      Quote: dvina71
                      who started the war is in a losing situation.

                      Here I am explaining this to you: Ukraine is solving its internal conflict! There is a civil war! And any Russian intervention will be regarded as interference from outside ...! Putin declared to the whole world that the Donbass is part of Ukraine ... He also recognized the legitimacy of the Poroshenko government when he signed an agreement with him on the Minsk agreement ... Therefore, the deployment of our troops will be a virtual declaration of war ... What does the United States actually and achieves ...!
                      It was necessary to recognize the Republic earlier ... Now only assistance in the form of weapons ...
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 19 November 2017 19: 01 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Logall
                        He also recognized the legitimacy of the Poroshenko government when he signed an agreement with him “on the Minsk agreement” ...

                        Can you show me Putin’s signature under such an agreement?
                  2. Logall
                    Logall 19 November 2017 19: 13 New
                    +9
                    Putin himself, of course, did not sign it, but Mr. Zurabov did it! Then the ambassador to Ukraine from the Russian Federation] or do you want to say that he did it secretly from Putin?
                    And again, Putin negotiated directly directly with Poroshenko ...
                    What are you clinging to the little things?
                    1. the lord
                      the lord 20 November 2017 01: 26 New
                      +2
                      I wonder, you, broadcasting about the threats to the Russian Federation after the intervention in the conflict between Russians and dill in ruins. you yourself live there or replayed in starcraft? What threats can there be for a nuclear power if it changes the balance of forces in a short time by strikes at all the bases?
                      Will they announce sanctions to us? It after landing in Nikolaev and cleaning of the Sea of ​​Azov from dill? What will they be afraid of for us?
                      No, I understand that our audience is being prepared to think that there is no need to twitch, they say, and so everything will go away. It just will not work. And to admit at least a small chance of the transition of the ruins under the protectorate of Amers will ruin the Russian Federation in the future and the impact on the prestige and opinion of the people about the authorities so much that it’s even scary to imagine the consequences of such a result to our foreign policy.
                      Regarding the recognition of one thing or another there, one can disavow simply by the fact that the pig did not comply with the promises of peace in a short time.
                      1. Logall
                        Logall 20 November 2017 07: 08 New
                        +7
                        I have been to Izvarino more than once! This is the Lugansk Republic ... I don’t play any nonsense! You made such a plan of Barbaross that I calmed down ... A couple more thousand civilians will die and everything will be fine. You are a great pacifist!
                    2. the lord
                      the lord 21 November 2017 00: 04 New
                      0
                      Those. you’ve been to Izvarino. but don’t live there? When you feel nostalgia for your homeland, do you return to Rasseyushka and live in a peaceful, calm life? Yes, a comfortable position: it’s kind of like you participated and visited. And it’s kind of like a world in everything world, if only there wasn’t a war, is it? Clever-s. cunning-s. And you move there at all, comrade, well, for the purity of the experiment in forming opinions, otherwise it affects a lot when the money gentleman returns from the Russian Federation to the LNR, exhausted by the war, Surely you feel yourself as something with one, and them, homespun, with something else.
                      And about "another couple thousand civilians will die" - a very miserable argument. You are without victims junta type Yarosh gathered to drive from here? As in that joke about dystrophics and a bumblebee: "bum-bump, fluttering"? Read Machiavelli, he advised all evil, such as war or seizure of power, to do quickly, so that the people could get tired of suffering and not turn against you. And then the mess is already commensurate in terms with the WWII and WWII. Yes, and interviews with ordinary residents are nowhere to be shown — who knows what they are already thinking about you there, North-Winds?
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 19 November 2017 19: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Logall
            It is possible that aviation is involved.

            All two planes? If in essence, then combat aircraft in Ukraine can be shown, but to apply is already problematic. Aircraft (as well as ammunition), 40 years old, without repair, proper maintenance and without normal pilots.
            1. Logall
              Logall 19 November 2017 20: 50 New
              +7
              And what about the Yankees? With allies well aware of this technique ...
              I do not claim that it will be so, I say - it is possible! Reread ...
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 19 November 2017 18: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Going
          Without coordination with the curators, they won’t even clean their boots, but here it is.


          In the photo next to Basurin, OSCE observers. Will they report to their headquarters again that the militia fired on itself?
          Judging by the tense atmosphere, Washington gave the go-ahead to Kiev to stir up New Year's Eve. All these visits by the American generals of the "gray zone" and the AFU units at the front are not casual. Against this background, the letter of the Yankee soldier to the Pentagon is interesting.
          1. Grandfather Eugene
            Grandfather Eugene 20 November 2017 21: 13 New
            0
            ...) Buy a form is not a problem, a person can be Russian and Ukrainian and Ukrainian-Russian American, qui will sell. On the verge of demagogy and manipulation. In fact, the message in part agrees.
        3. Dimachrus
          Dimachrus 19 November 2017 21: 14 New
          0
          And the curators do not inform them ;-)
          The curators of the "corral" for the baranokiborgs have already built:
          1. Draining ATOshnikov in bulk in the media and social networks + unobtrusive listening (multiplied by the attitude of the majority of Russians to SUCH garbage-eyed people) = mass of unemployed males, ready to earn money without any principles.
          2. The Pshevropeytsy blocked the transit and Panam puffing regularly with the foam of nationalism about the outrageous behavior of their eternal slave force against the background of the “unexpectedly” emerged Bender - we get more biomass unemployed.
          3. Americans are brazenly trying to shove a couple of ship steamers into the nenka
          I think the bourgeoisie arrange a collapse in the price of cannon fodder to the level of “not well, but what am I? There is no work, you need to feed your family. Gas damned Muscovites sell expensive. It’s still winter and cold. clothes and shoes for free, but we can take them home.
      2. Monos
        Monos 19 November 2017 18: 02 New
        +9
        Alexander, Victor, my respect! hi
        The goal is simple - ELECTION. All forces will be thrown to influence them in the direction necessary to Amer. There will be provocations, explosions, and blood in the Donbass, and bribery, and direct intervention. I hope we are ready for this.
        1. Going
          Going 19 November 2017 18: 46 New
          +9
          Good evening Victor! , we are ready for everything, but what is it like for people to be there and how to resolve it all.
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 19 November 2017 19: 56 New
          +3
          Monos hi
          The goal is simple - ELECTION. All forces will be thrown
          100% So it will be. And this is what our people will do. And the main thing is how they will do it. That's the question.
          1. Monos
            Monos 19 November 2017 21: 05 New
            +5
            Greetings Sergey hi
            For me, this is the main result. To achieve this, everyone must fulfill their function: someone to express concern, someone to train l / s of the Republic, someone to do PR, someone to manufacture, someone to multiply by zero barmaley in Syria and so on. We will look at the results.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 19 November 2017 18: 11 New
        0
        Really so much ordered to buy LDNR from the cohles.
        and how much to sell without a big offensive retreat?
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 19 November 2017 19: 06 New
        0
        But what is the point of exacerbating it for the winter? They say it is difficult to fight there in the fall, winter, and spring. Maximum will be artillery duel.
        1. Dimachrus
          Dimachrus 19 November 2017 21: 18 New
          0
          Yes, the organizers do not care - difficult / not difficult, if the goal is not the territory but more blood and destruction.
        2. private person
          private person 19 November 2017 21: 36 New
          0
          And who is attacking the infantry now? Artillery will work out by squares and only then stripping of what remains.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 19 November 2017 21: 48 New
            0
            It’s not about infantry, but about technology. Rains and dirt, everything around turns into a swamp and move, except on the roads it becomes impossible. Including art batteries, deploy and deliver ammunition to them, and maneuver after the position is detected. Well, in addition, in the winter, the percentage of losses will definitely be greater, I’ve been injured - you can’t move yourself if you don’t help, lie to yourself and freeze or freeze the remaining limbs.
      5. starogil
        starogil 19 November 2017 19: 39 New
        0
        Maybe they got it, only the leaders of the LDNR seem to be guided, to their misfortune,
        the guides of our Guarantor-cuntator.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 19 November 2017 17: 17 New
      +4
      This is what we think. They believe the opposite — for them the main thing is a forceful solution to the problem. Two years the Kremlin gave them the opportunity to recover and strengthen their strength. Now we are reaping.
      Quote: solzh
      APU makes a big mistake. In vain they escalate an already difficult situation.
      1. Going
        Going 19 November 2017 17: 32 New
        11
        Quote: Monos
        It seems that Ukrainians received an order from the State Department - to exacerbate the situation in the Donbass to March.


        And all this is preparing for our election.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 19 November 2017 17: 35 New
          +3
          No, probably to laughing soccer championship ...
          Quote: Going
          Quote: Monos
          It seems that Ukrainians received an order from the State Department - to exacerbate the situation in the Donbass to March.


          And all this is preparing for our election.
          1. Going
            Going 19 November 2017 17: 37 New
            +8
            As a further consequence, yes, they want to have a constant irritant for Russia.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 19 November 2017 19: 51 New
          +1
          What about your election? Do you think that there may be more surprises than Ksyusha Sobchak?
          1. Going
            Going 19 November 2017 19: 58 New
            +7
            Yes, there is a lot of activity and the creation of situations involving a popular uprising, in their opinion, and Ksyusha - zero.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 19 November 2017 17: 53 New
        +2
        They won’t do anything. They are well aware of how an attempt to advance may end. No matter how much they are paid, they really want to live. These are reserves for the winter for sabotage and provocation. That’s why the curators pay them. The cIA curators, although cynical, but without cockroaches in their heads, know exactly where the boundaries are allowed, and Putin does not hide this.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 19 November 2017 20: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          No matter how much they are paid, they really want to live.

          Those who advance are not asked what they want. Especially in Ukraine. Moreover, there is a lot of vodka.
      3. dvina71
        dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Two years the Kremlin gave them the opportunity to recover and strengthen their strength. Now we are reaping.

        But VSN means they smoked bamboo all this time .. Do you even compare who and what opposed the APU in 14g .. More or less success began when army structures began to appear .. especially art .. And now VSN is essentially the structure of the RF Armed Forces, judging by the organization , armament and uniform.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 19 November 2017 20: 02 New
          +1
          They still have very different resource capabilities.
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 19 November 2017 19: 50 New
        +2
        They consider the opposite, for them the main thing is the forceful solution to the problem

        Well, I don’t even know. In my opinion, in 2014 they were clearly given to understand that they would not be given any kind of force decision. What has fundamentally changed so that this time they have a forceful solution?
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 20 November 2017 01: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: dvina71
          After what happened and is happening in Syria .. this will add to the "negative karma" of the Russian Federation a mere trifle.)))
          You are deeply mistaken ... As soon as our army’s participation in the war is recorded, Russia will be in deep isolation. Our "friend" China will rub the pens that we are in such a difficult situation and allow ourselves to bargain anything we want. From other countries or little use or they will be silent and assent to a large overseas uncle.
          But this is not all: the nature of Western military assistance for Ukraine will immediately change, emergency supplies will begin not only of communications and dry rations, but simply can connect the APU to the rear supply from the warehouses of the Eastern European armies. Throw mercenary brigades into battle, and this is an almost unlimited resource for such a war.
          Well and most importantly, NATO can organize the so-called "peacekeeping operation" and stupidly back up the APU in parts, at the request of "Poroshenko and all Ukrainians" of course, because they themselves are a friendly military bloc and they have no desire to expand to the east, it just happens.
          US officers have already made private trips along the route from the western border to the east to the ATO zone. This "caravanning" is due to the fact that they are calculating how long they can transfer their advanced detachments and heavy weapons to the battle zone in order to fix the situation at checkpoints and nothing Give, Kiev (Mariupol)! " in such a situation it will be impossible. And without offensive actions, the army of New Russia will only have to maintain their positions, and this is difficult, given the impact of Ukrainian artillery, which can work long and methodically both on defense, and on infrastructure and civilians. there is no depth and fewer prepared lines for forced waste, and the entire defense for so many months of standing has long been opened by the enemy. Therefore, if they survive, it will be very expensive for both them and Russia.
          Therefore, this is not a “trifle”, but a really serious task that NATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine can try to play for the presidential election.
          1. the lord
            the lord 20 November 2017 01: 31 New
            0
            Those. options for an offensive with the support of the videoconferencing and attracting, for example, expeditionary forces from Russian volunteers - a losing option? Worth thinking about the white flag and reparations?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 20 November 2017 09: 48 New
              0
              Those. options for an offensive with the support of the videoconferencing and attracting, for example, expeditionary forces from Russian volunteers - a losing option


              Let's be realistic
              - Attracting a videoconferencing is not real. It’s just that with the open intervention of the Russian Armed Forces, there will be open intervention of the West. In addition, Ukraine has some kind of air defense system.
              - the offensive is also unrealistic. Firstly, an offensive requires a numerical advantage, and it is on the side of Ukrov, and secondly, they have prepared defense there. Such an offensive would choke.
              - there remains only support for "volunteer corps" - this is real, only these corps must still be formed and delivered to the line of contact ..
              1. ghby
                ghby 20 November 2017 19: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                Let's be realistic

                You do not take into account one thing - this is a civil war. On the territory of Ukraine there are sympathizers and supporters of the LDNR, which before the active actions of the LDNR will not manifest themselves in any way, but at a key moment they will play a decisive role.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 20 November 2017 20: 14 New
                  0
                  In Ukraine there are sympathizing and supportive ldnr

                  Maybe there is.
                  but at a key moment will play a decisive role

                  Very much I doubt it. I myself, if anything, sympathize with Ukraine and HP, but I have not seen the opportunity to prove myself or play a decisive role. Of course, except for the opportunity to go to Donbas and fight there on the side of the militia. But those who could do such a thing have already been there for so long.

                  Moreover, regardless of ideological coloring, no normal person would want war to come to his city. Sympathize with the Donbas sympathize, but God forbid that the war and the devastation that there now would have come to their native cities.
              2. the lord
                the lord 21 November 2017 00: 27 New
                0
                Why is involvement of the videoconferencing impossible? It's not about that moment. when we suddenly use the videoconferencing without declaring war. I meant as a means of forcing peace in a period of increasing shelling, in which civilians die. This is where to create a numerical advantage at the expense of volunteer corps with the support of the aerospace forces and with the goal of dropping ukrov to the borders of the LPR. And there you, the opponents of the junta, will begin your work to force Kiev to peace. By the way, in geography it’s not very strong, but it seems that for a long time the steppe does not appear outside the LDNR to the west like large cities; No one will have to destroy the city. Therefore, it will be convenient for both the BCH and the opponents of the junta to restrain the world and to support the "fagots".
                Only we have already frightened ourselves of the "consolidating West against the Russian Federation and the superpower Pentagon." Just something tells us that on their part, only cheeks are inflated or stupidly send a calculation to the firewood with the Baltic states.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 21 November 2017 11: 11 New
                  0
                  By the way, in geography it’s not very strong, but it seems that for a long time it doesn’t occur for a long time outside the LDNR, like the big cities, the steppe

                  Yeah .. a set of villages every couple of kilometers ... There actually was the largest population density in Ukraine before.
          2. dvina71
            dvina71 20 November 2017 02: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            You are deeply mistaken ... As soon as our army’s participation in the war is recorded, Russia will be in deep isolation.

            The annexation of Crimea has already been “fixed” .., that is, forcefully joining the territory .. And we are already in isolation .. though we are sitting tight on something that almost the whole world needs .. And guess three times .. what will be the price of oil, if tomorrow Russia will become unavailable .. and gas too .. It will be such a blow to the European economy that a thermonuclear bomb is not needed. Che there will rub China ... his business .. if you wouldn’t rub anything Che ..
            American officers can go wherever they want .., they will not die for some kind of Ukraine .. Yes, and to compare the capabilities in deploying troops from NATO and the RF Armed Forces ... They already tried to do as we do ... nothing worked out .. wrong size ..
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 20 November 2017 03: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            As soon as our army’s participation in the war is recorded, Russia will be in deep isolation.

            Hello. The direct participation of the Russian army in the war in the Donbass, Ukraine and the whole west, have been shouting with saliva spray for more than three years. That's true, they could not prove in any way, even in our technological age. Even worse, this fact cannot be proved even by Ukrainian courts, which are known for their "truthfulness." But the "strongest army in Europe," got into three meat grinders.
    3. Maz
      Maz 20 November 2017 13: 23 New
      0
      They are pulling Her from Minsk-2. What's the point?
  2. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 November 2017 17: 13 New
    +2
    From the very beginning it was clear that Kiev would not comply with the Minsk Agreement .... The Minsk Agreement is the Kremlin’s mistake ...
    1. Primoos
      Primoos 19 November 2017 17: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Nemesis
      From the very beginning it was clear that Kiev would not comply with the Minsk Agreement .... The Minsk Agreement is the Kremlin’s mistake ...

      Minsk agreements, Parasha mistake. The Kremlin was well aware of the impracticability. But they qualitatively drove the rat into a corner.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 19 November 2017 17: 21 New
        +2
        This agreement doesn’t interfere with Kiev at all, from the word at all ... In Kiev they used to say that: They need Crimea and Donbass without Russians .... The Minsk agreements do not stop Kiev from destroying the Russian population of Donbass (and the Russians are majority) with artillery fire ... So Minsk is a mistake of the Kremlin, if not a crime ...
        1. Going
          Going 19 November 2017 17: 38 New
          +7
          Minsk agreements, Parasha mistake. The Kremlin was well aware of the impracticability. But they qualitatively drove the rat into a corner.


          This is so, but people continue to die.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 20 November 2017 07: 04 New
            +1
            The Kremlin was driven into a corner, and Kiev continues to clean up the Russian population in the Donbass with artillery fire .... The Minsk agreements are a defeat for the Kremlin, not a victory.
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 19 November 2017 17: 38 New
      +3
      don’t have to chop it off your shoulder. Firstly, neither Russia nor Novorossia addressed a proposal for negotiations. There, the position of Russia and New Russia as winners is uniquely indicated. The conditions imposed by the Ukrainian junta were clearly not feasible by them; this is understandable. However, the guarantors of the implementation were Germany and France. Failure to fulfill the junta agreement is a demonstration of the helplessness of the politicians of these countries. Not everyone understands this, but still someone sees it.
      Russia's mistake is that the authorities are trying to negotiate with the "partners" according to the law, according to good. Yes, life teaches me badly, but acting brazenly and cynically, the Russian authorities do not have enough Faberge coolness. Therefore, such garbage.
      In the 50-60s and even a bit at the beginning of the 70s in the same UN, all resolutions emanating from the USSR always had overwhelming support from the international community and did not have to resort to some tricks to get what they wanted. Now the rating of the Russian Federation is lower than the plinth. And no one will support, even the most correct and reasonable initiative. Here, either merge everything again, or we must fight and increase the rating of respect. Unfortunately it turns out due to the lives of Russian people.
      Under normal conditions, subject to all international laws, the junta in Ukraine should have long been destroyed by the UN and the leaders sit. However, now everything is being solved there on the concepts and it is difficult to change something alone, but I repeat - either surrender all or fight
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 19 November 2017 19: 11 New
        +3
        The Minsk agreements drove the Kremlin into losers. Minsk gave Kiev time to mobilize, train and equip the army, and these agreements didn’t give the Kremlin anything but the deaths of hundreds of Russians in the Donbass from Bandera shelling ...
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 19 November 2017 20: 36 New
          0
          Well, there was no chance for Russia to develop an attack on Kiev. Of course, they also made mistakes. But I repeat - the main one is that they believe the "partners" and try to be as honest as possible with them.
          The topic is very complicated. It just cannot be solved in such a way, but Russia has neither the strength nor the ability to act in a snap. Any actions lead to victims, including civilians.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 20 November 2017 07: 05 New
            0
            And it was not necessary to go to Kiev, and not because it was impossible, but because there was no point in feeding local Bandera at the expense of Russia ... It was enough to send troops to the Donbass and Kharkov and no Ukraine would have snooped in there ...
            1. Awaz
              Awaz 20 November 2017 12: 51 New
              +1
              judging by your comments, you have never made difficult decisions with incomprehensible consequences. The junta from Crimea survived on Ur with one blow. The population fully supported all the actions that local that the Russian authorities. In the Donbass, it was no longer so clear. The instigators of the riot were partly citizens of the Russian Federation and not the most influential citizens of Ukraine or even Donbass. From this, the Russian authorities did not climb there. In fact, initially it was not with anyone to conduct any business. In Crimea, everything was within the law. In the Donbass, however, everything is much more complicated. And in both cases there was different support from the population.
              In general, I already began to carry it myself, however, the topic is complex and it was simply not possible to solve it both then and now.
              Now, from a height of years, you can already blame something and someone, but then, I would not ...
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 20 November 2017 12: 59 New
                0
                Everything is much simpler. The problem is that Russia will not bury Yeltsin and his people in any way, and Putin, having returned Crimea to Russia, was afraid of himself. This is the only reason why the Kremlin, with its indecision, arranged a massacre in the Donbass ... Those who erect monuments to Yeltsin and protect them from the people who want to demolish them are not Russian patriots, from the word ALL ... The interests of Gazprom were beaten in the Crimea, They are not in the Donbass, and all this patriotic hype, after the events in the Donbass, turned into a banal box, sewn with white thread.
    3. tracer
      tracer 20 November 2017 01: 03 New
      0
      An agreement is a delay of time. For re-equipment and reorganization and nothing more.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 20 November 2017 07: 07 New
        +1
        It’s just that Kiev is re-equipping and training its army, continuing to clean the Donbass from the Russian population with shelling ... Minsk is a mistake of the Kremlin and its defeat ... and not a victory.
  3. Irek
    Irek 19 November 2017 17: 13 New
    +8
    The curators are "good" and with experience ...
    1. Young_Communist
      Young_Communist 19 November 2017 18: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Irek
      The curators are "good" and with experience ...

      Why doesn’t anyone listen to Russian curators and agents of influence in Libya, Syria, Israel and Ukraine, but listen to the Americans?
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 November 2017 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Young_Communist
        Why doesn’t anyone listen to Russian curators and agents of influence in Libya, Syria, Israel and Ukraine, but listen to the Americans?

        Why does Haftar of Libya listen to us, why does Assad of Syria listen to us, why Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky are listening to us, and they are not listening to the Americans? AND? With Israel, everything is clear, but the Bulgarians have heard enough of the Americans and the pipe bye, bye ... If you yourself are listening to anyone later, what do we have to do with it?
        1. Young_Communist
          Young_Communist 19 November 2017 21: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          But the Bulgarians have heard enough of the Americans and the pipe bye, bye ... If you yourself are listening to anyone later, what do we have to do with it?

          Gee, one more.
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 November 2017 22: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Young_Communist
            Gee, one more.

            Bulgarian?
            1. Young_Communist
              Young_Communist 19 November 2017 22: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              Bulgarian?

              No: one more lonely, never traveled anywhere further than the regional center person who distributes verdicts according to the flags in the comments;)
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 November 2017 22: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Young_Communist
                never farther than the regional center

                Sure? laughing
                Quote: Young_Communist
                which distributes verdicts according to flags in comments

                Oh no, a flag can tell a lot. For example, about black ingratitude

                1. Young_Communist
                  Young_Communist 20 November 2017 00: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: hrych
                  Oh no, a flag can tell a lot.

                  Not at all. We look here. Have you looked carefully? And now "Freely!". As the saying goes "Take a walk, Vasya." laughing

                  1. hrych
                    hrych 20 November 2017 00: 37 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Young_Communist
                    As the saying goes "Take a walk, Vasya."

                    This is not yours, open and show. As the saying goes: "Gyulchatai, open your face ..." laughing Maybe you stole it. It may belong to a woman with a low social responsibility. wassat Well, your comments are bash-buzzing in any case, and therefore, under wartime laws, you are subject to obstruction, especially if you are a citizen of a country that you spit. A nickname in the form of a young Trotskyist communist speaks clearly about political preferences.
                    1. Young_Communist
                      Young_Communist 20 November 2017 00: 59 New
                      +2
                      But how it happened, maneuvers went stern: some kind of "women with low social responsibility", some kind of "spitting". I understand that sitting in a puddle is publicly unpleasant, but humble yourself.
                      To further walk - proceed!
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 20 November 2017 01: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Young_Communist
                        I understand that sitting in a puddle is publicly unpleasant, but humble yourself.

                        Yes, I do not want to wassat I felt ashamed laughing To be honest, absolutely do not care drinks
                      2. the lord
                        the lord 20 November 2017 02: 46 New
                        +1
                        And in what he sat in a puddle? He told the truth about you, but you decided to kill the patchport)))) It's not enough in our time with the possession patchport))))))
            2. tracer
              tracer 20 November 2017 01: 05 New
              0
              " what's the difference "...
  4. Simon
    Simon 19 November 2017 17: 20 New
    0
    Poroshenko does not exist, again wants to drive his grief warrior into the boiler! fool
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 November 2017 17: 21 New
    +4
    That's all, sorry, mouse fuss ... In terms of the scale of "concentration". Platoon there, half a battery - here. This to a military man only says that no REAL concentration of forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine takes place. Attempts to stockpile ammunition in serious quantities end badly. the constant "harassing" fire looks all the more disgusting, especially in residential buildings. And from the living area. To "otvetka" flew over the inhabitants.
    1. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 17: 35 New
      +7
      And from the living area. To "otvetka" flew over the inhabitants.


      Yes, this is all for provocation.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 19 November 2017 20: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      That's all, sorry, mouse fuss ... In terms of the scale of "concentration". Platoon there, half a battery - here. This to a military man only says that no REAL concentration of forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine takes place. Attempts to stockpile ammunition in serious quantities end badly. the constant "harassing" fire looks all the more disgusting, especially in residential buildings. And from the living area. To "otvetka" flew over the inhabitants.

      I would venture to suggest the same thing. Maybe they drag the same thing back and forth like a mobile big top? More importantly, accidental fires and explosions in the ammunition depots for these same tanks and guns. At what maximum distance can a sniper get into a box with shells when they are open?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 20: 20 New
        +8
        Quote: Balu
        At what maximum distance can a sniper get into a box with shells when they are stored open?

        About half a meter somewhere ... but that's why the sniper get into the box with shells? belay
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 November 2017 20: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          About half a meter somewhere ... but why would a sniper get into a box with shells?

          and from 800-1200 meters will not work? belay
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 20: 25 New
            +9
            Quote: Balu
            and from 800-1200 meters will not work?

            As far as I know, snipers do not know how to levitate request
            And yet it is not clear - why did you need a sniper ... in a box from under the shells?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 19 November 2017 21: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Balu
              and from 800-1200 meters will not work?

              As far as I know, snipers do not know how to levitate request
              And yet it is not clear - why did you need a sniper ... in a box from under the shells?

              C'mon, a sniper in the projectile box. This is about a sniper getting a bullet from a rifle into a box with shells so that the banderlogs get upset. Che, a layman cannot be asked from knowledgeable people? Sorry that trouble
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 21: 24 New
                +7
                Quote: Balu
                It's about a sniper getting a bullet from a rifle into a box with shells

                I kind of already answered this ... again, briefly:
                1. Bullet 7.62 You will not do anything to the shell.
                2. Bullet 12.5 - perhaps something will work out, but again, hardly.
                9. The sniper's tasks include shooting manpower. Primarily. Undermining ammunition depots is a task for artillery / aviation / saboteurs, etc. But definitely not a sniper.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 20 November 2017 00: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You won't do anything to the shell

                  Well, there are incendiary bullets, or rather, there are almost none now, there are armor-piercing incendiary bullets, they contain phosphorus, termite, etc., which can ignite anything, there are explosive bullets with explosives, these can cause ammunition detonation. Those. theoretically using the appropriate nomenclature, it is possible and necessary to solve the problem of ignition and detonation. Ammunition is loaded, transported, unloaded. They themselves do not appear in the dugout. Therefore, it will not be fantasy if someone takes off into the air. Well, the tracer bullet still has an incendiary effect, but it will produce a sniper. laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 07: 08 New
                    +7
                    Quote: hrych
                    theoretically using the appropriate nomenclature, it is possible and necessary to solve the problem of ignition and detonation


                    Recall the "original task":
                    Quote: Balu
                    At what maximum distance can a sniper get into a box with shells when they are stored open?

                    Quote: Balu
                    and from 800-1200 meters will not work?


                    So, we want to get into the projectile (or charge) for 1000 m. From the SVD, let's say (but where does the army sniper get something else? I don’t know ...).
                    If we take into account, the average diameter of the scattering of the SVD by 1000 m is not less than half a meter, we get that you can, of course, get ... but only with a lot of luck.
                    And when you consider that the shell is in the box, and the box, oddly enough, is opaque - the idea is initially delusional.
                    What I, in fact, said above.
                    That's all request
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 20 November 2017 10: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And when you consider that the shell is in the box, and the box, oddly enough, is opaque - the idea is initially delusional.

                      Quite the contrary, the box is our goal (Balu talked about the box) or, say, a truck loaded with boxes. laughing For me, this is the highest priority goal, since it has come into the optical field of view, of course, the adversary must understand this and the situation is rare, but taking into account the headaches of the Armed Forces and the Terbats, I recommend it because of my impudence laughing carry the ammunition list with you drinks
                2. Kelevro
                  Kelevro 20 November 2017 05: 34 New
                  0
                  Sorry, but the sniper's priorities are completely different. It all depends on the task. And then He himself determines the importance of goals. And there is a rating, including removal / destruction of equipment, ammunition .....
            2. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 19 November 2017 21: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Balu
              and from 800-1200 meters will not work?

              As far as I know, snipers do not know how to levitate request
              And yet it is not clear - why did you need a sniper ... in a box from under the shells?


              made laugh. But still, if not by yourself, but by a bullet, with a caliber of 12,7 mm or higher?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 22: 22 New
                +7
                Quote: Fil743
                But still, if not by yourself, but by a bullet, with a caliber of 12,7 mm or higher?

                Duc, and I'm talking about - the higher the caliber, the closer the success.
                To get a bullet from 800 meters into a shell, in box... um, I would not have taken it with 100% probability. Like the charge, lying in the same box.
                Moreover, it is even provided that this box is in a clean field, open. If he’s lying behind a cover, there’s nothing for the sniper to catch there at all.
                And in a clean field, shells are usually not stored. He served in the army, tanks, a little in the know how to handle ammunition ... this is so, in any case.
                These are simple considerations.
                1. tracer
                  tracer 21 November 2017 03: 05 New
                  0
                  A fighter stands with an SVD rifle on which the NSPU night vision sight is mounted. By the age of 80, it is already out of date. The batteries were all dead or always dead. After using the sight of this eye hurt so that it seemed to come out. It was not good for people with modern sights to detect an NSPU like two fingers on asphalt ... As soon as they were not exposed ... And a shot at 1350 meters with a hit in a growth target is one in a thousand cases. I do not argue perhaps, but in the caliber SVD (everyone knows him) this is an exception. You can shoot and make three shots until the first bullet reaches the target, the chance to hit is already 3 and not one. A knowledgeable person will always figure out sniper "tales", especially since he himself created some ...
  6. Lavrenti Pavlovich
    Lavrenti Pavlovich 19 November 2017 17: 38 New
    +4
    This circus is already tired. And here someone else is discussing these nonsense. Every day the same thing, every day they pull someone together, shoot somewhere (out of thousands of shells launched in Donetsk, one civilian was killed). It seems that everyone is happy with everything, journalists are provided with scribbling for every day, Bandera men wash money, it’s convenient for stripers to pull Kiev’s strings and put pressure on Russia. people do not care. Politically, nothing will be allowed, only a child can believe. Nobody will change the power in Kiev, unlike the cowardly Yanukovych, the piggy will not give up power and will disperse the new Maidan, if it is still assembled, if not by the National Guard, like tanks. We are frightened that the war between Russia and Ukraine is only beneficial for Zapad-delirium, no one is going to fight with Ukraine, but to clean up and destroy the Bandera people, who have nothing to do with the Slavs, this is a good thing and will help strengthen relations between Russia and Ukraine.
    1. Going
      Going 19 November 2017 17: 46 New
      +7
      We are frightened that the war between Russia and Ukraine is only beneficial for Zapad-delirium, no one is going to fight with Ukraine, but to clean up and destroy the Bandera people, who have nothing to do with the Slavs, this is a good thing and will go to strengthen relations between Russia and Ukraine.


      Sooner or later, but it will be so, but it is a pity for people who live under all this.
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  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 19 November 2017 17: 47 New
    +6
    To know what’s in the head of our commander-in-chief ...
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 November 2017 02: 20 New
      +5
      Marinochka Vitalievna I welcome love love love
      To know what’s in the head of our commander-in-chief ...

      Of course, I have nothing against female curiosity. But if you recognize His thoughts, you will automatically become the bearer of the State Secret. You no longer have any freedom without supervision, is it worth the dressing skin? love love love
  8. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 19 November 2017 17: 49 New
    +2
    Don’t worry, citizens ... This is such a cunning Putin plan. To distract attention from Syria ... And in Syria we bomb to divert attention from the Donbass. Then we will impose sanctions against Minsk in order to divert attention from turning Siberian rivers to Africa ... In the Kremlin, these plans are huge !!! And all are tricky. You have to understand ...
  9. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 19 November 2017 17: 49 New
    +1
    Russia does not have its own elite. And those who keep their honestly stolen in Western banks are not their own elite.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      Russia does not have its own elite

      Merchants were never the elite of Russia .. and now they are not ..
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 19 November 2017 19: 06 New
        0
        Nobody writes about merchants. Thieves in power, here is the elite but ours.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 19 November 2017 19: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          thieves in power, here is the elite but ours.

          Well, it can be yours ... not mine. Mine is our military in Syria, scientists, managers, athletes, builders ..
          1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
            Lavrenti Pavlovich 19 November 2017 20: 51 New
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            thieves in power, here is the elite but ours.

            Well, it can be yours ... not mine. Mine is our military in Syria, scientists, managers, athletes, builders ..

            Unfortunately, there are a lot of deputies-db (weak-minded tyrants) in the State Duma, oligarchs grabbers, and a lot of corrupt officials - all of this is also Russia. There is no getting away from this yet, and corrupt liberals, I think, are even more dangerous - shifters in power.
  10. K-50
    K-50 19 November 2017 17: 59 New
    0
    Everything is quite simple.
    Having received their faces in Syria, pin dos plans returned to Urkain. Which is convenient enough for them in terms of logistics and support by various "allies". As well as increased "irritation" for Russia.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 19 November 2017 18: 16 New
    0
    It looks like Ukraine’s place in Europe, without Donbass there? So there will be a war very soon. The budget of Ukraine for 18 years has been entirely adopted in favor of the security forces, the internal rhetoric does not change. There is not even a hint that external curators are trying to negotiate with Putin
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 November 2017 20: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      It looks like Ukraine’s place in Europe, without Donbass there? So there will be a war very soon.

      Duc already seems to have appointed, the authors of VO, the war on November 7? Maybe it has already begun and ended ?! Victor Kamenev, please explain. After all, this is your article called: "The war will begin 07.11.2017" lol
      And how shameful it should be for those 314 -and who put the pluses under this nonsense !!!
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 18: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Nemesis
    From the very beginning it was clear that Kiev would not comply with the Minsk Agreement .... The Minsk Agreement is the Kremlin’s mistake ...

    Do you really want to speak out? Well, then, what’s on the Kremlin? In addition to the Kremlin, France and Germany are participating there!
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  14. stolz
    stolz 19 November 2017 18: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Going
    The situation is escalating in order to annoy Russia and constantly it was possible to cling and strengthen sanctions.

    And why is Russia annoyed, Ukraine is fighting on its territory, with its separatists?
    After all, no one was particularly worried when Russia did the same in Chechnya.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 19 November 2017 18: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Stolz
      After all, no one was particularly worried when Russia did the same in Chechnya.

      What..? Freedom House .. I didn’t get out of there .. and each representative of the Western media pointed out to the leadership of Russia and the Army, in particular, how to conduct a CTO .. ​​And if something went wrong .. such slops poured ...
  15. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 18: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: Nemesis
    This agreement doesn’t interfere with Kiev at all, from the word at all ... In Kiev they used to say that: They need Crimea and Donbass without Russians .... The Minsk agreements do not stop Kiev from destroying the Russian population of Donbass (and the Russians are majority) with artillery fire ... So Minsk is a mistake of the Kremlin, if not a crime ...

    No big words! To accuse a crime, you need to at least a little understanding of politics ...
  16. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 19 November 2017 19: 24 New
    +6
    If you believe the analytics of this site, which rubs about pulling artillery every day, every week, every month ....
    That begs the question: either you are liars, or there are already more than 100 billion artillery there.
    (Well, or in addition to continuous pumping, it is sometimes necessary to inform about the withdrawal of artillery, otherwise you can be mistaken for those who you are).
  17. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2017 19: 31 New
    +2
    So the columns seem to have been smashed by a successful accurate shelling, according to the same DNR. Or when you lied?
  18. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 November 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    Intelligence of the Donetsk People's Republic discovered 23 units of large-caliber artillery systems and tanks of Ukrainian security forces near the contact line in the Donbass

    Not tired yet, every month like posting? By the way, how is the beginning of the war appointed by the author of VO on November 7? Pluses were more than three hundred. laughing
  19. DPN
    DPN 19 November 2017 20: 00 New
    0
    So it should have been, from the boilers they came to their senses, rested, accumulated strength, technicians increased and the USA promised something and secretly gave it, it means that we can already start Europe for it. The question in one is coward Poroshenko or not?
    A new generation of 25 year olds has grown, probably Russia is already late, but it's a pity.
  20. Victorio
    Victorio 19 November 2017 20: 25 New
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    APU tanks and artillery to the line of contact
    ===========
    it’s not so much that in the 14th, with a powerful answer, in the event of their attack, it’s impossible to delay
  21. Baloo
    Baloo 19 November 2017 20: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Balu
    and from 800-1200 meters will not work?

    As far as I know, snipers do not know how to levitate request
    And yet it is not clear - why did you need a sniper ... in a box from under the shells?

    I meant to get a bullet from a rifle to deprive the enemy of shells. I am a civilian couch general, am I such a profane interest excusable?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 20: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Balu
      I meant to get a bullet from a rifle to deprive the enemy of shells

      Sorry my banter, I realized what you meant.
      I, too, am not a sniper, but I have a justified IMHU on the topic: making detonating a projectile from a rifle bullet hit ... is unrealistic. A sniper with 12,5, perhaps, has some chances, but, IMHO, again small.
      That is, to undermine the ammunition depot is a task for artillery, and not for a sniper nevertheless. And get out of it, and kick ... stronger.
      That something like this.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 19 November 2017 21: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Sorry my banter, I realized what you meant.

        Yes, a stupid question, but sometimes amateurs find a simple effective solution. I remember in the first Chechen media it was said that the Chechens made home-made mortars using a driveshaft from KAMAZ. I do not think that such a thing can be used for a long time, but it’s a pity to throw it in the rear of the banderlogs, if that.
        Actually different, as one of the reasons for the immediate aggravation of the situation in the Donbass. Savchenko said that on the Maidan, snipers fired from the windows of a building controlled by the Maidan. An interesting message on a nearby branch: in Italy, the documentary film "Ukraine, hidden truths" is shown ...
        Source: https://politexpert.net/76927-nepriyatnaya-pravda
        -dlya-kieva-na-tv-pokazali-film-s-priznaniyami-sn
        aiperov-evromaidana? utm_source = warfiles.ru
        So there is no trace of Yanukovych in the events of those days. Two Two Georgians and two Lithuanians under the leadership of a Ukrainian and an American ....
        Source: https://politexpert.net/76927-nepriyatnaya-pravda
        -dlya-kieva-na-tv-pokazali-film-s-priznaniyami-sn
        aiperov-evromaidana? utm_source = warfiles.ru
        Back in 2014, our channels showed recognition of the banderlog from Lviv, who stated that he shot on the Maidan. Then, including on VO there was a photo of another shooter and on TV a short video of this moron. I do not remember whether he was captured or killed in the anti-terrorist operation zone.
        I wonder what will happen in this unfortunate, god-damned country tomorrow.
  22. 72jora72
    72jora72 20 November 2017 00: 27 New
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    But what is the point of exacerbating it for the winter? They say it is difficult to fight there in the fall, winter, and spring. Maximum will be artillery duel.
    I’ll tell you a secret theredifficult to fight at any time of the year ......
  23. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 November 2017 00: 49 New
    0
    Do you have GPS navigators? Commit and report. The observer, when necessary, will give a short SMS, and go.
  24. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 20 November 2017 20: 51 New
    0
    Bendery "dance" under the direction of Fasciston
  25. DPN
    DPN 20 November 2017 21: 05 New
    0
    Poroshenko draws pleasure, he has already restored the APU, Russia allowed him this, what's next? will allow.