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On war as war: what will be the asymmetrical response of Russia to new American sanctions?

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On war as war: what will be the asymmetrical response of Russia to new American sanctions?



After 29, January 2018 will take effect a new package of anti-Russian sanctions from the United States, which could have disastrous consequences for our economy. Strict restrictions are directed, first of all, against the energy and financial sector, which will extremely painfully affect the implementation of promising oil and gas projects.

The US State Department put a number of conditions in place to lift these sanctions: renunciation of the Crimea, implementation of the Minsk Agreements and termination of illegal cyber interference. In essence, they want to deprive us of sovereignty and territorial integrity, and in fact recognize the surrender.

Now the most important. What answer can Russia give to the overwhelming politicians from Washington? Many experts and political scientists suggest that we take the so-called Ukrainian path. Namely: to prohibit the supply of titanium for Boeing, the RD 180 rocket engines for Atlas and, as they say, further down the list.

But the scale of such a response is absolutely incomparable with the actions of US sanctions, not to mention the fact that it would cause serious damage to domestic producers. Therefore, in order to cool the hot heads overseas, you need a hard, non-specular and, if you like, inadequate response.

I mean a whole range of activities that will force America to roll back its widely publicized sanctions. So, in order.
1) It is urgent to get rid of US federal loan bonds, in which today we have invested 103,9 billion dollars. Part of the funds can be spent on the purchase of gold, the other part is directed to the creation of a Russian investment bank. Due to Western sanctions, our economy is in dire need of cheap loans for long periods. We kill two birds with one stone: we will stimulate production growth and at the same time deal a heavy reputational blow to the US financial system.
2) Already no one doubts the fact that the Minsk process ordered everyone to live long. It is necessary, in the end, recognize LDNR. At the same time, there should be a leak in the media that Russia plans to create two military bases on the territory of the republics.
3) Without waiting for the entry into force of US sanctions, begin negotiations with the governments of Cuba and Venezuela to establish military bases there.
4) If the US does go to the implementation of the so-called "secondary" sanctions, which provide for tough measures against third countries for cooperation with Russia, that is, try to push us into a corner, then our country can decide on more radical steps. For example, to withdraw from the regime of sanctions against the DPRK and sharply strengthen trade and economic, and possibly military cooperation. The fact is that the ruling circles in Washington will never dare to launch a “hot” war against North Korea, so that Donald Trump will not declare there. Millions of victims in 21 - th century, no one needs. In fact, they expect to choke her economically with the help of Russia and China, but without our support, the Americans will remain, as they say, with nothing.

We all understand that the United States respects only force. That is why Russia should give them a hard, painful and asymmetrical response.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 20 November 2017 06: 03 New
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    Yes, all these points are true .. Only in the Kremlin they won’t do it .... The gut is thin. Yes, the financial-oligarchic elite is completely and completely dependent on the striped uncle.
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 20 November 2017 06: 13 New
      +6
      Yes, the financial and oligarchic elite is entirely dependent on the striped uncle


      Not only. Our entire economy is repelled by the dollar ... ordinary citizens will also suffer.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 November 2017 06: 39 New
        +5
        Do they really think about them? When adopting sanctions or anti-sanctions?
        Quote: Kleber
        Yes, the financial and oligarchic elite is entirely dependent on the striped uncle


        Not only. Our entire economy is repelled by the dollar ... ordinary citizens will also suffer.
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 20 November 2017 06: 41 New
          +2
          They think, especially when the elections are on the nose.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 20 November 2017 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Kleber
        ... ordinary citizens will also suffer.

        The people have nothing to lose but their own chains. But the rich, these yes. Already fussing! Buying real estate by Russians in Italy, Cyprus, London. .. doubled! So, the best part of our people (those who live better, and those who "do not need to envy") are already preparing departure routes. Just in case! They will worry about the fate of Russia from abroad. What is not the unity of the people in a moment of danger!
        That's what ... Putin canceled deoffshorization ?? What was he scared of? At this time, all the money that you can, you need to return from the West!
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 20 November 2017 09: 22 New
          +8
          On war as war: what will be the asymmetrical response of Russia to new American sanctions?

          The most asymmetric response to the sanctions will be a rapid increase in Russia's gold reserves. Gold needs to be bought at an accelerated pace (which is now being done), having accumulated it as much as possible, the dollar will no longer be scary. And sanctions will not be so important: having such a golden pillow, it will be possible without fear to play the game against the US dollar. And this will be our asymmetric response to sanctions. But sorry, it will not be soon. But it will be! Isn’t it just that Putin cares about the gold reserve? Look at how much he increased during his reign. And by voting for Putin in the elections, we thereby bring the collapse of the United States closer.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 20 November 2017 09: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Gold needs to be bought at an accelerated pace (which is now being done), having accumulated it as much as possible, the dollar will no longer be scary. And sanctions will not be so important: having such a golden pillow, it will be possible without fear to play the game against the US dollar.



            Ahem ... With all due respect to you, I would like to draw on the main component of the "future" January sanctions: they are intended mainly to strike a blow at the development of oil and gas production in Russia ... They put sticks in the wheels and build obstacles on the receipt by Russia of technologies, as well as long-term financing of projects (the same oil and gas pipelines) ...
            If a ban is imposed on the sale of US technologies, then gold will not help ...
            That's the problem...
            And, unfortunately - in fact - we don’t have an adequate answer ..... no hi
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 20 November 2017 11: 59 New
              +7
              Quote: weksha50
              If a ban is imposed on the sale of US technologies, then gold will not help ...

              So we will develop our technologies - sanctions will force our clumsy oil and gas companies to do this. They will build factories for technological equipment for the extraction (which is already being done) of oil and gas. We will have to close the gap in technological lag in exploration. I think that they’re already working on it: our president will not let everything go by chance.
              Our adequate response to the sanctions: to continue to work, and not to panic. hi
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 20 November 2017 12: 45 New
                10
                For the development of technology, scientists and engineers are needed.

                And all promising scientists and engineers seek to go abroad and preferably forever.

                As the people say, “Tsung Tsvang”;)
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 20 November 2017 14: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Krabik
                  For the development of technology, scientists and engineers are needed.
                  And all promising scientists and engineers seek to go abroad and preferably forever.

                  For the development of technology you need to attract scientists and engineers of the military industrial complex! Together with specialized engineers and scientists, they will turn the mountains. It just needs to be done at the state level, and not at the mercy of "defective" managers.
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 20 November 2017 16: 37 New
                    +7
                    Effective managers who grew up in the Yeltsin era are replacing the old Soviet cadres and take my word for sucking others out of the finger by no means;)

                    One such wife came to work and fired all accounting at 5 schools with a hundred teachers and other workers.

                    And in another, I dispersed half of the teachers from school%)

                    If they screwed them up on the carpet, they call and they hide as switchmen, firing them in advance.

                    And this is from my personal life, and also the same situation in the military-industrial complex, which was voiced at VO repeatedly.

                    Therefore, it is surprising that here someone is waiting for Zircon or new air defense systems for frigates they are corny no one to do.

                    Although there is a chance that it will put the old systems by calling them new names ...
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 20 November 2017 21: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: SRC P-15
                I think that they’re already working on it: our president will not let everything go by chance.


                I just hope so ... But someone is very afraid, and these sanctions are being forced ...
                But in fact, in fact, Siberia is not completely explored in our country, and work in the Arctic is a lot of work ... hi
            2. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 20 November 2017 17: 25 New
              +8
              Quote: weksha50
              And, unfortunately - in fact - we have no adequate answer - NO

              Where will it come from when domestic demand will fall catastrophically due to the beggarly earnings of the overwhelming majority of the people? Who will the enterprises work for? Therefore, only export is developing, the rest is in the pen.
            3. woron333444
              woron333444 23 November 2017 06: 22 New
              +1
              Qatar is invested in Russian gas and oil. This is their money and there will be their technology. Technology is not in the United States, but in the Arabs.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 20 November 2017 12: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Isn’t it just that Putin cares about the gold reserve? Look at how much he increased during his reign. And by voting for Putin in the elections, we thereby bring the collapse of the United States closer.

            Roughly speaking, from 300 tons to 1790 tons. Almost 6 times. In terms of green, this pillow is estimated at around 75-80 billion dollars and is fully stored in Russia.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 20 November 2017 13: 30 New
              +4
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              In terms of green, this pillow is estimated at around 75-80 billion dollars and is fully stored in Russia.


              Hey. Yes, it is, but $ 100 lard is still kept in American stamp papers in American banks. Here they must be picked out. yes
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 20 November 2017 13: 41 New
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                Quote: Lelek
                but $ 100 lard is still kept in American stamp papers in American banks. Here they must be picked out. yes

                There is such a joke)
                Gathers a trump meeting in an oval office and says there:
                "I signed a decree on the allocation of another 10mln Baku to supply weapons to the Syrian opposition, to deter Russia there in general!"
                “Mr. President says to us, damn it, the budget does not have such money at all!”
                -Trump -great nothing, you there finish the treasury bonds, we will borrow from the Russians.)))))))
                And then not a damn funny.
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 20 November 2017 13: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And then not a damn funny.


                  Where so, how ridiculous. But you need to do something about it. Thousands of “eggheads” have been planted for this budget budget. fool
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 20 November 2017 14: 15 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Lelek
                    But you need to do something about it.

                    It is necessary !!!
                    Only there is nobody there, but we have no time ...
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 20 November 2017 13: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Lelek
                Hey. Yes, it is, but $ 100 lard is still kept in American stamp papers in American banks. Here they must be picked out.

                Hi Leo! We will return these 100 lards over time, but let them lie down for now. If the mattresses arrest them, then they will scare away all of their creditors, who will begin to dump their securities since they will not be sure that they will not suffer the same fate, and this is, in the first place, fraught with the USA itself.
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 20 November 2017 13: 55 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  thereby, they scare away all of their creditors, who will begin to dump their securities


                  Entertainer: "And now, the famous Japanese singer Simura Yokusuka will perform the song" Tomli Poisoned, "which means" doubt "in Russian."
                  So I, sniffing, doubt the words you said. yes
                2. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 20 November 2017 17: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  and this is primarily fraught for the United States itself

                  Iranian precedent does not count?
                3. weksha50
                  weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Hi Leo! We will return these 100 lards over time, but let them lie down for now. If the mattresses arrest them, then they will scare away all their creditors.


                  Recently, vague conspiracy theological thoughts have come to me ... directly - they are pursuing ... The bottom line is that Russia, as a yasak-dues-payer of the USA, pays ... for something ... That's what I don’t know ...
                  God grant that these thoughts of mine were simply stupid and unreasonable ...
                  1. Antianglosax
                    Antianglosax 21 November 2017 14: 13 New
                    +4
                    Quote: weksha50
                    Recently, vague conspiracy theological thoughts have come to me ... directly - they are pursuing ... The bottom line is that Russia, as a yasak-dues-payer of the USA, pays ... for something ... That's what I don’t know ...
                    God grant that these thoughts of mine were simply stupid and unreasonable ...

                    The same story. It seems that the geek and the drunk ebn signed some kind of bonded Yeltsin pact unaware of anything! Well, they can’t just so, just by greed and stupidity, our authorities crawl and crawl on the belly in front of the inhumanes of the Anglo-Zionists, causing enormous damage to their country!
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Roughly speaking, from 300 tons to 1790 tons. Almost 6 times. In terms of green, this pillow is estimated at around 75-80 billion dollars and is fully stored in Russia.


              I tried to convey my thought above ... The fact that the gold reserve is growing is good ... But there is a danger: if the US "builds a fence" in front of banks and corporations to interact with Russia, then we will not be sold any technology, no machinery ...
              We are talking about the development of huge reserves of the Arctic? Already getting ready to defend-defend her?
              But here is OWN equipment for mining on the Arctic shelf, we do not have ...
              So it may happen that in the desert, with a backpack full of gold bars, Odysseus_Moses crawled and crawled, and ... didn’t crawl ...
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 20 November 2017 22: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: weksha50
                if the US "builds a fence" in front of banks and corporations to interact with Russia, then we will not be sold any technology, no equipment ... We are talking about developing vast reserves of the Arctic. Are we getting ready to defend it, defend it? Only here is YOUR equipment for we have no production on the Arctic shelf - no ...

                Well, not everything is so bad))) There are already their own technologies and their equipment. Tested in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug in 2016. The result is positive. Here is a link to the material. http://vegchel.ru/?newsid=28028
                Quote: weksha50
                So it may happen that in the desert, with a backpack full of gold bars, Odysseus_Moses crawled and crawled, and ... didn’t crawl ...

                There are no businessmen who do not want to profit from their business. If they can’t sell directly, they will sell through intermediaries and third countries.
              2. Zefr
                Zefr 24 November 2017 20: 06 New
                0
                Why do we need the Arctic if they are not allowed to sell gas and oil? Let it lie. This good will not turn sour. Why is everyone eager to sell it like that? addicts or something, to drag everything from home?
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 20 November 2017 23: 57 New
          0
          Money from the West does not return. Not for that they stole here and got out there. Yes, and will not be allowed to return technically. Only if the aligarchs here wring out factories and other assets, like a hodor at one time, are purely in the legal field.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 November 2017 13: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          That's what ... Putin canceled deoffshorization ?? What was he scared of? At this time, all the money that you can, you need to return from the West!

          if put together - deoffshorization, Kudrin, Gref, Chubais, a monument to the victims of repression, etc., etc. ... Putin turns out to be completely different !! The king is not real !!
    2. populist
      populist 20 November 2017 06: 19 New
      +9

      210ox
      Yes, all of these points are true.

      All these are weak measures. We have no serious leverage over the USA. None seem to be there.
      1. zulusuluz
        zulusuluz 20 November 2017 06: 56 New
        +6
        All these are weak measures. We have no serious leverage over the USA. None seem to be there.
        Suggest giving up? Or, still, start working in this regard?
        You can finally begin to give out to the public the corpses of the American ISIS "instructors", close the airspace for them, and, announcing somewhere in the UN about their gang behavior in Syria, begin to expel them from there.
        1. demos1111
          demos1111 20 November 2017 20: 32 New
          +1
          please don’t kick me much. I suggest printing thirty-three trillion dollars and scattering it around the world.
          This will make them live like everyone else at their own expense. Even if these problems are not ideal, but not determined by regular banking machines, the mattresses will be sorted out for now.
          It will be right to warn them directly about this.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 06 New
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            Quote: demos1111
            I suggest printing thirty-three trillion dollars and scattering it around the world.
            This will make them live like everyone else at their own expense. Even if these pots are not perfect,


            Um ... A return to the old ... the USSR was doing this ... Germany was doing this ... Still some states were also doing such things ...
            So your idea is not new ...
            However ... There is something in it ... laughing
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 November 2017 14: 54 New
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            Quote: demos1111
            I suggest printing thirty-three trillion dollars and scattering it around the world.

            wild dollar inflation will occur, and our ZV reserves will decline. In general: the land area is 510 million square kilometers. This is 65 thousand dollars per square kilometer! At a cost of a bill of 10 cents, a total of 300 billion dollars would be required, without the cost of spraying on Earth! Our entire budget is not enough laughing
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 20 November 2017 23: 59 New
          +2
          Yes, it’s already tired of it, there will be no such thing from the word NEVER. All grandmas in the west, they can easily be squeezed out.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 20 November 2017 13: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: populist
        All these are weak measures. We have no serious leverage over the USA. None seem to be there.

        Yes, to complete you, we just didn’t even start to push seriously, we are acting in response, not advancing, hoping that common sense will come back to the USA, but apparently it’s in vain.
    3. andrewkor
      andrewkor 20 November 2017 06: 25 New
      +7
      I’ve taken it off my tongue, I subscribe to your words! For a long time it was necessary to answer, and not to chew snot, but those who cover the GDP will not let this happen! However, we will see!
      1. esaul
        esaul 20 November 2017 07: 19 New
        10
        Quote: andrewkor
        but those who cover the GDP will not allow this! However, we will see!

        More details, please. I'd like to know who is the roof. Only, please, not by the cock - the main thing is to crow, but there at least do not blossom - but objective references to evidence.
        I'm afraid you won’t succeed. For decades, all the power structures of the West have been digging the earth with their nicks in search of compromising evidence on Putin, and all to no avail. Maybe you are more successful in this?
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 20 November 2017 07: 51 New
          +3
          In general, digging the heels of the earth is not entirely effective, especially in search of “compromising evidence.” And they dig there, moles are not enough in the FSB, and even those double ones, this is where you have to dig! And my assumptions are only based on an analysis of the whole spectrum I’m not interested in “digging” for GDP, I’m not so liberal. During the period of my reign, VVP could have done more, and who doesn’t give what, what’s the question?
          1. esaul
            esaul 20 November 2017 07: 58 New
            +4
            Thanks for the correct answer, Andrey. I do not advise, but share some considerations - relying only on the opinion of colleagues from VO, you can get a subjective opinion. Although, very many of our colleagues with you are very healthy and competent people, which prompted me to "draw" here again for some time.
            Best regards drinks
            1. andrewkor
              andrewkor 20 November 2017 13: 29 New
              +1
              Mutually, I don’t even want to go to lethargy for many people, not the level of competence and experience, but some conclusions I can draw to the best of my ability!
        2. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 20 November 2017 08: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: esaul
          For decades, all the power structures of the West have been digging the earth with their nicks in search of compromising evidence on Putin, and all to no avail.

          Why do you think so? As for me, it’s quite successful.
          The Americans wanted to - fired at the Tomahawks, wanted to - imposed sanctions, wanted to - mocked diplomats. And Putin is always pleased with all sorts of nabiulins and curls. Credentials are regularly renewed and all that jazz. And an adequate response to this incomplete list of provocations has not yet been received to date.
          Consequently, Putin walks on their short leash.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2017 08: 56 New
            +4
            Quote: forty-eighth
            Quote: esaul
            For decades, all the power structures of the West have been digging the earth with their nicks in search of compromising evidence on Putin, and all to no avail.

            Why do you think so? As for me, it’s quite successful.
            The Americans wanted to - fired at the Tomahawks, wanted to - imposed sanctions, wanted to - mocked diplomats. And Putin is always pleased with all sorts of nabiulins and curls. Credentials are regularly renewed and all that jazz. And an adequate response to this incomplete list of provocations has not yet been received to date.
            Consequently, Putin walks on their short leash.

            Kudrin sensibly reduced taxes
            Sakhipzadovna did not let the ruble fall into tartarara ...
            What is bad about them?
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 20 November 2017 09: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar

              Kudrin sensibly reduced taxes
              Sakhipzadovna did not let the ruble fall into tartarara ...
              What is bad about them?

              I mentioned them for the sake of words, because many on the site consider them agents of Western influence. I am more cautious in such an assessment, but in general I have a rather cool attitude towards them. Why - the topic of a separate wall of text on this subject.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 20 November 2017 10: 05 New
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            Quote: forty-eighth
            Putin walks on their short leash.

            And not only them! The question was, who is roofing Putin? Yes, it’s obvious, Chubais is roofing. How to give a drink! This is not necessary to prove. Everything is on the surface! All Russia knows that Chubais is a sworn enemy. Hero of the 90s! A seasoned destroyer of Russia! ... But Putin doesn’t know this ?? Yes, he knows best! But there is nothing he can do about it to free Russia from Chubais. So it turns out that Chubais is sitting over Putin. Yes chuckles!
            But it’s interesting if Putin suddenly, instead of himself, nominates Chubais for the election (Chubais orders!), Then they are Confused, will they also vote for him? Confused, give feedback.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 November 2017 10: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: forty-eighth
              Putin walks on their short leash.

              And not only them! The question was, who is roofing Putin? Yes, it’s obvious, Chubais is roofing. How to give a drink! This is not necessary to prove. Everything is on the surface! All Russia knows that Chubais is a sworn enemy. Hero of the 90s! A seasoned destroyer of Russia! ... But Putin doesn’t know this ?? Yes, he knows best! But there is nothing he can do about it to free Russia from Chubais. So it turns out that Chubais is sitting over Putin. Yes chuckles!
              But it’s interesting if Putin suddenly, instead of himself, nominates Chubais for the election (Chubais orders!), Then they are Confused, will they also vote for him? Confused, give feedback.

              And above Chubais the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Soros. Is there a better candidate than Putin?
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 November 2017 11: 44 New
                +6
                Quote: Krasnodar
                And above Chubais the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Soros. Is there a better candidate than Putin?

                Maybe not. All the same, Putin is balancing, supporting the elite and the people do not forget, and he defends the interests of Russia (the elite?) Before the West. And what will happen after Putin? This hour, then for any Putin will go for the next term. And then what, when the elite of the new receiver nominates? I’m not sure that the new one from United Russia will not forget the people while the elite is enriched. Yes, and before the world oligarchy can flinch!
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel 20 November 2017 08: 04 New
      +5
      The Kremlin would go under Putin, but cannot ... This is hindered by our corrupt oligarchic elite and traitors in the government .... The question of withdrawing our reserves home arose immediately after the introduction of the first sanctions against us, but it has not yet been resolved , traitors in government interfere, a third of our reserves are still in America. Do not hesitate, these reserves will immediately be confiscated in the event of our destructive response.
      Russia will win the battle only when it gets rid of the traitors in the country's leadership, when it is cleared of the corrupt pro-Western elite in the same way as Stalin did before the war, which, in fact, allowed to win the war: there were no traitors in the country's leadership.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland, which internal and external enemies will not be able to break.
      1. esaul
        esaul 20 November 2017 08: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: The Truth
        People-State-Fatherland "- this is the slogan of every Russian patriot

        Yesterday I noted these your words. Hello.
        As for the rest - do you think Putin does not see this and does not have an antidote? I am sure - and sees, and stock. And it forms a detachment of those who are ready to work for the Russian economy. Otherwise, many of the "bags" would have long ago removed ALL funds from the Russian economy. What for, are you asking for extra bunts? The enterprises mentioned in this talk here are not an investment of purely state financing.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 20 November 2017 22: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: The Truth
        "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland, which internal and external enemies will not be able to break.

        When I read such words, the question always arises: how to ensure the stability of such a system? how to understand her? it is very similar to the word "Freedom" which everyone understands in their own way.
    5. Krabik
      Krabik 20 November 2017 12: 53 New
      +3
      1) 100 billion bonds are not so many and you still need to find the one who will buy them from us.

      2) Putin has already promised that there will be no claims to the Ukrainian Crimea.
      Now they are offering Putin again to break his word and not divide Ukraine.
      And nothing of the recognition of LDNR does not change there and the states don't give a damn about it.

      3) Cuba does not agree to the base of the Russian Federation because she has already gained experience of friendship with the USSR and its betrayal.
      In addition, we do not have an ocean fleet and even to Syria we buy Turkish longboats for the transport of goods.

      4) Spitting on UN sanctions, which were supported by most countries of the world, will hit our reputation and nothing more.

      So, it’s not so easy to find real answers to sanctions for the USA in our rotten reality ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 20 November 2017 17: 22 New
        +1
        Hello, Alexander! The Russian army will get rid of overweight military personnel. This decision was made by the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu based on the results of a medical examination of the military in 2017. Until December 15, servicemen with third and fourth degrees of obesity will be offered to quit or transfer to other posts. The presence of such an order was confirmed to URA.RU correspondent by a military columnist for Komsomolskaya Pravda, retired colonel and former head of the press service of the Ministry of Defense Viktor Baranets - “There really is such an order of the Ministry of Defense, according to it, military personnel with the third and fourth degrees of obesity will be fired.
        Reaction with external aggression - "mobilization and consolidation." hi
    6. andrewkor
      andrewkor 20 November 2017 13: 34 New
      0
      Well done 210okv, started a good discussion!
    7. prideandjoy
      prideandjoy 20 November 2017 15: 47 New
      0
      Absolutely agree! It is possible to develop as many complexes of the most perfect measures as you like, only there is zero benefit from them, because who dares to put them into practice? Is our government? What joy is this?
    8. Kent0001
      Kent0001 20 November 2017 23: 54 New
      0
      ...... I'm sorry, but he himself also depends on the striped uncle or not? Enlighten please.
    9. Piramidon
      Piramidon 24 November 2017 18: 27 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, all these points are true .. Only in the Kremlin they won’t do it .... The gut is thin. Yes, the financial-oligarchic elite is completely and completely dependent on the striped uncle.

      Cho, again us "to shreds"? Once again?belay
  2. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 20 November 2017 06: 12 New
    +6
    1. We are already exempt from unnecessary banks
    2. Recognizing DLNR, we are exempted from laying and will be forced to shoot directly
    3.Bases needed
    4. There would be more sanctions, a better result would be. You must be self-sufficient and save gas
    1. Ren
      Ren 20 November 2017 07: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      4. There would be more sanctions, a better result would be. You must be self-sufficient and save gas

      There is no need to save gas. In Russia, according to the 2010 census, 54,6 million private households were recorded, if 100% gasification was made, then domestic consumption by private households would be at least 5,46 billion cubic meters. m per month (100 cubic meters / dx is the most calculated minimum, usually 10 times more).
      Gazprom in 2016 produced 419,07 billion cubic meters. m gas, i.e. only private households in the Russian Federation can consume from 20% to 100%. We will not need export from the word at all. request
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 07: 19 New
        +9
        Quote: Ren
        Gazprom in 2016 produced 419,07 billion cubic meters. m gas, i.e. only private households in the Russian Federation can consume from 20% to 100%. We will not need export from the word at all

        Export is needed to:
        1. To replenish the budget (from which the army and not only are contained, roads are built and not only, and so on).
        2. Keep the price of the same gas that you are used to (the domestic Russian price of gas is much lower than the export price).
        9. Export of energy carriers is a very strong lever (bits, practice) for political clashes with “partners”.
        Like this ...
        Quote: Ren
        We will not need export from the word at all

        Yes, only you will pay for gas at world prices. Will you pull? wink
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 November 2017 07: 36 New
          +5
          under Stalin, they didn’t export and grew
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 20 November 2017 10: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            under Stalin, they didn’t export and grew


            The structure and mechanisms of the state and its economy were completely different ... hi
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 20 November 2017 11: 26 New
              +3
              The whole point, as you rightly pointed out, in economics
              When the economies of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation showed results, they tried to stop it in every possible way until the world wars. revolutions and perestroika ..
              Yes, the rulers of the world themselves did not hide this
              Margaret Thatcher: "" The Soviet Union is a country that poses a serious threat to the Western world. I am not talking about a military threat. She was not in essence. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons.

              I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage growth in gross national product was about two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with the rational management of the economy the Soviet Union had very real opportunities to oust us from world markets.

              Therefore, we have always taken actions aimed at weakening the economy of the Soviet Union and creating internal difficulties for it. "
              (About the report of M. Thatcher ("The Soviet Union needed to be destroyed")
              http://www.contrtv.ru/common/2025/
              See the graphs:
              1. The ratio of the GDP of Russia (Union.RF) to US GDP
              2.Gold reserve of Russia for 150 years
              What was clear!
              What will happen ?
              "The Russian economy in 2017-2035 will grow by an average of 3,7 percent per year, in 2021-2025, GDP will increase by five percent annually." Academy of Sciences (RAS).

              By 2035, the structure of the gross product will change, scientists say. “If now it is formed mainly due to production and non-production services, then in the future their share will decrease. At the same time, the volume of high-tech industries will significantly increase in the structure of GDP, ”they are sure."
              (https://lenta.ru/news/2017/10/23/ran/ 0
              Hence . pressure on Russia will only increase ..
              Yes, they did not hide it. so deceased (burn him there) Brzezinski. Kommersant collected his most striking quotes.

              “A new world order will be built against Russia, on the ruins of Russia and at the expense of Russia. We have destroyed the Soviet Union, we will also destroy Russia. You have no chance ”(in his book“ The Great Chessboard ”, published in 1997"
              Russia declared the West WAR. It goes .. in all areas .. all ..
              1. Anyone
                Anyone 20 November 2017 15: 40 New
                +1
                About the report of M. Thatcher ("The Soviet Union needed to be destroyed")

                This is a stupid runet fake about M. Thatcher)) Would you even check what you quote. Find and provide a link to the original (not a translation into Russian, but the English original). So that you do not lose time, I will say right away: you won’t find it. Although, you can check it yourself - here are all Thatcher's speeches and reports: http://www.margaretthatcher.org/
                Z.Y. But the fact that this is a fake does not mean, of course, that M. Thatcher did not try to destroy the USSR. Of course I tried.
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 21 November 2017 00: 05 New
            0
            Due to the unpaid labor of the army of prisoners, this is a recognized fact.
        2. Ren
          Ren 20 November 2017 07: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          2. Keep the price of the same gas that you are used to (the domestic Russian price of gas is much lower than the export price).

          Well, do not say - in Yakutia, for example, 8 832,00 rubles / 1000m3 (although gas is also extracted there), i.e. at the current rate of about 150 bucks / 1000m3;
          Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug (where gas pipelines to Europe begin, i.e. practically at the production site) 4869,64 rubles / 1000m3, i.e. about 83 bucks / 1000m3.
          At the same time, Gazprom sells in Europe under long-term contracts tied to the price of petroleum products, for about 150 bucks / 1000m3 - and this, taking into account transportation, export duties, etc., etc., i.e. in Yakutia, the Far East, most of Siberia (Center, South, East) gas is sold to the population at a comparable price to export prices. hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 20 November 2017 07: 58 New
            10
            Quote: Ren
            in Yakutia, the Far East, most of Siberia (Center, South, East) gas is sold to the population at comparable prices to export

            Standard error: you confuse the wholesale price of gas "in the pipe" with its price for the end user (in your apartment, for example).
            "In the apartment" the price grows by the cost of servicing the gas distribution network and just delivery to the apartment.
            This is at least there is no time to collect everything in a heap.
            If interested - I will find you the cost of gas for the population in the same Poland-Germany. You will be surprised, probably, but it is much larger than those "150 for 1000 cubes" that you mentioned.
        3. Krabik
          Krabik 20 November 2017 13: 00 New
          +2
          I would like to clarify some economic aspects.

          The sale of resources abroad is needed to replenish the currency in the country and to purchase imported goods.

          For the maintenance of the army, the sale of resources is not necessary, unless of course you make weapons yourself.

          The price of gas in the Russian Federation can be regulated by the state quite freely and does not depend on external factors.
          But in our case, the price of gas is a constraining factor for the growth of our industry, which is not beneficial to GAZPROM because then import will decrease and less currency will be needed.
        4. Alf
          Alf 20 November 2017 21: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          9. Export of energy carriers is a very strong lever (bits, practice) for political clashes with “partners”.

          And where was this bit applied?
      2. turbris
        turbris 20 November 2017 11: 36 New
        +1
        Not all households can be gasified, the territory is too large, in some places it is much more profitable to heat wood and coal, so your calculations are not entirely correct.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 20 November 2017 22: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Ren
        only private households in the Russian Federation can consume from 20% to 100%

        But why do private households of the Russian Federation gas? Forests around !!!!!!!! (sarcasm) .Not interesting. how much does this gas cost?
        GAZPROM: On average, the level of gasification at the beginning of 2017 in the country amounted to 67,2%, in cities and urban-type settlements - 70,9%, and in the countryside - 57,1%. Source: http://proekt-gaz.ru/news/v_rossii_uroven_gazifik
        acii_na_nachalo_2017_goda_sostavil_67_2/2017-07-0
        5-5936
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 20 November 2017 10: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: aybolyt678
      3.Bases needed


      They’re talking about these bases all the time ... Again, never remembering whether OUR bases are needed by Cuba and Venezuela, and without bothering about where to get the money to deploy and maintain these bases ...
      Somehow you need to be more realistic, or something ... hi
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 20 November 2017 13: 03 New
        +2
        And they do not take into account the possibility of blockade of Cuba and the fact that we no longer have a fleet to protect the coast of Cuba.
    3. Anyone
      Anyone 20 November 2017 15: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: aybolyt678

      3.Bases needed

      Why do we need bases in South America? As someone rightly pointed out here, there’s nothing special for us to sail there - in Arkhangelsk and Murmansk there is one (!) Working passenger ship of the early 70s, the Claudia Elanskaya. And by virtue of respectable age, it does not swim across the Atlantic, but carry out cargo-passenger coastal flights. The remaining 12 ocean vessels of Arkhangelsk / Murmansk are dry cargo vessels that sail to / from St. Petersburg. So, passengers in hypothetical bases in South America will have to be transported in the holds of bulk carriers)) In addition, it is foolish to create new bases in thousands of kilometers. from home, and at the same time destroy existing bases in your country. Where is the Sorceress? Where is Gremikha (ZATO "Island")? Everything is abandoned (including people), looted and destroyed. And most importantly, it continues to be destroyed ... But Ostrovnoy is not some kind of Cuban base Lourdes, but the so-called. "hornet's nest" - the seat of the nuclear submarine on the Kola Peninsula, from which the US Navy had an incessant butchert. And now in Ostrovnoy you can make films about post-apocalypse without the construction of scenery.
      4. There would be more sanctions, a better result would be. You must be self-sufficient and save gas

      You will tell this to people in our Severs who are cut off from the mainland for 6 months a year and are 100% dependent on fuel prices, spare parts for equipment, snowmobiles, helicopters, summer deliveries, etc. They will tell you how wonderful they are. live under sanctions))
  3. vlad007
    vlad007 20 November 2017 06: 55 New
    +8
    1. Money is invested in American debt because this money is not in demand in Russia. Our state (namely the state!) Does not want to invest in the economy, because this will lead to the growth of the public sector in the economy, and this is a return to socialism. And private investors do not really want to invest in our economy for obvious reasons. It is necessary to create conditions for attracting investment, as China does.
    2. The recognition of LDNR independence is a violation of the Minsk agreements, i.e. the rejection of all previous statements is a loss of “face” and recognition of Russia's aggressiveness.
    3. Military bases in Cuba and Venezuela cost a lot of money. These bases must be built, they must be equipped, rent paid to the countries in which they are located, etc. And for what? For what?
    To minimize the damage from sanctions, you must:
    1. Develop your technology for oil and gas production and processing.
    2. We ourselves produce equipment for oil and gas production. If the atomic bomb was "extracted" from the United States, then DO NOT get the technology and drawings of the equipment is simply embarrassing. The Chinese are stealing everything and they are not embarrassed at all.
    1. esaul
      esaul 20 November 2017 07: 10 New
      +1
      [/B]
      Quote: vlad007
      1. Develop your technology for oil and gas production and processing

      When you write this, you at least bother to search on the Internet for at least a hefty help on this topic. Well, since you’re scrap, then I’ll help you
      https://newphoenix.ru/clubs/61_v-rossii-do-sih-po
      r-suschestvuet-zhivuch.html
      [B]

      The first is before 2017. The second link is only 1017.
      http://russiaindustrialpark.ru/news/novye-zavody-
      i-proizvodstva-v-rossii-2017


      http://russiaindustrialpark.ru/news/novye-zavody-
      i-proizvodstva-v-rossii-2017 This is only part. I will not overload the site field
      1. esaul
        esaul 20 November 2017 07: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: vlad007
        2. The recognition of LDNR independence is a violation of the Minsk agreements, i.e. rejection of all previous statements - loss of “face” and recognition of Russia's aggressiveness

        Again - tell me which of the statements (official) said that the Russian Federation will never recognize LDNR Well, or the independence of these republics?
        1. vlad007
          vlad007 20 November 2017 07: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: esaul
          Again - tell me which of the statements (official) said that the Russian Federation will never recognize LDNR Well, or the independence of these republics?

          This is stated in the Minsk agreements - the preservation of the integrity of Ukraine on the basis of autonomous entry of LDNR.
          1. esaul
            esaul 20 November 2017 08: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: vlad007
            This is stated in the Minsk agreements - the preservation of the integrity of Ukraine on the basis of autonomous entry of LDNR.

            I read it. But is it said there that the Russian Federation under no circumstances recognizes LDNR? I asked you about this.
            Words
            Quote: vlad007
            maintaining the integrity of Ukraine on the basis of autonomous entry of LDNR.

            can be valid only if all (!) points of the Minsk Agreements are fulfilled. What, as we see, is not mentioned, thanks to the efforts of the Ukrainian junta. Consequently, subject to developments with an opposite directional vector, the option of recognition by Russia of LDNR is not unrealizable. There are already hints of this if you carefully monitor everything related to Donbass.
            Sincerely.
      2. vlad007
        vlad007 20 November 2017 07: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        When you write this, you at least bother to search on the Internet for at least a hefty help on this topic.

        You are very self-confident - I regularly look at the site “Made with us” (http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/) and the video “Time is ahead” (//www.youtube.com/user/ShkolaFaberlic), there are all the news about new manufactures and products. I advise you to look before making comments. In the energy sector, Russia is lagging behind the West - for example, we are making large-diameter pipes, but there are NO fittings for them, etc. We do not have any type of equipment in which the share of our products would be 100%. In principle, this is normal, the whole world works this way, no one does everything on 100%, but in conditions of sanctions this can be important.
        The laying of gas pipes in the sea (on the bottom) is carried out only by import vessels, Gazprom bought one such vessel, is this enough? You know about Siemens turbines without me, gas carriers for Yamal-LNG (15 units) were ordered in South Korea - we ourselves will do 10 years and so on.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 November 2017 07: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: vlad007
          no one does everything 100%, but under sanctions this can be important.

          Nowadays, everyone understood that it was necessary to do one and many things, then it would be cheaper, and with this you can trade on the World Market. But we, not for the sale of drilling equipment, we have a lot to drill and mine, and not even with us, but in Syria ...
          1. vlad007
            vlad007 20 November 2017 07: 48 New
            +5
            Quote: aybolyt678
            But we, not for the sale of drilling equipment, we have a lot to drill and mine, and not even with us, but in Syria ...

            Before drilling in Syria, it is necessary to create infrastructure - the whole country is destroyed - power plants, roads, etc. China will come there and begin to earn money on our military successes.
            1. esaul
              esaul 20 November 2017 08: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: vlad007
              China will come there and on our military successes will begin to earn money.

              As far back as 14-15, Assad declared that the Russian Federation and China were the first pretenders to preferences in the field of oil production and construction after the war. I even wrote an article about this.
              I think that Russia and China will simultaneously bite the Syrian pie. Although the Russian Federation has more moral right to it. But China has higher material and human potential. Alas, on clothes you need to stretch your legs.
        2. esaul
          esaul 20 November 2017 08: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: vlad007
          You are very self-confident

          Possible.
          Quote: vlad007
          In principle, this is normal, the whole world works this way, no one does everything on 100%

          Sami answered their questions
          Quote: vlad007
          gas carriers for Yamal-LNG (15 units) ordered in South Korea

          Is this not an option for cooperation in an environment of sanctions? And Korea is far from the only country cooperating with us under the conditions of Western sanctions. Problems are resolved as they arise.
    2. Alf
      Alf 20 November 2017 21: 41 New
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      To minimize the damage from sanctions, you must:
      1. Develop your technology for oil and gas production and processing.
      2. We ourselves produce equipment for oil and gas production. If the atomic bomb was "extracted" from the United States, then DO NOT get the technology and drawings of the equipment is simply embarrassing. The Chinese are stealing everything and they are not embarrassed at all.

      To do this, we must first change the inhabitants of the Kremlin.
      Quote: vlad007
      1. Money is invested in American debt because this money is not in demand in Russia.

      And why not buy the same Celestial papers with this money instead of US papers?
  4. cedar
    cedar 20 November 2017 06: 58 New
    +7
    If the nation has the brains to choose during this wartime the Supreme Commander-in-Chief not Vladimir Putin, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, then all sanctions will be covered with a copper basin. To do this, they are impudently introduced by the Saxons in order to bring down Putin and his team with our help. If we help our enemies, then the bloody bathhouse is provided for us. They really need living spaces, but not us at all.
    And if we unanimously support the Commander-in-Chief, this will be Rossi’s harsh, painful and asymmetric response to our enemies and “partners”.
    1. esaul
      esaul 20 November 2017 07: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      If the nation has the brains to choose during this wartime the Supreme Commander-in-Chief not Vladimir Putin, but Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

      You are this very nation, a colleague! You have enough mind, colleague, which means most of the others have enough wink
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 20 November 2017 07: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: cedar
      And if we unanimously support the Commander-in-Chief, this will be Rossi’s harsh, painful and asymmetric response to our enemies and “partners”.

      and you didn’t get the idea that our President supports the oligarchy with the Russian Army, so that he, this very oligarchy would be rich not only in the Russian bowels, but also in the bowels of the East ... On the one hand, it’s great, but on the other hand, little attention is paid to production.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 20 November 2017 10: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        but you didn’t get the idea that our President supports the oligarchy,


        Too often Putin is accused of conceivable and unimaginable sins, merging with the oligarchy, etc. ...
        I don’t want to argue with anyone, especially since each of us has the right to our opinion ...
        However, it is tempting to ask the question: “If Putin is a liberal protecting oligarchs (and therefore a pro-Western), then why is the West so eagerly seeking his departure from the political arena of Russia? And - is it Russia ?? And is it not international ??? "... hi
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 20 November 2017 16: 59 New
          +1
          I will answer with an example of Ukrainian.

          For the same reason, why they change their presidents in Ukraine, moreover, they will weld them up by force before the very election.
        2. Anyone
          Anyone 20 November 2017 17: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: weksha50
          If Putin is a liberal protecting oligarchs (and therefore a pro-Western), then why is the West so eagerly seeking his departure from the political arena of Russia

          Introductory is incorrect. Rather, all the inputs are incorrect:
          1. "If Putin protects the oligarchs, then the liberal." Never. He is just the boss of the oligarchs.
          2. “Being a liberal means being a“ pro-Western. ”See the erroneous opening number once.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 November 2017 20: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          "If Putin is a liberal protecting oligarchs (and therefore a pro-Western), then why is the West so eagerly seeking his departure from the political arena of Russia?

          My opinion is solely: I think that when it was difficult for Putin, he found support in some oligarchs. He became convinced of the effectiveness of managing assets in private hands. He gave a word to someone, now holds it. At the opening of the weeping wall in Moscow, he said that nothing could justify the repression.
          Now I have a question - why is he holding Kudrin, Gref, Chubais ??? who steers in domestic politics ??
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 20 November 2017 22: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Now I have a question - why is he holding Kudrin, Gref, Chubais ??? who steers in domestic politics ??


            This is not comprehensible to the normal mind ... request
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 November 2017 13: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: cedar
      And if we unanimously support the Commander-in-Chief, this will be Rossi’s harsh, painful and asymmetric response to our enemies and “partners”.

      24 years is too much!
    4. dSK
      dSK 20 November 2017 17: 34 New
      +1
      Hello Eugene!
      Quote: cedar
      They really need living spaces, but not us at all.

      Holy Prince Alexander Nevsky: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword!"
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 20 November 2017 07: 12 New
    +6
    1) Will we sell bonds again for bucks?
    And gold 999th to buy again for bucks?
    And $ 56,5 of lards that will remain, to give banks for lending to the business, as before, under Western loans up to 5%? So that banks lend to us again under the Russian from 15% (+ 2% return to the manager for an authorized loan)?
    This will not solve the problems.
    2) Recognize LDNR - right. Spend money there on bases and start an open war with Ukraine (they will do this only in the Donbass, naturally with joy, for the sake of financing by the West, which can be picked up)?
    Who will finance the RF at the same time is not clear.
    3) Bases in Cuba - definitely yes. The base in Venezuela - only if the oil agreed to sell tilka through Sechin.
    4) Support the DPRK ... also economically ... oh well tries
    A bottomless barrel.
    The best response to sanctions would be a green light for small and medium-sized businesses with security in the first place, soft loans in the second place. Those. creation of additional jobs and tax refunds. The rest is garbage.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 20 November 2017 09: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnodar
      4) Support the DPRK ... also economically ... oh well tries
      A bottomless barrel.

      DPRK - world leader in printing fake dollars
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2017 09: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: Krasnodar
        4) Support the DPRK ... also economically ... oh well tries
        A bottomless barrel.

        DPRK - world leader in printing fake dollars

        Here is a high and print.
  6. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 20 November 2017 07: 25 New
    +4
    Dear Pavel! First, we will dot the “and”: if we ban titanium and RD it will strike not the producers but the oligarchs, which is unacceptable to the authorities, so it won’t do it. otherwise the United States will also ban the export of metal, fertilizers, etc. Now, according to your proposals, I agree with almost everyone, only with the DPRK will we again look like political renegades, here we need to think 3 times. I’ll add on my own behalf: to spread rotten NGOs as much as possible, to simplify cooperation on Syria as much as possible, to begin to take real steps to abandon the dollar. That's just how much this current government will pull, I do not know. rather, they will feed us again by inflating our cheeks and lips. Compradors, what do you take from them.
  7. Odysseus
    Odysseus 20 November 2017 07: 27 New
    13
    The correct answer to the question posed in the article- "what will be the answer to the sanctions" - no.
    There will be sluggish bleating about the unconstructiveness of sanctions and convulsive attempts to save personal capital and real estate in the West. Well, plus to find some kind of agreement without surrendering the Crimea.
    The reasons are fundamental.
    Objectively, Russia is included in the capitalist system on the rights of the periphery. It cannot become the core of the capital system in principle. It cannot exit the capital system under the existing authorities of the Russian Federation.
    Subjectively, “For where your treasure is, your heart will be there.” Treasures, both material and ideal (the way of a right life) for the “elite” of the Russian Federation, lie in the West. So in order to “respond to sanctions” you must either change the whole lifestyle and actions of the "elite", or change the "elite" itself. Both of these are extremely unlikely.
    1. esaul
      esaul 20 November 2017 07: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Odyssey
      Objectively, Russia is included in the capitalist system as peripherals

      There is a double answer to this.
      First - Russia is integrated into the world economy as much as the world into the Russian one. Otherwise, there would be no effect of retaliatory sanctions. But he is. At least take today's information on Siemens, which is forced to begin cutting six thousand workers due to the lack of demand for its products in the supply of gas turbines. What do you think, after which all this happened? That's right - after the shutdown of two turbines delivered to the Crimea and after Russia cut its cooperation with Siemens.
      Second - who told you that on the rights of the periphery? Americans? So they will talk about it, being, in fact, “producers” of all kinds of stock securities and “effective” managers, but not a mate of values. Significance in the global economy is revealed by industry, not speculation. Just the stripes managed to get fat over the past decades amid the collapse of the economies of many countries and convinced most countries of their economic power. Here is China - yes - an economic monster, but where did you see the Yankees acknowledge this publicly?
      1. vlad007
        vlad007 20 November 2017 08: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        and after Russia cut back on cooperation with Siemens.

        Collaboration with Siemens was cut, because there are competitors to Siemens, but these are General Eletric (USA) and China. Will they work with us after the sanctions?
        Sooner or later, Russia will have to invest its money in the production of everything necessary and this is the most positive effect of the sanctions.
        Iran has been under sanctions for almost 20 years and nothing has happened to it. It will be the same with us - we will begin to build OWN factories and produce products, which was in the USSR.
        1. esaul
          esaul 20 November 2017 08: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: vlad007
          China. Will they work with us after the sanctions?

          What are they doing? The second thread of the "Power of Siberia" recently completed. The Americans are quietly trying to replace Siemens, which offends not only the Germans laughing After all, coal and gas from the Russian Federation and LDNR are being boiled up by Evra and ukrohunte. There is information about this on the Internet. At times, you yourself answer your questions, but do not notice the connection. No offense.
        2. Anyone
          Anyone 20 November 2017 17: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: vlad007

          Iran has been under sanctions for almost 20 years and nothing has happened to it. It will be the same with us - we will begin to build OWN factories and produce products, which was in the USSR.

          Here it is not necessary about Iran! I was there at a time when he was under severe sanctions. If sanctions against Iran were introduced today, such as against Iran, then the apocalypse would begin here tomorrow. What do you think, how many Russian airlines have domestic passenger aircraft today (the semi-domestic SSJ does not count)? The correct answer is something near zero. But I really saw the picture in Iran, when Tehran airport was forced to "dead" by Boeing, because due to sanctions they were not serviced, not repaired, certificates were not renewed, nor were “forms" manufactured at the plant, or parts delivered. Do you really imagine what will happen in Russia if such sanctions are introduced against us? Will you go to Khabarovsk or Petropavlovsk on foot? How long can Russia make a new fleet for itself? And will it be able at all? Or, like, buy a Chinese version of our Soviet An-24 from China and fly on it? )))
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2017 09: 49 New
        0
        Quote: esaul
        Quote: Odyssey
        Objectively, Russia is included in the capitalist system as peripherals

        There is a double answer to this.
        First - Russia is integrated into the world economy as much as the world into the Russian one. Otherwise, there would be no effect of retaliatory sanctions. But he is. At least take today's information on Siemens, which is forced to begin cutting six thousand workers due to the lack of demand for its products in the supply of gas turbines. What do you think, after which all this happened? That's right - after the shutdown of two turbines delivered to the Crimea and after Russia cut its cooperation with Siemens.
        Second - who told you that on the rights of the periphery? Americans? So they will talk about it, being, in fact, “producers” of all kinds of stock securities and “effective” managers, but not a mate of values. Significance in the global economy is revealed by industry, not speculation. Just the stripes managed to get fat over the past decades amid the collapse of the economies of many countries and convinced most countries of their economic power. Here is China - yes - an economic monster, but where did you see the Yankees acknowledge this publicly?

        And Microsoft, and Oracle, and Apple, and Intel?
        Ford, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Lincoln, Buick?
        McDonald's, CFS, others?
        Much is produced outside the United States, but profit then flows to the USA :)
        If I have a fight for the title, I first of all study all the strengths of the enemy. Then I look for the weak. Not forgetting the strong.
        I’ll do the opposite - I’ll grab it in the first rounds, if not in the first minute)))))
        1. esaul
          esaul 20 November 2017 10: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And Microsoft, and Oracle, and Apple, and Intel? Ford, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Lincoln, Buick? McDonald's, CFS, others? Much is produced outside the United States, but profit then flows to the USA :)

          I understand that asking questions with a smile is easier than giving answers to them. Shook the water - and watch how the circles went on the water)
          Here is one answer to your question. Not I answer, but a person more knowledgeable in this matter
          _________ The system around the world works on a franchise basis. For example, Russian !!!! An entrepreneur buys the right to sell using this system at McDonald's (central office) - use the menu, brand, logo, etc.
          For this he pays royalties, the franchise itself (one-time or calendar). The central office can help with advertising, or vice versa, an entrepreneur of Russia takes over advertising companies based on McDonald’s attributes. Etc. _____


          I admit that the answer to your other questions will be approximately the same
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2017 13: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: esaul
            Quote: Krasnodar
            And Microsoft, and Oracle, and Apple, and Intel? Ford, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Lincoln, Buick? McDonald's, CFS, others? Much is produced outside the United States, but profit then flows to the USA :)

            I understand that asking questions with a smile is easier than giving answers to them. Shook the water - and watch how the circles went on the water)
            Here is one answer to your question. Not I answer, but a person more knowledgeable in this matter
            _________ The system around the world works on a franchise basis. For example, Russian !!!! An entrepreneur buys the right to sell using this system at McDonald's (central office) - use the menu, brand, logo, etc.
            For this he pays royalties, the franchise itself (one-time or calendar). The central office can help with advertising, or vice versa, an entrepreneur of Russia takes over advertising companies based on McDonald’s attributes. Etc. _____


            I admit that the answer to your other questions will be approximately the same

            :)
            What is a franchise, I know perfectly well, moreover, I know what and how much is needed for a franchise specifically for MkDonalds, but where is the answer to the question?
            States is a very large producer and largest consumer.
            It is neglected to treat them correctly, because You entered the ring with them.
            1. esaul
              esaul 20 November 2017 15: 19 New
              +2
              Good evening, Krasnodar fellow
              In general, I see that I entered the ring with you, and not with McDonalds and the company laughing
              To address the issue of profit sharing
              Quote: Krasnodar
              but where is the answer to the question?

              I place the text completely
              ________The system around the world works on a franchise basis. For example, Russian !!!! An entrepreneur buys the right to sell using this system at McDonald's (central office) - use the menu, brand, logo, etc.
              For this he pays royalties, the franchise itself (one-time or calendar). The central office can help with advertising, or vice versa, an entrepreneur of Russia takes over advertising companies based on McDonald’s attributes. Etc.

              That is, it is a common business of local entrepreneurs and McDonald's himself. And the proceeds from sales in Russia offset the GDP of the Russian Federation and taxes are paid from it in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation ._______
              [b] [/ b] I hope it is clear.
              Quote: Krasnodar
              States is a very large producer and largest consumer.

              I am sure that you are mistaken. The states are the owners of the thuja heap of brands. It’s the same as in the 90, Moscow tied ABSOLUTELY all cash flows and, concluding an agreement in Vladivostok, I saw the Moscow address on the “other” side.
              So, the striped states of America, this is not only "valuable fur", but also a bank of valuable waste paper in the form of bonds and other nishtyaks.
              Krasnodar, what's the name? I do not want to contact by the name of the city. especially since my roots are from my father from the Krasnodar Territory fellow
              About the ring, I’m afraid to lose to the boxer because, unfortunately, I spent most of my life playing kyuo-kushin, and then kudo-kan. Now - fastened - sores trampled down on a jamb and age. I beg you a colleague drinks
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 November 2017 19: 20 New
                0
                Quote: esaul
                Good evening, Krasnodar fellow
                In general, I see that I entered the ring with you, and not with McDonalds and the company laughing
                To address the issue of profit sharing
                Quote: Krasnodar
                but where is the answer to the question?

                I place the text completely
                ________The system around the world works on a franchise basis. For example, Russian !!!! An entrepreneur buys the right to sell using this system at McDonald's (central office) - use the menu, brand, logo, etc.
                For this he pays royalties, the franchise itself (one-time or calendar). The central office can help with advertising, or vice versa, an entrepreneur of Russia takes over advertising companies based on McDonald’s attributes. Etc.

                That is, it is a common business of local entrepreneurs and McDonald's himself. And the proceeds from sales in Russia offset the GDP of the Russian Federation and taxes are paid from it in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation ._______
                [b] [/ b] I hope it is clear.
                Quote: Krasnodar
                States is a very large producer and largest consumer.

                I am sure that you are mistaken. The states are the owners of the thuja heap of brands. It’s the same as in the 90, Moscow tied ABSOLUTELY all cash flows and, concluding an agreement in Vladivostok, I saw the Moscow address on the “other” side.
                So, the striped states of America, this is not only "valuable fur", but also a bank of valuable waste paper in the form of bonds and other nishtyaks.
                Krasnodar, what's the name? I do not want to contact by the name of the city. especially since my roots are from my father from the Krasnodar Territory fellow
                About the ring, I’m afraid to lose to the boxer because, unfortunately, I spent most of my life playing kyuo-kushin, and then kudo-kan. Now - fastened - sores trampled down on a jamb and age. I beg you a colleague drinks

                My name is Albert, very nice! In the ring with an adherent of the Oyama school, the big question is, who will snatch someone by kickboxing rules, I turned 41 and my legs are already wooden, not those :)
                I do not agree with you about the States, but it was very nice to chat!
                Just running a treadmill to get Lyuli from the guys sportier and younger :)
                See you in the comments!
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 20 November 2017 07: 52 New
    +5
    Well. probably, in the beginning it is necessary that the Russian financial institutions renounce not only treasuries, but also that all Russian nouveau riche abandon all their immigrants and investments abroad, because the Americans have long arms and they will get every penny without their permission somewhere hidden ... Well, who will do this? Rather, those who prevent Russia from joining the global "system" will be removed from the Kremlin. Something tells me that "great" events await Russia next year ...
  9. trophy
    trophy 20 November 2017 09: 06 New
    +7
    To want is to be able. Who in Russia agrees and is ready to go on to further escalate the conflict with the United States? Well, I, you, dear forum users, well, especially to those who are insulted by the power. In short, those who have nothing to lose but their chains. But unfortunately, decisions are not made by us, and most likely not even adored by all GDP. And for those who make decisions, oh, what is there to lose. So do not experience unnecessary illusions. They will agree, and they will present us as another breakthrough, or at worst they will do everything quietly, as they decided last Friday for free education and health care. And well done, of course, pin-up-sy, well, not horseradish not stupid. Competently all of us together with our godfathers are driven into a corner (with Novorossia, Crimea, sanctions). But if the stick is overstepped, then we, like that rat, cornered and can rush, then it will not seem to anyone. As of right now, they leave us the choice between “paws to the top” or “this is our last and decisive battle”.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 20 November 2017 09: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Trofim
      As of right now, they leave us the choice between “paws to the top” or “this is our last and decisive battle”.

      All sanctions are NOT AUTOMATIC, i.e. the possibility of their application depends on the WILL (DESIRE) of the president and the Senate with Congress. They made this amendment before approval - they replaced one verb with another ("must" (English) with "shall" (English), if I remember correctly, I write from memory), the verb of obligation ("sanctions must be applied") was replaced by the verb application possibilities ("MAY BE APPLIED"). This was done on purpose, in order to leave for ourselves the opportunity to bargain and think about where to apply sanctions and where not, for example, for their large firms they may not apply, but for Europe they may apply. Sanctions are an instrument of economic warfare, not only with Russia, but also with Europe.
  10. Beholder
    Beholder 20 November 2017 09: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Kleber
    Yes, the financial and oligarchic elite is entirely dependent on the striped uncle


    Not only. Our entire economy is repelled by the dollar ... ordinary citizens will also suffer.


    Are we all right now? ;-)
    The ruble has become cheaper, oil is cheaper - gas has become more expensive, food prices have been creeping up all summer.
    Now the ruble is getting more expensive, oil has grown (Hooray! We are not selling at a loss) - gasoline has again risen in price, food has crept up.
    So when did ordinary citizens not suffer? ;-)
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 November 2017 09: 31 New
    +5
    After having noted the minuses, I sometimes have to do writing, although earlier it was rather shorter to express my attitude to the article. the dear author of the oligarchs of Russia and Russia are not the same thing.
    Let’s say Gref imposed sanctions against Crimea, and the United States imposes sanctions against Gref, what sadness is for residents of Crimea from American sanctions against Gref?
    Or Rottenberg imposed sanctions against drivers, while not against everyone, America imposes sanctions against Rottenberg, why drivers should worry about Rottenberg.
    Just do not twist, like I said that America for Russia against the oligarchs. Nothing like this. Everyone is at war with everyone, but the people of Russia get both from the oligarchs and from the Americans. .
  12. groks
    groks 20 November 2017 09: 33 New
    +3
    Delirium cheers-patriotic.
  13. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 November 2017 10: 22 New
    0
    Everything is fine, but again everything rests on the liberal pro-American financial and economic bloc in the government of the Russian Federation, then they will cloak over Russia and our people (after all, nothing will be done for their "tricks")! How long will our Central Bank not be subordinate to the authorities of Russia, how long will there be articles in our Constitution that actually deprive the Russian Federation of sovereignty? Or that BLA-BLA-BLA again and nothing to the good of the Fatherland! Soon, the presidential elections of the Russian Federation, and ideological saboteurs march around Russia where they want to and decompose our society, it is time for the Guarantor of the Constitution to pinch the causal place with all kinds of anti-Russian trash and to show who is the boss in the house! Yes, and their liberals, but in fact the fifth column of the USA and their lackeys it's time to attach to socially useful work in the Far North and the Far East, because there is so much room for creative work for the good of the Motherland (and quilted jackets in warehouses become worthless from long-term storage)!
  14. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 November 2017 10: 38 New
    +3
    While our Central Bank will be a branch of the Fed, there can be no talk of any worthy rebuff
  15. Aspid 86
    Aspid 86 20 November 2017 10: 48 New
    +1
    Close the airspace for overflight to the sides of the USA, Canada, Australia, EU. Issue the above visas only in Sevastopol and in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Leave the Olympic Committee, send in public WADA with its corrupt "experts." Organize their sports games for countries that do not support WADA's policy towards Russia. Prepare and conduct an instant operation to seize the American Embassy in Moscow, conduct searches, arrest all employees, indict them of anti-Russian activity and interference in internal affairs, confirm this with "secret evidence", then exchange the embassy employees for Russian citizens stolen in third countries and convicted in USA. Refuse to settle in dollars, and gradually from the euro, replacing it with RMB. To declare a full commodity-blocking of the Russian border for the Baltic states because of its systematic anti-Russian policy. Deny All NGOs that, over the past 20 years, have had direct and indirect funding from abroad and have carried out anti-state activities that have nothing in common for the development of a truly civil society. Prohibit Russian companies in all areas from using EU and US standards, only their analogues (GOST). To ban, under the threat of an article in the CC “industrial espionage”, the access of foreign auditors (to confirm the ability to produce products according to bourgeois standards) to Russian enterprises. To withdraw from the ABM and START-3 treaty and invite all countries with nuclear weapons to a dialogue to discuss a new treaty to limit weapons of mass destruction. Instead of the ABM treaty, invite the countries of "conditional opponents" to equalize military potentials, delimit zones for deploying foreign military bases on the territory of third countries, equalize military potentials in the field of missile defense, nuclear weapons, conventional weapons, aviation, etc. And the people of Russia will be satisfied.
  16. Azkii339
    Azkii339 20 November 2017 10: 55 New
    0
    They will say that the sanctions did not have any effect and write in sportloto. However, nothing new. (C)
  17. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 20 November 2017 11: 13 New
    +3
    These sanctions are directed against our oligarchs so that they oppose someone instead of Putin for the March elections. But for the people this will not be reflected at all. And no mirror and non-mirror response will be limited to diplomatic cracking and cries of our media.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 20 November 2017 13: 03 New
      0
      It is strange that Putin, not a stupid sort of person, knowing about such a development of events, is not doing anything against the oligarchs! This is strange, don’t you?
  18. turbris
    turbris 20 November 2017 11: 29 New
    0
    Of course, we have fewer opportunities than the United States has in terms of sanctions, but we must constantly do harm in all areas. Otherwise, gentlemen will believe in their impunity. Given our "powerful" trade with the United States - there will be no catastrophic consequences, now our economy is adapting to the regime of permanent sanctions, so it will be more difficult, but not catastrophic - no panic is needed.
  19. cedar
    cedar 20 November 2017 12: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: cedar
    And if we unanimously support the Commander-in-Chief, this will be Rossi’s harsh, painful and asymmetric response to our enemies and “partners”.

    and you didn’t get the idea that our President supports the oligarchy with the Russian Army, so that he, this very oligarchy would be rich not only in the Russian bowels, but also in the bowels of the East ... On the one hand, it’s great, but on the other hand, little attention is paid to production.


    Please read the unique book "Project Russia". There, about the support of the new, Russian oligarchs, there is something worth thinking about and ... not making hasty conclusions. Read.
    The book has no authors, it was distributed initially ... In short, if necessary, you will find out for yourself.
    1. turbris
      turbris 20 November 2017 22: 44 New
      0
      Of course, we must also recall that we live under capitalism and the oligarchs are part of our society that we need to work with in order to move the economy forward.
  20. Awaz
    Awaz 20 November 2017 12: 29 New
    +1
    officials do not suffer from sanctions, as do most oligarchs. We will compensate for all their losses by sharing the remnants of our income. If initially sanctions were really intended against bankers and oligarchs, now pressure is more and more violent on ordinary people, so that the people would ultimately rise up. Patience of the people is based on past experience and what we see in Ukraine. And how everything goes further - figs knows. No debt relief will help, until the authorities begin to think, or at least not interfere with the work of the people
  21. 44Serega44
    44Serega44 20 November 2017 12: 30 New
    +1
    I think it is necessary:
    - Limit the supply of titanium for Airbus & Boing (so that it was hard to fulfill the contract with China)
    - The ban (for those who imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation) the passage of civil aviation over the territory of the Russian Federation.
    - The ban on the purchase of GAS for companies from the United States (that would not resell Russian gas to Europe under the guise of American)
    - Close SevMorPut for everyone except Russia (in order to avoid a possible eco-Disaster, due to the lack of the Trade and Icebreaking fleet in other countries), and through the Berengov Strait, you can go (safely) only through the waters of the Russian Federation.
    - Ban on flights (from the territory of the Russian Federation
    ) The astronauts of the countries that introduced the Sanctions against the Russian Federation.
    And there’s a lot more you can think of))).
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 November 2017 12: 49 New
      +3
      To limit the supply of titanium for Airbus & Boing (so that it was hard to fulfill the contract with China)
      - The ban (for those who imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation) the passage of civil aviation over the territory of the Russian Federation.
      - The ban on the purchase of GAS for companies from the United States (that would not resell Russian gas to Europe under the guise of American)
      - Close SevMorPut for everyone except Russia (in order to avoid a possible eco-Disaster, due to the lack of the Trade and Icebreaking fleet in other countries), and through the Berengov Strait, you can go (safely) only through the waters of the Russian Federation.
      - Ban on flights (from the territory of the Russian Federation
      ) The astronauts of the countries that introduced the Sanctions against the Russian Federation.

      only the Russian government does not surrender its partners.
      1. 44Serega44
        44Serega44 20 November 2017 13: 45 New
        +1
        That is the whole problem of the current Russian-American relations. The country already has cheeks and fists itching.)))
  22. bsk_una
    bsk_una 20 November 2017 12: 57 New
    +2
    In Russia, the Medvedevs, Christians, Shuvalovs and their oligarchs will not go to these measures, the wrong person is small and petty.
  23. Earnest
    Earnest 20 November 2017 13: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    .
    Yes, only you will pay for gas at world prices. Will you pull? wink

    I have a brother in Nizhnevartovsk for heating a house in winter with an electric boiler 15000-18000 per month. He will only be glad. And he is not alone. wink
  24. q75agent
    q75agent 20 November 2017 14: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Is there a better candidate than Putin?

    there is !!! Zyuganov !!!
    1. esaul
      esaul 20 November 2017 16: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: q75agent
      there is !!! Zyuganov !!!


      Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...

      To get rid of blinkers from your eyes - a few references about the affairs of your idol and the gang-watering headed by him

      http://www.qwas.ru/russia/kr/O-POLITIChESKOI-KORR
      UPCII-V-KPRF /

      http://www.electorat.info/blog/3611.html

      http://www.compromat.ru/page_17667.htm

      http://www.compromat.ru/page_12370.htm

      http://molgvardia.ru/curious/2011/05/31/30776

      That's it, young man. For the sake of rating, your Zyuganov is ready to eat pederasts from one bowl, and to your ideals, to put it mildly, he is us ..
      1. esaul
        esaul 20 November 2017 17: 02 New
        +1
        This is still a microscopic part of the acts of the most immaculate. Already tested videos on the Internet that ordinary Communists in the financial affairs of the party do not fuck their nose. As the saying goes - there’s no reason to meddle with the pork snout! Advanced comrades have become!
        1. esaul
          esaul 20 November 2017 17: 12 New
          +3
          Very entertaining thought-provoking information for people like you, agent xNUMX wink
          Let's start with the main thing: what is the Communist Party now?

          Good question ... Recently, there was a very good article on this subject with the argument that the Communist Party is such a religious movement, with its adherents who believe in a certain set of symbols and signs, on the basis of which they feel common with each other. Most participate in it in the same way as in Western countries people go to societies of anonymous alcoholics or victims of rape - for psychotherapeutic purposes. Fortunately or not, this majority is becoming increasingly unstable for objective reasons.

          He is opposed by a minority of real fighters, active people, mostly young (although among them there are many representatives of the older generation). Basically, they are in left positions. For them, communism is not faith, but a scientific doctrine. These people understand and know what they are doing, they have serious philosophical and economic baggage. And they really want to change society, and they have a certain vision of their ideal. As I have already said, such people, unfortunately, are still a minority, and the conflict between them and the "believers", in fact, sets at the moment the internal situation in the party.

          This conflict is actively used by a small layer of party functionaries who make business out of it, sometimes political, sometimes economic. As a rule, however, these are minor political concessions or personal privileges, because if these people knew how to do economic business, they would have long been not in the Communist Party, but in large companies or government agencies. At the beginning of the 90, they, in fact, did not get there not because they did not want to, but because they could not. They actively manipulate the "believing majority", trying to prevent the left from the party control levers.
  25. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 20 November 2017 14: 59 New
    0
    No, but what's the catch with these sanctions? Will we produce less or sell less oil and gas on the foreign market? Maybe even this will make our economy get off the oil needle? And to direct oil and gas production mainly to domestic consumption, limiting the appetites of oil magnates? It sounds like a fairy tale, a no brainer. But with agricultural production it seems to be dancing out, maybe here we will get out.
  26. Semenov
    Semenov 20 November 2017 15: 00 New
    +1
    There is only one answer - detachment from the dollar and this is gradually being done. An exchange for trading oil in rubles in St. Petersburg exists, prospects for trading in national currencies with Iran and China are being discussed, gold is being bought up on the sly, and Asia-Europe traffic flows cheaper through the Arctic and Transib - and this is the end of US marine hegemony! By the way, BV (oil and gas - the blood of civilization) is looking towards Moscow, is eyeing our weapons, the "military umbrella" of the USA has begun to "leak." I remind you that the USSR was destroyed for 50 years "by the whole world" (even more) and already wanted to surrender, but we surrendered first.
  27. urman
    urman 20 November 2017 15: 18 New
    0
    But who, then, will get rid of shtatovskih pieces of paper?
  28. Serik
    Serik 20 November 2017 15: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Lelek
    But you need to do something about it.

    It is necessary !!!
    Only there is nobody there, but we have no time ...

    It is necessary to convene an all-Russian council and send walkers to the president.
    Get up country is huge
    1. Alf
      Alf 20 November 2017 21: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Serik
      go to the president to send.

      And he will show them the further route.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 20 November 2017 22: 12 New
        0
        three letters of the alphabet
  29. Mih1974
    Mih1974 20 November 2017 15: 38 New
    +2
    And I think that it is necessary to close the supply of titanium in the USA !! The former is a strategic metal, and secondly, if there is no domestic demand now, it can simply be bullion-scaled as a “strategic reserve”. Who is yapping "there is no money"? How much can we get out of the United States “borrowed” bucks there, how long will it take to buy ALL of the titanium produced by AVISMA? Moreover, right now the production of Tu-160 is being restored, which takes a lot of titanium, again boats can be made, and indeed - the world has not converged on BOEING in wedge, there is China (and do not say that they have their own titanium heaped), there is arzus lol . But how the Boeing will suddenly find a replacement for our titanium - that’s what I would like to see repeat
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 November 2017 17: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Mih1974
      But how the Boeing will suddenly find a replacement for our titanium - that’s what I would like to see

      They have their own production, it’s just cheaper in Russia.
  30. Wolka
    Wolka 20 November 2017 16: 13 New
    0
    very hot and brave, but a lot begs but ...
  31. q75agent
    q75agent 20 November 2017 17: 05 New
    0
    Quote: esaul
    That's it, young man. For the sake of rating, your Zyuganov is ready to eat pederasts from one bowl, and to your ideals, to put it mildly, he is us ..

    Excuse me, did you look into my passport? not young anymore, 75 gr wink and I expressed only my point of view, this is not an election race, and everyone is free to vote for one candidate or another, I really do not like the current policy of the authorities .... hi
    1. esaul
      esaul 20 November 2017 17: 20 New
      +3
      laughing Young, young! laughing I’ll be almost twenty years older. For God's sake, colleague, express yourself! I just want to protect you from a rake. And the Communist Party-a rake belay
  32. q75agent
    q75agent 20 November 2017 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote: esaul
    Young, young! I’ll be almost twenty years older. For God's sake, colleague, express yourself! I just want to protect you from a rake. And the Communist Party-a rake

    you can also step on the rake in different ways wink
  33. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 20 November 2017 17: 29 New
    +1
    No serious response will follow, there is nothing to answer.
  34. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 20 November 2017 17: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: The Truth
    Do not hesitate, these reserves will immediately be confiscated in the event of our destructive response.

    So far we have to pay more than these amounts. So, in which case, we simply refuse to pay debts for this amount.
  35. mark_rod
    mark_rod 20 November 2017 21: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Yes, only you will pay for gas at world prices. Will you pull?

    And who secretly whispered to you that world prices are higher than domestic prices for ordinary consumers?
  36. Overlock
    Overlock 20 November 2017 22: 09 New
    +1
    what answer? Polar bear will suck paw
  37. Overlock
    Overlock 20 November 2017 22: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Mih1974
    And I think that it is necessary to close the supply of titanium in the USA !!

    but what currency does Russia not need?
  38. Overlock
    Overlock 20 November 2017 22: 14 New
    0
    Quote: q75agent

    1
    q75agent Today, 14:07 PM New
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Is there a better candidate than Putin?

    there is !!! Zyuganov !!!

    see a psychiatrist immediately. After Zyuganov surrendered his winnings to Yeltsin, he was an anathema to him. In the words of VIL- "Political pr .......... a"
    1. turbris
      turbris 20 November 2017 22: 53 New
      +1
      Yes, of course, only a very narrow-minded person can propose replacing old Putin Zyuganov, who has such a rating not only domestically, but also abroad. And who is Zyuganov? Soother.
  39. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 20 November 2017 22: 36 New
    +4
    To the question “What answer will Russia give to American sanctions”, one can confidently say NO Russian leadership will rub off again and, as if nothing had happened, will begin to tell its people a story like “Sanctions are even good for us, but Europe suffers from them ( ?) ". We know passed ... When the children of those in power study over the hill, when property is hidden there, when the government keeps people’s money there, WHAT RESPONSE ACTIONS CAN YOU SPEECH? Snout in their hair down to their ears, what kind of counter-sanction? And further. When, through the efforts of these same leaders, the country is de-industrialized, turned REALLY into a gas station, what can you oppose? Wipe yourself and pretend that it is necessary.
    1. turbris
      turbris 21 November 2017 11: 55 New
      0
      What kind of power are you crucifying like that? I hope you are talking about the Yeltsin period, and it was Putin who pulled out the whole country after it, now Russia is far from a “gas station” (did McCain name Russia for the first time, and you repeat, did you like it?) What do you care where the children of those in power study? Peter 1 also traveled abroad to study and this did not harm Russia in any way, something you are completely behind the times.
      1. Alf
        Alf 21 November 2017 22: 18 New
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        Quote: turbris
        What do you care where the children of those in power study?

        Great. If, as under Peter, they would simply study, this is for God's sake.
        But the fact is that modern Western education is structured in such a way as to instill in foreign students not so much knowledge as a Western way of thinking and neglect of the Mother Country.
        We wonder why such a contemptuous attitude of the golden youth towards Russia? But it’s worth seeing where all this riffraff studied and the puzzles themselves add up to a large and unsightly picture.
        1. turbris
          turbris 22 November 2017 21: 13 New
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          Well, I don’t quite agree with you regarding Western education, do not ascribe to him what is not. The neglect of the mother country is formed to a large extent from a comparison of living standards, opportunities, and only among clearly distant students. Western education is not only smart, but also rich, hence the neglect.
  40. Tektor
    Tektor 21 November 2017 11: 09 New
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    The proposed measures are simply illiterate: the author does not understand what he is writing about.
  41. sergo42
    sergo42 22 November 2017 14: 54 New
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    Yes, all of these points are true .. Only in the Kremlin they won’t do that. All of our elite would long ago have merged everyone and passed everything, but I'm not sure that they will not be merged at the same time ...
  42. intuzazist
    intuzazist 23 November 2017 06: 28 New
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    Iranian precedent does not count?

    Iran’s accounts were frozen, not government paper ................
  43. Old warrior
    Old warrior 24 November 2017 10: 13 New
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    Our Banner over the WORLD! Only such an answer. Everything else is half measures ...