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Elena Larina: People will pay off money taken away from oligarchs

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Elena Larina: People will pay off money taken away from oligarchs



Alexey Chebotaryov, AiF: Elena Sergeyevna, if in a nutshell, what is your book about?

Elena Larina: The fact that the real tragedy of Russia is the country's lack of a national elite. Actually, this is not only a Russian problem. But, fortunately for many countries, there are progress-oriented groups in their elites who have been able to launch a new production revolution. Russia, over the course of 25 years, stagnates at best, and from the point of view of its scientific, technical and production-technological potential, it is rapidly deteriorating. There is a fast-paced race in the world, and we have people who have the power, reducing the future to mining cryptocurrencies at the Moskvich factory.

“Why don't you consider our elite truly national?”

- If we compare, say, the American and Russian elites, the following will rush into our eyes. Since the end of the XIX century. The first US multimillionaires (the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, etc.) bequeathed much of their capital to the development of universities, museums, and schools. Our current ruling class has developed as a result of the three stages of the disposal of Russia. At the first stage (the second half of 1980-x - the beginning of 1990-x) were the sellers of the motherland. These are mainly employees of Soviet foreign trade associations, special services, the Soviet banking system, yesterday's speculators with theater tickets, etc. The second generation is property raiders. At first, the property was devalued once in 15-20, and then transferred to the right hands. So the first Russian billionaires appeared - from Khodorkovsky to Potanin. And the third wave is the kings of the state order. Budget construction projects are the same people, and we all know them. None of these guys have released an electric car, like Ilon Mask. They did not produce anything, they just got it.

- And how far is 1% of the population of Russia from the people?

— Россия — страна вопиющего неравенства. Мы гораздо ближе к Конго, Ботсване или Кот- д`Ивуару, чем к Швеции, Финляндии или Германии. Вообще коэффициент неравенства в России (коэффициент Джини) 0,41, в Германии — 0,3, в Китае — 0,43. Что касается имущественного неравенства, то, по оценкам зарубежных организаций, а также Всемирного банка, оно самое большое среди 50 крупнейших экономик мира.

- You said that Trump will take away foreign money from officials and oligarchs. So what do we ordinary people have?

- Everything is very simple. Russian pensioners receive pensions from the budget. The source of budget replenishment is, firstly, taxes from the population, secondly, taxes from corporations. Recently, a law was enacted providing for the exclusion of taxes from individuals and corporations that fell under sanctions. Now imagine that Trump will take over foreign money not from 5, but from 25 officials and oligarchs. It will only mean that they and their companies will not pay taxes to the budget. Accordingly, social benefits and benefits will be the first to suffer. A system has emerged when the limitation of opportunities abroad is compensated by the expansion of opportunities inside. Therefore, on the one hand, of course, someone may be pleased with the requisition of officials and oligarchs' money, but we must remember that the Russian population will pay for it.

A new global division of labor and production is being formed. We lived more or less well during the period of expensive oil, but it ends. Largely, because already with 2022, most cars will use either electric motors or hybrids, the demand for gasoline will drop dramatically, that is, in the next 5-7 years we may find ourselves against the background of technological leaders in the position of the current Nigeria or angola. For whom it will hit the most? According to the people.

High-tech Russia the world does not need. A significant part of Western elites is united in the fact that Russia is a unique reserve - a repository of resources. Therefore, their main task for the near future is to complete the process of de-industrializing the country, destroying the scientific and technological potential and turning it into a huge repository of resources for a rainy day, the onset of which is attributed by the American intelligence community to 2030-2035.

- What can ordinary people do in this situation?

- First of all, it is necessary to clearly divide what depends on a person, on what he has no power over and cannot change. Since the Russian economy is not self-sufficient, and critically dependent on exports and imports, then ultimately the overall economic situation in the country depends little on not only ordinary people, but also on the country's leadership.

Under these conditions, the most rational strategy is to focus on friends, communities, family, and concrete things that are not dependent on government decisions to the maximum. Of course, everyone is well aware that the main business is a business with gosdengi. But it can end literally within an hour. Therefore, in the short term, the main thing is to do your own business, health and education of children. After 10 for years, the world will be unrecognizable. The role of the state in this world is very noticeably transformed. Therefore, their future life depends on what kind of education their children receive now.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 19 November 2017 07: 00 New
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    Well, so did the first Peter to educate young people in Western patterns. The nobles in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE owned RUSSIAN people. So they tried to calibrate with imported crooks only to emphasize their own superiority and the right to slavery
    Those who managed to snatch from all of us slipped into the current elite. Realizing that they are elementary thieves trying at least somehow to give themselves respectability, they run fairy tales of varying degrees of moronity. Understanding that in RUSSIA, apart from hatred, even from lysoblyudov * they’re not expecting anything from their descendants, they are trying to hide a coin and prepare a shelter.
    1. esaul
      esaul 19 November 2017 09: 24 New
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      the first thing that was done was in the search engine "stuffed" - who is ... The search engine, in addition to general information, issued
      An economist, a member of the Izborsk Club, Elena Larina, predicted that the United States would take away the capital of our rich and corrupt officials in offshore, back in 2011.

      After that, it became boring to read. I do not think that our newly-made "elite" is so stupid that I can’t continue to drive money over the hill in the hope that there is guaranteed and lasting prosperity for them. Gaddafi’s example to help you and edify them. Everyone is well aware that, in case of emergency, Western sharks will tear the capitals of everyone who tried to hide in their harbors, and not just the Russian nouveau riche that shed from Russia.
      The fact that in Russia has not yet grown its own real elite - I agree with Larina. Putin is attempting to do this - the presidential talent pool is an example. But, this is not a 20-year process. A “sexually mature”, in social terms, morally healthy generation should grow up. And what do you think was created by the elite in the USSR? After all, 70 years of unlimited power! No, it wasn’t. Otherwise, these "elitists" would not have brought down the country. Do not agree with me?
      Pliz - words of the author ---------- At the first stage (the second half of the 1980's - the beginning of the 1990's) there were sellers of the Motherland. These are mainly employees of Soviet foreign trade associations, special services, the Soviet banking system, yesterday's speculators with theater tickets, etc. ________
      Still - do you think that the elite is always absolutely unemotional? Very vain! The same Potemkin did good for Russia, not depriving himself. There is no point in talking about the Orlov brothers - corruption on an astonishing scale. But Russia, after all, remembers them for good!
      Do you think that Lenin was deprived of vices and vanity? Not at all! He was ready to go over his head to power and did not hide this, signing very bloodthirsty decrees. You can judge his “homelessness” by the palace in which he lived after the coup - the former house of the Moscow governor-general (I can remember, but, nevertheless, the former, elite, noble estate), which is modestly called the “Lenin House in Gorki” laughing confirmation of "selflessness? Pliz -------------- In the 1918 year, Vladimir Ilyich came here on vacation for the first time. The manor and the park surrounding it were so liked by the leader of the proletariat that he returned here more than once, turning the estate into a personal residence. Lenin personally ordered that the interiors be left in their original form. And today the Lenin Gorki Museum-Reserve offers everyone to take a look at genuine pieces of furniture and everyday life from the beginning ..._____________ I, when I visited 1979 there, thought for the first time that "... how terribly far they are from the people" laughing For those difficult times for the country, it would be possible to behave more modestly.
      And now about the mentioned Rockefellers, Fords and others ... Do you think Ford was most concerned about the prosperity of the host country? Oh no! He cared about profit. And you could forge money then in a quiet harbor called America because The European continent was constantly stormy from military conflicts on which these Fords, Rockefellers and Dupons grandmothers successfully boarded up. And when it became profitable to place production in third world countries, because of the cheap slave of power, production floated there, which Trump is now lamenting and trying to change the situation.
      So, colleagues, the elite (which is so arranged in this imperfect world) can never engage in altruism, especially the category of people whom, for some reason, have come to be called the "elite", but in fact - money bags with different degree of conscience.
      Still - the trouble is that charity does not advertise itself, but it does exist. Moreover, from the side of very rich people. It's me that there are "bags" that do good. And by ear - rationals and burnt pragmatists who tied themselves to the main financial flows. So the president has to “cooperate” with them, trying to urge everyone to play by the rules for the good of the country.
      Well, that's how I see it.
      Sincerely. repeat
      1. captain
        captain 19 November 2017 11: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: esaul
        the first thing that was done was in the search engine "stuffed" - who is ... The search engine, in addition to general information, issued
        An economist, a member of the Izborsk Club, Elena Larina, predicted that the United States would take away the capital of our rich and corrupt officials in offshore, back in 2011.

        After that, it became boring to read. I do not think that our newly-made "elite" is so stupid that I can’t continue to drive money over the hill in the hope that there is guaranteed and lasting prosperity for them. Gaddafi’s example to help you and edify them. Everyone is well aware that, in case of emergency, Western sharks will tear the capitals of everyone who tried to hide in their harbors, and not just the Russian nouveau riche that shed from Russia.
        The fact that in Russia has not yet grown its own real elite - I agree with Larina. Putin is attempting to do this - the presidential talent pool is an example. But, this is not a 20-year process. A “sexually mature”, in social terms, morally healthy generation should grow up. And what do you think was created by the elite in the USSR? After all, 70 years of unlimited power! No, it wasn’t. Otherwise, these "elitists" would not have brought down the country. Do not agree with me?
        Pliz - words of the author ---------- At the first stage (the second half of the 1980's - the beginning of the 1990's) there were sellers of the Motherland. These are mainly employees of Soviet foreign trade associations, special services, the Soviet banking system, yesterday's speculators with theater tickets, etc. ________
        Still - do you think that the elite is always absolutely unemotional? Very vain! The same Potemkin did good for Russia, not depriving himself. There is no point in talking about the Orlov brothers - corruption on an astonishing scale. But Russia, after all, remembers them for good!
        Do you think that Lenin was deprived of vices and vanity? Not at all! He was ready to go over his head to power and did not hide this, signing very bloodthirsty decrees. You can judge his “homelessness” by the palace in which he lived after the coup - the former house of the Moscow governor-general (I can remember, but, nevertheless, the former, elite, noble estate), which is modestly called the “Lenin House in Gorki” laughing confirmation of "selflessness? Pliz -------------- In the 1918 year, Vladimir Ilyich came here on vacation for the first time. The manor and the park surrounding it were so liked by the leader of the proletariat that he returned here more than once, turning the estate into a personal residence. Lenin personally ordered that the interiors be left in their original form. And today the Lenin Gorki Museum-Reserve offers everyone to take a look at genuine pieces of furniture and everyday life from the beginning ..._____________ I, when I visited 1979 there, thought for the first time that "... how terribly far they are from the people" laughing For those difficult times for the country, it would be possible to behave more modestly.
        And now about the mentioned Rockefellers, Fords and others ... Do you think Ford was most concerned about the prosperity of the host country? Oh no! He cared about profit. And you could forge money then in a quiet harbor called America because The European continent was constantly stormy from military conflicts on which these Fords, Rockefellers and Dupons grandmothers successfully boarded up. And when it became profitable to place production in third world countries, because of the cheap slave of power, production floated there, which Trump is now lamenting and trying to change the situation.
        So, colleagues, the elite (which is so arranged in this imperfect world) can never engage in altruism, especially the category of people whom, for some reason, have come to be called the "elite", but in fact - money bags with different degree of conscience.
        Still - the trouble is that charity does not advertise itself, but it does exist. Moreover, from the side of very rich people. It's me that there are "bags" that do good. And by ear - rationals and burnt pragmatists who tied themselves to the main financial flows. So the president has to “cooperate” with them, trying to urge everyone to play by the rules for the good of the country.
        Well, that's how I see it.
        Sincerely. repeat

        I agree with you. I had the pleasure of communicating with the elite of the time of Gorbachev. It was believed that apart from our own well-being, our party bosses were not interested in anything. I am very sorry for some commentators who believe in fairy tales that comrades Lenin, Trotsky, Uritsky, Sverdlov, etc., mourned with tears of fate the fate of a Russian peasant. They did not care deeply about a man, they solved their tasks. Moreover, a very bloody method. And the modern elite is a consequence of the rule of the heirs of Marcus and there is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the face is crooked.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2017 13: 30 New
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          Quote: captain
          And the modern elite is a consequence of the rule of the heirs of Marcus and there is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the face is crooked.

          Or maybe those glorious years when the Russian peasant differed little from the slave, and the nobles preferred to squander fortunes in Paris, London and Rome, rather than equip their own state, where did they get the money from? Indeed, now the situation is almost one in one reminiscent of one.
        2. esaul
          esaul 19 November 2017 16: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: captain

          captain

          drinks
        3. samarin1969
          samarin1969 19 November 2017 16: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: captain
          I agree with you. I had the pleasure of communicating with the elite of the time of Gorbachev. It was believed that apart from our own well-being, our party bosses were not interested in anything. I am very sorry for some commentators who believe in fairy tales that comrades Lenin, Trotsky, Uritsky, Sverdlov, etc., mourned with tears of fate the fate of a Russian peasant. They did not care deeply about a man, they solved their tasks. Moreover, a very bloody method. And the modern elite is a consequence of the rule of the heirs of Marcus and there is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the face is crooked.

          In fact, everything is true. It is unfortunate that many do not understand this, and some deliberately lead away from this uncomfortable truth. hi After the year 1917, Russia is a people without an elite.
      2. Pravodel
        Pravodel 19 November 2017 12: 16 New
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        The issue raised in the blog is fundamental to Russia. External enemies could never defeat Russia at all times, if the people of Russia and the Russian elites were united and connected by a common goal: the prosperity of Russia, and each time Russia fell apart once the elites were separated from Russia, from its goals and objectives, betrayed its interests. So it was the XIII century. When Russia, torn by the struggle of the princes, fell under the onslaught of the Mongols; in the XVII century, when the betrayal of the boyars and the princedom led to confusion, and Russia, Russia almost ceased to exist as a result of the Polish invasion; twice in the XX century: in 1917 and the 90s, when the collapse of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR was due to the decomposition and betrayal of the elites, in the first case Freemasonry, deeply climbed into the upper floors of state power, in the second - decomposition and corruption of the party-bureaucratic apparatus of the USSR. Hence, the question of whether the Russian elite belongs to Russia itself is a crucial issue of power in Russia: either the elite is nationally oriented and works for Russia, contributes to the prosperity of the Fatherland, or the elite is an element that has come to Russia, managing Russia in the interests of foreign capital, in the interests of the West. Moreover, in one case as well as in another case, the elite itself may be corrupt, it may not be corrupt, this is not a matter of principle. Most importantly, does the elite work for or against Russia !?
        A. D. Menshchikov, the closest associate of Tsar Peter, was repeatedly beaten by the king for embezzlement, but at the same time he always remained in power. The reason - Menshchikov, even stuffing his own pockets, remained a statesman, taking care of Russia and its prosperity. In contrast, Prince Gagarin, the Governor-General of Siberia, who also stuffed his own pockets, was executed. The reason is the betrayal of the interests of Russia, the desire to separate Siberia from Russia. Similarly with Potemkin, the Princes Orlov, etc. All of them, stuffing their own pockets, first of all thought about Russia, about the good of Russia.
        The situation is different now, when bribe-takers, corrupt officials, all money acquired by crime are immediately taken to the west, where their relatives immediately leave after the dough. It is good if the state manages to detain such a criminal at the border. But in most cases this does not happen, and thieves, robbers of our national wealth continue to lead a luxurious life in the West, pouring mud on Russia and investing resources stolen from the people in the fight against Russia. The corrupt Russian elite is not the fifth, not the sixth, but the first column of the West, shaking Russia from the inside and ready to betray the interests of Russia as soon as possible. For such an elite, national interests are an empty phrase, its interests are where its capital is located, where its children study, where the relatives evacuated live on time. For such an elite, the people of Russia, their needs, aspirations do not exist in principle, for it there is only that which allows them to fill their own pockets even tighter and have time to hide behind a hill and in offshore. The development of education, medicine, art, science for such an elite is only important to the extent that it allows you to push the dirty thieves' paws even deeper into the national budget. Hence, the state’s task is to maximally cleanse the Russian elite from bribe-takers, embezzlers, from all those for whom Russia is only a feeding trough that ensures existence.
        To control the elite in Russia, there must be a special body whose task would precisely be to uproot the traitors of Russia from the elite by analogy with how Stalin did it in the 30s before the war, or I. Grozny, relying on oprichina. Ultimately, it was this purge of the elite carried out by Stalin before the war that made it possible to win the war and not surrender, not put the country under the Nazis. No matter how much the liberals say or shout that the people won the war, the Soviet people, but in reality Stalin won the war, having cleared the country's leadership of traitors.
        History does not know the subjunctive mood, but it knows historical parallels and possesses them perfectly. It is enough to turn to the 90s to see what Stalin saved the country from by cleansing the elite in the 30s. If this had not been done, then there would have been no feat of the Soviet people, more precisely, it would have been, but it would have been the last blow of the Russian people going to the scaffold ... Thank God that this did not happen. It was fortunate that the country was headed by a leader who cleaned up the state leadership before the bloody Patriotic War.
        On the other hand, the 37th year teaches us yet another lesson that we always need to remember: in order for the Russian army not to be in the situation of the Finnish war of 39-40 and the beginning of the Patriotic War of 1941 in a moment critical for the state and the Fatherland so that the army’s purge similar to that of the end of the 30s was not needed, the state should carefully monitor the personnel of the armed forces and the education of the officer corps, preliminarily clearing out potential traitors from its ranks. Only in this way, by purifying its ranks, by purifying the elite of Russia, Russia will be able to withstand, first of all, internal, and then external enemies. The betrayal of the elites is the greatest danger to Russia. Russia is able to withstand any external enemy, but is defenseless against internal enemies that betray it from the inside. The purity of Russia's elite is the key to the prosperity of the Fatherland.

        "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 19 November 2017 20: 49 New
          +1
          The difference between the elite of Catherine 2 from the modern one is that they are simple: Ushakov - a young man with an ax, Lomonosov - in a train with a herring, Suvorov - not from the highest ranks, Kutuzov, Potemkin - not from very wealthy nobles, just the ability to work constantly, personal loyalty ....
          And the slogan "People-State-Fatherland" must be given legal force, otherwise, it’s just a boltology
        2. White and fluffy
          White and fluffy 23 November 2017 11: 45 New
          0
          Fully meets my ideas about the elite of society.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 November 2017 08: 16 New
    +3
    It will only mean that they and their companies will not pay taxes to the budget.

    Well, if the government really wants to fall into the hole dug by them themselves, then let them not take taxes from companies. But it seems to me that this is unlikely.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 November 2017 08: 33 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60

      Well, if the government really wants to fall into the hole dug by them themselves, then let them not take taxes from companies. But it seems to me that this is unlikely.

      So already removed! You do not know? Rotenberg's law was adopted, not heard? Several oligarchs are already exempt from taxes.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ccdTEzN_las
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 09: 00 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Rotenberg's law was adopted, not heard?

        Lies. Not accepted.
        Quote: Stas157
        Several oligarchs are already exempt from taxes

        The Rottenberg Law, if any, meant compensation (at the state expense) for losses from sanctions (a la seized property abroad).
        This law has not been adopted (an Internet to help, everything is open).
        The Non-Resident Tax Relief Act is a savsam-savsam of another theme ...
        To school, to the garden (s).
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 November 2017 09: 41 New
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This law has not been adopted (an Internet to help, everything is open).

          Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law that exempts individuals under Western sanctions from paying taxes in Russia. It is called the “Timchenko law” on the basis that, as the press wrote, in reality, only a narrow circle of people from Putin’s “environment” can benefit from the amendment to chapter 23 of part 2 of the Tax Code: businessmen Gennady Timchenko and Arkady Rotenberg, head of Rosneft Igor Sechin.

          The document is published on the official portal of legal information. Earlier, the State Duma and the Federation Council approved the bill.

          Quote: Golovan Jack
          To school, to the garden (s).

          Do not describe boiling water from anger, unfortunate.
          In pursuit, keep one more tax break:
          On November 16, the State Duma adopted government amendments to the Tax Code, which establish tax deductions for large projects of Rosneft and Gazprom.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 10: 04 New
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            Stas, you are ... alternatively gifted.
            He told you:
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Internet to help, everything is open

            Okay, by division:
            Quote: Vika
            The law of Rothenburg (officially - draft federal law No. 607554-6 “On Amendments to the Federal Law“ On Compensation for Violation of the Right to Judicial Proceedings within a Reasonable Term or the Right to Enforce a Judicial Act within a Reasonable Time ””) - a bill introduced by a deputy of the State Duma of the VI convocation from the United Russia faction V. A. Ponevezhsky and involving the payment of compensation from the federal budget to Russian citizens and organizations whose foreign property has been arrested or otherwise imposed by decision of foreign courts and other competent authoritiesand adopted on first reading on October 8, 2014

            The law has not yet been adopted, and is unlikely to ever be adopted.
            Therefore your
            Quote: Stas157
            Rotenberg's law passed ...

            ... the essence of lies, which was pointed out to you.
            Objections, additions? wink
            About the "Timchenko law":
            ... если в налоговом периоде в отношении физического лица действовали меры ограничительного характера, введенные иностранным государством <...>, такое физическое лицо независимо от срока нахождения в Российской Федерации может не признаваться в этом налоговом периоде налоговым резидентом РФ, если в этом налоговом периоде это лицо являлось налоговым резидентом другого государства

            Of course, I understand that the wording is for you ... too florid, but still - try to read to the end, and comprehend what is written.
            Then you can still thread blather ... publish.
            Quote: Stas157
            amendments to the Tax Code, which establish tax deductions for large projects of Rosneft and Gazprom

            And this is generally no side ... This is the state. stimulation of the aforementioned Gazprom and Rosneft on the development of its (read - state-owned, these are state-owned companies, if it is) infrastructure. No more and no less.
            You would still here "law on tax holidays for small businesses" (which 477 FZ) dragged ... And what - according to your logic, also - "at the expense of ordinary people", og ...
            Stas ... You are still alt, patented request
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 19 November 2017 10: 35 New
              +4
              Dear, since when did PAO become state-owned?
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 19 November 2017 23: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              . And what - according to your logic, too - "at the expense of ordinary people", og ...
              Colleague, you at least have a smoke.
              I'll put a kintz for you, take a look and crank Slavik Zhukovsky
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 23: 33 New
                +7
                Quote: Stroporez
                look and crank Slavik Zhukovsky

                Nah ... I'm lazy.
                Quote: Stroporez
                do you even have a smoke

                Oh, a good idea, by the way. Smoke break - and in lyuli, I get up at 6, and go to work march march.
                And here you yourself, with Slavik for a couple ... I think, do not get bored wink
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 20 November 2017 00: 09 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  And here you yourself, with Slavik for a couple ... I think, do not get bored wink

                  I don’t get bored with the young ladies good
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Nah ... I'm lazy.

                  "Beard" is there:
                  -Mamma, do you want fish?
                  -Want!
                  -So go and buy!
                  -So I can’t!
                  -Then lie down and do not trynd !!! tongue laughing
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  - and in lyuli,

                  Have a good dream, let you dream great poo wassat
        2. badens1111
          badens1111 19 November 2017 09: 51 New
          +8
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Lies. Not accepted.

          They didn’t accept it, because the publicity went that some kind of fat cats, a little stolen state, should also compensate to the detriment of the population.
          Whom to say thank you for this law? EP-party fat cats.
          So, at the expense of the school and other things, you yourself go there and get enlightened on the subject of whom and why the "parliamentary majority", an obedient instrument in the hands of the nouveau riche, defends such laws.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 10: 37 New
            10
            Quote: badens1111
            They didn’t accept it, because the publicity went ...

            This, dear, is irrelevant.
            The conversation was about "accepted, or not accepted."
            The correct answer is "not accepted."
            Sing better than your spiders wassat
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 19 November 2017 10: 45 New
              +8
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Sing better than your spiders

              It’s easier for me to make lies in your web, to make a gap, and you will weave in a new way.
              What is it about EP-or are you its apologist and lawyer?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 10: 53 New
                10
                Quote: badens1111
                What about EP

                I am absolutely parallel to any of the parties.
                Under the Union (later already, early for a few years did not find laughing ) I did not join the CPSU, although they suggested ... well, very persistently.
                From which hangover would I now be interested in the same EP? To me, you see, once, things are full ... it’s you who graze here for days on the Internet ... and with geese, YYYY laughing laughing laughing
                Quote: badens1111
                It’s easier for me in your web of lies to make a gap

                But about my lies - please, in more detail and in the colors ... otherwise I’ll expose you with yap, you’ll probably be ashamed wink
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 19 November 2017 11: 13 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  From which hangover would I now be interested in the same EP? To me, you see, once, things are full ... it’s you who graze here for days on the Internet ... and with geese, YYYY

                  Are you talking about yourself?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  But about my lies - please, in more detail and in the colors ... otherwise I’ll expose you with yap, you’ll probably be ashamed

                  Try, it will be curious to see your dances with tambourines.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 11: 17 New
                    +9
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Are you talking about yourself?

                    And you’re dumb as well, the campaign ... no, dear, it’s about you.
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Try, it will be curious to see your dances with tambourines

                    I'm waiting for how and with what you confirm your rotten bazaars the words:
                    Quote: badens1111
                    It’s easier for me in your web of lies to make a gap

                    So this one ... where's my lies? Sing, little light, don't be ashamed (s) laughing
            2. stas
              stas 19 November 2017 10: 48 New
              10
              Jack the Ripper!
              The law did not seem to be adopted, but it works (the Tsar gave the go-ahead), and the oligarch thieves are gaining weight at the expense of the people.
              According to the Constitution, the president can not be more than two terms in a row, and ours reigns 4 term, and met for 5 term. Just don’t shout that he hasn’t decided yet. Everything was decided and the 5 period will reign, so for the intrigue people mislead.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 10: 57 New
                10
                Quote: stas
                The law did not seem to be adopted, but it works (The king gave the go-ahead)

                Lies.
                Quote: stas
                and oligarch thieves are gaining weight at the expense of the people

                This is true, but only in part.
                The main thieves-oligarchs have already been grounded ... "there are no others, but those farther away, ogh ...
                Those that remain are "tame", and sometimes they even benefit ... bridges, panimayte, build, and so on.
                In general, capitalism without capitalists ... doesn’t happen, this is an objective reality such yes
                Quote: stas
                Everything was decided and the 5th term will reign ...

                For lack of a maid - we have a janitor (s) laughing
                But somehow, I somehow don’t see yet, although I don’t complain about eyesight ...
                1. stas
                  stas 19 November 2017 12: 13 New
                  10
                  Jack, there is an alternative, instead of a market thieves flea market, a social socialist state.
                  And Glazyev would be better than DAMA, but Putin holds DAMA, this is his alternative, but this is not the choice of the people to whom the law belongs to the government.
                  The people are shown the Big Figs, with which the people disagree, and this is our alternative.
                  1. Monster_Fat
                    Monster_Fat 19 November 2017 12: 40 New
                    +8
                    Interestingly, is Glazyev’s growth higher than GDP? If "higher" then - do not see him "premiership", as "his ears .." wink
                    1. stas
                      stas 19 November 2017 13: 45 New
                      +7
                      All the dignity of DAMA in its small growth than that of the King.
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 19 November 2017 15: 53 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The main thieves-oligarchs have already been grounded ... "there are no others, but those farther away, ogh ...

                  yeah) it was about a dozen before, and with air defense already by the second hundred it will soon be ...
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Those that remain are "tame", and sometimes they even benefit ... bridges, panimayte, build, and so on.

                  mdyayaya ... do you really think so?
                  I have a question tada))) And rothenbergs hto? bridge builders? plumbers?
                  You finally know that in our country, oil pipelines are the most expensive in the world, as well as roads.
                  And the Rotenbergs and Timchenko’s benefit will be only in one case, this is when they are first convicted and then hanged (they’re shot for no reason) ... or disposed of in some other way.
                  I don’t understand why you are drinking for power. Are you troll? son of an oligarch? official? or so-so on mindfool
                  1. stas
                    stas 19 November 2017 17: 12 New
                    +3
                    Jack is a political self-wrestler without a Head.
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 17: 35 New
                    +8
                    You will talk with Stas, he will explain everything to you ... at the level available to you.
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    do you really think so?

                    And let's do a mental experiment like this ... let’s give you Sling cutter, many, and let's say - "and build us, brother ... a bridge to the Crimea."
                    Build it? Oh well ... you don’t know how, and money - ... will fall in love wink
                    And Rottenberg will build it.
                    That's the whole difference between you and him, actually request

                    Quote: stas
                    Jack political self-wrestler Headless

                    "Zahist" in the suburban style "defense", EMNIP.
                    Stas, you yourself understood what you said?
                    Stas, you alt ... on the "salary" you do not pull, IMHO.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 19 November 2017 18: 03 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      here we will give you, Stroporez, a lot of money, and say - "and build us, brother ... a bridge to the Crimea."
                      Build it? Oh well ... you don’t know how, and money - ... will fall in love wink

                      Build and much cheaper!
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And Rottenberg will build it.
                      That's the whole difference between you and him, actually request

                      Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg (born December 15, 1951, Leningrad) is a Russian businessman, a billionaire. Honored Coach and Honored Worker of Physical Culture of the Russian Federation[1], doctor of pedagogical sciences, author of more than 30 educational-methodical and scientific works in the field of organization and management of the training process [1] [2] (c) Wiki.
                      Read his biography !!!
                      And here I am a design engineer, this is the first difference and not a friend of a friend, this is the second difference., Much more significant.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 19: 43 New
                        +9
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Build and much cheaper!

                        The titmouse boasted to light the sea (c)
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        And here I am a design engineer

                        What, excuse me, constructor?
                        And my question was not about that at all ...
                        To implement a project of this scale, a designer, as such, is not needed. I need someone able to lead a project. And it’s not necessary in the field of bridge building (and he will find specialized professionals).
                        You will not pull it (and do not argue wink ) And love the money ... not yourself, of course, good people will help you. When a lot of money is on hand, such people are always there.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        And here I am ... not a warrior drugan, this is the second difference., Much more significant

                        And you this one, how is it ... a find for a spy, Sling cutter. And this is the third difference, the most significant.
            3. zoolu350
              zoolu350 20 November 2017 23: 16 New
              0
              What, they again broke you off in the wretched business of whitewashing the affairs of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, the fact of considering this law is important here.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 November 2017 08: 36 New
    0
    All right told! !! hi It is a pity that this does not reach the authorities! !!
    1. stas
      stas 19 November 2017 15: 03 New
      11
      The authorities know everything, therefore, they organized the guard under their subordination, not trusting the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 08: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Herkulesich
    All right told! !! hi It is a pity that this does not reach the authorities! !!

    What authorities and what should reach? To the authorities, who adopt these laws? So they clearly fulfill the plan of destruction! The President’s address to the people with revelations and the change of the Government and “smeared” officials into really thinking and active professionals, that’s probably what the people are waiting for ... But knowing “these”, it’s such a shock that my mother doesn’t grieve! Is Putin ready for this, are we ready?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 November 2017 09: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Evrodav
      ... change of the Government and the "smeared" officials ...

      Any actions of the president, prime minister, officials of all levels are limited by the laws that the Duma elected by all of us adopts. A step to the right, a step to the left - an article, a jump in place - a swamp. Put at least Christ at the helm will be the same. The people constantly vote for the EP party, whose chairman is D. Medvedev. Putin cannot go against the will of the people. So "There is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the faces themselves are crooked."
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 19 November 2017 09: 28 New
        +9
        Tell me, how do you feel about Sechin’s failure to appear for trial to Ulyukaev, in the context of what you wrote? I mean that any actions of the authorities are limited by the scope of laws. I’ll write an obvious thing, but no less truthful from this: LAWS ARE WRITTEN FOR US, NOT FOR AUTHORITIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE MONEY. Hence the races of the golden youth, which the authorities are not able to stop!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 November 2017 09: 47 New
          +8
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          LAWS ARE WRITTEN FOR US, NOT FOR AUTHORITY, AND THOSE WHO HAVE MONEY.

          We still live according to Roman law written by slave owners (demos) in order to give slaves (okhlos) the illusion of law.

          There was Soviet power, there were only laws. Capitalism has become - other laws have become. But even under the USSR, with the advent of Khrushchev, power began to become beyond the jurisdiction.
      2. stas
        stas 19 November 2017 15: 05 New
        +6
        Therefore, Putin does not hold referenda in order not to fulfill the will of the people.
        And his crooked face does not need to be applied to all the people.
        You know how to lick parquet floors in the Kremlin to shine.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 15: 28 New
          +8
          Quote: stas
          Therefore, Putin does not hold referenda

          The referendum - do you personally pay? And you won’t start screaming that this referendum stands like ... airplane wing one hundred Armat (Su-57, Caliber ... underline what you need)?
          Stas, are you still an alt ... or just on a salary ...
          1. stas
            stas 19 November 2017 15: 42 New
            10
            Bye, weirdo and fake elections of the State Duma and the Tsar are even more expensive. And Dimon’s cottage is no less.
            Abramovich poured money and now bought a whole block in New York.
            So with this money it was possible to arm at least 3's wartime tank divisions.
            Usmanov, Gref, Chubais and other bloodsucker bourgeois stole the Russian armies on the 10.
            A referendum would be cheaper, and the stolen could be returned to Russia. That is the price of the referendum.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 16: 26 New
              +7
              Quote: stas
              A referendum would be cheaper, but the stolen could be returned to Russia

              Two "would" already exist. One thing you missed, in a hurry, or because of ignorance. There "would be", if in Russian, yeah.
              That is - you all just assume, we note yes
              Quote: stas
              That is the price of the referendum

              Your two would be? You are mistaken, the referendum is much more expensive laughing
              Stas ... go to the forest, tired, right word.
              Or that thread is really smart give birth. Trolling me is useless, and not for you to try ... I do not advise.
              Quote: Strugatsky "Monday starts on Saturday"
              I do not recommend it. Will eat
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 19 November 2017 15: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: stas
          Therefore, Putin does not hold referenda in order not to fulfill the will of the people.

          This is what will of the people - for every woman for a man, and for every man for half a liter?
          Administratively illiterate people cannot be trusted to rule the country!



          ps / And more about the will of the people. Now I can’t remember from the summer, but if the initiative gains 100 of thousands of votes - it must be reviewed a thought.
          1. stas
            stas 19 November 2017 16: 28 New
            +9
            Boris, you're wrong. Under the Constitution, power belongs to the people and natural resources too.
            Power to the people - Figwam.
            The people have the right to a decent life, but when the salary (if you do not steal) is enough only for food and housing and communal services - this is not a decent life.
            Under socialism, China has bypassed us for a long time, and we are the richest in natural resources in the world, and actually a little better than Ukrainians and Moldavians with Bulgarians. That’s the whole economy of the Tsar.
            Gogol has such a character in "Dead Souls" Plyushkin - who kept his people half-starved, although he was not a communist and gebist before.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 November 2017 17: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: stas
              Under the Constitution, power belongs to the people ...

              Power is a practical ability to manage.
              How many types of power do you know and which of them is ruled by the people? I know only one power, which is controlled at an unconscious level by the people - this is the egregional-matrix management. About other types of power:
              1. stas
                stas 19 November 2017 17: 43 New
                +2
                Borya, you're wrong again!
                There is still Soviet power through the councils of people's deputies, and not just market-thieves through swindlers EP.
                But you were not invited when the Constitution of Russia was written about the power of the people.
                You should speak about the egregore-matrix management in the zoo in front of the monkeys and show them your pictures.
                I'm afraid for the monkeys, they will die laughing.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 November 2017 18: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: stas
                  There is still Soviet power through the councils of people's deputies, and not just market-thieves through swindlers EP.,

                  Here you are talking about different concepts of device life.
                  Quote: stas
                  You should go to the zoo in front of the monkeys

                  And this is rudeness. including till. hi
  5. thinker
    thinker 19 November 2017 08: 53 New
    +4
    Since the Russian economy is not self-sufficient, and is critically dependent on exports and imports, in the final analysis the general economic situation in the country is little dependent not only on ordinary people, but also on the country's leadership.
    Bullshit economist.
    1. stas
      stas 19 November 2017 16: 33 New
      +2
      Dear thinker, You are thinking about whose delusions, if I will support you about the king’s.
      But DAMA will say in response, there is no money and Figvah and not money.
  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 19 November 2017 09: 06 New
    18
    Yeah, "focus" on the family, ... get involved in education .... on what the state cannot influence .... that is, in simple terms, become a "spherical horse in a vacuum." Citizen "started for health, and finished for rest." On points: 1) it will not be possible to distance oneself from the state as this state puts "tricks" on its citizens at every turn, see inflation, expensive loans, rising housing and communal services prices, "gradual" transition to paid healthcare, paid education, raising the retirement age , fraud with accrual of pensions, the introduction of new explicit and veiled taxes and fees, etc. products of the "crazy printer." In such circumstances, how to “forget” about the state and focus on the family? The state simply will not allow this to be done. 2) focus on education? Well, in the first place it (education) is now paid, is there the necessary amount for it? With salaries at the level of "Zimbabwe" in the vast majority of the population of Russia? In addition, Russia is not Moscow, and in "mono-cities" and "provinces" there are no universities, institutes, etc., and will this education be in demand, with the complete closure and bankruptcy of enterprises, companies, etc.? Secondly, it takes time, and where to get this time when you have to "plow" from dawn to dusk at several jobs to maintain at least average wealth in the family, and you also have to constantly solve those "tricks" that we constantly throws up our government with its "crazy printer." So, the advice of a mistress-business woman who successfully "got into the stream" once again shows how similar "expert advisers" are far from the real life of a simple Russian person ...
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 19 November 2017 15: 19 New
      +1
      Monster_Fat Today, 09:06
      Yeah, "focus" on the family, ... get involved in education .... so that the state cannot influence ....
      The state simply will not allow this to be done.

      Right And this has been said for a long time
      You can not engage in politics, all the same, politics is yours.
      The words of the French writer and politician Charles Forbes de Trion de Moschpalambert (1810-1870).
      The meaning of the expression: it is impossible to be outside politics - in any case, one who deliberately avoids it (does not participate in the elections, does not declare his position) still remains in the political sphere, only as its object - the object of political technology, information processing. Thus, an apolitical person paves the way to power for those who aspire to it, and thereby still objectively participates in the political process.

      source: Encyclopedic Dictionary of winged words and phrases. - M .: Lokid-Press. Vadim Serov. 2003.
  7. midshipman
    midshipman 19 November 2017 09: 16 New
    +3
    Thanks to E. Larin. I have the honor.
  8. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 19 November 2017 09: 25 New
    12
    A strange advice is given by this citizen! That is, relax and have fun? I'm afraid this adviser from the category of historian Narochnitskaya. Nevertheless, the large artillery of the aspirators of power pulled up! Under the correct speech as a whole, they want to teach us not to do things!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 19 November 2017 11: 43 New
      +8
      Hell! I swore in almost the same words! drinks hi
    2. stas
      stas 19 November 2017 15: 08 New
      +3
      Freak, you got attached to a woman, ask your questions to the Dame, who likes the Tsar.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 19 November 2017 15: 29 New
        0
        Who are you talking to and what kind of lady are you talking about?
  9. Vard
    Vard 19 November 2017 09: 31 New
    +3
    Humus accumulates half a millimeter a year ... The elite is formed at the same pace ... in our seventeenth we took one elite ... twenty years ago another ... That elite that we will have walks under the table ...
  10. 82т11
    82т11 19 November 2017 09: 39 New
    +3
    As soon as the United States begins to take money from Russian officials and oligarchs that are stored in the West, they will immediately begin to transfer them back to Russia. Americans also understand this, so they simply scare me unfortunately.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 19 November 2017 10: 16 New
      11
      .... they will immediately begin to transfer them back to Russia

      You are so naive ... love
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 19 November 2017 10: 33 New
      +3
      :-) Fun! Picked up in a quote pad in the social network.
  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 19 November 2017 11: 30 New
    10
    That is, she claims that everything has already been decided, nothing can be changed, suggests "relaxing and having fun"? Kapets. If only nobody remembered that this swamp can be stupidly destroyed and "we ours, we will build a new world" in which there will be no place for private property and predestination in someone's personal / clan interests. Well no. I do not agree with this mouthpiece of the current "stability" am
  12. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 19 November 2017 14: 07 New
    +3
    All these cultivators of elites and this very “elite” must all be sent to Kolyma by 25 years. Then, at least, Russia will breathe calmer.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 19 November 2017 14: 21 New
    +5
    - You said that Trump will take away foreign money from officials and oligarchs. So what do we ordinary people have?
    - Everything is very simple. Russian pensioners receive pensions from the budget. The source of budget replenishment is, firstly, taxes from the population, secondly, taxes from corporations. Recently, a law was enacted providing for the exclusion of taxes from individuals and corporations that fell under sanctions. Now imagine that Trump will take over foreign money not from 5, but from 25 officials and oligarchs. It will only mean that they and their companies will not pay taxes to the budget. Accordingly, social benefits and benefits will be the first to suffer. A system has emerged when the limitation of opportunities abroad is compensated by the expansion of opportunities inside. Therefore, on the one hand, of course, someone may be pleased with the requisition of officials and oligarchs' money, but we must remember that the Russian population will pay for it.

    It is time to recall the Stalinist economy and the Stalinist financial system.
    And do not persuade us that there is no way out. It does not and will not be if we continue to fall in a liberal way by killing the country.
  14. Greenwood
    Greenwood 19 November 2017 14: 30 New
    +2
    Under these conditions, the most rational strategy is to focus on friends, communities, family, and concrete things that are not dependent on government decisions to the maximum. Of course, everyone is well aware that the main business is a business with gosdengi. But it can end literally within an hour. Therefore, in the short term, the main thing is to do your own business, health and education of children. After 10 for years, the world will be unrecognizable. The role of the state in this world is very noticeably transformed. Therefore, their future life depends on what kind of education their children receive now.
    It seems to me easier to spit and topple. How to continue to engage in sadomasochism, trying to fight a corrupt system.
  15. turbris
    turbris 19 November 2017 14: 31 New
    +2
    Another "nightmare" from an aunt who claims to be original. Who does she belong to the national elite? Judging by her statements - only the oligarchs, she does not want to see anyone else in this company. The elite is not only money, in a country where the main property continues to remain with the state, oddly enough, far from everyone has privatized. And at present it is not correct to indicate these percentages, it is important not who owns what, but how effectively he manages this property, hence the budget revenues. But it is necessary to introduce a progressive tax, sooner or later it will happen anyway, and these excuses that they will not pay, but the whole garbage will be deduced, then the state will ensure timely tax collection.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 19 November 2017 14: 49 New
      +8
      Well, there, not only "they will not pay" plays a role, they believe that low income will stimulate wealthy foreign entrepreneurs such as moving to Russia .... they believe it holy .... I’m looking at the line of millionaires who are behind Russian citizenship ...... winked
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 19 November 2017 22: 59 New
        +1
        ....... current actors for their own PR.
  16. VladGashek
    VladGashek 19 November 2017 15: 00 New
    +2
    It is impossible to fully agree with E. Larina, especially with the position of the last thesis. In my opinion, it is necessary to revive the "national pride" of the Russian, not the Great Russian. The national elite, no matter how you stick it, will degenerate into an international, globalized elite. We need Russian patriotism, all for Russia, for the benefit of its peoples. Not the interest of the elite, but the good of the people. Well, like Scandinavian socialism, without liberoid freaks. Helen, thank you for the interview.
  17. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 15: 10 New
    +7
    Quote: stas
    Jack

    Golovan Jack, with your permission ... (almost Shchekn ... but my dog’s name is Jack, and I'm here ... on his behalf laughing )
    You did not read the Strugatsky? In vain ... marvelously broadens the horizons, I recommend ...
    Quote: stas
    ... there is an alternative, instead of a market thieves flea market, a social socialist state ...

    And Santa Claus as a means of realizing this, ahem, idea ... there has never been such a state, at least never lie to yourself.
    Quote: stas
    And Glazyev would be better than Dames ...

    Maybe. Because there is nowhere worse request
    But Glazyev, IMHO, too ... not a cake. But there is no real alternative to Putin (from which, in fact, the dump began).
    Those who wish may try to refute (c).
    Quote: stas
    ... Putin holds DAM ...

    ... since Putin is smarter than the same, for example, Trump, and understands that breaking everything at once through the knee is more expensive for himself (and the country, by the way).
    If you don’t see that “at the helm” there are now at least three different “forces” - you are blind, like a mole, call ...
    Quote: stas
    ... this is not the choice of the people to whom the law belongs to power

    Damn ... a joke, since the Union:
    - I have a right?
    - Yes, you have.
    “So I can?”
    - No you can not.
    - How, but I have the right?
    - Yes, you have.

    Continue ... sequence laughing
    Quote: stas
    People are shown the Big Figs, with which people disagree, and this is our alternative

    The rent in Sweden and the Russian Federation, grub prices (I just don’t need palm oil, normal grub) in the same Russian Federation and Sweden (damn it, I got into the tongue) compare ... then draw something about " figwam. "
    I, having a couple of cats in care and a sickly dog, take on a normal life for 250-300 raccoons a month. In the Russian Federation. In Sweden this is stupidly impossible, I'm there veins worked for a while, as if - in the know.
    And in Sweden, by the way - "Swedish socialism", if ...
    But I’ll find you right now, right now, that I can only go out into the street, here we have guys fighting vodka nearby ... by destroying it through consumption inside laughing
    If this is "your alternative" ... well, tell me ... sorry for you ...
    Here is such garbage ... Stas wink
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      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 16: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        ... well, how to say it ...

        In-in-in ... how to say it correctly, and you won’t get a “medal” for it (there wasn’t enough for anything else ... um, censorship ... spend "nine lives" laughing ).
        Sin, unclean! I didn't call you wassat
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  18. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2017 18: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Vasily50
    Well, so did the first Peter to educate young people in Western patterns. The nobles in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE owned RUSSIAN people. So they tried to calibrate with imported crooks only to emphasize their own superiority and the right to slavery
    Those who managed to snatch from all of us slipped into the current elite. Realizing that they are elementary thieves trying at least somehow to give themselves respectability, they run fairy tales of varying degrees of moronity. Understanding that in RUSSIA, apart from hatred, even from lysoblyudov * they’re not expecting anything from their descendants, they are trying to hide a coin and prepare a shelter.

    Well, you’re contradicting yourself - if they are thieves, what kind of elite are they? In general, many use the term "elite" somewhat freely, or even incorrectly! hi
  19. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov 19 November 2017 18: 23 New
    0
    Pay the people? Here the West then achieves this. And this is in order to destabilize the whole of Russia and split it.
  20. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 19 November 2017 18: 26 New
    +2
    "For the money taken from the oligarchs, the people will pay" .............................. Who would doubt that?
    1. stas
      stas 19 November 2017 18: 46 New
      +3
      There will be no other options, which the Tsar has been proving to us in the Kremlin for 17 years.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 19 November 2017 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: stas
        There will be no other options, which the Tsar has been proving to us in the Kremlin for 17 years.

        Judging by some comments, they still believe ... "Blessed are the believers" ...
  21. strelets_2
    strelets_2 20 November 2017 00: 26 New
    0
    Quote: The Truth
    The issue raised in the blog is fundamental to Russia. External enemies could never defeat Russia at all times, if the people of Russia and the Russian elites were united and connected by a common goal: the prosperity of Russia, and each time Russia fell apart once the elites were separated from Russia, from its goals and objectives, betrayed its interests. So it was the XIII century. When Russia, torn by the struggle of the princes, fell under the onslaught of the Mongols; in the XVII century, when the betrayal of the boyars and the princedom led to confusion, and Russia, Russia almost ceased to exist as a result of the Polish invasion; twice in the XX century: in 1917 and the 90s, when the collapse of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR was due to the decomposition and betrayal of the elites, in the first case Freemasonry, deeply climbed into the upper floors of state power, in the second - decomposition and corruption of the party-bureaucratic apparatus of the USSR. Hence, the question of whether the Russian elite belongs to Russia itself is a crucial issue of power in Russia: either the elite is nationally oriented and works for Russia, contributes to the prosperity of the Fatherland, or the elite is an element that has come to Russia, managing Russia in the interests of foreign capital, in the interests of the West. Moreover, in one case as well as in another case, the elite itself may be corrupt, it may not be corrupt, this is not a matter of principle. Most importantly, does the elite work for or against Russia !?
    A. D. Menshchikov, the closest associate of Tsar Peter, was repeatedly beaten by the king for embezzlement, but at the same time he always remained in power. The reason - Menshchikov, even stuffing his own pockets, remained a statesman, taking care of Russia and its prosperity. In contrast, Prince Gagarin, the Governor-General of Siberia, who also stuffed his own pockets, was executed. The reason is the betrayal of the interests of Russia, the desire to separate Siberia from Russia. Similarly with Potemkin, the Princes Orlov, etc. All of them, stuffing their own pockets, first of all thought about Russia, about the good of Russia.
    The situation is different now, when bribe-takers, corrupt officials, all money acquired by crime are immediately taken to the west, where their relatives immediately leave after the dough. It is good if the state manages to detain such a criminal at the border. But in most cases this does not happen, and thieves, robbers of our national wealth continue to lead a luxurious life in the West, pouring mud on Russia and investing resources stolen from the people in the fight against Russia. The corrupt Russian elite is not the fifth, not the sixth, but the first column of the West, shaking Russia from the inside and ready to betray the interests of Russia as soon as possible. For such an elite, national interests are an empty phrase, its interests are where its capital is located, where its children study, where the relatives evacuated live on time. For such an elite, the people of Russia, their needs, aspirations do not exist in principle, for it there is only that which allows them to fill their own pockets even tighter and have time to hide behind a hill and in offshore. The development of education, medicine, art, science for such an elite is only important to the extent that it allows you to push the dirty thieves' paws even deeper into the national budget. Hence, the state’s task is to maximally cleanse the Russian elite from bribe-takers, embezzlers, from all those for whom Russia is only a feeding trough that ensures existence.
    To control the elite in Russia, there must be a special body whose task would precisely be to uproot the traitors of Russia from the elite by analogy with how Stalin did it in the 30s before the war, or I. Grozny, relying on oprichina. Ultimately, it was this purge of the elite carried out by Stalin before the war that made it possible to win the war and not surrender, not put the country under the Nazis. No matter how much the liberals say or shout that the people won the war, the Soviet people, but in reality Stalin won the war, having cleared the country's leadership of traitors.
    History does not know the subjunctive mood, but it knows historical parallels and possesses them perfectly. It is enough to turn to the 90s to see what Stalin saved the country from by cleansing the elite in the 30s. If this had not been done, then there would have been no feat of the Soviet people, more precisely, it would have been, but it would have been the last blow of the Russian people going to the scaffold ... Thank God that this did not happen. It was fortunate that the country was headed by a leader who cleaned up the state leadership before the bloody Patriotic War.
    On the other hand, the 37th year teaches us yet another lesson that we always need to remember: in order for the Russian army not to be in the situation of the Finnish war of 39-40 and the beginning of the Patriotic War of 1941 in a moment critical for the state and the Fatherland so that the army’s purge similar to that of the end of the 30s was not needed, the state should carefully monitor the personnel of the armed forces and the education of the officer corps, preliminarily clearing out potential traitors from its ranks. Only in this way, by purifying its ranks, by purifying the elite of Russia, Russia will be able to withstand, first of all, internal, and then external enemies. The betrayal of the elites is the greatest danger to Russia. Russia is able to withstand any external enemy, but is defenseless against internal enemies that betray it from the inside. The purity of Russia's elite is the key to the prosperity of the Fatherland.

    "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot.

    Started for health, finished for peace! (This is about the purges of the 30s - 37x) And the RUSSIAN PEOPLE won the war !!!
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      DPN 22 November 2017 21: 05 New
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      Without; leader "Stalin, people would not have won the war. A pack needs a leader, not a Gorbachev ram - provided, of course, that he is not a traitor.
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