Putin approved the strength of the Armed Forces of Russia

Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree on the staff strength of the country's armed forces.

The decree is published on the official portal of legal information.

<...> I decide to establish the staff strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the amount of 1 units, including 902 military personnel

- the document says.

It is noted that the decree takes effect on January 1 of 2018 of the year.

In August, it was reported that Russia ranked second in the “2017 Military Strength Rating of the Year,” published on the Global Firepower portal. According to the rating, which includes 133 countries, the United States ranked first, the third was taken by China.

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[210ox]

That is, it turns out that half of the numerical strength is not military? I don’t want to drive a wave, maybe outsourcing is needed, but isn’t there too many, so to speak, “clung to the carriage”?

[Going]

Who can decipher?

[weksha50]

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

Compared to today, the personnel of civil servants will increase by 5064 people ...
Actually, we are not particularly interested in this information ... To scatter 5000 civilian positions in all the Armed Forces .... Yes, let's say, even in the forming in the Central Military District of the Central Federal District, civilian associations are needed?
There shouldn't be any "kipesh" around this information ...

[hrych]

Quote: weksha50

There shouldn't be any "kipesh" around this information ...

So the GDP of all and pricks, contains an army of two million, and tells everyone that a million

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hrych

Quote: weksha50

There shouldn't be any "kipesh" around this information ...

So the GDP of all and pricks, contains an army of two million, and tells everyone that a million

[Going]

Quote: hrych

Quote: weksha50

There shouldn't be any "kipesh" around this information ...

So the GDP of all and pricks, contains an army of two million, and tells everyone that a million

There's something about it.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

Finished service at the district ammunition storage base. There were many civil servants, for example, a VOKhR detachment guarded the base, the MTO drivers were civilians, the financial unit was all civilian women, riggers, locksmiths, heads of storage facilities, storage facilities with food, things, chemicals, fuels and lubricants, engineering property. There was even a trade union. All were on the staff of the unit and received a salary from the Ministry of Defense.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Anatole Klim

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

Finished service at the district ammunition storage base. There were many civil servants, for example, a VOKhR detachment guarded the base, the MTO drivers were civilians, the financial unit was all civilian women, riggers, locksmiths, heads of storage facilities, storage facilities with food, things, chemicals, fuels and lubricants, engineering property. There was even a trade union. All were on the staff of the unit and received a salary from the Ministry of Defense.

He served 26 years in the Soviet Army, after his dismissal in 1991, he remained as an employee of the RA. There were 90% of those like me, civilians, former officers and warrant officers in the TECh division. So there is no need to talk about the newcomers "Uncle Vasya" from the neighboring village. The professionalism of us "civilians" (with our experience) was much higher than that of regular officers and warrant officers. We taught them, they did not teach us.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Piramidon

So there is no need to talk about the newcomers "Uncle Vasya" from the neighboring village.

My friend, I have my own sad experience about attracting former military personnel to work in units. Previously, in the VOKHR detachment, there were Vasya's uncles from a neighboring village, there was no work there, they valued the work very much, the sentry's duties bounced off the teeth, according to the introductory attack on the post, an alarming group of rural men with SKS carbines was running for an advantage, well, they would tear any saboteur or DRG, if not torn. then they will trample for sure. But then came Gorbachevism, there were layoffs and redundancies of officers, there was no work in the military town, and I began to gradually replace the village men with former commanders of battalions, divisions, NSh, deputy NSh, even the NSh regiment was at the post with an ordinary VOKHR member, and what I got, these Former commanders brought me a lot of trouble and trouble, during the check they slept in the bushes at the post, they could organize a booze in the guardroom, I checked it and will not come again, and I returned an hour later and again checked the guard and caught them, how many times I told them: You were a commander yourself a few months ago, chasing soldiers, and what are you doing, they hid their eyes and mumbled, which happened by chance, in short, who did not understand kicked out in shame, although many understood me and did not take offense. I told the pure truth, I answer for every word.

[Cadet]

Familiar, familiar. As I was told by one security guard on my greeting - Good morning. The answer is wrong, so you don’t need to contact me, I’m a reserve colonel, you have to say - I wish you good health. The answer is, maybe you can still approach YOU as combatants, comrade-watchman. Questions disappeared immediately.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Anatol Klim

My friend, I have my own sad experience about attracting former military personnel to work in units.

Maybe this is because these retirees did not work for you in their specialty. That's why we relax. With us, I, in essence, performed the same duties as during the period of service, only now without ranks and shoulder straps. Was called an engineer, began to be called a mechanic. Even work uniforms were given to me almost the same. But it was very difficult to teach "Uncle Vasya" how to service our equipment.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Piramidon

Maybe this is because these retirees did not work for you in their specialty.

Just imagine, two regiments and a brigade are disbanded, a large number of men-officers and warrant officers at the age of 40 to 50, so to speak, at the most active age, but there is no work, well, there is simply nothing, many simply drank themselves out of idleness, I tried to give them work in the VOKhR, but you understand, it was not for them, the battalion commander should not become a watchman, and he had no choice, by the way, many simply died before even reaching 60 years old, and the officers were with a capital letter, veterans of the Afghans, heroes.

[Uncle]

Quote: Anatol Klim

slept in the bushes at the post, could organize a booze

Our army was strong with such commanders. No wonder they were kicked at the Vokhrovites.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Uncle

Our army was strong with such commanders

It was with these commanders that we had a strong Soviet army, and it is not their fault that they were betrayed and abandoned to survive, and it is probably not for you to judge their fate.

[Uncle]

Oh, poor things, they were turned off from work, well, what to do, only in a binge or vohr. Is it hard to find a job worthy of a person with a higher education? With leadership experience? Or is there only one thing left to howl at the moon and scold the government?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Uncle

Oh, poor things, they were turned off from work, well, what to do, only in a binge or vohr.

Where does such cynicism come from, a lad, al what a corporal offended? army injury? Howling at the moon is autobiographical or something, but to scold the government is also not original.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Uncle

Is it hard to find a job worthy of a person with a higher education?

How weak. Have you ever lived in a remote garrison? If you lived, you would imagine what kind of jobs there are. After leaving the SA, I lived in such a place for 6 years. And it's good that not all of our units were disbanded and the retirees could get jobs there as RA employees. But I saw garrisons in which all units were completely disbanded and there was NO work.

[Seraphimamur]

There is no worse to lead the former bosses!

[Pirogov]

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

And what is there to decipher, the military must learn to fight, and not do, do not understand what, and for the rest of the work, civilians are needed, my opinion is a very correct approach.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

Well, one, it's kind of a wordless body and no name for it. Well, and the appropriate attitude.
A soldier is a person by definition. There is a gun, which means honor and treatment. And then the muzzle, it has the property ...
On the other hand, everything is correct, but why go through the window when there is a door?
Introduce military training in schools, return military departments to universities. Here's a reserve and accumulate, a toy without military service, but you need to start with this, I think.
However, "the giraffe is big, he knows better" (really. And why am I singing today?)

[GPU-M]

Quote: Going

Who can decipher?

Can I try ..?
The concept of "hybrid annexation" has appeared, and the West is terribly afraid of this!
Our invention ..! The essence of all this is not the number of the Armed Forces, but some "polite little green men"
They appear where they are not expected, then a referendum and then they disappear just as secretly ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: 210ox

maybe outsourcing

Generally speaking, it is outsourcing that should reduce the number of non-military personnel in the RF Armed Forces. That is, exactly the opposite.

Quote: 210ox

but isn't there too many, so to speak, "clinging to the carriage"?

These "clinging" do the lion's share of the work to ensure the life of the RF Armed Forces.
For example, the GRAU arsenal. There are a minimum of military personnel. The aunts, RA employees, are working with some missiles. The VOKhR regime is guarded and provided by the RA employees.
Do you propose to replace them with conscripts, let them do this instead of combat training?
Or give them military ranks? Well, they certainly won't give up the latter 8)))
The third way is outsourcing. Security will be carried out by a third-party private security company, routine maintenance and repairs will be carried out by a third-party private company.

[210ox]

I agree with you, only that there would be control and discipline at the proper level.

Quote: Spade

Quote: 210ox

maybe outsourcing

Generally speaking, it is outsourcing that should reduce the number of non-military personnel in the RF Armed Forces. That is, exactly the opposite.

Quote: 210ox

but isn't there too many, so to speak, "clinging to the carriage"?

These "clinging" do the lion's share of the work to ensure the life of the RF Armed Forces.
For example, the GRAU arsenal. There are a minimum of military personnel. The aunts, RA employees, are working with some missiles. The VOKhR regime is guarded and provided by the RA employees.
Do you propose to replace them with conscripts, let them do this instead of combat training?
Or give them military ranks? Well, they certainly won't give up the latter 8)))
The third way is outsourcing. Security will be carried out by a third-party private security company, routine maintenance and repairs will be carried out by a third-party private company.

[Piramidon]

Quote: 210ox

That is, it turns out that half of the numerical strength is not military? I don’t want to drive a wave, maybe outsourcing is needed, but isn’t there too many, so to speak, “clung to the carriage”?

Are you suggesting that those who should be in the front and engage in combat training, again, like peeling potatoes, raising pigs and digging gardens in the SA? This is what "trailers to the carriage" are for

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: 210ox

That is, it turns out that half of the numerical strength is not military? I don’t want to drive a wave, maybe outsourcing is needed, but isn’t there too many, so to speak, “clung to the carriage”?

Don't you remember who cooked cabbage soup for you in the army? Is it really the same gouge, called to the service with you and not knowing how not only to cook cabbage soup, but also to peel potatoes? almost a million employees, these are those who serve on an equal footing but do not participate in campaigns and exercises, firing and combat duty, who do not enjoy benefits in full, but are necessary for the army? Is it possible to introduce them into the staff of the military? To make it less "stuck"?
I read for a long time that we had about 2500 generals in the USSR. Our head of fodder supplies was a colonel, and in the GDR army, a lieutenant. Forage seems to be horse feed. Parade unit. Do you want any laboratory working in the interests of the army to be headed by a lieutenant general? And the orchestras were led by colonel-generals? (By the way, it is so today).

[rruvim]

And what about the "last" person? You can't round off something ...

[Vladimir16]

Why round off something ???
There is a staffing table. Each person is in his place. Why the heck round up ???

[rruvim]

What is the staffing table? Are you introducing a new brigade, frigate, submarine, squadron, division, and are you sure you are planning the staffing table? You urgently need to transfer a battalion of military police to Syria. And you will do this within the framework of the staffing table, when you have only an airborne battalion in reserve. Do you urgently need to increase the grouping of "otpusniks" in Donbass, and will you do this within the framework of the staffing table? They do not paint before the person, most likely they have another 40-50% of vacant positions. We had 12 fighters and seven officers in the electronic warfare unit, and there were 64 people on the staff, both of them.

[andrej-shironov]

And what do we do with this information? Any considerations?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: andrej-shironov

And what do we do with this information? Any considerations?

Now everyone can sit and think, what is half of all military personnel !!!

[Lelek]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

now everyone is sitting and thinking, why is half of all military personnel

And what is there to think. And until today, there was such a proportion between the "involved" and the military. Who is embarrassed by this - did not serve in the army. It is only during the war that the proportion changes somewhat, but for now, it is peacetime.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

now everyone is sitting and thinking, why is half of all military personnel

And what is there to think. And until today, there was such a proportion between the "involved" and the military. Who is embarrassed by this - did not serve in the army. It is only during the war that the proportion changes somewhat, but for now, it is peacetime.

too many civilian personnel !!! one serviceman is served by one civilian !!!

[Xnumx vis]

And you can pay this civilian three times less, you do not need to feed, etc., etc.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

now everyone is sitting and thinking, why is half of all military personnel

And what is there to think. And until today, there was such a proportion between the "involved" and the military. Who is embarrassed by this - did not serve in the army. It is only during the war that the proportion changes somewhat, but for now, it is peacetime.

too many civilian personnel !!! one serviceman is served by one civilian !!!

Do you think it would be better if one soldier is served by one soldier?
Are you really so stupid that you do not understand that the more civilians serve the military, the cheaper the army, and the military is busy with purely military affairs. Boots are better tuned by a shoemaker than a pastry. And not a sniper. You do not know that a huge army reserve always exists and is always on the lists of the mobilization reserve. First of all, those who are today, in peacetime, are near the army are called up. And it's not just cooks and shoemakers, tailors and parachute handlers.

[pvv113]

Remember and keep as a military secret, not disclosing under any circumstances

[rruvim]

But, there are only a few, but there are military personnel in the difference of 900 units ...

[ul_vitalii]

An example of the base of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea before the well-known events, according to the agreement, so much, in fact, so much when it became necessary to staff to the eyeballs, and maybe more.

[kenig1]

Broaden your horizons.

[weksha50]

Compared to the previous Decree, the number of military personnel has NOT increased ...
So talking about explicit preparation for war on the basis of this decree is not a trace ...

[rruvim]

This is not a question of preparing for war. She will be so and so. It's just that such decrees are "secret", the payroll is always updated and changed. Moreover, some power units are described by other orders, decrees and orders. And this is a "piece of paper" for number 555, so for the layman, if not a "fake" at all ...

[Herculesic]

And when will our reservists be retrained for new, more modern equipment? And then my friend on the T55 was a mechanic-driver! He has a dream in life, at least to sit at the levers of T72, but he doesn't dream of more modern technology! ! After Afgan, people saw military equipment only at parades, or in museums! !!

[Cadet]

They called my colleague to the training camp, he served as cryptographers in the 80s, he asked to show at least something of the modern, they did not show it))) was offended and did not go to training camps anymore.

[nikolaev]

not enough

[den3080]

why is it incomprehensible?
1 million military personnel and 900 thousand marketers

[Doliva63]

Not impressive. Now, if only the waitresses!

[rruvim]

I think 900 thousand units are weapons attached to military personnel.

[den3080]

the main marketer "young" Vasilyeva was removed from the field with a bunch of girlfriends, so now they are marketers))

[Kashchey-M]

When the Army and the Navy are powerful and well-armed, it’s somehow calmer ... (I know from the USSR and compare with the 90s)
And the rest will follow!

[weksha50]

Quote: Kashchei-M

When the Army and the Navy are powerful and well-armed, it’s somehow calmer ... (I know from the USSR and compare with the 90s)

Vitaly, with a new rebirth of you!
Only ... Kashchei was immortal ... And here ... Kashchei-M ... Modernized, or what?

[Mavrikiy]

Well, how would it be ..., but on the other hand, on Mars, they went to school, or really, Yale gives the brain and does not see the edges.
1 units and 900 military personnel. It is clear, "staffing" means a number, "NUMBER" is 000 and ... In what units will we measure? And in units. Quiet horror and idiocy.
The staff of the division is about men. Look at any summaries - in people. Look at the size of the armed forces of the USSR - in people.
Thanks to the dear party "United Russia" for not counting the monkeys or the definitions of the Sobchachks.

[serge siberian]

If the VOKHR protects the fighters, then the charter of the "Guard and Garrison Service" will go down the drain. And the equipment and in the offensive will be followed by repairmen with a tool and the tracks to repair tanks under enemy fire. And uniforms will be given to the foremen on the front line.
I served 30 years as an urgent service and part of it served 90% of the sentry. She still carries it today. Take away this service, give it to the konrabass and no part.

[Holoy]

There are more Generals in Russia than there were in the USSR ... The trouble is, however, the Masked men are putting pressure on the Army!

[Ural resident]

in my opinion in Soviet times there was an army of 1 - something like that.
I didn't think that now we have so many military men. but it does not affect civil life - it means normal. can add.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

in my opinion in Soviet times there was an army of 1 - something like that.

it's just your way !! I don’t even know how such an absurd assumption could be made, taking into account all the might of the USSR !!!

For 1960 - 3 623 000 people
For 1974 - 3 940 000 people
For 1977 - 4 220 000 people
For 1982 - 5 000 000 people
For 1985 - 5 350 800 people
For 1991 - 4 210 000 people

[Dedall]

I wonder how our commanders-chiefs want to sort out the situation when the servicemen went to the fields for exercises, and the cafeteria in the civilian unit with aunts who are under fifty years old and auxiliary drunks. I mean, the last schools of military cooks were disbanded in 2011. I myself worked at the Novocherkassk school and I think that the soldiers were getting good skills there.
And what to do in a medical exercise. This is me to the fact that in the medical posts of the units, all the personnel are civilians, and of the military doctors in the units, only chief medical officers are left. We even have problems with shooting, where now doctors go only in case of district checks.
And the positions of psychologists in the units are also all civil. This is despite the fact that military educators (former political officers) have dropped all duties and are doing nothing. Previously, at least they were responsible for libraries and cultural inventory, but now civil aunts are sitting here too.
But the most interesting situation in our troops has developed with the communal services. Territory cleaners for a salary of 6000 rubles have long been dismissed and the question immediately arises who ascribes this money to himself, if the soldiers again sweep the territory. They are cleaning their own barracks now, and there must also be civilian cleaners. And as you know from the anecdote about Raskolnikov: "Soaked 100 grannies - here's a ruble for you!" This I mean that there is another monetary scam peeping through here.
The report is finished!

[muhomor]

It is not clear only that the number of military personnel is decreasing, but the number of units is growing! What is it? Again, "crop" the parts!

[Bare]

God bless the Russian army! one hope for the world.

[voyaka uh]

1 million military personnel per 140 million population. A bit too much, but reasonable.
Americans also have 1 million troops per 330 million of the population.
China has 1,5 million military personnel per 1,4 billion population.