US threatens to revive an arsenal of missiles banned by the INF Treaty

Washington is laying the groundwork for a revival of an arsenal of weapons banned under the INF Treaty. These plans can be brought to life, if Russia "continues to violate" the agreement, leads TASS message of the newspaper The Wall Street Journal.

According to a newspaper referring to US officials, the Pentagon is conducting "preliminary research and development aimed at a potential revival of an arsenal of banned medium-range and short-range ground-based missiles in the event Moscow continues to violate the pact."

According to sources, Washington does not want to withdraw from the treaty. Now his main goal is to convince Moscow of the need to fulfill his provisions. "To this end, the United States expects to demonstrate to Moscow which missiles will appear at their disposal if violations of the treaty continue," explains the publication.

The idea is to send a message to the Russians that they will be paid militarily for (further) violation of this treaty. We position ourselves as living in the world, as if there is already no INF on the DDRM, if Russia wants such a world,

said one of the newspaper's interlocutors.

Recall, on Tuesday, the lower house of the US Congress approved the allocation of $ 58 million to counter the alleged violations of the INF Treaty. This provision is enshrined in the Pentagon’s Budget and Policy Bill for 2018. It states that in the light of Russia's violations of the INF Treaty, the United States "has the right to suspend its implementation as a whole or refuse to apply a number of articles."

Comments

[210ox]

This and the hedgehog understand Cold War 2.0 in full swing ..

[Alexanast]

Quote: 210ox

Cold War 2.0 "in full swing ..

And we will leave START 3

[maxim947]

One gets the impression that they are trying to drag us into another arms race. It’s better, of course, as the people say, to overspeak than to underexposure, but you can also get sprayed. The main thing is not to succumb to unnecessary temptations and do everything rationally and pragmatically, which, in principle, is what the Defense Ministry does.

[VALERIK_097]

Which is practically being implemented now.
I just see the previously abandoned positions, quietly new complexes are standing and do not shine.
Corner reflectors crammed into the hills, also in the spirit of the times. On one of them I hung the most catchy bait)))).

[NEXUS]

Quote: maxim947

One gets the impression that they are trying to drag us into another arms race.

It comes from the beginning of the rearmament of our army. The same asymmetric steps are also an arms race, only in economy form.

Quote: maxim947

The main thing is not to succumb to unnecessary temptations and do everything rationally and pragmatically, which, in principle, is what the Defense Ministry does.

The rearmament program has been adjusted to 25 years, taking into account new threats, technologies, opportunities. Nobody is going to invent the Death Star.

[maxim947]

Thanks, reassured.

[Oden280]

Why rebase? They already have missiles .. 58 million dollars is the sum for registering teams for the operation of missile defense missiles for ground targets and the like

[Town Hall]

Quote: Alexanast

Quote: 210ox

Cold War 2.0 "in full swing ..

And we will leave START 3

And what will it give?

[Alexanast]

Quote: Town Hall

And what will it give?

And you think, or look for Temko here on the forum ... read.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Alexanast

Quote: Town Hall

And what will it give?

And you think, or look for Temko here on the forum ... read.

In addition to ruining the budget of Russia, it will not do anything else. Now the Russian Federation is able to destroy the USA with the existing arsenal. 10? .. 20 ?. What will change if it will be able to destroy 40 times ?.

[GRF]

Quote: Town Hall

Quote: Alexanast

Quote: Town Hall

And what will it give?

And you think, or look for Temko here on the forum ... read.

In addition to ruining the budget of Russia, it will not do anything else. Now the Russian Federation is able to destroy the USA with the existing arsenal. 10? .. 20 ?. What will change if it will be able to destroy 40 times ?.

Sixes must also understand clearly and unequivocally that they will be enough for n times ...

[Logall]

Quote: 210ox

This and the hedgehog understand Cold War 2.0 in full swing ..

Like the good old days: the Cold War, but with burning contacts in different parts of the world

[Going]

Nobody needs it. Alexander I mean the military.

[Logall]

Victor, And not only the military! Yes, that's just the pendulum, arms lobbyists can no longer be stopped. At least for now...

[Going]

Everyone is afraid of war, but they want money even more, I mean Westerners.

[Alexanast]

Quote: Going

Everyone is afraid of war, but even more want money

May I rephrase you a little ...
Everyone wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die ...

[Going]

And you can’t buy paradise with money, but vice versa.

[Alexanast]

Quote: Going

And you can’t buy paradise with money

Correctly! 30 silver coins have not brought anyone to good.

[Dead duck]

Quote: Logall

cold war, but with burning contacts in different parts of the world

these days it’s better not to touch them ... like a geyropa ...
catch another infection ... all the more hotly and at different points

[Warrior with machine gun]

it would be nice if they remained “old and kind”, the overseas did not understand in any way what to sit out in, out of the puddle and get off with a slight fright, and then they wouldn’t succeed in clinging to the victory in the main role, they would burn along with everyone else, only that still holding back, the supermen themselves do not want to die))

[Partyzan]

Quote: Logall

Like the good old days: the Cold War, but with burning contacts in different parts of the world

yes, but we just need to stop being shy

[iouris]

Quote: 210ox

Cold War 2.0 is in full swing.

The Cold War is a way of peaceful coexistence of two antagonistic social systems: the world of socialism and the world of capitalism. Prove that the Russian Federation is the "world of socialism", or explain the essence of what is happening differently.

[Going]

Or maybe we’ll just live, because we want and will not prove anything to anyone.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Going

Or maybe we’ll just live, because we want and will not prove anything to anyone.

[Going]

Welcome today is Friday quite possible.

[NEXUS]

Quote: iouris

The Cold War is a way of peaceful coexistence of two antagonistic social systems: the world of socialism and the world of capitalism.

Only our world has a DEFENSE doctrine, and their OFFENSIVE. Feel the difference?
We never wondered why, for example, we have a Perimeter system, but do not have mattresses? The answer is simple - THEY KNOW THAT WE FIRST DO NOT UNLOAD THE WAR.

[antivirus]

you can exit all contracts
THE MAIN THING - THE DECISION OF HANDS — TO GO TO ITS GOAL, and not to the universal.
the uncertainty as in 41 g will require the rigidity and cruelty of senior management.
BLACK CAVIARS WILL ALWAYS BE. HAVE TO WORK.
the main ones in that work will be milkmaids and haymakers. with crawlers of railway tracks (and maybe truckers)

[NEXUS]

Quote: antivirus

THE MAIN THING - THE DECISION OF HANDS — TO GO TO ITS GOAL, and not to the universal.

The question of the opposition of the shield and the sword ... we have a defense doctrine, the mattresses are offensive. If they know that our shield is stronger than their sword, they will bark, but not start a war. But if they only feel that their sword is capable of breaking through our shield, then wait for a big fight.

[antivirus]

you can slap a shield on the head or backside .. not much, but to death.
THIS DECISION TO GO ... and not wait for "investment appeal"

[79807420129]

to send a message to the Russians that they will pay militarily for

Striped thong you are already directly threatening the war. well, they saw a lot of menace who became mourners.

[Livonetc]

He will come out sideways.

[Astoria]

demonstrate to Moscow which missiles will appear at their disposal

- what will you demonstrate - a rocket model on which they drank 58 million or the rocket itself in years through ... tsat, clowns ...

[opus]

Quote: Astoria

what will you demonstrate - the model of the rocket to which 58 of millions was drank or the rocket itself years later ..., clowns, clowns ...

Lockheed Martin is currently developing and manufacturing 17 target missiles with varying flight ranges, including five eMRBMs.


back in 2012

Lockheed Martin has submitted a bid for the Missile Defense Agency's Medium-Range Ballistic Missile targets contract. The company said it has implemented innovations, including the "ship-and-shoot" approach, shown here, which delivers a target missile ready to launch. (Lockheed Martin photo)

+

1.Orbital Sciences Corp. (OSC) produces SR19-SR19 (based on the 2 stage LGM-30F Minuteman II)


2.Coleman Aerospace produces SRALT / LRALT (again based on the Aerojet SR19-AJ-1)


3.Coleman and Lockheed Martin make 2x Hera PLV stepped
based on 2 and 3 stages LGM-30F Minuteman II (Aerojet SR19 and Hercules M57)

[Astoria]

SR19 / SR19 was launched for the first time back in 1999, LRALT in 2004, HERA in 1999. Of course, I understand that you can take apart a couple more minutemans and cut money further.

[opus]

Quote: Astoria

and cut the money further.

and the essence of the "claim"?
America has RSD, the production is the same.
I’m talking about

[Herculesic]

I am more than sure that both the Yankees and ours have long since mentally buried this agreement, and therefore they secretly build rockets, which are still prohibited by this agreement.

[Dead duck]

What is most interesting to them is that?! ...
We don’t seem to border on them ... are they worried about others?
Although the “lunge” is understandable, they want to provoke or, as always, blame everything on another.

[Hariton laptev]

and why not listen to them, much less believe them, they long ago left this treaty only present this fact from different angles. And all these warnings are sent to us in the hope that we will believe again and how the suckers will behave.

[Kurare]

The purpose of withdrawing from the treaty is to legitimize the installation of INF missiles (for example, the Tomahawks) at the bases of the missile defense system in Poland and Romania. This has been said many times by the GDP. The missile defense system is a screen, a cover for the INF.

[donavi49]

Not. It's a delusion. Sense of + 40 missiles?

Exit from the INF Treaty - will make it possible to put prefabricated objects based on MK41 and Axes (including removable MK41 from Ticonderoges being written off). These are hundreds of missiles in the Baltic states, Poland, Romania. Moreover, the assembly of such databases will be relatively cheap and fast. The missile defense base is expensive and years are under construction - for the core of the radar base. The base of the Kyrgyz Republic does not need a whole complex of radars.
Perhaps they are working on a mobile complex - on the 4 of the Ax (especially considering that it already exists - but is deactivated according to the INF Treaty).


The next stage is Pershing-NG. But the question is how far they have progressed in the latent phase.

[Kurare]

Quote: donavi49

The missile defense base is expensive and years are under construction - for the core of the radar base. The base of the Kyrgyz Republic does not need a whole complex of radars.

This is what I meant in order to use the structure of the missile defense bases, since the infrastructure is already ready. After all, Americans like to live in comfort, and especially in Romania this is not always the case.

[donavi49]

There it is the 0 effect. There are xnumx rockets. This is nothing.

[Kurare]

Quote: donavi49

There it is the 0 effect. There are xnumx rockets. This is nothing.

These are 16 cells for missile defense, but, as you yourself wrote, you can put new ones.

[pvv113]

Washington does not want to withdraw from the treaty

Tales for the mentally retarded

[BAI]

This contract is beneficial to the United States. The USSR destroyed more carriers and nuclear warheads over it than the United States.

[pvv113]

Naturally! Gorbachev did not sign a single document for the good of the country. All his actions, followed by Yeltsin, were for the good of the United States

[donavi49]

Then yes. Not now.

The essence of the layout is simple.
The United States will receive hundreds, and in the future, thousands of Kyrgyz Republics based in the Baltic States-Poland-Romania. On pre-fabricated bases based on MK41 (not to be confused with missile defense - where radars are built, only launch and command posts are needed here). They will cover the entire European part. And to the main base of the Baltic Fleet, for example, even an ax will fly for 10 minutes. Yes, the Kyrgyz Republic is quite vulnerable to air defense, but they will divert forces from other striking means (fleet, aviation).

The Russian Federation will have the opportunity to burn the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, and at least all of Europe. Which with a smile on her face will die on the orders of her overlord. However, these funds do not directly threaten the United States.

Therefore, an agreement in the current conditions (when the border of US vassals approached the ancestral lands, and from the same Ukraine to Moscow 500 km (Peter is generally sad). Here the agreement is already more beneficial for Russia.

At the same time, bases with the RMND, if they appear in the Baltic States, Poland, and Romania, will relate to an immediate strike. That is - you can identify the fleet output. It is possible to identify the relocation of the B-52 / 1 / 2 - as well as tactical aircraft. And this is done for some time, when it is still possible to use the diplomacy of the last chance or to prepare for the reciprocal. Immediately - an order came, the keys were turned, the rockets were gone. When the team will come. Now. Tomorrow. In a year?

[TOR2]

Quote: donavi49

At the same time - bases with the RMND, if they appear in the Baltic States, Poland, Romania, will be related to an immediate strike

In the Baltic States will not appear for sure. If you start with elementalism. After what time the launch will be detected. Suppose in 15 seconds, after which from the territory of the Pskov region. a missile will be launched (according to the NATO classification in my “Gazelle2"). "Pershing", or whatever will be there instead, it will catch up on the acceleration section.

Quote: donavi49

500 km to Moscow (Peter is generally sad)

As for Peter, the game is certainly difficult, but not hopeless. Here, non-standard counteraction systems will come to the fore, and the classics will recede into the background.

[opus]

Quote: TOR2

after which from the territory of the Pskov region. anti-missile launch (according to the NATO classification in my "Gazelle2").

on the territory of Pskov-no missile defense, "gazelle-2" for sure

Quote: TOR2

she will catch him at the acceleration section.

what is overclocking? it's an intercept

(for all purposes)

Quote: TOR2

Here, non-standard counteraction systems will come to the fore, and the classics will recede into the background.

what?

[TOR2]

Quote: opus

on the territory of Pskov-no missile defense, "gazelle-2" for sure

Yes, but in spratland, too, there are no medium-range missiles.

Quote: opus

what?

Nope, something like that ...

Microwave with multiple power systems. If the soil complex has very modest parameters due to weight restrictions, then the railway carrier removes these restrictions. Leningrad region. It has a very extensive transport infrastructure, so the use of for example 40 such installations in different modes is not something unrealistic.

[opus]

Quote: TOR2

Yes, but in spratland, too, there are no medium-range missiles.

no one will place them there. maybe it's pointless.
and what is there in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania-xs. you will not check.

Quote: TOR2

Microwave with multiple power systems.

for what?
completely paralyze the work of communications in the territory of the Russian Federation?
1. The law of inverse squares - so far no one has canceled

The intensity of electromagnetic waves (that is, energy per unit area per unit time) or other linear waves emanating from a point source is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source.

This means that an object moved a distance 2 times larger from the source receives only a quarter of the power that he would get at the source.
2. I doubt that the microwave will affect RADAG (well, even if it does, then the inertial accuracy will be acceptable)
on DSMAC IV and IIR definitely not
Shl.

Quote: TOR2

Leningrad region. has a very extensive transport infrastructure,

so-so

LO has a pre-prepared electrical network, breaking one support (as in August the LSR concrete mixer knocked down): 9 hours north without email. energy

[TOR2]

Quote: opus

. I doubt that the microwave will affect RADAG (well, even if it does, then the inertial accuracy will be acceptable)
on DSMAC IV and IIR definitely not
Shl.

. The radiation power of the soil complex in a pulse with a duration of 10–20 ns in the centimeter wavelength range exceeds 500 MW. Such parameters, according to the developers, allow hitting guidance systems and electronic equipment of high-precision munitions and guided missiles at a distance of up to 10 km in the 60-degree sector. "Gun" firing "pulses" through an antenna in a 50dB, as can be seen from the graph, can completely disable aircraft electronics at a distance of 12-14 kilometers, and serious malfunctions of navigation systems that jeopardize the performance of a combat mission will also be observed at a distance of 40 kilometers.

Then it was not possible to increase the range due to weight restrictions, which is typical for soil carriers.

Quote: opus

LO has a pre-prepared electrical network, breaking one support (as in August the LSR concrete mixer knocked down): 9 hours north without email. energy

Diesel generator on the right.

[opus]

Quote: TOR2

Such parameters, according to the developers

what "developers"?

At the LIMA-2001 exhibition in Malaysia (2001 year), Russia demonstrated a working example of the Ranet-E combat EMP generator (Defense Systems Daily, 26.10.2001). This complex was created as a means of defense of mobile RES from high-precision weapons. The new system consists of an antenna, a high-power generator, a control subsystem, a measurement setup, and a power supply. "Ranets-E" can be made in stationary and mobile versions (the mass of the actual means of warfare - about five tons). The power of its radiation in a pulse with a duration of 10 – 20 ns in the centimeter wavelength range exceeds 500 MW. Such parameters, according to Rosoboronexport, make it possible to hit the guidance systems and electronic equipment of precision-guided munitions and guided missiles at a distance of 10 km in the 60-degree sector.

?
repeat

Quote: opus

1. The law of inverse squares - so far no one has canceled

500 mW - where?
on the chassis?

Quote: TOR2

10 distance

1 / sqrt (10000m) are converted to 5mW
Note: on the "chassis" everything is burned to the baby.
/ read less politigspert

Quote: TOR2

will be observed at a distance of 40 kilometers.

our electronic warfare (REP) crap one's pants to the fullest
In 2012:

The Russian strategic electronic warfare system (EW) turned out to be powerless before the American GPS global positioning system. In recent exercises at the Ashuluk training ground (Astrakhan Oblast), an EW battalion could not prevent an “enemy” bomber (in its role was a Russian plane) from receiving a signal from a GPS satellite

, said "a source in the Air Force Commander.
GPS !!!

L1 = 1575.42 MHz and L2 = 1227.60 MHz. Transmitter power is 50 and 8 watts respectively.

Quote: TOR2

Then it was not possible to increase the range due to weight restrictions, which is typical for soil carriers.

Yes, fuck, even put directly at the nuclear power plant

Quote: opus

The intensity of electromagnetic waves (that is, energy per unit area per unit time) or other linear waves emanating from a point source is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source.

/ a on the signal in

Quote: TOR2

500 MW.

I will bring my vine

Quote: TOR2

Diesel generator on the right.

or left.
500mW in the pulse of the REP installation, with an efficiency in 25%, this is a pulse source in 2 gW.

The consumption of the Tatar energy system, for example, is about 3 gigawatts, Installed capacity of the largest thermal power plant of the Surgut state district power station is 2 4,8 gigawatts, Power 1 of the power unit of a modern nuclear power plant is about 1 gigawatts,

Energy potential of the Leningrad region

there are questions: about the delirium in 500mW?

[pafegosoff]

And can it be placed in Cuba again?
By the way, the same Caliber can be easily hidden in containers ... Well, Kamchatka and Chukotka: it will fly to Seattle and San Francisco ...

[I doubt it]

"Can it be placed in Cuba again?"
Who will give?
They will draw a bit on the savings of our "citizens" lying in their banks. It will be enough just to transparently hint that we can say and push. And our clever "citizens" will consider such a step "premature, giving nothing, not meeting our interests", they will justify in short ...

[K-50]

Washington lays the foundation for a revival of the arsenal of weapons prohibited under the INF Treaty.

Pin to ssy seek a "legitimate" reason to withdraw from the Treaty without "losing face".
As the saying goes: both want and prick. But, hike. anyway, they will find how to justify the break of the Treaty. So Russia needs to keep this in mind so that the time after such an event, before receiving the "answer", is minimal.
They still will not calm down. Wanted to withdraw from the ABM Treaty, withdrawn. they have a desire to withdraw from the INF Treaty, I think the question is only in time and in pretext.

[gloomy fox]

[/ quote] The idea is to send a message to the Russians that they will pay militarily for (further) violation of this agreement. [quote]

Watch yourself, they want to send a message! to send you a message so that a letter to the Turkish sultan would seem like a children's fairy tale .RF will answer you do not worry about your message.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: iouris

Quote: 210ox

Cold War 2.0 is in full swing.

The Cold War is a way of peaceful coexistence of two antagonistic social systems: the world of socialism and the world of capitalism. Prove that the Russian Federation is the "world of socialism", or explain the essence of what is happening differently.

The Cold War, in its modern interpretation, is a potential non-military confrontation between the USA and any other country in the world that does not correspond to their ideas about the world order. Weak countries simply eat up and jerk, and with the strong, the Cold War.

[Former battalion commander]

Another confirmation is that the west has decided on an armed attack on Russia. Satisfaction up to lickering in the West of Russian leadership will cost a lot to Slavic civilization. Until its disappearance ... Weakness laziness stupidity lack of initiative of the Russian leadership DIRECTLY push the west to the next "drang nah osten". What is the concern of the "Russian" leadership? World Cup, (!?) Olympic games (!?) On which they are not allowed to, laying gas pipes to a REAL military enemy, the courts for their own profane money, "sanitation" (salvation at the expense of people) of thieves common property (supposedly Russian banks) ... A picture of an approaching and apparently inevitable disaster ...

[Eurodav]

"... send a message to the Russians ..."
These animals went mad at the end ...

[akribos]

In case of execution of the like. The most true thing will be to withdraw from the treaty on aerobalistic intercontinental missiles and the possibility of their base on non-military aircraft (civilian and transport, military-armed). It will be cheap and asymmetrical! Sincerely.

[Old26]

Quote: Alexanast

And you think, or look for Temko here on the forum ... read.

And by the way, the Town Hall asked the right question: what will it give?

Quote: NEXUS

We never wondered why, for example, we have a Perimeter system, but do not have mattresses?

And their Mirror system?

Quote: pafegosoff

By the way, the same Caliber can be easily hidden in containers ... Well, Kamchatka and Chukotka: it will fly to Seattle and San Francisco ...

Easy. And then?
From Kamchatka and Chukotka to Seattle and San Francisco? At school, they probably skipped geography, and lit a textbook. I no longer ask where these missiles can get flying over the ocean. second thing. But tell me how a missile with a range of 2500 km (with nuclear warhead) can overcome a range of 3,5 to 4,5 thousand kilometers from Chukotka and 5-6 thousand from Kamchatka

Quote: akribos

In case of execution of the like. The most true thing will be to withdraw from the treaty on aerobalistic intercontinental missiles and the possibility of their base on non-military aircraft (civilian and transport, military-armed). It will be cheap and asymmetrical! Sincerely.

There was no such agreement. There was an agreement on SALT-2 in which it was forbidden to have a BRVZ with a range of over 600 km and use civil aircraft as carriers.
Say what is cheap and non-symmetrical? I’m afraid that it won’t be cheap either, and we get a symmetric answer that is multiple. At one time, there was a project for the deployment of BOING-747 cruise missiles in the amount of something about 100 with kopecks. That is the question. How many such aircraft do the United States have and how many do we have? How many suitable transport and civilian aircraft do we have, and how many America do we have? Maybe at first it would be worth thinking about the answer from that side? After all, it doesn’t cost them to re-equip them with a hundred passenger Boeing 747s or transport S-17s or S-5s, but we don’t have so many cars from the word AT ALL

[Town Hall]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Alexanast
And you think, or look for Temko here on the forum ... read.
And by the way, the Town Hall asked the right question: what will it give?

Russia's withdrawal from the INF Treaty, and especially strategic offensive arms, gives nothing but new problems for its non-Heracles economy.

Significant additional threats to the United States will not create. And will receive in response "a pistol at the temple with a finger on the trigger." From which there is no real protection and in the foreseeable future will not.

[Slam]

[quote = Town Hall] [quote = Alexanast] [quote = 210qu] Cold
naya war 2.0 "in full swing .. [/ quote]

And we will get out of START 3 [/ quote]


[b] And what will it give?
Bush Feet.

[Aim point]

With a bare ass in the arms race is better not to go. The USSR did not pull, and Russia even more so. Well, you don’t need it .....