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Source: Defense Ministry will remove from service military obesity

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to remove from service military personnel suffering from obesity, the corresponding directive was sent to responsible personnel for all units, a source in the security department said on Friday.


Earlier in some online media there was information, according to which the Ministry of Defense instructed to compile a list of soldiers with the third and fourth stages of obesity. It is expected that they will be sent to a medical board, which will decide whether they are fit for service or not.

Source: Defense Ministry will remove from service military obesity


Yes it's true. There was such a directive - all brought under the painting. I think this is a timely decision.
- Said the source agency.

At the end of September, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu signed a decree on conducting a medical examination among military personnel. According to the document, soldiers and officers whose physical form does not meet the requirements of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should be dismissed.

It is reported that personnel departments will have to prepare lists of soldiers with the third and fourth degrees of obesity before 20 in November. After drawing up the list, the military will pass a commission, according to the results of which the recognized military will be dismissed. However, for officers with a third degree of obesity, in exceptional cases, transfer to non-combat units is provided, while maintaining a military post.
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  1. Logall
    Logall 17 November 2017 13: 43
    39
    Right! It would also affect the police ...
    If you barely walk, breathing through it once, then how to protect your homeland ...?
    And law enforcement?
    1. esaul
      esaul 17 November 2017 13: 45
      14
      It seems that earlier there was an attitude to maintain good athletic form among officers. Weakened control? It is necessary to fix it. good
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 17 November 2017 13: 52
        39
        Back in 1999, an inspection from the Ministry came to our unit. FIZO handed over including. The last to be handed over were control officers led by a brigade commander (nicknamed "Kolobok" for the height-width ratio). On the cross 3 km. brigade commander ran a half lap and went on foot. The inspector ran up to him and said:
        - Comrade Colonel, we are passing the cross, not a race walk.
        To which the brigade commander answered him:
        - A running colonel in peace causes bewilderment, and in war - panic.
        Cross-country delivery was frustrated - everyone laughed. And then I first heard this joke.
      2. svp67
        svp67 17 November 2017 13: 57
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        Weakened control? It is necessary to fix it.

        Right there it is already specifically regarding the rear areas, and it is TIME TIME to pinch them ...
        1. esaul
          esaul 17 November 2017 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Right there it is already specifically regarding the rear areas, and it is TIME TIME to pinch them ...

          Hello! Thanks for clarifying good
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 17 November 2017 14: 25
            +2
            Still, personnel officers on a regular basis on combat units and units commanders laughing
        2. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 17 November 2017 14: 27
          +6
          Interestingly, but does this affect the appeal? A great way to show that you are not fit for service. Now mothers will now try to feed their children.
          But seriously, both in the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Emergencies have long taken up the task of maintaining the officers' normal sports uniforms. And all is only in favor.
          1. Nimitz
            Nimitz 17 November 2017 16: 52
            +4
            Quote: Stock Officer
            Interestingly, but does this affect the appeal? A great way to show that you are not fit for service. Now mothers will now try to feed their children.
            ".

            In fact, the reverse trend is now. Those who until recently took bribes to prevent a child from joining the army now take larger amounts for the same child to be in the army. For access to the state feeder without a military card is closed. And the younger generation has no desire to work, especially among the children of state. officials and wealthy parents.
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 17 November 2017 21: 07
            +3
            Quote: Stock Officer
            Interestingly, but does this affect the appeal? A great way to show that you are not fit for service. Now mothers will now try to feed their children.
            But seriously, both in the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Emergencies have long taken up the task of maintaining the officers' normal sports uniforms. And all is only in favor.

            here the fact is that it is difficult for "cabinet" posts to keep fit !!! can you imagine that, for example, the personnel department was sent to FIZO three times a week !!! wassat wassat wassat I always said that the personnel departments can easily cope with the “legal” standards, but they will fail FIZO, and vice versa regarding those who are connected with physical activity every day !!! laughing laughing laughing
        3. your1970
          your1970 17 November 2017 17: 54
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          it is TIME TIME to pinch ...
          - when reconciling the quarterly with accounting, I signed 9 entries in books with bukh - and I have it in 000 cards, we sat for 9-000-3 days without getting up - checking the records. And everyone had a drum that 4-5% of the movement cards would never be there — the single item was in the warehouse — it was received — it left me forever. quarterly subscribe), issue, prepare for shipment for repair. All physical training was reduced to clearing the snow in winter - when in the steppe per night it sweeps above the gates of the post per meter belay and in the attire on duty at the airfield company park.
          It was possible to die on the amount of sedentary work ....

          Z. It's just envy you have to us - the rear drinks soldier

          Z.Z.Z.Y.-when once a commission came to me (after the merger of the parts) to take an inventory — they were in Achra, they thought — they could manage it in a day, a week later they went to work (with tablets lol - put under the feet, even the boots were freezing)
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 17 November 2017 21: 08
            +2
            Quote: your1970
            - when reconciling the quarterly with accounting, I signed 9 entries in books with bukh - and I have it in 000 cards, we sat for 9-000-3 days without getting up - checking the records. And everyone had a drum that 4-5% of the movement cards would never be there — the single item was in the warehouse — it was received — it left me forever. quarterly subscribe), issue, prepare for shipment for repair. All physical training was reduced to clearing the snow in winter - when in the steppe during the night it swept a meter above the gates of the post and dressed in duty on duty in the park of the airfield company.

            lol lol good good good my comment above is right above you just about this situation and tells !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
          2. zivXP
            zivXP 17 November 2017 21: 31
            0
            even the boots were freezing

            Fuck you conditions.
            1. your1970
              your1970 18 November 2017 22: 27
              0
              in 1998 the regiment dispersed a helicopter crying crying
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 17 November 2017 16: 06
        11
        [quote = esaul] [b] It seems that earlier there was an attitude to maintain good athletic form in officers. Weakened control? It is necessary to fix it.
        However, for officers with a third degree of obesity, in exceptional cases, transfer to non-military units is envisaged with the preservation of military posts
        Both are correct. Obesity is not only the problem of nutrition, i.e. what eats and how. Firstly, such a thing as a breed, i.e. genetics. Life style? Yes. Nutrition? Friendship with physical education? Yes. The problem itself is not solved by diet alone. Here is one of the most frequent models: back pain, healed, passed, but there was no competent exercise therapy and comprehensive rehabilitation. Movements in the lumbar region are limited, but the person has enough, he does not notice this. The abdominal press is gradually weakening (due to the limited range of motion in the lumbar and torso). In our intestines we have smooth, not striated muscles. As a result, due to weakening of the abdominal pressure, the intestinal walls expand, as it were, the passage of the masses is disturbed, I am sorry for the details. A person does not notice delays in stool and irregularity. Untimely emptying leads to stagnation of feces, again call. And this is the load on the liver. And now and sleep after dinner, already move less. The abdominal press is weakened even more due to a decrease in the amplitude of movements in the spine. And if a beer lover, the liver begins to feel even worse, and now belly + something in the area where women have breast glands (and this is the liver, friends, not hormones!).
        So forget about sausage and sausages. Take a loin or a neck (but it is fatter), rub it to taste with spices in a baking bag for 10-12 hours on the lower shelf of the refrigerator. After 10-12 hours, preheat the oven to 180 degrees, put your bag in the oven. When you see that it is boiling in a bag and it is pouting, reduce the temperature to 140-120 degrees, gently pierce the bag with a fork on top and another 1 hour. Well, after an hour you make friends, take out anti-crustin from the refrigerator, go boiled pork from the oven and go on, discuss women, ballet, soccer hockey, chiefs and the traffic police and politics.
        Those who did not seriously engage in sports in childhood and adolescence were not friends with physical education, I recommend that you type “Woo for beginners” on YouTube and go. At first, only what happens, then everything is more and more complicated, there are many of these programs. And God save you from yoga. Nobody counted how many people in the world become disabled or die from a stroke with a fool who started to do yoga.
        I don’t know whether I was convinced or not, but keep in mind that before you begin to lose weight, go through an in-depth examination of all organs and systems, including liver function and ECG with exercise. Even if you lose 100 grams per month, this is already a super result. And do not try to torment yourself with starvation, it will only get worse.
        The rest will be told to you by cardiologists, nutritionists, kinesitherapists (exercise therapy doctors on a simple). I described the most common option, in fact, everything is more complicated.
        1. region58
          region58 17 November 2017 17: 41
          +3
          Quote: Balu
          specialists will tell you the rest

          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 November 2017 18: 08
            +2
            Quote: region58
            Quote: Balu
            specialists will tell you the rest


            Set off to both. good
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 17 November 2017 21: 06
          +1
          Quote: Balu
          However, for officers with a third degree of obesity, in exceptional cases, transfer to non-military units is envisaged with the preservation of military posts

          They found something to scare. Many will agree to change the warhead to the rear. In the words of my friend beginning. prod. services - "I will serve as long as I can hold a fountain pen to sign the payroll sheet"
        3. ver_
          ver_ 19 November 2017 05: 41
          0
          ... in concentration camps - there were no thick ones ..- were thin and there were skeletons covered with skin ...
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 17 November 2017 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: Logall
      Right! It would also affect the police ...

      I agree, but it’s a shame for the state.
    3. stolz
      stolz 17 November 2017 13: 47
      +8
      This event can be regarded as a diversion directed against senior officers and ensigns. lol
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 November 2017 17: 15
        +4
        Quote: Stolz
        This event can be regarded as a diversion directed against senior officers and ensigns

        Strengthening the country's defense capability requires sacrifice, it is not up to sentiment. Take care of your health from a young age, harden like steel! Hooray.... laughing
    4. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 17 November 2017 13: 51
      11
      Then in our traffic police and the Ministry of Internal Affairs there will be no one to serve. There are slender only the first 6 months, then they adjust to the boss)))
    5. Petr1
      Petr1 17 November 2017 13: 56
      +3
      Nonsense, this is all that is higher than the captain will need to be fired lol
    6. stas
      stas 17 November 2017 13: 56
      +4
      The document deals with the rear units.
      In general, then invite all the fat to pass the test for physical training and do not need medical commissions.
      1. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 17 November 2017 14: 49
        +6
        Quote: stas
        The document deals with the rear units.
        In general, then invite all the fat to pass the test for physical training and do not need medical commissions.

        Ha!
        I'm with my 110th kg. and at 170 cm tall he calmly physically passed in his age group.
        He left some young captains a kilometer behind.
        But!
        This is after I bought a stationary bike, started running in the mornings, and lost about 30 kg in six months. When it began to hurt financially recourse
        I still walk in this weight, even though I have not served for five years.
        He quit on another occasion.
        Ergo:
        If the degree of obesity allows you to normally pass physical training at least “satisfactorily”, then why not leave it to serve.
        1. BAI
          BAI 17 November 2017 16: 02
          +2
          If the degree of obesity allows you to normally pass physical training at least “satisfactorily”, then why not leave it to serve.

          Similarly. Moreover, I took the pull-up at 45 (by the number of pull-ups) better than other lieutenants, immediately after school.
    7. corporal
      corporal 17 November 2017 14: 58
      13
      Quote: Logall
      And law enforcement?


      tongue
    8. Dead duck
      Dead duck 17 November 2017 15: 28
      +6
      Quote: Logall
      and police

      hi
      amers have it easier, rent out only once upon admission ...
      the main thing is that then I would do my work ... laughing
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 17 November 2017 21: 15
        +5
        It’s easier with amers, they’ll surrender it only once upon admission ...
        the main thing is that then I would do my work ... 




        along the way, in the absence of the opportunity to catch up with the alleged offender and shoot civilians !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 November 2017 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          It’s easier with amers, they’ll surrender it only once upon admission ...
          the main thing is that then I would do my work ... 




          along the way, in the absence of the opportunity to catch up with the alleged offender and shoot civilians !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol

          It's simple: fast food + sedentary lifestyle, in the service moves exclusively on cars. And then this is what a bundle of nerves has accumulated at waist level! It’s a bundle of nerves, lol and everyone thinks a fat African American wassat
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 19 November 2017 21: 05
            +2
            Quote: Balu
            It's simple: fast food + sedentary lifestyle, in the service moves exclusively on cars. And then this is what a bundle of nerves has accumulated at waist level! It’s a bundle of nerves, and everyone thinks a fat African American

            at the time of transporting such a pig on some sort of lift !!! wassat wassat what service there !!! laughing laughing laughing
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 19 November 2017 21: 17
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: Balu
              It's simple: fast food + sedentary lifestyle, in the service moves exclusively on cars. And then this is what a bundle of nerves has accumulated at waist level! It’s a bundle of nerves, and everyone thinks a fat African American

              at the time of transporting such a pig on some sort of lift !!! wassat wassat what service there !!! laughing laughing laughing

              A very nervous service, from which a lump of nerves grew. I was very nervous, so stress stuck. wink
    9. Berg berg
      Berg berg 17 November 2017 17: 28
      +2
      A beautiful order, all the doctors in polyclinics laughed at him during the medical examination. They will not be taken into the army as soldiers. After 5 years of service under the police, they eat sandwiches and pies alone, lunch is prohibited on orders from the post. Prof. Disease!
    10. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 November 2017 19: 13
      +7
      Quote: Logall
      If you barely walk, breathing through it once, then how to protect your homeland ...?

      How? Fall on the enemy.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 November 2017 21: 12
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Logall
        If you barely walk, breathing through it once, then how to protect your homeland ...?

        How? Fall on the enemy.

        Or eat it wassat
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 18 November 2017 20: 27
          +4
          Or eat it

          How bloodthirsty. It is enough to push with a belly and the enemy is defeated. wassat
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 19 November 2017 19: 30
            +2
            Quote: Svarog51
            Or eat it

            How bloodthirsty. It is enough to push with a belly and the enemy is defeated. wassat

            The enemy must be destroyed! wassat
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 19 November 2017 23: 27
              +4
              Well, colleague, we will eat Herod, but after interrogation. tongue drinks
    11. Juborg
      Juborg 17 November 2017 20: 38
      +3
      Weight does not always matter. More than half of analysts and commanders are overweight; nature cannot be fooled. It is foolish to dismiss a brilliant commander or analyst because of excess weight. The approach should be rational and individual, otherwise heaped up firewood (again or again !?).
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 November 2017 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: juborg
        Weight does not always matter. More than half of analysts and commanders are overweight; nature cannot be fooled. It is foolish to dismiss a brilliant commander or analyst because of excess weight. The approach should be rational and individual, otherwise heaped up firewood (again or again !?).

        You are absolutely right. The MO probably understand this. The article itself is just like a lot of letters.
        But for a military man, not at headquarters, but in health troops, the main wealth and guarantee of survival. Completeness is not a sign of health, there is always a metabolic disorder behind it, and this problem has many faces. Now, doctors have a new term in use - the common inflammatory syndrome, they use it where it is necessary and not necessary, without familiarizing yourself with the original source. Take care of the liver, dear comrades. Life is motion.
  2. NIKNN
    NIKNN 17 November 2017 13: 45
    12
    Oh, I feel, without nachprods now the army will remain ...
    1. stas
      stas 17 November 2017 13: 53
      +5
      No, they won’t stay. They’ll pick up bad people and start things thin, they will eat themselves off, then they will be fired and they will pick up thin ones again.
      The bread place will not be empty, the Volsk school rivets other nachprodits.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 17 November 2017 15: 25
        +3
        Quote: stas
        The bread place will not be empty, the Volsk school rivets other nachprodits.

        laughing
  3. sibiryk
    sibiryk 17 November 2017 13: 47
    +5
    V ebyls))) Documents stamped in the media are merged.
    1. alean245
      alean245 17 November 2017 13: 50
      +2
      V ebyls))) Documents stamped in the media are merged.

      Is chipboard a vulture?
      1. hrych
        hrych 17 November 2017 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: alean245
        Is chipboard a vulture?

        Of course
      2. svp67
        svp67 17 November 2017 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: alean245
        Is chipboard a vulture?

        Yes ... But purely OFFICIAL, disciplinary punishment is imposed for his disclosure. But already for the disclosure of higher "vultures" "Secret", "Top Secret" and so on ... already a criminal
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 17 November 2017 14: 29
          +3
          The stamp “For official use” does not establish the status of secrecy, but restricts access to official information in order to exclude uncontrolled use of them and prevent leakage of information contained in these documents.
          http://naar.ru/articles/sekretnoe-deloproizvodstv
          o-stepeni-sekretnosti-dokumentov /
          1. your1970
            your1970 18 November 2017 22: 32
            0
            there is no liability for a chipboard - except for a disciplinary one, even for divulging "secretly" - if there was no admission to it, there is no criminal offense.
  4. Vitas
    Vitas 17 November 2017 13: 48
    +2
    Who will shut up the embrasure now ?! lol
    1. Logall
      Logall 17 November 2017 13: 53
      10
      Duc, they also shut up their own embrasure! But they could also serve in the form of protection, so that they would not hook on our comrades! What area of ​​generation can be blocked ...
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 18 November 2017 20: 09
        +5
        Sanya hi Biological body armor available. The worst thing about this order is that there is no deadline for putting yourself in order. How many fates will be ruined? After all, this is a weapon to settle accounts with an opponent by the hands of the state. A very unfinished document.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 17 November 2017 13: 54
      +1
      What, the fifth point, when strongly pressed? ???? lol
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 November 2017 13: 53
    +1
    All the same, different tolerances and categories will not go anywhere ...
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 17 November 2017 13: 54
    +3
    In Soviet times, every second overweight in the army was an ensign or rear officer! !! Overweight officers did not meet me in linear units! !!
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 17 November 2017 17: 32
      0
      Since they ate for free along with the soldiers on schedule in the canteen, and if only they had sandwiches and would not have survived until retirement. Although there are enough of those who are not a free state. service!
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 17 November 2017 20: 32
        +1
        Herculesych, you're wrong! I served in the GSVG i.e. it can be said on the first line of defense, and if you knew how many front and rear fat men there were .... and the more stars the more weight.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 17 November 2017 20: 41
          0
          Quote: oldzek
          rear fat men .... and the more stars the more weight

          Zamotyp 90 msd ... a belt of two belts of the third size ... the springs on the UAZ were changed once a month. The overcoat bracelet, an ordinary platoon one and a half turns, was wrapped.
    2. your1970
      your1970 18 November 2017 22: 50
      +2
      Obese (per 100 kg) 1988, the part cropped after the output from Afghanistan:
      Regiment commander, Lieutenant Colonel Montenegro - more than 100 kg, BUT ... heavyweight boxing champion in SKA, 58 Afghan woman was tightly wrapped ... Two times fell under a fist (hit from the chest) - the whole guard was through one: a dream , shooting, they left their post to bask for a sorting .... there was a feeling - that they hit a log, ears were laying in flight .. I can’t even imagine what would happen if he had kicked in a big way?
      Boo and AR - our battalion commander, weaker, weighed more than 100
      KD-1 (2S3) and battalion commander -2 - two officers
      KD-2 (D-1) and 2 battalion commanders - 3 officers
      KD-3 (D-30) - not a single
      KD-4 ReADN (Grad) - 5 people (all available officers)
      OPTAD (BS-3) - 1 person (out of 5 officers)
      warrant officers - pieces 6
      there were about 50 officers / warrant officers in the regiment, of which 17 were overweight
      TOTAL third !!!
      so don’t - for the whole Soviet army, don’t ...

      nachprod(180 cm tall), captain, walked in Afghan 42 (!!!!!!) size- and she was free to him !! Before taking up duty, the bosses always told him, like, take a couple of cans of stewed meat in your pockets from the warehouse, and then he’ll blow it off the headquarters. He was always offended ....
  7. private person
    private person 17 November 2017 13: 54
    +3
    100 times for this only should affect the command staff with the generals. The fish goes dead from the head.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 17 November 2017 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: private person
      Fish goes out of my head

      excuse for a rotten tail.
      1. private person
        private person 17 November 2017 15: 11
        0
        If not a secret, what degree?
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 17 November 2017 15: 13
          +1
          I have? With growth 178, weight 79. Probably the fifth.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 November 2017 17: 17
            +2
            Quote: colonel
            I have? With growth 178, weight 79. Probably the fifth.

            5-6 kilos must be reset, work ... wink
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 17 November 2017 20: 07
              +1
              Sinful, I love beer. But I will work on the problem (of weight). repeat
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 17 November 2017 20: 30
                +2
                Quote: colonel
                Sinful, I love beer. But I will work on the problem (of weight). repeat

                Better 100 gr. anti-crust (pay attention to which alcohol is required) than a beer bottle. It was beer in the USSR that was brewed now, and there wasn’t any good wine either, it was a wine drink with sweeteners and other nonsense. Although Crimeans will probably be offended. Cahors are even less decent. If you have friends in this business, take an interest in modern technologies. For a military person, it’s important to remember simple truths: endurance training and coordination of movements are important for maintaining shape, and overweight, even the muscle path to myocardial hypertrophy, then heart problems. The closer to 50, the more people feel it. Flexibility of the spine also matters. Stiffness in the morning is the first call to do bodywork. hi
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 17 November 2017 21: 20
                  +1
                  Damn, scare me, I’m already over 50. The spine is bending and the questions of stiffness do not bother (pah, pah, pah). It would not hurt to take up the body, but ... the need to get up at 5. 00 to go to work and hang up at 22.00 in order to get up at 5.00 excite natural laziness with all the consequences. By the term “beer” I understand not what is exhibited in various “markets,” private traders brew a completely edible (in my opinion) product. And unfortunately, you are right about the account of wine. drinks
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 17 November 2017 21: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: colonel
                    Damn, scare me already over 50

                    For 50 you are in great shape at this pace of life. And you can relax in different ways. Can't fall asleep? Make a good face. Are you tired? Joke or pick up a skipping rope, I mean not the one that Ivan Tsarevich has, but a gymnastic, punching bag (not a bag) is an excellent anti-stress agent. Or just pull up 5 times on the horizontal bar changing each time the grip.
                    Remember the special forces movie? What did he do after the battle, when they put all the enemies? They danced. This is also anti-stress. I have a sedentary job in recent years, there is no health on duty at night, and in the afternoon I can wave a saber at the machine. Old children's sports injuries, tons of dragged cement in a construction team and unloaded wagons and barges during student holidays, hypothermia, stress are all now reminiscent of themselves. I have a simple remedy. Under the table are two liter water bottles instead of dumbbells. Every hour 5 minutes of physical education. I made spinal cord CT at work today, a little upset. Even after 70 years, not everyone has this, but I'm only 60. For me, the main medicine is gymnastics, without it the spine will freeze quickly if I go to bed. Pills as a last resort. Movement through pain in my case is the main medicine.
                    1. Colonel
                      Colonel 17 November 2017 22: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: Balu
                      Make a good face.

                      Nda, with a "good face" of the problem is not done. The shells are also a problem, partly because of laziness, partly because of the living conditions (although he served, he always kept the horizontal bar in the apartment). What I absolutely agree with is the need for movement, I prefer to walk, but not to ride. It does not always add up. but try. Instead of dancing, I use books that are in paper, in the electric versions, as well as communicating with a cat - a pretty anti-stress good Health to you, and to us, too. (Third degree, fourth degree, what is it about?) soldier .
                      1. Baloo
                        Baloo 17 November 2017 22: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: colonel
                        Health to you, and to us, too. (Third degree, fourth degree, what is it about?)

                        Thank. And forget about the degree, they won’t put the first one for you, unless you insist strongly. The main thing is health, you stay there laughing drinks
          2. Svarog51
            Svarog51 19 November 2017 23: 46
            +5
            Valery, hi Remember the movie "Order, cross the border" - "This is our habit, comrade sergeant." good
  8. edeligor
    edeligor 17 November 2017 13: 58
    +3
    IV degree of obesity ?! What are you ...?! - "D" - NOT SUITABLE for military service. These things immediately dismiss and away from military uniforms !!! And those who relaxed with the III form - 6 months to put themselves in order, otherwise dosvidos! This is the ARMY etit ...... !!!
  9. Seva100pol
    Seva100pol 17 November 2017 14: 11
    +5
    A real example: one candidate of technical sciences served. Bright head. Part is not infantry is not landing, part is special. Yes, he was obese. So, at first he was physically rotted, then they deprived 400 of the order. And then they fired. With now instead him peppy such an artilleryman. Well tuuupoooooyyyy.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 17 November 2017 14: 27
      0
      So at first he was physically rotted, then 400 was deprived of the order.

      Maybe he didn’t pass physo? And according to the results of the failure of the audit, (physo) is deprived of the bonus? And from grief he himself quit. Or the well-fed to release about the delivery of physo and pay bonuses without taking the test?
    2. BAI
      BAI 17 November 2017 16: 12
      0
      And in military research institutes now they pay more for masters (candidates) of sports than for a scientific degree (if they pay for a degree at all).
  10. bald
    bald 17 November 2017 14: 14
    +6
    In general, among the full ones, there are many military personnel with a smart head - who are worth dozens of thin men and this is true, a witness to that.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 17 November 2017 14: 28
      +2
      among the full, there are many servicemen with the smartest heads - who are worth dozens of thin

      where natural selection rolls - all smart are fat, and fools are thin! lol
      1. bald
        bald 17 November 2017 14: 41
        0
        Against nature, no arguing.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 17 November 2017 15: 39
          +1
          Or maybe still try to combine a smart head and a slender camp? :-) After all, a harmonious person should develop harmoniously: body, soul, intellect.
          1. bald
            bald 17 November 2017 15: 49
            0
            On the one hand, it seems, and on the other, many greats in history (I will not list) suffered from some kind of severe physical handicap, but at the same time had unique brain abilities. Harmony is good - but alas - it is rare among people.
  11. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 17 November 2017 14: 25
    0
    This is wrong, you need to measure all the military and issue an order so that no military gets a body mass index more than the most well-fed
  12. Sergey53
    Sergey53 17 November 2017 14: 26
    0
    It is high time. Some people scored on their physical condition, and they don’t look like a military one.
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 17 November 2017 17: 48
      0
      The physical state of the army is occupied for the first 10 years, and then they slowly move away from sandwiches and pies to retirement.
  13. rotor
    rotor 17 November 2017 14: 39
    0
    And what will happen to those who do not pass the TRP standards? winked
  14. Slovak
    Slovak 17 November 2017 15: 03
    0
    Good idea!
  15. raid14
    raid14 17 November 2017 15: 16
    0
    Another whim of the leadership of the Defense Ministry, military courts will simply overwhelm with lawsuits, will add to the growth of discontent in society.
    Dismiss a soldier, due to non-compliance with the terms of the contract, without a pension with a length of service of more than 10-15 years.
    Paragraphs of Art. 51 of the Federal Law No. 53 when dismissed for health reasons or according to OSH, are not even considered?

    .
  16. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 17 November 2017 15: 36
    +1
    Correct solution! This also applies to the police!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 17 November 2017 16: 30
      0
      This also applies to the police!

      Police do not receive a premium for physo.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 17 November 2017 18: 37
        +1
        But do they go to the police for extra charges? I simply, according to the old Soviet tradition, talk about the militia in which I often served by vocation. Of course I know that I am naive in this. Although of course capitalism is in the yard and people are just stupidly making money.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 17 November 2017 21: 41
          0
          But do they go to the police for extra charges?

          Of course not! But whoever works better should get better, right?
          Physical training is important in the army, so it is stimulated. The police have a different priority.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 08: 52
            +1
            Tell me naive: do not we need physical training say riot police, operas? Is all the police now made up entirely of analysts and IVF? And is it really just a peasant, it doesn’t matter who he is or a soldier, a locksmith or a cook, isn’t he west to go with a belly at 35 years old, like he is 12 months pregnant?
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 18 November 2017 11: 17
              0
              Do not we need physical training say riot police, operas?

              Needed. But they just don’t pay for it.
              not west in xnumx years walk with a belly

              The issue of education. Someone probably can’t take bribes.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 20: 46
                +1
                Oh tempor! Oh more! This is me, to myself ....
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 19 November 2017 23: 53
                  +6
                  Oh tempor! Oh more!
                  good
                  You are right, colleague. Everything flows, everything changes. And times have changed, and mores ... unfortunately.
                  As for the belly, recently I heard a joke:
                  A real man must -
                  Grow belly
                  Plant a liver
                  Build a mother-in-law wink
            2. Cadet
              Cadet 18 November 2017 11: 18
              +1
              Now the opera and the followers are arguing so-why do I need a physical. preparation if I can call a special unit for detention. Question to the police colonel and police lieutenant colonel- how many main units in pm? the answer is why we need it, the riot police must know everything. I am silent about the physical, and the drill there is just forest and firewood)))
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 20 November 2017 00: 10
                +5
                Dmitriy hi Now hemorrhages threaten trackers and operas until they draw up the papers correctly and call the riot police. He was transferred to Rosguard. I have another interesting incident happened. Girls from TSUKS began to complain that they are being shocked by radio stations. I checked the grounding and broke the entire head, until I understood the reason. It’s good that the deputy head of management, my good friend, agreed to help. They drove the girls out, I processed the chairs with an antistatic agent, started them back - the problem disappeared. Silk panties - that's the reason. wink
  17. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 17 November 2017 15: 51
    0
    Well, fake! Chot is this chipboard document without an instance number, but already signed? Yes, and the design of the document itself a bunch of questions =)
    1. japs
      japs 17 November 2017 17: 49
      +5
      This is chipboard! What the hell design. With the current mess, the value of this "document" is less than zero. They will conduct, report and dismiss the unwanted. Thieves will only laugh.
      Bullshit, unfortunately ...
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 18 November 2017 12: 44
        0
        The headquarters culture has not been canceled by anyone. Yes, damn it, simple utilities and then take shape more adequately than THIS.
  18. BAI
    BAI 17 November 2017 15: 57
    0
    So it’s only for the rear. In the sense, they are not in the rear, but the Logistics Services - supply, finance. The rest does not apply (especially to headquarters).
  19. CHSR1961
    CHSR1961 17 November 2017 16: 17
    +1
    More stupid than rewarding for the "physo", in the form that exists at the moment it was not possible to come up with. Modern warfare is not combat training and physo, it is a war of minds. When a clever specialist is not encouraged, unlike his moronic colleague, but well running, this is NONSENSE. Drill training was important during the Roman phalanx for synchronous rebuilding, this determined victory in battle, physical training is important in well-known military units, the task and the life of a soldier depend on it, however, when physical training is of paramount importance for officers who should work head and of this work depends on the conservation of hundreds of thousands of lives of military personnel, it is incomprehensible. Everyone should be a master of their work.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 17 November 2017 16: 30
      0
      More stupid than rewarding for the "physo", in the form that exists at the moment it was not possible to come up with.

      Normal promotion. Just need to add more encouragement for the "brains." That's just the criteria no one worked out.
    2. Dedall
      Dedall 17 November 2017 20: 06
      +1
      Dear, what to do with those warrant officers (majors and other colonels) on whom bulletproof vests do not converge. Or, recently, a captain was dragged to me at the first-aid post, under which the chair broke and broke his ass. Well-fed such a boy was, a kilo under 120 weight. And what kind of mind do these guys have if everything swims with fat.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 17 November 2017 21: 45
        +1
        Well-fed such a boy was, kilo under 120 weight. And what kind of mind do these guys have if everything swims with fat.

        We had such a scout. Hefty redneck, dumbbells effortlessly pulled. I went to tasks from a PC. Then he lost weight, began to weigh 130 kg. Far from it. But if he served in the Moscow Region, then he probably wouldn’t pass the standards, because he couldn’t pull himself up.
  20. tochila
    tochila 17 November 2017 16: 18
    +2
    Fat warrior from the enemy will not run !!!
  21. turbris
    turbris 17 November 2017 16: 54
    +2
    That is why there are no fat ballet dancers and athletes? Because it will affect their pocket and they independently maintain their shape, realizing that otherwise they may part with their work, but these are people under the age of 30-35. And how long have the military been serving? Of course, a differentiated approach is needed both by age and by place of service, there is no need to give this matter to the heads of physical training, and they have recently had too much power. An annual medical examination takes place, parameters of growth, weight and age must be determined that allow you to serve in different positions - you do not correspond, you are given time to work on yourself, it does not work - transfer to another position or dismissal.
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 17 November 2017 17: 53
      0
      Because they have a pension from 30-35 years old! Or chronic gastritis, ulcers and anorexia!
  22. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 17 November 2017 17: 41
    0
    Great initiative. No legs - nefig to climb into the dancers. It looks like a bag with manure, suffering from shortness of breath - you can’t get into warriors / defenders. A small number of negative comments are clearly written by injured fat basses.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 November 2017 00: 24
      +4
      And you in the Ministry of Defense will suggest document flow to be reduced at least in half. And then for each "sneeze" you need to write a piece of paper, and this is the time taken from the horizontal bar or obstacle course. Then the “wounded fat-basses” will become less.
      1. Young_Communist
        Young_Communist 20 November 2017 00: 37
        +1
        Quote: Svarog51
        And you in the Ministry of Defense will suggest document flow to be reduced at least in half. And then for each "sneeze" you need to write a piece of paper, and this is the time taken from the horizontal bar or obstacle course. Then the “wounded fat-basses” will become less.

        Who wants, is looking for opportunities. Who does not want, seeks excuses
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 20 November 2017 01: 04
          +4
          I have something to make excuses for, I'm already in stock. But the order is clearly not finalized. We wanted the best - it turned out as always. This order will do more harm in this form than good. IMHO. I’m not Kassandra, but don’t go to a fortuneteller either, that ensuring the execution of the order is left to chance, this is where the notorious dog is buried. I already wrote that this moment will be used for personal purposes to eliminate objectionable.
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 17 November 2017 18: 30
    0
    and in case of bringing the weight back to normal, the position will be returned ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 20 November 2017 08: 23
      0
      they’ll catch up and return 2 more times ...
  24. Dedall
    Dedall 17 November 2017 20: 00
    +2
    According to the "Guidelines for medical support in units and warships of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation," in-depth medical examinations should be carried out for military personnel in the 4th quarter. Most likely, it was precisely at this time that the signing of this order was timed. But I can say with certainty that most of all are "fat", in the most literal sense of the word, among colonels and generals. For them, even the delivery of standards for physical training is carried out separately from their subordinates. So they decided to simply cut someone for this business.
    1. turbris
      turbris 18 November 2017 11: 37
      +1
      Not everything is so simple, I know my former commander, so he is a master of sports in military triathlon, in his youth he competed and won prizes, but became a lieutenant general and, of course, grew fat with age. Athletes know who is involved in sports seriously, with age, after leaving the sport, they have to constantly struggle with excess weight. Therefore, each should have an individual approach, and colonels and generals cannot compete with their subordinates, at least because of the difference in age.
  25. akribos
    akribos 17 November 2017 20: 18
    +2
    First of all, it is necessary to fight stupidity, and not obesity in the army. Commander, must be smart and not necessarily skinny!
  26. zloybond
    zloybond 17 November 2017 20: 19
    0
    they would have polished them. And then some barely crawl. We have to buy expensive SUVs and Mercedes for them. in our Lada no longer intermeddle.
    1. turbris
      turbris 18 November 2017 20: 37
      0
      Well, it’s ugly to call them that, no matter what they are, but people who call them when they threaten their lives. Do not forget that our people serve in the police, not foreigners, and they did not deserve such an insult, so first think and then write, you get the other way around.
  27. stolz
    stolz 17 November 2017 21: 36
    0
    Quote: stas
    The document deals with the rear units.
    In general, then invite all the fat to pass the test for physical training and do not need medical commissions.

    But don’t you know that while a fat one dries up, a thin one dies?
  28. Yuri Simonov
    Yuri Simonov 17 November 2017 21: 43
    +1
    Finally!
  29. Bare
    Bare 17 November 2017 23: 01
    0
    With a real officer, even in retirement, everything is imprisoned for combat use.
    The minister does the right thing, only at headquarters it is also necessary to work with this.
    The main motto of the commander - do as I do!
    1. turbris
      turbris 18 November 2017 20: 41
      +1
      Here is another Chapai found, no need to divide the officers into real and others.
      Quote: akribos
      First of all, we must fight stupidity, not obesity in the army. Commander, must be smart and not necessarily skinny!

      This is what I fully join.
  30. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 18 November 2017 00: 28
    0
    Quote: Jedi
    To which the brigade commander answered him:
    - A running colonel ... causes ... in wartime - a panic.

    And if the offensive?
    Well, there, in the swamp - to run forward, or to cross the English Channel?
    PS. Is he going to attack on a bicycle - through a swamp? :)))
  31. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 18 November 2017 07: 11
    0
    How does obesity interfere with staffing? Or even command of troops at the operational-strategic level?
  32. iouris
    iouris 18 November 2017 12: 27
    0
    This is a reduction in the armed forces.
  33. ver_
    ver_ 19 November 2017 05: 24
    0
    Quote: Logall
    Right! It would also affect the police ...
    If you barely walk, breathing through it once, then how to protect your homeland ...?
    And law enforcement?

    ..that they are swollen from hunger ..
  34. ver_
    ver_ 19 November 2017 05: 26
    0
    Quote: akribos
    First of all, it is necessary to fight stupidity, and not obesity in the army. Commander, must be smart and not necessarily skinny!

    ..and they have willpower? ..
  35. ver_
    ver_ 19 November 2017 05: 29
    0
    Quote: tochila
    Fat warrior from the enemy will not run !!!

    ..naturally - raise his hands up ..
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 November 2017 01: 28
      +4
      Gee! laughing No, he will crush the enemy good
  36. ver_
    ver_ 19 November 2017 05: 36
    +1
    Quote: CHSR1961
    More stupid than rewarding for the "physo", in the form that exists at the moment it was not possible to come up with. Modern warfare is not combat training and physo, it is a war of minds. When a clever specialist is not encouraged, unlike his moronic colleague, but well running, this is NONSENSE. Drill training was important during the Roman phalanx for synchronous rebuilding, this determined victory in battle, physical training is important in well-known military units, the task and the life of a soldier depend on it, however, when physical training is of paramount importance for officers who should work head and of this work depends on the conservation of hundreds of thousands of lives of military personnel, it is incomprehensible. Everyone should be a master of their work.

    ..if a man’s waist size is greater than the volume of the hips - this is obesity of the internal organs - this is harm to the body - the person is not healthy ..
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 November 2017 01: 39
      +5
      Both the Ministry of Defense and law enforcement agencies have their own medical units. If a person is accepted into the service, in any case, he passed a medical examination. Obesity obtained during the course of service should be taken into account at the medical examination and subjected to treatment, in one form or another. And now people will simply be thrown out as unnecessary material, no matter what. Is this fair? The order has not been finalized and in this form it will do more harm than good. He simply removes responsibility from those who are obliged to monitor this and transfers it to the perpetrators themselves.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 25 November 2017 08: 56
        +1
        ..and if he does not want to be cured? If you gnaw at night looking and night raids to the refrigerator still suits ..
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 25 November 2017 14: 23
          +5
          If you gnaw at night looking and night raids to the refrigerator still suits ..

          I do so, even a belly more or less solid did not grow. Maybe me - back to service?
          1. ver_
            ver_ 26 November 2017 17: 30
            +1
            ... so - not a horse oats ..
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 November 2017 23: 26
              +5
              So not so and so not that way. tongue Okay, I’m going to hunt with the fridge from grief, my daughter put smoked mackerel there for bait. drinks