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About the Great Russian Smoke Screen

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But if you are an up-and-coming fanatic, you can continue shouting “Collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!". By this, you unwittingly work to support the EPRS, so we do not mind.


About the Great Russian Smoke Screen


Keep calm and believe in Russia.

When I write about the Russian Federation, I have several advantages over “local” experts.

Firstly, I have not lived in Russia continuously all these years, and since 1987, I have come here periodically, so I saw all the changes especially distinctly, discretely. Unlike Russian experts, who, like the toad from the parable, which is cooked slowly, were cooked in it continuously. Therefore, my eyes are not zamylen.

Secondly, I am not a member of any party or movement, so I do not have to comply with certain group norms, behavioral or ideological.

Thirdly, contrary to the rumors spread about me, I do not work for anyone, I have independent sources of income, which allows me to be as independent as possible in my judgments.

Which, for its part, gives rise to some difficulties, because I have no “sponsors” or “hairy paws” who would promote me to television or mainstream media. But I'm not complaining, because I can remain myself, which is more valuable to me.

So, after such a long introduction, I want to summarize some of my observations of the Russian reality (to perceive them or not is a personal matter for everyone):
1. Several of my trips to Russia after 1998, I see that every time she is prettier. In 1993 and 1998, these were gangsters on the “geldings” and “boomers”, casinos, tasteless neon advertisements, prostitutes sticking right on the streets, poverty, alcoholism and crime in the suburbs. With each subsequent trip to Russia, the situation changed dramatically for the better.

And by 2008, everything changed dramatically - it was "heaven and earth." If in 1998 I read the same Kalashnikov-Kucherenko about the “rusty pipe” and “resource colony”, then when I read the same thing from him for the last few years, then it caused only bewilderment and outright pity - the person was mentally stuck in the nineties and more and more away from reality (like many other representatives of the same party, who could not escape from the once laid ideological rut).

2. The impression of a man who came from Ukraine: the Russians zazhralis. Here is the part that is forever unhappy with everyone and whines endlessly - exactly. And in real life, electronic queues are everywhere, automation of all bureaucratic processes, a person receives all the papers he needs practically without contact with officials, quickly, efficiently and politely (except for the FMS, there was a mess, but there are also reforms).

The courts work, the police are polite and correct, the state machine works like a well-established clock. There is work, salaries are several times higher than Ukrainian ones. Personally, I know a number of engineers who receive thousands of 100-150. The “highly paid engineer” in Ukraine was an unfunny joke even before euromaidan, to say nothing of today's realities.

Again, straight lines with the president, after which all the voiced problems are magically solved - this is wonderful. From feedback and control, it is also necessary to note the tremendous work that ONF is doing (and which for some reason is completely not covered by the media). They have a lot of projects to track various issues, starting with holes on the roads and late payment of salaries and ending with environmental monitoring. And this is not window dressing, but people vpahivayut black.

3. Well, the main point for which the article was started: in Russia everything is not as it seems.

I tried not to develop this topic, because then she and the “Great Russian Smoke Curtain” (VRZH), but once Khazin had already publicly voiced, then apparently I can.

Well, maybe not all, but very much. Examples of mass.

3.1. The economy is of a “crisis” type, but foreign exchange reserves are steadily growing.

3.2. “No money,” but two weeks after this phrase, pensions are raised.

3.3. “There is little investment,” but across the country there are a lot of infrastructure construction projects — roads, power stations. The foundation for the technological leap is clearly laid (if you are not in the know, then each subsequent technological pattern requires more and more energy, without exceptions). And on TV about these sites are not particularly spread.

3.4. “Serdyukov is a corrupt bureaucrat,” but the foundation for a qualitative increase in the combat capability of the army was laid under him. For which Comrade Taburetkin deservedly received an order.

3.5. In words, the government speaks about privatization, but in fact there is a soft nationalization and the share of state property in the economy is growing rapidly (I have already written three articles with proofs to whom this is not enough - these are his personal problems).

3.6. Officials lament at Putin’s meetings that “nonmarket pricing” is in the gas sphere. What Putin has to tear them off and with pressure in his voice to declare "everything is market-based." Look what you think, tell the truth!

3.7. When sanctions were imposed against Russia, it suddenly turned out that the government had two reserve funds, in the accounts of which “only” two hundred billion dollars. For some reason, no one asked the question "Where did they come from?". They just came out of thin air, and no one (except me, but I kept silent) was not surprised.

And how many more such funds are there, about which nobody knows? I have suspicions, but I may not know about everyone.

Remember how in the "Crown of the Russian Empire"? “You ask me how many exits there are from the catacombs by the sea? Fima knows five, I am twelve, and my dad, who is frying pigs there, is eighty-six. ” So here it is.

3.8. When investments were needed in the extraction of nickel, then Glencore acted as a foreign investor. Guard-patriots, this is very outraged ("Homeland is sold" and other crying Yaroslavna on the training manual). But I remember very well that the “Swiss” company “Glencore” founded the KGB of the USSR to circumvent the previous US sanctions - through it they bought mining equipment and other equipment for Soviet enterprises.

And after the collapse of the USSR, it remained “gebist”. So the “bloody gebnya” simply transferred money from pocket to pocket, returning a little finance home.

You can talk about “Glencore” because Americans have long been aware of (and at one time they were pursuing, but without success, its formal / fictitious owners). And how many such offices, founded by the KGB of the USSR, are there besides her? See above for exits from the catacombs.

3.9. A professional auditor asked Khazin where the money came from for all these construction projects that go all over Russia? To which Comrade Khazin replied that "Do you think that Olympic facilities really cost so much?"

In the film “Independence Day,” when the American president is shown an underground base on which aliens are being investigated, he asks, “What kind of money has it been built on?”. They answer him, “Do you really think that in the army a toilet bowl costs 10 thousand dollars?”. In America it is in the film, but in Russia it is in reality.

3.10. And we should not forget that Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, and the rest of the so-called “Lake” cooperative are professional intelligence officers, specialists from the C of the USSR KGB (lines “L” and “H”). They are trained to act illegally, to confuse the enemy and to pretend not to be who they really are. For example, they can pretend to be oligarchs or corrupt officials.

Forms of resistance to occupation can be very different. In one of Heinlein's novels, it was proposed to create a special church institute to cover up the Resistance movement.

In general, I have the impression that those who came up with the Great Russian Smoke Curtain (or whatever they call it) got a good classical education and read a series of Paul Anderson's novels about midshipman Flendry and Keith Laumer's Space Sharper.

In conclusion, I would like to recall another scene from the film, this time from “Casanova”. There, the Supreme Inquisitor, having first seen a balloon, begins to shout "Sorcery!". To which his assistant first tries to explain that “This is just hot air, heating up, becomes light and rises upwards”, but then he sees the dull twisted face of his boss, abruptly breaks off himself and agrees “Sorcery!”.

So I lazily explain that what is actually happening is many years ago a operation designed by a number of KGB officers of the USSR to intercept power from the Yeltsin occupation administration and the subsequent tricks of the Americans leading to the restoration of Russia's sovereignty, including a careful revival and development of the defense potential, economic self-sufficiency and ideological discrediting of “Western values”.

But if you are an up-and-coming fanatic, you can continue shouting “Collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!". By this, you unwittingly work to support the EPRS, so we do not mind.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 18 November 2017 06: 02
    +9
    It’s been a long time since Rogers was visible. On the whole, one can agree. But only comparisons with Ukraine are somehow incorrect. Why compare with what generally is not.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 November 2017 09: 10
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      In general, you can agree.
      only that, yes, Russia is moving forward.
      But the existence of secret reserve funds, the deserving order of Taburetkin, the lower cost of Olympic facilities and other tricky moves are nonsense! lol
      If they openly steal from public and visible objects ("the same East), then WHAT would happen from" closed "funds? fool
      All over the world, only transparency ensures a more or less honest spending of state money.
      As for the stool, the author would have calculated how MUCH money Shoigu is spending today on restoring what he has destroyed.
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 18 November 2017 09: 34
        16
        Quote: Olgovich
        Honor of the Order of Taburetkin,

        Serdyukov really deserved the order, I saw what the army turned into with him, everyone saw it in Crimea — it's fantastic.
        The attack on Serdyukov is organized by enemies, offended generals from whom he took the money and brainless victims pick up. And for the enemies it’s a run over Putin, one of the few holes where they can get into the camp of the patriots.
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 18 November 2017 16: 08
          +3
          Quote: ando_bor
          Serdyukov really deserved the order, I saw what the army turned into with him, everyone saw it in Crimea — it's fantastic.

          If he is as good as you say, then why is this "genius" removed from office?
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 18 November 2017 20: 20
            +3
            Quote: SERGUS
            If he is as good as you say, then why is this "genius" removed from office?

            Serdyukov special. on financial flows, the main thing he did was to take money from the generals, transfer them to one button, where you can put things in order by planting three aunts, and hundreds and thousands of generals and colonels through whom army money used to go, you can’t transfer and don’t transfer them, they they also serve.
            - Putin ordered him the general mafia, he fulfilled the order, and they fired him, Putin must cover up, which he does.
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 18 November 2017 21: 32
              +3
              Quote: ando_bor
              Serdyukov special. on financial flows

              That's for sure, special. masterfully distributed flows, and I did not forget about myself laughing
              1. S-kerrigan
                S-kerrigan 21 November 2017 10: 05
                +1
                I didn’t forget about myself

                Commission for the provision of services;)
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 18 November 2017 09: 43
        19
        The author made one fatal mistake: it is forbidden to publish such articles praising Putin and Russia under his rule on the eve of the presidential election. They’ll spit it out. As can be seen from the comments on the article. Now, if he wrote that everything in Russia is bad and Putin is a tyrant and he needs to leave, then the comments on the article would be full of positive comments. But in general, a lot of truth is written in the article, only some do not want to recognize it. And in this non-recognition, everyone has their own reasons, but this is not the main thing. The main thing is that people screaming against Putin put their well-being in the first place, but not the well-being of Russia. They just need to understand: there will be no strong independent Russia, there will be no happy life for ordinary people in this country. The oligarchs do not count - these will be profitable in any Russia.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 November 2017 10: 03
          +2
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          such articles praising Putin and Russia under his rule cannot be placed on the eve of the presidential election

          Do you think all presidential candidates need to be blamed or are there any special ones? laughing
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 18 November 2017 10: 16
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you think all presidential candidates need to be blamed or are there any special ones?

            In my comment, we are talking about the advisability of the author posting the article before the election, and not about whether or not candidates can be found faulty:
            The author made one fatal mistake: it is forbidden to publish such articles praising Putin and Russia under his rule on the eve of the presidential election. They’ll spit it out.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 18 November 2017 10: 26
              +2
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              They’ll spit it out.

              They’ll go all out for diapers anyway. You mean not to give anything good at all, and how then will he win? No matter how. So it turns out that you are also from a pack of camels, but only in the role of passive ones. laughing
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 18 November 2017 11: 36
                10
                Quote: Boris55
                So it turns out that you are also from a pack of camels, but only in the role of passive ones.

                You are mistaken! I personally stand for Putin throughout his reign and strongly support him here on the site. And shouting “urya” is now too late, because it is just before the election that my voice in support of the president will be drowned in a flood of lies and attacks on him. The State Department is working properly and especially before the election. But our president does not need advertising: just compare Russia to Putin and with him.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 18 November 2017 12: 17
                  0
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  And shouting “urya” is now too late, because it is just before the election that my voice in support of the president will sink in the floods of lies and attacks on him.

                  In my opinion you contradict yourself. In the beginning you say screaming "urya" now it's too late and right there what your voice will sink in streams of lies and attacks. So how does he not drown if it’s too late? laughing
                  Quote: СРЦ П-15
                  And our president does not need advertising:

                  You are mistaken. If young people leave only the "Echo of Moscow" and don't give (what are you calling for - it's too late) of alternative information, it is not difficult to predict who they will vote for.
                  So it turns out that in words you are for Putin, but in fact - against him.
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 18 November 2017 14: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: Boris55
                    So it turns out that in words you are for Putin, but in fact - against him.

                    In fact, I am against such demagogues like you!
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 18 November 2017 16: 01
                      0
                      Quote: SRC P-15
                      In fact, I am against such demagogues like you!

                      It's a shame, huh? And if you think about it?
        2. ando_bor
          ando_bor 18 November 2017 10: 55
          10
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          such articles praising Putin and Russia during his reign cannot be placed on the eve of the presidential election

          In the conditions of a powerful external attack on Russia, when in the comments of quite popular resources such as VO, hired guns and their brainless victims sometimes dominate, I would generally refrain from criticizing the current government, even justified, - they don’t criticize you or you in the war or against us. And what is happening now is a hybrid war, the information front is one of the fields of its battle.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 November 2017 15: 10
            10
            hired Spain and their brainless victims
            as I understand it, about the inhabitants of Russia. Because the current government in the war, then billions will be transferred to America, then in Europe children will be sent to study. So who is the government fighting with?
          2. SERGUS
            SERGUS 18 November 2017 16: 25
            +7
            Quote: ando_bor
            In the face of a powerful external attack on Russia

            Quote: ando_bor
            I would generally refrain from criticizing the current government, even justified

            Yes, yes, yes, we all need to sit quietly and not interfere, as the author of the article, Alexander Rogers, says the agents of the KGB of the USSR portray snickering oligarchs, otherwise the Americans will tell us. laughing Aw, are you crazy? fool
          3. free
            free 18 November 2017 19: 40
            +7
            At the time to ask a question, but our government is not at war with us for an hour?
        3. dauria
          dauria 18 November 2017 11: 28
          12
          But in general, the article says a lot of truth, only some do not want to recognize it


          Major Pronin, go under the pseudonym Abramovich. Legend - you are a billionaire, lead a luxurious lifestyle. Buy Chelsea, a couple of yachts, an islet. Communication channel for radio operator Baturin-Luzhkov. You will receive money for expenses at the box office. Present receipts of expenses upon return. lol
        4. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 18 November 2017 12: 05
          +5
          Quote: SRC P-15
          The author made one fatal mistake: it is forbidden to publish such articles praising Putin and Russia under his rule on the eve of the presidential election. They’ll spit it out. As can be seen from the comments on the article. Now, if he wrote that everything in Russia is bad and Putin is a tyrant and he needs to leave, then the comments on the article would be full of positive comments. But in general, a lot of truth is written in the article, only some do not want to recognize it. And in this non-recognition, everyone has their own reasons, but this is not the main thing. The main thing is that people screaming against Putin put their well-being in the first place, but not the well-being of Russia. They just need to understand: there will be no strong independent Russia, there will be no happy life for ordinary people in this country. The oligarchs do not count - these will be profitable in any Russia.

          Through the eyes of an Israeli living in Russia-with an abundance of shortcomings, you all need to pray for Putin.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 12: 48
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Through the eyes of an Israeli living in Russia-with an abundance of shortcomings, you all need to pray for Putin.

            It’s strange to hear it right away. Is there that a new training manual has come from Mossad? laughing
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 18 November 2017 13: 00
              +8
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              It’s strange to hear it right away. Is there that a new training manual has come from Mossad?

              And here is Mossad, a colleague! My sister goes to all sorts of foreign countries and Putin is very respected there. hi
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 13: 18
                +2
                Quote: 79807420129
                And here is Mossad, a colleague! My sister goes to all sorts of foreign countries and Putin is very respected there.

                Yes, usually the comrades from Israel are very skeptical about everything that happens in Russia. Putin tyrant, economy khan. In general, Russia has been on the right path to perdition, exactly since they moved to Israel. laughing
                And often this is all very well justified with numbers and other arguments and facts in hand. laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 18 November 2017 15: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  And here is Mossad, a colleague! My sister goes to all sorts of foreign countries and Putin is very respected there.

                  Yes, usually the comrades from Israel are very skeptical about everything that happens in Russia. Putin tyrant, economy khan. In general, Russia has been on the right path to perdition, exactly since they moved to Israel. laughing
                  And often this is all very well justified with numbers and other arguments and facts in hand. laughing

                  C'mon, all Israelis directly consider Putin a tyrant and make economic calculations on negative trends in the Russian economy))))
                  The bulk of the promised citizens do not care deeply who rules in Russia, whose Crimea, who heads the Central Bank and Lenin’s political testament ...
                  There are problems in the country.
          2. SERGUS
            SERGUS 18 November 2017 17: 16
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Through the eyes of an Israeli living in Russia-with an abundance of shortcomings, you all need to pray for Putin.

            Comrades, let the Russians decide how to live in Russia, otherwise Ukrainians, Israelis, and others tell us how good it is in Russia. You look tomorrow residents of some sort of banana republic catch up and tell us that we have a paradise. Only if we suddenly start some turning points like the 90s, all these Israelis will go to their homes in Israel and will be watching us from the side on TV.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 18 November 2017 17: 38
              +3
              Quote: SERGUS
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Through the eyes of an Israeli living in Russia-with an abundance of shortcomings, you all need to pray for Putin.

              Comrades, let the Russians decide how to live in Russia, otherwise Ukrainians, Israelis, and others tell us how good it is in Russia. You look tomorrow residents of some sort of banana republic catch up and tell us that we have a paradise. Only if we suddenly start some turning points like the 90s, all these Israelis will go to their homes in Israel and will be watching us from the side on TV.

              At turning points, many Russians who have the opportunity and / or demand abroad will dump abroad. They will relocate their families for sure.
              And some of the Ukrainians, Israelis, Kazakhs and Cameroonians will stay here to chop cabbage at the turn. Which is not safe, but can be beneficial.
              But it is up to the Russians, of course, to decide how Russians live. Who argues - that))).
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 18 November 2017 21: 51
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                In tipping points, many Russians who have the opportunity and / or demand abroad dumped abroad.

                What kind of "many Russians" are these? Oligarchs or what? The vast majority of Russians do not have such an opportunity! stop And then, I think that even if they had such an opportunity, they would still have remained, some non-Russians can and will be dumped, the Russians will not abandon their homeland!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 19 November 2017 01: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  In tipping points, many Russians who have the opportunity and / or demand abroad dumped abroad.

                  What kind of "many Russians" are these? Oligarchs or what? The vast majority of Russians do not have such an opportunity! stop And then, I think that even if they had such an opportunity, they would still have remained, some non-Russians can and will be dumped, the Russians will not abandon their homeland!

                  ))))
                  Do you think that the Russian-speaking inhabitants of London are all Jews? :)
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 21 November 2017 11: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Do you think that the Russian-speaking inhabitants of London are all Jews?

                    I am sure about that !
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 18 November 2017 10: 07
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        As for the stool, the author would have calculated how MUCH money Shoigu is spending today on restoring what he has destroyed.

        Does Shoigu spend something? But I naively thought that he hit a tambourine and the army sparkled with all the brilliance of his new technology. In a blink of an eye, brand-new SSBNs, PAKs, Almaty, S-400, etc. appeared. laughing
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 18 November 2017 17: 52
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          But I naively thought that he hit a tambourine and the army sparkled with all the brilliance of his new technology. In a blink of an eye, brand-new SSBNs, PAKs, Almaty, S-400, etc. appeared.

          But under Serdyukov in an instant the armored vehicles “Lynx” aka IVECO appeared, the mistral almost appeared and yes, the uniform from Yudashkin, something the army lacked so much. As for the armature, S-400, etc., it is not necessary to confuse the army and the military industry the same PAK (SU-57) began to be developed back in 2002, the financing of the project began in 2005, no one knew Serdyukov then!
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 18 November 2017 11: 18
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        All over the world, only transparency ensures a more or less honest spending of state money.

        This is all a linden, honesty does not provide any transparency, but only informs the enemy.
      5. GAF
        GAF 18 November 2017 12: 42
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        But the existence of secret reserve funds, the deserving order of Taburetkin, the lower cost of Olympic facilities and other tricky moves are nonsense!

        Everything was real. The greedy girls under the minister are the most natural. The dismissed generals of the stagnant times, whose main concern was the arrangement of dachas by conscript soldiers, were also real. But there was the formation of battle-worthy brigades instead of legally incompetent divisions, equipping the military-industrial complex with high-tech equipment for the fat money from the oil industry. At the same time, the Zapadloids were convinced that their supplies were "not into the horse’s oats" with such a minister - the destroyer of the army. And two years after the "departure" of the villainous minister, Shoigu modestly declares that in general we have something and are capable of even more. Such a magic wand, waved and ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 November 2017 16: 51
          +4
          Quote: GAF
          Dismissed generals of stagnation, whose main concern was the arrangement of dachas

          Look at the structure of Serdyukov abbreviations - the bulk, these are captains. And the captain is the most workhorse in all military branches.
          Do you want to justify Vova for not putting Serdyukov in prison? wink Will not work. How many closed schools and schools in the country are the sea. But nobody is in a hurry to rediscover them; Shoigu is not up to them. And every year the gap in the shortage of specialists is growing. request
          1. GAF
            GAF 19 November 2017 20: 34
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you want to justify Vova for not putting Serdyukov in prison?

            It has long been said that a tree must be judged by the fruits that it brings. It is not for me to explain to you a multi-star general the difference between a cadre division living in a hangover after the complete collapse of the army in the 90s, from a combat-ready brigade, whose family of officers are also finally provided with housing. For operations in Chechnya, they gathered a string from the world. In 08, in the singular, the previously available SU 34 ended the air defense of the Georgian guards. In the end, what we have now can be compared with what happened. "The history of the winners does not judge." There is still a long way to victory, but there are some successes.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 November 2017 20: 51
              +1
              Quote: GAF
              You a multi-star general

              Lysnul credited! good
              Quote: GAF
              the difference between the cropped division living in a hangover after the complete collapse of the army in the 90s

              Do not judge the combat effectiveness of the army by the 90th. I think the same brigade in a hangover but lack of money would have toiled.
              Quote: GAF
              For operations in Chechnya, they gathered a string from the world.

              The people inside the country were not ready to fight. It’s corny to compare Afghanistan and Chechnya, the difference is obvious. And betrayal at the top at the time of the first Chechen rolls over.
              Quote: GAF
              In 08, in the singular, the previously available SU 34 ended the air defense of the Georgian guards.

              There, it was ABSOLUTELY not the make and model of the aircraft.
              Quote: GAF
              "The history of the winners does not judge." There is still a long way to victory, but there are some successes.

              Yes, both about the winners and about the successes. And about victory - as someone wise said - "the highest victory is victory over oneself." We still have a long way to go to victory inside the country. hi
      6. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 18 November 2017 14: 02
        +2
        All over the world, only transparency ensures a more or less honest spending of state money.[/ b] [b][i] [/ i]
        To earn our defense industry, it was purchased through offshore machines and equipment for more than $ 250 billion. Western intelligence services flashed it because they were sure of the complete collapse of Russia. Taburetkin had the task of selling off the excess property of the Moscow Region and purchasing the necessary equipment through offshore companies. He did, though he didn’t forget about himself. Under Stalin, he would have been awarded for a job well done, and then would have been shot for theft. That would be fair.
        It is impossible to act transparently with our partners and Western "friends", it is life threatening. If equipment purchases were transparent, then sanctions from our “friends” would instantly arise.
      7. AUL
        AUL 18 November 2017 21: 20
        +2
        3. Well, the main point for which the article was started: in Russia everything is not as it seems.
        And this author, who on visits, sometimes, happens in Russia, will tell me, who lives here without a break, how we are doing here? author, drink yadu! (speaking in Albanian).
    2. creak
      creak 18 November 2017 11: 36
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      In general, one can agree. Here are just comparisons with Ukraine that are somehow incorrect

      And why is it necessary to compare with Ukraine, and if compared, for example, with Zimbabwe - that was a contrast ... fellow
    3. ID90
      ID90 18 November 2017 11: 41
      12
      Rogers.
      why then you will not return to Russia, if there is such a Paradise ???
      and better to the province, to the single-industry town.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 November 2017 16: 52
        +2
        Quote: ID90
        and better to the province, to the single-industry town.

        Let him come to Tolyatti - a meeting, a hug. pour even. And arrange a tour. laughing
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 18 November 2017 12: 02
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      It’s been a long time since Rogers was visible. On the whole, one can agree. But only comparisons with Ukraine are somehow incorrect. Why compare with what generally is not.

      About two years ago I went on business to Odessa, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.
      Odessa port is now considered the most corrupt in the world. It used to be some kind of African. In Dnepropetrovsk at Any public parking people came up and asked for a couple of hryvnias for parking. Drove paid because two-meter athletes supervised beggars.
      In Kharkiv, I liked it - a beautiful clean city. When asked a local businessman (average) what has changed since Maidan, he replied:
      Under Yanukovych, as soon as the business began to bring in more than 12 million hryvnias per year, it was immediately squeezed.
      Now this is not so, but after the Maidan FIG you will earn these one million hryvnias per month.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Now this is not so, but after the Maidan FIG you will earn these one million hryvnias per month.

        Something does not take off there democracy with the invisible hand of the market. smile Well, for those who did not skip history at school and did not smoke a history textbook, it was clear how the whole thing would end. Epic failure was a bit predictable. laughing
    5. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 18 November 2017 15: 38
      +3
      210Qu Today, 06:02 Opened to me not knowing the eyes on the truth of our lives. Bravo! Alexander Rogers. wassat
    6. gm9019
      gm9019 22 November 2017 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Long time Rogers was not visible

      Here, yes, but on other resources it flashes constantly.
      The share of state property is growing, you say? Oh well...


      I have the feeling of base agitation, comrades. You can’t do this, they’re not full of idiots here! stop
    7. silver_roman
      silver_roman 23 November 2017 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Here are just comparisons with Ukraine that are somehow incorrect. Why compare with the fact that in general it is not.

      "see the gopher? no? but the gopher is there" ....
      Ukraine is and is waiting in the wings, digesting itself from the inside.
      Now I’ll add a few words from myself, but I can’t help but compare Ukraine and the Russian Federation, although I agree with 210QQ on the account of incorrect comparison.
      Was 2 weeks ago in Moscow travel. I went north to Novy Urengoy ... where a couple of days ago there was a scandal with .... a "strange" schoolboy in the Bundehstag. But this is not about that.
      So, taking a walk around Moscow, looking at everything about everything, I can say the following: in Ukraine, all this is ... yes yes, you heard right, BUT all this is 10-20 times worse ((((. It seems in Kiev 3G Internet, only works through the ass, in Moscow everything is clear, at medium speeds of 20Mbps, but it is EVERYWHERE in the literal sense, the notorious Ukrainian roads are also there, but I won’t even discuss their condition and road and other infrastructure.
      In general, the difference is felt in the little things. I was especially surprised by the prices of domestic airlines. Sorry, but I flew from Moscow to Urengoy for 3500 rubles. I'm fucked up ... From Kiev to Moscow in a smelly Kishinev reserved seat the ticket costs more. I’m silent about the compartment.
      There is only one conclusion: when you compare Ukraine and the Russian Federation, it is better to be silent at all.
      Moscow was very impressed with its services, accessibility, understandability. Everything is somehow logical or something .... True, the budget of Moscow is equal to the budget of Ukraine ....
      And 2 words about Urengoy: COLD)))). That and, apparently, sensible shots there are not delayed. This is felt in the banking sector, in sales, even in IT. A rich city does not even have its own information portal on the Internet. Just take it and do it and get rid of the money by posting ads there. But the people in Urengoy are all in Gazprom and the “penny” from advertising does not interest him))).
      It's hard for me to judge the whole of Russia by 2 cities, but the tales that there are roads only in Moscow are nonsense. From Moscow to the border, everything is VERY good. The billion pillars that shine at night for Ukraine would be a shock. I’m already weaned to ride at night in the light of something, except the moon, the headlights of a car and hopes for a better life lol
      ps I live in Kiev, the icon of Romania, because. with VPN. We are peremogly Russian propaganda services wassat
  2. apro
    apro 18 November 2017 06: 03
    20
    And the men didn’t even know .... but this is yet another cunning plan of Putin !!!!
    Willingly I believe, I myself am so, I can also lie ....
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 18 November 2017 07: 30
      26
      Quote: apro
      Willingly I believe, I myself am so, I can also lie ....

      Yes, the whole country, not only believes, but also applauds in the kitchens, but very, very quietly, so that Western "spies" do not hear about this all-Russian secret! lol But this magnificent thought, Mr. Rogers, apparently gave out after the ganjubas, when he switched to mushrooms: fool
      ... And we must not forget that Putin, and Ivanov, and Naryshkin, and the rest of the members of the so-called “Lake cooperative” are professional intelligence officers, specialists from the “C” department of the KGB of the USSR (“L” and “N” lines) . They are trained to act with illegal methods, to confuse the enemy and pretend not to be who they really are. For example, they can pretend to be oligarchs or corrupt officials ...

      I want to cry as much from the “great feat” of the scout heroes, it’s necessary that the poor and unfortunate ones pretend to be pretending to be oligarchs or corrupt officials, while the rest of the population just pretends to be holodrozhites! laughing I still could not resist ... and for a long, bitter cry ... crying
      1. SERGUS
        SERGUS 18 November 2017 11: 52
        +9
        Quote: Sergey-svs
        But this magnificent thought, Mr. Rogers, apparently gave out after the ganjubas, when he switched to mushrooms

        In my opinion his whole article is some kind of nonsense. "I don’t live in Russia, therefore I know the situation better than you ...", "they snicker in Russia, here in Ukraine ..." yeah, but in general they eat people in the Congo, Russia must be with a strong economy, with a strong army and in general be among the first, otherwise if we look up to Ukraine we may suffer the same fate - they will simply tear us apart, and Mr. Rogers will watch it all from abroad on TV.
        "Serdyukov is corrupt, corrupt," but foundation for a qualitative increase in the combat effectiveness of the army it was laid precisely under him. For this, Comrade Taburetkin deservedly received an order.

        And why, then, Mr. Rogers calls Yeltsin the occupier, he laid the foundation for the development of democracy in Russia, so to speak, the foundation for Putin!
        So I, lazily explain that what is actually happening is many years ago an operation intercepted by a number of KGB officers thought out by the USSR KGB the occupation administration of Yeltsin

        Do not fit like that his words! And Yeltsin has the same well-deserved orders.
        Nobody says that everything is bad with us, but only in order to survive Russia in this world, we must be among the first, otherwise I’ll be torn apart again.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 18 November 2017 07: 51
      0
      SIMPLY LIFE and no sense, only to grandchildren
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 18 November 2017 11: 20
      0
      Quote: apro
      .a this is another cunning Putin plan !!!!

      You apparently forgot how to read. or maybe they didn’t know how, or with the awareness of the information you have a complete seam, they wrote to you Russian in white-a plan of special services, and where did Putin serve?
  3. populist
    populist 18 November 2017 06: 28
    10
    So I, lazily explain that what is actually happening is many years ago an operation conceived by a number of officers of the KGB of the USSR to seize power from the occupation administration of Yeltsin

    People clearly re-read the highlines wink Apparently fiction is harmful literature. Look at how the brain acts. wassat And fantasy too. Case, Tolkien did not mention in the article, otherwise I read the end to the middle.
  4. komvap
    komvap 18 November 2017 06: 30
    13
    hppschek evolution - from the “formidable Russian silence” of 2014 of the year to the “great Russian smoke screen” of 2017.

    it’s not clear why they are openly voiced - suddenly enemy spies read ??? !!!


    1. SPACE
      SPACE 18 November 2017 06: 49
      +1
      Quote: apro
      And the men didn’t even know .... and this is yet another cunning plan of Putin !!!!

      Quote: populist
      People clearly re-read the highlines. Apparently science fiction is harmful literature. Look at how brains act

      Quote: komvap
      hppschek evolution - from the “formidable Russian silence” of 2014 of the year to the “great Russian smoke screen” of 2017.

      The right men, of course, know everything and now, of course, they will correctly explain everything to everyone ...? ;)
  5. Yuri Guliy
    Yuri Guliy 18 November 2017 06: 54
    16
    Quote: "the members of the so-called" Lake "cooperative are professional intelligence agents ... They are trained ... to confuse the enemy and pretend to be not who they really are ... they can pretend to be oligarchs or corrupt officials"
    Afiget pretend to be corrupt ...
    1. komvap
      komvap 18 November 2017 07: 02
      18
      Well, pretending to be billionaire oligarchs is also not bad: - they make such sacrifices !!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 November 2017 08: 23
        11
        Quote: komvap
        Well, pretending to be billionaire oligarchs is also not bad: - they make such sacrifices !!

        Poor Roma Abramovich - how is he, among the adversaries, to observe the interests of the Motherland what crying
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 November 2017 11: 56
          13
          Yeah. Major Deripaska entered the role of an oligarch so much that he even tried to grab a pen from his commander. Ah, the agent’s share is heavy! Unless at a secret meeting you can complain to each other about the conditions of service ... Radio operators are also not easy ...
  6. komvap
    komvap 18 November 2017 06: 58
    +7
    written in 2016, in 2017 even more relevant:
    "... In the spring of 2014, the elites of the Russian Federation received an incredible, undeserved, impossible chance to make amends, write offs, zero all the vile, all the vile, all the ugly and obscene, that was committed in more than two decades. And millions unconsciously realized it, so clearly and distinctly that it took more than two years of the FIRST BRAIN HOUSE to drive this understanding into a coma. "

    and now here: "the great Russian smoke screen."
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 November 2017 07: 03
    24
    Not a “normal” dude began and finished his writings, calling those who disagree with his opinion “stubborn fanatics” ... The rest is his “verbal diarrhea, especially about the“ good ”Cypriot offshore KGB-source“ entrepreneurs ”“ secretly ”“ investing ”in development of the Russian economy, etc., even there is no desire to comment on it. Author! Write "escho" -my reader will read mine too. "
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  9. andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 November 2017 07: 07
    15
    Leonid Brezhnev arrived in the United States on a visit, agreed on everything, that it was necessary to sign, began to wash the case. Brezhnev asked Nixon: "And what money are we going for?" Nixon leads Brezhnev to the window and points to the new bridge and says: “They planned to build it in 3 years, but built it in 2, with this money and a banquet!” Nixon’s return visit to Moscow, yes, again, party. Tut Nixon, in in turn, he is interested in finance. Brezhnev points to the Moscow River: "Do you see the bridge?" “Nooo!”: Nixon was taken aback. “With this money we’re walking!”
    There are vague suspicions that all kinds of shmond backgrounds are formed from unexpectedly “stolen” funds for the construction of cosmodromes, stadiums, aquariums, Sakhalin?
    1. komvap
      komvap 18 November 2017 07: 13
      11
      unfortunately not quite a joke - just walked on the funds received for the "lunar collusion". They sold the birthright for lentil soup.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 18 November 2017 11: 21
        0
        Quote: komvap
        They sold the birthright for lentil soup.

        Birthright is impossible to sell.
        1. ksp
          ksp 18 November 2017 11: 24
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: komvap
          They sold the birthright for lentil soup.

          Birthright is impossible to sell.

          Famous story.
          Esau, Esau (Hebrew עֵשָׂו [Esav, ʿĒśāw] - hairy; Greek Ἡσαῦ; Gen. 25:25, cf. 27: 16,23) - the son of Isaac and Rebekah, older than his twin Jacob; he sold his birthright for his lentil soup to his brother Jacob. The red lentils used to make the stew gave him a new name, Edom, that is, red (Gen. 25:30; Heb. 12:16).

          Genesis describes Esau, Isaac’s beloved son, as a skilled hunter, “a man of the fields,” as opposed to Rebekah’s favorite, the meek Jacob, “living in the tents” (Genesis 25:27); his wives were the Canaanites of Ada and Olivem, as well as the daughter of Ishmael Vashemath (26:34; 36: 2-4). Thanks to the cunning of Rebekah, he lost the blessing of his father (27). After that, he pursued his brother with anger until they met near Penuel and reconciled (33). Esau is the ancestor of the Edomites (Edom; 36: 1-8).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 18 November 2017 11: 29
            +2
            Quote: ksp
            Famous story.

            To cite Jewish mythology as an argument? Dear you are in your mind? Skull brain does not shake?
            1. ksp
              ksp 18 November 2017 11: 35
              +7
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: ksp
              Famous story.

              To cite Jewish mythology as an argument? Dear you are in your mind? Skull brain does not shake?

              And the whole story is a mythology in one form or another.
              Starting from the Bible, the myths of ancient Greece, Rome, well, to the Word of Igor's Regiment.
              Myths are closely intertwined with history.
              And from this words you will not throw out
              The Bible (one of what you called Jewish myths) - and yet they believe laughing
              And as they believe.
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                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 18 November 2017 12: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: ksp
                    Are you 100% sure that no one has ever sold the birthright in the history of mankind?

                    Birthright is a fait accompli, if any. How can you change what has already happened?
                    Quote: ksp
                    are you like that in one fell swoop called fools of all people who believe in God?

                    Oh you gods you are mine, what are the global personalities here who love to generalize everything. I so called in one fell swoop those who believe in church, scientific, or any other propaganda.
                    Quote: ksp
                    Have you never been to church yourself? Didn’t paint eggs for Easter? Didn’t swim in the hole?

                    I can’t call myself an atheist, but I am very negative towards the church, but since I live in Russia, I am less negative towards the Russian Orthodox than any other.
                    Quote: ksp
                    Something seems to me that yap, you are my friend.

                    Mutually ... my friend.
                    Quote: ksp
                    You remind me of vegans, with their obstinate confidence in them and only their rightness.

                    Everyone has the right to persist in their delusions.
                    1. andrewkor
                      andrewkor 18 November 2017 12: 35
                      0
                      So I muddied the discussion!
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 18 November 2017 13: 08
                        +7
                        Kissinger, by the way, said that Brezhnev, as a politician, was nothing, but as a driver, he was an ace. And when Brezhnev put Nixon in a car in America, Kissinger hid trivially (before that, Leonid Ilyich rolled him in Moscow). wink
                    2. ksp
                      ksp 18 November 2017 13: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Birthright is a fait accompli, if any. How can you change what has already happened?

                      birthright is the right of inheritance (as the first - elder) --- and only this.
                      As the eldest son of the king (as an example) - so returning to what has already been written - are you sure that no one has ever sold the birthright, that is, the right of first inheritance?

                      Quote: Setrac
                      I so called in one fell swoop those who believe in church, scientific, or any other propaganda.

                      scientific propaganda? What do you mean ?
                      for some, the multiplication table is propaganda.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      I can't call myself atheistm, however, I have a very negative attitude towards the church, but since I live in Russia, I am less negative towards the Russian Orthodox than any other.

                      made fun of. laughing Brain rupture.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 18 November 2017 13: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: ksp
                        scientific propaganda? What do you mean ?

                        In this case, we are referring to such a “science” as history, which is essentially not a science, but a propaganda tool.
                        Quote: ksp
                        made fun of. Brain rupture.

                        Did you like it? I did my best.
  10. kepmor
    kepmor 18 November 2017 07: 17
    22
    the closer the tsar’s election to the throne, the more and more they will explain to us - how lucky we are in this life .... how good it is to live in a Russian country ... what kind of bureaucrats and oligarchs we have ... how the whole people "get rich" with them ...
    Well, thank you, Rogers ... reassured us ...
    and then they began to doubt that the king ... is not real ....
    and it’s how it goes ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 November 2017 22: 55
      +4
      Quote: kepmor
      the election of the king to the throne,

      Well, actually the monarchy is the hereditary power ... It’s more about Father But.
      I am about Putin. In life, I was lucky to listen to him in an informal setting, in the circle of naval officers. The conversation was frank. I remember they asked him a question why changes are taking place so slowly in our country. VV then answered: It is easy in Europe, because the countries there are toy. And our country is huge and it is very difficult to turn on the right course. But we will slowly, but surely deploy it in the right direction.
      I still remembered his palm, tight and strong ... And the way he said at the end - only among sailors you can relax without politeness ... It was already in the distant 2000 year, but it was remembered forever.
      I personally believe in GDP, because he was born like an officer, in the KGB of the USSR, and there the selection was worse than the "passage to PARADISE" through the eye of a needle for sinners. And then, no one canceled: "The input is the ruble, the output is two!" Doubters would like to say:
      "Climb to the sky,
      Dive into the depths of the sea
      We were born on time,
      Wherever we are, Russia is with us. "
  11. Nix1986
    Nix1986 18 November 2017 07: 54
    21
    I never thought that I would see the writings of a person in delirium on this site, you’re already being treated, even if you pass Charcot’s soul. P.S. dude, Moscow is not the whole of Russia, and even 100-150 percent of engineers in Moscow receive 10-15 percent.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 18 November 2017 20: 11
      +1
      Quote: Nix1986
      I never thought that I would see the writings of a person in delirium on this site, you’re already being treated, even if you pass Charcot’s soul. P.S. dude, Moscow is not the whole of Russia, and even 100-150 percent of engineers in Moscow receive 10-15 percent.

      I am a surveyor engineer. I live in Yekaterinburg, I work in the North. Three years ago, I thought that less than 200k per month, in my industry, it's dumb. Now it’s worse, of course, but still ...
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 19 November 2017 08: 14
        +2
        I can give you a bunch of examples of acquaintances — nuclear physicists, physicians, materials scientists from Mai, who had a maximum of 70-90 proposals, after moving abroad the calico was very different. You work in the extractive industry, on the needle of which we are sitting, so yours and yours is logical, but this is a maximum of 15-20% of the profession, which I mentioned.
  12. Odysseus
    Odysseus 18 November 2017 07: 58
    21
    Yeah licked so licked so laughing Well done, the deflection is protected ...
    For example, the outflow of capital from Russia in 2013-2016 alone, according to official statistics, amounted to $ 290 billion.
    The number of requests for the purchase of foreign real estate from citizens of the Russian Federation for 10 months of 2017 doubled (compared with 2016) with an average check of 4 million euros (for comparison, the average salary in the Saratov region is 23,9 thousand rubles, pension is 11,8 )
    But all this is certainly a cunning plan of the KGB of the USSR ... And the oligarchs are not oligarchs, but our introduced agents abroad
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 18 November 2017 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      Yeah licked so licked so laughing Well done, the deflection is protected ...
      For example, the outflow of capital from Russia in 2013-2016 alone, according to official statistics, amounted to $ 290 billion.
      The number of requests for the purchase of foreign real estate from citizens of the Russian Federation for 10 months of 2017 doubled (compared with 2016) with an average check of 4 million euros (for comparison, the average salary in the Saratov region is 23,9 thousand rubles, pension is 11,8 )
      But all this is certainly a cunning plan of the KGB of the USSR ... And the oligarchs are not oligarchs, but our introduced agents abroad

      If your savings are stored in dollars or euros, it would be wise to buy expensive real estate in Zurich (preferably in Zug) or London.
      When you buy an apartment in Russia for bucks, you don’t know whether or not you flew at the rate and how much this apartment will cost in rubles in five years. If your savings in rubles is another song. In the zero cycle, a builder familiar to you personally.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 18 November 2017 14: 54
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        If your savings are stored in dollars or euros, it would be wise to buy expensive real estate in Zurich (preferably in Zug) or London.

        Thanks for the advice. Now I’ll take out 4 million euros (280 million rubles) from my pocket and go buy. smile
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 18 November 2017 16: 11
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          Quote: Krasnodar
          If your savings are stored in dollars or euros, it would be wise to buy expensive real estate in Zurich (preferably in Zug) or London.

          Thanks for the advice. Now I’ll take out 4 million euros (280 million rubles) from my pocket and go buy. smile

          Well, not necessarily 4 million euros))))
          You can also 100 thousand euros (7 million rubles) a one-room apartment on a university campus in Germany such as Heidelberg - is always in demand - either by students or those who are being treated at a local medical center. From 300 euros per month + all sorts of municipal taxes will be paid to you, and real estate prices there are growing steadily.
          1. Karen
            Karen 18 November 2017 16: 17
            0
            I was told a couple of days ago that in Munich, the prices for kopecks are most stabilized by Arabs and Russians ... From 300t. Tugriks.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 18 November 2017 16: 49
              0
              Quote: Karen
              I was told a couple of days ago that in Munich, the prices for kopecks are most stabilized by Arabs and Russians ... From 300t. Tugriks.

              Munich is a big city, although I think that even there you can find cheaper. I was not interested in Munich real estate, and even lived in Bavaria, but closer to Baden-Württemberg.
  13. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 18 November 2017 08: 06
    13
    The author call the orderlies, he clearly lives in a fictional universe.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 18 November 2017 09: 45
      11
      we have all the power with friends, oligarchs and "servants of the people" lives in a fictional country ....
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2017 08: 29
    12
    Not an article, the song "Everything is good, beautiful marquise ...." Everything is good, beautiful marquise, everything is good. like never before ... But this is all well somehow annoying ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 18 November 2017 09: 00
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      Not an article, the song "Everything is fine marquise ...." But it’s all annoying somehow well ...

      Only the deceased have no drawbacks.
      The fact that they got off the oil needle, about which the crap democrats were so fond of yelling, and now they are keeping quiet in a rag, is solely thanks to the USA that brought down our ruble. laughing
      Heard, heard, heard and still hear a little, but to deny positive results compared with the end of the last century is simply stupid.
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 18 November 2017 09: 39
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        solely thanks to the US that brought down our ruble

        They squandered the ruble themselves, - Putin let slip.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 November 2017 09: 46
          0
          Quote: ando_bor
          They squandered the ruble themselves, - Putin let slip.

          The scout does not speak, the scout "lights up" the enemy.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 18 November 2017 14: 39
        +9
        to deny positive results compared to the end of the last century is simply stupid.
        What do you mean? In the USSR there were no mobile phones, under the kings of computers, and under the princes they wrote with a splinter. When the Union lived well! And now the people for the top are just cattle who dare to ask for something.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 November 2017 15: 38
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          When the Union lived well!

          And where did you divide the time between the USSR and the Russian Federation?
          Part of the territory of the USSR was occupied in the Second World War. In perestroika the whole country was occupied. To compare the economy of developed socialism of the 80's with the recovering economy of Russia after its complete devastation is mockery of sanity.
          Quote: Gardamir
          And now the people for the top are just cattle,

          So why do people with tenacity of better application continue to vote for EP representing bourgeois interests? Why do people vote for capitalism?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 November 2017 16: 09
            +5
            So why does the people with persistence of better application continue to vote for EP representing bourgeois interests?
            maybe that's why "less than 50% of Russians chose the New Duma; in some regions, less than a third of registered voters came to the polling stations." Choosing between liquid and solid poop does it really matter when you want fruits and berries
            And where did you divide the time between the USSR and the Russian Federation?
            in 1991, the USSR was formally still, but already began to command Yeltsin. Or do you want to say that Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev ... are all communists, and Yeltsin is not even familiar with Putin?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 18 November 2017 16: 49
              0
              Quote: Gardamir
              Choosing between liquid and solid poop does it really matter when you want fruits and berries

              A lot can be said about elections without a choice.
              We all go around, or at least they heard about the elections and what means are spent on controlling this scam at polling stations. So you know how your vote was counted? If you know, then how do you prove that this is exactly the case? You can’t. And I can’t. Ballot papers are faceless. And once he got into the ballot box it is not possible to identify him ...
              In our country there is no watered. prisoners who are not persecuted for their political convictions, there is not any discrimination on the basis of party or non-partisan status - so why is the vote secret? I think that it is beneficial only to those in power. To give slaves the illusion of choice without giving a choice.
              This is on the one hand, and on the other.
              Everyone knows that only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker can choose - bakers. It is impossible to entrust the choice of manager to the managerically illiterate people. That is why in our elections there is a competition of leaders, not their programs.
              What is the danger of such a situation for society.
              The elite that has usurped the right to govern and for the sake of its further prosperity does not allow anyone from outside, which leads to its degradation, as a result of which the effectiveness of governance and degradation of the whole society as a whole decreases and, ultimately, to the collapse of the state or the violent change of the elite ( revolution).
              And the favorite question of all indifferent citizens to the fate of the motherland is what to do.
              Just as in 1917, the question of general literacy was acute, today it is also necessary to raise the question of general managerial literacy. Only after that, as the people master the basics of management, it will be possible to introduce personalized ballots with the right to control how everyone’s vote is taken into account at all stages of counting.
              That's where it is so short.
              Quote: Gardamir
              Or do you want to say that Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev .. all communists

              Yes, they were communists. Only some communist Trotskyists, and other Communist Bolsheviks. They had different ideas about the fate of Russia. Some saw her great, others - litter for the owner.
              Quote: Gardamir
              and Yeltsin is not even familiar with Putin?

              And what to do, such is the specifics of the work of the SVR. The seizure of power by the security forces was successful.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 18 November 2017 17: 08
                +5
                Successful seizure of power by security forces
                I agree with all of the above, although I think that not one Kvachkov is a political prisoner.
                The seizure of power by the security forces was successful.
                perhaps you are right, only this power is also not for the people.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 18 November 2017 17: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  only this power is also not for the people.

                  The state is not for the people at all. As Karl Marx said, the state is an apparatus of minority violence over the majority.
                  Regarding this power and its intentions, I will say in the words of Dukalis: "This is our cow and we milk it." Therefore, this power will strive in every way to gain sovereignty. Let them work, but we'll see.
                  That's all for today hi
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 November 2017 20: 41
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          What do you mean? In the USSR there were no mobile phones, under the kings of computers, and under the princes they wrote with a splinter. When the Union lived well!

          Were there cars in the USSR? How many pieces per 1000 people then and now?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 November 2017 21: 53
            +4
            Were there cars in the USSR?
            And how many computers were there under the kings? What you write nonsense, an hour not from the sect of market consumers. The Union was confident in the future, and now you don’t know when and what crisis will be announced. The medicine was free, and now for free only in the clinic they will talk for life. You can continue for a long time. Just remember what measure you measure, and this is measured to you. Now, after all, everyone is actually divided into two camps. For justice or for the oligarchs. Everything else is from the evil one.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 19 November 2017 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              And how many computers were there under the kings?

              That is, cars under the USSR (late))) is the same as computers under the tsars. This characterizes the USSR, however)))
              Quote: Gardamir
              not an hour from the sect of market consumers.

              Do not believe me - I am a Stalinist. That's when there was a balance between the state monopoly and private entrepreneurship (industrial cooperatives, cooperatives, produced almost 6% of gross industrial output, with the cooperatives and industrial cooperatives producing 40% of furniture, 70% of metal utensils, more than a third of all knitwear, almost all children's toys In the business sector, there were about a hundred design bureaus, 22 experimental laboratories and even two research institutes, household plots owned by hectare, etc.)
              “It is necessary to firmly ensure not the mythical“ rational organization ”of the productive forces, but the continuous growth of all social production ... It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve serious cultural growth for members of society without major changes in the current situation of work. It is necessary to radically improve housing conditions and raise real the salary of workers and employees (...) by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods (...) Only after all these preconditions are taken together, it will be possible to hope that labor will turn from a heavy burden into pleasure " I.V. Stalin 1952
              And right after it:
              Household plots were liquidated.
              Industrial cooperation and artels are covered.
              And most importantly - realistic Stalinist idealism (the well-being of citizens, the knowledge of citizens and the consciousness of citizens must grow strictly synchronously) - was replaced by magic idealism, according to which we will organize rationally productive forces - and by 1980 the Great Goal will be achieved!
              In fact, human nature was declared sinful and started to "improve" out of touch with reality, drowning out the natural question "why there are no normal cheap jeans on sale" by Tartuffe’s appeals to Lenin’s Ideals. They made us love honest work not because it brings a fair result - but because "we must strive for the highest."
              This perverted socialism (scoop) led to logical results !.
              If in the place of the worthless Gorbachev there was a figure of the scale of Andropov or Putin, perhaps the reforms would have been successful, as in China, only with a human face (pensions, the prohibition of child labor, the Labor Code, etc.)
              But as always happens with us, at a turning point in history, the helm of power turned out to be insignificance!
              And the late scoop could not exist further in the form in which it was.
              Quote: Gardamir
              Now, after all, everyone is actually divided into two camps. For justice or for the oligarchs. Everything else is from the evil one.

              You are talking nonsense! How old are you to have such youthful maximalism? Or is it from a near mind?
              Quote: Gardamir
              The medicine was free, and now for free only in the clinic they will talk for life.

              I don’t know where you live, but in Yekaterinburg, medicine is free. When there was an epidemic of swine flu, I was completely free, spent 22 days in a hospital (40 hospitals), and I took the medicine, which was 1500 per package in a pharmacy, also completely free. And 4 days in intensive care for free. Droppers every day, fluorography in 3-4 days, concomitant examinations (MRI, ECG, cardiogram ... I won’t remember anything ...) all for nothing, according to the policy. The only thing I didn’t like was the food! See you in the kitchen, along the way. Last year, a umbilical hernia was cut out for a brother - the operation and the hospital week are free. The only thing they charge money for is if you want a separate room.
              So I don’t understand what you mean ...
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 19 November 2017 15: 55
                +1
                artels
                hereinafter I agree.
                You are talking nonsense!
                but here I do not agree. it’s difficult for people to understand, they don’t prove their point of view, but try to attach a shortcut
                medicine is free.
                two years ago my wife got sick. free doctors first found the flu. when the flu did not pass suspiciously for a long time, they decided that the poisoning. In short, it’s good that there was a relative with money, otherwise I would have been a widower.
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 19 November 2017 18: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  two years ago my wife got sick. free doctors first found the flu. when the flu did not pass suspiciously for a long time, they decided that the poisoning. In short, it’s good that there was a relative with money, otherwise I would have been a widower.

                  And I was faced with a diametrically opposite situation _ when paid doctors found a bunch of diseases, just to tear off more grandmas ...
      3. Odysseus
        Odysseus 18 November 2017 15: 02
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        The fact that they got off the oil needle, about which the crap democrats were so fond of yelling, and now they are keeping quiet in a rag

        Eeee, sorry, I have never been a “shit”, but still I can’t understand why raising the share of oil and gas revenues from 30% in 2004 to 40,6 in the first half of 2017 is called “getting off the needle” This is some kind of arithmetic on the contrary.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 November 2017 15: 42
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          why the increase in the share of oil and gas revenues from 30% in 2004 to 40,6

          And on average?
          1. Formed budget of the country for 2018, the share of oil and gas revenues is 30%.
          2. Not using our natural resources is simply stupid.
      4. AUL
        AUL 18 November 2017 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        Heard, heard, heard and still hear a little, but to deny positive results compared with the end of the last century is simply stupid.

        And if you compare with 1860 - so finally get hurt!
  15. free
    free 18 November 2017 08: 36
    11
    A rare nonsense, the realities of Russian author does not know from the word at all.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 18 November 2017 10: 54
      0
      Quote: free
      A rare nonsense, the realities of Russian author does not know from the word at all.

      What kind?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 18 November 2017 12: 43
        +5
        Maybe these?
        1. According to Bloomberg estimates, in addition to Russia (55th place) and the USA (50th), Brazil (54), Azerbaijan (53), Colombia (52) and Jordan (51) were also included in the list of countries with the least effective health care. . The struggle for efficiency (or effectiveness) led to the fact that from 2000 to 2015 there were almost half the number of hospitals in Russia: there were 10,7 thousand, and there were 5,4 thousand, this is the level of the Soviet Union in 1932, the number of hospital beds decreased from 1,67 million to 1,22 million (that's how the efficiency of beds increases if more people are put on them!), and the number of ambulance stations decreased from 3276 to 2561 (a decrease of 22%). and medical staff: if in 2012, according to Rosstat, 703 thousand doctors of all profiles worked in Russia, then 588,3 thousand remained in the past. In Moscow alone, as part of the reform, 28 medical facilities, 10 thousand beds and 10 thousand health workers were reduced. If in 2000 each clinic took an average of 166 people per shift, then in 2015 there were already 208 people. Consider the decrease in the number of doctors, and it will become completely sad. In such conditions, the norm of 10 minutes for patient admission is simply a necessary measure. Naturally, there can be no talk of any quality assistance. Even to the dentist, the recording goes after 20 minutes, if you record through the State Services. The incidence rate and a sharp increase in mortality at home: in 2015 by 5,5% in Russia as a whole, by 72% in Moscow, 75% in the Volgograd region, 153% in the Leningrad region and 161% in the Novgorod region. This is a terrible, absolute cynical and deliberate practice: die at home, we won’t take you to the hospital - spoil the statistics. According to the Accounting Chamber, over the past period of 2017, financing under the Healthcare section of the consolidated budget decreased by an average of 42,9% in 84 out of 85 regions.
        2. As of 2016, statistics on corruption in Russia brought it to 131st place out of 176 countries of the world. In the first quarter of 2017, there was a decrease in economic crimes by 8%. Although, according to international experts, the statistics on the fight against corruption in the country is determined by the hunt for pre-prepared and arranged facilities.

        State structures, evaluating the state of corruption, use the data provided by Rosstat. At all levels of government, there are violations in the field of public procurement - more than 46 thousand in 2014. According to the Prosecutor General, anti-corruption is growing - statistics show a 25% reduction in the number of violations identified. However, compared with 2003, when the annual turnover of the corruption market amounted to almost $ 3 billion, now it exceeds $ 300 billion.
        According to the Federal State Statistics Service, the country's losses from corruption schemes reached 7% of GDP in 2011. Today, according to independent experts, the figure is 25–48% of GDP. The efficiency of the courts and prosecutors. In the first six months of 2016, 150 cases were opened for corruption cases, of which only 14 were brought to court, which does not necessarily equal the number of sentences.
        Among convicted persons, more than 90% of the people are guilty of receiving or giving bribes of up to 1 million rubles. That is, law enforcement agencies selectively respond to the growth of corruption in Russia. Statistics on crimes worth more than a million rubles is only 1,3%.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 November 2017 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          Bloomberg estimates

          Quote: Overlock
          Although, according to international experts

          Quote: Overlock
          Today, independent experts estimate

          There are not enough opinions of the State Department and Echo of Moscow ...
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 19 November 2017 08: 36
            +1
            I do not like? We pass to import substitution - "URALVAGONZAVOD":
            Salary reduction is an attempt to reduce the cost of railcars and tanks produced by the enterprise (UVZ also produces military and special equipment). But at the same time, the idea of ​​the economic senselessness of such a “struggle” does not reach. The staff of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) in 2016 consisted of approximately 30 thousand people. With an average salary of 30,5 thousand rubles per month, the plant’s expenses on the wage fund amounted to 11,1 billion rubles per year. The revenue of the corporation amounted to 93 billion rubles. You do not have to be a great mathematician to calculate the share of the wage fund in the total business of Uralvagonzavod (albeit in ruble terms through RAS) is 12%.
            At the end of 2016, the total debt of Uralvagonzavod amounted to 276 billion rubles (almost three annual revenues!). The second - the plant is designed to produce up to 25-30 thousand units of rolling stock per year (in fact, even more - up to 40 thousand). Whereas in 2015 UVZ produced less than 3 thousand cars of all types, in 2016 - 7,2 thousand cars, and in 2017 it is planned to produce 14,5 thousand (how many of them will be sold is a separate issue). Given that UVZ products are critically dependent on market demand, part of the staff is periodically sent on partially paid holidays. Such a scheme can exist for as long as you like, but it always includes two components: excess staff with relatively low salaries (they pretend that we pay, and we - that we work) and permanent state financial assistance.
            Therefore, an enterprise (even such a large one) is constantly degrading, which translates into a noticeable defective product. For example, in 2006-2011, casting rejects at UVZ amounted to an average of 40-50%, the same thing was repeated in 2016. It came to the point that Russian Railways, one of the important contractors of UVZ, faced with mass defects in casting in the details of freight wagon trolleys, in 2015 demanded the supply of imported castings.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 19 November 2017 11: 35
            +1
            Native:
            The State Duma heard and discussed the report of the Accounts Chamber for 2016. The document on 187 pages and the report of the head of the department, Tatyana Golikova, clearly depicted the alarming picture of the growing inefficiency of state administration: more often the problem is not the lack of money, but the inability to organize their use.
            The total amount of violations and deficiencies identified by auditors last year increased by 87% compared to 2015 and amounted to 965,8 billion rubles. The number of these violations has grown by 11,6%. According to the materials of the checks submitted to the Prosecutor General, 3 times more criminal cases were initiated (45 instead of 15). 8,8 billion rubles were returned to the budget. Among the record holders in terms of violations, the liquidated Federal Space Agency, the Federal Agency for State Property Management and the Federal Agency for Technical Regulation and Metrology. The number of places in kindergartens in 2016 increased by almost 245 thousand, seemingly positive dynamics, continued Tatyana Golikova, but on June 1 In 2017, almost 49 thousand children aged 3 to 7 years were not provided with kindergartens (about 20 thousand of them live in Dagestan), and about 3 thousand children stand in line at the age of 142 years. At the same time, in 2016, the number of kindergartens “having all kinds of amenities” (that is, having a warm toilet, water and heating) decreased by 1,3 thousand: almost two-thirds of them are in the countryside.
            Alexei Didenko (LDPR) asked if there was any hope of improving the situation with the availability of health services. Tatyana Golikova called the question very sensitive: in a number of regions, the optimization of the healthcare system was carried out “thoughtlessly” and did not bring any economic effect. The reduction in the number of doctors and medical workers did not lead to an increase in salary costs from the budget of the Mandatory Medical Insurance Fund: in 2016, this amount decreased by 19%. Moreover, as a result of optimization, the number of visits to doctors decreased by 47 million ...
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 19 November 2017 11: 44
            +1
            domestic again:
            1.INTERFAX.RU - Russia is recognized as one of the worst countries in the world for pensioners, according to the Global Pension Index for 2017.

            So, Russia took 40th place out of 43 in the ranking, only Brazil, Greece and India turned out to be worse.

            When compiling the index on a scale from 0 to 100, a number of parameters were evaluated: pensioners' finances, material security, quality of life and health. The result of Russia is 45% (the ideal country for retirement is taken as 100%), while since last year it has decreased by 1%.
            2. The minimum wage (minimum wage) is only 7,8 thousand rubles. While the cost of living (subsistence level) does not exceed 10 thousand rubles. There are 22 million people in the country with incomes below the subsistence level.
            2. The deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Oleg Shein: “Russia, by the size of the minimum wage, slid last year from 75th to 94th place in the world. The average wage in the country today is two times less than the average wage in the Republic of South Africa, but the minimum wage is less than in Honduras. "
            3. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Olga Golodets.

            MOSCOW, March 14. / TASS /. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Olga Golodets called it a unique phenomenon when Russians remain poor in the presence of work.

            “The poverty that exists and is fixed in the country is the poverty of the working population. This is a unique phenomenon in the social sphere - the working poor.” According to her, “in Russia there is no such qualification that is worthy of a salary level of 7 rubles ( Wage - approx. TASS). " "Even if a person graduated from high school, then after leaving his work should be assessed at a slightly different level. We will have serious discussions on raising the minimum wage," the deputy prime minister said.
            Hope uv. You cannot suspect deputies and members of the government of the Russian Federation in a lie?
          4. Overlock
            Overlock 19 November 2017 11: 53
            +2
            and again about the painful:
            1. Up to 50% of sausages on Russian shelves are counterfeit, experts from Roskontrol and Roskachestvo came to this conclusion. That is, the real composition of sausages and sausages is fundamentally different from what is indicated on the package. Instead of meat, soy, lard, and cartilage are put here, and sometimes simply starch and even cornmeal.
            2.Interfax February 24, 2016 19:25

            The Russian Grain Union explained what caused the use of wheat intended for livestock feed when baking bread. “It is no secret that feed wheat (5th grade) is used for bread production. It is used in the so-called“ bodyguy ”: they use improvers, some volume of 4th grade wheat, they make cheaper and better receive a grinding party, "the president of the Grain Union, Arkady Zlochevsky, told reporters.
            President of the Union of Bakers Anatoly Kosovan- "in active development is a GOST project that allows the use of fifth-grade wheat for the production of baking flour, which does not regulate the main indicators and, above all, protein. The trains come with these improvers, with additives, with different substances, "discoloring or finishing flour, for example, of the second grade in color to flour of the highest grade."
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 November 2017 21: 26
          +1
          “Today, according to independent experts, the figure is 25–48% of GDP” - But this is pure fantasy, it turns out that every second one is corrupt.
  16. urman
    urman 18 November 2017 08: 42
    +5
    The second time I read something like this.
    The first time in the mid-90s, at Chengiz Abdulaev,
    (which is about Drongo), he has a dialogue between our scout and the staff.
    Our tells him why you decided that the cold war ended and you won in it?
    This is just the beginning.
    Judging by the autobiography, the author (Abdulaev) is a real GRU officer awarded the Order of the Owls.
    In general, what the hell is not joking, it is not for nothing that the Americans will be worn out.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 November 2017 09: 10
    +9
    “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

    I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.
    1. free
      free 18 November 2017 14: 12
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

      I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.

      What nonsense are you writing! I live here and will not leave here, not because it’s good / bad, but because it’s my homeland! And the statements that everything is good here and everything looks like crazy nonsense!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 November 2017 16: 29
        0
        Quote: free
        Quote: rotmistr60
        “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

        I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.

        What nonsense are you writing! I live here and will not leave here, not because it’s good / bad, but because it’s my homeland! And the statements that everything is good here and everything looks like crazy nonsense!

        I am very interested in the statements about the homeland that Haram is leaving.
        A Swiss who lives in a very beautiful and democratic country with a chic social network has served in the army (and not only in urgent, but once a year and reservists for ten years), if he receives a favorable offer to work in another country, he goes there without hesitation.
        Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
        The rest is lyrics.
        1. free
          free 18 November 2017 19: 45
          +4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: free
          Quote: rotmistr60
          “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

          I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.

          What nonsense are you writing! I live here and will not leave here, not because it’s good / bad, but because it’s my homeland! And the statements that everything is good here and everything looks like crazy nonsense!

          I am very interested in the statements about the homeland that Haram is leaving.
          A Swiss who lives in a very beautiful and democratic country with a chic social network has served in the army (and not only in urgent, but once a year and reservists for ten years), if he receives a favorable offer to work in another country, he goes there without hesitation.
          Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
          The rest is lyrics.

          Such as you do not have a homeland, therefore, there is nothing to explain to you.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 18 November 2017 20: 00
            +1
            Quote: free
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: free
            Quote: rotmistr60
            “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

            I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.

            What nonsense are you writing! I live here and will not leave here, not because it’s good / bad, but because it’s my homeland! And the statements that everything is good here and everything looks like crazy nonsense!

            I am very interested in the statements about the homeland that Haram is leaving.
            A Swiss who lives in a very beautiful and democratic country with a chic social network has served in the army (and not only in urgent, but once a year and reservists for ten years), if he receives a favorable offer to work in another country, he goes there without hesitation.
            Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
            The rest is lyrics.

            Such as you do not have a homeland, therefore, there is nothing to explain to you.

            Yeah, no homeland)))
            From 97 to 2000 (3 years), I, like myself, made an emergency, from 2001 to 2012 I did a reserve, and my company still pays taxes in Israel.
            I understand that if I sat on my ass exactly at the place of residence, stealing slowly, I would be a patriot. I would work for the good of the motherland :) Getting the bulk of the salary in an envelope.
            1. free
              free 18 November 2017 20: 04
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Quote: free
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Quote: free
              Quote: rotmistr60
              “The collapse! Corruption! Catastrophe!"

              I read the comments and came to the conclusion that just those who adhere to the quotation from the article receive support. But the author is still right. What do you still vegetate in Russia if it is so bad here, but just peep under the nicknames, knowing full well that today you can haul anything and everything.

              What nonsense are you writing! I live here and will not leave here, not because it’s good / bad, but because it’s my homeland! And the statements that everything is good here and everything looks like crazy nonsense!

              I am very interested in the statements about the homeland that Haram is leaving.
              A Swiss who lives in a very beautiful and democratic country with a chic social network has served in the army (and not only in urgent, but once a year and reservists for ten years), if he receives a favorable offer to work in another country, he goes there without hesitation.
              Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
              The rest is lyrics.

              Such as you do not have a homeland, therefore, there is nothing to explain to you.

              Yeah, no homeland)))
              From 97 to 2000 (3 years), I, like myself, made an emergency, from 2001 to 2012 I did a reserve, and my company still pays taxes in Israel.
              I understand that if I sat on my ass exactly at the place of residence, stealing slowly, I would be a patriot. I would work for the good of the motherland :) Getting the bulk of the salary in an envelope.

              No need to make excuses!
              Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
              The rest is lyrics.

              Your !?
              That says it all!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 18 November 2017 22: 28
                0
                In no case do I make excuses :)
                1. free
                  free 19 November 2017 10: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  In no case do I make excuses :)

                  Each man owes his country only military service and taxes. After which he should only care about the welfare and safety of his family.
                  The rest is lyrics.

                  No wonder you are the descendants of Judah, not for nothing!
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 November 2017 14: 34
      +6
      What do you still vegetate in Russia
      Maybe enough already ah !? Let the lovers of the West, whose children are there, leave Russia? All these Shuvalovs, Dvorkovichs, Peskovs, well, and further down the list ...
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 18 November 2017 15: 07
        +7
        Quote: Gardamir
        All these Shuvalovs, Dvorkovichs, Peskovs, well, and further down the list ...

        And where will they earn money then? Your suggestion is pure extremism.
        It’s right to earn money on local suckers, but to buy real estate and send children to the West. And you definitely need to talk about patriotism.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 18 November 2017 15: 33
          +5
          you still need to talk about patriotism.
          that's it

        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 18 November 2017 16: 36
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          Quote: Gardamir
          All these Shuvalovs, Dvorkovichs, Peskovs, well, and further down the list ...

          And where will they earn money then? Your suggestion is pure extremism.
          It’s right to earn money on local suckers, but to buy real estate and send children to the West. And you definitely need to talk about patriotism.

          Teaching children and being treated is a complicated topic.
          I do not want my child to study at a university, where you can (or need, in the sense of extorting) to buy a session.
          And here it’s not only Peskov and Co., in the Russian Federation the bulk of those who can afford it sends children to study abroad (in military schools there is a different picture, but the choice of professions is limited).
          And with the same treatment.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 November 2017 17: 12
            +7
            Teaching children and being treated is a complicated topic.
            I do not agree, and here's why. if you are limited in means, but send your child to study in the West or a sick relative, then this is your choice. But when the government is able to improve education or medicine, but prefers to be treated itself abroad and does nothing to improve the medicine in the country, then why such a government.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 18 November 2017 17: 45
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              Teaching children and being treated is a complicated topic.
              I do not agree, and here's why. if you are limited in means, but send your child to study in the West or a sick relative, then this is your choice. But when the government is able to improve education or medicine, but prefers to be treated itself abroad and does nothing to improve the medicine in the country, then why such a government.

              There is no arguing.
            2. Dedall
              Dedall 18 November 2017 20: 24
              +1
              In this regard, I like the proposal on the TV channel "TVC" to help sick children who pronounce millionaires and billionaires. Moreover, the children are mostly Moscow, and they never regret health care in this town.
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 09: 11
    17
    Alexander, with all due respect to you, the arguments that you wrote are chimera. A cruel joke with you was played by just the fact that you are visiting Russia and do not live here permanently. I can go through the points, I'm just afraid that the forum users will read it for a long time and they will not master the "multibuffer". But believe me, my counterarguments are no less powerful. And let’s say, such as those who criticize the authorities, they do not criticize Russia in general, but specific actions of the authorities that lead to a deterioration in the life of the people. And this criticism is not at the level of panic. And I dare to assure you that there is no curtain, like HPP, in nature!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      I can go through the points, I'm just afraid that the forum users will read it for a long time and they will not master the "multi-book"

      Do not be afraid wink
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      But believe me, my counterarguments are no less powerful

      I would like to make sure that there is no special faith, especially after a quick look at your comments:
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Oh how! Do you think one part of liberalism should arrest another part of liberalism?

      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Bloated public sector? Hardly. Corporation yes! In my amateurish opinion, nevertheless, power is advocated by neoliberalism. This is expressed in the reduction of any state participation + preferences for oligarchs + state withdrawal from its basic functions = current state of Russia.

      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Not sts uncle! If the Communists are now liquid, then the people are not!


      The special depth of thought here somehow ... is visible, you know ...
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      And I dare to assure you that there is no curtain, like HPP, in nature!

      And the gopher, too?

      In short, we wait, with the promised "the points"yeah.
      1. basmach
        basmach 18 November 2017 10: 49
        +8
        I’m not the previous one, and more than once cited figures about “our successes under wise guidance”. Do not consider it work and do not be too lazy to search in my comments. And this is catching up.
        The latest FCS data (November 10) reflect a very negative trend in Russian imports of finished food and agricultural raw materials. The total volume of import of these product groups in January – September of this year increased by at least 15% in comparison with the same period of 2016; the same dynamics persisted in October.
        Let's look at the statistics. To Russia for the I - III quarters of this year 553 thousand tons of meat and meat products were imported (without poultry and products from it), which is almost 24% more than during the same 2016 period. And import of poultry meat and processed products reached 169,2 thousand tons - against , respectively, 157,7 thousand tons.

        In similar proportions, the volume of imports of vegetable oil increased - up to 16,1 thousand tons against 2,9 thousand tons; more fruit delivered by 36,7%; vegetables - by 33,6%; beet and cane sugar - by 30,4%. As well as dairy products - by 27,3%; fish and fish products - by 18,7%; feed crops (mainly corn and legumes) - by almost 6%. But the absolute record was set by the volume of imports of butter: an increase of 78% compared to January-September of 2016, and a minimum of 70% of the volume of imports still falls to non-CIS countries.
        At the same time let me notice. Look at a lot of headlines like "Russia made a revolution in ... (whatever)," adjusted, presented "and so on. But these are headings And then it will be developed, created, etc. That is, in reality there are only vague dreams. 70- 80% of those enterprises that open are primary processing of raw materials (dirty and with a small share of surplus value and on imported equipment), but not the production of the final high-tech product.
        He wrote about agriculture, therefore, briefly. Milk production fell by 10 mln.t per year (palm oil imports increased to almost 900 thousand tons), the number of cattle fell almost 2,5 times, MPC by an order of magnitude. According to the new GOST, grain of 4 and 5 classes (in the USSR it is fodder) goes to bread, grain of 1 and 2 classes is not produced at all. 3 class is mainly exported.
        Impotre of machine-building products, complex fertilizers has grown.
        at short. By the way, after a month of using X-29L missiles in Syria, an infa flashed (here in VO) that the plant, on the basis of their relatives, had switched to work in the 3 shift. After a month of not the most widespread use. And they practically stopped using them. But then went PR-24 PR and how cheap and cheerful it is
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 10: 59
          11
          Quote: basmach
          I’m not the previous one, and more than once I brought tsifirki ...

          Enough, you have already won the contest (s) stop
          Place "as an answer" (to a question that you are not asked, by the way) an unreadable sheet with specifically muddy data - this, you know ... you can see the bird by litter flight.
          Free, write escho. If possible, please, not in this thread yes
          Do not wash, in short.
          1. basmach
            basmach 18 November 2017 11: 07
            +7
            And you learn to read. It helps. Yes, and the FCS is not muddy data. After all, the state structure (the federal customs service, otherwise you suddenly don’t realize it is "very competent"). Yes, by the way, when there is nothing to be said specifically, they become personal. Clearly your case. But there is a folk wisdom- "shut up - you’ll come down for a clever one" And he is not a people.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 11: 18
              +8
              Quote: basmach
              By the way, when there is nothing to say specifically ...

              You will be surprised - there is.
              In your "sheet" there are no dates at all, for example.
              The data of the same FCS look something like this: "for the period such and such decreased by so many (percent, as an option), and here it is - on the contrary, has grown as much".
              Without reference to specific periods, all your calculations are about nothing.
              This is in case the hint has not reached you ... completely transparent, by the way.
              Leave me alone, you are ... uninteresting.
              1. basmach
                basmach 18 November 2017 11: 38
                +9
                Yeah, the site has a new "thought giant father of Russian democracy." Well, I advised reading to study. Well written clearly in the 1-3 quarter of this year compared to 2016. Other data is a comparison with 1990, Apparently your literacy is enough for emoticons. And rudeness is the first sign of limitation
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 11: 53
                  10
                  Quote: basmach
                  Well written clearly in the 1-3 quarter of this year compared to 2016

                  Yes, this is just understandable ... and uninteresting, by the way. Because
                  Quote: basmach
                  January-September of this year increased by at least 15% compared with the same period in 2016

                  15% is within the limits of statistical error laughing
                  Today it has increased, tomorrow it has fallen ... but then this -
                  Quote: basmach
                  Milk production fell by 10 million tons per year (palm oil imports rose to almost 900 thousand tons), the number of cattle fell by almost 2,5 times, cattle by an order of magnitude

                  - this is serious, but it turns out
                  Quote: basmach
                  comparison data since 1990

                  About how belay
                  Just ... And the boys aren’t in the know laughing
                  I repeat: unfasten. Before responding to someone, I definitely look at the opponent’s comments. Just to imagine what a person thinks and how he breathes.
                  You are understandable, and, as I have already told you twice, you are not interested.
                  Topstarter (andrej-shironov), by the way, has already recognized that he has no arguments.
                  In general, you don’t have them either. And to interfere with the data of the last quarter with the data for the 90s - this is, excuse me, cheating.
                  That's something like request
                2. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 20: 49
                  +2
                  Dear Basmach! Do not feed the troll! According to my classification, this is an ordinary troll, not greasy. Respect yourself.
          2. Dedall
            Dedall 18 November 2017 20: 37
            +3
            Dear, why didn’t the Basmach figures please you? I believe that the only bad thing is that no public source is indicated. And so, then it is quite indicative examples. As for the comparison, there was once such an annual - “The USSR in numbers”, so now I haven’t found it in digital form anywhere. It was not otherwise that someone considered the publication of such data ideologically harmful to the current elite.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 21: 19
              +9
              Quote: Dedall
              I believe that the only bad thing is that no public source is specified

              And I think that the fact that the "basmach numbers" have nothing to do with the issue, which, incidentally, was not related to, is bad. basmachwell at all.
              There is a standard trick called "blurring the topic." What a dear basmachWell, it was indicated.
              No more and no less. Exactly so yes
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 November 2017 20: 59
          +2
          Quote: basmach
          According to the new GOST

          What else new GOST? Give a source.
          1. basmach
            basmach 19 November 2017 10: 58
            +2
            Wheat is represented by a wide variety of species - there are more than 20 of them. However, two types of wheat are of practical importance - soft, or ordinary, and hard. In everyday life, when they say "wheat", they mean soft wheat. In our country, both types of wheat are produced. The names "soft" and "hard" are botanical classification terms. Depending on the cultivars and growing conditions, soft wheat grain may have a powdery, semi-glassy or completely glassy consistency, and the surface color may vary from white to dark red. Soft wheat has several species, among which the most common are winter or spring, less often semi-winter. Soft wheat in Russia accounts for more than 95% of all crops of this crop. From soft wheat mainly produce food flour - baking and general purpose. In our country, all varieties of soft wheat in terms of baking dignity, or the strength of flour (the ability of flour to form dough with certain physical properties during cooking), is usually divided into three groups: strong, valuable in quality (medium strength) and weak.
            Strong wheat has a high content and good quality gluten. According to GOST R 52554-2006 “Wheat. Technical conditions ”soft wheat of 1 and 2 classes are referred to it.
            Valuable wheat (3 class) - medium in strength, has good baking properties. From valuable wheat flour, bread is obtained of good quality. It does not need to add strong wheat flour, but it cannot effectively improve weak wheat flour.
            Weak wheat has a low gluten content (below 18%) or has low quality gluten (below group P). Flour from it is characterized by low baking properties.
            The food group includes soft wheat of the 1, 2, 3 and 4 classes according to GOST R 52554-2006, wheat of the 5 class is intended for feed or technical purposes (site of the Black Earth Agricultural Union). According to GOST 31805-2012, the use of general-purpose wheat flour is allowed (together with baking flour)
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 November 2017 21: 31
          +1
          X 29 missiles have a shelf life of 10 years, after its expiration the missile must be disposed of, since the use is dangerous.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 11: 05
        +4
        Feed the troll? :-) I beg of you. Judging by a cursory review of your koments, you are not particularly interested in the arguments of your opponents. You need shortcuts. And the right word, your opinion does not bother me about me, leave it to you. Have you agreed?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 11: 14
          +9
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          Have you agreed?

          Nah ... the promised arguments - in the studio, kammentatar negative
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          Feed the troll? :-) I beg of you

          Broke, break ... bucket (s).
          Which, however, was expected request
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 20: 56
            +2
            :-))) Woo-woo! It does not add courage, when you fight with the weak. In my classification, you are an ordinary, not fatty troll. And by the way, refute as a fact of the absence of Sechin in court to Ulyukaev. As well as the constant races of the golden youth with the laying out of these facts in the network tyrnet. You, the apologist of the oligarchic regime! This one must despise the people so that
            openly trample on the same written laws. But I applaud the authorities, so shit on some brains! You need to be able to do this .. ;-) I could discuss with Alexander Rogers, but with you, fire ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 21: 03
              +8
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              In my classification, you are an ordinary, not fatty troll

              Well, at least one guessed right - and really not fat laughing
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              ... and by the way, refute it as a fact ...

              Orders in the restaurant will be ordered by the Chaldea. Anderstend?
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              You, the apologist for the oligarchic regime

              GYYY laughing laughing laughing
              And then you are a woodpecker ... ordinary ...
              GYYY laughing laughing laughing
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I could have a discussion with Alexander Rogers ...

              I repeat - this is in great doubt. There isn’t enough sleep ...
              And you have to answer for the bazaar, my dear ...
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I can go through the points ... my counterarguments are no less powerful

              And where is all this, let me ask?
              And neta request
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 21: 14
                +1
                ;-) You are angry? In vain dear. By the way, are you not accidentally bullish from the 90s? Just your slang reminds.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 November 2017 21: 02
          +2
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          You are not particularly interested in the arguments of your opponents.

          I am interested in.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 21: 15
            0
            I respect people interested :-) I recommend reading my posts on other branches. There, criticism of the authorities is detailed.
  19. golikov
    golikov 18 November 2017 09: 38
    10
    Wow, you can exhale! There is a tricky plan!
    And if it weren’t for the author, then no one could have revealed these “C” level scouts along the lines of “E, K, L, M, N”.
    Apparently our real cash incomes, which have halved, are actually hidden in smoke.
    Maybe someone knows when the wind will blow and shatter this curtain? And then I want to eat.
  20. Altona
    Altona 18 November 2017 09: 48
    12
    I live in a single-industry town, I work poorly, and they pay a mediocre amount because I work with a relative of relatives. True, there is a movement in the city, for road repair, for housing construction of both high-rise buildings and private choirs. The city is settling down. There is a single-industry town, where the seam is full, desolation and decline, men are completely on guard, women are sitting only in old, concrete, crinkled walls. Such villages are in the Ivanovo and Nizhny Novgorod regions, and even in the Moscow Region not everything is all right, in conditional cashmere-frontiers. But with such an economy and way of life, we will not advance. China offered us a super-fast railroad to build a type of Lisbon-Shanghai, this would be a project to jobs, technology. And so philistinism is something like Black Hundreds with spitting on Lenin and Stalin. And the more they spit, the more they look like germs.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      China offered us a super-fast rail way to build a type of Lisbon-Shanghai

      This is an extremely important project for us. Only here again, not everything is all right. Read about how things are going with the Moscow-Kazan HSR. Most importantly, there is no serious state program for restructuring the economy. Separate projects as patches on holey pants of no systematic nature with an understanding of where and how we will move and what we want.
  21. SPACE
    SPACE 18 November 2017 10: 41
    +2
    Someone who declared Russia the enemy number 1, impose all kinds of sanctions, deceive with electrical tape, Putin calls the oppressor of the whole perverted shit-democratic world.
    Someone considers Putin and the allegarchs to be robbers of capitalist national property and corrupt officials, oppressors of their own people, who are also trying hard at an accelerated pace to plunder and ruin the country, take the money off the hill and dump it to the west.
    True, Russia, despite everything, lives and develops, factories, bridges are built, rockets fly into space, the army strengthens, it’s practically caught up with the USSR in terms of grain, it is growing with land and wealth ... The question is, how? Whereby?
    So it turns out that someone is clearly not very smart ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 18 November 2017 11: 23
      +7
      Well, it would be wrong to say that Russia is "not developing." It develops, only now .... "not thanks", but- "contrary" ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 18 November 2017 11: 41
        +1
        It develops, only now .... "not thanks", but- "contrary" ...

        Medvedev has already said that "the people won the war, and Stalin had nothing to do with it."
        I think it’s more correct to say that Russia is developing contrary to the wishes of the states, but at the same time not quickly, thanks to stupid managers.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 18 November 2017 12: 55
          +1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          It develops, only now .... "not thanks", but- "contrary" ...

          Quote: glory1974
          I think it’s more correct to say ... thanks to the stupid managers.

          Well, actually in the last paragraph, I had something in mind about this)))
  22. Overlock
    Overlock 18 November 2017 12: 27
    +5
    Quote: ando_bor
    The attack on Serdyukov is organized by enemies, offended generals from whom he took the money and brainless victims pick up.

    i.e., do you deny financial abuse of Serdyukov & Co.?
  23. maxim1987
    maxim1987 18 November 2017 12: 43
    +2
    And by 2008, everything changed dramatically - it was "heaven and earth." If in 1998 I read the same Kalashnikov-Kucherenko about the “rusty pipe” and “resource colony”, then when I read the same thing from him for the last few years, then it caused only bewilderment and outright pity - the person was mentally stuck in the nineties and more and more away from reality (like many other representatives of the same party, who could not escape from the once laid ideological rut).

    I also have all his books, and lately there is a desire to take them to the library hi
  24. siberalt
    siberalt 18 November 2017 12: 48
    +4
    Quote: 210ox
    It’s been a long time since Rogers was visible. On the whole, one can agree. But only comparisons with Ukraine are somehow incorrect. Why compare with what generally is not.

    If Russia and Ukraine have no difference, then why the ruble to hryvnia exchange rate has not changed since the last Maidan, even if Ukraine is heading into the abyss, but Russia is not? winked
  25. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 13: 05
    +5
    Rogers, in principle, was previously a goofy yap with a claim to a brilliant analyte. But the further the worse it gets, the disease progresses with the transition to complete insanity. What is not an article is the directly fabulous pulling of an owl on the globe. Well, at least let him tell you how we are doing with the construction of the Moscow-Kazan HSR, which, due to problems with financing, is gradually transforming, turning smoothly into Moscow-Vladimir. Serdyukov, put on the leadership of the army to carry out a planned reform he did not steal, but now he is a hero. The hero received in the ass. And not shrunken only thanks to connections and cunning..sty. The jump means. Yeah, well.
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 November 2017 14: 24
    +8
    Did Rogers get the brains flashed? It is after such statues that you begin to hate the current government with terrible power. Yes, we have capitalism, yes there are homeless people, and medicine is paid, because they will only talk for free at the clinic. But he is proud that people like Rogers declare white black and good evil is already beyond reality.
    The courts work, the police are polite and correct, the state machine works like a well-functioning clock. There is work, salaries are many times higher than Ukrainian
    Obviously Roger is constantly confronted with the courts and the police. My great-nephew came to Moscow to obviously renew the contract. They killed. the district police officer came, no investigations. This is how the police work. And the word enemies in Russia is used only by former bandits and their singers.
    The economy is “in crisis”, but its foreign exchange reserves are growing steadily.
    “No money,” but two weeks after this phrase, pensions are raised.

    they don’t know where the reserves grow, but people began to go to shops less and buy less, to understand this, it is necessary not to read the Rogers. How many rubles do pensions raise. Not percent - rubles. Another example, recently one acquaintance retired 9 thousand, which they buzzed about the USSR when they destroyed it.
    “Serdyukov is a corruption-corruptionist”, but the foundation for a qualitative increase in the combat effectiveness of the army was laid precisely under him.
    Mr. Rogers is not necessary to hold all people for fools. The old bribe takers were exchanged for new corrupt officials. Why don’t you write how the same Serdyukov pushed to buy only imported military equipment?
    In words, the government talks about privatization
    but in reality it is already a sale abroad, why does Qatar need our oil?
    Officials cry at meetings at Putin that in the gas sector "non-market pricing." What Putin has to cut them off and with a push in his voice to say "everything is marketable". Look what you’ve thought up, tell the truth!
    I don’t know what Rogers had in mind, but it’s enough to just drop by a gas station.
    When sanctions were introduced against Russia, it suddenly turned out that the government has two reserve funds, on the accounts of which “only” two hundred billion dollars. For some reason, no one asked the question, “Where did they come from?”
    Oil was expensive, but now how many cents on those accounts? If the government wants to make money on everything that moves, all that remains is the rainfall tax.
    . But I remember very well
    How old are Rogers? And what secrets is he dedicated to if he knows the secrets of the KGB?
    They answer him: “Do you really think that a toilet costs 10 thousand dollars in the army?”
    That is, Yanukovych’s toilet is not golden?
    They are trained to act with illegal methods, to confuse the enemy and pretend not to be who they really are. For example, they can pretend to be oligarchs or corrupt officials.
    In Russia, there are many more talented intelligence agents, some pretending to be homeless. This is super stupid, why should the head of state pretend to be someone? Maybe just start working for the good of the state, and not pay any Rogers?
    they say the thief shouts louder than anyone, "robbed", so they looked elsewhere, and Rogers is a stubborn fanatic, but translates the arrows.
  27. QWERTY
    QWERTY 18 November 2017 15: 10
    +1
    Well, straight conspiracy theory)))))
    No, in fact, compared to the 90s, life has become much, much better. Just snickering. In those days, just “eating” was problematic to make money, but now there are only foreign cars around, half of St. Petersburg are in new buildings, but still someone is feeling bad. Yes, there are a lot of problems. But with hunger no one somehow dies. And about corruption - that's how everything is stolen in our country. The difference is only in the possibilities and, accordingly, in the amount stolen. The minister is tying a billion, a businessman is hiding income from taxes, a fitter Vanya hangs a magnet at home on a hot water meter, someone drains something useful (in his opinion) from work home ..... Therefore, when I hear about "thieves and embezzlers" I immediately remember the saying about the mirror and physiognomy. No, it’s a sin to steal without a doubt - but this is part of our mentality. It’s clear that an ordinary citizen can’t steal as much as the one in power - but if all 150 million ordinary citizens dig something out of trifle, it’s almost equal to that that officials are tying.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 18 November 2017 15: 32
      +1
      I agree. Previously, kids frolic in the playgrounds in the yards, but now everything is packed with personal cars. winked True, this is mainly used trash.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 18 November 2017 16: 28
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        True, this is mainly used trash.

        [/ quote] [quote]
        yes, it’s worth one piece, it’s painful to watch! wink
  28. cedar
    cedar 18 November 2017 18: 10
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    you still need to talk about patriotism.
    that's it



    Standartenfuhrer Stirlitz.


    In war, as in war ...
  29. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 18 November 2017 20: 50
    +4
    Yes, yes ... It is. And Yeltsin drunk on purpose ... To lull the vigilance of the Americans, and then - bam! And he transferred power to Putin. And no one even guessed that he had drunk on the instructions of the Motherland ... It penetrates deeply. All the Kremlin secrets laid out ... Or maybe he is an agent of the State Department, or the 5th column? And the surname is not ours - Rogers ... All this is of course amusing and ridiculous. But they believe in it too !!!! It’s worth only some local comments to read ...
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 21: 19
      +2
      Dear Fedya 2017! Power pulls up large artillery. Recently discussed article here
      Narochnitskaya, then pulled up Zhvanetsky, on TV Kiselev, Pushkov, etc. Imagine what kind of information armada is involved to dust the brains of the population! And after all, there are people who sincerely believe this.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 21: 29
        +8
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Dear Fedya 2017 ... then Zhvanetsky is being pulled up

        Well, ooohhh ...
        Normal people have Zhvanetsky, and you only have a Fedya, a stump-Zionist ... ugh, a sioner, of course.
        Although here’s just Fedya and there is a small troll "at a dance" laughing
        You’re completely lost, dear .. call a special ambulance.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 18 November 2017 21: 34
          +3
          :-) The authorities have a lot on keeping loafers. Someone is holyly mistaken, someone is trying to discuss a small penny. Which ones will you be from? And by the way, what did Fedya not please you with? Clean for general development information ...
      2. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 18 November 2017 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Power pulls up large artillery.

        If for now propaganda is without "large artillery", then many people have begun to moron-patriotism ... What to expect after volleys of this "large artillery" ??! They will not start jumping otherwise, a recent example of Ukraine as a confirmation of mass psychosis already exists ...
  30. komvap
    komvap 19 November 2017 06: 07
    +3
    The trick is a specific property:
    she can break the deadlock
    but always to a new dead end.
  31. True
    True 19 November 2017 06: 59
    +2
    I knew! And about the plants on the far side of the moon and that Serdyukov is smart and that the children of officials will ruin the rotten west from the inside, etc.
    P. S. Such and Hitler will be smeared ...
  32. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 19 November 2017 12: 26
    0
    By the way, why do such "afftirim" themselves need this "Russian Smoke Screen" ???! Is there something you need to disguise as patriotism? It’s not so hard to guess ...
  33. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 20 November 2017 14: 33
    0
    Rogers, thanks to him for his unusually high horizons in the economic and political fields in Russia, his clever and delicate position in discussing current events, nevertheless provides a guideline so that state leaders do not get lost in their actions in the difficult situation that Russia is currently facing . It can be said loudly about the role of Rogers in his statements about what Russia represented in the 90s and currently represents. Nevertheless, we stepped forward a lot, and there would have been more if our partners hadn’t put us in the wheel of a pile of sticks from behind a hill. Thank you, SASHA, for your frank stance on Russia.