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"Russian elite" is preparing to escape

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Russian moneybags have once again turned their attention to the West and are rapidly increasing their investment in foreign assets. All this is happening against the background of the crisis in the country's economy. Funds amounting to millions of euros are invested in real estate. Actually, this trend has always taken place, but the volumes have increased by an order of magnitude. It is also noteworthy that the Russian elite began to be interested in acquiring a ready-made business, which indicates a desire to get a new source of basic income.


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  1. Vend
    Vend 17 November 2017 11: 55 New
    32
    I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 17 November 2017 12: 05 New
      22
      The "Russian elite" is preparing to escape.
      Russian moneybags again turned their eyes to the West and rapidly increasing investment in foreign assets. It all happens amid the crisis in the country's economy.

      Everything is natural! Already trial balls of Russian nouveau riche and the oligarchs to save their capital by export from Russia abroad were already. Russian patriotic economists constantly talked about this, and they already warned the population about this. That the longer such a “market” private-ownership policy is maintained, the situation in the country will only get worse. Indeed, the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the government of the Russian Federation does not change! This is very dangerous, and something needs to be done!
      Moreover, Zbigniew Brzezinski himself spoke and warned about the same decade ago about the Russian elite!
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 17 November 2017 16: 25 New
        +9
        Thanks for the advice, Grandpa ST. That's just before the election, such an occasion to figure out .......
        Well, as far as I see, I don’t see, it’s age, it’s a cross.
        1. olegator
          olegator 5 December 2017 08: 48 New
          +3
          He died already in the spring. So this one already does not see anything. But about the so-called "elite" - he was one hundred percent right.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 21 March 2020 21: 28 New
            0
            Do not worry so much. Next to each moneybags sits a general from where necessary. As soon as they jump in place - so the money will end with them.
            Take a look around - enough examples.
            How many friends of Dvorkovich are sitting?
            What is happening in Dagestan and the North Caucasus?
            3 governors are sitting. Et al. hi
      2. Sergey53
        Sergey53 17 November 2017 21: 00 New
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        Brzezinski well done. Got to the point. In our country, no one really doubted that this was not our elite. It’s just not clear why she is still in power.
        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 18 November 2017 15: 19 New
          21
          Because the Kremlin sits the leader of this "nobility", which is incomprehensible.
          The next president of Russia should be Cheburashka. Because he is the only one along the way who has no "friends."
        2. Andkor1962
          Andkor1962 25 November 2017 05: 55 New
          11
          But I don’t understand why they are called elite? thieves - this is the most accurate definition !!!!! Something like that.
          1. Yasen Ping
            Yasen Ping 4 December 2017 17: 55 New
            0
            I absolutely agree, we have an elite, it is not clear who everyone says the elite, but no one pokes a finger who it is .... there is simply no her elite ... either thieves or show business, the elite can still be in the army .... well maybe in art ..
        3. Alber
          Alber 14 December 2017 05: 18 New
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          Quote: Sergey53
          Brzezinski well done. Got to the point. In our country, no one really doubted that this was not our elite. It’s just not clear why she is still in power.


          And whose power do we have?
    2. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan 17 November 2017 12: 19 New
      +3
      And then to catch them in a quiet place without noise and in zindan !!
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 17 November 2017 21: 11 New
        14
        Quote: MaksoMelan
        And then to catch them in a quiet place without noise and in zindan !!

        How is this possible with the built “Wailing Wall” and the “current” democratic “system ?! Why, do you want a repetition of the“ totalitarian and bloody ”regime?lol lol lol
        1. Sergey2068
          Sergey2068 18 November 2017 14: 20 New
          31
          To be honest, we really want to. Once again, our country would not be prevented by a concrete purge of the power elite. And do not care about geyropeyskie values. The more liberal seams go to clear the forest and remove snow to Siberia, the cleaner the air will become in the country.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 16: 07 New
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            Quote: Sergey2068
            To be honest, we really want to. Once again, a concrete purge of the power elite would not hurt our country.

            Fish is known to rot from the head.
            But they clean it, as a rule, from the tail.
            So get ready ... a purge lover laughing
            1. staviator
              staviator 2 December 2017 15: 10 New
              +1
              That's right, everyone wants Stalin, but not for himself, but for a neighbor.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 2 December 2017 18: 23 New
              +2
              It all depends on how you organize this process. When the bloody gebne "it was the tops that lost their heads. So they arranged a cold autumn of the 53rd with the subsequent thaw. All shit and thawed.
              In order not to repeat mistakes, we must understand that people are not a herd of sheep. And having understood this, we will become a force capable of beneficial changes in the country.
            3. zoolu350
              zoolu350 6 December 2017 16: 40 New
              +1
              Well, it wouldn’t hurt to clean you up. For too long, you have been trying to whitewash the wretched actions of the Russian oligarchy.
          2. Alexey1
            Alexey1 18 November 2017 16: 41 New
            +4
            Do you want a cleaning? Cleaning is needed, but not like in 37. If you start cleaning, they who you are going to clean will start such a flywheel that you and I and others will not find it. We’ll get everything under this flywheel. We need to think how to do it.
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 22 November 2017 14: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Alexey1
              Cleaning is needed, but not like in 37

              The Hercules cleaning will be organized not from above, not from below, but from the side — from the Washington regional committee, and not so far in time — after February 2, in general, some analogies suggest themselves :-)
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 2 December 2017 18: 27 New
              +3
              Do not scare us with the 37th, Stalin was cleaning whom he needed. But his enemies substituted honest people under these repressions, and purposefully, creating an atmosphere of horror in the country.
          3. Yasen Ping
            Yasen Ping 4 December 2017 17: 57 New
            +1
            you and Europeans are Siberian, we are better off here than you, it’s better for you to lay asphalt and clean the yards, well, or on Magadan, it's fun there))
    3. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 17 November 2017 12: 25 New
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      Quote: Wend
      I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

      Cleaner, without them, of course the air will become! yes But, firstly, stolen billions (namely, stolen, not honestly earned) of budget money and funds received from the sale of the national wealth of the Russian Federation will be exported. stop Secondly, they will flee to the countries of our potential adversaries, and most of them have the highest access to the state and strategic secrets of the Russian Federation and do you really think that the Western special services will not take advantage of this ?! sad
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 November 2017 12: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Sergey-svs
        Quote: Wend
        I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

        Cleaner, without them, of course the air will become! yes But, firstly, stolen billions (namely, stolen, not honestly earned) of budget money and funds received from the sale of the national wealth of the Russian Federation will be exported. stop Secondly, they will flee to the countries of our potential adversaries, and most of them have the highest access to the state and strategic secrets of the Russian Federation and do you really think that the Western special services will not take advantage of this ?! sad

        Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.
        1. Sergey-svs
          Sergey-svs 17 November 2017 13: 43 New
          16
          Quote: Wend
          Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

          So what, yes, even if they give 2 / 3 of them from the stolen, how can this be taken as a positive result ?! sad But what about access to state secrets, or do you seriously believe in their decency and that they, as "true patriots" of their motherland abandoned by them, will remain silent and languish in the western dungeons? !!! lol
          PS The issue of escape, the so-called Russian "elite", is solved by Stalinist principles and methods - very easy! yes Yes, it’s only Russia, unfortunately it’s now in charge - not Comrade. Stalin! request
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 17 November 2017 16: 20 New
            +1
            Mdya There is no Rybakov, and the problem has not only remained, but has somehow taken root.
            Can I pour kerosene? They say the roots fall off.
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 November 2017 17: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Wend
          Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

          but what's the difference - the money still doesn’t come back, and yet, in addition, in this situation, those who “shelter” their budget can not be very disturbed to “fight” the Soviet threat ..
          1. Vend
            Vend 17 November 2017 17: 10 New
            0
            Quote: mat-vey
            Quote: Wend
            Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

            but what's the difference - the money still doesn’t come back, and yet, in addition, in this situation, those who “shelter” their budget can not be very disturbed to “fight” the Soviet threat ..

            There have already been precedents. when they returned stolen in exchange for freedom. And the president spoke about this in one of his interviews.
            Quote: Sergey-svs
            Quote: Wend
            Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

            So what, yes, even if they give 2 / 3 of them from the stolen, how can this be taken as a positive result ?! sad But what about access to state secrets, or do you seriously believe in their decency and that they, as "true patriots" of their motherland abandoned by them, will remain silent and languish in the western dungeons? !!! lol
            PS The issue of escape, the so-called Russian "elite", is solved by Stalinist principles and methods - very easy! yes Yes, it’s only Russia, unfortunately it’s now in charge - not Comrade. Stalin! request
            ]

            Well, how many will give, it is unknown. maybe more, but about state secrets. Do you think our special services are not adequate? I think they will counteract this.
        3. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 November 2017 17: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          There have already been precedents. when they returned stolen in exchange for freedom. And the president spoke about this in one of his interviews.

          So is it from the money that the officials "motivated" gathered? Of the returned ... Or will they again give Sechin and Gref?
          1. Vend
            Vend 17 November 2017 18: 22 New
            0
            Quote: mat-vey
            Quote: Wend
            There have already been precedents. when they returned stolen in exchange for freedom. And the president spoke about this in one of his interviews.

            So is it from the money that the officials "motivated" gathered? Of the returned ... Or will they again give Sechin and Gref?

            I do not know, the Kremlin does not report to me wink
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 17 November 2017 18: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Wend
              the Kremlin does not report to me

              Duck, he does not report to anyone for anything and doesn’t report to anyone ... and when he withdraws money abroad, he does not report ... Or do you think that this can be done without the Kremlin?
              1. Vend
                Vend 17 November 2017 18: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: mat-vey
                Quote: Wend
                the Kremlin does not report to me

                Duck, he does not report to anyone for anything and doesn’t report to anyone ... and when he withdraws money abroad, he does not report ... Or do you think that this can be done without the Kremlin?

                Well, if the Kremlin does not report to anyone, then why are you so sure that it is withdrawing money abroad? wink Money was withdrawn a long time ago, back in those days when this issue was not yet under control. In the vastness of the West, any finances can be lost, just as the sensational gold of the party was lost.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 November 2017 18: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Wend
                  Well, if the Kremlin does not report to anyone, then why are you so sure

                  Because the elite and the Kremlin are all the same person ...
                  Quote: Wend
                  In the vastness of the West, any finances can be lost

                  Are you so naive
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 20 November 2017 11: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Quote: Wend
                    Well, if the Kremlin does not report to anyone, then why are you so sure

                    Because the elite and the Kremlin are all the same person ...
                    Quote: Wend
                    In the vastness of the West, any finances can be lost

                    Are you so naive

                    Do you belong to the elite? Since you have such knowledge in this matter, or is it from the next couch assumption?
                    Already enough finance has been lost in Western countries.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 December 2017 16: 41 New
                      0
                      And your knowledge must be obtained from the Kremlin sofa taken up ...
        4. staviator
          staviator 2 December 2017 15: 12 New
          0
          Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

          somehow, it will somehow affect your well-being.
          1. Vend
            Vend 3 December 2017 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: staviator
            Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

            somehow, it will somehow affect your well-being.

            This will affect the well-being of the country.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 17 November 2017 21: 23 New
        11
        Quote: Sergey-svs
        Cleaner, without them, of course the air will become!

        Will not! They will continue to milk the territory under the name of the Russian Federation, already under the guise of "foreign investors". Until the system of this robbery is changed by real effective "managers" (if in Russian see "Specialist in the field of production management, enterprise", etc.), not a damn thing will change.
        In general, we need not "effective managers", but professional business executives in their industry who have "grown" in it since childhood. Only then will there be any sense, but we have the political tendency not to take the Soviet experience into account, and therefore ... We are waiting for the next devaluation, price increases and new taxes!
        1. Alexander Borisov
          Alexander Borisov 18 November 2017 15: 48 New
          0
          Well, actually, where Soviet experience is used, it is the military-industrial complex, large research centers, the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome at the final stage, etc. Only you can’t take much from the Soviet economy, because she lost the economic competition to capitalism, it is better to use the experience of the Chinese economy.
      3. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 25 November 2017 06: 00 New
        0
        Yes, just initiate a criminal case (and I think that there is something for everyone). Restore the death penalty. And do not care about the Geyropian "values." And just shoot. In this case, we’ll just lose some money.
    4. alenge
      alenge 18 November 2017 10: 51 New
      +1
      One hundred thousand euros once a year without duties, and with above, leave half of the country's budget only this way and not otherwise
    5. Alexander Borisov
      Alexander Borisov 18 November 2017 15: 27 New
      +2
      Yes, let’s run, to put it mildly, only they will leave the money of Russia, because the vast majority of the funds was gained as a result of predatory privatization and the use of natural resources of Russia.
      In general, the economic war declared by Russia by the West was conceived in the expectation that the fifth column was firmly seated in the economy and business of the Russian Federation, under the cover of sanctions, would bring down the Russian economy. But, frightened by Putin, the fifth column did not fulfill the task assigned to her, so the United States set her the condition: either she is fulfilling the task of collapsing the Russian economy, or her assets will be confiscated.
    6. Alber
      Alber 18 November 2017 20: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

      Let the money stolen from us be left and felled!
      1. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 25 November 2017 06: 03 New
        0
        Yeah, right now. Indicate at least ONE way how to do this? My opinion is "Died, so died."
    7. Abel
      Abel 18 November 2017 22: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

      I do not mind with a slight amendment. Do not run away with our money. Enter a "exit fee" in the amount of 75% of the stolen. Why 75%? What if they don’t leave !!!
    8. ava09
      ava09 19 November 2017 09: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Wend
      I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west.

      This "elite" - swindlers and thieves. They should flee to the West by BEGGARS, and not take out the loot on a cyclopean scale.
    9. evgesha1952
      evgesha1952 19 November 2017 19: 17 New
      +1
      Damn, a joke! All the deputies, all United Russia and other rubbish, fell overnight. Damn it would be a joke.
    10. nickname7
      nickname7 22 November 2017 10: 01 New
      +1
      I see nothing wrong if part of the elite flees west

      There is no problem, except for the fact that the current high-ranking official is a potential object of blackmail, through relatives, or money. Do you want to live in the west, leave the civil service.
    11. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 22 November 2017 18: 50 New
      0
      it would be good . if "part of the elite escaped ONLY WITH MONEY PART
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 07 New
        0
        If in our country there was Capitalism, a system conducive to the accumulation and growth of Capital, the "Elites" would not run anywhere laughing
    12. Dr. Bermental
      Dr. Bermental 23 November 2017 01: 43 New
      0
      also make sure that the money remains and they are with .... whether
    13. yana406
      yana406 23 November 2017 11: 16 New
      +2
      the only bad thing is that the capital stolen there will be taken out
    14. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 23 November 2017 12: 34 New
      +1
      The problem is that they will take out a huge part of the national funds and invest in the Western economy, and not in the Russian one. And this is a problem.
    15. Evgeny Parygin
      Evgeny Parygin 23 November 2017 14: 05 New
      +4
      Wend! Life will be cleaner for a short time. Then new dirt will appear. Cause? I answer. The part of the former elite remaining in power will reproduce their own kind. What to do? I answer. Destroy the entire elite with the household. I am ready to do it.
      1. Vend
        Vend 4 December 2017 17: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Evgeny Parygin
        Wend! Life will be cleaner for a short time. Then new dirt will appear. Cause? I answer. The part of the former elite remaining in power will reproduce their own kind. What to do? I answer. Destroy the entire elite with the household. I am ready to do it.

        The reason is human psychology. And no matter in what part of society. You easily give away death. and if also to you? You are ready to kill even children. I recall the words from the film, "You shoot children. The patient is ok!" - "The Fast and the Furious 8.
    16. larand
      larand 3 December 2017 14: 55 New
      0
      They will run away with our money.
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  3. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 November 2017 12: 48 New
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    Quote: Wend
    I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

    And I do not see the elite in Russia! Something NANOista, Grefka, Nabiullin and others and the like does not turn the language to call the elite! They are like acne on the body, they are treated by a dermatologist ...
    The elite (from the French elite - the best, the best) - in sociology and political science - is an integral and important part of any society.
    Who assigned them this title? Are these the best, selected representatives of Russia?
    As one bald man said, This is not the brain of the nation, it is .... oh!
    1. dSK
      dSK 17 November 2017 15: 35 New
      +5
      Hello Garik! On November 15, 2017, the ceremony of presenting state awards of the Russian Federation was held in the Catherine Hall of the Moscow Kremlin. Among those awarded are representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church; Order of Friendship - Professor of the Moscow Theological Academy A.I. Osipov. After presenting the award, A.I. also addressed the head of state and participants in the ceremony. Osipov:
      “Your Excellency Mr. President! We live in a time when we faced a lot of problems. True, this is not news for Russia; it always lives in such an atmosphere. And we can indicate many reasons where they come from in different areas of life, but I would like to say about the main reason, about the root. This reason is, of course, the spiritual and moral state of our society. Well-known Tyutchev 150 years ago still said: "Not the flesh, but the spirit is corrupt today, and man is desperately suffering." It is for this reason that this terrible demonic revolution took place, the century of which we are now recalling. Is there any way out of this? Again, we can talk about a lot, but I want to say that this reason is what our great thinker of the XIX century Ivan Vasilyevich Kireevsky, one of the leaders of Slavophilism, very well said. He said wonderful words: "Every moral victory in the soul of one person is a great triumph for the entire human world." And the ancient Romans spoke, naturally, in Latin, you can’t do anything here: vive ut vivas - "live to live." But is life possible without a soul and without God? Your attention, Vladimir Vladimirovich, is precisely on the spiritual and moral side of the life of our society that inspires optimism and hope. And many thanks to you for this, many thanks. ” hi
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: Wend
      I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

      And I do not see the elite in Russia! Something NANOista, Grefka, Nabiullin and others and the like does not turn the language to call the elite! They are like acne on the body, they are treated by a dermatologist ...
      The elite (from the French elite - the best, the best) - in sociology and political science - is an integral and important part of any society.
      Who assigned them this title? Are these the best, selected representatives of Russia?
      As one bald man said, This is not the brain of the nation, it is .... oh!

      Eurodav, as always, in the subject)))
      Neither Chubais, who is cutting budget money, and without visible results even for the excuse, neither Elvira Sakhipzadovna, nor Sberbank will be washed away for any carriages from Russia :)
      In the West they will never occupy such a position in their life. And they won’t make such money from a flashlight.
      Oligarchs who are tired of sharing forever and big businessmen may be looking for a "safe haven", though ...
      It makes sense to invest in real estate in London-Miami - I bought huts in Krasnodar for 30 dollars, now they cost half as much in green terms. Yes, and in rubles for the same money, they are unlikely to be sold now :) In London, real estate only grows in hard pounds.
      It is reasonable to buy a ready-made business to buy abroad on the principle of not putting all your eggs in one basket. On the other hand, if you are not constantly present there, then this becomes the manager’s business. But managing the very new business for you in a foreign country is so difficult ...
      Double-edged stick.
      1. Alexander Golubev
        Alexander Golubev 18 November 2017 11: 39 New
        11
        In short, business is personal gain at the expense of others, and elitism is determined by the thickness of fat in the scruff of the neck, gluttony and aggressiveness. for owning a trough.
      2. Alexander Borisov
        Alexander Borisov 18 November 2017 15: 38 New
        +5
        Only real estate abroad is subject to heavy taxes, it must be maintained, and for this we need funds that I don’t want to say a word to earn, this business can only be done in Russia, otherwise many billionaires can repeat the fate of Berezovsky.
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 22 November 2017 10: 19 New
        +1
        British large real estate - estates, are taxed by gigantic taxes, that even their old aristocracy, went broke and lost estates, Only a constant large income, allows you to live in a castle. In essence, the West is able to lure filigree rich natives-oligarchs to itself, and then their fortunes are extradited from indigenous kings.
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      abiullin and others and the like

      But it’s not so simple with Nabiullina, quietly, without noise, closing up holes in the banking system, removing unnecessary bankers. And still alive !!!
  4. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 17 November 2017 13: 27 New
    +2
    Where are the numbers? Where are the last names?
    Some gossip and speculation.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: ADmA_RUS
      Some gossip and speculation

      speculation is easily supplemented by the meaning: - against any surname "Elitaria" put the number of factories that he owns.
  5. Victorio
    Victorio 17 November 2017 15: 46 New
    +5
    this category made money on theft, it makes no sense to expect otherwise, maybe the middle class will be different
  6. Old warrior
    Old warrior 17 November 2017 15: 46 New
    +7
    Yes, they are all thieves ...
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 16 New
      +1
      kleptocracy - the power of thieves
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 November 2017 16: 18 New
    +9
    "Russian elite" is preparing to escape
    Immediately recalled an anecdote:
    "In vain did I collect you six months ago for one steamboat!"
  8. ihappy
    ihappy 18 November 2017 04: 13 New
    +5
    You can run away once!
    There they are dear.
  9. monah2987
    monah2987 18 November 2017 07: 50 New
    +1
    The exiled government is also on the staffing table - capital is a tool of "management" and serving !!!
  10. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 18 November 2017 09: 48 New
    +7
    When rats leave your house, it seems to me that it will become calmer and easier to live! Then piss off!
    1. Alexander S
      Alexander S 18 November 2017 14: 41 New
      +5
      They will flow away with money and we will again be left with nothing. It always has been.
      1. Vladimir Sh
        Vladimir Sh 18 November 2017 16: 04 New
        +1
        with your money? borrowed Abramovich from you?)
        1. 89536931581
          89536931581 18 November 2017 17: 25 New
          +8
          The income of the oligarchs is our money. We use the goods and services of their enterprises. The price of these goods includes large incomes of their owners. And then, with these huge incomes, the rich thanks to Putin pay 13% of personal income tax, like doctors and teachers. Although, in fairness, the more money, the greater must be the percentage of personal income tax to thank the country that created the conditions for the oligarchs to enrich themselves: 1) what they own and with which they are enriched is created, mainly, not by them, but by the Soviet people time, 2) the state was spent on them while the current oligarchs were children - kindergarten, school, professional image, health. And the Soviet workers and the economy paid for this through taxes, and not the current oligarchs from their own pockets, and their parents paid a tiny percentage of this, a ticket to a pioneer camp, for example. So the oligarchs have our money and that of our parents and grandparents.
          1. Vladimir Sh
            Vladimir Sh 19 November 2017 07: 21 New
            +2
            in the income of oligarchs money ... oligarchs.
            and in your income money ... yours. there is no more money in the world. and all that the people created in Soviet times, he scorned in August 91 when he rode a goat in front of tanks shouting Yeltsin.
            and the fact that rich people pay 13% thanks to Putin, thank Putin. thanks to yours and your grandparents, Yeltsin once didn’t pay nichrome.
            Soviet workers paid for a children's pioneer camp to Abramovich ... feed him ... how cute)
            1. 89536931581
              89536931581 20 November 2017 14: 46 New
              +3
              Money oligarchs do not come from nowhere. they are included in the price of the goods and services that we consume - fuel, metal (at least professional flooring for the home), fertilizers for the garden and more. The fact that the people profiled in 91 does not cancel the merit of the people in that they created what the oligarchs are now enriching. Since the people, and not the oligarchs, created, it means that the people have the right to their well-deserved share of this wealth. And a progressive personal income tax is needed for a fair redistribution of money. it was the Soviet workers who paid to the pioneer camp for the current oligarchs, while they were pioneers in Soviet times. Maybe it’s news for you, but in Soviet times most of the trips to pioneer camps, trips to sanatoriums at the expense of the state, and it took money from taxes on Soviet workers, industry, cx, the service sector. Or do you want to say that the parents of the oligarchs fully paid for their children education, health? It was also on the money of Soviet workers. So there’s nothing to fuss about. The people have the right to a fair redistribution of wealth. Moreover, the progress of the personal income tax acts in most of the developed countries of the world, which our government likes to nod, could drag in the Russian Federation all kinds of crap such as the health insurance model, the Bologna educational system, the expensive renaming of the police to the police, juvenile th justice.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 33 New
                0
                Quote: 89536931581
                Money oligarchs do not come from nowhere. they are included in the price of goods and services that we consume

                there is more money foreign capitalists
                Quote: 89536931581
                Since the people, and not the oligarchs, created, it means that the people have the right to their well-deserved share of this wealth.

                Do you want to cancel a private property?
                Quote: 89536931581
                The people have the right to a fair redistribution of wealth.

                the people are very wide. Aren't the oligarchs born and raised on the territory of Russia a part of the people? And if you personally give the well you stop pumping oil?
                Quote: 89536931581
                parents of oligarchs fully paid for their children education, health?

                the problem of education is that it is not targeted. Bring to the graduation of a brilliant designer, he will go abroad, or sniff because of lack of demand.
                you have porridge in your head. Sorry.
              2. THE_SEAL
                THE_SEAL 23 November 2017 12: 37 New
                +1
                The question for Putin is of course why the oligarchs pay 13% of the total. Given that most of the oligarchs are his friends.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 23 New
            0
            Quote: 89536931581
            We use goods and services of their enterprises

            Who is YOU? which enterprises? what does Chubais have enterprises all over the country? We buy goods mainly import, we drive foreign cars, compare how much import you take and how much domestic. Remember that Belarusian cheeses are Europe.
      2. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 25 November 2017 06: 13 New
        0
        And how much do these stolen denyuzhki now help Russia?
    2. Veter_73
      Veter_73 20 November 2017 09: 10 New
      +1
      Rats always run first - from a sinking ship. Have you thought about this?
  11. Alexander Golubev
    Alexander Golubev 18 November 2017 11: 20 New
    +7
    Nonsense! Nobody is going to run away from the moneybags, for there is no reason for this. They will only run if the communists come to power, but for this it is necessary for the people to understand that by voting for the individual, he makes a choice between capitalism and social justice, but for now the simple voter does not understand this. Even if the voter casts his vote for social justice, it is necessary to overcome the resistance of the current power of capital and help it from outside to maintain this power. So far we are only able to scold power, but not fight it.
    1. efendia
      efendia 21 November 2017 08: 27 New
      +2
      For Zyuganov or what? Well, do not tell.
      1. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 25 November 2017 06: 15 New
        0
        I think Zyuganov is a waste material. It’s not in vain that I wrote not with a capital letter.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Golubev
      but for this it is necessary for the people to understand that by voting for a person, he makes a choice between capitalism and social justice,

      Capitalism is a system in which conditions are created for the accumulation and growth of Capital, Socialism is a system with an ideological component when the public good is placed above the personal one. We, in fact, have no capitalist or socialist parties !! laughing
  12. Alexander S
    Alexander S 18 November 2017 14: 40 New
    +3
    On the eve of a big sheer, called. It is not difficult to guess that when dad can no longer cover up their vile fraud and will take care of himself first of all as his beloved, bargaining the indisputability of handing over his accomplices, the brother will flee with those stolen billions. And we will look for them, like the gold of the party. Old old picture.
  13. Valery Garanin
    Valery Garanin 18 November 2017 14: 56 New
    +2
    Flying squads and executions, as in China and all the problems
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 18 November 2017 15: 24 New
      +2
      Something is imperceptible to the current, so that the practice of demonstrative executions reduces the number of corrupt officials in China.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 23 November 2017 07: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Metallurg_2
        Something is imperceptible to the current, so that the practice of demonstrative executions reduces the number of corrupt officials in China.

        In my opinion
  14. Damask
    Damask 18 November 2017 16: 30 New
    +1
    Yes, they have long been exported under the wise guidance of our leaders.
  15. 89536931581
    89536931581 18 November 2017 17: 17 New
    +2
    Thank Putin for the flat personal income tax. Before it was progressive, as in most developed countries of the world. And for the absence of a law by which the owner of the plant must update the treatment facilities of his enterprises so that they fit into environmental standards. Otherwise, he will receive such a fine that it would be more profitable to buy new modern treatment equipment. Given Putin’s political power, he could easily pass this law through the State Duma and the Federation Council. Then the oligarchs who owned privatized enterprises would have to invest in the modernization of at least the treatment facilities of their plants, factories, and thermal power plants. This would significantly improve the environmental situation in Chelyabinsk, Krasnoyarsk and other centers of metallurgy and chemistry. Then the rich would have much less money left to withdraw from the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation would have received more money in the budget and less harmful emissions. But Putin for 17 years has not resolved these obvious and important problems for the whole country.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 22 November 2017 10: 26 New
      +2
      You are the only one who paid attention to a flat tax scale in the Russian Federation. It is interesting that America, in fact, is a socialist country, as it is not strange, they have progressive taxation.
  16. igorra
    igorra 18 November 2017 20: 31 New
    +4
    Since when did thieves and speculators become elite? At least for me, the people who are robbing the country and all of us are not the elite and I am not on the way with them.
  17. valtom
    valtom 18 November 2017 21: 02 New
    0
    is there really a lord on earth. feather in one place. people, and so on the verge, it’s better to let them rather fly, fly, swim west.
  18. neoshef
    neoshef 18 November 2017 22: 47 New
    +3
    What is the "elite", gentlemen? ....................
    1. lance
      lance 19 November 2017 06: 15 New
      +3
      the elite of state thieves, grabbers and managers.
  19. Alexander Prikhodko
    Alexander Prikhodko 19 November 2017 09: 16 New
    +3
    all power to the councils
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 19 November 2017 10: 58 New
    +1
    But what about the inner circle?
  21. Old military officer
    Old military officer 19 November 2017 12: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Quote: MaksoMelan
    And then to catch them in a quiet place without noise and in zindan !!

    How is this possible with the built “Wailing Wall” and the “current” democratic “system ?! Why, do you want a repetition of the“ totalitarian and bloody ”regime?lol lol lol

    It’s not my fault, Vin Priyshov himself.
  22. Old military officer
    Old military officer 19 November 2017 12: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Sergey2068
    To be honest, we really want to. Once again, a concrete purge of the power elite would not hurt our country.

    Fish is known to rot from the head.
    But they clean it, as a rule, from the tail.
    So get ready ... a purge lover laughing

    Frightened grandmother by miracles. Already seen in the dashing 90s. Then they scared too, and so what?
  23. nord62
    nord62 19 November 2017 12: 36 New
    0
    would be faster!
  24. Alexander Roslyakov
    Alexander Roslyakov 19 November 2017 15: 12 New
    0
    The elite must be let go, but from the beginning let them return everything that they grabbed
  25. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 19 November 2017 15: 18 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Borisov
    Well, actually, where Soviet experience is used, it is the military-industrial complex, large research centers, the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome at the final stage, etc. Only you can’t take much from the Soviet economy, because she lost the economic competition to capitalism, it is better to use the experience of the Chinese economy.

    Actually, this is not a socialist economy that lost the competition, but its short transformation by incompetent figures after the death of I.V. Stalin. I will explain this with a simple example: under Stalin, the so-called cooperators who had their own chain of stores in which the most diverse goods were sold - fabrics, tools, shoes and a variety of food products. Yes, the prices for these goods were higher, but they were, while in ordinary stores this was not enough and they sold what’s called a fight. Khrushchev, with his revisionist campaign, put things in order — the cooperatives pressed so that they were gone and there were no goods produced by them. Then began the "perestroika" of the national economy both in agriculture, industry, and in planning. The result - there were practically no essential products, for the first time the USSR began to buy grain in Canada and the USA, the population of the country began to grumble. The party elite came to its senses - a 1964 coup took place, but it didn’t get any better. The country was forced to hook on a raw material needle. Many others themselves remember the rest. So it was not socialism that lost, but those leaders who were not able to continue and develop the advantages of socialism after Stalin, and the result was what it became. To build a party on the principle of fidelity to the leader, the opportunity to build your butt on a warmer place, pushing the more worthy by education and upbringing - this is the political death of this party and grief for the people of the country controlled by such a party. This is a vice of party government, mankind is ready for the development of new principles for governing the state. But here it is necessary to overcome the resistance of the current pseudo-elite, which controls countries in the modern world, and especially the system of the created Anglo-Saxon financial elite, which controls world finances. hi
    1. staviator
      staviator 2 December 2017 15: 29 New
      0
      under Stalin, the so-called cooperators who had their own chain of stores in which a variety of goods were sold - fabrics, tools, shoes and a variety of food products

      What kind of nonsense is private property under Stalin?
  26. Anatoly Lukyanov
    Anatoly Lukyanov 19 November 2017 15: 47 New
    +1
    Is the president a member of the elite, or is he on his own?
  27. VladGashek
    VladGashek 19 November 2017 16: 44 New
    +1
    Not only the "elite" will escape, but also the cunning people, and only migrants and the drunken Russian province will remain in Russia. The way out is not to aggravate the assessments of the past ("demonic revolution"), but to strive for national unity, on the basis of a moral assessment of the present. Neither the ROC nor the PER can do this. They have other ideas at the top, personal "achievements", and not public interest. Renewed socialism, without partocracy and an elitist corrupt bureaucracy. For the analysis, the author is grateful.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 16: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladgashek
      Not only the "elite" will escape, but also cunning people, and only migrants and the drunken Russian province will remain in Russia

      Flatten. And don't bend anymore negative
  28. evgesha1952
    evgesha1952 19 November 2017 19: 08 New
    0
    Sergey 2068 is right, to collect the milestone bureaucrat thief together with their Pope, but at the age of 37. And not to Siberia, but to the wall !!!
  29. DPN
    DPN 19 November 2017 19: 10 New
    0
    This is what the Soviet people strove for in 1991.
    Yes, to hell with them let them run, only let them leave everything that they earned was not feasible labor in Russia.
  30. evgesha1952
    evgesha1952 19 November 2017 19: 23 New
    0
    Let everyone run, but in zinc.
  31. Bator
    Bator 20 November 2017 15: 00 New
    0
    Only Ivan the Terrible and Stalin could squeeze the elite to the nail, Putin is soft with them ...
  32. Vodila
    Vodila 20 November 2017 19: 49 New
    0
    And do not tell me that the president does not know or does not notice.
    1. kkk888
      kkk888 22 November 2017 00: 27 New
      +1
      my friend is one team of Sobchak the elder. Of course he knows himself from this team. And there’s nobody to plant all of his own .http: //www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic1044887.html
  33. vollev
    vollev 21 November 2017 07: 10 New
    0
    This is necessary to support the Russian-speaking population in the BALTIC, including, and not less important economic impact.
  34. Sergey Kiryushin
    Sergey Kiryushin 21 November 2017 10: 39 New
    +1
    What the hell is that written? Like, they were sitting for themselves, they were spinning loot in rubles and then all of a sudden, and decided to leave in hard currencies? The capital withdrawal process is ongoing. As well as investing in a business abroad. Real estate abroad is not the most profitable asset. It is for this reason that they preferred to keep in accounts or in business. As for the words of Brzheinsky, it is also possible to speak about our entire country, with its investments in the Fed's papers. But with the thesis that a high-level official who has real estate, accounts, business, children abroad should be removed from state secrets and used in less important positions, I completely agree. Moreover, I would remove from office (on vacation) any official who would raise questions about "cleanliness" until clarification.
  35. Alexander Voronkov
    Alexander Voronkov 21 November 2017 11: 04 New
    0
    Who said that these descendants of the biblical homeless people are the elite, and even the Russian one? https://ok.ru/music/search/Trophim+Aristocracy+by
    wash
  36. Vladimir Fokin
    Vladimir Fokin 21 November 2017 11: 41 New
    +1
    they won’t run away anywhere, as long as there is still something to steal from Russia.
  37. kkk888
    kkk888 22 November 2017 00: 04 New
    +1
    According to the law, everything and no matter what from the bowels of the country all the capital
  38. ver_
    ver_ 22 November 2017 05: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Wend
    I don’t see anything bad if part of the elite flees west. Those who love and appreciate Russia will remain. And without dirt life will be cleaner.

    .. if they were there without anything (in their underpants) - this could be welcomed ..
  39. ver_
    ver_ 22 November 2017 05: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Bator
    Only Ivan the Terrible and Stalin could squeeze the elite to the nail, Putin is soft with them ...

    ..that one, that the second- they did not die by their death ..- they left ..
  40. Oleg Kim
    Oleg Kim 22 November 2017 10: 05 New
    0
    This elite steals openly, insolently, but no one stops them and the laws are not written for them. Only thieves with a lower rank are detained.
  41. Forever so
    Forever so 22 November 2017 12: 42 New
    +1
    Let’s say the “Russian elite” is not tolerant - Russian Shit, who robbed and destroyed the USSR, fearing the situation they created in the economy, urgently swim away to places of hanging on belts and scarves. But their accomplices still remain in power and the government and leadership of the Central Bank, as well as the main founder of Jewish capitalism in Russia and reconciliation with thieves. So not the first shit floats and not the last, alas !!
  42. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 22 November 2017 18: 54 New
    0
    This time we won’t let anyone go! Of all Canada, we will refund! The plants killed and the roads in the state need to be restored, and money to the treasury ...
  43. yana406
    yana406 23 November 2017 11: 16 New
    0
    the whole elite of Russia - American sub-diners.
  44. Fedor1
    Fedor1 23 November 2017 12: 48 New
    0
    The bad thing is that they are washed away with money and all this with the knowledge of the authorities!
  45. Midshipman-53
    Midshipman-53 23 November 2017 20: 00 New
    0
    "And let the rats leave the ship. They interfere with the reckless battle!"
  46. Bert
    Bert 24 November 2017 05: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    Quote: Wend
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they will have to halve their wallets in order to safely escape from Russia.

    So what, yes, even if they give 2 / 3 of them from the stolen, how can this be taken as a positive result ?! sad But what about access to state secrets, or do you seriously believe in their decency and that they, as "true patriots" of their motherland abandoned by them, will remain silent and languish in the western dungeons? !!! lol
    PS The issue of escape, the so-called Russian "elite", is solved by Stalinist principles and methods - very easy! yes Yes, it’s only Russia, unfortunately it’s now in charge - not Comrade. Stalin! request

    Are you so naive that you think there are still some state secrets? And this is after when in 1991 Kalugin surrendered all our foreign agents. Everything has long been surrendered. State secrets are for the layman. Type noodles on the ears.
    1. Molot1979
      Molot1979 2 December 2017 06: 08 New
      0
      If anything, then this quote is not from Stalin at all, but from Rybakov's paper-maraka.
  47. Valery Timofeev_2
    Valery Timofeev_2 24 November 2017 20: 33 New
    0
    Let them run, life will put everything in its place!
  48. Anatol Ivanovich
    Anatol Ivanovich 26 November 2017 22: 34 New
    +2
    They also wanted to flee from Sweden. But nothing came of them. The President there said to these wiseacons, incited by the Americans, - if you want to leave the country - be kind, but leave your loot in the bins of the motherland. After such pleasant speeches, the whole oligarchic elite of that region suddenly fell in love with the country. Resignedly, she began to pay a high percentage of income to the state treasury and the people liked it very much. The experience is positive. It would be nice to adopt it from us.
    1. patriot57
      patriot57 27 November 2017 01: 38 New
      0
      The experience is positive. But our situevina is not the same! Our friends are not betrayed. This is not Lee Kuan Yu at all ... unfortunately.
  49. patriot57
    patriot57 27 November 2017 01: 31 New
    0
    kleptocracy, you know ..., continues to rob the country, but it’s impossible to “leave” endlessly with a bang-patriotism, sooner or later people will see that the king is “naked” !!! Foreign policy is patriotic, domestic is anti-people !!!
  50. Evgeniy diakov
    Evgeniy diakov 29 November 2017 20: 38 New
    +1
    The people need to fight for the adoption of a law to limit the wealth of the rich to a certain level. For example, $ 500 million. The rest should go to state revenue. Then, few people would want to spend a lot of money on bribing power structures, but enough for a chic life.