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The Ministry of Defense decided to extend the life of "Carnations"

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The Russian military department decided to keep the 122-mm self-propelled howitzer 2C1 “Gvozdika” in service, subjecting them to a profound modernization, according to News.




“The decision on modernization was made taking into account the successful use of self-propelled howitzers in almost all recent armed conflicts, including in Syria. "Carnations" retained mobility in conditions of highly rugged terrain, where heavier self-propelled guns could not pass, the newspaper writes, citing representatives of the Ministry of Defense.

In the near future, the military will finally decide on the task of upgrading self-propelled howitzers, on the number of units to be refitted, and, accordingly, on the price of the issue. It is expected that one of the enterprises of Uralvagonzavod will be engaged in updating the Gvozdik park.

The modernization plans include equipping the machines with an automated guidance and fire control system that will minimize crew participation and increase the effectiveness of the shooting. The ACS should receive a more advanced ballistic calculator of the sighting system, new sights and, possibly, a new chassis, according to the material.

Military expert Alexei Leonkov:

This possibility has been discussed for a long time. The experience gained by the enterprises of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" during the modernization of self-propelled installations 2С3 "Acacia" and 2С19 "Msta-S" will help to breathe new life into the proven weapon. The army is likely to want the latest sights for shooting day and night, in all weather conditions, as well as a more advanced loading mechanism. In the guidance system and target designation, GPS / GLONASS technologies will probably be more widely used. Most likely, the installations will be integrated into the automated artillery control system so that the self-propelled guns work in a single information field.


He recalled that the units have a Ukrainian-made chassis. According to the expert, the military department has to decide whether import substitution is necessary in this case.

For example, the Mytishchi plant produces a chassis on which the Thor anti-aircraft missile system operates. Perhaps this groundwork is useful,
Leonkov added.
Photos used:
RIA Novosti / Said Tsarnaev
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  1. avt
    avt 17 November 2017 11: 15
    +3
    Type ,, Host "sucks a couple to ,, Kurgan"?
    1. destination
      destination 17 November 2017 11: 20
      +8
      Well, what if they scorch normally, why not leave them in the army. The new ones you mentioned will not be coming soon anyway, so ... In the end, after all, there’s a cannon and a carnation ... winkThere is no money, we get out and hold on as we can. smile
      1. avt
        avt 17 November 2017 11: 27
        +7
        Quote: destination
        The new ones you mentioned will not come soon anyway,

        So if about ,, Hosta ", then it generally flew to the soap to change request The castrated version ,, Veins ", so it’s better," Carnation "to upgrade and leave.
      2. ammunition
        ammunition 18 November 2017 18: 14
        +3
        Quote: destination
        The "clove" gun, after all ..


        Clove is not a cannon. repeat Clove - howitzer.
    2. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 17 November 2017 11: 23
      13
      Quote: avt
      Type ,, Host "sucks a couple to ,, Kurganets"

      Type that "flower" will still serve. And this is the right decision.
      I don’t wish myself to be under the fire of an “obsolete Carnation” No. dill - please yes .
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 17 November 2017 11: 42
        +8
        Actually, I also don’t understand why write off the “carnation” if there are still no hundreds of cars tested and tested to replace it. request
        No one suggests offering “tomorrow” to write off all our tanks once they’re running around the “armature”, well, and here, except that you’ll “prank” GLONASS positioning, issue tablets with ballistic tables lol that they’d already be able to calculate with a pencil on their knees and so on. Moreover, so far only the war against ukrovermaht really shines for us, and it will be able to well pick out these entrenched “gays” and “cloves”. good
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 17 November 2017 11: 51
          +3
          Quote: Mih1974
          pick out these entrenched "gays" and "cloves" will be able to well

          Why definition Gays in respect of dill, take in quotation marks? Gays, they are gays.
          And this is still mildly tolerant.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 17 November 2017 11: 58
        +8
        I will support! By the way, in vain readers pounced on "Carnation". In Syria, they showed themselves very well, and in our Donbass.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 17 November 2017 12: 07
          +7
          Quote: Sith Lord
          I will support! By the way, in vain readers pounced on "Carnation". In Syria, they showed themselves very well, and in our Donbass.

          Thank you for your support, but I have my own opinion on Syria. Partly due to the fact that many Russians who came to us to "fight for the Russian world", having heard that they would have to sit in the trenches under shelling and possibly quack the AF for 15000 rubles, quickly gathered manat and set off to "fight ISIS" but for expensive. ..
          Not all, but very many. Those who remained, honor and respect, escaped ...

          These are such dreary thoughts in Syria.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 17 November 2017 12: 57
            +6
            Well, we’re not discussing motivation and salaries, but Gvozdika self-propelled guns.
          2. shans2
            shans2 17 November 2017 23: 34
            +3
            All this is for you, “Vanka” from Russia should do ... shame, everyone remembers how many men of military age who even have no families have fled to Russia from an unoccupied Donbass.
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 17 November 2017 23: 58
              +4
              Quote: shans2
              All this is for you, “Vanka” from Russia should do ... shame, everyone remembers how many men of military age who even have no families have fled to Russia from an unoccupied Donbass.

              They ran. And shame on them for that. But I didn’t run away, I’m fighting. And therefore, at least I mean that I have the right to count on the fact that they were coming from you, coming, and possibly still coming, ideological and motivated fighters who want to fight in Donbass not for money.
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 17 November 2017 12: 56
      0
      If it weren’t like today in the Ministry of Emergencies, money will be allocated, transferred, but there is no result (there are no apartments, there is no equipment, there is no new equipment!), And there is no money.
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 November 2017 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Type ,, Host "sucks

      And that's right.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 17 November 2017 22: 21
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And that's right.

        Colleague, the question is not the topic .. do we have 160 mm mortars left? And they are not in demand?
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2017 11: 18
    +6
    There is simply no money, but you stay here! I wish you success ... All the best! ....
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 November 2017 11: 24
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      There is simply no money, but you stay here! I wish you success ... All the best! ....

      And what is it for? For example, in AOI, artillery is much older, but no one wriggles his hands. A Carnation is a beautiful self-propelled gun.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2017 11: 26
        +1
        Unfortunately, I can’t find an article three or four years ago, in which bureaucrats from the Moscow Region advocated replacing part of the barrel artillery systems that were considered obsolete. Even projects were indicated. And now it turned out so good ....
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 17 November 2017 11: 30
          +7
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          bureaucrats from Moscow advocated for the replacement of part of the barrel artillery systems, which were considered obsolete. Even projects were indicated. And now it turned out so good ....

          What makes you think that there will be no combination new с the oldbut upgraded?
      2. Ankipelgygyrgyn
        Ankipelgygyrgyn 17 November 2017 11: 31
        +6
        Artillery does not become obsolete much longer than other weapons.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2017 11: 57
          +1
          There is a double edged sword. If you drive barmalei armed with sticks and stone axes, then ZIS-3 will be enough. And if you position yourself as a modern, armed state, then the forty-year-old system as it is no longer camille ...
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 17 November 2017 13: 11
            +7
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            if you position yourself as a modern, armed state, then forty-year-old systems are no longer camille

            And if it is a "Tulip"? The mortar, the equal of which has not been and is not for 48 years ...

            Information for consideration:
            13: 4916.11.2017 (updated: 14: 56 16.11.2017)
            MOSCOW, Nov 16 - RIA News. All Russian large-caliber mortars "Tulip" will be modernized until 2020, RIA Novosti reported


            https://ria.ru/arms/20171116/1508944872.html
          2. 73bor
            73bor 18 November 2017 21: 41
            +1
            I read many comments, but no one said that of all the "self-propelled guns", this is the only one that floats and it’s not just "+" this is an advantage in troop mobility, it’s not a "ram spur"! But modern does not mean the best, another myth, hang modern sights, modern ammunition ...!
  3. Not served
    Not served 17 November 2017 11: 24
    +1
    With this modernization, in fact, only the trunk will remain)))))
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 17 November 2017 11: 32
      +3
      Quote: Didn't serve
      With this modernization, in fact, only the trunk will remain)))))

      Trunk, Wow! Fucking, it doesn’t seem enough.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 11: 56
      +1
      Quote: Didn't serve
      With this modernization, in fact, only the trunk will remain))))

      What for ? For example, towed D-30 are replaced by "Nona-K" and "Nona-M1". Remove from the "Carnation" D-32 ... to endure the 2A51 or 2A80 ... get the "Host" ... the same "light" self-propelled gun as the "Carnation".
    3. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 17 November 2017 22: 16
      0
      External, internal rifled will be changed to more accurately executed and with a longer resource.
  4. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 17 November 2017 11: 24
    +4
    They decided to put the artillery in order, in addition to Carnations, also all the Tulips and 2С4 “Peonies” in the reserve, which they would sort and grease before the 2 of the year.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 17 November 2017 11: 45
      +4
      I smell in the morning - they are preparing for war. what It’s not for nothing that the “tulips” are pulled out of zagashniks, they are definitely preparing to “stop” the hordes of diving nuclear “chymodans”. belay
      1. Don
        Don 17 November 2017 12: 34
        +3
        Quote: Mih1974
        I smell in the morning - they are preparing for war

        If SO will be preparing for a real war against NATO, then do not escape the repetition of the 41 year. One hope in this scenario - with the help of the "dead hand" to take as many enemies as possible into the next world.
        1. shans2
          shans2 17 November 2017 23: 39
          0
          But are you in Chapaevsky probably prepared for war, with a swoop?
  5. faiver
    faiver 17 November 2017 11: 28
    +1
    all right nehai carnation serves blooms and smells hi
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 17 November 2017 11: 43
    +8
    many resources write about the modernization of our entire flower bouquet. without going into details, we can draw two conclusions: we desperately need them (NATO plans to increase the number of all types of troops on our borders); and that the idea of ​​the uselessness of artillery was dispelled.
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 November 2017 12: 10
    +2
    "For example, the Mytishchi plant produces a chassis on which the Tor anti-aircraft missile system works. Perhaps this backlog is useful,"
    Now I understand why Shilka is put up on my summer cottage route.
    Apparently her chassis was produced there.
    1. NKT
      NKT 19 November 2017 09: 53
      0
      Well, yes, from Yaroslavka it is clearly visible)
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2017 12: 22
    +8
    In Russia, the towed D-30 is now in disgrace. But "to hell" of countries armed with such weapons: the "CIS", and Africa and Asia .... In China, they are still being produced ... In Russia, full of warehouses ... You can take advantage of all this! To increase the production (offer) of "Kitolov-2M" artillery corrected artillery shells with "an increase in the stock and a decrease in the cost." To diversify the ammunition with a pair of self-aiming (cheaper) shells (like 120-mm tank shells: South Korean (defeat from the top; howitzer shooting) and American (defeat from the top, from the side; "cannon" shooting) ... and D-30 will be in demand for a long time! Warehouses in Russia will be empty, and the state budget will be replenished! Oh, and rasped, raspberries will work! fellow (PSMaybe I have to run for the State Duma?)
  9. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 17 November 2017 16: 45
    +1
    Amazing Naklnets and MO turned on the brain. Earlier, the MO made a DEBILABLE decision to abandon 122mm howitzers. True, they still managed to remove from the armament the magnificent D30 howitzer. Only VDVshniki (praise be to them) did not give her away. Serdyukovschina in action.
    1. shans2
      shans2 17 November 2017 23: 41
      0
      They did everything right, the refusal comes only from towed systems, and self-propelled will serve for a long time, different ISIS for them a lot of land is expected from Central Asia to the BV.