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Pentagon admitted losing military advantage over competitors

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The US Armed Forces are losing their superiority over competitors, in particular over Russia and China, reports RIA News statement by the head of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General Joseph Dunford.




Fragments of the speeches of the general at Tufts University in Massachusetts published on his website the Pentagon.

Dunford noted that "Russia, China and other countries have studied American methods of warfare and developed their capabilities and strategies in such a way as to minimize the advantage of the United States."

If we take as an example the naval alliance in Europe, Russia understands that transatlantic ties are extremely important for us in terms of fulfilling NATO commitments,
he said.

According to the general, “over the past 10-15 years, the superiority of the United States has become more blurred” - it is no longer as significant as before.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 17 November 2017 10: 00 New
    +4
    Armament is an important component, but there has never been a spirit in the American army, which means there were no advantages. What can I say, they fought only with the Papuans and then they lost everywhere.
    1. Logall
      Logall 17 November 2017 10: 10 New
      13
      Money! Congress, give me the money! More money for defense! - this is the whole essence of the statement !!!
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 17 November 2017 10: 14 New
        +7
        Exactly, Sanya! This is especially clear after the recent statements by Trump that everything in their army is "the most-most." wink
        1. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 17 November 2017 10: 15 New
          +2
          what money? 2016: 611 yards of the Yankees, 215 China, 70 - we .. become stingy, there is a lot of dough .. but if we talk about the insignificance of the advantage, it means we spend several times more efficiently, taking into account theft, although where it is not
          1. destination
            destination 17 November 2017 10: 17 New
            +3
            So little !!! Appetite comes with eating ... laughing
          2. Logall
            Logall 17 November 2017 10: 20 New
            +7
            Few! Gunsmiths must earn more ... They lobby for laws in the United States, start conflicts, warm up old ones, and are constantly looking for a new enemy! They are always not enough ...
            But they will play it out: such a conflict could flare up that they would remain with the defeated Pentagon ...
          3. Jedi
            Jedi 17 November 2017 10: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: dik-nsk
            what money?

            Ordinary, green ones. The generals there are competing who are richer. I do not deny that problems in their army exist, as in many countries. But if they complain with such a military budget, this can be explained only by cut and distribution in their pockets. As the saying goes: "the one with 10 billion dollars is richer than the one with only 9". wink
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 17 November 2017 19: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: dik-nsk
            but if we talk about the insignificance of the advantage,
            The chief of the KNSH of the US Armed Forces says something else:

            [quote] If you take as an example naval alliance in Europe, Russia understands that transatlantic ties extremely important to us in terms of implementation NATO commitments, -
            he said. [/ quote]


            There is * cry * of professional warriors about the impossibility, as before (10-15 years ago), to drive strategic KONs across the Atlantic with impunity. And without it, sorry, good luck to them in Europe (European theater of operations) not to be seen as their own ears. The NAC simply cannot cope with the transfer of such a mass of troops: our VKS will not allow it. And without the support of the striped, the Europoids of NATO will last no more than a week. It has been calculated more than once. And at the last maneuvers it was estimated ...
            So, the general is rightly saddened: the Russians are pressing on the sore spot with the savagery of the sadists of Zh. De * Sada ... and, apparently, they are not going to stop.
            Ага.
        2. pjastolov
          pjastolov 17 November 2017 10: 20 New
          +6
          Hello Slavs hi
          after Trump’s recent allegations that their army is "the very best."
          and the most expensive laughing
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 17 November 2017 10: 33 New
            +4
            Hello Volodya! hi
            Quote: pjastolov
            and the most expensive

            This is not even discussed. lol
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 November 2017 10: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        Money! Congress, give me the money! More money for defense! - this is the whole essence of the statement !!!

        Not only. The US military outlines its lawmakers, the borders of which are not worth crossing. In general, always one or the other army became the leader of military construction, but this went on for a rather short period of time. The competitors were catching up and a new leader appeared from whom everyone else was learning.
    2. hrych
      hrych 17 November 2017 10: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Svarog
      but there was never a spirit in the American army

      It's a delusion.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 November 2017 10: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        Quote: Svarog
        but there was never a spirit in the American army

        It's a delusion.

        Maybe you have examples when the American army showed its spirit? There, people fight purely for money and try to do it remotely.
        1. hrych
          hrych 17 November 2017 10: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          try to do it remotely.

          So there is nothing wrong with this, if the technique allows. They fought beautifully and courageously with the Japanese, beat the Chinese and Koreans in the Korean War, there was heroism in Vietnam, although they lost, they smashed Iraq, they surpass the Chinese and Arabs in their fighting qualities.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 17 November 2017 10: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: hrych
            They fought beautifully and courageously with the Japanese

            This is when atomic bombs courageously threw? When there was absolutely no need for this.
            Quote: hrych
            beat Chinese and Koreans in the Korean War


            Quote: hrych
            in their fighting qualities superior to the Chinese and Arabs clearly.

            I can’t judge the current China. And what is superior to the Arabs, then I agree. Perhaps they are only superior.
            1. hrych
              hrych 17 November 2017 11: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              This is when atomic bombs courageously threw? When there was absolutely no need for this.

              This bombardment killed a number of hares.
              1. The assault on the main Japanese islands would lead to greater losses, including the Japanese population.
              2. A demonstration was held to intimidate the USSR and not only.
              3. Weapons tested in the case, estimated damaging factors, etc.
              4. In part, the results affected the non-use of the subsequent. In the same Korea and Vietnam there were South Koreans and Saigonians - such as allies and radiation would have covered them, with American units, etc.
              5. The Japanese have decided to use their WMD, in particular bacteriological.
              You are embarrassed by the cruelty towards the civilian population, even in the form of carpet bombing, but the Germans and Japanese behaved no better towards the peaceful, but their fighting qualities are not in doubt. The Japanese in Nanjing staged a massacre and with bayonets and katans slaughtered more peaceful than both nuclear bombings. they are like knights.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 17 November 2017 11: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: hrych
                You are embarrassed by the cruelty towards the civilian population, even in the form of carpet bombing, but the Germans and Japanese behaved no better towards the peaceful, but their fighting qualities are not in doubt. The Japanese in Nanjing staged a massacre and with bayonets and katans slaughtered more peaceful than both nuclear bombings. they are like knights.

                It was a manifestation of the spirit of the American army. For this reason they were not convinced. The above facts are true, but they are not evidence of the presence of spirit in American soldiers. Treachery-Yes, deceit-Yes, meanness-Yes. Although I agree that the armies of Germany and Japan possess the same qualities. But in my opinion, the soldiers of these countries are a more serious opponent than the United States. Since the result of any war is determined by the land soldier, and the Americans have big problems with this. Vietnam is the most obvious evidence.
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 17 November 2017 10: 29 New
        0
        Quote: hrych
        It's a delusion.

        and they have many examples when they stood to death in wars? not only about single heroes (there are such heroes in any country), but in large numbers. without irony I ask, just interesting.
        1. hrych
          hrych 17 November 2017 10: 43 New
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          Pilots who killed the Japanese aces in the Great War, showed massive heroism clearly.
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 17 November 2017 11: 09 New
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            Quote: hrych
            Pilots who killed the Japanese aces in the Great War, showed massive heroism clearly.

            mmm ... skill or heroism? bring down the enemy - skill. send a downed plane at the enemy, and not jump with a parachute and get captured - heroism.
            1. hrych
              hrych 17 November 2017 11: 12 New
              +1
              For me, controlling a plane like this, and even over the ocean, landing and taking off from a ship is already heroism. Not like fighting in the sky.
            2. Town Hall
              Town Hall 17 November 2017 11: 21 New
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              Quote: K0
              Quote: hrych
              Pilots who killed the Japanese aces in the Great War, showed massive heroism clearly.

              mmm ... skill or heroism? bring down the enemy - skill. send a downed plane at the enemy, and not jump with a parachute and get captured - heroism.



              Kozhedub or Pokoyshkin doesn’t mean heroes? .. and only if they could be dead?
              1. Cxnumx
                Cxnumx 17 November 2017 11: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Town Hall
                Kozhedub or Pokoyshkin doesn’t mean heroes? .. and only if they could be dead?

                OK, Ivan Ivanov, who made 1 sortie and shot down an enemy hero or professional?
                soldier Kolya Kolin who fell into battle 1 time and destroyed a hero or lucky enemy 1?
                and thousands of sailors on an aircraft carrier who have never seen the enemy heroes or participants?
                heroes? then there are no questions: all soldiers in the army are automatic heroes.
                or is “heroism” something else?
                Quote: hrych
                For me, controlling a plane like this, and even over the ocean, landing and taking off from a ship is already heroism. Not like fighting in the sky.

                Yes, it’s not easy to fly an airplane; it requires skill. but I do not agree that the heroism of the pilot or submariner is more than a simple soldier. and not all of them have pilots in the army. amers have enough skill, they train them well. but with a spirit - I’m not sure, except that war will come to them on earth - then it is possible.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 November 2017 11: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        Quote: Svarog
        but there was never a spirit in the American army

        It's a delusion.

        Well, yes, I agree ........ sad
    3. stolz
      stolz 17 November 2017 10: 19 New
      +3
      The US Armed Forces are losing their superiority over competitors, in particular over Russia and China, reports RIA Novosti a statement by the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General Joseph Dunford.

      How do the States flatter themselves! Is it possible to lose what has never happened?
      1. chidoryan
        chidoryan 17 November 2017 10: 25 New
        +2
        since the collapse of the USSR, they have had a clear advantage over any country. Only a camel will deny it.
    4. Orel
      Orel 17 November 2017 10: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      Armament is an important component, but there has never been a spirit in the American army, which means there were no advantages. What can I say, they fought only with the Papuans and then they lost everywhere.


      Well, if the war with the Germans and Japanese over the ocean is a war with the Papuans, then you are right. It only turns out that during the Second World War we fought with the Papuans, because the Germans were both there and there. I in no way refuse the Germans and Japanese in the fighting spirit and traditions, but did you equate them to the Papuans, or did some other Germans and Japanese fight the USA ???
      1. mihey
        mihey 17 November 2017 10: 51 New
        0
        Is it with the Germans they fought? In Egypt, probably? Yes? Well, and what successes have you achieved? About the pilots, the only thing above was said correctly. And the coolest victories are Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
        1. Orel
          Orel 17 November 2017 11: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: mihey
          Is it with the Germans that they fought? In Egypt, probably? Yes? Well, and what successes have you achieved?


          I’m even a little ashamed to correct you for such a "knowledge" of history. Sorry for the possible arrogance here, but Italy and France ??? And do not forget that it is across the ocean in a situation where the United States had only 3 infantry divisions at the beginning of World War II. Create a multi-million army during the war, arm it, transport it across the ocean, and at the same time supply and fight the Germans and Japanese. This is probably the "lack of fighting spirit and military traditions" is.
          1. mihey
            mihey 17 November 2017 11: 50 New
            +1
            Well, when were the fighting in Italy and France? What Wehrmacht troops opposed them? There, probably, very large-scale military operations were conducted, that the Anglo-American troops became the main (exceptional) winner of World War II. And one could argue about actions on theater of operations against the Japanese. That they would have killed the Kwantung army and there would have been no questions, and since the Japanese Air Force and Navy had knocked out EVERYTHING. And do not talk about the tales of the creation of a multimillion-strong army - the goal of this army from creation to this moment is to squeeze territories and resources from a weakened or frankly weak enemy.
            1. Orel
              Orel 17 November 2017 12: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: mihey
              Well, when were the fighting in Italy and France? What Wehrmacht troops opposed them? There, probably, very large-scale military operations were conducted, that the Anglo-American troops became the main (exceptional) winner of World War II.


              In 1943 and 1944, if the United States take. If England and France, then the war was fought since 1939, and in the case of England, so this country fought the longest with Germany. With this you hope you will not argue. When bombs rained down on London, Molotov wrote congratulatory telegrams to Hitler and sent resources for the German military industry. These are historical facts. Will you argue too? The main burden of the military was assumed by the USSR. No one argues with this, but the Western Front cannot be forgotten. There is not much information on the ratio of divisions there. For some reason, this is almost absent in the Russian segment of the Internet. Hard to find very. But as far as I remember about 150 German divisions. This is a serious force. And if it were used against the USSR, it would be much more difficult for us. I do not argue with this either. And the significance of Lend-Lease for the USSR cannot be understated. Deliveries in absolute numbers may seem insignificant, but unscrupulous historians do so, because the USSR demanded CRITICALLY important goods and raw materials according to Lend-Lease. Especially in the chemical industry and automobiles. Zhukov once said that if it were not for supplies, then by 1942 the army would have nothing to shoot. The motorization of the USSR army in its overwhelming part was provided by foreign freight transport. I hope you do not need to explain the importance of motorization for the effectiveness of the war in that period? Therefore, it is necessary to separate. In 1941-1944, help from the West provided Russia with the opportunity to resist in industrial terms, to provide military action. This was especially important at the beginning of the war. When evacuating industry. We invested the main military component in the victory, but the production component was seriously dependent on Western aid. Food only how much set. An army cannot fight without supplies, and supplies and production without an army cannot win the war. Therefore, I believe that we won together, in the industrial sense the decisive contribution seriously depended on help, and in the military part we carried the main burden.
              1. mihey
                mihey 17 November 2017 12: 34 New
                +1
                Why compare fat and bald? I tell you about the fighting, and you tell me about the MTO from the mericatos. Once again I will ask the question: so what SCALE military operations were conducted by the Anglo-Americans? Rommel drove through the African desert? In China, hollowed the Japanese? Or stupidly bombarded the islands and then landed there troops for stripping?
                PS: And you must definitely forget about how much these fighters were stolen in the same Africa, Italy, France, Germany and are now exhibited in museums in England and the USA. The robbery and weakening of their opponents: Japan, Germany and the USSR - this is the goal that stood and which the Anglo-Saxons achieved.
                1. Orel
                  Orel 17 November 2017 12: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: mihey
                  Why compare fat and bald? I tell you about the fighting, and you tell me about the MTO from the mericatos.


                  These things cannot be considered separately, as this leads to biased conclusions.

                  Quote: mihey
                  Once again I will ask the question: so what SCALE military operations were conducted by the Anglo-Americans?


                  The entire Western theater of operations is an example to you. Why are you asking about what you and I know?

                  Quote: mihey
                  Rommel drove through the African desert? In China, hollowed the Japanese? Or stupidly bombarded the islands and then landed there troops for stripping?


                  Slaughtered the Japanese in the Pacific. Or do you think that it would be better if Japan attacked the USSR ??? If Japan had not started a war with the United States, then it would have attacked the USSR. Just that this did not happen is a huge help. Will you argue? Take a closer look at the Battle of Moscow and where the troops came from to defend Moscow at a critical moment. From the Far East. And why did they come from there ??? Because the USSR already knew that Japan would not attack, but rather focus on the war in the Pacific, possibly with the United States, which happened by December 7, 1941.

                  Quote: mihey
                  The robbery and weakening of their opponents: Japan, Germany and the USSR - this is the goal that stood and which the Anglo-Saxons achieved.


                  This is already propaganda cliches went. Not a serious conversation.
                  1. mihey
                    mihey 17 November 2017 12: 57 New
                    0
                    Do you recall your first post or you yourself can read it? And with the "propaganda cliches" more careful, please. My phrase is an objective reality, which allows the states to declare their "exclusivity": they profited and rose in two world wars, participating in them with a minimum of soldiers and a maximum of finances. The morale of US financial "soldiers" is a value that no one will ever surpass. But about the army it’s better and don’t say anything, because there’s nothing but a dozen episodes for the entire period of World War II.
                    1. Orel
                      Orel 17 November 2017 15: 18 New
                      +1
                      Quote: mihey
                      Do you recall your first post or you yourself can read it?


                      I was once a hostage to absolute propaganda. And I do not deny it. I watched our TV a lot, RUSSIA 24, Solovyov, Satanovsky, and then I somehow decided to study the history itself in more detail. I got carried away. I didn’t find many connections. Here you know how to tangle. The main thread to find and pull to start. In general, in the end, my picture of the world turned out to be a complete lie and propaganda. I believed in nonsense and considered it to be true, but everything turned out to be completely different. If you master all of my messages entirely, then I think you will follow the changes.
                      1. not main
                        not main 17 November 2017 20: 02 New
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                        Quote: Orel
                        If you master all of my messages entirely, then I think you will follow the changes.

                        Yes already traced. But not the changes, but the "main line".
      2. dSK
        dSK 17 November 2017 11: 02 New
        +3
        "Sow a habit, reap a character, sow a character reap a fate." The states are used to raking in heat with the wrong hands - if they gather a crowd of 20 for one, and find a "possessed" like Hitler to lead the crowd in Europe or Asia - there will be a "big war." They will not attack Russia openly.
        Mercenary saboteurs, GMOs, chemical products, all kinds of drugs, African swine fever, juvenile, dozens of sects for every taste, blue-pink, nude, etc. etc. hi
      3. PPD
        PPD 17 November 2017 11: 08 New
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        The Germans, as I understand it, 44. So take an interest in how the landing took place in real life. Especially the airborne assault. All combat-ready units are on the eastern front. By the way. And Germany was not going to fight seriously with the USA. The main idea is to restrain Russia. Wrote, read, just something familiar right, as if somewhere I constantly hear ... laughing
        This is about Germany. Japan country-personal opinion is much funnier.
        Why are they attacked the United States is a mystery. Then go to the end - land in California
        All of their justifications for me end almost immediately. When I start to compare the military and economic potential, etc. .. But rightly they say Japan is a different culture, we don’t understand. lol There, the entire land war was reduced to landing operations on the islands.
        By our standards, small. There is a desire to compare with Stalingrad?
        Or if it is Germany and Japan, is that all - automatically a harsh experience?
        Yes, they are not Papuans, so what?
  2. destination
    destination 17 November 2017 10: 01 New
    +4

    Again denyuzhka needed ... laughing laughing laughing
  3. Primoos
    Primoos 17 November 2017 10: 03 New
    +3
    Every day is not Sunday. Fingers are accustomed to spreading, it’s time to spread the fingers. Pin.dos gradually comes to understand that this time they will not sit overseas. Their cities will burn no worse than European ones. If they again lead the WORLD to war.
  4. Loess
    Loess 17 November 2017 10: 09 New
    +1
    Probably a small budget ...
    1. Orel
      Orel 17 November 2017 10: 38 New
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      Quote: Less
      Probably a small budget ...


      It is not a budget as such, but a real purchase of military equipment. In absolute terms, China and Russia purchase and put on combat alert much more units of new military equipment than the United States. In the US, they are simply much more expensive. Therefore, Dunford quite rightly notes that in terms of militarization rates, countries such as China and Russia are seriously overtaking the United States in all arms classes, with the exception of the fleet alone. Even the purchase of new aircraft is not the US leader.
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 17 November 2017 10: 12 New
    +2
    And it seems to me the whole thing is in the grandmothers! The more they whine, the more Congress allocates funds to the army! It's as old as the world! I have already seen and read a lot of different information on the topic of the coolness of Russian weapons! And the question immediately arises why would our "partners" praise our weapons so much ?! The answer, as they say on the surface
  6. chidoryan
    chidoryan 17 November 2017 10: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Armament is an important component, but there has never been a spirit in the American army, which means there were no advantages. What can I say, they fought only with the Papuans and then they lost everywhere.

    where is "everywhere?"
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 17 November 2017 10: 24 New
    +2
    According to the general, “over the past 10-15 years, US superiority has become more blurred”

    Excellence Where and in What? Do they console themselves? In the late 90s, I agree, it was the beginning of the end of the mess in the army. But now excuse me .. What can they do - to fit a carrier group to a knowingly weak enemy? Or RT ban? It was in vain that Trump was on a tour of Southeast Asia for 2 weeks (the president was absent for the first time) and asked for a request - let them deal with the DPRK. An indicator of weakness, although the club is still that ..
    Judging by the actions, he did not achieve much success.
  8. Simon
    Simon 17 November 2017 10: 46 New
    0
    “How much rope do not curl, but the end will still be” - a Russian proverb. Many countries have already learned the methods of Washington’s war and have already developed and apply countermeasures. wink
  9. Simon
    Simon 17 November 2017 10: 49 New
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    Quote: chidoryan
    Quote: Svarog
    Armament is an important component, but there has never been a spirit in the American army, which means there were no advantages. What can I say, they fought only with the Papuans and then they lost everywhere.

    where is "everywhere?"

    In Vietnam, my friend, in Vietnam! fool
  10. Simon
    Simon 17 November 2017 10: 53 New
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    Quote: K0
    Quote: hrych
    It's a delusion.

    and they have many examples when they stood to death in wars? not only about single heroes (there are such heroes in any country), but in large numbers. without irony I ask, just interesting.

    Yes many! In Hollywood movies. bully wassat
  11. Simon
    Simon 17 November 2017 11: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Svarog
    but there was never a spirit in the American army

    It's a delusion.

    Maybe you have examples when the American army showed its spirit? There, people fight purely for money and try to do it remotely.

    I agree! What is the spirit of the Americans, and even for the money, they are fleeing the battlefield, if a worthy opponent Syria has shown it. When the Syrian army, with the support of our air forces, began to advance, the Americans "made legs" and abandoned their "students." laughing
  12. Shadow of darkness
    Shadow of darkness 17 November 2017 11: 02 New
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    Lying like breathing! He just wants to get some more money.
  13. Simon
    Simon 17 November 2017 11: 04 New
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    Quote: Logall
    Money! Congress, give me the money! More money for defense! - this is the whole essence of the statement !!!

    Of course, because they have a printing press and does not turn off! laughing
  14. gridasov
    gridasov 18 November 2017 19: 09 New
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    Let them turn to Ilon Mask. His latest applications will allow the use of technology for military purposes and to bring the power of the army to a new level. But then no one would have allowed him so loudly to make unreasonable applications, and most importantly, inopportune. So it turns out that everyone is bluffing big.