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Russians will hit NATO and win

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The United States has military means to counter the capabilities of the Russian army in the proposed European theater of operations. However, the United States and NATO do not have enough forces for "frontal confrontation" with Moscow. The most experienced American experts in such issues, including generals with a large number of stars on shoulder straps, say this.




Russia can defeat NATO in the war, says well-known analyst Dave Majumdar. He writes about this on the pages of the magazine "The National Interest".

Lisa Sawyer Samp, Art. Researcher at the International Security Program at CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Washington), believes that there is a real gap in the military capabilities of the United States and Russia, which is characteristic of Central and Eastern Europe. Moscow “simply cannot keep pace with Washington around the world, as the Soviet Union once did,” the article notes. “I want to express myself clearly: the Russian military machine is not a Goliath at all,” Lisa says ironically. At the same time, the Russians, who cannot afford to confront the United States with a “global” challenge, have “advanced capabilities” that, as can be seen already today, can challenge the United States and its allies “at the regional level”.

The United States has the tools to cover the areas of the proposed European theater of war, which would have to block access to the Russian army. America has the means of opposition, that is, by blocking the Russian zones of A2 / AD in Europe. However, the US does not have the means for head-on opposition to the “new bastions” of Moscow. Moreover, the US military relies too much on its air power in overcoming Russian threats. (Recall, the abbreviation A2 / AD, anti-access and area denial, stands for restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver.)

"We have the tools, and at the same time we have almost none, and the speed with which we need to destroy the A2 / AD foci in order to get the opportunity to deploy our forces will be controlled by the depth of our penetration in the A2 / AD area," recently retired US Air Force general Philip Breedlove, former commander of NATO forces in Europe. Now "we are almost completely dependent" on air forces in the context of the A2 / AD problem, the general noted.

However, Air Force forces may not be enough. Breedlove suggests that the US Army should play a certain role in the fight “against the Russian threat A2 / AD”. The general stands for powerful and "long-range" ground forces that could strike "from the ground" and have the possibility of "dense fire."

However, Breedlove did not specify how such “ground capabilities” he is talking about would be compatible with the Intermediate Range Nuclear Weapons Treaty (INF), which banned ground-based ballistic and cruise missiles with a range from 500 to 5500 kilometers . It is possible, the analyst notes, that Breedlove had in mind weaponwhich is subject to the INF Treaty and is similar to the Russian Iskander-M.

Breedlove suggested something else: in his opinion, NATO should explore the possibility of creating its own A2 / AD capabilities. Bridlov finds the Russian A2 / AD zones “offensive” and invites the United States to respond “in kind.” The solution to the “abusive” would be to create “our own capabilities to prevent access,” says Breedlove.

Evelyn Farkas, who until recently held the post of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia, said that Moscow is modernizing its defense forces, but compared to the United States, the Kremlin’s planned military investment of about 700 billions in 10 years is relatively insignificant. " At the same time, Moscow approached military spending "strategically". Money goes "not in all directions". Farkas finds that Russian spending is “very clever”, expanding its capabilities in certain key areas. She listed cruise missiles, air defense systems, etc., in a word, exactly what creates a “serious problem” for America and its allies in Europe.

Lisa Semp of CSIS noted that Russia either already has or is beginning to receive benefits in three key areas. This is A2 / AD, the war with weapons and electronic warfare. “These opportunities should be taken into account in future plans for army planning and procurement,” the expert believes.

American and European officials are worried about Russia's nuclear saber-rattling of nuclear warheads, but Evelyn Farkas does not think that the Russian military machine, with its “escalation for the sake of de-escalation”, does not necessarily focus on the tactical use of nuclear weapons.

“In fact, this is not the case,” she says. And it reminds that Moscow can use cyberspaces, space, and can undertake something that will turn the tide to a point where the US or European allies will no longer intervene.

On the other hand, Farkas also acknowledged that “de-escalation” may include the threat of a nuclear baton or even a strike of the latter.

In the meantime, we add, the “alarm” of NATO members because of Russia is growing every day.

The latest NATO tension is connected precisely with the modernization of Russian nuclear weapons. The Alliance believes that such a thing can not be left unanswered, because the violation of parity may well lead to bad political consequences. It is time to act! But how?

Other NATO states have no doubt that Russia behaves in the style of the Cold War. So it was forty years ago, when the P-14 missiles were replaced with RSD-10. It was then that I had to place American Persings in Europe as a response to the Russians. And now write other observers should "do something." True, what exactly to do in NATO do not know. It is believed that today's Europe does not have an air defense shield that would be able to stop the upgraded Russian missiles.

Maybe give up?

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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 November 2017 07: 03
    21
    "I want to express myself clearly: the Russian military machine is not Goliath at all," Lisa says ironically.
    and then suddenly
    We have tools, and at the same time we have almost none

    Is it that according to the principle - "I am so unpredictable today"? A woman analyzing the military balance of power is already nonsense.
    1. Mart
      20 November 2017 07: 17
      +6
      About "tools" said General Breedlove. Quote from the material:
      "We have the tools, and at the same time we have almost none, and the speed with which we need to destroy the A2 / AD foci in order to get the opportunity to deploy our forces will be controlled by the depth of our penetration in the A2 / AD area," recently retired US Air Force general Philip Breedlove, former commander of NATO forces in Europe.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 20 November 2017 07: 20
        +2
        Oleg, thanks for the amendment. Something blundered and lost attention. But in principle, this does not change the essence of my comment.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 November 2017 08: 28
          +4
          There are tools. However, the "speed" of these tools, i.e. time for the "cycle of defeat" does not satisfy palkovodtsev.
          Moreover, they are not satisfied with the number of these tools. Palkovodtsy in general, rightly believe that the greater the depth of penetration into the "Prohibition Zone", the more targets will appear and the probability of their defeat will be less.

          That is, in fact, Bridlaw claims that existing tools allow you to "climb" only to a small depth and at the same time operate with small forces.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 20 November 2017 10: 34
            +5
            Everyone has the tools!

            Will Europe withstand the second migrant wave even more powerful .. or the European Caliphate ??
            American generals create imaginary threats to Europe by working for the US military-industrial complex and forcing Europe to arm itself and buy American weapons. Recently, Poland was put on 10 Lyamov Patriots.
            Again, Turkey and the southern flank of NATO. It came to the Turks. That they do not see the EU as their ears and in NATO they are needed because of their geographical location
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 20 November 2017 11: 00
              12
              Quote: To be or not to be
              US generals create imaginary threats

              You do not quite understand the essence of American generals. For them, according to their terminology, the possible “restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver” is that along the sea borders of China, that along the Russian borders there is an “insult”, an attempt on the foundations and total injustice that needs to be eliminated.
              In this they resemble apartment thieves demanding to ban locks and bars on windows.
    2. iouris
      iouris 20 November 2017 23: 59
      0
      If the Russians hit first, they have a chance. If the Russians do not hit first, then the Russian Federation will not save anything. But the victory of the Russian Federation is impossible, we do not have a socio-economic project. On the contrary, the United States has the clear goal of remaining the only developing society on the planet.
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 21 November 2017 00: 13
        +2
        Whoever hits first - there will be no winners. Well, except cockroaches and some ciliates. The planet will breathe freely, hundreds of two years after the nuclear nightmare.
        1. iouris
          iouris 21 November 2017 00: 35
          +3
          If the Russians dare to rebuild the country, then the united country will have an opportunity for development and the threat of global annihilation will recede. Otherwise, the US will strangle the rest of the world with its consumption.
      2. Sedoi zmei
        Sedoi zmei 21 November 2017 15: 25
        0
        Quote: iouris
        The United States has a clear goal of remaining the only developing society on the planet.

        They have a goal ... But they will not succeed in "staying"! wink You forgot about the Russian system "Perimeter" (a dead hand, as the Americans call it), which will respond even in the event of the destruction of ALL Russian control centers! So ... Really - there will be no winners!
        1. iouris
          iouris 22 November 2017 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Sedoi Zmei
          You forgot about the Russian system

          The system is Soviet. She didn’t work.
          1. Sedoi zmei
            Sedoi zmei 14 February 2018 09: 57
            0
            Those who believe that this system "died" with the end of the Cold War, like the American "Mirror" system, are mistaken! The "perimeter" is on alert. Moreover, recently the system has been modernized and now operates already with the help of an automatic intellectual program embedded in it (that is, to exclude the human factor, the system is controlled by artificial intelligence).
  2. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 20 November 2017 07: 28
    +1
    As in the good old days of the twentieth century, the Americans, having lost their European allies, will go on the defensive on the North American continent and the British Isles ....
  3. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 November 2017 09: 08
    +3
    Or maybe even begin to demilitarize the European continent? The bonfire is already smoldering and the smoke is eating the eyes of the whole of Europe. No one will be able to sit out, and even beyond the ocean!
    1. demo
      demo 20 November 2017 10: 45
      12
      But "overseas" they do not want to understand this.
      They built their strategy on the basis of the principle - substitute your ally, and let him carry me through.
      For the presence of such a number of US military bases outside the borders of their country does not mean that these bases can perform the functions of protecting certain "democratic values" from a mythical threat. The bases are mainly aimed at providing military assistance to their satellites. And control over them.
      Militarily, a base is a convenient target for a disarming first strike.
      But the number of bases is quite large.

      The Russian problem is different.
      We are fighting alone for the preservation of our country, our worldview, our identity.
      The whole gang is fighting with us.
      But the most important thing is different.
      It is not necessary to relieve responsibility of those who allowed the deployment of means of attack on us on their territory.
      They will still be rewarded.
      But the first one to get the full program, and this should sound clear and uncompromising, is the Americans.
      This has been forgotten by them since the Caribbean crisis.
      Need to be reminded.
      1. George Vasilich
        George Vasilich 20 November 2017 13: 24
        11
        The whole gang is fighting with us.

        A wolf pack attack defense strategy is to identify and kill its leading female. The rest without it just scatter.
        In our case, this female is known ...
        It is not necessary to relieve responsibility of those who allowed the deployment of means of attack on us on their territory.

        So.
        First you need to publicly declare that in the event of a threat of a nuclear conflict between Russia and the United States, we will strike a nuclear strike at American missile defense bases in Romania and Poland, nuclear weapons depots in Germany, bases for deploying strategic bombers and US warships with nuclear weapons. At the same time, name specific addresses of targets and the allocated power of warheads, areas of calculated destruction of local residents (as a humane warning for advance evacuation).
        Now, when the whole densely populated Europe begins to rush about in search of safe places, the locals will begin to take out Americans from their settled places “on forks” ...
        1. kill the fascist
          kill the fascist 20 November 2017 20: 29
          0
          publicly our military and politicians have repeatedly stated to the Poles and Romanians that by placing elements of pro on their territory, they thereby expose themselves to our preventive strike, should that happen. that's just the result is zero.
          1. George Vasilich
            George Vasilich 21 November 2017 15: 53
            0
            Quote: Kill the fascist
            publicly our military and politicians have repeatedly declared to the Poles and Romanians ... but the result is zero.

            Wrong level.
            It is necessary to declare officially. And Putin must do it. They will hear him ...
        2. Arakius
          Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 31
          +1
          First you need to publicly declare that in the event of a threat of a nuclear conflict between Russia and the United States, we will strike a nuclear strike at American missile defense bases in Romania and Poland, nuclear weapons depots in Germany, bases for deploying strategic bombers and US warships with nuclear weapons. At the same time, name specific addresses of targets and the allocated power of warheads, areas of calculated destruction of local residents (as a humane warning for advance evacuation).
          Now, when the whole densely populated Europe begins to rush about in search of safe places, the locals will begin to take out Americans from their settled places “on forks” ...

          Wrong level.
          It is necessary to declare officially. And Putin must do it. They will hear him ...

          What a naive view of the question. With this statement, Russia will confirm its status of an aggressive crazy country created by Western propaganda. And Europeans, instead of wetting their fears to run away, will rally around the United States and begin to actively arm themselves (as they already did during the Cold War after the Caribbean crisis)
      2. Jblack
        Jblack 20 November 2017 23: 18
        0
        What to remind, the perching in Turkey, so they already exist, in the Baltic states, which are much closer to Moscow than under the Union, only to the urapatriots, the Union was united and at the same time divided, enterprises throughout the union needed more strength, and now there is no Moscow with 16000000 population + agglomeration, and what will happen ??? And there will be an escape of the Way to the Urals, Gundyaya on a yacht, well, and our aircraft will wait and receive Lyuli from NATO, and then it will see how you take all the Berdanks and will have the right to win, without rear, without supply, without allies. Musch of the Russian Federation is nuclear weapons, and everything else is a sham and a show-off, the Americans almost always finish it with weapons or money, and we, gunpowder are sitting on the dill, weighed Igilovtsev, but .... and before that Georgia, laughter and tears. So a better world.
      3. Arakius
        Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 28
        +1
        We are fighting alone for the preservation of our country, our worldview, our identity.

        Who are you? Russia is now a capitalist country with formally democratic governance, its elite keeps children and money in the West and professes Western values
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 21 November 2017 21: 35
      0
      can demilitarize the US army?
  4. Essex62
    Essex62 20 November 2017 09: 20
    +4
    The horror story of the Russian threat, the lack of means to repel the blow of the RF Armed Forces - what are they about? Why should we attack, what is the purpose? Grab the geyropu, then what would it feed? Do not meddle and you will not be touched.
    1. George Vasilich
      George Vasilich 20 November 2017 13: 06
      +2
      Why then feed her?
      Let reparations pay. Until the end of centuries.
  5. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 20 November 2017 09: 54
    +3
    Katz always offered to give up!

  6. vlad007
    vlad007 20 November 2017 11: 10
    +1
    For the United States, European countries are a market for military equipment and this explains everything. Of course, American generals will always say that they in Europe do not have everything necessary for a full-fledged Russian response.
    For us, military equipment is jobs at the best enterprises, many of which are city-forming, and we will always strive to ensure that they are provided with work. Fine! It should be so!
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 20 November 2017 11: 13
    +5
    Inform war is in full swing. But all of these analytical excrement is designed more for the mattress inhabitant, in order to feed him by showing us that axis of evil. There is only one thing ... but an Internet, which means that not only special services and all kinds of analysts in the USA use alternative sources.
  8. segamegament
    segamegament 20 November 2017 11: 45
    +1
    Feed then these parasites, who need them, let them give up to their gays and stop multiplying, oh, there will be gar! But do not take anyone prisoner! We remember everything with Czechs and Slovaks ...)
  9. K-50
    K-50 20 November 2017 12: 08
    0
    Kremlin’s planned military investment of about $ 700 billion over 10 years

    This is for ALL AF, Navy and VKS, so do not worry. You have special dressing paper for soldiers, plus diapers. yes lol
  10. George Vasilich
    George Vasilich 20 November 2017 13: 04
    +1
    Moscow “simply cannot keep up with Washington around the world, as the Soviet Union once did,” the article says.

    But why?
    It is enough to crave for the United States and its bases in Europe, how it all ends right there ...
    The rest will just give up. They are still warriors.
    Or maybe just a direct threat. Like during the Caribbean crisis.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 20 November 2017 14: 28
      +4
      In the Caribbean Crisis, the corn-goose was laid out. To pass such a starting position, for the dubious concessions of the Masons .......
  11. Shuttle
    Shuttle 20 November 2017 14: 12
    +8
    "I want to express myself clearly: the Russian military machine is not Goliath at all," Lisa says ironically.

    Oddly, not really Goliath. The Russian military machine is a small, nimble, well-mannered, trained and, importantly, courageous, resolute and accurate David.
  12. Azkii339
    Azkii339 20 November 2017 15: 47
    0
    However, the USA also does not have the means to confront head-on the “new bastions” of Moscow.

    So it’s not always necessary and generally undesirable to rub into the frontal head, isn’t it?
  13. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 20 November 2017 16: 06
    +3
    The latest NATO tension is connected precisely with the modernization of Russian nuclear weapons. The Alliance believes that such a thing can not be left unanswered, because the violation of parity may well lead to bad political consequences. It is time to act! But how?

    Come on from NATO, they believe that they (NATO) can destroy Russia 10 times, and after modernizing their nuclear weapons, Russia can destroy NATO countries 11 times. And if so, then it is time to act. Come on, you will not care who will destroy whom many times. Man is dying of everything ONCE.
    This is exactly what (what they go about you) and scary.
  14. Holsten
    Holsten 20 November 2017 16: 19
    0
    "Now" we are almost completely dependent "on air forces in the context of the A2 / AD problem." Breedlove suggests that US forces should play a role in the fight against the “Russian A2 / AD threat.” The general advocates powerful and “long-range” ground forces that could strike “from the ground” and have the possibility of “dense fire.”
    And after the ground forces, it will be possible to launch stealth bombers without fear and guaranteed to gain air superiority. The infantry forward, and after it the planes - I trudge in mute delight.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 20 November 2017 20: 09
      +2
      It seems to me that he had something else in mind - their aircraft "do not dance" against our air defense system, so he speaks for the ground forces. Only there is one BUT - they never fought like that. First, massive carpet bombing, and then infantry. Only with Russia this option does not roll. Even their vaunted berets with a slight rebuff immediately stand in place and scream for help, causing aviation. They always fought against countries that had virtually no air defense. Actually, that's why they are afraid to attack Russia, otherwise it would have already begun a long time ago ...
      1. Arakius
        Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 34
        +1
        their aircraft "do not dance" against our air defense system

        Arab-Israeli wars proved back. Yes, and the operation in Syria, when Israeli aviation, using the terrain screen, easily avoided detection by Russian air defense and attacked Assad’s targets, a confirmation of this
    2. Grandfather Eugene
      Grandfather Eugene 20 November 2017 20: 11
      +1
      “Infantry forward, followed by planes” Judging from the situation, this meat (infantry) will be Vasal, whether the Baltic people use democracy for free, it’s time to pay off their patriotic duty to the golden calf.
  15. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 20 November 2017 22: 17
    0
    Most importantly, the states would know and feel that they would not sit out untouched by the ocean. Nuclear weapons on both sides are enough to destroy the Earth several times. Mars number 2.
  16. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 20 November 2017 22: 20
    0
    Quote: helmi8
    It seems to me that he had something else in mind - their aircraft "do not dance" against our air defense system, so he speaks for the ground forces. Only there is one BUT - they never fought like that. First, massive carpet bombing, and then infantry. Only with Russia this option does not roll. Even their vaunted berets with a slight rebuff immediately stand in place and scream for help, causing aviation. They always fought against countries that had virtually no air defense. Actually, that's why they are afraid to attack Russia, otherwise it would have already begun a long time ago ...

    They are constrained by one thing - a nuclear shield or a nuclear club, which equalizes the chances of victory - no one needs a victory at this cost.
  17. master2
    master2 20 November 2017 23: 47
    0
    I can reassure everyone present, there will be no war between Russia and NATO. Firstly, the USA and Europe do not need this in FIG (unless you listen to horror stories on TV, of course), and secondly, attacks from Russia will lead to suicide, and thank God there are still sober people who understand this (or are wary) and not cheers with the slogans "yes, we will tear all", etc.
    1. Puma
      Puma 21 November 2017 03: 32
      +3
      Do not expect to sell these beads a second time. In 87-90, we have already heard from sober people that nobody needs FIG. It turned out we needed some more. There will be a war anyway. But the time, place and composition of the participants is still an open question ...
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 21 November 2017 07: 31
        0
        Quote: Cougar
        There will be a war anyway. But the time, place and composition of the participants is still an open question ...

        The participants are known to all and time can be calculated ...
        The nature of the war - just all the inhabitants of the Earth "turn off the light", forever and all ....
        1. Puma
          Puma 21 November 2017 21: 03
          +1
          That is why the composition of the participants and so on is unknown. Collision will be mediated. And about "turn off the light" - let the head ache in the States. This is a very convenient position - but if that, we will finish off the ball. Why not stand on it for us? Saving the whole world, once we have already given up. And, mind you, no one appreciated this.
      2. Sedoi zmei
        Sedoi zmei 21 November 2017 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Cougar
        There will be a war anyway.

        I said above - I’ll repeat ... Knowing that Russia has a Perimeter system that will GUARANTEEDly respond with a nuclear strike even with the complete destruction of the entire command structure of the Russian troops - only suicides can start a war with Russia!
        1. Puma
          Puma 21 November 2017 21: 22
          0
          There is nothing GUARANTEED in this world. Do you have it at full automation without the possibility of impact and shutdown? And the elements of which it consists are eternal? Here we had a wandering start. And where is he now? Anglo-Saxons from the top of the world without a fight will not leave. This is an axiom. This is contrary to their history, culture and inner nature. Everything else is a probabilistic question.
          1. Sedoi zmei
            Sedoi zmei 22 November 2017 08: 56
            0
            That's the trick that it "stands on full automation"! Naturally, there is a possibility of disconnection! But who will turn it off?!? After all, this is the only thing that keeps the Anglo-Saxons from war now! The State Department is blowing into the ears of the population about the invincibility of the American army and the preemptive strike - but uncles with big stars are well aware that the answer will arrive anyway! Therefore stsut rypat ... wink
            1. Puma
              Puma 25 November 2017 21: 50
              0
              If something can be turned off, you can never completely exclude the possibility that it will be done. New Gorbachev, for example. Or a group of lower-ranking Gorbachevs. In addition, it is not in vain that they consistently and steadily approach us at distances that allow us to cover our missiles right in the mines ...
              And we also helped Ukraine to help them. If Kazakhstan follows Nazarbayev, the picture will be very sad ...
  18. shinobi
    shinobi 21 November 2017 02: 19
    0
    One single question, why? After 10-15 years, they’ll all be there and they’ll look into the eyes. This is the case so that as if the Old Lady of Geyropa herself did not ask to come in and put things in order. The refugees have already passed the initial adaptation stage, after stages of self-organization will begin to bend.
  19. alekseymartin
    alekseymartin 21 November 2017 15: 57
    0
    God forgive me for my stupidity, I didn’t understand anything ...
    There is almost no roofing felts, it seems here yesterday or the day after tomorrow but not everywhere, but nearby in the distance on a deserted surface right in the sea .....
  20. George Vasilich
    George Vasilich 21 November 2017 16: 04
    0
    Quote: JBlack
    Mosch of the Russian Federation is nuclear weapons, and everything else is a sham and a show off

    But nuclear weapons are not enough?
    15 minutes and there is not only NATO, but also Europe.
    And about the "props and show-offs" let them check ... am
    If the demonstrations in Syria, just two aviation regiments and several ships are few ...

    Something I did not hear that from clients madhouses let out.
    1. Arakius
      Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 24
      +1
      And after 15 minutes, Russia will not ....
  21. George Vasilich
    George Vasilich 21 November 2017 16: 38
    0
    Quote: alekseymartin
    God forgive me for my stupidity, I didn’t understand anything ...
    There is almost no roofing felts, it seems here yesterday or the day after tomorrow but not everywhere, but nearby in the distance on a deserted surface right in the sea .....

    Already forgiven ...
    It has long been enough in Russia to impersonate an idiot and many will consider you to be a man of God, a blessed prophet ...
  22. George Vasilich
    George Vasilich 21 November 2017 16: 50
    0
    Quote: shinobi
    One single question, why? After 10-15 years, they’ll all be there and they’ll look into the eyes. This is the case so that as if the Old Lady of Geyropa herself did not ask to come in and put things in order. The refugees have already passed the initial adaptation stage, after stages of self-organization will begin to bend.

    So then everything will happen.
    Realizing that their boasted "civilization" came full of kirdyk, and in their slavish weak-willed freedom they are not even capable of suicide, not that of resistance to the "bending" refugees, they will want to be burned in the cleansing fire of nuclear weapons along with the hated aliens . Then they will try to provoke Russia to such a sin ...
  23. Michael
    Michael 21 November 2017 21: 13
    0
    No, don’t give up!
    Why are you blue, with chocks need Russia?
  24. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 22 November 2017 11: 55
    0
    We have tools, and at the same time we have almost none
    Wrench 21 to twenty four.
  25. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 22 November 2017 14: 05
    0
    Oh, brothers, hats again or what ???
  26. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 22 November 2017 14: 06
    0
    Quote: stas-21127
    Oh, brothers, hats again or what ???
  27. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 23 November 2017 09: 04
    +1
    Uraaaaa, come on, throw their hats at them like in 1905 ...
    1. Sedoi zmei
      Sedoi zmei 23 November 2017 14: 31
      0
      Well, why should the caps be wasted? England - one rocket is enough (to cease to exist), America - three! Out of a thousand missiles - four will fly unambiguously! wink
      1. Arakius
        Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 23
        +1
        Why England alone and the USA 3? If it is only about the destruction of key megacities, then Russia will have enough missiles in response
  28. wei
    wei 24 November 2017 00: 09
    0
    United States have military means to counter the capabilities of the Russian army on the alleged European theater military operations.

    and what will the USA have at its theater? We surely have enough of their land for their territory, we can safely put it into consumption even in bacteriological, even in nuclear soldier
  29. Grandfather Eugene
    Grandfather Eugene 25 November 2017 01: 32
    0
    Quote: Cougar
    There is nothing GUARANTEED in this world. Do you have it at full automation without the possibility of impact and shutdown? And the elements of which it consists are eternal? Here we had a wandering start. And where is he now? Anglo-Saxons from the top of the world without a fight will not leave. This is an axiom. This is contrary to their history, culture and inner nature. Everything else is a probabilistic question.


    Yeah, and if the Perimeter command missiles knock down then what?
    1. Sedoi zmei
      Sedoi zmei 25 November 2017 11: 34
      0
      Do not worry! Not one or two are produced - but a hundred rockets! This is despite the fact that for broadcasting the “start” signal for ballistic missiles aimed at a certain country (for example America), one is enough! It’s impossible to bring down ALL! wink
  30. Arakius
    Arakius 26 November 2017 19: 21
    +1

    You forgot about the Russian system "Perimeter" (a dead hand, as the Americans call it), which will respond even in the event of the destruction of ALL Russian control centers! So ... Really - there will be no winners!

    1. "Perimeter" is deactivated
    2. When he worked, he could only recognize the threat and report to the control center. The decision about the retaliatory strike was still made by an officer of the control center and he gave the order to the "Perimeter" to retaliate. Those. the system is not 100% autonomous (otherwise it would have already delivered a preemptive nuclear strike during the 80s, at least twice)
    1. Sedoi zmei
      Sedoi zmei 29 November 2017 15: 43
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      Quote: Arakius
      1. "Perimeter" is deactivated

      1. Those who believe that this system "died" with the end of the Cold War, like the American "Mirror" system, are mistaken! The "perimeter" is on alert. Moreover, recently the system has been modernized and now operates already with the help of an automatic intellectual program embedded in it (that is, to exclude the human factor, the system is controlled by artificial intelligence).
      2. In June 1995, the complex was withdrawn from combat duty under the START-1 agreement. BUT! “The United States and NATO countries, sensing their impunity, actively set about building a new, unipolar world. And now, when NATO came close to the borders of Russia, having placed its military bases on the territory of our former allies, the Perimeter system is quiet, without too much noise again "Included" "))" In December 2011, the Strategic Missile Forces commander, Lieutenant General Sergey Karakaev, stated that the Perimeter system exists and is on combat duty. " wink