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Former head of the US Navy announced the theft of American defense technologies by hackers from Russia

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The US Armed Forces are losing their technological advantage due to the fact that Russian cyber spies infiltrated the US defense industry and steal information, said former US Navy chief John Lehman.


Now their cyber capabilities are very large, although most of the defense industry will not publicly admit it. Therefore, there is almost no lag. They are not behind, they are with us in the development of technology
 - quotes his words USNI News.

Former head of the US Navy announced the theft of American defense technologies by hackers from Russia


He urged the Pentagon to quickly implement high-tech systems to combat information leakage.

Lehman also pointed out that the United States needs 22 years to obtain a new serious weapons system, while Russia and China have gotten rid of the bureaucracy on this issue and have a seven-year cycle.

It really is time that destroys development weapons
 - sure Lehman.

As an example of a technology leak, he spoke about the development of Russian submarines. Lehman is confident that Russia simply "copied technology", making the submarines as quiet as the United States, while outstripping American developers in some offensive capabilities.

According to him, Moscow used the practice of stealing technology immediately after the start of the Cold War.

China was accused of the same in the United States. So, in 2013, the American media wrote that hackers from the PRC gained access to classified materials about more than 20 US military developments, reports "Vzglyad"
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  1. Monos
    Monos 16 November 2017 19: 39
    23
    Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 19: 43
      40
      Vitya, I thought: not a day goes by without reports of the “atrocities” of Russian hackers, so we got to the Pentagon secrets. I propose: to establish a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow! How do you like the idea? wink
      1. Monos
        Monos 16 November 2017 19: 49
        49
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I propose: to erect a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow!

        Good idea! I even have a prototype for him

        Bear with a laptop laughing
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 19: 51
          12
          Well, there is already a project of the monument! good
          1. Going
            Going 16 November 2017 20: 03
            18
            The keys to the whole world are in the Kremlin and all the bears in the world work for it. lol
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              1. bulvas
                bulvas 16 November 2017 21: 49
                +6
                Russian cyber spies infiltrate the US defense industry and steal information

                Even if it’s okay, don’t worry, we return yours, which was given to you in the 90s
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 17 November 2017 12: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: bulvas
                  Russian cyber spies infiltrate the US defense industry and steal information

                  Even if it’s okay, don’t worry, we return yours, which was given to you in the 90s


                  woke up ... we stole rocket engines from them, and now we sell them ... and they stole it directly on the moon when they flew there belay since then they therefore do not fly to the moon wassat
            2. Logall
              Logall 16 November 2017 20: 13
              23
              Quote: Going
              all the bears of the world work for him

              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 16 November 2017 20: 35
                10
                Sanya, good evening hi And can I copy your Misha to myself, my (from the avatar) really wants a friend. wink
                1. Logall
                  Logall 16 November 2017 20: 58
                  14
                  Serge, hi buddy, of course you can! This is a Kolyma bear, compatriots laid out ...
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 16 November 2017 21: 08
                    +8
                    Thank you, friend. Mine is already fermenting with yours, right now it’s about music, they already got the balalaikas. good drinks
                    1. Logall
                      Logall 16 November 2017 21: 11
                      +9
                      The main thing is that samovars should be filled with what they need ...! drinks
                      Matryoshka to help them! After all, a nesting doll is not only a doll, but also Two glasses, at least ...
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 16 November 2017 21: 16
                        +7
                        I’m even afraid to ask what is in their samovar. Otherwise, they will invite you to join. lol drinks
                        Threat Downstream, with the same nickname, but without age - it's not me. request
            3. figwam
              figwam 16 November 2017 20: 20
              +5
              The US military is losing technological advantage due to the fact that Russian cyber spies penetrated into the US defense industry and steal information, said former US Navy chief John Lehman.

              Sucker is fate.
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 16 November 2017 20: 52
                +1
                They beat out loot in the wake of hysteria, and therefore the wave is so vast against the Russian Federation went because they pay well for it.
                1. Slovak
                  Slovak 16 November 2017 21: 18
                  +4
                  This is a tsunami! Mattresses try to grab from under the printing press
              2. helmi8
                helmi8 16 November 2017 21: 14
                +4
                Now their cyber capabilities are very high, although most of the defense industry will not publicly admit this. Therefore, almost no lag. They are not behind, they are next to us in the development of technology

                If Russian hackers crack defense servers and political parties with amazing regularity, then we have long been ahead, not near ... wink
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 16 November 2017 21: 27
                  0
                  Under the NSA, the whole world lies including the Russian Federation.

                  Because of this, Putin doesn’t even have a phone. the NSA has everything under the hood.

                  And you are about some kind of equal.

                  Here, for an example, compare YouTube with Yandex video.
                  And this is taking into account the fact that Amers servers are located on Yandex.
                  1. Monos
                    Monos 16 November 2017 23: 25
                    13
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Under the NSA, the whole world lies

                    Well, lie under them, do not protrude. Why are they bothering us? And indeed, you are not in the trend of your owners. They scream from every outlet that Russian hackers have bent everyone. laughing It’s not good to let the hosts down, dear. smile
                  2. Monos
                    Monos 16 November 2017 23: 38
                    12
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Because of this, Putin doesn’t even have a phone.

                    Yeah. With Merkel, he shouts into a shout. laughing

                    Would you, young man, go to learn lessons. And then Bulk Navalny, and for a deuce in the diary, the folder can be poured. smile
                  3. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 23: 45
                    13
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Because of this, Putin doesn’t even have a phone.

                    Campaign, this is another "not your topic." Like this one:
                    Quote: Krabik
                    It's just that the fleet is not my topic and I'm not at all strong at it

                    Krabik ... of you a troll, like a dog’s tail sieve request
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 16 November 2017 23: 49
                      0
                      There was an article on Putin’s phone. I don’t remember where I was put off that Putin doesn’t have a mobile phone.
                      And I didn’t see the phone at the president’s speeches, I probably didn’t notice.

                      PS
                      You can troll me and find out why I try not to do this%)
                      1. SASHA OLD
                        SASHA OLD 17 November 2017 00: 02
                        +5
                        By what essence are you trying to write))? Do not make people laugh, return for your homework, otherwise the quarter will be in all areas)) starved her by God!)
        2. Arzoo
          Arzoo 16 November 2017 20: 30
          +5
          It is convenient to blame their failures and inactivity on Russian hackers or spies.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 16 November 2017 20: 40
            +2
            Quote: Arzoo
            It is convenient to blame their failures and inactivity on Russian hackers or spies.

            Well, how about a dozen billion dollars to fight the Ross. knock out by hackers, and so to preserve military secrets, you look and highlight.
            1. Going
              Going 16 November 2017 20: 49
              +9
              For them, this is not a figure at all, they will need to be fined a couple more banks or corporations and there will be no problems.
              1. Smog
                Smog 16 November 2017 20: 59
                +4
                Quote: Going
                will need a couple more banks or corporations to be fined and no problem.

                I agree, not Ek's figure, -
                ten billion dollars

                They now have a public debt of 20 billion. "Full-weighted" green American rubles, well, there will be 498 billion .. Think about it ....
        3. poquello
          poquello 16 November 2017 23: 05
          +3
          Quote: Monos
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          I propose: to erect a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow!

          Good idea! I even have a prototype for him

          Bear with a laptop laughing

          the beast was reaching for knowledge, and you are in monuments
      2. Smog
        Smog 16 November 2017 19: 51
        17
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I propose: to erect a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow!

        Guys! I propose to rename Caliber Hackers. These are hacked when needed, so hacked .....
        1. Going
          Going 16 November 2017 21: 04
          +8
          And you can put an equal sign, only each has his own goals. lol
      3. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 16 November 2017 19: 51
        15
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        the Pentagon got to the secrets


        Former US Navy chief John Lehman: I see, I see! Khan us, through the damned hackers crying .
        1. poquello
          poquello 16 November 2017 20: 14
          +6
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          the Pentagon got to the secrets


          Former US Navy chief John Lehman: I see, I see! Khan us, through the damned hackers crying .

          yeah, the dude raised the American mood, we steal from them and since our bureaucracy is faster then we make them faster
          1. Going
            Going 16 November 2017 20: 37
            10
            The verbiage itself has confused itself. lol
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 17 November 2017 10: 21
              +5
              "Ah, the current is the reason for these ..."
              wink
          2. DMoroz
            DMoroz 16 November 2017 21: 58
            +2
            he makes an excuse for himself - after 22 years they can come to him for an answer only at the cemetery
        2. ImPerts
          ImPerts 16 November 2017 20: 14
          +5
          I approve the idea of ​​the monument, on the side of the pedestal, to inscribe: "Thanks to John Sidney McCain 3, nicknamed" The White Tornado, for help and donations ", in Russian, English and Latin. soldier
      4. 210ox
        210ox 16 November 2017 20: 24
        +5
        pasha hi The horror story is terrible for the first time. Then it causes heartburn.
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Vitya, I thought: not a day goes by without reports of the “atrocities” of Russian hackers, so we got to the Pentagon secrets. I propose: to establish a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow! How do you like the idea? wink
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 21: 14
          +4
          Hello Dima ! hi Horror stories are frightened by one who is by nature a coward!
      5. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 16 November 2017 21: 03
        +5
        "" I propose: to erect a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow! "
        In front of the US Embassy in Moscow !! laughing
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 17 November 2017 06: 14
          +3
          Quote: To be or not to be
          In front of the US Embassy in Moscow !!

          what more. no need to clog the capital. in kuev the place
      6. sir_obs
        sir_obs 16 November 2017 22: 00
        +2
        We need to publish news that Putin personally awarded a group of hackers for outstanding success.
      7. LSA57
        LSA57 17 November 2017 06: 11
        +4
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        I propose: to erect a monument to Russian hackers in Moscow! How do you like the idea?

        he is for laughing
        Hi hi
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 16 November 2017 19: 45
      +5
      Unless an exhibit for a traveling circus, and from it only losses wassat it’s a pity that he didn’t completely burn his carrier then! wassat I did not disprove the trust placed in him, so there is no need to steal it, maybe somewhere in the USA it will break or destroy again! !! wassat
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 16 November 2017 20: 11
        +3
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Unless an exhibit for a vagabond circus, and it’s a pity from him that he’s not completely burned his aircraft carrier!

        Is it you about McCain belay ? He is what side request ? He does not even appear in the article.
        Mentioned only in the comment Monos.
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 16 November 2017 19: 51
      12
      Poor, poor Yankees! They steal from them what they did not even invent! They just think about new technologies on submarines, but the Russians already have them, because they stole it, really! Oooh, wretched wretched liars by reason! negative
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 16 November 2017 21: 11
        +6
        Yuri, so this nagging has been going on for more than a century. Russians invent, they patent. And then proudly declare their priority.
        By the way, a real Russian hacker does not need a computer, and he will hack any adversary site from a calculator.
        1. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 16 November 2017 22: 21
          +4
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Yuri, so this nagging has been going on for more than a century. Russians invent, they patent. And then proudly declare their priority.
          By the way, a real Russian hacker does not need a computer, and he will hack any adversary site from a calculator.


          Yes, Alexei, like Zhvanetsky’s: “Two on the collective farm field reaped the fruits of others!”
          It is a simple Yankesian system, to find poor talent, but real talent is always not rich, and to persuade freshly printed denyushki to sell the invention. Specialists, however! negative
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 16 November 2017 22: 39
            +7
            Yuri, I watched this American theft with my own eyes. At the beginning of the 90's, Americans visited our Semipalatinsk training ground according to the program of exchange of delegations within the framework of the Semipalatinsk-Nevada movement. And we have the Irtysh near by. Well, as usual, with the permission of the command, they organized something like a micro passage, followed by a plentiful libation. Kayaking along the coast. So they just shook with amazement from our tourist home-made products - carbines, backpacks, folding oars, tripods for a fire, etc. And all the time they asked - is it patented or not? And is it still possible to patent? I will not be surprised that then it all became real American inventions.
    4. kefan
      kefan 16 November 2017 20: 06
      +2
      [quote = Monos] Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie
      But what for do we need them?
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 16 November 2017 20: 33
        +8
        Quote: kefan
        But what for do we need them?

        What do you mean why? laughing McCain to the zoo, to the relatives of the monkeys, and Jolie's ass is steep. fellow
        1. vladimirasha
          vladimirasha 16 November 2017 23: 25
          +1
          was 20 years ago.
    5. Partyzan
      Partyzan 16 November 2017 20: 08
      +7
      Quote: Monos
      Or at least Angelina Jolie.

      but you can ask - for what purpose? laughing Hi hi hi
      1. Logall
        Logall 16 November 2017 20: 16
        12
        Visually show what We will do with them! In which case ... hi
        I'm talking about Jolie!
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 16 November 2017 20: 28
          +9
          Quote: Logall
          Visually show what We will do with them! In which case ... hi
          I'm talking about Jolie!

          I’m not better then, I will reconsider Emanuel - there is at least artistically laughing
          1. Logall
            Logall 16 November 2017 21: 03
            16
            Quote: Partyzan
            I’m better, then I’ll review Emanuel

            Emmanuel is now not the same
          2. Going
            Going 16 November 2017 21: 07
            +8
            Too ancient adaptation, the modern world does not understand.
      2. Monos
        Monos 16 November 2017 20: 16
        +7
        Hello Volodya! hi
        Quote: Partyzan
        but you can ask - for what purpose?

        Yes, who knows these hackers, why would McCain need them ?! Everywhere they climb, they dig everything, they vote for everyone ... They have their own world. smile I'm not even sure that I can tell you exactly why they might need Jolie. laughing
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 16 November 2017 20: 36
          +5
          Quote: Monos
          I'm not even sure that I can tell you exactly why they might need Jolie.

          probably will laughing
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 16 November 2017 20: 43
          +7
          Victor hi
          I'm not even sure that I can tell you exactly why they might need Jolie.

          Well, everything is simple.
          Everywhere they climb, they dig everything,

          Lara Croft did the same.
          They have their own world.
          good drinks
          1. Monos
            Monos 16 November 2017 20: 52
            +5
            Ahhh ... Here you are, a Russian hacker, and got caught !!! laughing
            Good evening, Sergey! hi drinks
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                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 17 November 2017 05: 25
                  +5
                  Victor hi Taki removed the folk art in my presentation, and I got another "Order of Merit." lol Thank you for saving a copy. good drinks
                  1. Monos
                    Monos 17 November 2017 09: 00
                    +3
                    Greetings, Sergey hi laughing Fierce, the guardsmen. bully Comments were removed from me, in which the last letter remained from the word, swear words. laughing
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 17 November 2017 09: 21
                      +5
                      Good morning Victor hi But I didn’t have a mat at all, I wrote about the Israeli heavy armored personnel carrier "Namer", if it was wrong. negative wink
    6. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 November 2017 20: 18
      10
      Quote: Monos
      when will our hackers steal John McCain?

      They would rather have brains inserted into him and to him like clowns. laughing
      1. Logall
        Logall 16 November 2017 20: 23
        +9
        That's what they got so caught in for Crimea: it’s a reminder of ... That they are renegades!
        1. Going
          Going 16 November 2017 20: 51
          +9
          Everything is more commonplace, they have already paid and projects have been developed, at their military base in Sevastopol, and here they’ve taken them away from under the nose.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 16 November 2017 21: 22
        0
        You can write such a mark to Mark Twain, even now he will pass for humor.
      3. vladimirasha
        vladimirasha 16 November 2017 23: 42
        0
        it was a long time ago. Times and elite have changed. Now the country is ruled by the descendants of cunning emigrants from Odessa, England, France, and Germany who were not at all friends with the law, who appeared there as victims there. Guess who it was? They were accepted into their circle. It was after this that the conquest of America began. SO SAME AS WE HAVE IN 1993.
    7. Svarog
      Svarog 16 November 2017 20: 28
      +4
      Quote: Monos
      Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie.

      Why do we need this here?)) Stripes for candy wrappers are bought up by scientists, but we do not worry, why pay our own ..
    8. mac789
      mac789 16 November 2017 20: 49
      0
      Phi. Why do we need it. Bee abalone
    9. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 November 2017 21: 20
      +1
      Quote: Monos
      Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie.

      So already work. Digitize and merge.
    10. rocket757
      rocket757 16 November 2017 23: 44
      +4
      No, no, no, we don’t need McCain, save and save, we have enough of our possessed ones!
      But for Angelina, it’s as if for, only quietly, ZOIA’s Schaub didn’t hear ... only, she stopped hissing.
      But by the way, why over Jolie ... wherever you look, either Angelina or Jolie ... or both this and that in one ... topic for example! Hooray !!!
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 17 November 2017 05: 33
        +5
        Victor, welcome hi
        wherever you look, either Angelina or Jolie

        And try to tell her that she looks worse than Julia, you will immediately understand that he was wrong. lol
        1. Monos
          Monos 17 November 2017 09: 03
          +3
          Quote: Svarog51
          And try to tell her that she looks worse than Julia, you will immediately understand that he was wrong.

          laughing Feel with your whole body.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 17 November 2017 09: 26
            +5
            Gee s! That apparently this is your namesake rocket757 and fears
            But for Angelina, I kind of for, only quietly, Schaub ZOYA did not hear

            Well, he will fly to him if he looks here, and his wife will examine our pictures over his shoulder. laughing laughing laughing
            1. Monos
              Monos 17 November 2017 09: 35
              +3
              Quote: Svarog51
              This is apparently your namesake rocket757 and fears

              I would be afraid of such Zoyka too. laughing You stand such a refined esthete with the Aragonese fencing school, and a pan comes to you from a hurricane to a mug. laughing laughing laughing
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 17 November 2017 10: 26
                +5
                and a pan flies to you from a hurricane

                And while you're in full out, you should add a rolling pin to the “attachments”. wassat
    11. venik
      venik 17 November 2017 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: Monos
      Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie.

      =========
      Well you give! Well, Angelina Jolie - where else did he go .... But McCain !!?
      In the days of the USSR, there was such a children's joke: "Two little boys are arguing - ours and the American ... American: and you have no sausage! Our - and you - the Negroes are beaten! American - and you have no bread! Our - and the Indians are being oppressed by you! The American thought ...- And we will steal Brezhnev from you! Our - U ... well then you there will be no bread!!!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 November 2017 19: 25
        +3
        C'mon, say an old joke ???
        Yes, for our reality, they recently quite said that we are hedgehogs, like, we’re eating up !!! - we can they wanted Schaub, we gave them the GDP ??? and they just bred us, proving sho he is so-and-so and completely unnecessary to us ???
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 November 2017 19: 40
    +3
    although most of the defense industry will not publicly acknowledge this


    But of course we must urgently believe you !!

    damn these reservations)))
    1. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 16 November 2017 19: 46
      11
      Quote: DEZINTO
      But of course we must urgently believe you !!

      Of course, the truth is he doesn’t know who exactly
  3. pvv113
    pvv113 16 November 2017 19: 44
    +8
    Russian cyber spies infiltrate the US defense industry and steal information

    Why do our hackers need the American defense industry if we get all the information in Estonia?
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 16 November 2017 21: 29
      +5
      Vladimir, hi
      we get all the information in Estonia

      This information is late, here hackers make up time. wink drinks
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 16 November 2017 21: 32
        +1
        Good evening, Sergey! Judging by the latest data from foreign media, the profession of a hacker is the most demanded one. Yes, and they are loaded to the ears wink
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 16 November 2017 21: 49
          +5
          I completely agree that our hackers
          they are loaded to the ears

          But the striped ears of the mattress stick out because of every bump of Russophobia. bully
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 16 November 2017 21: 57
            +1
            Yes, no matter where you go. It's kind of an epidemic
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 17 November 2017 09: 33
              +5
              It's kind of an epidemic

              And a long time ago, from birth.
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 17 November 2017 11: 24
                +1
                Oh, would spray them wink
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 17 November 2017 11: 42
                  +5
                  Dost only to drive cockroaches, and these donkeys - a shank from a shovel and along the ridge. good drinks
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 17 November 2017 11: 45
                    +1
                    In my opinion, all means are good here - you can sprinkle with dust, and then along the ridge with logs laughing
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 17 November 2017 12: 03
                      +5
                      Agree good Just sprinkle the carrots that go to the feed with dust. It will be more true. wink
  4. Sergey53
    Sergey53 16 November 2017 19: 46
    +2
    Or maybe gentlemen, you're used to tidying up everything that sticks to your hands. Our laser developments, the shuttle that you are flying now, the STELS system that you bought .....
    1. destination
      destination 16 November 2017 19: 56
      +3
      Yes, everyone steals from each other everything that is bad and good. For that, intelligence ...
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 November 2017 19: 46
    +4
    Do you know what will happen next time something like - "computer sales in Russia have increased, what do you think, why, who supplies Russian computers and why?"

  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 November 2017 19: 49
    +2
    Russian Hackers is a new form of treatable severe mental disorder in the military and politicians from the United States. As it became known, the disorder is viral, transmitted by airborne droplets, and has infected many politicians in Europe! !!! crying lol
  7. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 16 November 2017 19: 51
    +3
    Ek got over the sick. So and to the loss of reason is not far. Although it may already be that ..........
    1. Going
      Going 16 November 2017 20: 52
      +8
      It seems a long time ago and irrevocably.
  8. Fedorov
    Fedorov 16 November 2017 19: 52
    +4
    Exclusive to the former head of the U.S. Navy John Lehman, a secret photo of Russian hackers without uniforms and orders wink
  9. dvina71
    dvina71 16 November 2017 19: 52
    +3
    It’s good to live in dreams .. Soviet submarines have already reached parity in noise with the American ones, but they stubbornly continue to compare their boats of 2, 3 generations with the first Soviet submarines .. and argue that their boats are quieter ..
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 16 November 2017 21: 01
      0
      Good joke...
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 16 November 2017 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: Krabik
        Good joke.

        Well, laugh .. At the same time, present the facts .. about the less noisy PAL of the United States of the same generation with the USSR APS .. well, except for the well-known "roaring cow" ..
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 16 November 2017 21: 30
          0
          You do not need facts. You are a classic victim of propaganda.

          But if you want to improve your health, at least take a look at the photos of American and our shipyards.

          And you can also see whose equipment is at our new plants.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 16 November 2017 21: 41
            +2
            I’ve lived all my life near the plant where almost all of our nuclear submarines were built .. no need to tell me fairy tales. Let's get the facts .. And how is the equipment related to the submarine noise?
            By the way .. enlighten .. why the hell the Americans strenuously promoted the idea of ​​a seaport on the basis of our harbor, where the NSR and Zvezdochka stand, while the serious roads and railways didn’t fit here .. and the road changed ..? And why did they rush into the 90th workshop? They know everything better than us .. they have the best boats .., though they have a maximum immersion of 50 percent less .. well, nothing .. for it is quieter ..? so their general said ..
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 16 November 2017 21: 56
              0
              They say a lot of things.

              There is such a feature in a Russian person to have different chatter.

              The condition is the most banal shipyards, especially if you live at the shipyard and can compare with the Amer shipyards in the photo and video.

              Equipment and place of work greatly affect the quality of work.

              If you worked in your life at least a little, you should understand that it is very difficult to perform high-quality work in the wind in the cold.

              Well, the quality of coverage of American submarines is visible to the naked eye in the photographs.
              At Amer, the coating is smooth and perfect on the eye, and at us everything is rough and in the joints.

              And the rough surface with joints is noisier - it’s just everyday logic, you don’t even have to be a shipbuilder and live near a rusty and dirty shipyard.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 16 November 2017 22: 01
                +1
                Please .. the answer to one question .. were you in the 50th SMP workshop?
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 16 November 2017 22: 12
                +1
                Quote: Krabik
                If you worked in your life at least a little, you should understand that it is very difficult to perform high-quality work in the wind in the cold.

                Where did you get this from? .. What wind ... what frost? Do you communicate with us from a parallel world?
                In you video with SMP ..

                But in Korea ..
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 16 November 2017 22: 54
                  0
                  The video on Sevmash shows the remains of Soviet equipment from the era of Comrade Brezhnev.

                  I do not argue, then we came close to amers in terms of production.

                  But now the 21st century, as it were;)

                  PS
                  Let me remind you why the USSR built the largest boats in the world.
                  The engineers were not able to create their own Minuteman and had to make huge boats under huge rockets ...
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 16 November 2017 23: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: Krabik
                    I do not argue, then we came close to amers in terms of production.
                    But now the 21st century, as it were;)

                    I have a feeling that I’m talking with a child .. and he has an analysis of PES ... as if he didn’t .. I’ll surprise you ... by welding, we are so far from all the others ... especially specific ... that it was easier for Americans to buy the whole factory under the port .. for the sake of these technologies ..
                    SO I did not receive an answer to the questions.
                    1. Have you been to the 50th workshop?
                    2. What does frost and wind have to do with the production of nuclear submarines in Russia?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 23: 13
                      +9
                      Quote: dvina71
                      I feel like I'm talking to a child

                      You are currently driving a troll ... Respect hi
                      Quote: dvina71
                      SO I have not received an answer to the questions


                      And hardly get it. I mean - intelligible answers.
                      Krabik sintered, it's time to serve.
                      In his training manual, answers to such questions ... are not provided request
                      1. Krabik
                        Krabik 16 November 2017 23: 24
                        0
                        It's just that the fleet is not my topic and I'm not at all strong at that.

                        However, a cursory glance and information from the same VO and other resources gave me the picture that I am voicing here.

                        And so far, that I have no information that our shipbuilding at least came close to the Japanese or French ship industry, not to mention the amers.

                        And comrade dvina71 only confirms my opinion.

                        This is trite chatter about workshops, well, take 2 pictures of our and their enterprise and compare, no, you need to ask stupid questions ...
                  2. dvina71
                    dvina71 16 November 2017 23: 57
                    +3
                    However, a cursory glance and information from the same VO and other resources gave me the picture that I am voicing here.

                    It’s good to be a child .. a quick look and categorical judgments ..
                    This is trite chatter about workshops, well, take 2 pictures of our and their enterprise and compare, no, you need to ask stupid questions ...

                    I posted two videos for you .. find the differences in equipment there .. and the equipment of the workshops .. and it’s enough to unconsciously rave ..
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 17 November 2017 00: 03
                      0
                      You posted a video of the old Soviet workshop of the 70s and a Korean shipbuilding company building surface ships.

                      And we had a conversation about submarines of the Russian Federation and the USA;)

                      And yes, with regard to categorization, I am a programmer and I have written in the description for shipbuilding that I have no touch and express it, only my personal opinion formed by VO and the Star channel!
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 17 November 2017 00: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Krabik
                        I am a computer programmer

                        ABOUT! Since you are a programmer ... well, this question doesn’t concern you directly, but from your area of ​​knowledge .. So are Intel X86 RISC or CISC architecture .. enlighten me please .. And for one thing ... how did the intel become superscalar?
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 17 November 2017 00: 27
                      0
                      X86 Intel RISC or CISC architecture


                      No, dear friend, we started a conversation about the advanced shipbuilding industry of the Russian Federation and you tried to prove to me that the Russian submarines are at the level of the United States.

                      So explain to me how boats of the Russian Federation can be quieter than Amer’s boats, if our industry in the corral and on SEVMASH equipment 50 years ago makes hulls, and the boats themselves do 10 years, apart from the fact that Yasen barely barely made 1 piece and it’s not to end?

                      If of course you whip at least something in shipbuilding, and not how I give my IMHO based on articles.

                      PS
                      It is not necessary, as I have been engaged in microelectronics and programming for 25 years to drive in x86 in search and find out its architecture.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 17 November 2017 00: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Krabik
                        So explain to me how boats of the Russian Federation can

                        No .. you first answer my question .. then there will be a conversation. There will be no answer .. I will not shovel the network for you in search of information I will not .. you are a programmer and cards in your hands ..
                    3. Krabik
                      Krabik 17 November 2017 00: 41
                      0
                      No .. you first answer my question ...


                      Here is the answer for you, I signed it above:
                      "It is not necessary, as I have been engaged in microelectronics and programming for 25 years to drive in x86 in search and find out its architecture."

                      And why do you need to shovel the Internet if you are a specialist, not a babalol?

                      But I will answer you because such a trivial question you did not pull%)

                      There is no data on the noise of submarines in the internet because U-boats are the most secret weapon in the world.
                      We can judge the noise by the old generations of boats and as I suggested judging by the development of industry.

                      Old Soviet boats were noisier, well, maybe Lira was up to standard, but I’m afraid the RF will never build such perfection.

                      And our industry, even in the best years of the USSR, was more backward compared to the USA and even Japan.
                      I remember how they put the first Yamaha at school, this was a masterpiece compared to the Agatha.

                      So, if you’re not a babalol I’m waiting for specific facts from you, where did you decide that the RF boats completed in 10 years can barely be quieter than new Amer%))
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 17 November 2017 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Krabik
                        And our industry, even in the best years of the USSR, was more backward compared to the USA and even Japan.

                        Our industry was different, not backward. As for technical excellence .. the question is controversial .. So for information .. already at the beginning of 70, the ACS "Express" began to be introduced in the USSR .. as a person involved in computers, you should understand what this means. And in the early 80s, Express-2 was already distributed throughout the country .. from any access point to this system, you could buy a ticket from any station with a place .. if that tells you something ..
                        As for noise ... I'll give you keywords ..
                        SOSUS, Apport, Atrina, find out read. and most importantly, delve into what you read .. no superficial conclusions ..
                        YES and more .. K-314 (that same roaring cow) and Kitty-Hawk at the head of AUG ...
                    4. Krabik
                      Krabik 17 November 2017 01: 22
                      0
                      SOSUS, Apport, Atrina


                      About all these systems and operations and much more I read many times and not only on this site.

                      They confirm the rule that we were nobody in the sea, and now the whole fleet is outdated and the rest was drank.

                      Released on the modern American armada and new security systems, one multi-purpose and one and a half strategists.

                      Amers do not even need to arrange operations, they just deployed medium-range missiles in Poland, which by the way are prohibited under the INF Treaty and will troll us.
                    5. Krabik
                      Krabik 17 November 2017 01: 36
                      0
                      Here you have it, so to speak, to consolidate the material;)



                      Here with these guys you are trying to compare the remnants of our engineers who did not have time to escape from Russia%)
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 16 November 2017 19: 57
    +4
    "As an example of a technology leak, he talked about the development of Russian submarines. Lehman is sure that Russia simply" copied the technology ", making the submarines as quiet as the US" ... he completely confuses the coast. in order to make a submarine, it’s far from one year of production ... and many more years to develop it ... everything is easier .. bought a hard drive from the drunk system specialist with drawings for a bottle of vodka, in those days it was just that.
    1. gurza2007
      gurza2007 16 November 2017 20: 21
      0
      Moreover, our same zyme probably ??!))))
  11. oldzek
    oldzek 16 November 2017 19: 57
    +2
    Russian hackers are the same as Lieutenant Colombo’s wife. everyone knows about them but who saw them?
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 16 November 2017 20: 06
      +3
      Lieutenant Colombo

      Thanks, they reminded me of a wonderful actor and I will review the series, I liked his manner all the time, at the last moment after the dialogue, already leaving - "oh yeah completely forgot one more question"))))

      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 16 November 2017 21: 25
        +7
        Nicholas hi
        Thank you reminded wonderful actor

        Max, click on the button!
        good
  12. gurza2007
    gurza2007 16 November 2017 20: 10
    0
    Moreover, these thefts have been happening since the time of Lomonosov!) And by the way, how are our inventions ???? ..... somehow I heard about 8-10 years ago that the Japanese offered to buy them, but then everything calmed down, because instead of deciding whether to sell or not, everyone began to think about where to put the money)))))))))) !!!!!! Laughter, and only ....
  13. sanches-nk
    sanches-nk 16 November 2017 20: 12
    0
    So you suckers, that's all
  14. gurza2007
    gurza2007 16 November 2017 20: 16
    0
    And the Chinese - well done, not in vain we studied !!!! ..... and in three cases they performed control work, unlike many of our ....
  15. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 16 November 2017 20: 22
    +2
    Not the fracker hackers, but the pro masters of our naval intelligence work frighteningly efficiently! Keep it up! Scare the American admirals to panic!
    1. Going
      Going 16 November 2017 20: 39
      +8
      They already have the incontinence of all the secretions, much more.
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 16 November 2017 20: 34
    +1
    Paranoid schizoid. Where are the praised American psychotherapists?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 16 November 2017 23: 21
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      Where are the praised American psychotherapists?

      How where .. they hacked ..
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 November 2017 20: 43
    0
    This is the crown. what Or bottom? They completely moved out. Whoever steals from this is a BA-A-A-B-question. How many Soviet developments were bought by both our and Ukrainian not entirely, or rather not at all, principled comrades? Well, what if they whistled? Nobody has yet canceled industrial espionage. wink
  18. kefan
    kefan 16 November 2017 21: 00
    +1
    Another nonsense of the old senile mattress, why bother putting such news here?
  19. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 16 November 2017 21: 14
    +4
    Clinton's old woman, too, loved to have some state secrets on the net. And the military there too. What kind of illness is this?
  20. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 November 2017 21: 18
    +2
    The former head of the US Navy announced the theft of hackers from Russia technology American defense
    And not FIG secrets on the fences to stick up. If this is of course secrets.
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 November 2017 21: 23
    +1
    He would be very surprised to learn that mu is not on the side, but a little ahead ... laughing
  22. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 16 November 2017 21: 36
    +1
    We are not near. In some fundamental things, we are ahead. So, they should not take offense at the export of innovations abroad, but we.
  23. den3080
    den3080 16 November 2017 22: 32
    +1
    here they have tamm pepez some old per dunas, senility and almost coma
    the late USSR recalls this
  24. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD 16 November 2017 23: 56
    0
    Yes, everything has been hacked for a long time ... I woke up, uncle ..)
  25. Star
    Star 17 November 2017 00: 34
    +3
    America takes out our minds, and we return the final product of these minds to their native nest.
  26. ver_
    ver_ 17 November 2017 03: 22
    +1
    Quote: Monos
    Well, when will our hackers steal John McCain? Or at least Angelina Jolie.

    ... do we need them? ..
  27. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 November 2017 04: 24
    +2
    Russian cyber spies have infiltrated the US defense industry and are stealing information, said former US Navy chief John Lehman.
    ... why are you complaining? you are exceptional! ... laughing bully laughing
  28. Nemesis
    Nemesis 17 November 2017 04: 54
    +1
    Who would say ... This is the United States stole technology from Russia, in particular the helmet-mounted target designation system for the first time in the world installed on the MiG-29
  29. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 17 November 2017 05: 36
    +1
    Yes, yes, and in the 90s when whole design bureaus were exported from Russia along with technological lines, and the appearance of a breakthrough in the aircraft industry they probably forgot, crooks robbed both technology and specialists and their development, although the whole US country was built on the robbery of other countries, what to be surprised at such statements, to cover their stupidity with the fact that they are stealing.
  30. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 17 November 2017 07: 13
    0
    medals to Russian hackers.
  31. GEV67
    GEV67 17 November 2017 08: 56
    0
    The phrase from the movie is appropriate here - Everything has already been stolen before us ... smile
  32. zak167
    zak167 17 November 2017 09: 11
    0
    It seems that McCain has a serious competitor. McCain watch out.
  33. Bosch
    Bosch 17 November 2017 10: 29
    0
    Outright Russophobia unites banderlogs and Americans: whatever comes up with them, it's Russia to blame.
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  35. koshmarik
    koshmarik 17 November 2017 14: 24
    0
    Council of State Department Camarilla: guys, don’t bang your ears.
  36. rocket757
    rocket757 17 November 2017 20: 27
    +3
    At first it seemed to me that in the eyes of the brave Yankees there was simply annoyance and dissatisfaction with their special services! And then I realized it was just fear!
    Fear that they have ceased to be the most, the most on the planet.
    Fear that we can return to its former greatness, as the true heirs of the Land of Soviets!
    Fear that China may become the most powerful and richest state on the planet!
    In general, typical fears of "decrepit empires", t.s. self-elected leaders ... shorter than the former!
    And for the fact that it was they who developed all the most advanced on the planet, and others stole and took advantage of the developments of their most advanced inventors !!! With all due respect to the Yankees, this is nonsense.
    There were quite a few facts about the Yankee punctures, at the same VO ... proved and recognized by all, consider. It’s just that everyone looks and chooses what he needs ... there are two options - either you are for your homeland, or against, THIRD IS NOT GIVEN.
    PS For nagging, an adult uncle, in no small ranks !!! One word - sucks, lowered the secret services and other government agencies !!! How is that possible ???