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Elbasy said - the state will do


The President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, suggested that the Kazakhs should switch from Cyrillic to Latin to 2025. In this regard, he instructed the cabinet to develop a plan before 2018. For another year, scientists will discuss the standard of the new Kazakh alphabet (taking into account the wishes of the public), and then begin the preparation of teachers of the appropriate profile, the production of textbooks and teaching aids, training of schoolchildren. Since Kazakhstan is a hyper-presidential republic and the president bears the official title of “Elbasy” (Leader of the Nation), it has practically unlimited power there, there is no doubt that all these decisions will be implemented on time (although, of course, the quality of performance is in doubt).

The initiative of the Kazakh leader immediately caused the most controversial responses both in Kazakhstan and in Russia. Linguists believe that there are no purely linguistic grounds for such a radical step. According to Andrei Kibrik, a leading researcher at the Institute of Linguistics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Astana’s decision has no practical meaning. The Cyrillic alphabet, developed for Kazakhs by Soviet specialists and introduced in 1940, was adapted to the peculiarities of this Turkic language. Such a large émigré linguist, Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetskoy, still in that era when the Soviet government translated the Turkic peoples from Latin (“Yanalif”) into Cyrillic writing, noted that the Cyrillic is generally better adapted than the Latin to convey the specifics of the Turkic speech. Indeed, in the same modern Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet 42 letters (33 Russian Cyrillic letters and 9 additional). Latin can only offer 26 letters.

It is clear that Nazarbayev’s demand has purely political overtones (although he himself tried to substantiate this with a large Latin value in the age of computer technology).

In fact, we have an attempt to get closer to Turkey (which, under Mustafa Kemal, also switched from Arabic to Latin) and to distance itself from Russia.

The younger generation of Kazakhs who will learn using the Latin alphabet and will not know Cyrillic writing will naturally make it easier to learn Turkish and read Turkish literature and newspapers with magazines, while Russian texts will become abracadabra for them, even if they are Other degrees will be fluent in spoken Russian. At the same time, of course, computer literacy will have no effect: after all, the same Turkey uses the Latin alphabet, however, the geniuses of programming do not engender in large numbers ...

The Russian press vividly discusses the questions: how will this affect the lives of Russians in Kazakhstan? On the use of Russian language in Kazakhstan? On the relationship of Kazakhstan and Russia? These questions are certainly important, but there is another side to the problem: how will this affect the culture and life of the Kazakhs themselves? If we are already talking about Eurasian unity, then we should be not indifferent to the fate of all Eurasian peoples, who are often led by their governments in a direction that is far from advantageous to them. The answer to this question will be clarified if we turn to the results of the relevant reform in Uzbekistan. There, this experiment was conducted in its pure form, and its experience due to the complex ethnic composition of the state is much more interesting than, for example, Azerbaijan.

Uzbekistan's experience

In Uzbekistan, the law on the transition to the Latin script came out in 1993 year (it is interesting that Turkey also put its hand here; in 1991, at the initiative of Turkish President Turgut Ozal, a congress of Turkic linguists was convened, who urged post-Soviet Turkic states to switch to Latin and even suggested draft type alphabet). It was planned to complete this transition to 2000 year. In fact, it is not completed yet. There is no dispute, the Latin alphabet has become the official alphabet, it is taught in school, it has inscriptions on administrative buildings, enterprises, and institutions. But if you walk around Tashkent or any other Uzbek city, you will probably be shocked by what you see. The point is not only that good old inscriptions in Uzbek Cyrillic or simply in Russian coexist with inscriptions in Latin. An incredible mixture of alphabets happened: sometimes inscriptions in Russian are made in Latin (for example, “Salon krasoti”), sometimes Latin and Cyrillic characters are present in one word (“Himchistka”). The letter “C” is transmitted in Latin script either “Tc” or “S”, therefore the phrase “Sausage shop” is often spelled “Kolbasa sexi”, which became food for a lot of jokes and anecdotes. And this is not to mention the fact that the signs in Russian are made with monstrous errors. So, everywhere you can find on the door a sign “Eyeglass. Otkrita.



At the same time, about half of the printed materials (books, magazines, newspapers) still come out in Cyrillic. The older generation has not mastered the Latin alphabet, and a complete rejection of the Cyrillic alphabet would lead, in general opinion, simply to the destruction of these publications. Moreover, a significant part of the Uzbek segment of the Internet are sites in Uzbek Cyrillic. And what’s really funny is that most of the Uzbek nationalists who zealously advocate “full romanization” write and print in ... Cyrillic (this is reminiscent of the totally Russian-speaking Bandera phenomenon in Ukraine, who advocate a ban on Russian ... in the same Russian language).

It was not possible to switch completely to Latin even in the area of ​​official office work. There was confusion with the recording of names and surnames, and in the official sphere it is very important: even a difference of one letter gives rise to a huge bureaucratic red tape.

For many years, cultural figures of Uzbekistan have been sounding the alarm, addressing both the authorities and the public.

A huge number of works of Uzbek literature created in Soviet times, as well as Russian and European classics, translated at the same time into Uzbek, are now inaccessible to Uzbek boys and girls.

The Alisher Navoi National Library has about 6 million storage units, most of them in Cyrillic. Where are those students who could read them now?

The transition to the Latin alphabet played a cruel joke even with those representatives of the Uzbek intelligentsia, who at the beginning of the 90's were zealous supporters of this reform. One of them was the famous Uzbek writer Pirimkul Kadyrov, who was recognized in Soviet times, worked in the Union of Soviet Writers, studied at the Literary Institute, translated Tolstoy and Lermontov into Uzbek, but in the years of perestroika, he joined the Uzbek nationalists. Under the article about him in the Uzbek Wikipedia, written now in Latin, his works are mentioned - almost all of them were not reprinted (although he lived a long time, up to 2010 of the year), the books are dated 1968, 1977, 1983 for years. Of course, all of them were then printed in Uzbek Cyrillic, and now most of the young Uzbeks who studied in Latin cannot read them. The philosopher Mikhail Lifshits wrote that stories There is a law of retribution: it seems that this is the case.

In general, the Uzbeks are very disappointed with the result of the “romanization” experiment. A year ago, the philologist Shukhrat Rizayev made an open appeal to the President of Uzbekistan. In particular, he said: “As a result of the change of the alphabet in the last century, the mass of printed publications turned into unnecessary trash. ... It’s not too late, I propose to legalize the Cyrillic alphabet as the main alphabet, and the Latin alphabet as the second alphabet. ”

It is unlikely that Rizayev will wait for an answer. Even if the president decided on such a bold political step, it would still make little difference. There is no money in the budget for this. Once they have already spent huge sums for a poor republic on the transition to the Latin script. However, there is no money for mass reprints of books in Latin. The situation is stalemate.

Things are even worse in the university sphere: only a small part of the educational-methodical literature is reprinted in the Latin alphabet. There are excellent textbooks in mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry, English, German - in Cyrillic Uzbek and Russian, but fewer teachers (not to mention students) who could use them.

Of course, the Uzbeks who have completed new schools are barred from entering Russian universities. They will have to relearn for this. Therefore, we see Uzbek boys and girls not in the number of foreign students, but in the number of foreign low-skilled workers.

What is waiting for Kazakhstan?

There is no doubt that the Uzbek scenario will repeat in Kazakhstan. The Kazakh experts themselves admit that the Republic of Kazakhstan does not have such financial resources to make the transition to the Latin alphabet in full. Some even suggest that, judging by the insignificance of the amount that Nazarbayev pledged for this reform, it could be a purely symbolic act. So, it is easy to predict what the consequences of this experiment will be for one’s own people.

First of all, it is clear that a generation gap will occur.

Representatives of the older generation will use the Cyrillic alphabet and read literature in Cyrillic, young people will use the Latin alphabet, and their horizons will sharply narrow due to the scarcity of publications in the Latin alphabet.

Of course, young people will be cut off from all the literature of the Soviet period, as well as from the works of pre-revolutionary Kazakh poets, writers, scientists, public figures who were published and reprinted in Soviet Kazakhstan. The world classics in their native language, translated by Soviet writers (as well as its Russian translations), will not be available to them either. Since the knowledge of foreign languages ​​in the republic is still not common, and in the original Balzac and Dreiser language, most young Kazakhs also do not read and are unlikely to read in the near future (even the presidential program assumes that after 10-15 only English will be known 20% of the population of Kazakhstan), then there will be a sharp drop in the cultural level of Kazakh youth, turning it into illiterate people, suitable only for low-skilled labor and easily managed with the help of ideological manipulations y.



The Kazakh intelligentsia is aware of this now and expresses serious concern. Already in the 2013 year, when there was still talk of reform, the writers of Kazakhstan addressed a letter to the president. It said: “Up to now, almost a million titles of books, scientific works about the ancient and subsequent history of the people (...) have been published in the republic. It is clear that with the transition to the Latin alphabet, our younger generation will be divorced from the history of their ancestors. ”

Another problem will be poor knowledge of the Russian language. Now about 95% of the people of Kazakhstan know Russian. This means that they do not just speak Russian (often completely without an accent, like their own), but they also read and write excellent Russian. Of course, switching to the Latin alphabet will not immediately affect the knowledge of Russian; from changing the alphabet no one loses their language skills. But for the next generations who will study the Latin at school, perhaps the Russian language will already be spoken. Fill the document, read the newspaper in Russian, they will not be able to. And this means that, coming to Russia, young Kazakhs will be doomed to occupy the lowest social positions. If now the guys from Kazakhstan become students of Russian universities, are engaged in business, working in reputable companies, then in the years through 20-25 the same guys will work on construction sites along with Uzbeks and Tajiks. Semi-literacy of these people will be used by all sorts of dishonest people from among the officials and employers, as well as banal fraudsters.

One more thing. Proponents of the transition to the Latin alphabet argue that it will help more likely to master the European languages, especially English. I do not think so. The number of people who speak English depends not on the character of the alphabet, but on the country's involvement in the culture and business life of world capitalism. The number of people who know English has sharply increased in China after the country “opened up” to the Western world and developed extensive economic, political and cultural ties with western partners, although the Chinese generally use hieroglyphs. But the literature in Turkish and the relevant websites after the transition to the Latin alphabet will be widely available. Turkic languages ​​are very close, and in some cases Kazakh or Uzbek can understand Turkish speech without an interpreter. And in any case, as I said, it is much easier to learn Turkish Kazakh than English.

Post-Soviet Turkic regimes, including Kazakhstan, are very afraid of the growth of Islamist sentiments. However, the transition to the Latin alphabet is exactly what will whip them up, because in Turkish there is a huge amount of Islamist, extremist literature. Instead of thousands of English-speaking young Kazakhs, Latin supporters in Kazakhstan risk getting thousands of young Kazakhs who are ISIS supporters brought up by Turkish-language brochures and Internet sites.

In short, from whatever side you look, this reform is not the best idea for Kazakhstan.
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  1. 73bor
    73bor 18 November 2017 15: 40 New
    +9
    It looks like "Elbasy" at the end of the senility began to suffer! First you need to learn how to wipe the ass, and only then ...
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 18 November 2017 15: 50 New
      10
      Ally, your mother ...
      1. Dashout
        Dashout 19 November 2017 10: 28 New
        +8
        I have the impression that in Kazakhstan there is almost no external (amer) management. See how they vote at the UN - only from the USA; if Russia and China are against, then Kazakhstan is FOR!
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    3. stas
      stas 18 November 2017 17: 02 New
      15
      These are the main communists nat. republics and the USSR collapsed, while Brokeback nonsense carried on TV.
      These nat. leaders wanted to become emirs of their slaves, and so they became.
      Our Putin is in vain trying to build a capitalist market flea market in Russia with Putin's face.
      While there are military successes in Syria, there are serious failures within Russia.
      Victories in Syria will not solve the economic problems of Putin's Russia.
      Putin hold a referendum on Russia's future economy without capitalists and liberals in government. I personally addressed him, in response received Figvam.
      Putin cares about the real oligarchs than the future of Russia.
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 18 November 2017 18: 01 New
        +2
        These are the main communists nat. republics and the USSR collapsed, while Brokeback nonsense carried on TV.

        "December 8, 1991 in Belarus, in the government sanatorium" Viskuli "Boris Yeltsin, Stanislav Shushkevich and Leonid Kravchuk signed an agreement on the creation of the Union of Independent States and the elimination of the USSR"
        Read .. Analyze.
        1. stas
          stas 18 November 2017 19: 08 New
          +8
          They carried out a coup and deserved only the death penalty.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 04: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          "December 8, 1991 in Belarus, in the government sanatorium" Viskuli "Boris Yeltsin, Stanislav Shushkevich and Leonid Kravchuk signed an agreement on the creation of the Union of Independent States and the elimination of the USSR"

          And not a single leader of the Caucasian or Central Asian republics !!! And now something is scratched for emirs, khans and bais negative
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 04: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: stas
        These are the main communists nat. republics and the USSR collapsed, while Brokeback nonsense carried on TV.
        These nat. leaders wanted to become emirs of their slaves, and so they became.

        Actually Kazakhstan last (!!!) left the USSR. After Russia!
        Quote: stas
        Putin hold a referendum on Russia's future economy without capitalists and liberals in government.

        What immediacy and naivety))) And when, in history, the economic or political structure of society was decided by referendum?
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 November 2017 15: 41 New
    +6
    For the sake of the political ambitions of some individuals, entire nations suffer .... what request fool
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  4. Karen
    Karen 18 November 2017 16: 10 New
    0
    In the last years of the Union, the Nazarbays traveled on nature to Medeo on Saturdays ... two yurts ... well, depending on the decisions made there, the Kazakhstanis received instructions for the next week ...
  5. Igor V
    Igor V 18 November 2017 16: 13 New
    +8
    Once they laughed at Turkmenbashi, who introduced the Latin alphabet, and took the missing letters from the Cyrillic alphabet. The result was a funny mixture, as if you were reading from Boudun. smile Now no one is surprised by experiments with their own people. Just regret it.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 03 New
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      Quote: Igor V
      Once they laughed at Turkmenbashi, who introduced the Latin alphabet, and took the missing letters from the Cyrillic alphabet. The result was a funny mixture, as if you were reading from Boudun.

      In fact, today's Kazakh alphabet is a Cyrillic alphabet with the addition of Latin letters.
  6. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 18 November 2017 16: 13 New
    +2
    There were excesses .. With this, too, we will put things in order, it takes a little time .. Ten years, we will become the second Singapore ..
    1. avt
      avt 18 November 2017 16: 28 New
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      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Ten years, we will become the second Singapore ..

      Yeah! I’m even directly representing the inscription Vtoroi Sengapyr at the border crossings. bully
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 18 November 2017 17: 35 New
        +2
        Yeah! I’m even directly representing the inscription Vtoroi Sengapyr at the border crossings

        There will be no such inscription. After all, everything will be decided by the economy, not the inscription.
        And your banter .. Paleish .. Your avatar now looks like an element trying to make the Avatar owner more powerful ....)))
        Py.Sy. This is called cognitive dissonance.
        1. avt
          avt 18 November 2017 18: 23 New
          +9
          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          After all, everything will be decided by the economy, not the inscription.

          bully Yes, yes, yes ... We already heard that, and with Ruin we drove through. Straight - Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy bully Only carefully read the primary source of this thought, preferably in its entirety. Then come, let's talk.
        2. Elevator in the building
          Elevator in the building 21 November 2017 09: 44 New
          +2
          Oh .. And when you establish a “powerful economy”, who will you be: a) advanced Chinese, b) civilized euroopeics, or just a competitor / associate of “free poppy fields” ..? No, no, I understand, you are a cosmic power; who achieved everything and everything only on her own strength and sacrifice, and now that you have thrown off the cannibalistic imperial Soviet-Russian yoke - you, prove to everyone, are just interested, in the order of self-education, in order to have time to capture the "sprouts of a miracle" for yourself .. Hmm, maybe give back your debts ..
    2. GIN
      GIN 18 November 2017 16: 42 New
      +2
      Thailand in any case
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 18 November 2017 18: 25 New
      +3
      tudents, and among foreign low-skilled workers.
      What is waiting for Kazakhstan?
      There is no doubt that the Uzbek scenario will repeat in Kazakhstan. Kazakh experts themselves admit that the Republic of Kazakhstan does not have such financial resources to complete the transition to the Latin alphabet.


      -Will be the Irtysh-Ural Republic, 2-3 "second Kyrgyzstan" and Northern Uzbekistan
    4. 82т11
      82т11 19 November 2017 10: 10 New
      +3
      However, what kind of optimist you are, about 50 or 60 years old, and that would just deal with the problems of going to Latin. Although there may be nowhere to make money in Kazakhstan, only you first return territories to the Russian population to Russia and you can even switch to Chinese.
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: 82т11
        only you first return to Russia the territory with the Russian population

        There was practically no Russian population left there. This is not 1988, when 40% of Russians, 40% of Kazakhs and 20% of other nationalities lived in Kazakhstan ...
        1. ghby
          ghby 20 November 2017 10: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          There was practically no Russian population left there.

          In the North it’s quite, I think if we allow a referendum there, then the north will approach as well as the Crimea. Moreover, the Kazakhs are in the forefront, they will vote for accession :)
          The leader of the Nation is fooling around, fooling. They say all the nonsense that they drag him to sign everything, without analysis, and clearly nonsense contradicting each other. Is it weak? The question is who will be the successor. Well, how to develop a transition plan does not mean getting married :)
          1. mervino2007
            mervino2007 23 November 2017 17: 32 New
            0
            No, this is not nonsense. Purposeful action. Empowerment through ties with Turkish-speaking countries.
            But, at the same time, this did not take into account the reduced opportunities for relations with the Russian Federation. A cold shower is ahead.
    5. Humpty
      Humpty 19 November 2017 12: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Ten years, we will become the second Singapore ..

      Singapore in the mahalla is not growing. Younger daughters-in-law grow there, whose duty it is to clean used pieces of clay. He presented the picture: she cleaned a bucket of clay pieces, put on a burqa and went to write in Latin, to read Shakespeare without translation. Idylls.
      Singaporeans burst with envy.
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 13: 04 New
        +1
        Singapore does not grow in the mahalla

        You do not choke there with bile .. Be simpler, good for your health.
        We’ll talk about 5 years later, especially against the backdrop of the “successes” of your country ..)
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 19 November 2017 14: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          We’ll talk about 5 years later, especially against the backdrop of the “successes” of your country ..)

          My people and my country are quite successful, despite the internal and external problems, the betrayal of the former "brothers". By the way, I sincerely wish success to your country, I am morally interested in this, not out of the most noble motives, therefore, I certainly do not bend my soul. I consider Uzbekistan traditional
          for the CA by the state, along with Russia and China. But the "institution of younger dreams," as well as other shameful remnants of the past, must be discarded.
          1. Razvedka_Boem
            Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 15: 32 New
            +2
            By the way, I sincerely wish success to your country

            Thank you the same.
            He presented the picture: she cleaned a bucket of clay pieces, put on a burqa and went to write in Latin, to read Shakespeare without translation. Idylls.

            But the “institution of younger dreams”, as well as other shameful remnants of the past, must be disposed of.

            We don’t wear a burqa. Adobe houses remained only in remote rural areas.
            The capital of the state is usually the most vivid impression when tourists visit another country. Just come to Tashkent for a week and take a walk on it, see people, the city ..
            1. Humpty
              Humpty 19 November 2017 15: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              We don’t wear a burqa.

              I saw in childhood, as they wear, now there is more Islam.
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              The capital of the state is usually the most vivid impression when tourists visit another country. Just come to Tashkent for a week and take a walk on it, see people, the city ..

              I want to see Samarkand, if it becomes easy, I will definitely go. In the meantime, riding in Badakhshan is safer and cheaper.
              1. Razvedka_Boem
                Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 16: 58 New
                +1
                I saw in childhood, as they wear, now Islam is more

                Religion is under our tight control.
                In the meantime, riding in Badakhshan is safer and cheaper

                For tourists, Uzbekistan is one of the safest countries.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 22 New
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          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          We’ll talk about 5 years later, especially against the backdrop of the “successes” of your country ..)

          And what is planned in Uzbekistan in 5 years? 5 years - minuscule. That in 5 years there would be a result, you need to work today! Give me examples of large-scale infrastructure projects being implemented today. And the volume of investment in the development of Uzbekistan.
          1. Razvedka_Boem
            Razvedka_Boem 20 November 2017 05: 45 New
            +2
            Give me examples of large-scale infrastructure projects being implemented today. And the volume of investment in the development of Uzbekistan.

            Today's investments in Uzbekistan by foreign countries amount to tens of billions of dollars.
            This is Russia - mainly petrochemical projects and agriculture.
            France, Germany - Auto and Electronics
            Turkey is a tourism industry and other projects.
            South Korea, China - electronics, roads, exploration, hydroelectric power stations -"The new hydroelectric power station, which will be located on the Pskem River in the Bostanlyk district of Tashkent region, will become the second largest in Uzbekistan after the Charvak hydroelectric station and one of the largest in the region. Its capacity will be about 400 MW, and the average annual electricity generation will be 900 million kilowatt / hours of electricity.
            The total cost of the project, according to experts, will exceed $ 800 million, of which Uzbekistan itself invests most. In addition, it is planned to attract about $ 240 million of loan funds from the Chinese Eximbank. "

            Work is underway to restore the Single Energy Ring in Central Asia.
            An agreement is being prepared on the resumption of gas supplies to Tajikistan.
            Interestlessly requested export-import.
            The production of agricultural equipment and subway cars and much, much more is being established.

            Here is part of what we are doing now.
            http://podrobno.uz/cat/economic/vse-svoe-rodnoe-v
            -tashkente-otkrylas-vystavka-made-in-uzbekistan-f
            oto /
        3. Elevator in the building
          Elevator in the building 21 November 2017 09: 54 New
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          But while you are here, and write in Cyrillic, and not in your Latin alphabet .. No, no, in no way try to be rude, honestly, your opinion is also interesting to us, I just noticed, for show. You FSE is still not "second Singapore" ..
          1. Siban
            Siban 21 November 2017 12: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Hiss
            But while you are here, and write in Cyrillic, but not you in your Latin alphabet ..

            Actually, you write on the Internet, which the Americans use the Latin alphabet laughing And the Military Review portal itself is based in Germany, in the German domain, by the way. There was such a conversation.
    6. Megatron
      Megatron 19 November 2017 13: 18 New
      +3
      Yeah, somewhere we already heard that, now about Singapore too.
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 14: 24 New
        +3
        Yeah, somewhere we already heard that, now about Singapore too.

        I just want to treat you normally .. But it requires more and more effort ..)
        This is despite the fact that you and your kind are already initially negative towards us.
        If everything is fine with us, this will mean that Russia may not be worried about its southern borders.
        We, Uzbekistan, which borders Afghanistan, are a real force that keeps the region stable, a couple of Russian bases in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan themselves will not gain much.
        It is also surprising that the opinions of people who have never been in our country, or who have been with us a couple of decades ago, are surprising.
        I must say that the scale of the reforms that we are carrying out now is very large. But like any reforms, it takes some time for their effect to be visible.
        When the GDP came to power, hardly anyone expected that he would manage to change something.
        But he did it. Against all odds.
        And we will do it.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 19 November 2017 14: 40 New
          +4
          If everything is so “good” for you, what does the gender of the Uzbekiston do with us? I hope the national policy will still change in the coming years, introduce a visa regime for the CIS countries, and send your Gastrikians home.
          1. Razvedka_Boem
            Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 15: 07 New
            +3
            If everything is so “good” for you, what does the gender of the Uzbekiston do with us?

            I'm not talking about Russia - Raska, please be so kind as to spell the name of my country.
            Once again - we are making changes, but for them to become noticeable to you, you need at least a couple more years.
            Far from half of Uzbekistan in Russia, but about a couple million actually earn money in other countries.
            At the same time, various restrictions apply to labor migrants from Uzbekistan, which do not apply to citizens of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. But the flow of drugs and various crime comes from just the same side of the citizens of these two states who have a more favored nation treatment.
            However, it is noticeable that the analysis is not your strong point.
            The population of Uzbekistan is approximately 32 million people. This is more than the population of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan combined.
            Also, given everything that happens, the flow of people who want to go to Russia from us is
            decreases, those villagers (and it’s the villagers who come to you) that want to work abroad, are increasingly choosing South Korea.
            1. Humpty
              Humpty 19 November 2017 15: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              increasingly choose South Korea.

              A positive sign, someone is not alien to labor discipline.
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              At the same time, various restrictions apply to labor migrants from Uzbekistan, which do not apply to citizens of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

              These structures in Russia have a higher status.
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              But the flow of drugs and various crime comes from just the same side of the citizens of these two states who have a more favored nation treatment.

              I don’t argue, but who by nationality are the citizens of Kyrgyzstan, who are now seized in Russia as Islamic extremists ... can you admit?
              1. Razvedka_Boem
                Razvedka_Boem 19 November 2017 15: 24 New
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                I don’t argue, but who by nationality are the citizens of Kyrgyzstan, who are now seized in Russia as Islamic extremists ... can you admit?

                The key word is the citizens of Kyrgyzstan.
                Nationality has nothing to do with it. Deficiency of your special services.
                And in my country a couple of dozen nationalities coexist peacefully.
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                  And in my country a couple of dozen nationalities coexist peacefully.

                  Are you the youth telling such tales? But what about Fergana? What about Osh?



                  1. Razvedka_Boem
                    Razvedka_Boem 20 November 2017 06: 25 New
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                    Are you the youth telling such tales? But what about Fergana? What about Osh?

                    Events in Ferghana took place during the Soviet era.
                    And the city of Osh in general is the territory of another state - Kyrgyzstan.
                    It is already clear that you are a troll .. Therefore, I think it is pointless to continue further dialogue with you.
                    Py.Sy. We have dozens of nationalities living, for example, the Minister of Preschool Education - Agrippina Shin (Korean)
                    In government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, there are many Russian-speaking people of different nationalities.
                    1. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 07: 17 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                      And the city of Osh in general is the territory of another state - Kyrgyzstan.

                      On the border of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, this will be a bickering one, especially in the region of Osh and Batken regions, which does not matter under whose jurisdiction this or that village. I wrote about something else: about interethnic relations between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz. And between the Uzbeks and Tajiks is not better ...
                      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                      Py.Sy. We have dozens of nationalities living, for example, the Minister of Preschool Education - Agrippina Shin (Korean)

                      What kind of ministry is this?
                      Minister of Public Education of the Republic of Uzbekistan - INOGATOV Ulugbek Ilyasovich.
                      The Minister of Higher and Secondary Special Education of the Republic of Uzbekistan is KASIMOV Rustam Sabirovich.
                      Is this some kind of remake? The more ministries, the more jobs for officials?
                      By the way, according to your tip, I looked at the composition of the government of Uzbekistan (without the ministry of preschool education) Nikoto did not see there, except for Uzbeks. Do you have more examples?
            2. captain
              captain 19 November 2017 16: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Razvedka_Boem
              If everything is so “good” for you, what does the gender of the Uzbekiston do with us?

              I'm not talking about Russia - Raska, please be so kind as to spell the name of my country.
              Once again - we are making changes, but for them to become noticeable to you, you need at least a couple more years.
              Far from half of Uzbekistan in Russia, but about a couple million actually earn money in other countries.
              At the same time, various restrictions apply to labor migrants from Uzbekistan, which do not apply to citizens of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. But the flow of drugs and various crime comes from just the same side of the citizens of these two states who have a more favored nation treatment.
              However, it is noticeable that the analysis is not your strong point.
              The population of Uzbekistan is approximately 32 million people. This is more than the population of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan combined.
              Also, given everything that happens, the flow of people who want to go to Russia from us is
              decreases, those villagers (and it’s the villagers who come to you) that want to work abroad, are increasingly choosing South Korea.

              He does not understand you, he is a Bolshevik.
          2. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 21 November 2017 09: 52 New
            +1
            what gender does uzbekistonom do with us

            I can’t speak for everyone, but I know one diaspora - consistently the best shawarma that I ate / eat. In terms of size / quality / price ratio - there are simply no competitors. 40-50% there is stupid chicken fillet. Yes, the composition is always a little different (well, that is, dill, then no, then boiled chicken, then from the grill), but it's even fun. In appearance - hard workers, hard workers. Polite, clean and do not smell anything bad. Their cuisine is clearly not "swine." So it’s quite the zbs.

            PS I wouldn’t really like to let these go - here, in Siberia, they are very useful members of society.

            PPS Damn, I'm a programmer, I need to get up at 6: 00-6: 30 in the morning. Hard. And in the 8th they already sell me fresh shawarma. This is afiget - they also "neither light nor dawn must get up."
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 21 November 2017 16: 43 New
              0
              I can’t speak for everyone, but I know one diaspora

              I met a girl from Surgut a long time ago in our area .. I only have a positive attitude towards Siberians ..)))
              To judge a whole nation by labor migrants .. Only a narrow-minded person will make such a mistake.
              I am sure - I cause cognitive dissonance among my commentators)
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: Razvedka_Boem
          This is despite the fact that you and your kind are already initially negative towards us.

          Yes, not negatively, but skeptically! Feel the difference. It’s just that we have already passed all this - all these pink snot about a capitalist paradise in 500 days! Therefore, we were vaccinated against empty fantasies and look at the World more soberly! Here Ukraine, which stated about the second France, gets the result from its fantasies and the hangover they have not yet come. Now you are declaring a second Singapore, completely not understanding what you are rallying about. No grounds, no prerequisites, or even similar starting features of some kind ... A naked slogan!
          1. Razvedka_Boem
            Razvedka_Boem 20 November 2017 06: 28 New
            0
            No grounds, no prerequisites, or even similar starting features of some kind ... A naked slogan!

            I wrote you a few numbers.
            It’s you, completely unaware of the volume of reforms that is happening now, you are absolutely biased towards us, you are making erroneous conclusions.
            Figures on the economy of Uzbekistan, the ongoing changes in our country, investments in our country - it is easy to find, would be a desire.
    7. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Ten years, we will become the second Singapore ..

      Will Uzbekistan become the second Singapore? belay
      What's behind these conclusions? Ukraine once claimed to be the second France. So there were even prerequisites: a favorable location of the territory, Europe / Asia transit, access to the sea, developed infrastructure, powerful industry, highly educated population, resource base, favorable soil and climatic conditions ... Hence the highest GDP growth in Europe - 12% in year! Up to the first Maidan. So did not give! And turned it into what it is!
      But in Uzbekistan (or rather, personally, in your country), where do such ambitions come from? And where to count these 10 years from? From what year. Give a little - 10 years just around the corner. It was necessary to write 50. And there either they themselves, or donkey, or emir ... Remember your own classics!
      The likelihood that Uzbekistan will become a second Afghanistan is 1000% more than becoming a second Singapore! Russia is the only factor that keeps Uzbekistan from sliding to the Iblis state! And here you are voicing some fantasies about the second Singapore ...
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 20 November 2017 05: 52 New
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        The likelihood that Uzbekistan will become a second Afghanistan is 1000% more than becoming a second Singapore! Russia is the only factor that keeps Uzbekistan from sliding to the Iblis state! And here you are voicing some fantasies about the second Singapore ...

        Have you been with us? And if there were - when? I’m even lazy to prove something to you, because it’s clear that the stereotypes that have settled in your head cannot be changed by communication on the Internet.
        Wait and see.
        We are not Ukraine. We are Uzbekistan. And I love my country and am proud of it and I will do my best that my country prospered.
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    9. Selevc
      Selevc 22 November 2017 16: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Ten years, we will become the second Singapore ..

      Yes, you will !!! - roll your lip wider !!! Ukraine has already lived richly - in 2013, foreigners came to us and said "How richly you live !!!" - The USA together with Europe helped Ukraine to become impoverished very quickly !!! Something similar will happen with Kazakhstan - the world gendarme is vigilantly looking to ensure that there are no "Singaporeans" and other economic miracles in the post-Soviet space !!!
  7. Pereira
    Pereira 18 November 2017 16: 33 New
    +1
    Not everything is harmonious with them. Sorry, did not save the picture - Salon fart. - Salon curtains.

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  8. andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 November 2017 16: 53 New
    +4
    Everything is true about Uzbekistan, I confirm and subscribe to every word. I pay tribute to the tact and sense of proportion to the Author!
    1. avt
      avt 18 November 2017 18: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: andrewkor
      . I pay tribute to the tact and sense of proportion to the author!

      wassat Is that all? In fact, the author quite well painted the causes and possible consequences in the medium term of this act ... the pogrom of the education system in national places. This really draws on a full-fledged analytics, in the format "and worthy of respect. good
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 19 November 2017 03: 43 New
        +1
        So I don’t pretend to be the personal reviewer of the Author, like Nikolai the first was for Pushkin. Well, what kind of article should I roll back in response? There are no talents! And there are enough commentators without me
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 18 November 2017 19: 08 New
    +8
    Whatever side you look at, this reform is not the best idea for Kazakhstan.

    Most importantly, no one is going to do the best. for Kazakhstan or for someone else. Quite the contrary.
    At the beginning of the 90's, when everything began to be translated sharply from Russian into Uzbek, there were a lot of jokes.
    For example, “airport” was translated as “Thayer hona,” which literally means a bird’s nest, the airplane’s landing gear has become a bird’s paw. The phone became a "long ear", and medical instruments in gynecology were called through swear words using the obscene name of the female organ (such as the "gynecological mirror" was called the "... mirror"). And it was not because the authors wanted to poke fun, and there were no such words in the Uzbek language.
    Accustomed, cleaned up. Years through 50 and get used to the Latin alphabet. The basis of the culture will be Coca-Cola and you will not need to read your writers.
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 18 November 2017 19: 51 New
      +7
      I also worked in Uzbekistan when nationalists seized power there. The late Karimov had just become Secretary and immediately there was a detour of the head physician through the building. He then came to me and said: "Immediately change the tablet with the Russian name into Uzbek." And how to translate into Uzbek "Vibro-acoustic laboratory"? Do not know? So I didn’t know, but I rummaged through the dictionaries, I had a good grandfather, with the spelling of words in all variants: in the first, still Arabic, the second - in Latin and the extreme - Cyrillic. So I got Vibro-Acoustic Laboratory. But the new head physician was pleased.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 20 November 2017 13: 46 New
        0
        You probably remember that the people have translated Santa Claus, calling the Batman bobo.
        And Baba Yaga became a nightmare. laughing
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 22: 12 New
          0
          Quote: glory1974
          Santa Claus, naming batter of the bobo.

          what bobo is it on? They said: Kolotun-aha. But the nightmare also remained ...
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 21 November 2017 10: 47 New
            +1
            what bobo is it on?

            bobo in Uzbek in my opinion grandfather
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: glory1974
      "piz ... th mirror"

      In the sense of a "good mirror"? laughing
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 20 November 2017 13: 44 New
        0
        In the sense of a mirror to inspect "this" wassat
  10. Awaz
    Awaz 18 November 2017 20: 03 New
    +2
    This is not the first time I have been saying this is their problem. If they move, there will be more problems and only ..
  11. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 18 November 2017 22: 01 New
    +1
    What are you so attached to this alphabet? write in Kazakh dictations ??? Let them do whatever they want, time will tell.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Babalaykin
      What are you so attached to this alphabet? write in Kazakh dictations ??? Let them do whatever they want, time will tell.

      This is another step towards breaking cultural ties. And that means breaking up our peoples. For this, Russia came to Central Asia, so that everything would be surrendered now?
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 28 November 2017 19: 07 New
        +1
        A few facts and draw your own conclusions.
        1. By a government decree, it is accepted that the number of hours to study two state. languages ​​in Kazakhstan should be equal regardless of the language in which a particular school teaches. That is, the study of the Russian language even in the most remote Kazakh village will be complete and compulsory.
        2. With 25% of the Slavic population in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the number of Russian schools is 50%. This is not counting that 88 schools teach in Uzbek, Uyghur, Ukrainian and Tajik languages.
        3. Read about the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan, where all nat. Diasporas of the country. They were given 9 seats in parliament and the right to ratify laws.
        My opinion about the transition. There are 6 Turkic countries in the world. Of these, 3 have a Latin alphabet, a population of 120 million people. The other three Latin letters, incl. Kazakhstan, with a population of about 25 million .. Moreover, the "main" in terms of population have Latin alphabet, Turkey and Uzbekistan (per 100 ml.). That NAS and does not want to "lag behind" in this matter. hi
        We are creating the EAEU, and Kazakhstan and the National Academy of Sciences have played a significant role in this. He then sittits in the chair of the president, who constantly speaks for integration. And if we take into account that the population is mainly Soviet, then support is provided to it (of course, multinational also plays a big role - 130 peoples live in Kazakhstan).
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 28 November 2017 21: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          1. By a government decree, it is accepted that the number of hours to study two state. languages ​​in Kazakhstan should be equal regardless of the language in which a particular school teaches. That is, the study of the Russian language even in the most remote Kazakh village will be complete and compulsory.

          I don’t know how it is in the villages, you know better, but in the cities ... Specifically: Semipalatinsk, school number 3, which I graduated in 92, now (I was in Semsk last year) now switched to Kazakh, Russian classes left until Release, more in Russian do not accept. And so in all the schools of the city, except the first gymnasium!
          Quote: Kasym
          2. With 25% of the Slavic population in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the number of Russian schools is 50%. This is not counting that 88 schools teach in Uzbek, Uyghur, Ukrainian and Tajik languages.

          Question: In 1988, according to the census, there were 40% of Russians. Where did it happen and from what? I myself, born and raised in Semipalatinsk, live in the Urals. Why?
          Quote: Kasym
          3. Read about the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan, where all nat. Diasporas of the country. They were given 9 seats in parliament and the right to ratify laws.

          My ancestors are Semirechye Cossacks. For 200 years the empire’s border has been kept. In the early 90s, I was a member of the Semirechensk Cossack Army. Our organization was banned, and leaders arrested. And you tell me tales of
          Quote: Kasym
          all nat. Diasporas of the country. They were given 9 seats in parliament and the right to ratify laws.

          negative
          Quote: Kasym
          Kazakhstan, with a population of about 25 million.

          You are not friends with your head at all? Or do you have your own world there? With a banned VO site?
          The total population of Kazakhstan as of September 1, 2017 is 18. And this includes Karaites resettled from China.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 28 November 2017 22: 00 New
            +1
            Alma-Ata. MKR Koktem-1,2,3. 21st, 10th - Russians, 51st, RPMSh and Muzshkola - mixed, 81 and 136 - Kazakhs. The Russian community can simply demand through the ANC and there will be no problems with schools in Semsk (in Almaty it is located in the building of the Malaya Arena, near the stadium).
            Even the Semirechensky Cossacks have a website. You are behind life.
            The ANC is writing laws, not just ratifying them. How to communicate without Russian if 129 diasporas do not know Kazakh? Go to the ANC website. There are complaints, please contact at least the prosecutor’s office - they must answer in writing.
            Read carefully for 25 million. I wrote: "Other THREE, incl. Kazakhstan, with a population of about 25 mil.".
  12. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 18 November 2017 22: 08 New
    +4
    Such articles are written here, and there are comments beyond the bounds, as a result TOPVAR was banned in Kazakhstan, they covered a bench. So there are few Kazakhs here now.

    Now I’m like a bum, for a week I didn’t visit which countries to read the topvar.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 19 November 2017 00: 12 New
      +4
      Freedom of speech, however. Everyone writes what he wants, and not what the leaders of the neighboring state like.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 19 November 2017 05: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Babalaykin
      Such articles are written here, and comments are beyond the scope of how TOPVAR was banned in Kazakhstan,


      What is serious or what? .Hard case . Collapse picture of the world. By the way, VO - has the status of an official media outlet.
      Some Kazakhs had crawled breaths from the happiness of going to the Latin alphabet as from Chinese lace panties. Others understand that this will lower the level of education even lower.
      The previous bright initiative was an attempt to rename the country into "Cossack ate", which means not what is read, but "land of Kazakhs" or "Kazakh people", the difference in possible translations does not matter, the language is state!
      The "reason" for the renaming attempt was supposedly to attract foreign tourists. According to the president, foreigners fear the end of the (hated Persian) camp.
      1. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin 19 November 2017 14: 11 New
        +2
        They’ve covered up for two weeks now. he has status only in the Russian Federation.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 19 November 2017 22: 22 New
          +2
          Have you already bled from Lithuania to Germany? smile
          1. Babalaykin
            Babalaykin 8 December 2017 21: 21 New
            0
            Yes, I already where only was not)) we can say the whole planet has been revised. But it is not convenient to bypass the block.
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Humpty
        The "reason" for the renaming attempt was supposedly to attract foreign tourists. According to the president, foreigners fear the end of the (hated Persian) camp.

        Once Nazarbayev arrived in my native Semipalatinsk and speaking in the City Council, unexpectedly, he suggested renaming the city to Semey. Justification - the name Semipalatinsk discourages tourists and investors, as it is associated with a nuclear testing ground. Voted unanimously! Was last summer at home - no tourists, no investment ...
    3. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Babalaykin
      TOPVAR is banned in Kazakhstan,

      How long ago? I met here Kazakhstani flags. Recently...
      1. Siban
        Siban 21 November 2017 12: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        How long ago? I met here Kazakhstani flags. Recently...

        So recently and banned .. wink By the way, "Military Review" was blocked in Belarus. Belarusians unsubscribed .. "I wonder why" ... lol
        1. Zalym
          Zalym 23 November 2017 13: 49 New
          +2
          You can climb through the proxy, but soon the proxies will be banned.
          1. Walking
            Walking 23 November 2017 19: 09 New
            +1
            I had to go to the detour. And yes, the site in Kazakhstan is blocked.
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  14. spartak2014
    spartak2014 19 November 2017 06: 20 New
    +2
    Nazarbayev does not think about his people, but cares about his name.
  15. DON-100
    DON-100 19 November 2017 13: 11 New
    +1
    Which article in a row on this subject ... what is the matter of asking the Russians about the Kazakh alphabet. Kazakhstan is a sovereign state, even if they want to do so, we have enough of our own problems.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 05: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: DON-100
      Which article in a row on this subject ... what is the matter of asking the Russians about the Kazakh alphabet. Kazakhstan is a sovereign state, even if they want to do so, we have enough of our own problems.

      But what matters to the Russians, in general, to something that is happening in the world? Let them bury themselves in their feeder and not blather? Is that your logic?
    2. mervino2007
      mervino2007 23 November 2017 17: 55 New
      0
      There is something in common: culture, history ... To ruin all this - and we will become poorer, this is a two-way road ...
  16. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 November 2017 15: 31 New
    +2
    The fact that the republics of the former scoop of Russia are not allies and everyone is sick with Russophobia is more than obvious ...
  17. captain
    captain 19 November 2017 16: 44 New
    +4
    Kazakhstan is an independent country created by the Bolsheviks (giving them 6 regions of the Russian Federation, or rather all Cossack lands, together with the people). Therefore, I do not understand the groans of true Leninists about the actions of the Kazakhs. When did you give land to the people, what did you think? Now what do you want? Leave the Kazakhs alone, they themselves came up with this country, betraying the interests of the Russian people. For this, none of you have been jailed or even convicted. But it was worth it.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 06: 01 New
      0
      Quote: captain
      Kazakhstan is an independent country created by the Bolsheviks (giving them 6 regions of the Russian Federation, or rather all Cossack lands, together with the people).

      What flight of thought, however ... That is, the Bolsheviks created an independent state of Kazakhstan from the lands of the Russian Federation, on which the Cossacks lived - served by the Russian Empire? belay
  18. RUSS
    RUSS 19 November 2017 17: 28 New
    0
    On the World map that is attached to this article, there is a plot marked with a different color in the region of Tatarstan, is it really a Latin in Tatarstan?
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 06: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      On the World map that is attached to this article, there is a plot marked with a different color in the region of Tatarstan, is it really a Latin in Tatarstan?

      Since 2013, the use of the Latin alphabet and Arabica is allowed when citizens apply to state bodies.
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 20 November 2017 08: 40 New
    +2
    Yet it is simple, all these leaders of the new republics are trying to pull them away from Russia as far as possible, until people realized that only together we are stronger, see why Stalin’s authority is growing? Only by the fact that the country developed under him, there were drawbacks, he was not to blame for all. And now migrant workers are leaving their republics, reducing the level of indignation, and they are sending money to their homeland, but they see Russia developing without them and they are slipping into the feudal system. What to do "elbasy" only to separate to tear as far as possible, that there would be no common language, that would not be able to agree.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 November 2017 22: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      What to do "elbasy" only to separate to tear as far as possible, that there would be no common language, that would not be able to agree.

      Yes, this is a quarter of a century already happening! We realized ...
  20. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 22 November 2017 13: 05 New
    +3
    This reform will not give anything to the Kazakhs, but will eventually divide people. Maybe this is the meaning of the Elbashi reform, maybe it is afraid that Pavlodar and Kustanai regions will move home to Russia?
  21. Siberian
    Siberian 23 November 2017 10: 54 New
    +1
    In the early 2000s, she worked on customs clearance, so young Kazakhs did not even know “hello” in Russian. Moreover, she went out to their crowd and asked who could help us: nobody could explain to him what to do!
    And now? Some kind of unfortunate 12-13 years passed and a miracle - everyone understands everything and expresses themselves. Probably, everything will be rotated, I just don’t know the period, it will most likely be reduced.
  22. mervino2007
    mervino2007 23 November 2017 18: 04 New
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    Quote: captain
    Kazakhstan is an independent country created by the Bolsheviks (giving them 6 regions of the Russian Federation, or rather all Cossack lands, together with the people).

    Ha. They have inherited everywhere: and expanded hohland at the expense of our lands and people; the lands were taken from Armenia and given to the Turks .... The idea crushed the world victory of the proletariat. Now people disentangle ...