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The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about assistance to Poland from the USSR

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The Ministry of Defense in the framework of the multimedia project "Memory against Oblivion" published unique historical Documents from the funds of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation telling about the Soviet Union providing material assistance to Poland in 1944-1945: helppoland.mil.ru.


The published documents provide information on USSR assistance to the population of Polish cities liberated by the Red Army units with food, medicines, vehicles, fuel and raw materials for industrial enterprises. According to archival documents, the assistance of the Soviet Union to liberated Poland came from the material stocks of the Red Army and from the reserves of the people's commissariats of the USSR.

The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about assistance to Poland from the USSR


During the period from March to November 1945, food and fodder worth more than 1,5 billion rubles in 1945 prices were transferred by the Soviet Union to provide for the population and for the sowing campaign. In accordance with the employment contract, the Provisional Government of Poland delivered over 2 thousand tons of food, 3 thousand tons of cotton, 1945 thousand tons of large skins, more than 130 thousand trucks during the 20 and 100 quarters of the 2 year.
- added to the military department.

From the resources of the 1 and 2 of the Belarusian and 1 of the Ukrainian fronts, more than 8 thousand tons of meat was transferred to the Polish railway workers, coal miners and other workers in the form of one-time assistance for the supply of Polish railroad workers, coal miners and other workers.

The declassified documents provide data on the restoration of the Polish Army and bridges destroyed by the German occupiers by the Red Army units. So, only by the forces of the railway parts of the 1 of the Byelorussian Front in Poland more than 5 thousand of kilometers of railways, 12,5 of thousand of wire-kilometers of railway communication were restored; more than 30 thousand linear meters of bridges were built and repaired.

Great interest of users will be caused by the first published Agreement between the Soviet military command and the interim government of the Polish Republic on the use of equipment of German enterprises and other property located in Poland. In particular, it noted that, without exception, all Polish plants and equipment were transferred to the Poles, their dismantling and export was strictly prohibited.

The documents declassified by the Russian Ministry of Defense also reflect the unprecedented amounts of money transferred to Poland, the number of Soviet military and civilian specialists involved in the restoration of the country's economy.

Historical documents were not previously published in open sources and were available only to a narrow circle of specialists.

October 21 2017 in Poland entered into force the law on decommunization, which threatens to demolish the monuments of the Red Army, which brought liberation from fascism to the Polish people. One of the first "victims" of the barbaric law was a monument of gratitude to the Red Army in the Polish city of Szczecin.

The multimedia project “Memory Against Oblivion” was a continuation of a series of archival documents of the 1944-1945 period published by the Russian Ministry of Defense on the liberation of Poland by the Red Army from the Nazi occupation and revealing how much this victory went to our country.

The Russian Ministry of Defense publishes historical documents in order to counter attempts to falsify history and preserve historical truth.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 16 November 2017 18: 15 New
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    All this is wonderful, but the point? To awaken a feeling of gratitude to the present-day Poles for the Soviet soldiers-liberators? This is no use.
    It would be better if the false memorial to the “victims of the Soviet regime” in Katyn was closed in response to the demolition by the Poles of the monuments to our soldiers who died for the liberation of Poland.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 November 2017 18: 20 New
      36
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      To awaken a feeling of gratitude to the present-day Poles for the Soviet soldiers-liberators? Without

      Well, yes, in "gratitude" they demolish the monuments to Soviet soldiers. negative Churchill correctly called these European hyenas. yes
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 16 November 2017 18: 30 New
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        Churchill is undeniable here!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 19: 46 New
          +6
          The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about assistance to Poland from the USSR

          And the logs still yelled "fyfsofrety!" ? lol
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 16 November 2017 19: 49 New
            +2
            Pasha, they, on the basis of decommunization and Russophobia, do not hear common sense and do not accept. Forgot the ungrateful ... that exist thanks to the Soviet Union
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 19: 54 New
              +2
              Nothing, they will remember in the next world, but it will be too late! am
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 16 November 2017 19: 57 New
                +2
                I would like to still feel in this world
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 16 November 2017 21: 05 New
                  +3
                  And it is up to the MTR to decide. wink
                  1. CALL.
                    CALL. 17 November 2017 00: 29 New
                    +7
                    Only for the period from March to November 1945, for the provision of the population and for the sowing campaign, the Soviet Union transferred food and fodder worth more than 1,5 billion rubles in 1945 prices. In accordance with the labor agreement, the Provisional Government of Poland delivered over 2 thousand tons of food, 3 thousand tons of cotton, 1945 thousand tons of large leathers, more than 130 thousand trucks during the 20nd and 100rd quarters of 2, the military department added.


                    And the virtues of the then EU
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 16 November 2017 21: 44 New
              +6
              Quote: pvv113
              they, on the basis of decommunization and Russophobia, do not hear common sense and do not accept.

              here it’s completely different ... because of decommunization they simply lost common sense !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 16 November 2017 21: 55 New
                +2
                Was there a boy, i.e. common sense? wink
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 17 November 2017 00: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: pvv113
                  Was there a boy, i.e. common sense? wink

                  what what Well, you wrote that they didn’t just lose him, but they just don’t hear or accept !!! wassat wassat tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 17 November 2017 07: 56 New
                    +1
                    And I write: there is none of ours, but they don’t perceive from the outside wink
      2. Going
        Going 16 November 2017 18: 32 New
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        Churchill was a virtuoso in these matters, and Panov is not expecting an enviable future; the older generation knows this with such an attitude towards Russia, but they missed the young ones.
      3. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 16 November 2017 19: 30 New
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        Quote: 79807420129
        Churchill correctly called these European hyenas.

        Well, Churchill said a lot of things, and not everything is right,
        To recognize the Bolsheviks is the same as to legitimize homosexuality. (1919)

        and now the arrogant Saxons say one thing and do another
        1. Achtaba1970
          Achtaba1970 16 November 2017 20: 59 New
          +2
          But legalized, and same-sex marriages allowed with ..ki.
        2. Baby sitter
          Baby sitter 16 November 2017 21: 47 New
          +2
          Well homosexuals then legalized. So that? The Bolsheviks rule?
    2. Political Department-M
      Political Department-M 16 November 2017 18: 22 New
      +9
      They won’t believe it anyway ...! Let everything be as it is and a good lesson to us for the future ..
      "Do not do good, you will not get evil .." (although to me, as a matter of fact, sincere Russian, this saying warps ..)
      But the facts are on the face ...
      1. Orel
        Orel 16 November 2017 18: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Political Department-M
        They won’t believe it anyway ...! Let everything be as it is and a good lesson to us for the future ..


        Of course they won’t believe it. Exactly the same as today they do not believe how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s. They brought food, they handed out here. There was such an organization of American assistance (ARA). The whole system was, and then we also carried out industrialization. The Stalingrad Tractor Plant in the United States was entirely produced and transported to the USSR, mounted by the Americans, though it is no longer free, but this is a plant all the same. All of their specialists were either kicked out of the country or shot. I had to learn from the "ideological" capitalists.

        For some reason we remember how we helped someone, but those who helped us are quickly forgotten because of political differences. Therefore, the Poles in this respect are no worse and no better than us. We ourselves would have to learn the history of sincerely perceive how it was, and not in any way and profitable, for a start, and then to teach others hi
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 16 November 2017 18: 37 New
          21
          Quote: Orel
          Exactly the same as today they do not believe how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s.
          Only at first did the Western countries intervene against Soviet Russia, and after its failure established the economic and food blockade of our country.
          1. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Only at first did the Western countries intervene against Soviet Russia, and after its failure established the economic and food blockade of our country.


            It began ... Well, read about the causes of famine in the country. I understand that everywhere Kisel-TV is already like a fifth year, but then there is no secret. Revolution, civil war and crop failure. Here is the result.

            If the West then wanted to conquer the USSR, then it would have done it. Have you forgotten how one Czechoslovak corps drove whole red armies ??? Because the personnel corps is the army, and the recruited crowd with rifles is the crowd, even if they are 20 times more. Therefore, the West did not have any goal to conquer the USSR; if it were, they would conquer. Then really the country, state and army did not exist. Just nobody needed it.
            1. K-50
              K-50 16 November 2017 20: 21 New
              +7
              Quote: Orel
              Therefore, the West did not have any goal to conquer the USSR; if it were, they would conquer.

              Yeah, they didn’t want to, they had too many casualties, and voters do not forgive this. request
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: Orel
              Because the personnel corps is the army, and the recruited crowd with rifles is the crowd, even if they are 20 times more.

              However, it was these very “crowds with rifles” that defeated all these cadre armies of interventionists and White Guards and these “crowds” did not always have a numerical advantage.
            3. long in stock.
              long in stock. 17 November 2017 22: 32 New
              0
              yeah right now ... how did it come out of your head that at that time a bayonet in the ground was relevant for the Entente too. the soldiers were at their best. don’t you know the uprisings in the French army and navy? but in vain .. and take it for your work and take a look who the Czechs drove .. they were in the depths of Russia, where did the cadre units come from. by the way, the Greeks tried to conquer the defeated Turkey with the help of the Greeks, it ended in failure. if it weren’t for our orders, they themselves would have accumulated, they generally had a great depression at that time .. there was nothing for people to eat, and here work works for gold .. you know the surface material.
          2. Dimachrus
            Dimachrus 17 November 2017 08: 17 New
            +2
            And also it is worth remembering about the concentration camps created by amers in those years where people were dying of hunger and cold !!! It was their experience that the Nazis later adopted!
        2. panther
          panther 16 November 2017 18: 47 New
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          Well, not everyone has forgotten. As far as I know, in the League of Nations they refused to help starving Russia, because the Bolsheviks are worse than hunger, let everyone die. Private organizations such as the ARA, the Nansen Foundation, the Communists helped, even the Pope participated. Future FBI chief Hoover, working for an oil company, sent help. He was interested in oil contracts in Baku. Saved several thousand lives, capitalist smile
          1. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Panther
            Private organizations such as the ARA, the Nansen Foundation, the Communists helped, even the Pope participated. Future FBI chief Hoover, working for an oil company, sent help. He was interested in oil contracts in Baku. Saved several thousand lives, capitalist


            And the US Congress, you forgot. I don’t know whether on purpose or not, but judging by your knowledge. Without the decisions of the US authorities, it would hardly have been possible with help. These are exactly the same "shortcomings" in history. But what about the struggle for historical truth?
            1. panther
              panther 16 November 2017 20: 05 New
              +3
              Not on purpose, I just don't know much. Sometimes I read one blogger. He is interested in everything connected with the famine in Soviet Russia. It writes interestingly.
              1. Orel
                Orel 17 November 2017 11: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Panther
                Not on purpose, I just don't know much. Sometimes I read one blogger. He is interested in everything connected with the famine in Soviet Russia. It writes interestingly.


                Then forgive my forgiveness if my words might have seemed somehow arrogant. Sinful of this. I repent. Not enough patience. There was so much hatred around. They say, write, read - all about the enemies of Russia. Tired of the fact that the minds of people are so militarized. The West will never be the first to fight with us, at least as long as it is a democracy. But the threats from China, I would be more afraid, not because they want to fight, but because the country is authoritarian and there is much more chance that someone will demolish the tower there because of Mao’s ideas.
                1. panther
                  panther 17 November 2017 17: 20 New
                  0
                  Yes, everything is fine. As long as we have a nuclear bomb, not a single army will climb here.
          2. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Panther
            He was interested in oil contracts in Baku. Saved several thousand lives, capitalist


            At the peak of the ARA, it fed 10 million and 120 thousand citizens of the USSR worked for them - received a salary, provided for their families. Historical truth Don't you like?
            1. panther
              panther 16 November 2017 20: 10 New
              +4
              I am for the truth, thank them very much. Hoover I mentioned as a joke. Nevertheless, the historical truth is that he was interested in a contract for the construction of an oil pipeline. Business is business.
          3. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 13: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Panther
            Well, not everyone has forgotten. As far as I know, in the League of Nations they refused to help starving Russia, because the Bolsheviks are worse than hunger, let everyone die. Private organizations such as the ARA, the Nansen Foundation, the Communists helped, even the Pope participated. Future FBI chief Hoover, working for an oil company, sent help. He was interested in oil contracts in Baku. Saved several thousand lives, capitalist smile

            Get out of here! In fact, the West could not have helped starving Russia. If there weren’t hunger. But it was the West that gave us hunger then.
            The fact is that we then began industrialization, which was vital for us. We will succeed in building a powerful industry - we will survive in the upcoming war, which was inevitable. Do not have time - crush and devour. We needed air, machine tools, machinery and equipment. Where to get it all? Naturally in the developed countries of the West. We were ready to pay in gold. But they set a condition for us - only with grain and meat.
            But there will be hunger! - said the evil Bolsheviks.
            So this is what we need! - said the good Western capitalists. - Will you buy machines?
            And then they (Western capitalists) helped unhappy starving people. Kindness is western. It’s a pity that you can’t swear on this site .., am
            1. panther
              panther 17 November 2017 17: 18 New
              +1
              This refers to the famine of 1921-23. This was another famine due to crop failure. There was no talk of industrialization either.
        3. Sergey-8848
          Sergey-8848 16 November 2017 18: 57 New
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          ARA is a private charity. Yes, they are Americans, but not the US state that did not recognize the USSR for a long time. In the article, we are talking about documents that clearly state that our country, destroyed by the war, helped destroyed Poland.
          We all remember, and we remember - who did it, why and why (this is about concessions).
          1. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Sergey-8848
            We all remember, and we remember - who did it, why and why (this is about concessions).


            You do not remember or do not know what is worse. Without the US Congress and its decisions and the allocation of money - such a scale of help to the starving would not exist. Learn the story from documents, not TV. hi
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Orel
              Without the US Congress and its decisions and the allocation of money - such a scale of help to the starving would not exist.

              Here we must figure out who allocated the money for the revolution in Russia — these are the same people who then “saved” Russia.
              1. Orel
                Orel 17 November 2017 08: 26 New
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                Here we must figure out who allocated the money for the revolution in Russia — these are the same people who then “saved” Russia.


                The United States allocated money for the revolution in Russia ??? Where did you get this ??? TV said ???
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 17 November 2017 23: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Orel
                  TV said ???

                  Be quiet already - you will marry a smart one.
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 18 November 2017 15: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Be quiet already - you will marry a smart one.


                    You are funny, especially when you realize that you have nothing to say.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 18 November 2017 15: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: Orel
                      You are funny, especially when you realize that you have nothing to say.

                      And what can be said about such an uninformative attack?
                      Quote: Orel
                      Where did you get this ??? TV said ???

                      I have nothing to say because you didn’t answer anything, “Baba Yaga against” is not an answer
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 17 November 2017 22: 37 New
                0
                evidence will be? the provisional government already wrote down Lenin as a German spy on 20 volumes of the criminal case. but you didn’t find anything .. but you found how I look ..
            2. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Orel
              Quote: Sergey-8848
              We all remember, and we remember - who did it, why and why (this is about concessions).


              You do not remember or do not know what is worse. Without the US Congress and its decisions and the allocation of money - such a scale of help to the starving would not exist. Learn the story from documents, not TV. hi

              Without the US Congress and its decisions, there would be no famine in Russia. That you should learn history.
              Your beloved America first organized a mass famine, and then helped unhappy starving people.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 17 November 2017 17: 35 New
                0
                Without the US Congress and its decisions, there would be no famine in Russia. That you should learn history.

                But raving is just not necessary. Famine in Russia was regular (at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century almost every second year) and the backward Russian economy, with problems unresolved for centuries, was primarily to blame for this.
        4. STRAPER-M
          STRAPER-M 16 November 2017 19: 09 New
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          Quote: Orel
          Of course they won’t believe it. Exactly the same as today they do not believe how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s. They brought food, they handed out here. There was such an organization of American assistance (ARA

          And then they robbed, buying up values ​​on the cheap ... Soviet Russia was imposed cleanly with sanctions .. They all bought, through third parties and for gold, as well as in the Great Patriotic War on "leasing" hehe .. I don’t need it all drive into the head and others too ..
          The United States is a country based on the destruction of other nations and slavery .. and the mentality remains the same ..
          1. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: STRAPER-M
            And then they robbed, buying up values ​​on the cheap ..


            Only in a wise mind can the words "buy" and "rake" stand nearby. Buying robbed. It is a masterpiece. The product costs as much as the buyer is willing to pay and how much the seller is ready to give in. This is normal. It has always been so.

            And further. And what could beggar peasants and children sell to ARA employees ???????????????????
            1. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 14: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Orel
              Quote: STRAPER-M
              And then they robbed, buying up values ​​on the cheap ..


              Only in a wise mind can the words "buy" and "rake" stand nearby. Buying robbed. It is a masterpiece. The product costs as much as the buyer is willing to pay and how much the seller is ready to give in. This is normal. It has always been so.
              And further. And what could beggar peasants and children sell to ARA employees ???????????????????

              When in Leningrad, starving, some muggy, cheeky supply for a loaf of bread bought goners have a Repin script, is that okay ?! Only a completely bad person (it’s a pity that on this site I can’t say our way, in Russian) can say this.
              Judging by your love for everything American, this is really normal for you. But this is normal only for the people of the West and their lackeys. For us (Russian people), such behavior is considered low, cynical and immoral.
          2. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: STRAPER-M
            The United States is a country based on the destruction of other nations and slavery .. and the mentality remains the same ..


            Is this a serious statement or a slogan from a party meeting ???
        5. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 16 November 2017 19: 42 New
          +1
          Helping and selling are two different things.
          1. Orel
            Orel 16 November 2017 19: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: Herman 4223
            Helping and selling are two different things.


            Hungry peasants and children could not buy or sell anything. If they had something to sell, then they would not starve. Well, is it really so hard to put in your head?
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 17 November 2017 07: 22 New
              +1
              Debt obligations were issued to countries that this organization "helped"; it is a banal sale. I don’t argue there were many good people who simply donated money to this organization, and thank them very much, but the organization did nothing for free.
              1. Orel
                Orel 17 November 2017 08: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Herman 4223
                Debt obligations were issued to countries to which this organization "helped", this is a banal sale.


                Nothing like this. Learn the story through DOCUMENTS, not TV and the Internet. The US Congress, in the first place, allowed US organizations to provide assistance and activities in a country that does not exist. Legally, the USSR was not recognized. This serious obstacle was for help - it was eliminated. Secondly, the help was 70 percent in charity, and for the money, additional help went, which the USSR insisted on. It was simply impossible to find this additional help without costs. The organization worked to the limit. Plus, most of the debt was never repaid, and then it was essentially forgiven.
                1. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 14: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Orel
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  Debt obligations were issued to countries to which this organization "helped", this is a banal sale.

                  The organization worked to the limit. Plus, most of the debt was never repaid, and then it was essentially forgiven.

                  Debt is forgiven by the USA? !! Throughout its short history, the United States has never forgiven anyone. Please provide at least one document on the forgiveness of one dollar by Congress. Link please.
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 17 November 2017 17: 52 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                    Debt is forgiven by the USA? !! Throughout its short history, the United States has never forgiven anyone. Please provide at least one document on the forgiveness of one dollar by Congress. Link please.


                    Well, okay. Not forgiven. They forgive and write off no less than ours. How many were written off to Iraq, Middle Eastern countries. The US even forgave part of its foreign debt to Russia. A complete Internet links. If you do not find, then write. I'll throw you off, but first try it yourself. I assure you that finding is not difficult.
        6. K-50
          K-50 16 November 2017 20: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: Orel
          and then we also carried out industrialization.

          In fact, everything you wrote about was held for gold.
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 29 New
            0
            Quote: K-50
            In fact, everything you wrote about was held for gold.


            If you do not understand what was happening then, I’ll just give you an example. Knowing that your neighbor does not recognize you as a person, you think that you live incorrectly and your laws in the family are wrong, and you and your family must be "freed" from "capitalist oppression" by force, including by means, will you help him ?? ???? Even for the money ?????? It is doubtful. The USA helped the USSR. It is a fact. And why should plants be built for free ??? Are you ready for anyone to build a factory for free ??? Or can work for someone for "thank you" 5 years so ??? Then why do you demand this from the USA.
          2. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 14: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: K-50
            Quote: Orel
            and then we also carried out industrialization.

            In fact, everything you wrote about was held for gold.

            Inaccuracy ... If industrialization was carried out for gold, then we would not have any hunger b. The Western countries, wanting to strangle the Bolsheviks, made an implacable decision to sell machine tools, machines and equipment for Russia only for food, mainly grain and meat. This is where the hunger comes from.
            And we had nowhere to go. We will succeed in creating a powerful industry - we will survive in a future inevitable war. We had time.
        7. dvina71
          dvina71 16 November 2017 20: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: Orel
          how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s.

          What millions .. Stop bothering .. How many steamers with food came to the Soviet Socialist Republic in the 20s.?
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 38 New
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            What millions .. Stop bothering .. How many steamers with food came to the Soviet Socialist Republic in the 20s.?


            At its peak, the ARA supplied 10 million people. More than 7000 dining rooms, shelters for children, general vaccination against diseases. 120 USSR citizens worked for the organization, who could provide for themselves and their families, received salaries.

            Trotsky then proclaimed: "Americanization and industrialization of the whole country." Learn the background. Now a lot of data is open. You just don’t know.
          2. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 17 November 2017 14: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: Orel
            how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s.

            What millions .. Stop bothering .. How many steamers with food came to the Soviet Socialist Republic in the 20s.?

            It would be better if this lover of the whole western responded how many steamers with food left the USSR in exchange for machine tools and equipment.
        8. Victor Dubovitsky
          Victor Dubovitsky 16 November 2017 21: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Orel
          Quote: Political Department-M
          They won’t believe it anyway ...! Let everything be as it is and a good lesson to us for the future ..


          Of course they won’t believe it. Exactly the same as today they do not believe how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s. They brought food, they handed out here. There was such an organization of American assistance (ARA). The whole system was, and then we also carried out industrialization. The Stalingrad Tractor Plant in the United States was entirely produced and transported to the USSR, mounted by the Americans, though it is no longer free, but this is a plant all the same. All of their specialists were either kicked out of the country or shot. I had to learn from the "ideological" capitalists.

          For some reason we remember how we helped someone, but those who helped us are quickly forgotten because of political differences. Therefore, the Poles in this respect are no worse and no better than us. We ourselves would have to learn the history of sincerely perceive how it was, and not in any way and profitable, for a start, and then to teach others hi

          Our payment for factories, food, Lend-Lease (hereinafter) is 28 million lives that have become a wall and did not let the plague go to blessed places. Do they remember that? Then why should we remember the iron that was paid, spent, and thrown away over time?
          The US proletariat must be grateful to the 1917 revolution in Russia. For Roosevelt set the minimum wage at $ 5 per hour, free trade unions precisely because he did not want to repeat it on the territory of his island.
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
            Our payment for factories, food, Lend-Lease (hereinafter) is 28 million lives that have become a wall and did not let the plague go to blessed places. Do they remember that? Then why should we remember the iron that was paid, spent, and thrown away over time?
            The US proletariat must be grateful to the 1917 revolution in Russia. For Roosevelt set the minimum wage at $ 5 per hour, free trade unions precisely because he did not want to repeat it on the territory of his island.


            What does this have to do with the famine of the 20s? So it is possible to establish causal relationships from the creation of the world, but this will not help in any way to understand specific facts.
            1. Victor Dubovitsky
              Victor Dubovitsky 17 November 2017 11: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Orel
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              Our payment for factories, food, Lend-Lease (hereinafter) is 28 million lives that have become a wall and did not let the plague go to blessed places. Do they remember that? Then why should we remember the iron that was paid, spent, and thrown away over time?
              The US proletariat must be grateful to the 1917 revolution in Russia. For Roosevelt set the minimum wage at $ 5 per hour, free trade unions precisely because he did not want to repeat it on the territory of his island.


              What does this have to do with the famine of the 20s? So it is possible to establish causal relationships from the creation of the world, but this will not help in any way to understand specific facts.

              The expropriation of values ​​from churches and people, the sale for nothing and the robbery of food detachments of everything, not just the products and the sale of these priceless things for locomotives. Is it stimulation or taming of hunger, especially in 30 years? 20 years is a dark matter, the war has just ended. But the man-made disaster of 30 years is just a crime.
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 17 November 2017 22: 47 New
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                Seriously? and why then it was in 1925 that a gold embargo was introduced? It's about selling for a pittance ... take the trouble to study the issue before speaking ..
                1. Victor Dubovitsky
                  Victor Dubovitsky 18 November 2017 12: 39 New
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                  Quote: long in stock.
                  Seriously? and why then it was in 1925 that a gold embargo was introduced? It's about selling for a pittance ... take the trouble to study the issue before speaking ..

                  Private embargo? Doesn’t the monopoly right to trade precious metals and stones with the state now apply? All this was the preparation of the great robbery. And completed the creation of Torgsin.
                  http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/4229746/post3962
                  64045



                  A profound coincidence, isn't it? Superiority in agricultural engineering and universal hunger. It is at one time.
                  Interestingly, the neighbors - (Poland, Romania, Hungary, etc.) without this community, were dying out, or not?
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 18 November 2017 20: 14 New
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                    first you read what kind of embargo it is and you’re talking nonsense ... yes, it’s at that time. on the territory of which there was no civil war or intervention. and there were no sanctions against these countries. At the same time, look at how many and what the Allies put in the same Poland in 20 years ... God ... a man undertakes to argue without even knowing who and why did you introduce this ...
                    1. Victor Dubovitsky
                      Victor Dubovitsky 19 November 2017 00: 35 New
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                      Quote: long in stock.
                      first you read what kind of embargo it is and you’re talking nonsense ... yes, it’s at that time. on the territory of which there was no civil war or intervention. and there were no sanctions against these countries. At the same time, look at how many and what the Allies put in the same Poland in 20 years ... God ... a man undertakes to argue without even knowing who and why did you introduce this ...

                      The Stalingrad Tractor Plant was not built for us by the USA (state), but by private people who saw profits from work in the USSR. Marx did not whisper to you, saying that for a profit of 300% the capitalist will go for any crime? DO NOT accept gold calculations. USA. What about settlements with Germany, France, Sweden and other countries then free from US dictatorship? And trade in gold for currency with others, and in the future, trade with the same US for food and raw materials?
                      You need to be divine only when you will not have any doubts about your innocence.
                      Have you seen how easy customs barriers between countries are today? Naive, you think THEN this was not.
                      Hundreds of thousands of hunger victims, with a NATURAL reason to compare 5 millionth victims with a man-made cause in the USSR. Take a look - the areas with the maximum sacrifice from hunger exactly coincide with the areas of maximum resistance to the Bolsheviks in the Civil War. How can you explain this? Did nature agree with the Bolsheviks?
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 19 November 2017 15: 05 New
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                        will you explain to me the victim of liberalism? I live in the Volga region .. keep quiet about hunger and created it like you stupid trepunov. Now carefully you are illiterate, our gold embargo was imposed by the US government. It was immediately seized by England and France.
                        At first, the West refused to accept gold from the USSR as payment, then everything else, except grain. At the same time, in the West, organized by the "Crisis" (for internal use, including for the redistribution and seizure of property from some in favor of others), it knocks down the price of our Grain, but the price of its products almost doubles. So no need I’m chatting with my chat here. And in general, Mr. Liberator, when you talk with a man, you don’t have a hysteria. You are so entertained in your sexless society. If you want to say something, facts and figures. Hysteria and lies.
                  2. panther
                    panther 19 November 2017 13: 43 New
                    0
                    There was famine in Poland too. I read that the Polish government offered not to support the peasants - Ukrainians. So in Lviv they were starving.
        9. Baby sitter
          Baby sitter 16 November 2017 21: 51 New
          +2
          Yeah. The British & Co helped the Kola Peninsula develop. Japanese popes - Far East .... Central Asia - also Angles ???? Russia is grateful to everyone !!!
        10. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 16 November 2017 22: 08 New
          +2
          We remember something from the story, something our old men told. In Soviet times, in the school curriculum, there were references to US assistance to Soviet Russia ... But only those United States (republics) of America were dissolved in time, and the present only act as an enemy. And I didn’t hear about help from Poland.
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: sharp-lad
            We remember something from the story, something our old men told. In Soviet times, in the school curriculum, there were references to US assistance to Soviet Russia ... But only those United States (republics) of America were dissolved in time, and the present only act as an enemy. And I didn’t hear about help from Poland.


            It's hard to blame the USA. All the same, the policy of the USSR proclaimed ALL capitalist countries evil, wanted to arrange revolutions in them. Destroy their statehood. Why should the US have to love us ??? It was then that the USSR was attacking the West, and not vice versa. You think. The West did not proclaim and pursue the idea of ​​world revolution and the destruction of capitalism.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 17 November 2017 20: 15 New
              +1
              It was then that the USSR was attacking the West, and not vice versa. You think. The West did not proclaim and pursue the idea of ​​world revolution and the destruction of capitalism.
              Since attacking the West do not quite agree with you. Since the advent of the world's first state of workers and peasants, collective capitalism has made every effort to destroy it because it felt that having lost this battle it would be forced to make big concessions to its hard workers. There was a struggle, a struggle of systems of public administration and harmony. It is a pity that the socialist system fell in this struggle, but according to it
              For example, almost socialism was built in Germany and the countries of Scandinavia, after which almost all of Europe pulled itself up. I won’t talk about the USA, my information is too contradictory.
              1. Orel
                Orel 17 November 2017 20: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: sharp-lad
                Since attacking the West do not quite agree with you. Since the advent of the world's first state of workers and peasants, collective capitalism has made every effort to destroy it because it felt that having lost this battle it would be forced to make big concessions to its hard workers.


                Why didn’t they destroy it in the beginning of the 20s? They had enough strength, but they simply left Russia. I think that at that time no one knew what the USSR would be like, and when we went to Poland with weapons with the aim of then to Germany and further and further. Everyone was already worried. The idea of ​​a world revolution did not cause enthusiasm abroad. And then they were already defending. However, how many people have so many opinions. I do not pretend to be true, I just think so.

                Quote: sharp-lad
                There was a struggle, a struggle of systems of public administration and harmony. It is a pity that the socialist system fell in this struggle, but according to it
                For example, almost socialism was built in Germany and the countries of Scandinavia, after which almost all of Europe pulled itself up. I won’t talk about the USA, my information is too contradictory.


                I agree here. This is generally a paradox. The threat posed by the USSR to all capitalist countries in terms of the attractiveness of communist ideology made capitalism better. How many famous people in the West in their youth were communists. A lot. Only our people did not benefit from this of course. Sometimes it happens. We helped others to become better, and economically, as a result, they began to degrade and fall apart.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 17 November 2017 20: 54 New
                  +1
                  It was necessary to adopt part of the experience of China, their model of a large industrial state with small production capitalism could bring a lot of good to the peoples of the USSR.
                  P.S. But without fanaticism and cultural revolution! lol
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 17 November 2017 22: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: sharp-lad
                    It was necessary to adopt part of the experience of China, their model of a large industrial state with small production capitalism could bring a lot of good to the peoples of the USSR.


                    I also thought about it. And by the way, the USSR had a chance to realize this much earlier than China. During the NEP, in fact, the "Chinese version" began long before China))) But Stalin came and all this became history. Did not work out.
                    1. sharp-lad
                      sharp-lad 17 November 2017 22: 22 New
                      +1
                      It's a pity. The second attempt was made by Gorbachev. Also did not grow together.
                      1. Orel
                        Orel 17 November 2017 22: 27 New
                        +1
                        Quote: sharp-lad
                        It's a pity. The second attempt was made by Gorbachev. Also did not grow together.


                        It was already too late. The degradation process has become irreversible. But at the dawn of the USSR, after all the squabbles and overt disasters of the civil war, people were very enthusiastic about building a new country, which was no longer in the late 80s. You could still try after the Second World War, then there was also an impulse. But there was no desire in power.
                2. panther
                  panther 18 November 2017 13: 11 New
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                  Quote: Orel
                  Why didn’t they destroy it in the early 20s?

                  I dare to suggest that because of the increased opposition of the masses, which became uncontrollable. And such a turn would not be understood and not approved.
                  Read about the pan-European movement "Hands Off Soviet Russia" in 1919-1920.
                  For example here
                  https://d-clarence.livejournal.com/191564.html
                  https://d-clarence.livejournal.com/198594.html
                  https://d-clarence.livejournal.com/197282.html
        11. Setrac
          Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Orel
          The whole system was, and then we also carried out industrialization.

          Who pays a girl - that girl and dances! The USSR carried out industrialization on its own, at a loud coin, the Americans are nothing more than hired workers, for example, the USA did the industrialization of the Third Reich for free - on credit that they did not intend to take, everything for the war with the USSR.
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 44 New
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            Quote: Setrac
            The Third Reich, the United States spent for free - on credit that were not going to take


            It's a lie.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 17 November 2017 23: 26 New
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              Quote: Orel
              It's a lie.

              What the fuck is a lie? US Third Reich factories built? Built !!! On credit? On credit!!! Didn't the Third Reich pay them? Not paid !!!
              Where did I lie?
              1. Orel
                Orel 18 November 2017 15: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                What the fuck is a lie? US Third Reich factories built? Built !!! On credit? On credit!!! Didn't the Third Reich pay them? Not paid !!!
                Where did I lie?


                Everywhere. The US government did not build anything. Private deals could be. So we built it like that. For example, the Stalingrad Tractor Plant in the United States was built. Normal transaction, goods are money. Or do you think the United States could see the future of Hitler and Germany ??? Then you need to go to another office. With a red cross, and not to turn to history.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 18 November 2017 15: 44 New
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                  Quote: Orel
                  The US government did not build anything. Private deals could be.

                  Honestly, I should give a damn about what kind of fig leaf they covered up for their crimes. Who cares about excuses for criminals?
                  Quote: Orel
                  So we built it

                  So - but not so, the USSR paid with hard currency. The USSR was building, and the Americans were simply attracted specialists. In the Third Reich they built absolutely free of charge, no goods-money-goods, but on credit, which they eventually forgave.
                  Quote: Orel
                  Or do you think the United States could see the future of Hitler and Germany ???

                  Why should they see the future? The Second World War took place only because a country such as the United States did not have time to participate in the redistribution of the World according to the results of the First World War, this is completely the brainchild of Americans. They brought Hitler to power, they armed him, as did the Japanese.
                  Quote: Orel
                  Then you need to go to another office. With a red cross, and not refer to history.

                  But do not you go to the farm butterflies to catch?
        12. CALL.
          CALL. 17 November 2017 00: 39 New
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          Quote: Orel
          Exactly the same as today they do not believe how Americans saved millions from starvation in the USSR in the 20s. They brought food, they handed out here. There was such an organization of American assistance (ARA).

          And we will not forget how these "benefactors" organized a humanitarian catastrophe for us - the Civil War. On December 23, 1917, the Entente countries adopted a declaration of invasion of Russia and divided the spheres of influence. Notably then they robbed, why not help with these riches?
        13. ochakow703
          ochakow703 17 November 2017 05: 16 New
          +1
          This cannot be denied. Only now there is one American nuance that negates all the disinterestedness of help. They do nothing for nothing, remember the "disinterested" aid to Western Europe after the end of the war. Not only did they first bomb it in the Stone Age, so they also restored it to "their" money, with their companies. As a result, Europe got hooked on the debt hook that it still hangs on, without even a sovereign voice and opinion. And there are so many American military bases all over Europe that you can easily argue about the existence of sovereign European states. Examples: Germany, Poland ... there is nothing to talk about small demo-countries. So, "saving" the young republic, the Americans certainly did not think about people, but dreamed of always staying in the country and robbing it to its full height. Thanks to the Soviet authorities for having spotted this monster in time and kicked it out with the buns.
          1. Orel
            Orel 17 November 2017 08: 52 New
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            Quote: ochakow703
            As a result, Europe got hooked on the debt hook that it still hangs on, without even a sovereign voice and opinion.


            Moreover, she is rich and lives better than us, technologically developed, unlike many, does not participate in many NATO operations and US operations (she does not have her own voice). You do not feel that your logic contradicts the facts ???
      2. 210ox
        210ox 16 November 2017 18: 50 New
        +6
        Unfortunately, we constantly step on the rake of the pan-Slavs ... Well, we must admit that we need to think about YOUR PEOPLE in the first place .. And not about the so-called "brothers" in blood, language and history. Let them prove themselves first and foremost. And we we will see ..
        Quote: Political Department-M
        They won’t believe it anyway ...! Let everything be as it is and a good lesson to us for the future ..
        "Do not do good, you will not get evil .." (although to me, as a matter of fact, sincere Russian, this saying warps ..)
        But the facts are on the face ...
        1. STRAPER-M
          STRAPER-M 16 November 2017 19: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          Unfortunately, we constantly step on the rake of the pan-Slavs ... Well, we must admit that we need to think about YOUR PEOPLE in the first place .. And not about the so-called "brothers" in blood, language and history. Let them prove themselves first and foremost. And we we will see ..

          Alas, we love to step on the old rake and then prove to everyone (even with the help of weapons) that we were right, so we have the Russian mentality ..
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 16 November 2017 21: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: STRAPER-M
            Alas, we love to step on the old rake and then prove to everyone (even with the help of weapons) that we were right, so we have the Russian mentality ..

            PAN Slave Pan-Slavism here .. They did the same in Germany and other countries. Who needs a hungry population in the rear? This is the path to at least theft and robbery of warehouses, and the maximum armed confrontation ..
        2. DenZ
          DenZ 16 November 2017 20: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          Unfortunately, we constantly step on the rake of the pan-Slavs ... Well, we must admit that we need to think about YOUR PEOPLE in the first place .. And not about the so-called "brothers" in blood, language and history. Let them prove themselves first and foremost. And we we will see ..

          What would you propose to do with Poland in 1945? Watch how people just released by the Soviet army are dying of hunger by the hundreds? Would the winners be pleased to watch this? Or give the opportunity for the United States and England to help the Poles in the year 45, spitting on Soviet geopolitical interests (though the term "geopolitics" later appeared). Helped yes and be it again the same situation will help again. And what to do now with those who are at war with the monuments? I have no answer. Sooner or later, history will surely show what kind of pigs they were (the time of calculation will come, it will certainly come, the earth is round).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: DenZ
            Watch how people just released by the Soviet army are dying of hunger by the hundreds?

            The Americans starved a million German soldiers for their pro-Soviet views - and do not worry.
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 17 November 2017 08: 46 New
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              Quote: Setrac
              Americans starve a million German soldiers for their pro-Soviet views - and do not worry

              When, what kind of soldiers where were they killed? The first time I hear about this.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 17 November 2017 23: 28 New
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                Quote: DenZ
                When, what kind of soldiers where were they killed?

                Immediately after the Second World War, captured Wehrmacht soldiers sympathizing with the USSR.
                Quote: DenZ
                The first time I hear about this.

                All once heard for the first time.
                1. DenZ
                  DenZ 20 November 2017 09: 20 New
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                  Quote: Setrac
                  Immediately after the Second World War, captured Wehrmacht soldiers sympathizing with the USSR.

                  Give links to articles and other sources. Your words, as it were, are not a priori authority
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 20 November 2017 18: 31 New
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                    Quote: DenZ
                    Your words, as it were, are not a priori authority

                    Your objection is generally a complete zero.
                    1. DenZ
                      DenZ 21 November 2017 12: 40 New
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                      When you can’t prove anything, then you become zero.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 21 November 2017 14: 55 New
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                        Quote: DenZ
                        When you can’t prove anything, then you become zero.

                        I said the first, I am the first !!!
                        Not counted
                        not counted

                        If you can’t talk about an adult, I’ll be unreasonable with you as a baby.
    3. rruvim
      rruvim 16 November 2017 18: 30 New
      +5
      Yeah. Already proved, it has been proved that the Chekists in Katyn have nothing to do with it. Oh, there’s a monument to a crashed airplane.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 16 November 2017 19: 01 New
        +7
        I’ll tell you a fact. The place of execution is near the Dnieper River. But that's okay. There is the sanatorium of the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Borok" opposite. This is an old sanatorium, it was before the war. And next to the reserve command post. It belonged to the "Stalin Line." ? Where the military secret facility is resting and nearby? Yes, bullshit!
        Quote: rruvim
        Yeah. Already proved, it has been proved that the Chekists in Katyn have nothing to do with it. Oh, there’s a monument to a crashed airplane.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 16 November 2017 20: 20 New
          +2
          More "shot" Poles rested near Kozelsk. The locals, of course, told me about their "casually morals" to me. Geese were stolen, like Ponyakovsky, went to dances, women were "felt". They had a camp near Optina, "supposedly" for prisoners of war Poles, only no one really guarded them. Chastali around the district until the Germans came ...
    4. fa2998
      fa2998 16 November 2017 18: 37 New
      +9
      And was it worth secreting everything in the world? This Soviet! This information should have been PROMOTED, from the age of 45. So that the Poles kissed the spacecraft! So everyone knows the Marshall’s plan, and our help of over 70 years is secret. Then the authorities are offended by the false historians. And how many such “secrets” do we have in the archives? request hi
    5. Vend
      Vend 16 November 2017 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      All this is wonderful, but the point? To awaken a feeling of gratitude to the present-day Poles for the Soviet soldiers-liberators? This is no use.
      .

      May they not believe and deny everything.
      1. ochakow703
        ochakow703 17 November 2017 05: 24 New
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        I think the words "believe, do not believe" are completely not logical in this, and in many other East European cases. They were given the installation - to hate Russians and everything Russian, and they do it like zombies, and if they suddenly refuse, then they will stop receiving “disinterested help” from behind a puddle.
    6. Orionvit
      Orionvit 16 November 2017 18: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      This is no use.

      Well, at this time, it goes without saying. As the saying goes, "Late to drink" Borjomi, "when the kidneys refused." I am interested in another question. Why did the documents lie so long in the archives, and only selected experts had access to them? What would not injure the "subtle" psyche and the national "dignity" of the "brothers" of the Poles? What is so secret in these documents? And now, of course, it’s too late already, every Pole already knows that Poland won the Second World War, and the Russians came “ready” and occupied an unfortunate country. And try to prove the opposite.
    7. Yarik
      Yarik 16 November 2017 18: 57 New
      +4
      It would be better if the false memorial to the “victims of the Soviet regime” in Katyn was closed in response to the demolition by the Poles of the monuments to our soldiers who died for the liberation of Poland.

      In the founding fathers of this saint a man, even a certain Center is dedicated to him. And from the filing of this saint, the present ones too.
    8. siberalt
      siberalt 16 November 2017 19: 31 New
      +1
      And how much did the Yeltsin Center cost us in 50 years?
    9. Sergey53
      Sergey53 16 November 2017 19: 42 New
      0
      In practice, help almost always goes sideways to those who help. As the recipient wakes up a feeling of envy, greed, anger. And in gratitude they begin to spoil and blackmail the giver. A bunch of examples.
    10. verner1967
      verner1967 16 November 2017 19: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      but the point? Awaken the feeling of gratitude among the current Poles

      No, bring to the descendants this fact that they would not repeat such mistakes
    11. Vikmay16
      Vikmay16 16 November 2017 22: 20 New
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      Quote: Ami du peuple

      It would be better if the false memorial to the “victims of the Soviet regime” in Katyn was closed in response to the demolition by the Poles of the monuments to our soldiers who died for the liberation of Poland.

      Then they would have thought what they were doing! And Western propaganda cannot be stopped.
    12. kapitan92
      kapitan92 16 November 2017 23: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      All this is wonderful, but the point?

      The Ministry of Defense declassified documents about assistance to Poland from the USSR

      Really, where is the point !? Where was the point of classifying this data! wassat
    13. roman.roman24773
      roman.roman24773 17 November 2017 04: 09 New
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      And what, in Katyn, not "ours" (NKVD) shot the Poles? You are either illiterate or persecuted by propaganda from a zomboyaschik, in connection with which you are in an alternative reality. Face it (and you won’t like it, but what to do). Ours committed a war crime (a crime against humanity, to be precise), and the creators of the order / idea developers and "implementers" / had to hang out in Nuremberg on the same ropes as those sentenced to death. These ghouls of execution (honorable for a military form of execution) did not deserve. Hello to Stalin (nah)
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    14. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 17 November 2017 07: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      All this is wonderful, but the point?

      you are not right. the meaning is big, because speculating on the subject of "Poland, eaten by the USSR" will become more difficult, including whining about some compensation there. they won’t stop whining, but the volume will become lower - it’s already good.
    15. weksha50
      weksha50 17 November 2017 15: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      It would be better if the false memorial to the “victims of the Soviet regime” in Katyn was closed in response to the demolition by the Poles of the monuments to our soldiers who died for the liberation of Poland.


      I fully support ... hi

      But the government is weak on this issue to hold a referendum among the population of Russia ...
      At the same time, among the population of Poland: "Do you support the demolition of the monument to the victims of Katyn at the same time as the demolition of the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators?" ...
      The reaction of the main, simple mass of Poles would be interesting ...
    16. alexmach
      alexmach 17 November 2017 17: 27 New
      0
      The point is information warfare. Both in their own information space and in them. The truth in this war is a powerful weapon.
    17. panther
      panther 17 November 2017 17: 41 New
      0
      These people need monuments.

      "How the Poles know how to fight.
      In November 1918, ataman Krasnov's cavalry, making a roundabout maneuver, suddenly struck the positions of the Reds, who were holding the front in the Bobrovsky district of the Voronezh province.
      In the direction of the main attack lay the village of Verkhniy Ikorets, which occupied the Lublin battalion of the 1st Moscow regiment. The battalion was the remains of the Lublin Regiment, formed in Voronezh in April 1918 from Poles of the 3rd Guards Infantry Division of the Warsaw Guard. Commander Makarov commanded the battalion.
      When the enemy appeared, the red units on the flanks of the battalion fled and were almost completely destroyed as a result of the pursuit.
      The Poles decided to fight and took an oath to die, but not to be given alive to the enemy. They fought surrounded to the last extreme, after which they went on a breakthrough with hostility. ... "
      https://d-clarence.livejournal.com/197621.html
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 November 2017 18: 15 New
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    The Ministry of Defense, in the framework of the multimedia project “Memory against Oblivion”, published unique historical documents from the funds of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, telling about the Soviet Union providing material assistance to Poland in 1944-1945:

    The Poles forgot it all ... They don’t remember the First World War ... for example, the defense of the Osovets fortress.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 16 November 2017 18: 35 New
      13
      Defense of the fortress Osovec! Yeah, only yesterday my nephew was told a story about the “attack of the dead”, his eyes were just like that, he became very interested and went to read.
      Hmm, it’s important not to forget and retell such feats.
      Because I’m even afraid to imagine it, but I can imagine it too! Choking on chlorine, with already seen lungs, get out of the trench and go bayonet to the enemy !!! Of course the Germans were ofigel then! This is strong !!!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 November 2017 18: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: DEZINTO
        Hmm, it’s important not to forget and retell such feats.

        THE LAST DEFENDER OF THE FORTRESS OF THE FORCE
        By August 1915, due to changes on the Western Front, the strategic need for the defense of the fortress lost all meaning. In connection with this, the supreme command of the Russian army, it was decided to stop the defensive battles and evacuate the garrison of the fortress. But there were numerous army depots in it and in the forts surrounding it, and everything had to be done so that the supplies stored there would not fall into the hands of the enemy.

        On August 18, 1915, the evacuation of the garrison began, which took place without panic, in accordance with the plans. The evacuation of the fortress is also an example of heroism. Because it was necessary to take everything out of the fortress at night, during the day the highway was impassable: German airplanes were constantly bombarding it. There were not enough horses, and the guns had to be pulled by hand, and each gun was pulled on straps 30-50 people. All that could not be taken out, as well as the surviving fortifications that the enemy could use in their interests, were blown up by sappers. The withdrawal of troops from the fortress ended on August 22 and only a few days later the Germans decided to occupy the ruins.

        In 1918, the ruins of a heroic fortress became part of independent Poland. Starting in the 20s, the Polish leadership included Osowiec in its system of defense fortifications. The full-scale restoration and reconstruction of the fortress began. The restoration of the barracks was carried out, as well as the dismantling of the rubble that impeded the further progress of work.

        When analyzing the rubble near one of the forts, the soldiers stumbled upon a stone arch of an underground tunnel. Work began with excitement and a wide hole was already pretty quickly pierced. Encouraged by his comrades, a non-commissioned officer descended into the yawning darkness. A torching torch tore the damp old masonry and pieces of plaster underfoot from pitch darkness.

        And then something incredible happened.

        Before the non-commissioned officer managed to take a few steps, from somewhere in the dark depths of the tunnel, a firm and formidable shout boomed echoing:
        -Stop! Who goes?

        Unther was dumbfounded. “The uterus of Bosque,” ​​the soldier crossed himself and rushed upstairs.

        And as expected, at the top, he received the due thrashing from the officer for cowardice and stupid inventions. Having ordered the non-commissioned officer to follow him, the officer himself went down into the dungeon. And again, as soon as the Poles moved along the dank and dark tunnel, from somewhere in front, from an impenetrable black haze, a cry sounded menacingly and demandingly:
        -Stop! Who goes?
        After that, in the ensuing silence, the bolt of the rifle clearly clanged. Instinctively, the soldier hid behind the officer’s back. Thinking and reasoning reasonably that unclean forces would hardly have armed themselves with a rifle, an officer who spoke Russian well, called out to the invisible soldier and explained who he was and why he had come. In the end, he asked who his mysterious interlocutor was and what he was doing underground.

        The Pole expected everything, but not such an answer:
        “I, the guard, have been set here to guard the warehouse.”

        The officer’s mind refused to accept such a simple answer. But, still taking himself in hand, he continued negotiations.
        “May I come,” the Pole asked excitedly.
        - Not! came out severely from the darkness. “I cannot allow anyone into the dungeon until they replace me at the post.”

        Then the stunned officer asked if the sentry knew how long he had been here underground.
        “Yes, I know,” came the reply. “I took office nine years ago, in August, one thousand nine hundred and fifteen.” It seemed like a dream, an absurd fantasy, but there, in the darkness of the tunnel, there was a living man, a Russian soldier, who stood in the guard for nine years without interruption. And most incredible of all, he did not rush to people, possibly enemies, but nevertheless, people of society with whom he was deprived for nine whole years, with a desperate plea to release him from a terrible imprisonment. No, he remained faithful to the oath and military duty and was ready to defend the post entrusted to him until the end. Carrying out his service in strict accordance with the military regulations, the sentry stated that he could only be removed from his post by a breeder, and if he was not, then “sovereign emperor”.
        Long negotiations began. They explained to the sentry what had happened on earth during these nine years, and told that the tsarist army in which he served no longer existed. Not even the king himself, not to mention the breeder. And the territory that he protects now belongs to Poland. After a long silence, the soldier asked who was the main in Poland, and, learning that the president, demanded his order. Only when they read the telegram from Pilsudski did the sentry agree to leave his post.

        Polish soldiers helped him get upstairs to the summer, sunlit land. But, before they had time to examine this man, the sentry cried out loudly, covering his face with his hands. Only then did the Poles remember that he had spent nine years in total darkness and that he had to blindfold him before taking him out. Now it was too late - the soldier weaned from the sunlight was blind.

        He was somehow reassured, promising to show good doctors. Closely encircling it, the Polish soldiers stared with reverent surprise at this unusual sentry.

        Thick dark hair fell in long, dirty braids on his shoulders and on his back, descending below the waist. A wide black beard fell down to the knees, and blind eyes only stood out on the overgrown face. But this underground Robinson was wearing a solid overcoat with epaulettes, and he had almost new boots on his feet. One of the soldiers drew attention to the sentry rifle, and the officer took it from the hands of the Russian, although he with obvious reluctance parted with the weapon. Exchanging surprised exclamations and shaking their heads, the Poles examined this rifle.

        It was an ordinary Russian trilinear of the 1891 model. Only her appearance was surprising. It seemed as if she had only been taken from the pyramid in the exemplary soldier’s barracks just a few minutes ago: she had been thoroughly cleaned, and the bolt and barrel carefully lubricated with oil. The clips with cartridges in the pouch on the sentry belt turned out in the same order. The cartridges also glittered with grease, and by the number of them there was exactly as much as the guard commander gave them to the soldier nine years ago, upon taking office. The Polish officer was curious about how the soldiers greased their weapons.

        “I ate canned goods stored in a warehouse,” he answered, “and I oiled the rifle and cartridges.”
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 16 November 2017 23: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: DEZINTO
        Choking on chlorine, with already seen lungs, get out of the trench and go bayonet to the enemy !!

        I talked with a medical doctor on this subject .. He said that burns of the lungs with chlorine cause terrible pains .. a person from them can go crazy and die in agony .. And the men did the only thing not to go crazy .. they got up went to an attack to die quickly .. and I just can’t imagine what willpower is needed for this ..
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 November 2017 23: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: dvina71
          and I just can’t imagine what willpower is needed for this ..

          He showed this video to his 11-year-old son ... he looked in all eyes, then cried, and when the video was over, he told me, DAD, I AM Proud that I am RUSSIAN.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 16 November 2017 23: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      The Poles forgot it all ... They don’t remember the First World War ... for example, the defense of the Osovec fortress

      Greetings Andrew! The "enemies" were banned, but we are unsinkable, these are those who are for Mother Motherland!
      If I am not mistaken, the Osovets fortress was the territory of the Russian Empire, and therefore they do not remember.
      And what can this "geographical news" remember?
      hi drinks
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 November 2017 23: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: kapitan92
        If I am not mistaken, the Osovets fortress was the territory of the Russian Empire, and therefore they do not remember.

        The history of 300 Spartans was spread by Hollywood all over the world ... an example of heroism and perseverance was indicated. A VICTORY AND RESISTANCE OF 70 SOLDIERS DIING IN THE TORTURES, WINNING OVER 7 THOUSAND WELL TRAINED AND ARMED Fighters - THAT IS THEN THEN?
        There is no equivalent example in the world history of "Attack of the Dead"!
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 November 2017 00: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          There is no equivalent example in the world history of "Attack of the Dead"!

          It had to be that way .... twenty years ago, the Communists to remind! Yes, and now does not interfere!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 17 November 2017 00: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: kapitan92
            It had to be that way .... twenty years ago, the Communists to remind!

            Under the communists there was an analogue of the Osovtsu-Brest Fortress.
  3. Pirogov
    Pirogov 16 November 2017 18: 16 New
    +6
    So, to demand Poland to return all the money and central Prussia, it’s enough to wait for prudence from these bastards, as Lavrov says.
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 16 November 2017 18: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Pirogov
      So to demand Poland to return all the money and central Prussia

      Exactly - in the framework of decommunization
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 November 2017 18: 20 New
    +3
    According to archival documents, assistance to the Soviet Union in liberated Poland came from the material reserves of the Red Army and from the reserves of the USSR people's commissariats.
    Yeah, the proletariat of all countries unite. They fed anyone they wanted. They themselves .. I don’t even want to talk. And the German Poles were presented with the land. They were already proletarians then. And now?
    1. Going
      Going 16 November 2017 18: 25 New
      13
      The feed turned out to be not in the horse, and then we ourselves all handed over to the United States, I mean not us and you, but you understand who.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 16 November 2017 19: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      They were proletarians already then. And now?

      Haha Polish proletarians, that sounds "proudly." They were always traders, traders and remained. So to speak, the mentality of the nation.
  5. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 16 November 2017 18: 23 New
    +1
    It is also necessary for Psheks to show it on TV so that they know and remember who is really a friend. Although for most good Poles, it’s not necessary to prove it anyway. They already know. This ameropolitiki fool drove
  6. rruvim
    rruvim 16 November 2017 18: 23 New
    +2
    Darn! We fed these Poles ... And they? As my friend said: “The Jews, Masons, students, intellectuals and ... are to blame for everything.” Pause. "..and the Poles!"
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 16 November 2017 19: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: rruvim
      We fed these Poles ... And they?

      And they took it for granted. "We suffered from the Germans, now feed us." In the late 80s, the "wind" changed, the owner changed, the Pshek changed their shoes in the air and now "we have suffered from the Russians, feed us." Jackals, sorry, hyenas.
  7. pasechnik
    pasechnik 16 November 2017 18: 27 New
    0
    Kam still can not explain!
  8. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 16 November 2017 18: 28 New
    +7
    They will say, but whoever asked you would do everything themselves.
  9. bald
    bald 16 November 2017 18: 39 New
    +2
    Let it remain on their conscience (of that generation), and present youth cannot prove it.
  10. solzh
    solzh 16 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +1
    The published documents provide information on Soviet assistance to the population of Polish cities liberated by the Red Army with food, medicine, vehicles, fuel and raw materials for industrial enterprises

    We are kind people - Russians. Apparently, Poland decided to thank us with the demolition of monuments for such kindness.
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 16 November 2017 23: 18 New
      0
      Fools .....
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 November 2017 18: 41 New
    +1
    Usa lackeys will simply say that we are slandering the apple empire, that all this is a lie and Soviet tales, that Poland already fed half the planet with apples at least! !!
  12. Piramidon
    Piramidon 16 November 2017 18: 42 New
    +3
    And why is only 1945 taken? And how much did the USSR swell in pshek in the entire history of CMEA-ATS?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 16 November 2017 18: 52 New
      0
      This has not been declassified. But, I know firsthand what subsidized the Gdansk Shipyard during the time of Jaruzelski, buying vessels at exorbitant prices.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 November 2017 18: 57 New
    +5
    I do not understand the meaning of this article! Let's quietly pretend that we don’t notice decommunization in Russia. Not long ago, a monument to Lenin was demolished in Kaluga, a monument to Ivan3 was erected on the same pedestal. Hanging with rags Mausoleum! Talk about the removal of Lenin from the Mausoleum. Not made a remark on a memorable date. The release on the screens of many anti-Soviet films in November.
    When the anti-Soviet Kremlin comes out, is it outraged or encouraged?
    1. tv70
      tv70 17 November 2017 15: 23 New
      +1
      Gardamir, he conducts economic calculations on the amount of patience the people have for how long they have left.
  14. Simon
    Simon 16 November 2017 18: 58 New
    +1
    Show the Poles a certain amount
    Quote: Observer2014
    According to archival documents, assistance to the Soviet Union in liberated Poland came from the material reserves of the Red Army and from the reserves of the USSR people's commissariats.
    Yeah, the proletariat of all countries unite. They fed anyone they wanted. They themselves .. I don’t even want to talk. And the German Poles were presented with the land. They were already proletarians then. And now?

    Present an account to the Poles, let them return, now we really need money. Debt good turn deserves another! We all remember them!
  15. Bat
    Bat 16 November 2017 19: 46 New
    0
    And why did we help them then? It would be better if they spent it on themselves.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 16 November 2017 20: 25 New
      +1
      Slavic brotherhood, damn it. The Bulgarians were rescued from the Turks, and they have since been crap.
  16. K-50
    K-50 16 November 2017 20: 16 New
    0
    During the period from March to November 1945, food and fodder worth more than 1,5 billion rubles in 1945 prices were transferred by the Soviet Union to provide for the population and for the sowing campaign. In accordance with the employment contract, the Provisional Government of Poland delivered over 2 thousand tons of food, 3 thousand tons of cotton, 1945 thousand tons of large skins, more than 130 thousand trucks during the 20 and 100 quarters of the 2 year.

    It is also necessary to take into account the number of building materials delivered to the Psheks for the restoration of destroyed cities, bridges and other infrastructure and put forward material and financial requirements for them, taking into account the accrued interest.
    AND REQUIRE an unconditional and speedy payment !!!!
    Since they don’t have money to keep the monuments to our soldiers dead in order and inviolability, let them pay at least for the fact that the Nazis did not burn them in crematoria, which was prevented by the Red Army !!!! am
  17. Karaul73
    Karaul73 16 November 2017 22: 40 New
    0
    What kind of country was that? Everyone kept it secret. One should be proud of such actions of the authorities, and not under the cloth. And just now they declassified. Marasmus.
  18. Vixen
    Vixen 16 November 2017 23: 05 New
    0
    Yes to them .... to you! They have already been taught by our "Western partners" who are "guilty of everything"! And I agree with the first commentator ...
  19. proletarian
    proletarian 16 November 2017 23: 16 New
    0
    Right now, hysteria will start in Polish political circles: How dare they, you’re lying all the time, but there wasn’t such a thing.
    PS If we accept as a fact declassified documents, it turns out that all Poland’s claims against Germany are not just not justified, but in fact the Germans can quite easily bring a counterclaim against the Poles and will be right.
  20. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 16 November 2017 23: 17 New
    0
    It was necessary to declassify before, why now?
  21. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 16 November 2017 23: 24 New
    0
    By their snout in these documents! Publicly flog! For the memory of our ancestors, who themselves were malnourished, and fed this evil
    Although it is clear that this will not happen. Russia is a generous country
    1. Pyromaniac
      Pyromaniac 19 November 2017 21: 24 New
      0
      What are you talking about? They helped, and in return you are in the face ... so be smarter the next time, pass by ... And you can only demand those who have been borrowed and not helped to demand a return of debts. That’s why it’s free aid, because no one owes anything to anyone ... Therefore, it’s secret that self-respecting people don’t boast of such things. Another thing is that on the behavior of such "friends", you need to draw conclusions for yourself ... and let them die of hunger the next time.
  22. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 November 2017 02: 42 New
    +2
    Polish citizens absorb bastardism with their mother’s milk .. According to Voltaire- "You can’t teach a stupid, you can’t convince a smart one" ..
  23. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 November 2017 04: 26 New
    0
    ... good things are forgotten quickly - this is to the Poles ... angry
  24. 1536
    1536 17 November 2017 22: 18 New
    0
    The British probably demanded compensation from the Poles for this help: you were helped, you got rich with our help, now please, return our costs to you, "respected" Poles, in money terms. (It should be recalled that this assistance went to the Poles when our country from Brest to the Volga was barbarously destroyed by the Germans, and Poland, as the governor general, was part of the German Third Reich.) Our people received products on cards until the 1948 of the year, if not mistaken, then in a later period.
    But we declare everyone “brothers”, and these “brothers” then put us shit on the doorstep. And this is at best. Repetition of this cannot be allowed.
  25. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 17 November 2017 23: 26 New
    0
    Orel,
    There was a desire, but after the end of the Stalin era, too many speculation lovers and idiots who had heard the tales of capitalist existence divorced, and all the best was washed away by the dirty wave of “wild” capitalism and unguarded greed.
    1. Orel
      Orel 18 November 2017 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: sharp-lad
      and all the best was washed away by a dirty wave of "wild" capitalism and uncovered greed.


      Maybe. Now this is history. You can’t fix anything. Unfortunately. Hindsight - all are strong. It’s easy for us to reason now, and then nothing was clear. Muddy water.