Dubai Aircraft presents B-250 turboprop combat aircraft

At the Dubai Airshow 2017 International Air Show in Dubai, the United Arab Emirates group Caldius LLC presented a Bader B-250 two-seat turboprop light combat aircraft, reports bmpd.

The Brazilian company Novaer acted as the actual designer and manufacturer of the B-250, and Brazilian aircraft designer Josef, formerly the main creator of the well-known successful turboprop aircraft of the same class Embraer EMB-312 Tucano and EMB-314 Super Tucano, was the main designer.

“The B-250 is one-piece and has a slightly larger size than the Tucano and Super Tucano, and, unlike the latter, is positioned precisely as a light combat attack aircraft (primarily counterinsurgency) with the use of reconnaissance and surveillance as an aircraft. Possible educational functions are considered as secondary, ”the article says.

The length of the aircraft - 10,98 m, wingspan - 12,08 m. The machine has a double cabin with tandem crew accommodation in ejection seats.

It is reported that “the B-250 is powered by a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68 turboprop with a takeoff power of 1600 hp. with a four-bladed Hartzell propeller, a Rockwell Collins ProLine Fusion avionics complex, and a ventral round-the-clock optoelectronic station. " The total mass of the outboard weapons is up to 3960 pounds (1796 kg).

The prototype was demonstrated at Dubai Airshow 2017 with "guided bombs with satellite correction by the UAE company Tawazun Dynamics, South Korean 70-mm corrected LIG Nex1 LOGIR missiles with an infrared guidance system and DS-16 compact guided munitions."

According to the developers, “the distillation distance of the B-250 is 2400 miles (4445 km); flight duration - up to 12 hours; maximum speed 301 knot (557 km / h); practical ceiling over 30 thousands of feet. Operating costs are less than $ 1200 per flight hour. "

Comments

[xetai9977]

The trend has gone to such aircraft. Brazilians, Turks, Swiss. Americans ... Objectively speaking. very necessary aircraft. They can easily perform the functions of attack helicopters, with the same impact power with much lower costs.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: xetai9977

They can easily perform the functions of attack helicopters, with the same impact power with much lower costs.

Especially with reasonable mass application

[xetai9977]

In addition, the speed is higher than that of helicopters. Yes, and they seem to be 40% cheaper on their own. In addition, operating costs are significantly lower.

[Warrior with machine gun]

Yes, and pilots, you can prepare faster.

[MoJloT]

$ 1200 per flight hour + preflight service = not so cheap for such plywood. But this is Dubai, you can’t buy even a dead cat cheaply.

[xetai9977]

"$ 1200 per flight hour" -
Do you think the hour of a helicopter flight is cheaper? It is unlikely. On the contrary

[MoJloT]

I don’t know much higher, I don’t know how much higher, but it’s not correct to compare the high-tech multipurpose device, designed to be the best of the best on the battlefield and plywood with a propeller to drive the broads across the desert. This is how to compare poplar and RPG7. When they want to get a cheap helicopter, they make a helicopter, and this is more like an airplane.

[xetai9977]

And why is a helicopter “hi-tech” and what can a helicopter do, which such a device cannot? Hang out? He doesn’t need it. This is the task of the LAND helicopters. And he is quite capable of replacing drums and at the same time save a lot of money.

[Zaurbek]

A helicopter, of course, is more versatile and operational than Tucano .... but much more expensive, less load-bearing and has less resource. In general, it probably makes sense to make mixed squadrons: Aircraft — reconnaissance of targets and then an attack group of helicopters.

[Monetniy]

A helicopter can take off and land on an unprepared patch, the plane cannot do this, under certain conditions this is a decisive factor, otherwise I agree

[gurzuf]

The keyword is counterinsurgency.

[Wedmak]

And in my opinion, a combat aircraft should currently have two engines. That's stupid because reserve power doesn’t hurt. This light plywood can be knocked out from a heavy machine gun (of which dofiga divorced), and the second engine will obviously not be superfluous.

[xetai9977]

A helicopter can also easily be shot down from a machine gun))) and even easier than this letaka, because it has a higher speed. As for the second engine, the examples of the F-16 and Gripena prove that this is not necessarily the case)

[Wedmak]

A helicopter can also easily be shot down from a machine gun)))

Mi-8 disagrees with you. He even withstood the anti-aircraft missile. And in the engine area. But he has two of them, so he went to his own. And by the way, combat shock turntables are equipped with two engines. I don’t remember like this just a combat helicopter with one engine.

o examples of F-16 and Gripena prove

Give examples where F-16 or Gripen survived getting into the engine and returned to base?

[Warrior with machine gun]

and this is generally real, given their layout?))

[Vlad.by]

Neither F-16 nor Grippen are able to perform the functions of an attack aircraft. Largely due to the single-engine design and lack of booking.

[Whaler]

I support)) in the nose of GSh-23, under the plane and belly, you can attach quite decent toys, tons of commercials under 2,5 + armored capsule to pilots

[tchoni]

Quote: xetai9977

The trend has gone to such aircraft. Brazilians, Turks, Swiss. the Americans ...

No wonder. Counter-guerrilla (asymmetric) wars are now in vogue. But patrol-strike aircraft in the modern air force - about two times and miscalculated. Different in the US Air Force - until recently, there were a certain number of ganships. All. Do you want to patrol the area - if you please drive a jet attack aircraft or an epic bomber or, at worst, a helicopter that can only hang in the air for a couple of hours (15 minutes of them take off and land, half an hour flight to the patrol zone, half an hour - back .. what’s there the work remains - it is unclear) Well, of course, not one of these miracles of technology was equipped with a reconnaissance complex that allowed you to search for small targets like the "single enemy soldier" at night ... So they build what they build because asymmetric wars rule. ..

[Non liberoid Russian]

with guerrillas and Papuans in trousers the most is cheap and cheerful

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

with guerrillas and Papuans in trousers the most is cheap and cheerful

So an option to fight the Hussites and others

[Whaler]

effective exhaust system (sound) + mode of terrain envelope (below the scan low-altitude radar) and such a thing can cause anyone problems .... night attack aircraft))

[dvina71]

It's time to restore the production of Yak-9)))

[MoJloT]

It is possible and silt 2 it will come out even cheaper)

[CentDo]

Then it’s better than IL-2)

[dvina71]

Quote: CentDo

Then it’s better than IL-2)

IL-2 will be more expensive and slower. Yak-9 is the thing .. and the speed and pylons for missile bombs are guns and machine guns .. I don’t understand the presence of such aircraft in the armed forces .. with live MANPADS fired by hundreds of thousands of copies .. Massive use of such letaks will simply call them to their place manual air defense applications .. and everything .. will be like in the Donbass.

[CentDo]

This is where the Yak-9 pylons for bombs and missiles? There was of course a modification of the Yak-9B, in which there was a small bomb bay, but there weren’t any conventional bomb racks on nine. They were on the Yak-1 and Yak-7. And it’s not worth talking about the “giant” ShVAK ammunition (120 shells).

[dvina71]

Quote: CentDo

This is where the Yak-9 pylons for bombs and missiles?

Did you read further? Or just mastered to the pylons? Everyone is puzzled by the installation of protective devices against MANPADS ... and then they offer the military a 2nd world plane .. and seriously discuss their effectiveness ... It's not about the Yak-9, but that their time in the war has passed.

[CentDo]

Common sense in the second part of the comment does not compensate for the nonsense written in its first part.

[Whaler]

I repeat .... an effective exhaust system (sound) + the mode of enveloping the terrain (below the sweep of low-altitude radars) and such a thing can cause problems for anyone .... night attack aircraft))

[Setrac]

Quote: Whaler

I repeat .... an effective exhaust system (sound) + the mode of enveloping the terrain (below the sweep of low-altitude radars) and such a thing can cause problems for anyone .... night attack aircraft))

All of the above you are against modern anti-aircraft defense, but this device can be shot down with simple small arms - no rounding of the terrain will help here.

[AID.S]

Quote: dvina71

I generally don’t understand the presence of such aircraft in the aircraft .. with live MANPADS, issued by hundreds of thousands of copies.

And the IR head of MANPADS will capture such a target?

[Warrior with machine gun]

so they are designed for resistors with bows))

[Vadim_2]

IL-10 model 1944.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: CentDo

Then it’s better than IL-2)

Every vegetable has its own time.
Well-proven in WWII IL-2, in Korea suffered losses that crossed out the expected effect of its use.
The described aircraft, after all, is a different era of development, taking into account newly revealed circumstances.

[Vlad.by]

There was an IL-10 in Korea

[donavi49]

The main difference between all these Yaks / Ils in tactics of application.

What you offer relied on the pilot's visual instruments. That is, he had to find the goal with his eyes and complete the approach. This, by the way, is also relevant for the current incarnation of the Su-25СМ. Changes will only be in SuperGrach closer to 20m. This is a fairly primitive and narrowly applied approach.

These aircraft have a different tactic. They go to the patrol area. Using their stabilized multi-mode all-round station, they search for targets / conduct surveillance. Moreover, a separate person works - the operator. If they find something interesting, they can work right on the spot with available controlled (without entering the danger zone) or uncontrollable (if the target does not pose a threat to the aircraft) means or call for help. A sort of expensive shock UAV of the Reaper type - for those to whom the Riper will not be sold and can not afford to buy.

That is - for example, there is a task, in the region of 5-6 villages in Idlib there will be a certain movement. A pair of trucks with weapons. And 20-30 broads in microbuses. Having only Su-25 - the task will be very difficult to solve. Well, you can wet every truck and every bus - but having received such information, target women and wagons will hide in the way and wait. Having just such a rattle - the task can be completed by working on the 3-4 km - being hardly noticeable from the ground. Observe to identify the necessary trucks and vans where they will be driven. And then either call the designated Su-25 or drop 2-4 bombs yourself.

[san4es]

Quote: dvina71

It's time to restore the production of Yak-9)))

... or La 7

[Berkut24]

He drew attention to the camel skins that covered the pilot's seats. You can immediately see for whom they did it.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Berkut24

He drew attention to the camel skins that covered the pilot's seats.

It ,MEXICAN TUSHKAN.

[san4es]

At Dubai International Airshow 2017 in Dubai

[Laughtermaster]

"Shilka" approves.

[Butchcassidy]

There is a demand for such machines, especially in poor countries, for which Su-27, MiG-29, F-15, F-16 type cars are expensive and redundant.

[nmaxxen]

Build an F-35, and fight in a car from the Second World War ....
quite in the spirit of the era of simulacra ..

[nmaxxen]

he’ll go unarmed, and in case of a serious conflict, who will seek and blame the author of this plywood bookcase

[donavi49]

Who with whom?

Most wars go against irregulars, partisans and other broads. In these conditions, such a machine is very well used. Why? Low cost of an hour and a high% of readiness - that is, it can really be used constantly in a conflict. Convenient observation platform - a stable multi-mode all-round complex, a separate operator for searching and using weapons on board. A multifunctional platform - it can also throw controlled bombs from 4 km, being inaccessible and still hardly noticeable (like an UAV), and work with conventional types of weapons.

If the war is with someone. Then this someone is trying to collect a dress of forces, providing an overwhelming advantage. And there you will have at least 5-6 Gripenov / Ф16 / Su-35С - against 100500 axes in the first wave and 200-300 planes they will turn into the same burnt pieces in the first hours. Why pay more?

[dvina71]

Quote: donavi49

Most wars go against irregulars, partisans and other broads.

On the black market, Strela's price is about 15k presidents, which means a certain number of these devices in the ranks of the irregulars and other combatants, and if against modern aircraft these tools do not look promising, then against such low-speed and low-altitude aircraft. And even their modern equipment will help little. In the end, they do not dump out of outer space in the area of ​​the military base, what prevents them from being caught on the route to the target?

[tchoni]

Quote: nmaxxen

unarmed will go

Yeah))) The poor, unarmed ISIS, ali Majahideen are Afghan (that is, the children are unarmed and do not cut heads), or the Ichkeria forest brothers (true angels and maternity hospitals do not capture schools) ....
As for the epic conflicts and plywood, I remember that in the Korean company the "jet" US Air Force had problems with the U-2 plywood, which the Koreans used as night bombers. Even the losses that were being ravaged were among American "jet" aces. Which is quite funny, the newer and far not obsolete IL10 in Korea did not show themselves at all ...
This composite piece will have an EPR cruise missile and flight profile is the same as hers.

[Altona]

If there is a sphere of application of such equipment, then why not? It’s just that since the Second World War the air defense system has advanced very far and if they appear among the rebels, this thing will not justify itself.

[Zaurbek]

We have an engine of similar power ... you need to do our "Tucano"

[Piramidon]

Cool! Does it remind me of anything alone?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

And what is it worse? It is checked in fights, does not need PR, costs a penny.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

And what is it worse?

I think - nothing. And in many ways even better. And if you apply modern technology and a fuel engine ...

[Old26]

Quote: dvina71

I don’t even understand the presence of such aircraft in the armed forces .. with live MANPADS issued by hundreds of thousands of copies .. Massive use of such missiles will simply call manual air defense to their place of use .. and everything .. will be like in the Donbass.

Kamrad! You do not understand a little detail. You can’t project such planes, let’s say so to the whole world. In certain regions of the world, such machines will be in demand. This class of machines has its own designation - COIN. Decrypted as (I apologize for the Russian transcription) counterinsurgent - counterinsurgency
Of course, there are cars of another class - attack aircraft, and this is precisely "against the Papuans". Moreover, if we consider such regions, in particular South America, it would hardly be possible to say that it is possible to massively use MANPADS against such vehicles. Imagine partisans who are unlikely to be trained in the professional use of MANPADS. Jungle (or whatever they are called, Selva seems). Such a “stormtrooper” enters the area where these partisans concentrate. It goes literally over the very edge of the trees. Will the partisans succeed not only in accurately determining, being below, between the trees, the course from which such an aircraft enters and most importantly alert their MANPADS. And one more, kmk, an important detail. The exhaust of such an engine in terms of infrared visibility is less than that of a jet
Roughly the same in a region like South Africa. Where the partisans do not have such saturation with manual air defense. There were a number of articles about South African cars of the same purpose. And imagine that among the boundless expanses of the bush is a chain of local partisans. And at an altitude of 5-7 meters such a stormtrooper enters such a group? Expand a heavy machine gun in no time. It’s unlikely that you can take it into the front hemisphere from MANPADS because it has a pushing screw ... In short, somewhere such machines can be used, somewhere not. Approximately the same situation when the "self-propelled" on a wheeled chassis can be used in the same South Africa, but can not be used in the spring on the fields of Russia. By the way, the Yemen region is in principle suitable for use. Sorry, for the lengthy and there may be a banal answer

[Old26]

Quote: dvina71

In the end, they do not dump out of outer space in the area of ​​the military base, what prevents them from being caught on the route to the target?

If irregulars, then there is hardly a solid front line and it may not be possible to catch it on the exit route. It is very difficult to detect it, radar is unlikely among irregulars in each group of partisans

[Couchexpert]

“The B-250 is one-piece and has a slightly larger size than the Tucano and Super Tucano, and, unlike the latter, is positioned precisely as a light combat attack aircraft (primarily counterinsurgency) with the use of reconnaissance and surveillance as an aircraft. Possible educational functions are considered as secondary, ”the article says.

The composite design and the absence of any protection (armor, heat traps, electronic warfare equipment - not a word about protection at all) clearly translates this unit into the category of civilian / educational. Or, faced with even minimal resistance from the ground, you will have to go to great heights and use only expensive high-precision weapons (and we were going to save, weren't we?). In addition, composites impose considerable restrictions on operation (minor repairs are impossible in an aerodrome, only a complete replacement of a damaged part). So attempts to “save” like this can go sideways. The basing capabilities are not clear (runway coverage quality), but the flimsy chassis wheels "are not impressive."
In general, if you really want to "save" would have done then piston and diesel.