On the "Yantar" launched the hull of two frigates "admiral" series

In early November, the hull of the Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov frigates of the 11356 project, suspended by construction of the frigates Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov, was launched without warning at PJSC Baltic Shipbuilding Plant “Yantar” in Kaliningrad. bmpd.

Launched hulls suspended by the construction of frigates Admiral Istomin (serial number 01361) and Admiral Kornilov (serial number 01362) of a modified 11356 project at PJSC Baltic Shipbuilding Plant Yantar. Kaliningrad, 14.11.2017.

The descent was carried out, apparently, to release the stocks of the plant.

Recall that the construction of the second three ships of the modified project 11356 under a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of September 13, 2011. All six ships of the modified project 11356 were originally planned to replenish the Black Sea fleet.

In 2016, the construction of the second three frigates of the modified 11356 project was suspended due to the lack of the main gas turbine power plants for them for the production of the Nikolaev GP NPKG Zorya - Mashproekt.

In June, 2014, by a decree of the State Service for Export Control of Ukraine, suspended the validity of a permit to export military goods to Russia. In this regard, the work on the order for "Yantar" on the NPK "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" were discontinued. All equipment was mothballed and sent to storage. The Russian customer was informed about the impossibility of further fulfillment of the terms of the contract due to force majeure.

Comments

[Zibelew]

Now Amber will have five unfinished buildings: Fog, Novik / Borodino, Butakov, Istomin and Kornilov. The completion of the first 2 was definitely abandoned, the fate of another 3 has not yet been determined

[donavi49]

Most likely Butakov - to the Indians. The remaining two are to Novik and Fog to the eternal parking lot.

[dvina71]

Hindus have none of this, have been voiced several times. They will be built from scratch, and the stocks for their order may have been released .. local au ..?
Frigates will be completed for the Russian Navy. Now the question is being solved which and how to install turbines on them.

[next322]

the first two buildings were bought by the Indians and will be completed for them at amber ...... the third is most likely to stand a certain number of years in wait for a miracle

[dvina71]

Quote: next322

the first two cases bought by the Indians

when did it happen? And where is at least some confirmation?

[next322]

https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%A1%D
0%9A%D0%A0%20%D0%BF%D1%80.%2011356

[next322]

November 16, 2017 at 18:19

The signing of the contract for the supply of frigates of project 11356 to India will take place in the near future. This FlotProm said an informed source in the military-industrial sector. Earlier it became known that in early November at the Baltic Yantar plant the ships Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov were launched. According to the portal’s interlocutor, the contract will be signed in the previously agreed “2 + 2” format, according to which two ships will be built in Russia, and two more in India.

[dvina71]

Quote: next322

The signing of the contract for the supply of frigates of project 11356 to India will take place in the near future.

Well, it happened .. signing? Contract singled out? Or OBS again?

[next322]

I quote generally FLOTPROM, and not the speculation of sofa type admirals

[wildgluk]

I think these hulls will not go to the Indians, since there rocket mines are already under the gauges of the cellular type, and on the Indian frigates the mines are under the brahmos of the carousel type.

[Lord of the Sith]

It was already possible to buy turbines from the Chinese.

[dvina71]

Quote: Sith Lord

It was already possible to buy turbines from the Chinese.

In Rybinsk, they built a practically new plant, a test bench .. and fuck it all ..?

[Lord of the Sith]

But I didn’t know that.

[Alexander War]

http://flotprom.ru/2016/242493/ Тут подробней

[PROXOR]

Well, buy it for now. Then only put your own. The surface forces of the Russian Navy are generally not the first freshness. Update NEEDED. And then almost with every ship in the sea the tugboat goes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

It was already possible to buy turbines from the Chinese.

Will not work. So far in the world there are only 3 manufacturers of ship gas-turbine engines of "full cycle" - GE, RR and Zorya-Mashproekt. The rest work either in cooperation with them, or under a license. A step to the left, a step to the right - and you can lose the license and all the advantages of technical cooperation.
This is easier with Chinese diesels - they completely localized them, formally "untying" them from their German counterparts.

[donavi49]

The turbines that they master are suitable for 22350 - but they are neither in size nor intended for 11356.

The options are simple:
- remake identical 22350 for energy. After cutting the cars live, counting something.
- slightly remake the turbine for the marching mode of operation (while it will have a much lesser resource than a real marching course). Redo cars for new turbines.
- sell the case to the Indians.
- Score.

Variant 1 - requires large alterations and chassis will suffer.
Option 2 - will require twice as many turbines (and with this in the first years there will be a shortage). Plus, the resource will be less (namely, the marching here are the main ones by resource).
Option 3 - trying to implement. In relation to the most completed Butakov.
Option 4 - most likely implemented in relation to the other two.

[huntsman650]

Option 5 to tow.

[venik]

Quote: donavi49

Most likely Butakov - to the Indians. The remaining two are to Novik and Fog to the eternal parking lot.

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Neither "it is not another" .. Most likely - they will nevertheless enter the Black Sea Fleet! Although with a "delay" .....
("Let's wait and see!") .... (Although I’m ready to bet, too!)

[seti]

Well, again, we shout that everything was lost .. Of course, it’s a shame that the money / resources swelled and the non-jumping brothers hit in the air with a tip from P..stan. And they did not overcome such difficulties. And hello to Nikolaev Dawn - I hope this enterprise is soon bent.
I think the corps will not last long and the NPO Saturn will finish what has been started and begin the production of turbines for our frigates. After all, they were removed for a reason, the slipway cannot wait - you need to build the hull further.
Another evidence that all key production should be done by ourselves and not ordered on the side. No Russian friends have only fellow travelers. I hope the lesson goes for the future.

[igorra]

Why are the cases different?

[Zibelew]

Quote: igorra

Why are the cases different?

Kornilov’s corps is unfinished. Add-ons and bulwarks are not enough. Lowered without an official bookmark. Guided by the nasal congestion

[donavi49]

Not. Just a different% of readiness. This is a technical descent. To make room. Holes were brewed into the water. If you have to finish building, then there will be a lot of hemorrhoids and a significant increase in the cost of construction. But just keeping the ship in place for a year or two is even more expensive.

[dvina71]

Quote: donavi49

about there will be a lot of hemorrhoids and a significant increase in the cost of construction.

Oh .. I didn’t know that docking is such an expensive technology .. We have oil workers putting their pelvis in the dock for the winter, drying the dock .. and so every year ..

[donavi49]

Not. There is no technical readiness. That is, the mass of operations has not been completed. The equipment is not loaded.

[dvina71]

Quote: donavi49

That is, the mass of operations is not performed

That’s understandable .. how can dry docking make these operations more expensive?

If you have to finish building, then there will be a lot of hemorrhoids and a significant increase in the cost of construction.

Your quote? So I ask .. how much does the docking operation cost? So expensive that it makes no sense to finish? Is it easier to lay a new building?
Did I understand your statement correctly?

[donavi49]

Yes. I did not write - that it is impossible. I wrote it will be more expensive, longer and more hemorrhagic than in a regular place.

And so nothing is impossible. Wren counted the windings incorrectly. And nothing - they picked it out of the compound throughout the ship, laid new ones, filled it with a compound. Yes MO paid money. Yes, it delayed the change to 1,5 of the year.

[wildgluk]

They cleared the way to the slipway for Diamond since there is insufficient height in the workshop for installing add-ons and nothing more. Putting the frigate in the dock is not difficult if necessary, and in 2 days it is possible, but if necessary then again there are no problems to roll out onto steel. Plus, the twin Gren is moved closer to the water, the engine is almost stuck, the ramp is bunged and, in principle, it is possible to finish building on the water.

[Black water]

So, and there is no alternative power plant and is not expected if put in the parking lot?

[dvina71]

Quote: Black Water

So, and there is no alternative power plant and is not expected if put in the parking lot?

There is .. M70 / 5fru, m-90fr

[Berkut24]

Engines promise in 2018 to give.

[dvina71]

Quote: Berkut24

Engines promise in 2018 to give.

That's why the slipway and freed. While the engines on the stream will, you can build other buildings.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Berkut24

Engines promise in 2018 to give

only on frigates 22350, about 11356 nothing is known, except for the abstract promises of officials

[Berkut24]

April 25, 2017 two ship gas turbine engines - M70FRU and M70FRU-2 were demonstrated in Rybinsk. Tests are underway to confirm the compliance of products with the technical specifications.

[Nemesis]

And who is to blame that there are no turbines for them? The Kremlin is also to blame for the directors of shipyards ... What to expect from Ukraine was clear even under Yushchenko, but they did not take the necessary measures in a timely manner ....

[Captain45]

Quote: Nemesis

The Kremlin is also to blame for the directors of shipyards ... What to expect from Ukraine was clear even under Yushchenko, but they did not take the necessary measures in a timely manner ....

I am very sorry that you are not at the helm .... "You are our visionary" (c). “Everyone in Russia knows how to manage the state, it’s only a pity that all knowledgeable people are already working as taxi drivers or hairdressers” (c)

[Igor V]

That the Kremlin is to blame is understandable, but what did the plant directors not please? Did they need to arrange the production of their engines? Or redo the drawings for the engine from a chainsaw?

[Nemesis]

The director of the plant should think about his plant, and if the supply of motors from Ukraine was in doubt, and they were not in question for the first year, then it was necessary to conclude contracts for the supply of engines from another country, for example from China, and they hoped for a chance, so their fault is that factories cannot fulfill the contracts too ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

The director of the plant should ... timely conclude contracts for the supply of engines from another country, for example from China

Yeah ... or from Mars.
The adoption of such a level of decision is not within the competence of the plant director ... dear

[Nemesis]

It is included, since this plant is a 49% private shop, and if the Kremlin has a lot of Ukrainian patriots and the whole point is this, then this is a question for GDP on the topic - What do the patriots of foreign states do in the Russian government ...?!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

Included, since this plant is a 49% private shop

Excluded. The controlling stake in the enterprise is with the state (although in this case this is not the case ... at all).
The order is state-owned, and it’s up to the customer, not the contractor, to put the engine there.

Quote: Nemesis

and if the Kremlin has a lot of Ukrainian patriots and the whole point is

What kind of hangover is this?

Quote: Nemesis

What do patriots of foreign states do in the Russian government ...?!

Mdya ... a foil hat will definitely not help ...

[Nemesis]

And from such a thing that even under Yushchenko it was clear what to expect from Ukraine and, despite this, they fed Ukraine orders in the Kremlin, instead of developing production in the Russian Federation ... And the customer could consider options and another dvigla, only the plant didn’t provided ... But the problem is that both the plant director and the Kremlin, as they used to under Yeltsin, simply overslept, instead of working and taking timely measures .... Yes, they give $ 750 million to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan about the fact that in the Russian government there are not a few patriots of these countries who are pulling money from the Russian Federation ... including me about senators ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

even under Yushchenko it was clear what to expect from Ukraine

Hindsight is strong ...

Quote: Nemesis

the customer could consider options for another dvigla, only the plant did not provide options ...

The factory does not deal with such things

Quote: Nemesis

and $ 750 million worth of gifts to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan indicate that the government of the Russian Federation has many patriots of these countries who are pulling money from the Russian Federation

But this is the very case when "silence is gold"

[Nemesis]

You yourself know who has the back mind ... Tired of being silent when you are robbed ...

[Nemesis]

Listen to the song of Konstantin Frolov, at your leisure - ,, My Angel Anna ''

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nemesis

The director of the plant should think about his plant and if the supply of motors from Ukraine is in doubt, and they have been in doubt for several years

"In doubt" GTD since 2014. There were no problems before that.

Quote: Nemesis

it was necessary to timely conclude contracts for the supply of engines from another country, for example from China

You could have just as well enter into contracts for the supply of engines with GE or RR. According to the State Customs Code, China is tied to Zorya-Mashproekt and will not ruin its production for us.

[Nemesis]

China has been copying everything in a row for a long time and certainly doesn’t depend on Ukraine a single gram ... Deliveries from Ukraine have been in doubt since Yushchenko, because even then it was clear how the jumping under Russophobia would end in Ukraine ...

[Nemesis]

If people like Yeltsin understood in a timely manner that they were born in order to work as janitors in Solikamsk, they would do a great service to Russia ...

[Karen]

Quote: Nemesis

And from such that even under Yushchenko it was clear what to expect from Ukraine

In fact, even before Yushchenko it was clear where the slant would lead ... Even from the Orangemen ... When you call a sidekick in Kiev, you ask what you are doing, and he says that he is watching from the window a new truck with warm clothes approaching the crowd from abroad will help us ...