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Spiral leading to the abyss: Ukraine and Poland are more and more like enemies

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Ukraine is becoming an enemy of Poland. This happens to the delight of the Kremlin, the Polish edition of Newsweek.pl believes.




Arguments for such a conclusion edition leads the most convincing. Relations between the two states are deteriorating so rapidly that soon Poland will be almost completely surrounded by enemies - as Moscow allegedly wants. Kremlin strategists, the article says, could only dream of such a thing!

“In the relations of Warsaw with Kiev, the worst scenario is embodied that looks copied from the Kremlin’s strategies concerning our part of Europe,” the website quotes "InoTV" Polish edition Newsweek.pl. “In relations with Ukraine, we have a spiral and a chasm that is self-twisting and tightening us down,” adds the author of the material, journalist Michal Katsevich.

In Ukraine, almost all media say that Poland "has ceased to be a lawyer in Kiev," emphasizes Katsevich. And in Poland they say that Kiev disappointed them, because it behaves dishonestly. “In a word,” the author concludes, “ historical politics and issues of honor prevail in relations between Poland and Ukraine. At the same time, the characters in the scenario leading to the big Polish-Ukrainian quarrels play their role on both sides. In Poland. And in Ukraine. ”

Here is the proof from the very top: Vitold Vashchikovsky, the head of the Polish Foreign Ministry, boasted the other day a list of Ukrainian non-grata persons in Poland. The media noted that Vladimir Vyatrovich, head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance, could have entered the black list.

Earlier, the same Vashchikovsky hinted (and more than once) that he did not like the historical policy of Ukraine, but in particular, the praise cultivated by Kiev of Bandera and the UPA (the organization is banned in Russia). “The Minister stamped his foot. He stressed that there is no question of letting people into Poland who are walking around in the uniform of the SS “Galicia”, the author of the article cites the opinion of the Polish minister.

As for Mr. Poroshenko, he walks in Kiev on thin ice, which is why he has to flirt with nationalist societies. As a mantra, he repeats: they say, the cult of Bandera is aimed not at Poland, but at Russia, and also serves to build a new Ukrainian self-consciousness.

If the dispute between Ukraine and Poland is not resolved now at the level of state officials, then a good attitude to the Poles in Ukraine and to the Ukrainians in Poland may change, the journalist is convinced.

Obviously, we note, Michal Katsevich hints at the benefits that Moscow will receive from the hostility of Poland and Ukraine. No wonder he is saying that the Kremlin strategists are "not mistaken." The Kremlin is "patiently" working to ensure that Ukraine and Poland are not friends.

The idea is truly strange: if Ukraine and Poland themselves are doing everything to live in a quarrel, then what does the Kremlin have to do with it? The new national "self-consciousness" is now in abundance in Kiev, in Warsaw.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 16 November 2017 07: 49
    +3
    historically they don’t “love each other” the same Volyn massacre is an example of this
    1. Monos
      Monos 16 November 2017 08: 53
      10
      soon Poland will be surrounded almost entirely by enemies - as Moscow supposedly wants.

      Wow, this insidious Moscow! Vilely slipped the enemies of the Poles in the neighbors!
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 16 November 2017 09: 35
        +5
        Victor, salute! hi drinks It would be better if these American profursets quit competing in expressing US loyalty and gaining the title of “beloved wife” in Europe, rather than being blamed for a healthy one. lol
        1. Monos
          Monos 16 November 2017 12: 14
          +4
          Hello buddy! hi laughing
          Quote: Jedi
          compete in expressing loyalty to the US and winning the title of "beloved wife"

          Rather, lovers and "whores."
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 16 November 2017 12: 16
            +5
            Quote: Monos
            Rather, lovers and "whores."

            We understand this, like the United States. But Poland and Ukraine are in pink dreams. fool
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 16 November 2017 10: 30
        0
        that looks copied from Kremlin strategies for our part of Europe

        - There are no parts of Europe; everything has been given by the Kremlin (ITT) and will select the Kremlin.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 November 2017 09: 33
      +7
      That a couple of horseradish and eeyear laughing Either the chubat’s pshcheks will be fucked from behind, or the chuby’s chubata will work with their mouths, this is love. laughing
  2. Skay
    Skay 16 November 2017 07: 49
    +4
    Poles and Ukrainians are worthy of each other.
    1. volodya
      volodya 16 November 2017 08: 05
      0
      Quote: Skay
      Poles and Ukrainians are worthy of each other.

      Madhouse on both sides! . What does Russia have to do with it? They will eat each other themselves!
      1. The black
        The black 16 November 2017 09: 24
        +3
        The relationship between Ukraine and Poland is the same as between the toad and the viper wassat
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 16 November 2017 10: 01
      +6
      Quote: Skay
      Poles and Ukrainians are worthy of each other.

      Ah, the Russians? After all, once, we all lived together, in one big country. Now that country is no longer there. And her fragments fiercely hate each other. Poles - Ukrainians and Russians. Ukrainians, in turn, Poles and Russians. The Russians are Ukrainians and Poles. All stand each other. From the outside it looks completely stupid. In the West they just laugh at us!
      Of course, all this was achieved, and the West achieved it. But it’s worth blaming it, only ourselves, and above all, inept leadership!
      Both the Tsar and the Soviet Union resolved similar problems, exclusively in their favor. A striking example is Stalin! The Poles even fought against us, but Joseph Vissarionovich gained friendship and favor from Poland. The Poles could not even utter a rush towards Russia, and they did not predict any Katyn! At the same time, the West was not at all laughing. And now?
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 16 November 2017 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Poles - Ukrainians and Russians. Ukrainians, in turn, Poles and Russians. The Russians are Ukrainians and Poles.

        Who told you that we hate the Poles? Rather, they despise ... \ my grandfather ... a sniper ... told how in Poland he drove PYAKOV into the attack, who decided to sit in the crater while the Russians stormed the German defense. Well, and my personal communication with the Poles, this opinion only strengthened ..
        The same is with the Ukrainians .. Here are those who live in Lugansk and Donetsk, including where they are standing here ... they are Ukrainians .., Golden eagles on the Maidan .. Ukrainians who burned in Odessa, who stood for 4 hours, surrounded by law-enforcement officers in Nikolaev .. Ukrainians are also .. By the way, Ukrainian bloggers, having visited Russia and having conducted questions, will find out that Ukrainians are STINGUED .. and this is more likely to be true ..
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 16 November 2017 12: 32
          +3
          Quote: dvina71
          Who told you that we hate the Poles? Rather despise ..

          This is just a word. Let's replace it with "relate". The meaning of this will not change. The fact that such a situation has developed is only our fault. It is not necessary to consider Poland and Ukraine as independent countries. Ordinary Limitrophs. Ordinary limitrophic behavior. Who dances them, that orders their disapproval. According to their behavior, it is clear that this is done, unfortunately, not by Russia.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 16 November 2017 12: 38
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            It's just a word

            No .. this is not just a word. It makes sense ..
            Hatred is the other side of love, sensually not logical ... arising on a subconscious level.
            And contempt is quite a conscious state. having grounds in the form of information and personal experience.
            THAT we regret the Ukrainians .. although it costs them dearly, but how else to teach a foolish brother if he suddenly developed a love for the West ..
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 16 November 2017 14: 25
              +3
              Quote: dvina71
              No .. this is not just a word. It makes sense ..
              Hatred is the other side of love, sensually not logical ... arising on a subconscious level.

              Well, I think the concept of hatred is somewhat broader. And she can appear more likely in a logical way. They insulted, offended, dishonored, robbed, slandered, hit ... And the situation: from love to hate is one step, let's leave the romantics.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 16 November 2017 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Skay
        Poles and Ukrainians are worthy of each other.

        Ah, the Russians? After all, once, we all lived together, in one big country. Now that country is no longer there. And her fragments fiercely hate each other. Poles - Ukrainians and Russians. Ukrainians, in turn, Poles and Russians. The Russians are Ukrainians and Poles. All stand each other. From the outside it looks completely stupid. In the West they just laugh at us!
        Of course, all this was achieved, and the West achieved it. But it’s worth blaming it, only ourselves, and above all, inept leadership!
        Both the Tsar and the Soviet Union resolved similar problems, exclusively in their favor. A striking example is Stalin! The Poles even fought against us, but Joseph Vissarionovich gained friendship and favor from Poland. The Poles could not even utter a rush towards Russia, and they did not predict any Katyn! At the same time, the West was not at all laughing. And now?

        If you like fairy tales about "fraternal" peoples about those, it’s always pouring water on us and our country, then these are your problems ... most Russians don’t like it !!! wassat wassat wassat so your comparison of Russians with these ungrateful nations can finally be out of place !! negative negative negative wink yes laughing laughing laughing
        Quote: Stas157
        Of course, all this was achieved, and the West achieved it.

        he does it thanks to the same "philosophers" like you !!! laughing laughing laughing
  3. pvv113
    pvv113 16 November 2017 07: 57
    +3
    Ukraine is becoming the enemy of Poland.

    If they come to scuffle, then I will not be upset at all
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 16 November 2017 08: 08
      +4
      Quote: pvv113
      If they come to scuffle, then I will not be upset at all

      will not reach, they have one sponsor. they simply don’t pay attention to a small squabble, but like that - they stamp it with a leg and they quickly scatter around the booths.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 16 November 2017 09: 04
        +3
        One sponsor, but suddenly he wants to see cockfights wink
        1. den3080
          den3080 16 November 2017 09: 52
          +1
          "cock-fights" laughing that's right according to Freud's reservation
          the sponsor and guardian of the mess, that is, swearing between the "cute" in particular Poland and Ukraine, is the United States.
          divide and rule. let cockfights, but they lick the boots and the fifth point regularly, pushing themselves in line, pushing each other out.
          and rush to Russia at the click of a finger.
          but for now this is so - everything is super.
          and if one of the "roosters" comes to his senses and begins to think with his chicken head - it’s time to get the other one to inspire even more - you don’t need to think, because the master has already thought and determined everything.
          The circuit works flawlessly, all over the world.
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 16 November 2017 08: 13
      0
      So Yes. But most likely the owner will not allow massacre ...
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 16 November 2017 08: 31
        +2
        Quote: Hagalaz
        So Yes. But most likely the owner will not allow massacre ...


        Between the structures of power, the owner will still be able to do something, but between the peoples is no longer there.
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 16 November 2017 08: 13
    +7
    The Kremlin is “patiently” working to ensure that Ukraine and Poland are not friends.

    The Kremlin doesn’t need to work, it will stand aside to see how ...
    Themselves, themselves, themselves ... lol
  5. afrikanez
    afrikanez 16 November 2017 08: 16
    +2
    Yes, they would rather eat each other there. It would become easier for us to breathe.
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 16 November 2017 08: 39
      +1
      And the controversial Galicia to help them.
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  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 November 2017 08: 34
    +1
    ... after all, the flowers begin to creep out, and there the berries are just around the corner ... soon they will be irreconcilable enemies, A mustache ahead ... laughing
  8. DenZ
    DenZ 16 November 2017 08: 36
    +2
    I wrote about 2 years ago that these two (Ukraine and Poland) are bound to mate. For it is in their blood. Regardless of mutual curtsy and smiles (at first) this is bound to happen. And given the number of armaments in Poland, this will not happen by chance. Poland has a very specific interest in Ukraine (in its territories).
    1. faiver
      faiver 16 November 2017 08: 46
      0
      stir referendum in Lviv?
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 16 November 2017 08: 50
      0
      And if this is the plan, to pit two countries in the center of Europe, if not Russia with Ukraine, then at least with Poland? Russia didn’t come to the war.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 16 November 2017 10: 17
        +2
        in Europe now it’s like the hare of the Sultan: I’m all yelling my beloved wife (the main Russophobe), but until the owner comes because of a large puddle and appoints. in the meantime, it seems to amuse him.
  9. Kleber
    Kleber 16 November 2017 08: 42
    +1
    In Ukraine, almost all media say that Poland “has ceased to be a lawyer in Kiev”


    Any lawyer needs to be paid to protect the interests of the client.
  10. Satum
    Satum 16 November 2017 08: 53
    0
    Poland is fanning this conflict, but essentially wants to declare war on Ukraine in order to chop off its territory. Ukraine is already weak in military power. I won’t be surprised that the USA is behind it
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 16 November 2017 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: Satum
      to chop off its territory.

      Pshek cannot do this on their own !!! only with the approval of world powers !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing
  11. Moskovit
    Moskovit 16 November 2017 09: 14
    0
    It's funny to hear about "chop off the Lions." Poland and Ukraine will not have any wars in the current world order. Another thing is that the cooling of relations may lead to the blocking of military-technical and financial assistance to Kiev. Also, Poland can significantly impede Ukraine’s attempts to crawl or more precisely draw closer to the EU and NATO. What we need)
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 16 November 2017 18: 27
      +2
      Quote: Moskovit
      Also, Poland can significantly impede Ukraine’s attempts to crawl or more precisely draw closer to the EU and NATO. What we need)

      soon rsheks themselves may be left without the help of the eu !!! lol lol lol
  12. aba
    aba 16 November 2017 09: 35
    0
    Quote: K0

    will not reach, they have one sponsor. they simply don’t pay attention to a small squabble, but like that - they stamp it with a leg and they quickly scatter around the booths.

    They will scatter and scatter, but the muzzles will not stop beating to each other.
  13. Beby
    Beby 16 November 2017 10: 43
    +2
    Yes, even kill each other!
    The more they repurpose, the less strength they will have for all sorts of abominations and dirty tricks for the DPR / LPR, .. as well as other northern and eastern neighbors.
  14. Bratyshka
    Bratyshka 16 November 2017 10: 47
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Skay
    Poles and Ukrainians are worthy of each other.

    Ah, the Russians? After all, once, we all lived together, in one big country. Now that country is no longer there. And her fragments fiercely hate each other. Poles - Ukrainians and Russians. Ukrainians, in turn, Poles and Russians. The Russians are Ukrainians and Poles. All stand each other. From the outside it looks completely stupid. In the West they just laugh at us!
    Of course, all this was achieved, and the West achieved it. But it’s worth blaming it, only ourselves, and above all, inept leadership!
    Both the Tsar and the Soviet Union resolved similar problems, exclusively in their favor. A striking example is Stalin! The Poles even fought against us, but Joseph Vissarionovich gained friendship and favor from Poland. The Poles could not even utter a rush towards Russia, and they did not predict any Katyn! At the same time, the West was not at all laughing. And now?

    I am glad that against the background of the unfortunate general prosperous unfortunately at the forum “Urya patriotizma”, very near, there are very sober thoughts, rare, unfortunately.
    I fully support.
  15. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 November 2017 10: 56
    +3
    But in general, Poland and the so-called Ukraine have ever been friends?
    Ironically, a very significant part of present-day Ukrainians were born as a result of the realization by the Polish pans of their “first night” right with Ukrainians, and for many generations. The second significant part of the population of Ukraine is Jews fugitive from Poland. The Poles respect neither the first nor the second, especially against the background of territorial losses. And the "Ukrainian color of the nation" remembers that they are "miscarriages" of the Commonwealth. A bunch of historical losers against former owners. Tse Europe!
  16. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 16 November 2017 11: 20
    +1
    The Kremlin is “patiently” working to ensure that Ukraine and Poland are not friends. The idea is truly strange: if Ukraine and Poland do everything in order to live in a quarrel, then what does the Kremlin have to do with it?
    The usual weight of noodles, which serves as a cover for the true goals of Poland in the mournful affairs of Urkaina. Therefore, the Poles supported the Maidan in order to tear Urkain from Russia in order to return the Lviv Voivodeship to their jurisdiction. Otherwise, such a return would not have been possible. After stuffing the "non-slaves" full trousers of full-fledged promises of imminent European prosperity, the Poles waited for the moment when the junta passed the point of return to normalizing relations with Moscow so much that Russia as the successor of the USSR would not be guaranteed to "fit in" with the territorial integrity of Urkaina. Now, in order for there to be a reason to protect an “interesting piece” of the neighboring territory, it is necessary to exacerbate up to interethnic clashes the occurrence of which will be attributed to the intrigues of the Kremlin, but the “pacification” with the subsequent annexation of the Lviv region will already belong to the Poles.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2017 11: 25
    +1
    This happens to the delight of the Kremlin

    And why not be happy when two complete Russophobes pull themselves by the forelocks while still trying to kick a little harder. Watching from the outside without interfering with these "dances" is really joyful.
  18. ando_bor
    ando_bor 16 November 2017 14: 04
    +1
    Yes, Poles Ukrainians "love" more than Russians and Germans combined.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 16 November 2017 17: 23
      +1
      There is one.
  19. Klaus
    Klaus 16 November 2017 16: 36
    0
    And again, Russia is to blame. If the Poles cherished friendship with Ukraine, they would not have spun up the situation. The Nalivaichenko List is proof of Warsaw’s true relationship with the neighboring republic. http://nk.org.ua/politika/polsha-vvedet-sanktsii-
    protiv-ukrainskih-natsionalistov-121809
  20. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 16 November 2017 19: 22
    0
    "Obviously, we note that Mikhal Katsevich is hinting at the benefits that Moscow and Poland will get from the enmity of Poland. It is not for nothing that he expressed the opinion that Kremlin strategists are" not mistaken. "The Kremlin is" patiently "working to ensure that Ukraine and Poland are not friends."
    And it is right! Dear not brothers! Do not play into the hands of Moscow! Give Lviv with its surroundings, demise your friends to Bandera, disperse your current Natsik and live with the Poles soul to soul. To spite the damned masks!
  21. Berkut24
    Berkut24 17 November 2017 14: 25
    0
    So why did logs buy this piglet?