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How was the Mi-28 "Night Hunter"

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Mi-28N “Night Hunter” (according to the NATO codification Havoc, “Devastator”) is a Russian attack helicopter manufactured by PJSC Rostvertol, which is part of the Russian Helicopters holding. It is a modern combat helicopter, the main purpose of which is search and destruction tanks, armored and unarmored enemy equipment, as well as his infantry on the battlefield, in addition, it can hit low-speed air targets. The helicopter can be used in the daytime and at night in both simple and difficult weather conditions.


Mi-28N officially adopted by the Ministry of Defense of Russia and is actively supplied to the troops. According to information for 2017, the Russian Air Force has more than 90 Mi-28N helicopters. The combat vehicle is also in demand in the international market. At least 15 Mi-28NE helicopters are in service with the Iraqi army. Attack helicopters are being delivered to Algeria, which in March 2014 signed a contract for the supply of 42 Mi-28NE helicopters. Helicopters have already taken part in the hostilities, the Russians were used against terrorists, being part of Aviation Russian Air Force groups in Syria, Iraqi were used in battles with terrorists of the Islamic State (IS, a terrorist organization, banned in Russia) in Iraq, in particular, they were widely used during Operation Fatah (attack on Mosul).

His first flight attack helicopter Mi-28 made 35 years ago, it happened 10 November 1982 year. Subsequently, at its base, the Mi-28H helicopter was put into service, which was put into service in the 2009 year. Its mass production began in Russia in 2006, in Rostov-on-Don, at the Rostvertol plant. According to the state armaments program before 2020, the Russian army should receive about 200 Mi-28H helicopters.

Aerobatic team "Berkuty" on the Mi-28Н

The Mi-28 helicopter is distinguished by outstanding flight performance. He is able to perform such aerobatics as the Nesterov loop, barrel, Immelman's coup, flying sideways, flying backwards. It is no coincidence that with the 2012, the Mi-28H helicopters are used by the aerobatic team of the Russian Air Force Berkuty, the group performs flights on six combat helicopters of this type.

History The creation of this amazing helicopter dates back to 1976, when the USSR Council of Ministers adopted a decree on the start of work on a new attack helicopter, which would have surpassed the Soviet Mi-24 and American Apache in service. The leading design bureaus of the country Kamov (Ka-50 “Black Shark” helicopter) and Mil (Mi-28 helicopter, General Designer Mark Weinberg) presented their competition works. Unlike the Ka-50, the Mil helicopter was developed in accordance with the traditional concept of a twin-rotor single-rotor machine with a tail rotor. At the same time, there was a division of functions between the crew members of the attack helicopter: the navigator-operator and the pilot.

Hero of the Soviet Union, test pilot Gurgen Karapetyan, who over the years of his work mastered 28 types of helicopters, gliders and airplanes, and with regard to their modifications - more than a hundred different aircraft, told interesting facts about the appearance of the helicopter and the first tests of the Mi-39 to TASS journalists. In total, he spent more than 5500 hours in the air, flew all types of helicopters created by the Mil Design Bureau, including the Mi-28. It was the test pilot of Mil Design Bureau Gurgen Karapetyan and test navigator Viktor Tsygankov for the first time raised a new experimental helicopter into the air on November 10 of the year 1982.


Gurgen Karapetyan recalls: “That day, unfortunately, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev died. But despite this, the helicopter hovering took place at 11 in the morning. However, already in 12 hours flights were banned. During the first flight, we took off, hung in the air 5 minutes. We first climbed one meter, then five meters, moved left-right, back and forth, made turns with a small angular velocity, and then landed. ” According to the memories of the test pilot, this flight did not leave particularly vivid impressions. At the same time, the helicopter was quite stable and very sensitive in control. Later in November-December 1982 of the year during the tests pilots reached the speed of 60 km / h. After the first flights, all materials on them and the calculation materials of the Mil Design Bureau were submitted to the council at the USSR Ministry of Aviation Industry, after which approval was received for continued testing.

It is worth noting that at that time, the Mi-28 seriously competed with the Kamov product. The Ka-50 helicopter took off into the sky in June of the 1982 of the year, and the Mi-28 took off only in November. As Gurgen Karapetyan recalls, before the execution of the first flight, the transmission was destroyed. Therefore, until November in the design bureaus various improvements were made, and only at the end of autumn the helicopter was able to complete the first hovering. By that time, the Kamovians were able to go far ahead, therefore, in the Mil Millenium, it was necessary to think how to catch up.

A series of preliminary tests of the Mi-28 attack helicopter continued from 1982 to 1985 a year, they were parallel to the tests of the Ka-50 helicopter. In the end, the Ministry of Defense decided that Kamov’s company won the competition, but they didn’t agree with Mil Millenium Design Bureau with such a decision, knowing full well that it was easy to fly on a single-seat car, but effectively fighting was more difficult. According to the memoirs of Karapetyan, the Ka-50 helicopter at the Gorokhovetsky test site was carried out exactly the same as with the Mi-28. In this case, there was such a nuance: once the military crews flew simultaneously on the Ka-50 and Mi-28. Their task was - 25 goals. The crew of the Mi-28 helicopter found all the targets, and the Ka-50 only one.

Mi-28A

The developers of the Mi-28 attack helicopter, as well as test pilots of Mil Design Bureau, urged the military leadership of the USSR that “the pilot at extremely low altitudes could not perform all the functions at once: fly the helicopter, search for targets, go around the terrain and obstacles and hit targets. " Gurgen Karapetyan explains that at the altitudes of 5-15 meters the tasks of one pilot are not able to perform, it is possible at the altitude of 30-50 meters, but then the probability of his defeat increases to 95%.

Gurgen Karapetyan recalled another incident that occurred during his stay in Afghanistan in 1980, along with the general designer of the Mil Design Bureau. Then, at the height of 50 meters, a combat helicopter Mi-24 was shot down. “Whether there a sniper got very good, or a stray bullet hit the pilot in the head. But the co-pilot did not have time to react, and from the height of 50 meters the Mi-24 fell and crashed, ”the test pilot says. After returning to Moscow in the design of the new Mi-28 helicopter, appropriate improvements were made, including the geometry of the cockpit. At the same time, Karapetyan turned to the general designer with a proposal that the entire helicopter cabin should be booked: not only its lower part, but also the glass. Later tests in which the cockpit of the Mi-28 was shot from the 20-mm Vulcan aircraft cannon (the main gun of NATO) showed excellent security results.

The concept of creating a double combat vehicle was confirmed, this approach was absolutely correct. At that time, the Americans had a similar situation, recalls the test pilot of the Mil Design Bureau - materials appeared in print in favor of the single-seater concept of the attack helicopter. Moreover, many articles came out to meetings of the state commission in the USSR, about a month or two before it was held. All this influenced the course of work. Only after testing at the Sikorsky firm in 1989 in the United States they wrote that in order to make the attack helicopter single-handed, it was necessary to automate the 36 of its systems, and the cost of such automation was “golden.


According to Karapetyan, in the process of creating a new helicopter, designers introduced various solutions and concepts designed to achieve improved ergonomics. As an example, the test pilot notes: to start the engine, on the Mi-24 helicopter, it was necessary to perform 144 operations, whereas on the new Mi-28 - the entire 18. The difference was significant. On the Mi-28, a large number of improvements were implemented that they were going to implement even on the Mi-24, but for one reason or another they were never implemented. For example, the Mi-24 had no night vision systems, while the Mi-28 became a 24-hour all-weather combat helicopter. At the same time, it is much more difficult to detect the helicopter itself at night than at daytime hours.

The international debut of the Mi-28A helicopter was in the 1989 year. 8 June car was first demonstrated at the French Air Show in Le Bourget. Soviet attack helicopter became a real star of the exhibition. At the same time, the first reaction of foreigners, according to Karapetyan’s recollections, was the following: “Ay, a copy of American Apache!”. He himself explained that the machines look alike, but it’s wrong to talk about copying, just people in the USSR and the USA thought about one direction in the development of a combat vehicle. At the same time, when foreigners learned about the solutions and concepts that were laid in the Mi-28, they really had a shock. From the point of view of Karapetyan, Apache and Mi-28 are completely different machines in terms of combat survivability and the comparison is not in favor of the American. In the face of the Mi-28, our army received a very good helicopter, which, by its effectiveness and combat survivability, is now one of the best in the world, summed up the honored test pilot.

Currently, the development of the combat helicopter Mi-28 continues. October 12 2016 of the year for the first time the Mi-28HM helicopter, which is a modernized version of the Mi-28Н helicopter, took off. Unlike the usual “Night Hunter”, in which the navigator-operator sits in the front cockpit and is limited in piloting capabilities of the combat vehicle, in the new helicopter full control is implemented in both cockpits. The Mi-28HM helicopter received a nadovulochnaya radar and a new aiming-flight-navigation complex, an improved radar station. It is assumed that the first batch of such helicopters can enter the troops already in 2018 year.

Mi-28NM

Work on the creation of the attack helicopter Mi-28HM (product 296) was launched in 2009 in the framework of the ROC "Avangard-3". The main task of the work was to modernize the existing Mi-28H “Night Hunter” helicopter using new units, units and systems. The combat, flight and operational qualities of the helicopter were planned to be improved by replacing a number of components. Also, part of the project work was related to the simplification of the production of machinery due to the rejection of components, the delivery of which may be associated with the occurrence of any problems.

When creating a modernized Mi-28H combat helicopter, the designers took full account of the experience in developing the Mi-28UB combat training version: they placed a second control kit in the front cockpit of the upgraded helicopter. In addition to this, the crew cabin was also upgraded: the pilot-operator and the commander will now receive extra-cabin information on the operation of all machine systems and on the environment in a more accessible form and in greater volume. This is intended to increase the situational awareness of the crew of the combat vehicle, which will facilitate the interaction and will help to increase the speed of decision-making, especially in difficult combat situations. Also, a new aiming-flight-navigation complex appeared on the helicopter, which received modern computational tools of increased speed. The cockpit of the Mi-28HM helicopter is securely armored, which should provide effective protection against armor-piercing bullets and shells of caliber up to 20 mm inclusive.

Advanced nadtulochnaya radar and increased ability to use modern high-precision weapons, including self-guided missiles, are also the business cards of the Mi-28HM helicopter. The use of precision weapons can significantly reduce the time the attack helicopter is in potentially dangerous situations. The advantages of a modernized car include good resistance to combat damage. This is achieved through the use of new design solutions and the latest materials. The design of the fuel system of the Mi-28HM helicopter eliminates the possibility of explosion or ignition of fuel in the tanks, and the rotor blades were made of composite materials. The blades allow you to safely complete the flight, even when they hit shells caliber 20-30 mm.

Presentation of training and combat helicopters Mi-XNUMHUB from the first batch. Rostov-on-Don, 28 (c) Evgeny Baranov / Russian Helicopters JSC

In addition to the Mi-28NM, another new modification has been created - the Mi-28UB, a training and combat helicopter with a double set of controls and a remote failure simulator, which retained all the functionality of the attack helicopter. The main difference of this model lies precisely in the presence of a dual control system that allows piloting a combat vehicle from both the pilot’s cabin and the operator’s cabin. Due to this, there is the possibility of more effective education and training of military pilots who need the practice of raids on "Night Hunters". Also in combat conditions in case of possible emergency situations on board, the second member of the crew will be able to take control of the helicopter. Mounted on the Mi-XNUMHUB, the failure simulation panel allows simulating for the trainee pilot various options for equipment failure in flight, which improves the trainee's training at times of crisis, and this in the case of real faults or accidents will help save his life.

According to Vadim Barannikov, the first deputy managing director of the Rostvertol aviation plant, under a three-year contract signed with the Russian Ministry of Defense for three years starting from 2017, the military will receive up to 10 combat training helicopters Mi-28UB (thus, the army at least 30 will be replenished with such machines). These helicopters have already passed the full range of factory tests. As the Ministry of Defense specified, in early November 2017, the first two Mi-28UB helicopters with dual control were taken to the troops, in the near future these vehicles will arrive at the 344-th Center for Army Aviation in Torzhok. According to the Aircraftcompare.com portal, the cost of one Mi-28UB is slightly higher than the cost of Mi-28H and ranges from 16,8 to 18 million dollars.

The fact that the domestic combat helicopter Mi-28 according to NATO codification received the nickname “Ravager” in due time, test pilot Gurgen Karapetyan considers very accurate. The experience of the combat use of this combat vehicle in Syria demonstrates that the epithet selected by the military of the North Atlantic alliance is absolutely correct.

Information sources:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4713899
http://www.russianhelicopters.aero
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi28nm.html
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  1. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 16 November 2017 15: 23 New
    +4
    The use of high-precision weapons can significantly reduce the time spent attack helicopters in potentially dangerous situations.

    And what modern missiles with active seeker are used on MI-28? Judging by the application frames in Syria - none.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 November 2017 17: 08 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      The use of high-precision weapons can significantly reduce the time spent attack helicopters in potentially dangerous situations.

      And what modern missiles with active seeker are used on MI-28? Judging by the application frames in Syria - none.

      And where does the missile with GOS? Precision weapons are all that hit a target with a probability of more than 0.5
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 16 November 2017 17: 11 New
        +5
        Have you read the quote?
        The use of precision weapons allows significantly reduce the time spent attack helicopters in potentially dangerous situations.

        This is possible only with an active seeker - fired and dumped. And in all of the videos from Syria, the helicopter hangs motionless all the time the rocket was flying, because the gunner holds the target. There is no reduction in the time spent in attack helicopters in potentially dangerous situations. Everything is the old fashioned way. With barmaley it rolls, if there is anti-aircraft defense, then this is a huge risk for a helicopter. We do not have modern air-to-ground missiles with an active seeker for aviation.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 November 2017 19: 46 New
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          Quote: _Ugene_
          This is possible only with an active seeker - fired and dumped.

          Not only. It is also possible in the case of PAN - advanced aircraft guides with target designation and target illumination.
          1. _Jack_
            _Jack_ 16 November 2017 23: 17 New
            +1
            it’s not that an active seeker does not need to highlight the target, that’s its advantage, but this is the so-called semi-active GOS, then anyway, someone should risk their lives by highlighting the target
        2. opus
          opus 16 November 2017 22: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: _Ugene_
          We do not have modern air-to-ground missiles with an active seeker for aviation.

          Hermes-A / Klevok-A complex

          It seems that in 2018 they should start producing, in 2016 they wrote
          Hermes’s latest long-range anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on Ka-52 combat helicopters will be tested by the Russian military in a real battle in Syria.

          Quote: Alexey RA
          It is also possible in the case of PAN - advanced aircraft guides with target designation and target illumination.

          then this is a semi-active seeker

          S-25L / S-25LD (semi-active laser seeker 24Н1)
          1. _Jack_
            _Jack_ 16 November 2017 23: 16 New
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            Hermes will not be finished in any way, as a result, there are still no missiles with an active seeker
            1. Thor
              Thor 19 November 2017 02: 55 New
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              _Ugene_
              We do not have modern air-to-ground missiles with an active seeker for aviation.

              opus
              Hermes-A / Klevok-A complex
              It seems that in 2018 they should begin to produce

              It seems in 2010 they said that the PAK FA will be put into operation in 2014.

              They wrote clearly, there are no such missiles.

              Therefore, the Apache contest among the Indians prosrali.
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2017 08: 22 New
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          Meant ATGM with radar control ... The ball is left over the obstacle in hover mode.
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 17 November 2017 14: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Meant ATGM with radar control ... The ball is left over the obstacle in hover mode.

            Because a similar application of ATGM is possible in less than 1% of cases.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 November 2017 14: 33 New
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              So they had in mind the presence of a target tracking machine, which allows the device to actively maneuver during ATGM
              1. Thor
                Thor 19 November 2017 02: 50 New
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                When creating the modernized Mi-28N combat helicopter, the designers fully took into account the experience of developing the combat training version of the Mi-28UB: the second control set was placed in the front cockpit of the modernized helicopter.

                The article is nonsense. Cart before the horse.
                UB - extreme modification of 28 ki, in which the jamb 28 / 28A / 28H, which has no analogues in the world, is finally fixed - the operator has no duplicated controls.
              2. _Jack_
                _Jack_ 19 November 2017 11: 21 New
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                Video from Syria, look at what “actively maneuvering during the ATGM operations”, they hang motionless and there are clearly problems with accuracy.
  2. Sagaidark
    Sagaidark 16 November 2017 16: 59 New
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    Also about the Mi-28. http://telegra.ph/Russkij-vzglyad-na-nochnuyu-oho
    tu-10-13 (not advertising)
  3. groks
    groks 16 November 2017 18: 26 New
    +1
    Freeze a good weapon project for 30 years. It is necessary to manage.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 November 2017 19: 49 New
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      Quote: groks
      Freeze a good weapon project for 30 years. It is necessary to manage.

      Come on, well, at least they brought it to the series. And not buried - like the Yankees RAH-66 Comanche or the Marine EFV. smile
      By the way, the Yankees also had a long-term construction - Osprey.
      1. groks
        groks 16 November 2017 20: 37 New
        +1
        For the Americans, Osya is something like an ekranoplanes for us. The subject of national pride. But of doubtful need. It is not surprising that for so long it spit-twisted.
  4. tomket
    tomket 17 November 2017 03: 21 New
    +5
    I was glad that Milevtsy knew better than the military what the military needed))))) We lost the competition, but they did not agree with the result of the competition)))))))))))) They would have spoken the normal language that they cut the lobby. So simple and clear.
    1. parma
      parma 17 November 2017 06: 43 New
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      It’s not only the lobby .. The Ka-50 is more complicated and expensive, and by that time they could have assembled stuffing with rockets for them! Kamovtsi either got ahead of their time, or played with a wunderwafle, who is closer)
  5. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 17 November 2017 08: 16 New
    +2
    Someone explain nahu ... uh nafig this miracle is needed? There is a magnificent alligator, there is a modernized Mi-24 which is Mi35! But there’s no mess with this ridge, then the gearbox doesn’t work for him, then suddenly they remember that the control must be duplicated, in a word fie !!!!!!
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 November 2017 08: 30 New
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    Why do not try to make attack helicopters for external customers with foreign weapons and equipment? You can attract the French or the Israelis. Ka-52 with AFAR, optics and spike would be very good
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 17 November 2017 12: 07 New
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      Those who need a helicopter with real combat experience choose either Apache (a “foreign car” more expensive) or Mi-24/35 (an ageless classic).
      MI-28 - too dubious acquisition to be able to suck in to anyone other than Algeria. Him too a lot of sores.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 November 2017 14: 34 New
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        Many who had sores ... Mi-28 does not stand still, but it has already been adopted for service, and this is precisely what prompts export.
  7. shuravi
    shuravi 17 November 2017 12: 54 New
    +3
    Mi-28, this is to say frankly squalor. They could push it into service only thanks to the most powerful Milevsky lobby in the Armed Forces, and the presence of a clan of old-timers in general uniforms there. Which are already without a "guide" (co-pilot, navigator) do not rise into the sky.
    In principle, there was no real need to create either Mi-28 or Ka-50 (52). A deep modernization of the Mi-24 was needed.
    But in the end, someone wanted to repeat the layout of the AN-64, not the best helicopter by the way, and in the end it turned out what happened. Kamovtsy won the competition.
    The funny thing is that the Mi-24 was still modernized, but did it through the ass.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2017 14: 39 New
      +1
      The AN-1 and Apache and Mi 244/28 tandem crew arrangement did not repeat any layout ... Apache and Mi-28 are a characteristic form, taking into account the increased survivability of the machine and crew. A similar approach was applied on the A-10 and Su-25.
      The Ka-52 is a more sophisticated and expensive device, the coaxial circuit has a smaller resource, although other parameters are better.
      As for electronics and weapons, nothing prevents putting the same on the Mi-28.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 17 November 2017 15: 03 New
        +1
        Maybe you just don’t understand what a helicopter layout is? This is not only the location of crew jobs.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2017 15: 14 New
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          This is the location of the gearbox, motors and other systems ...
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 17 November 2017 16: 02 New
            +1
            That's it. Therefore, according to the layout of the AN-64 and Mi-28 twins.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 November 2017 16: 14 New
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              Yes, but there are general laws of physics ... and protection against hits.
              1. shuravi
                shuravi 17 November 2017 21: 40 New
                +1
                It's about the layout.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 17 November 2017 22: 33 New
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                  The layout, if you look carefully classic for the attack aircraft ... less important units protect the more important ones and duplication of everything ... the same approach on the Ka-52, adjusted for the scheme with two propellers ... and the Su-25 as amended, which he is a plane.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 17 November 2017 19: 27 New
    0
    I don’t feel delight from this helicopter, without a steep body kit of all kinds of modules, the average is so-so, moreover, it looks ugly ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2017 21: 10 New
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      Look without a kit on Apache ...
  9. Eflintuk
    Eflintuk 18 November 2017 00: 27 New
    0
    Until there are missiles with GOS, all this is a very miserable sight. Especially footage from Syria.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 November 2017 09: 12 New
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    Specifically, for such conflicts as in Syria, it doesn’t matter at all ... and booking, communications and survivability are a cut above that of the Mi-24. The main problem that was solved was night-time use (IR sensors, radar) and modern avionics with the exchange of information on the situation.
    ATGM-3 generations are good, but not critical for Mi-28
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 18 November 2017 10: 09 New
      +1
      Booking Mi-24 is sufficient for the tasks performed. As well as an armament complex.
      In addition, Mi-24 can take on the suspension: 2 additional tank, 2 block NAR, 4 ATGM.
      Mi-28 does not fulfill such an option.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 November 2017 10: 25 New
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        The Mi28 had tanks at the ends of the wings, the Mi-24 and Cobra armor were not sufficient, which is why they redesigned the layout ... As for the suspensions:
        1. with 4ya blocks NAR Mi-24 fly extremely rarely, and in conditions of mountains and hot climate, never
        2. With the development of optics and target recognition systems, the line moved to 5km. Therefore, they introduced additional anti-tank systems.
        3. with the development of MANPADS and 30mm anti-aircraft guns you will not be allowed to approach the target at 2km (launch NURS from 80mm)
  11. shuravi
    shuravi 18 November 2017 11: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The Mi28 tanks at the ends of the wings, the Mi-24 and Cobra reservations were not sufficient, which is why they redesigned the layout ...


    There are no tanks.



    Regarding pendants:
    1. with 4ya blocks NAR Mi-24 fly extremely rarely, and in conditions of mountains and hot climate, never


    Yeah, tell me.



    If there are only two blocks in the USP conditions, then this is in order to have two free holders for testing the bombing.


    2. With the development of optics and target recognition systems, the line moved to 5km. Therefore, they introduced additional anti-tank systems.


    Well, this is not yet Mi-24 implemented. Or are you not aware that due to the specifics, the main type of target recognition in AA (DIA) is visual?

    3. with the development of MANPADS and 30mm anti-aircraft guns you will not be allowed to approach the target at 2km (launch NURS from 80mm)


    In my opinion, you simply cannot imagine the place of combat helicopters in the conditions of combined arms combat.
    By the way, what did they listen to launching NAR from the cabrio? bully
    http://photo.qip.ru/users/mi-24v/video/v143225743
    e / view /

    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 November 2017 19: 51 New
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      1. Starting NAR with cabling is a high-precision tool?
      2. The radar above the hub observes 25 km and maps and finds armored objects, and the Mi28 exchanges data with other Mi-28s about the targets, respectively, and has the ability to destroy them from the maximum range. Although it should visually detect them.
      3. For operation without anti-tank systems, place 4 rails for S-8
      4. Photos of the Mi-24 are different, but the normal load with normal flight characteristics of the Mi-24 is 2pcs of the NURS unit and 4pcs or 8 pieces (in later versions) ATGMs
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 18 November 2017 20: 01 New
        +1
        1. And when was NAR the exact remedy?
        2. The radar above the hub is primarily a phonite itself over a hundred kilometers. So such a helicopter will be found before the target. In addition, a combat helicopter is not a sphero-horse in a vacuum hunting for abstract tanks, but a means of supporting ground forces. And destroys the goals in the interests of the land explorers, that is, opened by them.
        As for the nearest tactical depth, this is the concern of the Sha.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 November 2017 20: 24 New
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          Yes, and the hunt for tanks is one of their main occupations ... The ATGM ammunition has grown up to 28 pieces on both Apache and Mi-16 .....
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 19 November 2017 09: 48 New
            +1
            Firstly, in tactics such a concept as hunting is completely absent, there is an independent search and destruction of targets in the designated lane or region.
            Secondly, in priority this method is in last place.
            Thirdly, the fact that they increased the number of ATGMs is good, but the fact that this was done by reducing the suspension points negates all the advantages. For example, Mi-28 is unsuitable for covering PSO helicopters in most cases.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 19 November 2017 13: 44 New
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              The main method of breaking through the defense is the offensive of tank formations and infantry fighting vehicles ... (tank divisions and armies) ... Who will stop them? The Jews worked this out in practice during the wars with the Arabs ... Tanks need to resist and also accompany them, destroying dangerous targets for tanks ..... Mi-28 perfectly allows NURSs and cabriages and dives .. There are suspension options for 4 guides for NURSs (without anti-tank systems). The only thing he loses to the Mi-24 is aerodynamics (it is less fast)
              1. shuravi
                shuravi 19 November 2017 17: 12 New
                +1
                Mi-24 can take on the suspension: 2 additional tank, 2 block NAR, 4 ATGM.
                try this suspension option repeat on Mi-28.
                In addition, mi-28 has big problems launching LDCs.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 19 November 2017 22: 11 New
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                  The Mi-28 has no problems with the Nurs, except for the S-8, the S-13 is perfectly launched ...
                  A helicopter worth $ 20 million cannot be sharpened only under NURSy. The target search system and thermal imaging devices and information exchange systems provide other opportunities for hitting targets. as part of ATGMs, HE shells and ODAB shells are also actively used.
                  1. shuravi
                    shuravi 20 November 2017 14: 15 New
                    +1
                    Mi-28 has very big problems when launching the NAR C-8 series. Engines catch exhaust rockets.
                    In addition, a helicopter valued at 20 million dollars cannot be sharpened by only one ATGM.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 20 November 2017 15: 46 New
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                      The Mi-28 is not imprisoned only for ATGMs (it’s just that the% of ATGMs in the BK is increased) and given the new sights they shoot with NURSs, more precisely the Mi-24 ... And Apache (a helicopter for 50-70 million) is just imprisoned for ATGMs and even 70 Nursa Hydra planned to be made manageable.
                      1. shuravi
                        shuravi 20 November 2017 17: 09 New
                        +1
                        Did you personally launch the NAR from a helicopter?
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 November 2017 20: 10 New
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    And you personally let? Difficulties with the launch of the NURS were in the Su-25 ... and the Mi-24 .. but they decided ...
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 20 November 2017 21: 26 New
      +1
      Of course. Therefore, I can say that this is far from an aim. But that the circular dispersion of NAR is very large.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 November 2017 15: 11 New
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        The more you take into account the amendments at launch (shot), the more accurately the projectile will go. Accordingly, a machine that has more sensors and a computer (which will calculate corrections and make adjustments to the sight) will more accurately get there (with the same projectile and guide (barrel). Naturally, there are reasonable limits for the whole uncontrollable ....
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 21 November 2017 21: 29 New
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          So you personally launched, or what?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 November 2017 22: 09 New
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            I didn’t ... but I was dealing with direct fire and not direct ... and amendments.
            1. shuravi
              shuravi 24 November 2017 09: 42 New
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              The fact is that NAR is an areal weapon with all the consequences. And the accuracy of shooting on which sight, the simplest PKI, or sophisticated, does not depend much.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 24 November 2017 16: 02 New
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                At the same time, they write about S-13 and S-24 that they are very accurate - from 2000m they fall into the circle d = 2m ...
                1. shuravi
                  shuravi 24 November 2017 20: 12 New
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                  Something is too accurate. Now too lazy to rummage, but I can tell. I had no business with C-13. As for the C-24, they were used with a remote radio fuse, that is, a blast in the air when it is difficult to evaluate accuracy.
                  As for the C-8, it has in ideal conditions dispersion of 6 meters from a standard range of 2000 m. And when firing from a GP at a range of plus or minus, 20 gives out.
                  And also shooting errors, add air turbulence.
                  But the target covers well in one gulp.