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Russian "big jerk": the feet of the descendants of the samurai

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Russian "big jerk": the feet of the descendants of the samurai



15 November 2017 of the year, 18: 12, Moscow, Leningradsky Railway Station. Before the departure of the high-speed train “Swallow” to Tver, there are still as many 20 minutes, and all the places in it are already taken. The appearance of these beautiful and high-speed trains in just a few years has greatly changed the life of entire cities and districts of the Moscow region. It could not be otherwise.

Klin - Moscow and back: the economy must be economical

I will begin my story with petitions. Residents of the cities of Klin and Solnechnogorsk of the Moscow Region are demanding an increase in the number of high-speed electric trains. They are ready to pay for comfort, if only the authorities provided them with the opportunity to travel regularly to Moscow ...



And I remember the time when skeptics in Russia quite seriously said that the idea of ​​high-speed rail service in Russia was flawed. The rich do not need it, and the poor will save and ride on what is cheaper. But they were wrong ...

People save. But they save their time, and that makes them richer. How it works, I learned, communicating with the residents of Klin, for whom the appearance of the "Swallows" literally turned life. As it was before: 1 hour. 40 minutes there and the same back. At peak hours, everything is chock full. Constant smell of sweat, the homeless and zero comfort. In the morning you will not die, but in the evening you will not rest. Such were the everyday lives of those residents of the city who had previously worked in Moscow. The consequence of this was total fatigue. Children do not see fathers, and wives - husbands. Speaking at the same time about the full life of the language does not turn. Yes, you can bring more money home (about plus 20-30 thousand to make money at home), but what a price it was!

What do we have today? The train from Klin to Moscow is going an hour. Thanks to the developed transport system of Moscow in the center in a maximum in an hour, and, most likely, in half an hour you are already at your workplace. All this pleasure costs 7 500 rubles (a subscription to the train) and approximately 1 500 rubles on the metro. Total 9 000 rubles.



So, travel time is reduced by 1 hour 20 minutes (both ways). Comfort, if you're lucky to take a seat, just heaven and earth. And this gives a minimum of extra 15 thousand rubles per month (minus the difference in the cost of travel). For a resident of a remote city near Moscow, this is a great help.

And many of those who previously preferred to stay at home have drastically changed their way of life. Earnings have become higher, and more opportunities ...

I already hear outraged cries: "Moscow, of course, but Russia is not Moscow." And in this the opponents will be right. But not in a hurry with the findings. It is the high-speed railway communication that can save Russia from this major bias in its social development. What do you think, whose jobs were occupied by residents of the distant suburbs? Yes, it is the residents of Moscow. That is, the imbalance of wages within the region immediately decreased (a resident of Klin began to receive more, and a Muscovite less). And now let's see how it works across the country.

Mobilization from the word "mobility"

First, let's remember the post-war history development of Japan.

At the beginning of 1960's, everything was the same as in Russia today. A poor country in general, with a sharp distortion of incomes of the population of the capital and suburbs. The industry experienced its devastation in 1945. Life after the terrible 1940-s entered its own rut and became much better, but still up to the advanced America at that time and much faster than rising from the ruins of Europe, Japan was oh how far. The government of the country understood that without a qualitative breakthrough it would be impossible to catch up with them ...

October 1 The 1964 of the year from the Tokyo railway station entered the first flight of the new Shinkansen high-speed train. The speed on the way reached 140 km / h, and in Osaka it arrived four hours later, having covered 552,6 kilometer during this time.



This was a real logistic breakthrough for its time. It was high-speed trains that made distances for residents of the Japanese islands less and less significant every year. And their lives began to change rapidly. Today, Japan has long forgotten the time when the country had a well-fed capital and periphery, where there is no “life,” like outside the Moscow Ring Road. The transition to high speeds not only made a great contribution to the development of the Japanese economy as a whole, but also ensured the involvement of virtually the entire population of the country in the new way of life. It is no coincidence that the famous Japanese economic breakthrough began in these years. It always requires mobilization of resources, and therefore mobility.

“Mobilization” is derived from the French word mobilization, “appeal to movable property; mobilization ”, further from ch. mobilizer - “to convert movable property; mobilization ”, further from ch. mobile - “movable, movable”, from mobilis - “movable, lightweight; transient ”, then from movēre -“ to move ”, from Pro-Indo-European * meue-.

If we recall the history of the Stalinist breakthrough, we will see that in many respects it was provided with mass construction and modernization of roads. The consequence is a sharp increase in population mobility.



You can not make a breakthrough, using only the resources of 20-30% of the population or concentrating it to the maximum in one or several cities. As history has shown, in the first case there will be no breakthrough, and in the second we get a lot of social problems associated with overpopulation of some regions and desertion of others.

The rapid increase in population mobility (as we already see in local examples) will lead to a dramatic change in the quality of life of the population. Growing motivation and opportunities. Simple arithmetic tells us that from 150 million people, finding 1000 geniuses is easier than from 50 million.

Involving many times more people into a new way of life, we get a cumulative effect throughout the economy, as their combined creative and mental potentials will not only contribute to the linear growth of economic performance, but also, intersecting and complementing each other, will have a cumulative growth effect.

It will take another 10-15 years, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia. They will connect the main regions of the country and breathe new life throughout. From them, like the tentacles of an octopus, will appear a network of highways. Every year, an increasing part of the Russian population will be drawn into the new economic order and thus create an additional growth factor. You see, after twenty years, the high-speed road project from Moscow to Irkutsk costing some 22 billion dollars (in 2013 prices of the year) will become a reality.



But by that time, no one else would be surprised by projects similar to the construction of the Eurasia transport corridor, which is likely to be built ten years earlier.

In the country, a new generation will grow up, which will study the history of the next big breakthrough in Russia. Say fiction? Look at the window, the foundation of this "fiction" is laid today ...
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  1. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 16 November 2017 15: 22 New
    +9
    All this pleasure costs 7 500 rubles (subscription for the train) and approximately 1 500 rubles on the subway. Total 9 000 rubles.

    For Moscow, maybe normal ..)
    1. Vend
      Vend 16 November 2017 15: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      All this pleasure costs 7 500 rubles (subscription for the train) and approximately 1 500 rubles on the subway. Total 9 000 rubles.

      For Moscow, maybe normal ..)

      Not expensive.
      1. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 21: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        Not expensive.

        For Vend, it’s definitely a little expensive, because you think that Moscow is not Russia, and it is not for Russians.
        1. Vend
          Vend 17 November 2017 10: 01 New
          +5
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          Quote: Wend
          Not expensive.

          For Vend, it’s definitely a little expensive, because you think that Moscow is not Russia, and it is not for Russians.

          Hello pro-Western Troll! Well, for you it may not be expensive, but for me a resident of the capital is a little expensive.
          1. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 10: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            but for me a resident of the capital is a little expensive.

            So a resident of Moscow cannot write, well, if you are only a migrant worker from Ukrainians, then everything is correct.
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                1. Vend
                  Vend 17 November 2017 15: 03 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  Quote: Wend
                  You will never understand Russia, you are divorced from it

                  Well, yes, how can I, a Russian by nationality, who was born in Moscow and lives here now, understand a Russian who is fastest and not a Russian at all, but just a Soviet man, FIG knows what god of a forgotten outskirts, offended by the whole world for some Zakharova does not want to consider him a Russian, although he claims that he has a Russian spirit, but for some reason he does not have a certificate.

                  How many pathetics laughing how long have you been composing the answer laughing too many slogans. and unsubstantiated conclusions. Well, right across the State Department. laughing
                  1. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 20: 43 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Wend
                    How many pathos did you write the answer for a long time

                    Characters like you always surprise me ....
                    Is that what you all need from Russia and the Russians?
                    Do you dream of climbing up your neck again?
                    Will not work.
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 20 November 2017 11: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      Quote: Wend
                      How many pathos did you write the answer for a long time

                      Characters like you always surprise me ....
                      Is that what you all need from Russia and the Russians?
                      Do you dream of climbing up your neck again?
                      Will not work.

                      Even if someone wanted to climb on the neck, although this is only your imagination, then of course it will not work. The place is already taken by people like you laughing
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 November 2017 15: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  but for some reason does not have a certificate.

                  Where will such a certificate be given? Paprashu aden thing.
                3. Dedall
                  Dedall 18 November 2017 00: 04 New
                  +3
                  Moscow is a cancerous tumor in the decay stage that takes away strength from the whole country. As for your person, then any psychiatrist, having read what is written, make a diagnosis.
                4. a housewife
                  a housewife 18 November 2017 00: 52 New
                  +4
                  And you come to us, dear little man from the capital, in this very figs knows which outskirts, also grab a note that you have a Russian spirit. And here we are in place for you, little girl, we’ll explain everything.
      2. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 17 November 2017 07: 08 New
        +5
        yes, not expensive ....
        Residents of the cities of Klin and Solnechnogorsk, Moscow Region, demand an increase in the number of high-speed trains.

        but isn’t it more logical to organize jobs in Solnechnogorsk and Klin? ....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 07: 42 New
          18
          Quote: DanSabaka
          Isn't it more logical to organize jobs in Solnechnogorsk and Klin?

          Jobs don't "organize," you see. They are either there or they are not.
          Why are there more of them in Moscow than in Klin? Yes Easy...
          Here I work with a dozen offices. From Internet providers and suppliers of various consumables - through software offices (there are many of them) to offices that repair / configure equipment.
          All these offices "live" in Moscow, mind you.
          Now - everything is simple. I called - after an hour or two you have a representative of the "metalworkers" (for example), set up, fixed, left.
          And how will he go to Klin ?? Teleportation was not invented for the time being, but to lose a day for me ... well, it will cost a lot of money to my office.
          That's why the office "lives" also in Moscow ... following the example of others, others.
          Complicated? wink
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 18 November 2017 19: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack

            All these offices "live" in Moscow, mind you.
            Now - everything is simple. I called - after an hour or two you have a representative of the "metalworkers" (for example), set up, fixed, left.
            Complicated? wink


            Really?
            Those. For example, in Samara, Togliatti there are absolutely, absolutely no iron specialists?
            Or are they not in Klin or in Podolsk?
            Yes, you just can’t find them, because you can just google and select on the first pages ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 20: 14 New
              +9
              Quote: ZVO
              Those. For example, in Samara, Togliatti there are absolutely, absolutely no iron specialists?

              You didn’t even specify what specific hardware is meant, and you have already climbed into battle.
              This is ... reckless wink
              Quote: ZVO
              For example, in Samara, Togliatti there are absolutely, absolutely no iron specialists? Or are they not in Klin or in Podolsk?

              Samara and Togliatti are far from me. In Klin and Podolsk, perhaps, something is ... but certainly not all, I need to work.
              There, you see, not only "metalworkers", there are many different things request
              Quote: ZVO
              you cannot find them, because you can just google and select on the first pages ...

              Your opinion is very important for me ... CALL ... I won’t say which wassat
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 18 November 2017 22: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack

                Your opinion is very important for me ... CALL ... I won’t say which wassat


                Well, tell a friend of the world what kind of software and hardware you were involved in, and even “mysterious” - if you know such a term ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 November 2017 22: 34 New
                  +9
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Well, tell me a friend

                  Not a friend. Not sit. And not ham ... those, it's not worth it.
                  Quote: ZVO
                  ... what kind of software and hardware ...

                  EPP and the whole strapping. From cash registers and tablets, through scanners and label printers ... a lot, in short, all sorts of different things.
                  From software - well, with a payment system, our ERP-u recently became friends. Assist is there, have not heard ... and?
                  Its integration with websites (shops, yes).
                  And all the rest is such, not to mention the "improvements" of the EPP itself - it is, unfortunately, open source, and they use it to the full ... is not always reasonable, by the way.
                  Enough for now? wink
                  PS: "term" unfamiliar, re-translate into Russian request
          2. michey
            michey 20 November 2017 06: 04 New
            0
            Do not organize? This is something new. If you are not in the know - the construction of factories, factories, power plants, mines - this is the organization of jobs.
        2. Manul
          Manul 20 November 2017 21: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: DanSabaka
          but isn’t it more logical to organize jobs in Solnechnogorsk and Klin? ....

          USSR organized. Moscow - will not. I usually even try to uproot people from dislike of Moscow, but in terms of pulling everything that can bring income to Moscow, taking everything that’s not pinned from the regions (I even have a dining room in the state office and then went under Moscow time), ministers and their mafia Of course they are completely overgrown. And the edges do not see. Places themselves are organized, if you give them the ground. But the grabbing of all possible resources can no longer be stopped. The darkest is not up to it.
          ZY, "Swallow" - a wonderful train, to Vyborg and to Roshchino wound. Story.
      3. Nick
        Nick 17 November 2017 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        Not expensive

        If the difference in salary in 20-30 thousand, at home and in Moscow, then there is a direct economic sense to spend 9000 on travel.
    2. Yurasumy
      16 November 2017 16: 29 New
      +6
      For a resident of Moscow region, the difference pays off.
      1. stas
        stas 16 November 2017 19: 54 New
        13
        Or it might be better to resettle Moscow throughout Russia. And then beyond the Urals, life stopped.
        1. Yurasumy
          16 November 2017 22: 19 New
          +6
          The article is just the opposite. Moscow and Moscow region are given as an example, that the scheme works and that’s it.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 22 New
            22
            The article is given as an example of the fact that under capitalism work is only in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Hence, people driven to despair are ready in all seriousness to go to work one way for 3-4 hours for any grandmother. Thanks to the capitalists.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 23: 31 New
              15
              Quote: yurasumy
              The article is just the opposite. Moscow and Moscow region are given as an example, that the scheme works and that's it

              Quote: cast iron
              The article is given as an example of the fact that under capitalism there is work only in Moscow and St. Petersburg

              As the saying goes, "teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup."
              You explain to the author of the article (which the Stopuds did not read) that he wrote?
              Strongly alien negative
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 44 New
                +3
                Drink pills. I did not address the author. And he made parallel conclusions that suggest themselves from the article.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 23: 52 New
                  10
                  Quote: cast iron
                  I did not contact the author

                  But they answered him, sadly request
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Drink pills

                  Do not spray. You commented on a tuevsky pile of comments a la in 15 minutes
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Vote further for the capitalists - and you will go to work in Moscow

                  Quote: cast iron
                  Vote further for the capitalists and do not rock the boat.

                  Etc.
                  Go on, otherwise you will be left without a bumper in the morning laughing
                  1. cast iron
                    cast iron 17 November 2017 00: 00 New
                    +3
                    I have not visited the site for a long time. It was necessary to remind commentators bronzed because of what these or those events in the country of equal opportunities occur.
            2. your1970
              your1970 17 November 2017 16: 07 New
              +1
              the average American rides about 120 miles a day to work — and this is absolutely normal. A friend studied there — he said that he traveled 180 miles one way to work part-time (paid normally)
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 26 November 2017 02: 52 New
                +1
                I’m talking about this. Capitalism is not for the comfort of people. He is for the comfort of RICH people.
            3. Nick
              Nick 17 November 2017 23: 51 New
              +3
              Quote: cast iron
              under capitalism, work is only in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Hence, desperate people are ready to seriously go to work one way at 3-4 hours for any grandmother

              Yes, this is a skew, but from the point of view of the capitalist, it can be capitalized by creating jobs in the provinces where labor resources are cheaper and the infrastructure has been available since Soviet times, and as a rule it is cheaper than Moscow.
          2. ZVO
            ZVO 18 November 2017 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: yurasumy
            The article is just the opposite. Moscow and Moscow region are given as an example, that the scheme works and that’s it.


            You immediately have the wrong assumptions and it is them that you begin to develop and prove ...
            From an initially wrong action.
            The scheme is not self-developing - but "self-enforcing" ... Such a neologism.
    3. Strashila
      Strashila 16 November 2017 20: 11 New
      +6
      The point is different ... if before the employee had to rent a house in Moscow and spend time on the road inside the city and additionally even less money on transport ... now he spends the same time on the way to work, but ... he drives home and doesn’t rent a house .. maybe he didn’t win for the money ... but the family won.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 21: 08 New
        11
        Quote: Strashila
        if before the employee had to rent housing in Moscow

        Do you imagine the cost of this pleasure, in general?
        Quote: Strashila
        maybe he didn’t win for money

        Definitely won.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 November 2017 23: 58 New
          +6
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Definitely won.

          This is 25 km for you to Moscow, and 200 with a hook for us.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 00: 05 New
            11
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            This is for you 25 km to Moscow., And for us - 200 with a hook

            My sympathies ... I welcome, by the way, with the release of you wink
            I mean that no + 25-30 kilo rubles to the salary will not block the rental of housing in Moscow, unfortunately.
            My "20 km from the capital" removable odnushka (really, not what they want, but what you can rent for) starts at 15 a month. Plus a communal apartment on top, total 20.
            In Moscow ... I don’t even know how, now, a friend takes off a kopeck piece in a socket for a family, has been taking pictures for 10 years, it was 25 a month without a communal apartment a couple of years ago. And then he still told me that it was "a little bit."
            And this is not the center, but Medvedkovo at all.
            Like this request
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 November 2017 00: 17 New
              +7
              Thank you, it was boring. Full of friends in Moscow work, rent for a few people, like herrings in a barrel. Well, something like this. I am not against high-speed trains, but you can’t go to work for long distances every day.
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 17 November 2017 18: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                but you won’t go to work long distances every day.


                I’ve endured trips to Moscow in 2004 not for a full year, about 11 months ... And - died ...
                For long trips and work - health is not poor, you need ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 November 2017 18: 13 New
                  +4
                  My neighbor became disabled after several years of travel. And it was about 45.
      2. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 21: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Strashila
        The essence is different ...

        This is not the only point.
        The article is just an example.
        in fact, Swallows not only go to Tver and Klin, it's not far away.
        They are beyond 500 km. fly, for example in Kursk.
        And not only Swallows, for example, I recently had to do business in Kursk and vice versa. I don’t remember exactly how many there, but it’s less than six hours, but on the contrary - 5h.15 minutes to Moscow!
        1. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan 17 November 2017 09: 08 New
          +1
          And not only Swallows, for example, I recently had to do business in Kursk and vice versa. I don’t remember exactly how many there, but it’s less than six hours, but on the contrary - 5h.15 minutes to Moscow!

          I'm still waiting for at least one branch of the yesterday's generation to appear in the Russian Federation, where something will fly at least 240km / h. I’m afraid to dream of such a miracle of engineering gods as TGV (574 / h in a test run) ... - in comparison with it, all that we ride is Estonian snails.
          1. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 20: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            I'm all waiting

            But why?
            In Russia, we have such a concept - night trains.
            He sat down in the evening, went to bed, woke up in the morning already in place!
            1. michey
              michey 20 November 2017 06: 07 New
              +1
              Really - why did you come up with a speed message? Here. They don’t know that you can sleep at night. And yet - imagine - there is such a thing as airplanes! No to rest on the train for several days - they fly for some reason!
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 18 November 2017 13: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            I'm still waiting for at least one branch of the yesterday's generation to appear in the Russian Federation, where something will fly at least 240km / h. I’m afraid to dream of such a miracle of gods-engineers as TGV (574 / h in a test run) ...

            I had to travel as a passenger on the route Paris-Lille-Dunkirk.
            Impressions.
            Yes. Quickly. The maximum speed is 200 km / h. The total cost of tickets in the 2 class was about 60 euros. Comfort? Not better than ours. The cars will be narrower - the dimensions of the rolling stock are smaller than ours.
            The Japanese have faster trains.
            Will we compare the infrastructure and the length of the railway lines of Japan, France and Russia?
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 21 November 2017 07: 48 New
              0
              Maximum speed - 200 km / h.

              This TGV is just a snail crawl. Alas, the local ones simply can’t decide to remove the restrictions on speed limits + some of the routes do not go along dedicated lines and ordinary trains block the ability to "unlock potential" in such segments.

              However, the process is underway, speeds are gradually increasing allowed.

              Oh yeah, with their population density, the “green” ones are also fussing - they say they frighten off the gophers by the noise of gophers and disturb people. But in the Russian Federation there are still no such problems.

              Japanese trains are generally slower; they are technologically oddly more backward. Except maybe the latest prototypes. By the way, it surprised me very much - on wheels, the trains could be made much more efficient than on a magnetic suspension. The Japanese Muggle has just begun to get ahead of the TGV.
        2. Nick
          Nick 17 November 2017 23: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          They are beyond 500 km. fly, for example in Kursk.
          And not only Swallows, for example, I recently had to do business in Kursk and vice versa. I don’t remember exactly how many there, but it’s less than six hours, but on the contrary - 5h.15 minutes to Moscow!

          Ticket price and travel time will not allow Kursk residents to get to work in Moscow every day. Even on swallows ... Only teleportation ... lol
        3. a housewife
          a housewife 18 November 2017 01: 02 New
          +5
          That is, should the Swallows be brought to your capital from Kursk to your capital? What are you talking about? You, a Muscovite, have a dream — you got on a train in the evening, in the morning - again - Sochi, the sea! Accommodation and work in your place in Moscow, weekend at the resort. And here it’s not like a “swallow” - the usual electric train was closed. And for local villages, too, there is no work at home, we went to the city. And the tourists! They are now also in difficulty. And polyclinics, hospitals, institutions - as you want, so get there. Buses run, yes. Old man. Heat, shaking, gasoline stinks. But it is not good in the city with work. And you sit there in Moscow and despise all the "outskirts forgotten by God." Business to the fullest!
      3. cast iron
        cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 25 New
        +7
        USE graduates amaze with their analytical and mathematical abilities. With what fright does a resident of the Moscow region go to Moscow to a rented apartment if he does not have the opportunity to rent an empty (if there is no family) apartment in the region? People go to Moscow for work 2-4 hours, because in the cities of the Moscow region there is neither work nor decent pay.
    4. Awaz
      Awaz 16 November 2017 20: 56 New
      +3
      even in the hinterland, if it is possible to earn more, then an hour's drive to work and back for that kind of money pays off. It’s not clear everywhere, but I have such an experience. 5 thousand children go to the road. 20 thousand more salary
    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan 17 November 2017 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      All this pleasure costs 7 500 rubles (subscription for the train) and approximately 1 500 rubles on the subway. Total 9 000 rubles.

      For Moscow, maybe normal ..)

      The conversation is that it is necessary for people! Which and used to gobut they spent a lot of time on it, now less ... But the fact that everyone has become more comfortable ...
      But seriously, I’m very happy, I’m constantly riding in St. Petersburg-Petrozavodsk, such a charm, I’m traveling by car twice as long, you’re arriving a little warm, there’s no energy, we’ll sleep off another day! And on a swallow you’re sitting in your computer watching movies, tired of it, walked around for a walk, drank some coffee, and if the company is good, then ... drinks

      1. su76a2
        su76a2 20 November 2017 17: 01 New
        0
        By car 2 times longer ?? What is this car that travels 450 km for 10 hours ??? (the train travels at five minutes to five)
    6. Santjaga_Garka
      Santjaga_Garka 17 November 2017 15: 32 New
      +1
      So the question is that you go to Moscow to earn money and the salary there is much higher, but you do not spend so much on travel, and time too.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 20 November 2017 17: 20 New
        0
        The fact that people go to work on any conditions, I can understand, but I can not understand the employers who hire such people!

        After all, these poor people go in the morning in crazy traffic jams and a crush, come to work already exhausted by riding, sweaty and dirty.
        After which, half a day rest at work or drive the marriage.
        This still causes a huge staff turnover.

        And this ring is full of crap, a transplant kills all its charms, which is performed very poorly.
    7. horhe48
      horhe48 18 November 2017 08: 33 New
      +2
      However, Russia is not only not Moscow, but not Japan either. There are other distances and problems too. It is necessary to develop infrastructure. The country here is far behind the so-called "developed countries." the highways were built under the tsar-priests of the CPSU (BAM). For the last quarter century, little has been done in this regard. Apart from the establishment of high-speed traffic from Moscow to St. Petersburg and Nizhny, there is probably nothing to remember. Well, except that the military built a piece of road for trains they didn’t go south through the very uncovered Ukraine. One gets the impression that this is not just another “blunder” of our purely liberal government, but a focused line. Russia flies on Boeing and Airbus, which God knows where it is registered, high-speed trains made in Germany, etc. What it can lead to is unclear unless to those who make decisions with us. If during the next round of the so-called sanctions we are denied spare parts, the country will get up. Airplanes and high-speed trains are bought for currency, and tickets are sold for rubles. And even they are from our non-Moscow people in a large deficit and have in recent years 4 re tendency to depreciate. Therefore, domestic prices for air travel are higher than foreign flights (due to competition with foreign airlines.) Therefore, the construction of high-speed lines alone will not be enough for us. Complex and radical measures are needed. Will they only be here? Under the new budget for the next three years they are not visible.
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 21 November 2017 07: 54 New
        0
        Actually, in the Far East, they made a complete reconstruction and laid another rut along the entire length. The work was titanic there. They did it very quickly.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 November 2017 15: 22 New
    13
    Traveled very much. To Nizhny in 4 hours, Vladimir - 1.5! Business trip - in one day.
    A necessary, very necessary thing.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 16 November 2017 17: 44 New
      +2
      Well, "Swallow" is not a high-speed message. 110 km.h ... The bus stops are fewer and faster. Although I don’t argue, it’s convenient. There’s just no chair on this train.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Traveled very much. To Nizhny in 4 hours, Vladimir - 1.5! Business trip - in one day.
      A necessary, very necessary thing.
      1. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 21: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Just not the seats on this train.

        I agree.
        If far, then the chairs are not gold. Designed for short distances.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 26 New
          0
          What do you want? Morlocks must know their place in the capitalist country of "equal" opportunities))))
        2. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan 17 November 2017 09: 13 New
          +2
          Designed for short distances.

          For TGV and 500km, the distance is just a sneeze (270-320km / h is quiet, 460-520km / h "drowns"). We need these trains, not swallows :(

          PS I remember from the assurances of the concern that they will "make" 800 km / h by this train. But while the legislators of the countries / the European Union are not going to take the risks of "this."
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 17 November 2017 23: 12 New
            0
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            For TGV and 500km distance - it's just a sneeze

            Maybe for TGV it’s a sneeze, but for the state to build a 500 km branch - how to fly to the moon, or do you think that they go by regular railways?
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 21 November 2017 07: 55 New
              0
              that they ride on regular railways

              You will not believe...
              It’s clear that they don’t spar on segments of ordinary railway. But "there" is quite a common thing to start TGV on common branches.

              And yes, I don’t know what’s about 500km, but BAM is completely redone (even finished in fact, EMNIP)
  3. BAI
    BAI 16 November 2017 15: 38 New
    +7
    But trains are an sanctioned product, Siemens. Today is, but not tomorrow.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 16 November 2017 15: 43 New
      10
      "Swallow"? Yah! We collect. And they make all the equipment - also with us ... Not everything is so "sad" ...
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 18: 27 New
        14
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        "Swallow"? Yah! We collect.

        Gather from us in Verkhnyaya Pyshma (this is the satellite city of Yekaterinburg in which I live), but based on the Siemens Desiro platform and under a German license.
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And they make all the equipment - also with us ... Not everything is so "sad" ...

        Only 62% of the components are produced in Russia, plans to bring up to 80%, no more ...
        In general, the article resembles a lecture by Ostap Bender at the Vasyukovsky Chess Club ...
        And what is this futuristic composition in the first picture? Here it is, "Swallow":
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 16 November 2017 21: 19 New
          +1
          Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia. They will connect the main regions of the country and breathe new life throughout its entirety.

          New Vasyuki

          was Vice Prime Minister Bolshakov in 1996.
          at EBN - here is New Vasyuki
          built 1 pit near the Moscow train station in St. Petersburg. not enough for more.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 27 New
            0
            Too long. In Japan, in 10-15 years, a new one will be rebuilt.
            1. your1970
              your1970 17 November 2017 16: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: cast iron
              Too long. In Japan, in 10-15 years, a new one will be rebuilt.
              -we would have their distance, we would have walked ...
              we have 300 km to the regional center, so purely symbolic - taxi drivers in three(!!!) times a day manage to go
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 26 November 2017 02: 53 New
                0
                We would need their technology and quality control by the executive branch - there would be no price.
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 16 November 2017 15: 45 New
    10
    Quote: Y. Podolyaka
    How it works, I found out by talking with the residents of Klin, for whom the appearance of "Swallows" literally turned their lives around. As it was before: 1 hour. 40 minutes there and as many back. During peak hours, everything is jam-packed. The constant smell of sweat, homeless people and zero comfort. You won’t finish it in the morning, and you won’t have a rest in the evening.

    As a resident of the Wedge I confirm - the author verbs the truth. The closer to death, the time becomes more expensive than money.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 27 New
      +1
      Vote further for the capitalists - you will go to work in Moscow.
  5. Galleon
    Galleon 16 November 2017 16: 20 New
    +3
    A very pleasant article with his excursion into history and his optimism. Smiled. Thanks to the author for the high spirits! Indeed, people are very sensitive to the increasing speed of trains and vote for them with their ruble. Who knows, maybe in 20 years from Moscow to Vladik it will be possible to get there in 4 days?
    1. candidate
      candidate 16 November 2017 22: 12 New
      0
      You are right, it can be faster at a speed of 500 km / h. One of such megaprojects is magnetic levitation transport. True, the existing Muggle technologies are very expensive, unprofitable, as is the Russian Muggle being pushed now. True, there is a way to correct the current state of affairs - a new technology, innovative. But as always: some have ideas, others have opportunities. The point is small: you just need to show flexibility and abandon lobbying for non-innovative technologies.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 29 New
        +2
        Enough for areas of high-speed trains with a communication speed of 250-300km / h. It will be a real breakthrough. The whole region will go to the regional center and collapse will come))) This is a joke. But in every joke ...
  6. kig
    kig 16 November 2017 16: 25 New
    +7
    Now we need to configure supersonic aircraft so that residents of even more remote areas have time to work in Moscow.
    1. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 21: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: kig
      Now we need to configure supersonic aircraft so that residents of even more remote areas have time to work in Moscow.

      What a good idea)
      A personal question - why don't you love Moscow?
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 16 November 2017 23: 18 New
        +8
        In Moscow, Russian is less and less. And believe the Russians there is something to dislike the capital.
        1. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 09: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: Kent0001
          And believe the Russians there is something to dislike the capital.

          Russians may have something to not love Moscow for, but Russians are not affected.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 18 November 2017 01: 08 New
            +4
            Tell me, why do you not love your country? Ah, yes - you do not live in it, but in Moscow. And all Russians should love Moscow, although she does not love them.
      2. cast iron
        cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 30 New
        +6
        And why love Moscow? Because all the ghouls in the Kremlin have gathered and increase taxes every half year? )))

        And why do you not like the inhabitants of remote areas? Do you think they are in a buzz for 100-150km to work?
      3. kig
        kig 17 November 2017 03: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        why don't you love Moscow

        how can i love her or vice versa if i don't live in her? This is just irony.
        1. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 09: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: kig
          if i don't live in it

          You do not live in Moscow, but you roam ...
          1. kig
            kig 17 November 2017 15: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            You do not live in Moscow, but


            oh, okay, I'll put it on the shelves. I mean the situation when the residents of the city of Klin, on a modern bullet train, rush to the capital to work. And this, it seems, is a distance of 70-80 kilometers. People from Artem go to work in Vladivostok too, and also by train (train), which is not so super-duper. In Artem, jobs are not enough, that's for sure. Apparently, in Klin too. Further: it may very well be that the inhabitants of many remote cities would not refuse to look for work in the capital, but the distance is such that such an attempt does not make sense. Next: why not build airplanes? Next .... continue on your own.
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 20: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: kig
              Next .... continue on your own.

              What is there to continue?
              Judging by your opus, if this is of course all true, then Artyom has an excess of working hands.
              But why would they fly to Moscow to work?
              Nearby, for example, there is the Big Stone, let them move there, there just the working hands of sensible people are required, and they pay, and the work is interesting.
              Two in one!
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 18 November 2017 01: 05 New
      +1
      To listen - "come along here"?
  7. Greenwood
    Greenwood 16 November 2017 16: 27 New
    +5
    It will take another 10-15 years, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia. They will connect the main regions of the country and breathe new life throughout. From them, like the tentacles of an octopus, will appear a network of highways. Every year, an increasing part of the Russian population will be drawn into the new economic order and thus create an additional growth factor. You see, after twenty years, the high-speed road project from Moscow to Irkutsk costing some 22 billion dollars (in 2013 prices of the year) will become a reality.
    And then Ostap suffered ....
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 16 November 2017 16: 55 New
      +1
      Yeah, this is sad. Meanwhile, in Russia ..
      Moscow, November 16 - "Vesti.Ekonomika". Russia has no money left to pay pensions, said Alexei Kudrin, head of the Center for Strategic Research (CSR). In his opinion, there is only one way out - to raise the retirement age in Russia.
      More details: http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/93860
      The head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina said that easing monetary policy could poison the emerging economic recovery. It is reported by RIA Novosti .https: //www.gazeta.ru/business/news/201
      7/11/16 / n_10824704.shtml
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 November 2017 20: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: vladimirvn
        In his opinion, there is only one way out - to raise the retirement age in Russia.

        The way out is to raise the retirement age for the childless.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 16 November 2017 21: 22 New
          +9
          With such logic, you need such a neck and a yarn! I, whom God did not give children, will work until seventy, and my hands as a guide, who has spawned 2 from two women, sits at work, picks his finger in his nose, at 45 a senior citizen? To Rhea !!! am
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 16 November 2017 21: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            With such logic, you need such a neck and a yarn! I, whom God did not give children, will work until seventy, and my hands as a guide, who has spawned 2 from two women, sits at work, picks his finger in his nose, at 45 a senior citizen? To Rhea !!!

            You see, dear Vyacheslav, our children support us in old age, the pension system takes money from workers and gives it to pensioners, your manager did the right thing - he secured his old age, and you worked for up to seventy years, but you won't have anyone to support in old age.
            Everything works something like this, albeit impersonal. Fewer children - equally - fewer pensions. When we work, we ensure the old age of our parents.
            So it’s you in the rain - for not giving birth, not raising. Your "God did not give children" is an excuse for irresponsible loafers.
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                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 16 November 2017 21: 51 New
                  +5
                  I repeat my question again! And by the way, current pensioners just have 2 or more children! so pass by! And the last one. Your children do not list the way to the FIU, but to your account! You are our sole!
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 16 November 2017 21: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    And by the way, current pensioners just have 2 or more children! so pass by!

                    It’s not true they don’t have, besides two children are not enough. Here the ratio of pensioners and people of working age matters.
                    Quote: sabakina
                    And the last one. Your children do not list the way to the FIU, but to your account! You are our sole!

                    I did not invent the system, but I obey it. I repeat once again if it didn’t reach you - this is how the system works regardless of my attitude to it.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 16 November 2017 21: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Setrac
                  I say how the system works without reference to emotions. The fact that now the pension system is slipping is the fault of the current pensioners, who at one time did not "give birth" to children.

                  But what for then it is generally needed, this system? Let the children directly contain their parents, without a bunch of any bureaucrats from the FIU.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 16 November 2017 21: 58 New
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    But what for then it is generally needed, this system? Let the children directly contain their parents, without a bunch of any bureaucrats.

                    Quote: sabakina
                    Your children do not list the way to the FIU, but to your account!

                    The right questions, that’s how it should be - because it’s not enough to grow up, you still have to raise it — so that the children don’t abandon you in old age.
                    The pension system and the social protection system are currently the main obstacle to our economy, and the fact that they are state-sponsored abuse.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 16 November 2017 22: 05 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Setrac
                      that is how it should be - because it’s not enough to grow up, you still need to raise it - so that the children do not abandon you in old age.

                      With this logic, we do not need education, medicine, or anything at all. The market will ruin everything.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 16 November 2017 22: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        With this logic, we do not need education, medicine, or anything at all. The market will ruin everything.

                        It was about the pension system, what is the distortion of?
                    2. goblin xnumx
                      goblin xnumx 20 November 2017 23: 11 New
                      0
                      they didn’t have to drive young people like cattle to slaughter in all conflicts and don’t solder poison in villages; they don’t have enough money ... they don’t have enough brains and conscience
                  2. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 17 November 2017 10: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    But what for then it is generally needed, this system? Let the children directly contain their parents, without a bunch of any bureaucrats from the FIU.


                    in principle, you are talking about the need for a state apparatus.
                    this can be agreed upon before calls for anarchy. and when she arrives, it’s not up to retirement for the elderly, there will be little food for the young.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 November 2017 10: 39 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Maki Avellevich
                      in principle, you are talking about the need for a state apparatus.

                      This is not me saying Sethrack is hinting at it.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac 17 November 2017 22: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Maki Avellevich
                      in principle, you are talking about the need for a state apparatus.

                      There is no need to draw global conclusions from particular questions.
                3. antivirus
                  antivirus 17 November 2017 08: 05 New
                  0
                  the system does not work.
                  feeding trough yes.
                  you yourself feel.
                  "I will kiss you, then, if you want ..."
                  2 children - small and 3 small, and regional distortions cannot be corrected by anything ..
            2. cast iron
              cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 32 New
              +3
              To go nuts, it turns out that children are taken to the elderly)))) You have powerful analytical skills. And why do we need production, sale of resources and science? Contain oligarchs and officials? On the old people no longer?
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: cast iron
                To go nuts, it turns out that children are taken to the elderly)))) You have powerful analytical skills.

                This is your alternative analytical ability, they’re taken away from workers to give them to pensioners, in what kind of “spaces” did you see that they “took away from children” - this is unknown to me.
                Quote: cast iron
                And why do we need production, sale of resources

                This is the work of working citizens.
                Quote: cast iron
                Contain oligarchs and officials? On the old people no longer?

                Here, in order not to contain an army of officials, it is necessary to remove the gasket in the form of a state between children and parents.
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 49 New
                  +1
                  Children already supported their parents according to your scheme - all the centuries of the slave system, feudalism and capitalism, right up to the first half of the 20th century. This practice did not lead to any breakthroughs in the social sphere.
                  In fact, 950 trillion in contributions to the FIU is just 15 billion dollars. Zilch for a country with resources such as Russia. Where do the rest of the money go? The stump is clear where.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 54 New
                    +1
                    Quote: cast iron
                    Children already supported their parents according to your scheme - all the centuries of the slave system, feudalism and capitalism, right up to the first half of the 20th century.

                    In your slave system won the pension system?
                    Quote: cast iron
                    This practice did not lead to any breakthroughs in the social sphere.

                    People bred and multiplied. It was then that there were breakthroughs, there are no breakthroughs now with a developed pension and social system.
                    Quote: cast iron
                    The stump is clear where.

                    Well, if you, a foreigner, clear the stump, so tell
                    Quote: cast iron
                    Where do the rest of the money go?
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 17 November 2017 09: 17 New
                    +3
                    Where do the rest of the money go? For everything else -
                2. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 17 November 2017 10: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Here, in order not to contain an army of officials, it is necessary to remove the gasket in the form of a state between children and parents.


                  It is tempting, but who will organize the work of people, protect the system from other, hungry masses?
                  we do not live a hundred individuals.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 17 November 2017 23: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Maki Avellevich
                    It is tempting, but who will organize the work of people, protect the system from other, hungry masses?

                    We are only talking about the pension system, and even the current one will, but we must take into account not only the seniority, but also the results of fatherhood (motherhood).
    2. Yurasumy
      16 November 2017 17: 00 New
      0
      Actually this project is already being discussed. Moreover, with the introduction of Eurasia, a significant part of it will already be built.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 11: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: yurasumy
        Actually this project is already being discussed. Moreover, with the introduction of Eurasia, a significant part of it will already be built.

        Chot, you're kind of late. Lekuh about this three months ago, as far as I remember, unsubscribed. And somehow they did not mention at all that there were difficulties with financing the Moscow-Kazan High-Speed ​​Railway and now it is gradually starting to turn into Moksva-Vladimir. Although, yes, for a propaganda article these are too inconvenient facts.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 16 November 2017 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      And then Ostap suffered ....

      Well, how can one not bear it if a mentally limited author compares distances in Russia and Japan, if he (the author is alternatively smart) did not notice - Russia is somewhat larger than Japan.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 33 New
        0
        What is the bad idea to develop in the areas of high-speed railways?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 November 2017 23: 46 New
          0
          Quote: cast iron
          What is the bad idea to develop in the areas of high-speed railways?

          The fact that in Russia is an order of magnitude greater than the distance between cities. Which means longer track lengths, from which a large ticket price comes from. To "follow in the footsteps of the samurai" our trains must be worn like jet fighters.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 24 November 2017 04: 30 New
            0
            AND! Well then, everything is in order! We just don’t need to build and develop anything))) Then the stupid Bolsheviks developed the railway network — stupid, after all. Whether business is we-capitalists. Don’t make us roads - the distances are huge))))
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 November 2017 17: 26 New
              0
              Quote: cast iron
              We just do not need to build and develop anything)))

              So sit on the pope evenly.
  8. andy.v.lee
    andy.v.lee 16 November 2017 16: 56 New
    +3
    China realized this twenty years ago. 50 thousand km of high-speed railways, 100 cities with a subway (or high-speed trams) and peripheral high-speed trains at the turn of 2025-2030 - this is the reality of investing in your country, not offshore. OleDurham is a shame! It’s a pity they are not shot, as in China.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 16 November 2017 23: 24 New
      +1
      You are absolutely right about China. But this is not about us. "Friends" do not like to be flown to Russia. They prefer the offshore banks. And they will never be punished for anything.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 34 New
      +1
      Vote further for the capitalists and do not rock the boat.
  9. evil partisan
    evil partisan 16 November 2017 16: 56 New
    +6
    Several times I went to the "Swallow" from Moscow to Tver (and vice versa) on the way to a business trip to Torzhok. Super! good The most comfortable seats, luggage rack, Wi-Fi Railways. They offer food, drinks. I remember my first trips from Moscow to Tver on trains and buses 10 years ago, like a nightmare yes ... the horror that was sad . But it seemed the norm! request
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 16 November 2017 18: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Several times I went to the "Swallow" from Moscow to Tver (and vice versa) on the way to a business trip to Torzhok. Super! good Comfortable armchairs

      Several times I went to the "Swallow" from Moscow to Vladimir (and vice versa). Much more comfortable than by train (travel time and guaranteed seating) or by bus (faster due to lack of traffic jams). But I didn’t like the chairs - the tilt of the seats is such that you crawl to the floor, and do not rest against the back. It also infuriates the “market pricing system” for tickets - in the summer, on the day of departure, the price is up to 1500 rubles, against 500 rubles. - if you take it in advance (and this is not always possible to plan).
      But overall, good.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 16 November 2017 21: 29 New
      +2
      In 2012, in winter I had to go to Tver for a car. From Kostroma to Moscow in the company train as in a sauna. On Leningradsky sat on a simple train. At the time of arrival in Tver, I presented myself as an eskimo.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: wicked partisan
      But it seemed the norm!

      And you remember about the cart with the horse. That's where the horror is. Although one can recall hiking on foot. Everything is sad there. laughing
  10. Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 16 November 2017 19: 12 New
    0
    Good try, Russian Railways, but no. no
  11. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 16 November 2017 19: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: BAI
    But trains are an sanctioned product, Siemens. Today is, but not tomorrow.

    The Chinese entered into an agreement with Siemens, and then copied and said: "Aufviderzen, mine heren!"
  12. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 16 November 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: andy.v.lee
    China realized this twenty years ago. 50 thousand km of high-speed railways, 100 cities with a subway (or high-speed trams) and peripheral high-speed trains at the turn of 2025-2030 - this is the reality of investing in your country, not offshore. OleDurham is a shame! It’s a pity they are not shot, as in China.

    They do not have Mr. Dvorkovich, who almost completely canceled the suburban service, due to the "loss-making"
    And nothing is booming
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 35 New
      0
      Vote further for Dvorkovich. You turned out great in 2016))))
  13. alekc75
    alekc75 16 November 2017 20: 13 New
    0
    the author needs to drink less and remove pink glasses !!!!! can push all of Russia into the capital ????
    1. Yurasumy
      16 November 2017 22: 23 New
      +2
      The author just suggests the opposite. It’s in vain that you didn’t catch the essence behind the example
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 16 November 2017 23: 36 New
        +2
        The author admires that people are forced to travel 100-150km from home for a decent salary. A strange man.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 11: 50 New
        0
        Quote: yurasumy
        The author just suggests the opposite.

        The author did not understand a bit why a speed message is needed. And a little did not understand what the further development trends of mankind are. And again he put his opus into the analyst’s section, where he had no place for him.
  14. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 16 November 2017 20: 42 New
    0
    Another 10-15 years will pass ...
    In 1927 there was already a Moscow-Vasyuki project. But it did not work out .... Too many "effective" ones.
  15. Karen
    Karen 16 November 2017 21: 20 New
    0
    Maybe someone will say about the Stalinist brainchild ... IS-20-16 from 1937.
    Speed ​​with fairings> 150km / h, average speed with 12 cars> 100km / h.
    1. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 21: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Karen
      Maybe someone will say about the Stalinist brainchild ... IS-20-16 from 1937.

      At a short distance ..
      You see, in order to maintain a high average speed throughout, it is not enough to build a steam locomotive of all steam locomotives, for this, the infrastructure is still needed, the same train roads for example.
      To start the fast train Moscow - Belgorod, I had to align hundreds of sections, I'm talking about corners and squiggles ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 21: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        To start the fast train Moscow - Belgorod, I had to align hundreds of sections, I'm talking about corners and squiggles ...

        There is not only the geometry of the tracks ... Although here it was necessary to reconsider the question of the passage of the train on the curves - the angle of rotation, radius of rotation, the angle of the internal inclination of the track, compensating centrifugal forces.
        It was necessary to alter the track: change the rails to the type that can withstand the force and pressure of the Sapsan wheelsets traveling at a speed of 100-115 km / h. Pour the ballast between the sleepers, review the technology of fastening the rail to the sleepers - crutches are a thing of the past, there are even anti-theft devices there, no matter how funny it sounds.
        1. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 22: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          There is not only the geometry of the paths ...

          Well, I'm not an engineer at Russian Railways))
          Although my son is studying at MIIT, now MSU PS ...
          But in railway many relatives are working, just in this direction, and they talked a lot about exactly what you wrote about.
          So I am in the know.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 22: 12 New
            +4
            Quote: Elena Zakharova
            Well, I'm not an engineer at Russian Railways))

            Yes, I did ..... I remembered the knowledge about rolling stock and railway, obtained in the railway college 37 years ago ....
            laughing
            1. Elena Zakharova
              Elena Zakharova 16 November 2017 22: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Yes, I am so ....

              Yes, I also just like that))
              Let's just say, slightly interested in developing intelligence))
              I’m torturing my son, like what kind of track do we have? And what about s?
              Knows))
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 22: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: Elena Zakharova
                type and what track do we have

                1520
                And they, beyond the hill, son knows?
                And in India - it is the widest.
                1. Elena Zakharova
                  Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 09: 31 New
                  +3
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  And they, beyond the hill, son knows?

                  The son knows where and which are all over the world.
                  They also study at university from all over the world ...
                  And I do not remember ((
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 22: 30 New
          +9
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          there are even anti-theft devices, no matter how funny it sounds

          Always and everywhere they were ... and there is nothing funny about them.
          They are needed if it is simple so that the rails on the railroad ties do not "creep" when braking the train, for example.
          Here is the picture:
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 22: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Always and everywhere they were ... and there is nothing funny about them.

            Thank you ..... I, in practice, working as an assistant train compiler, felt with my hands what I saw and studied in the lessons ....
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 22: 34 New
              +9
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Thank you

              Yes, nothing ...
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              I in practice, working as a train compiler assistant

              I’ve been trying a couple of seasons on the scaffold in Norilsk, still with the Union.
              So I also felt it with my hands.
  16. smart ass
    smart ass 16 November 2017 21: 30 New
    +2
    Complete nonsense. My father, a pensioner, worked all his life as a driver on Russian Railways. He began his work as an assistant at 2, production of the Skoda plant. And he ended his career in Russian VL11 and sadly said that emergency 2 was several times better even though it was 61 years old))) and I also went to Anapa on the reserved seat for 3 days, I went))) I don’t have to cheer
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 21: 41 New
      +4
      The ChS-2 series (further modernization - ChS-7, increased geometry due to the Soviet dimensions of the rolling stock, which improved access to mechanisms) was created in Czechoslovakia by an initiative order. Within the CMEA, he entered the USSR for the transportation of passenger trains.
      VL-11 can be compared with the infamous "Colchis" - it was built there, in Germany (Federal Republic of Georgia). Those. you can not talk about the quality of the products ..... Used to transport freight trains.
  17. TOR2
    TOR2 16 November 2017 22: 36 New
    +9
    I can’t consider it normal that people are forced to go to work in another city. Take for example the train itself. Where and by whom it was designed above has already been discussed. And take for example a two-story aeroexpress purchased in Switzerland. And having such a long network themselves are not able to make such a train. If there was a good prime minister, he would have called representatives of the transport engineering industry “on the carpet”, and drove him along the battery with fawning snouts. Such meetings are nice to end with the phrase: "and that would be a train" !!! Then, engineers and locksmiths, machine operators, for example, will need the same Tver Carriage Works. Naturally, this will pull a bunch of allies around the country who will also need specialists.
    Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia.

    Much has been said about this, but whose production will be the trains that they will go to talk about do not particularly like. Their project "Falcon-250" has long been abandoned. Again, like the "Swallows" buy somewhere. Well, what kind of development is there. And then they will tell us where it is possible to go on these trains, and where it is impossible.
    If half of the able-bodied population will dangle in megacities to increase sales, then we will never build our train. So the key to the decision is rather not in mobility, but in the elementary responsibility of officials.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2017 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: TOR2
      If there was a good prime minister, he would have called representatives of the transport engineering industry “on the carpet”, and drove him along the battery with fawning snouts. Such meetings are nice to end with the phrase: "and that would be a train" !!!
      - tinkered and what ???
      If specialists having a level that allows to build such equipment / industry capable of building such / operators who are able to exploit such - NO we have at the moment ??? from the word - almost completely NO?
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 17 November 2017 21: 44 New
        0
        Quote: your1970
        If there are specialists with a level that allows to build such equipment / industry capable of building such / operators capable of operating such - NO

        Elektrosila Plant (St. Petersburg) is the largest energy machine-building enterprise in Russia, specializing in the production of electric machines, traction motors, generators.
        OKB Iskra OJSC (Ulyanovsk) produces a wide range of power electronics devices: high-power high-voltage switching transistors, high-power bipolar transistors, high-voltage MOS transistors, high-power switching MOS transistors, high-power IGBT-
        modules that are designed for frequency converters in power supply systems, pulse modulators in secondary power supplies.
        Is it really necessary to wait until the last enterprises are closed. Yes, and ARRIAH brains do not hurt to move. You can even work together with the military-industrial complex.
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 20 November 2017 23: 20 New
          0
          but we have forgotten how to make good bearings - country 3 of the world ...
  18. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 16 November 2017 22: 39 New
    +3
    Setrac,
    I do not distort anything. Even the police can be paid. Children pay, they look for thieves.
  19. iouris
    iouris 16 November 2017 23: 07 New
    +1
    These high-speed trains cut off the population of the region from the capitals.
  20. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 17 November 2017 00: 01 New
    +1
    Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia. They will connect the main regions of the country and breathe new life throughout its entirety. From them, like tentacles from an octopus, a network of express roads will appear. Every year, an increasing part of Russia's population will be drawn into a new economic structure and thereby create an additional growth factor. You see, after about twenty years, the project of a high-speed road from Moscow to Irkutsk worth some 22 billion dollars (in 2013 prices) will become a reality. [B] [/ b] Dear Yu. Podolyaka, why drag in any kind of fantasy?
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 November 2017 02: 40 New
      0
      Quote: 406ppmp2gv
      Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia.

      Whose tentacles?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 06: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: 406ppmp2gv
        Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia.

        Whose tentacles?

        Drinking in the morning is bad wink
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 17 November 2017 05: 18 New
      +3
      This is not fontastika this is nonsense. What 10-15 years, in the full year 2000 they couldn’t, but now it’s possible under sanctions, under the dollar 60 rubles, for gold loans we can haha
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 November 2017 09: 23 New
        +1
        Sanctions on the construction of railways are not affected. Within 10 - 15 years, the economy will recover and go to the top.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 11: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Within 10 - 15 years, the economy will recover and go to the top.

          I recall the promises to build communism by 1980.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 November 2017 20: 22 New
            +2
            We are increasing GDP, not building communism.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 20: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              We are increasing GDP, not building communism.

              You hold on there.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 18 November 2017 21: 09 New
                +2
                Everything is nicest with me - I have nothing to hold on to.
                1. goblin xnumx
                  goblin xnumx 20 November 2017 23: 22 New
                  0
                  the question is not for you, what are you increasing the president there?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 November 2017 20: 56 New
              +3
              I remember that they promised to build a high-speed railway Moscow-Kazan at the 2018 World Cup. Well, where is she?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 18 November 2017 21: 07 New
                +1
                To 2026 will be built.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 18 November 2017 21: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  To 2026 will be built.

                  Well, never mind. In 2016, if I am not mistaken, the question arose of the appropriateness of this railway. And what will we have in the 20126 volume? Goodwill Games?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 19 November 2017 13: 49 New
                    +2
                    Maybe the Olympics will be, every year one hundred billion rubles will be spent on 100 km of road: track, bridges, tunnels, interchanges, composition, etc. - in just eight years, 745 kilometers will be built.
  21. Tishka
    Tishka 17 November 2017 01: 00 New
    +2
    The idea is of course a good one, all managers go to work in Moscow, there is only one problem, even in Moscow, there are factories left, which can be counted on the fingers of one hand! Bred, the business of shopping centers, not measured, but in addition to garbage, they do not produce anything! And where did the author get the data that working in Moscow will receive 20 thousand more if the salary is only 25-30 thousand, if you are not the director of the bank! Maybe, in addition to the trains, it will provide people with work in their city, and not drive them to work, to Moscow and St. Petersburg, with an appropriate salary? But the trains must be left so that there is an opportunity to get to the capitals, if suddenly a revolution breaks out from such a good life!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 10: 01 New
      11
      Quote: Silence
      in Moscow, the factories left that can be counted on the fingers of one hand

      I don’t know how many fingers you have on one hand, but you obviously gave Mach:

      And not everything is listed there, by the way. "Comets" and other military industrial complex are not there, from the word "vaasche".
      Quote: Silence
      ... except garbage, they produce nothing ...

      Judging by your comments, you also don’t produce anything except garbage ... verbal wink
      Quote: Silence
      ... the salary is only 25-30 thousand ...

      Well, I have mnu, an example, three times more, in my hands. On a test. Not a manager, a purely hired slave. Not a janitor, true no laughing
      Quote: Silence
      if revolution suddenly breaks out from such a good life!

      Life is what it is.
      And more - Nikakova (s)
      1. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 17 November 2017 10: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        I don’t know how many fingers you have on one hand, but you obviously gave Mach:

        These gentlemen are the fastest at surcharge, they don’t know anything about Moscow, but they spread their foolish languages ​​and constantly lie.
        Plus to you for washing the pet!
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 11: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          Plus to you for washing the pet

          And you minus. For the fact that they answered stupidity with arrogant stupidity.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 12: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And not everything is listed there, by the way. "Comets" and other military industrial complex are not there, from the word "vaasche".

        Nevertheless, a lot of enterprises have safely died, like the same ZIL, AZLK, watch factories.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 12: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Nevertheless, a lot of enterprises have safely died, like the same ZIL, AZLK, watch factories

          What does your statement have to do with this? Or, as the Chukchi - “what he sees, then sings”?
          Quote: Silence
          in Moscow, the factories left that can be counted on the fingers of one hand!
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 13: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            What does your statement have to do with this? Or, as the Chukchi - “what he sees, then sings”?

            Such that after reading your comment from someone, a false impression may be created about the general state of industry in Moscow. For example, from your list, the Hammer and Sickle Steel Plant was closed in 2011. It is likely if you look there it may turn out that other enterprises are not so rosy.
            1. Tishka
              Tishka 17 November 2017 13: 45 New
              0
              Three-mountain factory, closed, 1905 factory, closed, 2-hour factory, demolished, Zamov VVZM, closed, Dukat tobacco factory, demolished, about ZIL and AZLK, generally silent. this is only for one district.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 13: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Silence
                Three-mountain factory, closed, 1905 factory, closed, 2-hour factory, demolished, Zamov VVZM, closed, Dukat tobacco factory, demolished, about ZIL and AZLK, generally silent. this is only for one district.

                And in general, as far as I remember, Sobyanin promised to take all industry outside of Moscow for environmental reasons.
      3. Tishka
        Tishka 17 November 2017 13: 03 New
        0
        Maybe I’m a monster, but I’ve lived in Moscow, all my life, I have something to compare, in Brezhnev’s times, where you didn’t go through, there were stands everywhere, required, required, required, and now, they are demolishing historical monuments, breaking everything, Sobyanannu you need a place, houses are being built, for visitors, because Moskvich, can’t afford, such a luxury, apparently did not work! It is visible to you, I’m very lucky, but I think not a lot of people like you!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 13: 13 New
          +9
          I can only sympathize.
          But, I repeat, life is what it is. And to a large extent, as it is (for us), we ourselves do it.
          Quote: Silence
          Seen to you, lucky

          Lucky one who is ... lucky, yeah.
          1. Tishka
            Tishka 17 November 2017 13: 17 New
            0
            So we are driving this government, which we ourselves have chosen!
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 13: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Silence
          and now, demolishing historical monuments, breaking everything

          Here it is not necessary la-la. When Luzhkov did not say this?
          Quote: Silence
          Sobyanna needs a place, they build houses, for visitors

          Moscow is all of the visitors. Because once upon a time in Moscow there was a bare field, more precisely, a forest with a swamp.
          Quote: Silence
          because Moskvich, can’t afford, such a luxury, apparently did not work!

          Muscovite should trynit less and work more, now mortgage rates have fallen seriously and with your salaries to whine about how hard it is for you that it’s insolence of clean water. And even in the near Moscow region now even a janitor can afford an apartment.
          1. Tishka
            Tishka 17 November 2017 13: 49 New
            0
            Just do not believe what VTsIOM writes, according to his calculations, the average salary in Moscow is 91851 rubles, it seems that the survey was conducted in the Kremlin and the Duma! Of course, here we are picking our nose and rowing money with a shovel, even in the Moscow Region apartments for 7 million!
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 14: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: Silence
              Just do not believe what VTsIOM writes, according to his calculations, the average salary in Moscow is 91851 rubles, it seems that the survey was conducted in the Kremlin and the Duma!

              Why? Most likely this is the average. Here the median will be 25 percent lower. A modal is even lower. So 50-70 thousand rubles. I think it is the bulk of the Muscovites.
              Quote: Silence
              even in Moscow suburbs apartments of 7 million!

              But let’s you tell me about the Moscow region tales will not tell? My relatives live there and plus I monitor housing prices myself. I live in a province. There are no salaries, with a well-paid job, to put it mildly, not very much either. Education worthless, disgusting medicine, a communal apartment is quite expensive. There are no additional payments to pensioners. The food is almost like in Moscow, the clothes, too. And Muscovites in the background of all this cry how hard it is for them to live. So there are places where people live even worse than in my city. Before you cry, you would compare your life with the life of other residents of Russia. There generally then sometimes rivers and seas of tears can be shed.
              Quote: Silence
              Of course, we are picking our nose here and rowing money with a shovel

              I didn’t talk about it. I talked about the fact that the living conditions of the average Muscovite are much better than the average resident of the province.
              1. Tishka
                Tishka 17 November 2017 14: 27 New
                0
                It’s always useful to think, but it’s real, it turns out 30 thousand. Some categories probably get 50, but I don’t have such friends, they all have no more than 30, but there are even less, I don’t take the salary of cleaners into account! I agree, in the field, it’s still much worse, but the point is that you need to raise salaries at the level of the average for the country, and not carry people, 1,5 hours to work, to Moscow and St. Petersburg! And about this, the government that we elected, or even the Muscovites, should think about, will soon have to go to work in Ivanovo, or even to hell!
                1. your1970
                  your1970 17 November 2017 16: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Silence
                  then we need to tighten salaries, at the level of national averages,
                  -
                  Do you know how? Not just - “Raise !!!" - and specifically - where to get money for a commercial enterprise to do this? Share the recipe, everything will be interesting ...

                  The recipe is to take everything away from the director not to offer, it is possible only once no more, then he will drop everything and leave. And the state will have debts and evil workers .. And there is no money for them in the budget ...

                  I in 1993, being an ensign, at the beginning of the year I received 60 - and at the end of 000. There was such a law on indexing the quarterly monetary allowance of the military. There was no real reason for this, alas, purchasing power became half
                  1. Tishka
                    Tishka 18 November 2017 00: 03 New
                    0
                    You don’t take anything away from the director, he will fire you all before, but if you leave the WTO, which dictates the price, reduce the cost of energy carriers, plus remove half of those who check it, and do not stifle taxes, where for the ruble produced, give 1 to taxes , then, the management of the companies will not have a headache, and also lower the rent for the area, well, approximately like in China, then jobs will appear and small business will be profitable!
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 18 November 2017 23: 01 New
                      0
                      Quote: Silence
                      You don’t take anything away from the director, he will fire you all before, but if you leave the WTO, which dictates the price, reduce the cost of energy carriers, plus remove half of those who check it, and do not stifle taxes, where for the ruble produced, give 1 to taxes , then, the management of the companies will not have a headache, and also lower the rent for the area, well, approximately like in China, then jobs will appear and small business will be profitable!
                      -
                      about small business is not necessary ... 249-ФЗ open and read about the holidays for these scumbags, about 3 years, about the threat to life / health, about the lack of funds and a tax base, and other delights ...
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 17: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Silence
                  It’s always useful to think, it’s only real, it turns out 30 thousand. Some categories may receive 50, but I don’t have such acquaintances, everyone has no more than 30

                  Are they doing nothing at all? My acquaintance received 35 thousand rubles clean assistant accountant two years ago, her husband worked at the factory as a foreman received 40 thousand rubles with a little clean. So do not la la. Maybe you're talking about retirees? Then you live very well. Here we have retired more than 6-8 thousand rubles as a guard or guard and the competition does not shine. And the pension is 11-12 thousand rubles as far as I remember.
                  1. Tishka
                    Tishka 18 November 2017 00: 00 New
                    0
                    Here you are absolutely right, pensions along with the Luzhkovsky are up to 18 thousand if you live up to 80! But there is no subsidiary farm, so all from the store, where prices are rising by leaps and bounds! I received the pro, the song is old, the assistant accountant is probably at the bank!
    2. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2017 16: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Silence
      And where did the author take the data that working in Moscow will receive 20 thousand more if the salary is only 25-30 thousand,
      - purely for you: security guards (without weapons !!) receive already 1200-1300 per day minimum, actually working -45-50-75 ... Otherwise, no one could physically pay for housing. Our shift to Moscow - they saw on the train per day (1100 km). Do you think they go from -5-10 thousand? 25-10 (eat + communal) -7-10 (for food) = 5 clean according to your theory. Well, well, I’ll say men, they will laugh ....
      Yes, about 5 years ago, drivers on mixers / garbage trucks / trucks, builders, machinists
      about 100 a month they earned, after the crisis, about twice the salary fell
      1. Tishka
        Tishka 17 November 2017 23: 55 New
        0
        Well, let's calculate, since you have a bad math, the security guard in the business center receives 1200 per day, even while working, the next day, 15 shifts per month are obtained, we multiply by 1200 total 18000, the original 50! I don’t know about garbage trucks, the machine operator at the Khrunichev factory averaged 000 when fulfilling the plan, but the director’s daughter chooses an apartment in Paris! So, let's laugh together!
        1. your1970
          your1970 18 November 2017 23: 07 New
          +1
          what fool will work on watch 15 days???? 20-22-24 shifts are average and this is the protection of the level of schools / hospitals / shops, but this work and is not considered-so only for the elderly - for whom over 40 who are already especially nowhere to take and without specialties
          business center guards - who are more or less young and pumped up a long time ago 2000-2500-3000-35000 receive
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 November 2017 23: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: your1970
            it’s work and is not considered so, only for the elderly - to whom for 40

            Own, are you crazy there? 15000 in the communication salon do not want to receive? Day in two. I can give the address.
            1. your1970
              your1970 19 November 2017 00: 58 New
              +1
              I- went crazy ...... On the street, whoever you ask, where? On a shift in Moscow or St. Petersburg ..... one-way train ticket 4200 (one day by train)
              Thanks for the address - but apparently our men go to some other Moscow, not to yours .....
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 November 2017 01: 22 New
                +3
                And this is not in Moscow. This is two hundred km. from her.
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 01: 07 New
            +7
            Quote: your1970
            which ... will work on watch for 15 days?

            I know an eccentric one ... he is a Mordvin, by the way request
            So here - the kid drove, plus a tractor and cleaning equipment of various kinds.
            It takes two weeks to clean the city, then a week to thump, a week to go ... and again to clean for two weeks.
            The situation is this: in the fortieth region, over the past two weeks he has a salary (with an irregular "working day"), he "does" a little more on diesel fuel.
            This is to the question "about two weeks" - what I see, then I sing, do not exact request
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 19 November 2017 01: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I know an eccentric one ... he is a Mordvin, by the way

              Hey hey take it easy. This is definitely not me. laughing
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 19 November 2017 01: 18 New
                +8
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Hey hey take it easy. It's definitely not me

                Yes, not ... I'm not talking about that. They call that Sanya, by the way ... certainly not you yes
            2. your1970
              your1970 19 November 2017 11: 03 New
              +1
              So I'm talking about the same thing - it makes no sense to go on a shift somewhere in less than 30
  22. algonquin
    algonquin 17 November 2017 04: 54 New
    0
    I do not like the mention of “samurai” in the title. Samurai have nothing to do with it.
    It is clearer and more logical to simply mention the "Japanese" or the "land of the rising sun."
    Something is not entirely clear what the author wanted to say - in the last 1-2 paragraphs there should be an affirmative conclusion, a call, a slogan or an idea should be formulated.
    Here is some kind of "statement with a rhetorical question." (Tell me, science fiction?)
    That is, the author first painted that everything is fine, then in the middle it is not clear that - people began to go further to earn money, then about some future in which they would build high-speed roads, that is, at first - yes! Yes! The statement, then some inarticulate reasoning.
    Learn to build a presentation / article plan.

    And imagine, suddenly a tornado or an accident on a highway, not necessarily on a high-speed track, but on a crossroad, snowfall, and so on. - and people will have to stomp / get home for 200-500km? Is it okay if at home only the cat is unfed, and whose mother takes the children from the kindergarten / school? Will not wait, have to "break through"
  23. Archon
    Archon 17 November 2017 04: 56 New
    +1
    And when will the train from Vladivostok to Moscow in an hour's journey? And then the plane is very expensive.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2017 08: 38 New
      0
      The train will be even more expensive .... + rails.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 November 2017 09: 25 New
      +1
      This is only a plane, and even then hypersonic, at a speed of 7M, I think this will appear in Russia before 2050.
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 November 2017 08: 37 New
    0
    And what about high-speed roads? Swallow - a modern electric train usual .... seems to be manufactured by Siemens. Peregrine Falcon-yes ... but it differs from the swallow-like jet from a turboprop.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 12: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Peregrine Falcon

      I read Sapsan scolded for the fact that this is essentially a suburban train, and it is driven over long distances.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 November 2017 14: 31 New
        0
        The Peregrine Falcon train differs in both suspension and Shumkov and is adapted for 250-300 km / h ... It is designed for 3-4 hours of travel, then it is not competitive with the plane.
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  26. brats
    brats 17 November 2017 15: 30 New
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    The realtors of Russia are bluffing black, they will not do any of the above, since with all the fibers they systematically block Moscow-Kazan, which has already been built a hundred times,
    LYING. In each letter, a lie so big that it would be monstrous and inspire confidence.
    In fact, the exact opposite is being done, the Ministry of Transport Sokolov personally, moreover, flaunting this at a meeting with Putin, destroys the industry with underdevelopment.
    In the discourse of the article there are no words showing real goal-setting, but on the contrary it is written by a debilitating vocabulary of a projection sucked from a finger.
  27. uhu189
    uhu189 17 November 2017 15: 35 New
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    Dear Author. For your information, in order for the high-speed Sapsans to go along the main passage between St. Petersburg and Moscow, they removed almost all freight trains to the northern passage, and reduced 80% of all electric trains from Malaya Vishera to Tver. If you think that Russia needs such a future, then I’m afraid I cannot agree with you in principle. If you are interested in the topic, you will see that both Peregrine Falcons and Swallows are all products of the Siemens concern, made in Germany. We do not have our own high-speed electric train, ER-200 has long been decommissioned, the Falcon did not go on its own, and nothing else was published. What you described is certainly not bad, but completely unrealistic, reminiscent of stories about New Vasyuki. We have a bunch of railway lines, where trains run once a week, or basically stopped working when regular passenger service used to be ... Before you have to be more realistic
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 20 November 2017 03: 14 New
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      We have a bunch of railway lines, where trains generally run once a week or, in principle, stopped working when regular passenger service used to be ...

      Or it happens that the trains go along some suburban line, but they barely roll, they stand at the stations for an incredibly long time, so there seems to be an electric train, and you need to travel a short distance, but it is almost impossible to use it for trips to work. Delays in trains, downtime at stations, unreasonably quiet running on tracks where the wind is flying on a different day (that’s possible!), Unreasonably long intervals between trains and previous trains (not corresponding to the braking distance of trains) are evident due to outdated signaling and communication, incomprehensible daytime breaks in the schedule, arrogant cancellations of trains, lack of trains on many existing railway lines (for example, on the roundabout in St. Petersburg) - all this is clearly not motivated by anything except the unwillingness of the Russian Railways and the state to which it submits to organize the normal operation of existing conventional trains and routes.
      1. your1970
        your1970 20 November 2017 07: 52 New
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        Quote: Falcon5555
        all this is clearly not motivated by anything except the reluctance of Russian Railways and the state to which it is subordinate to organize the normal operation of existing conventional trains and routes.
        - apparently you do not know how complicated the organized movement
        Example: reducing the time for customs at Baltika (this is not beer! This is transit) by only 10 minutes allowed an additional move around the country around 2000 cars per day. Passenger traffic is a priority, so sometimes it is impossible to organize in full (technically) ...
        1. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 20 November 2017 23: 56 New
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          - apparently you do not know how complicated the organized movement

          Apparently you are not aware of what I am aware of.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 21 November 2017 09: 51 New
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            Quote: Falcon5555
            Apparently you are not aware of what I am aware of.

            laughing How do we know? Ordinary workers of Russian Railways!
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  30. brats
    brats 17 November 2017 15: 50 New
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    All Moscow except Sobyaninsky will need the HSR, since the super-efficient resettlement doctrine from MAGRUM provides for Russia instead of a refined and wrecking renovation, with the same budgetary load, providing each of about 40 million Russian families [sic!]:
    1) Apartment in the city
    2) A cooperative eco-estate, 1 ha for each family member, including babies, on the Russian Plain, providing a basic basic income of 0.6 million rubles per year per person, with labor participation 150-200 hours per year.
    3) Cottage in the format of timeshare in the resorts of Russia and the world.
    And to move between these carriages, and you need to work))) high-speed rail transport at the foreseeable technological level is uncontested, since all flying Pepelians publish unacceptable and unvariant Decibels. And the combination of an electric car + BCM reliably closes the problem.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 November 2017 16: 54 New
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      Quote: brats

      2) A cooperative eco-estate, 1 ha for each family member, including babies, on the Russian Plain, providing a basic basic income of 0.6 million rubles per year per person, with labor participation 150-200 hours per year.

      - Have you ever hectare Did you see live? Are you aware that we have a 40-hour work week = 200h / 40 =5 weeks of work per year Total???!!!
      Even if you sow this hectare with Chuy hemp, labor costs will be several times more !!! I'm talking about normal agricultural products in general, I’m silent - there you have to plow and plow
      200 hours a year of work in the field - and even think that something will grow there with such work belay belay belay fool fool fool fool fool
      1. brats
        brats 18 November 2017 11: 14 New
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        Do not reflect past the cash register. Smart people understand, the rest doesn't have to
      2. brats
        brats 18 November 2017 11: 28 New
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        If you have not lost the desire to go into topics in which neither with your ear nor snout, then you should listen, with emphasis on the test component.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhBGMvLreS0
      3. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 21 November 2017 00: 02 New
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        Quote: your1970
        "Have you ever seen a hectare alive? Are you aware that we have a 40-hour work week = 200 hours / 40 = 5 weeks of work per year in total ??? !!! ... 200 hours per year of work in the field - and even to think that there will grow something with such work
        Apparently you are not aware that science and technology have long invented miracle gadgets called tractors, plows, combines, mowing machines, fertilizers, etc. Apparently you do not know what century is now in the yard. But - apparently you are aware of what "Chuya hemp" is, and how to grow it - oh! - about! Specific horizons! belay
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 17 November 2017 17: 38 New
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      Quote: brats
      Super-efficient resettlement doctrine from MAGRUM

      Where can I get acquainted with this fabulous doctrine? Give a link, if not difficult, have not read social fiction for a long time.
      1. brats
        brats 18 November 2017 11: 12 New
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        Now only after a polite request, is it clear srulik? Srul in Ukrainian Yiddish is a diminutive of Israel.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 18 November 2017 12: 40 New
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          Quote: brats
          Now only after a polite request, is it clear srulik? Srul in Ukrainian Yiddish is a diminutive of Israel.

          You sectarians of eco-estates and other patrimonial gardens, I would have driven them to these same estates for 20 years so that it’s not bad to carry any nonsense. Agricultural theorists understand.
  31. astankard
    astankard 17 November 2017 16: 09 New
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    I wonder what kind of "economist" writes this? Did he ride electric trains with sweaty bums for a long time?)))
    + and -, this is what it is based on, what kind of work-earnings?
    And generally speaking . what idiotic calculations? Explain to me, the unreasonable - where will I get the extra money to save time on the trip if I pay more? )))
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  33. Dart
    Dart 17 November 2017 17: 14 New
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    The article is relevant. Railway transport has been and will be for a long time the main arteries of our state. And they, arteries, need to be taken care of and developed, otherwise everything as people may have, diseases are fraught with frailty of the body. And without options, there is even nothing to discuss, with the cessation of the activity of arteries (railway) - a fatal outcome.
  34. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 17 November 2017 18: 22 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: 406ppmp2gv
    Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia.

    Whose tentacles?

    did you read the article? Any questions to me?
  35. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 17 November 2017 18: 24 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: 406ppmp2gv
    Another 10-15 years will pass, and the first high-speed railways will be built in Russia.

    Whose tentacles?

    the same question, you read the full article. to ask this question.
  36. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 17 November 2017 20: 08 New
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    Quote: Clever man
    Complete nonsense. My father, a pensioner, worked all his life as a driver on Russian Railways. He began his work as an assistant at 2, production of the Skoda plant. And he ended his career in Russian VL11 and sadly said that emergency 2 was several times better even though it was 61 years old))) and I also went to Anapa on the reserved seat for 3 days, I went))) I don’t have to cheer

    Why compare the electric locomotive (Czechs), which are for passenger traffic and VL-11 for freight. In Czechs, springs absorb more easily. By the way, VL is Vladimir Lenin (this is about the electrification of the whole country.).
  37. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 19 November 2017 13: 39 New
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    In general, the essence of the opus in what. Thank you very much for your beloved party (EP) and its former leader (GDP) for letting German trains on Russian read mostly to Soviet railways. If the party nomenclature did not grunt the Union, then “high-speed” trains crawling at the speed of a passenger car of 120-150 km / h, we would launch ourselves and our own design and production. And the price tag for them would obviously not be so high. Yes, yes, it was Soviet officials and red directors who were most eager for the cap system, and now they are explaining to us that it’s not at all expensive to give up to 4 zp to travel. For some reason, none of the sweet-voiced propagandists writes that the train is several times more expensive and its maintenance is also not cheap compared to Russian ones. That is, we load the orders of the Germans, and they then shred us. After all, from the Russian in it there is only a case and partially carts. All that relates to technologically sophisticated equipment of German or German subsidiary production. In general, a typical scheme for the Comprodor Islands of Russia.
  38. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 19 November 2017 22: 34 New
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    high-speed trains are a double-edged sword, after 5-6 hours, in a normal train with beds, especially if it’s a “night horse”, employees have a good rest, and are ready to work fruitfully, and after 5-6 hours in a sitting position, you need to rest, otherwise the return drops sharply, of course, if the hour is two, then rest is not required.