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Battle of Stalingrad changed the course of the “Big Game”

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75 years ago, the Red Army launched a counteroffensive at Stalingrad, which ended with the encirclement and destruction of the German Stalingrad group. This battle was the most significant event not only of the Great Patriotic War, but of the whole world war. There was a radical, strategic turning point in the war.


The Red Army began a counterattack on the entire Soviet-German front, inflicting on the enemy one defeat after another, freeing the Russian (Soviet) lands and then all of Europe from the "black-brown plague" (Nazism and Fascism). The battle of Stalingrad was of great importance for the entire Soviet country, the Soviet people. The Soviet Union, the people and the army gained a second wind, withstood the terrible 1942 year, crushed the enemy's hordes at Stalingrad and in the Caucasus. The Germans called Stalingrad "Red Verdun" - the best, the shock forces of the Wehrmacht got bogged down in the Volga city, lost their mobility and maneuverability. Began a viscous, bloody "porridge", exhausting positional struggle, where success was measured in meters! The city was turned into ruins. But the German troops could not throw Chuykivtsi (Chuikov’s army) into the Volga. The German army was exhausted, drained of blood and morally broken. Wehrmacht across the Soviet-German front went on the defensive.

Conducted intense fighting on the 1300-kilometer front (Voronezh and Stalingrad directions) Army Group B was unable to break the resistance of the Bryansk, Voronezh, South-Western, Don and Stalingrad fronts. The main strike group of the Wehrmacht - 6th field and 4th tank Army - stuck in fierce battles on the Lower Volga. The German command was forced to transfer to Stalingrad to make up for the huge losses of 32 divisions from the army group "A", operating in the Caucasus. As a result, the Caucasian group of the Wehrmacht also lost most of its striking power and could not solve the tasks assigned to it. The 1st Panzer and 17th Field Armies invaded deep into the Caucasus, but could not capture the "black gold" of Grozny and Baku. In the Caucasus, as well as near Stalingrad, the position of the Wehrmacht became dangerous, operational and strategic reserves were expended. The successes of the Wehrmacht spring - summer 1942 were depreciated. The goal of the 1942 campaign - the complete defeat of the Soviet armed forces and the military-political collapse of the USSR, turned out to be unattainable.

Thus, as in the 1941 campaign of the year, the German military-political elite grossly miscalculated in their calculations. The idea of ​​capturing the main economic regions of the Soviet Union, which, according to Berlin’s plans, would lead to a complete collapse of the Red Army and the USSR, was based on an incorrect assessment of the moral and political factor (stability and moral-volitional qualities of the Soviet leadership, the army and the people in general), military and economic potential of the Soviet Union. The spiritual, military-political and economic stability of the USSR turned out to be much higher than they thought in Hitler's Germany (and in the West as a whole). The “colossus on clay feet” turned out to be in fact a steel titanium, able to withstand and win in the most severe slaughter in stories of humanity. The Soviet civilization project and the socialist system showed the highest efficiency and superiority over the “Eternal Reich” - the advanced predatory project of the Western world.

The Red Army, the supreme Soviet command clearly revealed this moment. There was an opportunity to intercept the strategic initiative in the war, to inflict a powerful counter-attack on the enemy and to start the expulsion of the invaders from their native land. In addition, the battle in Stalingrad made it possible to put in order the defenses and troops in other strategic areas, prepare strategic reserves, and finally transfer the economy to "war rails". In the second half of 1942, a radical change was also achieved in the work of the military-industrial complex. The Soviet national economy has won its victory. Aircraft production in December 1942 year compared with December 1941 year increased 3,3 times. In the second half of 1942, the Soviet air force received an average of 2260 airplanes monthly, and for the entire year the country produced 25 436 airplanes. And what is very important, the new Soviet aircraft (IL-2, Yak-7, La-5, Pe-2) were not inferior in their fighting qualities to German aircraft. The production of tanks grew rapidly. In 1942, 24 668 tanks were launched, including medium T-34 tanks over 50%. In the same year, 3237 rocket launchers (“Katyush”) were commissioned by the Soviet troops, about 30 thousand guns of caliber 76 mm and above, production of 300 mm mortars increased by 120%. The Red Army received all the necessary weapons in order to achieve a breakthrough in the war.

It is also important to note that The battle of Stalingrad forced the owners of the United States and Britain to act on a more favorable scenario for the Soviet Union. In the spring - summer of 1942, our Western "partners" did not even think about actively acting on the main European theater of war. At the beginning of the war, the military and the politicians of the United States and England were generally convinced that Hitler’s Germany, which had subdued the military-economic potential more than a part of Europe, and its allies (many forget that Italy, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Spain, Slovakia, and volunteers fought against us from all over Europe) will deal with the Soviet Union in a few weeks or months. At the beginning of German aggression against the USSR Vice President Truman declared: “If the Germans win, it’s worth helping the Russians, if the Russians take the upper hand, you need to help the Germans - and let them kill each other as much as possible!” The United States at that time was supposedly a neutral country. Churchill in the 1942 year at a meeting of the military office formulated the task as follows: "To detain Russian barbarians as far as possible in the east, so that they do not threaten a free Europe."

The masters of Washington and London, who in fact unleashed another world war, successfully offended the Germans and Russians for them, were very pleased with this massacre. Two great powers, the union of which could challenge the Anglo-Saxons, destroyed each other. And most importantly, the Soviet project challenged the Western project of creating a “new world order” - a global slave civilization. He offered mankind an alternative — a bright world without slavery, parasitizing a few “chosen ones” over “two-legged tools”, “subhumans”, a society of service and creation, social justice. It was a terrible challenge for the masters of the West. Their millennial project to create a “global concentration camp” collapsed. To stop the Soviet Union, the masters of the West created the “Hitler” project. They gave the Führer to subjugate Germany, to restore its military-economic potential. With the help of prohibited psychotechnologies to make the Germans a single combat mechanism. In fact, in Western Europe, the gates opened in inferno, created the civilization of the “black sun”. Germany gave most of Europe (even France!) And threw Hitler's “blond beasts” onto Russia-USSR in order to crush the Russian (Soviet) globalization project and once and for all put an end to Russia and the Russians.

Germany had to do away with the USSR in one powerful blow. Hitler had a secret agreement with London (the flight of Rudolf Hess), so he was not afraid that a real second front would be opened. Berlin could concentrate all forces on the Russian (Eastern) front. Then the owners of the USA, England and Germany could agree on the division of the planet into spheres of influence. For the fact that Hitler did not fly off the leash, the owners of the United States had an absolute argument - an atomic project. On the other hand, the owners of the United States and England knew that the battle in the East would exhaust Germany, and to destroy Russian resistance and control the vast expanses of Russia, Russia would need a huge occupation army and resources. Therefore, Berlin will be able to dictate their terms. The scenario of the “palace coup” was also ready, if Hitler showed excessive autonomy. Hitler had to eliminate the generals and senior officers who wanted to "negotiate with the West."

The defeat of the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad and the defeat in the battle for the Caucasus forced the masters of the West to measure their strategy and plans. It became obvious that the USSR, albeit at the cost of colossal losses, would take up. That is, it will be necessary to create a “second front” in order not to give up most of Europe to the sphere of influence of Moscow, which is subordinate to Hitler. It will be necessary to abandon the secret agreement with Berlin, and to pretend that the “world community” (the United States and Britain with the satellites) opposed Nazism and fascism from the very beginning. Although in reality, it was the masters of London and Washington who nurtured fascism, Nazism themselves, and unleashed a great war in Europe and in the world.

In this way, The battle of Stalingrad changed the course of the Great Game. There was a radical change in the war. Germany lost its strategic initiative in the Great Patriotic War, it passed to the USSR (finally after the Battle of Kursk). The United States and Britain switched from a strategy that expected the USSR to be defeated in the war, to another scenario — active economic assistance to Moscow, the struggle to maintain positions in the post-war world and Europe under the conditions of the Soviet Union (they still hoped in the West that they were extremely weak, doomed to soon fall). Japan, like during the battle for Moscow, once again convinced of the power of the Soviet Union and abandoned plans to invade the Russian Far East. Turkey also maintained neutrality, although earlier it was leaning towards the axis Berlin-Rome-Tokyo.
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Articles from this series:
1942 Campaign

The Third Reich again goes on the offensive.
"The whole Russian front was falling apart ..." Wehrmacht breakthrough in the southern strategic direction
Stalingrad Fortress
1942 year. "The operation in the south develops without stopping"
How the German army broke through to Stalingrad
Expectations to take Stalingrad a sudden blow failed
Breakthrough of the 6 of the German army to the northern outskirts of Stalingrad
Defeat of the Crimean Front
"The spirit of optimism ... vital at the command post of the front." Kharkov disaster of the Red Army
Khrushchev dumped all the blame for the Kharkov catastrophe on Stalin
How the Wehrmacht stormed the Caucasus
Battle for the Caucasus: no invasions from land
The battle for the "black gold" of the Caucasus
How failed operation "Edelweiss"
"Soviet troops fought for every inch of land ..."
"Verdun of World War II ..."
"It truly was hell." How to reflect the first blow to Stalingrad
"We will storm Stalingrad and take it ...". Second storming of the stronghold on the Volga
The second assault on Stalingrad. H. 2
The third assault on Stalingrad
"Tanks drive through people like wood." The third assault on Stalingrad. H. 2
“We are fighting as if we are possessed, but we cannot make our way to the river ...”
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2017 06: 18
    13
    Reading the history of the Battle of Stalingrad, I feel proud of our ancestors who fought in the most difficult conditions with the Germans ... once again I am convinced that in the end the main person in the war is not generals and marshals but ordinary soldiers and officers ... who have not lost their spirit in the face of death and are ready defeat the enemy in any conditions.
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 16 November 2017 06: 58
      12
      here we recall the difference between us and the west in two proverbs:
      they have: "do or die" (as I understand it, this is from Greek "with a shield or on a shield")
      and we have: "Die but do".
      1. San Sanych
        San Sanych 16 November 2017 11: 01
        +4
        It’s not enough to kill a Russian soldier, he also needs to be knocked down. (Frederick II the Great)
  2. avva2012
    avva2012 16 November 2017 06: 40
    10
    The Soviet national economy triumphed. Aircraft production in December 1942 compared to December 1941 increased by 3,3 times. In the second half of the 1942 year, the Soviet Air Force received an average of 2260 planes per month, and for the whole year 25 436 planes were produced in the country. And what is very important, the new Soviet aircraft (IL-2, Yak-7, La-5, Pe-2) were not inferior to German aircraft in their combat qualities. The production of tanks grew rapidly. In 1942, 24 668 tanks were released, including T-34 medium tanks in excess of 50%. In the same year, the Soviet troops received 3237 rocket launcher (Katyusha) weapons, about 30 thousand guns of caliber 76 mm and higher, and 300% increased production of 120% mortars.

    War, as economists say, is a competition of economies. Faced the "advanced", market and planned. What is the result?
    “Even in the days of battles near Moscow and Stalingrad, the party did not forget to demand the implementation of decisions to reduce production costs, the best development of cost accounting and strict adherence to the economy,” recalls Zverev. Thanks to the labor heroism of those who worked in the rear, the cost of production was reduced. In 1942 – 1944, the cost of production in state industry decreased (for comparable products) by a total of 5 billion rubles, that is, by 17,2%. The greatest successes were achieved by military enterprises. Reducing the cost of production allowed more than halving the selling prices for weapons, equipment and ammunition.
    Financing of the troops (as well as their supply) was carried out according to the scheme: center - district - connection - military unit. In June 1941, 4,7 billion rubles were allocated to fronts and military districts. Costs amounted to only 3 billion. Already in 1942, the financial organs of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army managed to fulfill the estimates of the People’s Commissariat of Defense. The following year, the procedure for financial planning was substantially clarified. The limits of budget balances were regularly reviewed. So, the limit determined from 1 on August 1942 of the year for the Western Front to 5,5 million rubles, from 1 on January 1943 of the year was set to 4 million. The decrease is due to the fact that the main military operations unfolded in other areas. South-Western Front reduced the figure from 2 million to 0,6 million; Don Front - from 2,5 million to 0,8 million; The Leningrad Front was raised from 4,5 million to 6 million rubles.
    At the same time, enormous work was carried out on the regime of saving and lowering prices for military equipment. The NPO financial department acted here in close contact with the USSR People's Commissariat of Finance. Joint efforts have yielded exceptional results. As a result of only a skilful revision of the calculation of product prices and a reasonable saving of materials for defense plants, it was possible to save 50,3 billion rubles for the state - a gigantic amount equal to expenses for 138 days of the war! The NPF financial department has shown a useful initiative, striving not only to save the people's penny, but also to spend it most expediently.
    Budget Magazine .ru
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 17 November 2017 05: 29
      0
      The Germans simply did not mobilize their economy for a long time. If they had mobilized it for the 40th year and hadn’t been engaged in all kinds of nonsense like Fau, the vortex guns would have produced the motley armored vehicles and other garbage, the Soviet Union would not have taken it out. Imagine 3.5 million soldiers 6000 tanks the first echelon and the second 2 million soldiers and 5 thousand tanks
  3. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 16 November 2017 06: 55
    +4
    The spiritual, military-political and economic stability of the USSR turned out to be much higher than they thought in Nazi Germany (and in the West as a whole). The “Colossus on Clay Feet” turned out to be in fact a steel titanium capable of withstanding and defeating the most brutal massacre in human history. The Soviet civilization project and the socialist system showed the highest efficiency, and superiority over the "Eternal Reich" - the advanced predatory project of the Western world.

    And yet, what the hell did the Nazis come across against the USSR? (According to statistics, no one has conquered Russia. About the “Mongols” is another story) There were smart people in the German leadership who understood the recklessness of the attack on the USSR. In theory, they would capture most of Europe and, having accumulated resources, fall on Britain or Africa, etc. So think after this - what drives such global historical events.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 November 2017 07: 14
      +5
      What drives Or rather, who? Those who hoped to become beneficiaries as a result of this.! Advised, created the conditions ...... There were articles on this topic.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 16 November 2017 07: 27
      +1
      I already commented on something like this, I repeat again, not to reproach you, because. I agree with you. Hitler was a global adventurer, threw all partners in planetary poker, and ended up like a loser in the smoke rolled.
      1. IGOR GORDEEV
        IGOR GORDEEV 16 November 2017 07: 58
        0
        Quote: andrewkor
        I already commented on something like this, I repeat again, not to reproach you, because. I agree with you.

        Repetition of mother teaching :)

        Hitler was a global adventurer, threw all partners in planetary poker, and ended up like a loser in the smoke rolled.

        ... Along the way, ruining millions of lives. Now there is Sev. Korea and the USA. Most people understand that life is better than death, but there are people you called adventurers. They seem to care little about how many lives their adventures will cost.
    3. BAI
      BAI 16 November 2017 10: 07
      +7
      And yet, why the hell did the Nazis come across the USSR?

      When it became clear that the USSR could not be defeated by famine (the Famine in the USSR was artificially caused by the West, which refused to accept any payment except grain for the price of goods, plus an accident - drought), then the policy of destroying the USSR was revised.
      They began to accept payment for goods normally - in 1934 grain export from the USSR was stopped, but Hitler came to power in 1933 and financing fell on him like a cornucopia: restoration of industry, Olympics, etc. (No isolation and any kind of embargo, plus complete connivance in foreign policy). And he never hid his aspirations to the East.
      Those. The destruction of the USSR by military means was planned.
      Since everything is developing in a spiral, and sanctions aimed at the collapse of the state, we now have, what is next?
    4. Flying Dutchman
      Flying Dutchman 16 November 2017 10: 19
      +5
      Why did Hitler think that he would defeat the USSR, besides relying on military superiority? He believed that he had a trump card: he believed that the Russian peasantry, displeased and tormented by the collective farm system, would be against the Bolsheviks and really hoped for a "fifth column", but ... the "fifth column" in the USSR only came to the fore in the mid-80s ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 16 November 2017 12: 32
        +6
        But there weren’t "tortured on collective farms." And, in general, he did not understand anything, he lived with myths about women, political instructors, and was sickly.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 November 2017 13: 13
        +4
        Quote: Flying Dutchman
        Why did Hitler think that he would defeat the USSR, besides relying on military superiority? He believed that he had a trump card: he believed that the Russian peasantry, displeased and tortured by the collective farm system, would be against the Bolsheviks

        Yeah .... and at the same time, the Reich provided for the preservation of the collective farm system in the occupied territories:
        The Green Folder is Herr Thomas, who is a “military economist,” who composed it. Available in the original in the Bundesarchive / Military Archive. The "economic" measures in the occupied territory are being painted. In particular, from the USSR, in any situation and any mood of the local population, it is expected to receive 2.5 million tons of grain, which the USSR promised Germany from the 1941 harvest and which are already included in the Reich's food balance (without them in any way), 3 million tons of grain per army food (if you drag it from the Reich, there is not enough rail capacity) and about 2 million tons more for Germany’s obligations to Romania, Hungary and others. Total approximately 8 million tons of grain. Herr Thomas did not build rainbow illusions and clearly stated that this plan can only be realized if the current agricultural system is preserved, including mainly in the form of collective farms (if you start extensive experimentation with the forms of ownership, you can drive past the 1941 harvest with songs) and severe non-economic coercion regarding the seizure of grain. It also says that when implementing this plan, millions of indigenous people are expected to starve to death, but the Reich should not be bothered, since the occupied territories are required as a source of raw materials, not a highly developed industrial area, and the peak of mortality will be in industrial areas that and so are not able to provide themselves with agricultural products.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 November 2017 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      And yet, what the hell did the Nazis come across against the USSR? (According to statistics, no one has conquered Russia. About the “Mongols” is another story) There were smart people in the German leadership who understood the recklessness of the attack on the USSR.

      And this Hitler decided to hit the indirect action strategy. smile Since Britain cannot be forced into peace by military force, it is necessary to strike at its possible allies. And for some reason Adolf decided that Britain once again hopes to sign a “Russian steam rink” to fight for its interests.
      The hope of England is Russia and America. If hopes for Russia collapse, America will also fall away from England, since the defeat of Russia will result in the incredible strengthening of Japan in East Asia. [...]
      If Russia is defeated, England will lose its last hope. Then Germany will dominate in Europe and the Balkans.
      Conclusion: In accordance with this reasoning, Russia should be eliminated. The deadline is spring 1941.
      The sooner we break up Russia, the better. The operation will only make sense if we crush the entire state with one swift blow. Just capturing some part of the territory is not enough.
      Stopping action in winter is dangerous. Therefore, it is better to wait, but make a firm decision to destroy Russia. [...] The beginning of the [military campaign] - May 1941. The duration of the operation is five months. It would be better to start this year, however, this is not suitable, since it is necessary to carry out the operation with one blow. The goal is the destruction of the life force of Russia.
      The operation falls into:
      1-th strike: Kiev, exit to the Dnieper; aviation destroys the crossing. Odessa.
      2nd strike: Through the Baltic states to Moscow; later a bilateral strike - from the north and south; later - a private operation to seize the Baku area.

      © Halder. Summary of Hitler's speech on July 31, 1940.
      In short, to avoid a war on two fronts - you need to start a war on two fronts. The only explanation for this insanity was that after the Socialist War, both the military and political circles of the Reich believed that the USSR was a colossus with feet of clay, and the Red Army would be defeated in a couple of months.
      In addition, the defeat of the USSR provided the Reich with a rear inaccessible to RAF and USAAF bombers with food and raw materials for the military-industrial complex. And also there was no need to keep 120-130 divisions under arms, which were supposed to ensure the safety of the eastern borders of the Reich under the existing USSR.
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 17 November 2017 05: 30
      0
      What for they will fall upon England in it there is nothing
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 16 November 2017 07: 33
    +6
    Thus, the Battle of Stalingrad changed the course of the Great Game. There was a radical change in the war.
    ... This is really so .. The West still flakes it from this .. The US battle of Stalingrad is called a "myth", and their rebels claim that a radical turning point occurred at Midway Atoll ..
    1. BAI
      BAI 16 November 2017 10: 25
      +6
      Yesterday I watched the series "Apocalypse. World Wars. World War II. Part One." This is the beginning of the war. Begins in May 1945, Berlin. Where the main point of the episode is the words (as an indisputable fact) about the mass rape of Germans by Soviet soldiers. Then they went directly to the start of the war. Stalin - an accomplice of Hitler (Molotov-Ribentrop Pact), Stalin captured Poland, a joint parade of Soviet and German troops in Brest, personally signed by Stalin an order to execute Polish officers. All are obvious, long-proven things.
      But there was also an interesting moment - the recruits of the French conscript: "We drove to the front with one rifle for two, there was one pack of cartridges for the whole machine, which was not allowed to be opened." (why it was not allowed to open - the question is not for me, I just quote verbatim).
      If about the First World War it was fairly objective and neutral, then about the Second World War, a rigidly set tendency to denigrate the USSR was immediately outlined.
  5. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2017 07: 43
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    How is it in a joke? Grandson asks German grandfather: "Grandfather what is the largest city in the world?" Grandfather: “Probably Stalingrad!” Grandson: “Why?” Grandfather: “We have not been able to walk one street in 200 days!”
    In general, I believe that Volgograd should again become Stalingrad. The word itself has become a symbol of perseverance and courage. In France, in Bordeaux, there is Stalingrad Square. And here, thanks to the wise guy Khrushchev, this word was expelled from everyday life.
    Stalingrad also became a symbol of the last point, beyond which there is nowhere to retreat, otherwise there will be an imminent collapse. Because the enemy will cut the last communications and enter the territory with a lower population density.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 16 November 2017 09: 17
      +3
      So, tolerance is with us. Ramzan Kadyrov cannot be offended, you take it.
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 16 November 2017 17: 37
        +2


        Which one? This one? Yes dearest soul man!
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 16 November 2017 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Stalingrad also became a symbol of the last point, beyond which there is nowhere to retreat, otherwise there will be an imminent collapse. Because the enemy will cut the last communications and enter the territory with a lower population density.

      Exactly.
      Quote: Altona
      In general, I believe that Volgograd should again become Stalingrad. The word itself has become a symbol of perseverance and courage. In France, in Bordeaux, there is Stalingrad Square. And here, thanks to the wise guy Khrushchev, this word was expelled from everyday life.

      Exactly.
      Objections in this matter are only from the descendants of the Vlasovites and the Krasnovites, other collaborators and neo-Trotskyists.
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 16 November 2017 11: 41
      +3
      Libero-aligarchic power in the Russian Federation will never allow this. Stalin is a tyrant and a murderer of millions of Soviet citizens, according to their statements. How is it possible to return the name of the city to his name? They are trying to imitate the bonds of society, praising the victory in the Second World War, but in fact they hate our people, veterans and our Victory. They look to the West, worship the golden calf and preach the commandment of the Saki nonhumans "step on your neighbor's head."
      The battle of Stalingrad is a bone in the throat of the entire liberal bastard in the West and with us. All these Mlechins, Zvididzev, and Mnuevils begin to contort at the mere mention of the name of the great Stalin and the city of his name, which has become a symbol of our Great Victory.
    4. Essex62
      Essex62 16 November 2017 11: 42
      +3
      Libero-aligarchic power in the Russian Federation will never allow this. Stalin is a tyrant and a murderer of millions of Soviet citizens, according to their statements. How is it possible to return the name of the city to his name? They are trying to imitate the bonds of society, praising the victory in the Second World War, but in fact they hate our people, veterans and our Victory. They look to the West, worship the golden calf and preach the commandment of the Saki nonhumans "step on your neighbor's head."
      The battle of Stalingrad is a bone in the throat of the entire liberal bastard in the West and with us. All these Mlechins, Zvididzev, and Mnuevils begin to contort at the mere mention of the name of the great Stalin and the city of his name, which has become a symbol of our Great Victory.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 November 2017 15: 35
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      In general, I believe that Volgograd should again become Stalingrad.

      May 9, 2017, daily news:

      In the morning of the same day Volgograd was still Volgograd, but Leningrad returned. smile
  6. midshipman
    midshipman 16 November 2017 08: 24
    +9
    Readers provide some patriotic expressions in the comments. I want to share. In "VO" I published a documentary about the older Z.G. Kolobanov, who on August 20, 1941 near Gatchina, destroyed 22 fascist tanks, two guns and a group of fascists in battle. So, before the battle, the commander Baranov ordered Z.G. Kolobanov "Stand to the death, but survive" Starley with his crew of KV, this order was executed.
    My father, who created heavy artillery in Leningrad, died on the Leningrad Front on December 27, 1941. I’ll go to his grave soon. His colleagues buried him in a separate grave, and that was in 1941. Think it over. I have the honor.
  7. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2017 10: 14
    +6
    Quote: avva2012
    So, tolerance is with us. Ramzan Kadyrov cannot be offended, you take it.

    ----------------------------
    I can intolerantly say that we have some nations, having in their composition a lot of cowardly people, and even outright traitors, hastily surrendered their territories. Why were the southern regions, Ukraine quickly surrendered? Why did the defense last longer in the north? In the south, warm steppes, just why? Why did Ukrainians, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, offended “Cossacks”, Kalmyks, Chechens and Ingush shoot at the back. Why did the Russians retreat? WHY? Why didn’t my grandfather the Chuvash retreat, my other grandfather Komi-Permyak didn’t retreat? WHY? Maybe that's why many people want to demolish Soviet monuments? Set up all kinds of chapels, paint eagles, stick mosques and churches. To chant the last lascivious bloody faint-hearted citizen of the tsar and his brilliant crystal-baker officers. Who will answer why?
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 16 November 2017 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      WHY? Why didn’t my grandfather the Chuvash retreat, my other grandfather Komi-Permyak didn’t retreat?

      My grandfathers, Ukrainians, didn’t back down. They lied in cheese for the ideals they swore. But those who later sold in bulk and yours, Perm and Chuvash, yes, my Ukrainians, really, WHY and what moved these traitors?
      Quote: Altona
      Maybe that's why many people want to demolish Soviet monuments? Set up all kinds of chapels, paint eagles, stick mosques and churches. To chant the last lascivious bloody faint-hearted citizen of the tsar and his brilliant crystal-baker officers.

      You answered who and why ...
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 16 November 2017 11: 49
        +3
        Thousands of Russian officers laid bones for Vera, Tsar and Fatherland. For the Russian land, worthless Nicky in itself and the memory of the Russian soldiers is holy
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 16 November 2017 12: 37
      +3
      Altona
      Nothing to do with, dear. If we begin to divide nations, and not people into ours and not ours, into good and bad, then how will we differ from those to whom, do you feel anger?
    3. Luga
      Luga 16 November 2017 16: 36
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Why were the southern regions, Ukraine quickly surrendered?

      Not fast. It was in Ukraine that there was the most active and high-quality resistance to the Germans (South-Western Front), Kiev held out until the end of September.
      Quote: Altona
      Why did the defense last longer in the north?

      By the way, Smolensk fell in mid-July, while the Germans were already standing near Luga, near Leningrad.
      Quote: Altona
      Why did Ukrainians, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, offended “Cossacks”, Kalmyks, Chechens and Ingush shoot at the back.

      Both among Russians and among Belarusians there were those who shot in the back. Only among the Jews was not.
      Quote: Altona
      Why didn’t my grandfather Chuvash backtrack, my other grandfather Komi-Permyak didn’t back down?

      My grandfathers (brothers and grandfather's paternal grandmothers), too, out of seven, five did not retreat. Of the remaining ones, he worked the whole war in Germany (15 years when it was stolen), lost his second eye near Leningrad, demobilized. This is Russian, if that. And what, among the retreating in the 1941-42 Chuvash and Komi-Permyaks were not?
      Quote: Altona
      Maybe that's why many people want to demolish Soviet monuments? Set up all kinds of chapels, paint eagles, stick mosques and churches. To chant the last lascivious bloody faint-hearted citizen of the tsar and his brilliant crystal-baker officers. Who will answer why?

      No, that's not why. A return to religious moments, as well as the commemoration of the bummer-Nikolai the Bloody with siblings as saints, are the result of information battles lost during the last thirty years during the big information war. Developing the ideas of nationalism can ruin imperial thinking, instilling the ideas of liberalism can weaken or drown patriotic ideas, depriving people of heroes and slipping nonentities instead, you can determine moral guidelines for the next generation, leading this generation to degradation. And such
      (narrow-minded Natsik, incapable of agreeing with neighbors, selfish, striving for the image of imposed insignificance) we will not bother anyone in the world, we will not hinder anyone.
  8. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2017 15: 16
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    Nothing to do with, dear. If we begin to divide nations, and not people into ours and not ours, into good and bad, then how will we differ from those to whom, do you feel anger?

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    Of course nothing to do with it. Only they can’t fight, they run like sheep if they don’t have a normal skeleton in the unit. Syria is a good example, a good nation, only it cannot keep its country.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 16 November 2017 15: 43
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      I don’t agree either. We know about Syria from TV and the Internet. What is there and how, HZ. The main "specialists" for them are the Israelis. You might think they will tell the truth)).
      About the War, in my opinion, who ran where and who stood to death, it is difficult to say. Who was there, everyone has her own, this war. I think the thesis that there are nations who can fight and who do not have such abilities, so to speak, is viral. Our country is multinational and it is best to split it along ethnic lines. Over the hill, also not id. They are sitting. And, personally, I am suspicious of stable ideas / idioms. Where did it come from? To ask someone, everyone knows that! Nothing like this. Persistent rumors someone is steadily spreading and introducing into our consciousness. And let me be paranoid, but I’m sure that they always beat me up against each other. And what could be more unstable than interethnic relations?
  9. Train
    Train 16 November 2017 19: 08
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    And what is very important, the new Soviet aircraft (IL-2, Yak-7, La-5, Pe-2) were not inferior in their combat qualities

    Here’s a storyteller, I didn’t read further. I won’t have enough of victories and on paper in the form of memoirs
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 November 2017 22: 32
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    The historian is entitled to the version. But about the "leash for Hitler" - this is unproven. The USA and England were albeit insincere, but allies.