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Klim Voroshilov, who withstood the explosion of a ton bomb

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The KV-1 tank earned conflicting ratings. They rightly criticized him for his lack of reliability - the transmission, which could not withstand heavy loads tank. But at the same time, the tank was slightly vulnerable to enemy fire, very tenacious.

The shell is stuck in the tower like a knife thrown into a tree.

Perhaps one of the most striking examples of this kind is in his memoirs, Major General Tank Forces Ivan Vovchenko. In 1942, he commanded the 3 Guards Tank Brigade. It was originally equipped with the HF-2, then the HF-1:

“The situation was such that I often had to leave the command post and sit in KV No. 11385, commanded by Senior Lieutenant Vakhnov, and the driver was the tireless Rogov.

In the midst of battle, our HF took the lead. The artilleryman Abramkin set fire to the enemy machine with two shots. A few minutes later the second German tank broke out. But the enemy shell hit the front of our tank and slipped on the armor. In the periscope, I saw how in the air, like meteorites, hot incandescents flew by. The second shell hit in the right side. This shell is stuck in the tower, like a knife thrown into a tree. From a blow of hail shattered fragments of armor and killed the commander of the car, Senior Lieutenant Vakhnov. Now I commanded a tank. Abramkin hit two more cars, but our tanks were also damaged by enemy guns. Rogov was wounded in the arm. KV stopped. We continued to fight from the spot. All night, the repair team stole near tank number 11385. By morning the tank was ready for battle. Just yesterday, two blanks stuck in his tower. Hundreds of times a tank was scraped by fragments and bullets, there were a dozen dents in it from the fragments of bombs. The armor became rough, like oak bark, so cracked from the blows. However, the car survived. But the crew ... The tank commander, Senior Lieutenant Vakhnov, was killed, the driver Rogov was wounded, but not seriously. On the same morning, tank commander No. 11385 became lieutenant Kuznetsov, and the driver — foreman Sviridenko, replacing the wounded Rogov ”.

The survivability of the tank number 11385 did not cause surprise, the ability of the KV-1 to withstand hitting many German projectiles by 1942 was well known.

There was no tank

But then the tank and its crew experienced a new test:

“Bombers appear again. This time, Yu-88 ... Not far from the observation point, under a lonely tree, stood a heavy tank control brigade commanded by Kuznetsov. There were four more cars near it. Suddenly a huge bomb with a whistle flies right on the tank, and the car disappears into the smoke. When the wind carried smoke and dust aside, we saw only a dry tree. Tank as it was not. I sent a machine gunner to find out what happened there. Meanwhile, the planes, dropping the entire supply of bombs, disappeared. The smoke gradually dissipates. I could not believe my eyes. Under a dry tree from the pit rises gun with a tower. The gun beats in the direction of the enemy. Kuznetsov's tank is alive!

Fight subsided. We go to Kuznetsov. Behind the HF funnel from a heavy bomb. The width of the crater is about ten meters, and the depth is almost five meters. The tank survived because the bomb from the plane does not fly vertically, but at a large angle. She crashed into the ground under a tank and, having exploded, threw out a few dozen cubic meters of earth.

The force of the explosion tank threw and then dropped into the funnel.

Lieutenant Kuznetsov told:

- After the explosion, we all lost consciousness. Gone blood from the nose and ears. When I came to, I heard the moan of the tower. His head lay on my lap. I took out the baclag with alcohol and gave him a little drink. Then the two of us helped other crew members. Rogov started the engine. And only then I noticed that we can not see anything. Like in the cellar. A few minutes later, we realized that the tank had sat down in a deep funnel. Gradually, swinging the car back and forth, we finally pulled it out of the funnel. You can continue the fight ...

- Weathered a thousand kilogram bomb! - I was surprised.
Inspected the tank. The bottom is 40 millimeters thick and was concave in the middle. But the frame, on which the engine is strengthened, stood, did not move. ”

How many tankers of the Second World War, survived such a flight, and after its completion, surviving, could tell the commander about their feelings while doing so? And how many tanks after such an explosion and flight would start the engine?
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 18 November 2017 06: 18 New
    15
    There is no doubt that our tanks at the beginning of the war were stronger in all respects than the German ones. I bow my head in front of our tankmen ..
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 18 November 2017 09: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      There is no doubt that our tanks at the beginning of the war were stronger in all respects than the German ones.

      Yes it is, but, unfortunately, the workmanship left much to be desired, and they were not used rationally and thoughtlessly. On http://waralbum.ru/category/war/east/begin/ there is a photo and description of the battle of two T-34 regiments against one Wehrmacht light infantry regiment. 35 tanks remained burnt on the battlefield, but the village was not taken. The reason is that the tanks were thrown into battle without the support of the infantry, almost all of them were burned with hand grenades, because German 37-mm "beater" were powerless against the T-34, and the other light artillery was not supposed to light infantry .... and so they fought.
      1. 11 black
        11 black 18 November 2017 10: 38 New
        12
        Quote: verner1967
        Yes it is, but, unfortunately, the workmanship left much to be desired, and they were not used rationally and thoughtlessly. On http://waralbum.ru/category/war/east/begin/ there is a photo and description of the battle of two T-34 regiments against one Wehrmacht light infantry regiment. 35 tanks remained burnt on the battlefield, but the village was not taken. The reason is that the tanks were thrown into battle without the support of the infantry, almost all of them were burned with hand grenades, because German 37-mm "beater" were powerless against the T-34, and the other light artillery was not supposed to light infantry .... and so they fought.

        There was such a thing, of course - but it was a war with the strongest army in Europe, and there was no experience of such a war.
        But they also fought like that - September 1941, tanker recollections:

        "Lavrinenko told us this:" I will not return alive, but a mortar company will be rescued. Clear? Forward! We jump out on the tubercle, and there the German tanks, like dogs, snoop around. I stopped. Lavrinenko - hit! According to the heavy tank. Then we see, between our two burning light tanks BT, the German medium tank - they also broke it. We see another tank - he runs away. Shot! Flame ... There are three tanks. Their crews crawl away.
        In 300 meters I see another tank, showing it to Lavrinenko, and he is a real sniper. From the second projectile and broke this, the fourth in a row. And Kapotov is great: his share also got three German tanks. And Polyansky killed one. So the mortar company and saved. And yourself - without a single loss! "
        More than once, the crew demonstrated its resourcefulness. So, 17 November in a battle near the village of Shishkino T-34 Lavrinenko destroyed six enemy vehicles, advantageously using the terrain. The tank was prudently painted in white and in the fresh snow was completely invisible. A moving column of enemy tanks suddenly turned into piles of metal, and the T-34 immediately disappeared into the forest. The next day, the lieutenant’s tank knocked out seven more tanks, although it was itself damaged, in addition, the driver and radio operator were killed.
        During the battle near the village of Goryuny 18 December 1941, Lavrinenko hit his last, 52, tank. Immediately after the battle, he ran to the authorities with a report and, by tragic accident, was killed by a fragment of a nearby mine.
        Dmitry Fedorovich Lavrinenko is the best tanker-ace of the USSR of the Great Patriotic War. The number of equipment destroyed by them is simply amazing. If in two and a half months he could destroy fifty-two tanks, how much would he be able to shoot if it were not for the ridiculous death?
        https://topwar.ru/72670-kak-luchshiy-tankovyy-as-
        sssr-unichtozhil-52-nemeckih-tanka.html
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 18 November 2017 11: 18 New
          0
          Quote: 11 black
          and there was no experience of such a war.

          and
          Quote: 11 black
          the strongest army in Europe

          where was he from?
          Quote: 11 black
          Dmitry Fedorovich Lavrinenko is the best ace tanker of the USSR of World War II

          but who argues with this, but firstly, there were, unfortunately, a few. Secondly, it’s not about ordinary fighters, what claims to them, they did everything they could and even more, the question is about command and control.
          1. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 18 November 2017 20: 57 New
            0
            Quote: verner1967
            Quote: 11 black
            Dmitry Fedorovich Lavrinenko is the best ace tanker of the USSR of World War II

            but who argues with this, but firstly, there were, unfortunately, a few. Secondly, it’s not about ordinary fighters, what claims to them, they did everything they could and even more, the question is about command and control.

            and what is wrong with command and control ???
            Germans couldn’t take Moscow, we took Berlin
            to which managers there may be questions, who "managed" poorly ???
            look at the end result
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              look at the end result

              the end result of more than 27 million losses, the ruined economy of the country ... cheers cheers !! Berlin have taken!
              1. Andrey Skokovsky
                Andrey Skokovsky 19 November 2017 15: 28 New
                +5
                1) 27 million - a liberal lie in support of the myth of "corpses filled up", real losses of about 20 million
                Moreover, the military casualty calculations show that the Germans were 1-1.1 Soviet soldiers at 1.3, if the Germans hadn’t purposefully destroyed our prisoners, then perhaps the bill would be in our favor and not in favor of “noble European integrators”
                the enormous losses of the civilian population are due to the practice of genocide that the Wehrmacht practiced; roughly every fascist managed to shoot at least one more than civilian before dying at the front
                but in your opinion, of course, we ourselves are to blame for the loss of 20 million

                2) "the destroyed economy of the country" - uh .. I apologize for it, too, we ourselves destroyed? and then probably suicidal?
                I recall that the cards in the USSR were canceled earlier than in the "war-torn" England

                You would have pulled up a reputable level of knowledge of history,
                only the EG is a little to say the least, and respect for their own country and the merits of their ancestors will not hurt.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 19 November 2017 18: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  liberal lie

                  it was like 50 million.
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  "filled up with corpses"

                  these words belong to the real, not mythical Viktor Petrovich Astafyev. An outstanding Soviet and Russian writer. Hero of Socialist Labor (1989). Laureate of two State Prizes of the USSR (1978, 1991) and three State Prizes of Russia (1975, 1995, 2003) has gone his way in the army since 1943. And when he says these words:
                  instead of a ceremonial cap, one should put on a schema, kneel in the middle of Russia on Victory Day and ask his people for forgiveness for the mediocre victory of the war, in which the enemy was bombarded with corpses, drowned in Russian blood
                  then I believe him more than the Uriah patriots from the couch troops, because before my eyes are the memories of veterans who fought near Rzhev, crossed the Dnieper, who were surrounded by Myasniy Bor and Vyazma.
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  Moreover, military casualty calculations show that 1-1.1 Soviet soldiers per 1.3 German

                  and who thought? By pieces of paper? Are you sure you counted everyone? Or is the archive for you all? The archive consists of reports that ordinary people wrote, with their weaknesses and shortcomings, and not all reports reached the addressee.
                  I will give you one example ... the 1980s. The Leningrad Archive of the Military Aviation Administration decides to transfer part of its documents about soldiers and officers who died in hospitals and medical battalions to the Podolsky TsAMO. They load piles of cards, lists, etc. into the heaters, designate, as expected, a guard of military soldiers, and go ... Time is winter. Only now they forget to give the guard of guard coal to drown their stoves and bask. A military train is not a passenger train. It goes mainly at night, and during the day stands at a standstill. Thus, this train goes to Podolsk for a week. And so, these creator warriors drown their stoves with papers that they themselves guard. Can you imagine the fate of how many soldiers these animals released into the pipe ???
                  these are the words of a search engine who screams not on the couch, but searches in the field of those who died in that war. http://kubplazdarm.tuapse.ru/avtorskie-rasskazy/i
                  tem / 226-pervichno-zakhoronen.html and this is the full version of how our communist bureaucrats treated the dead.
                2. verner1967
                  verner1967 19 November 2017 18: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  the destroyed economy of the country "- uh ... I apologize for it, too, we ourselves destroyed? And then probably we killed ourselves?

                  I think it’s also not worth scumbling about this, firstly, while retreating, we ourselves have destroyed a lot, aren’t we? and secondly, it was better to fight, so that the enemy would not leave all this
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  I recall that the cards in the USSR were canceled earlier than in the "war-torn" England

                  I already know this without you, but it was already said for the tenth time that the cards were canceled due to the fact that there was nothing to buy them, the state took off this burden before the people, "save who you can." Yes, there were cards in the UK, but no one was dying of hunger there and the cards were for everyone, not just ordinary people.
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  respect for their own country and the merits of their ancestors will not hurt.

                  it does not bother me, although I have it, because I fully understand what it cost my ancestors, Vav, as I understand it,
                  Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                  respect for one’s own country and the merits of ancestors does not interfere
                  for you do not have it. For you, the war was an easy walk, where the victims died one by one (and in 10 years, for people like you, everything will turn out to be in our favor). Study history not from agitation, hiding the head of the tinsel of the slogans “This is all liberals invented”, for a start at least the site "I remember" is strong, there are few slogans, but there is a lot of information.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 18 November 2017 12: 28 New
          +3
          Has anyone hit him more? For the whole war? Or at least as much ... For the same time ...
          1. 11 black
            11 black 18 November 2017 13: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            Has anyone hit him more? For the whole war? Or at least as much ... For the same time ...

            No - the best tank ass of WWII.

            And the strongest army, before the attack on the USSR, captured all of Europe, and even northern Africa - and this is the experience for you. But of course there were military command and control mistakes, what other mistakes ... but who did they make these mistakes?
            Quote: kalibr
            but who argues with this, but firstly, there were, unfortunately, a few.

            I would say that at the beginning of the war there were not many ... there was no experience then, but with each passing month the army grew stronger.
            And mistakes - who did not make them? Yes, if only the Allied landing in 44, one big apotheosis of idiocy ... if not for complete domination in the air - oh, and they would have robbed the Germans, although among them there were worthy warriors. However, the mistakes of their command are staggering no less than ours.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: 11 black
              if not for complete dominance in the air - oh, and they would have robbed from the Germans,

              from these
              Quote: 11 black
              if
              we have 41-42 years and formed, and the ability to manage troops is precisely what these
              Quote: 11 black
              if

              to not allow
              Quote: 11 black
              And the strongest army, before attacking the USSR, captured all of Europe,

              it is said strongly, only if all of Europe had acted as a united front, and so they would have banged them one by one, France was a more or less strong rival. So after this blitzkrieg one could draw conclusions, all the same a year has passed.
              Quote: 11 black
              and even north africa
              Well, of course it’s generally super !!
              The USSR had comparable military operations, participation in wars in Spain, China, direct participation in the war with Finland and Japan, liberation campaigns in Poland and Romania
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 18 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      There is no doubt that our tanks at the beginning of the war were stronger in all respects than the German ones. I bow my head in front of our tankmen ..

      True, there were a few T-34s and HFs, they weren’t really traveled in parts, too much was lost during the retreat after breakdowns or through an emergency (stuck in swamps, etc.). One of the reasons for the failures is 41 - there are too many different techniques, mostly morally outdated, the new one has not really been tested. After the evacuation of production and the beginning of mass production, it became easier, then they learned how to fight.

      If the ISs were still in the 41st, well, the Führer was lucky to be in time, in half a year, a year, our army would certainly not be able to.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Novel 11
        If the ISs were still in the 41st,

        even the more modern tanks wouldn’t help in managing that mess, read about the first use of IP, disheveled them like children, because they were used without infantry support.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 19 November 2017 09: 55 New
          0
          Quote: verner1967
          even the more modern tanks wouldn’t help in managing that mess, read about the first use of IP, disheveled them like children, because they were used without infantry support.

          Impudent lie.
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            1. nPuBaTuP
              nPuBaTuP 19 November 2017 14: 55 New
              0
              and where is it written about the infantry?
  2. Moore
    Moore 18 November 2017 06: 28 New
    +4
    Another example of the fact that in war both miracles and luck save the lives of many. As well as courage and reliable weapons ...
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 18 November 2017 07: 10 New
    +5
    Incredible case.
    1. novel66
      novel66 18 November 2017 09: 50 New
      +9
      absolutely incredible - the Germans had almost no 1000 kg of bombs, even when only two were allocated “Marat”, there was less bomb, which does not beg the feat of designers and tankers
      1. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 18: 17 New
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        when "Marat" drowned only two allocated

        Maybe just just 2 hit?
        1. novel66
          novel66 18 November 2017 18: 52 New
          +4
          allocated two, and one did not hit, well, at least read Rudel
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 19: 28 New
            +1
            Two bombs, presumably weighing 500 kg each, detonated at intervals of a fraction of a second — one somewhat in the nose and the other aft from the foremast. The bomb that hit the bow caused the detonation of the ammunition of the first main-caliber tower. As a result, the tower itself, "jumping", fell into the gap formed by the deck. The nasal superstructure, along with all the fighting posts, instruments, anti-aircraft artillery, the nasal conning tower and the people there, fell on the starboard side, collapsing into the water. A nasal chimney of a characteristic shape fell along with casings of armored grates. The commander of the ship, captain of the 2nd rank P.K. Ivanov, the senior assistant to the captain of the 2nd rank V.S. Chufistov and 324 more were killed. As a result of the damage, the ship, which received 10 tons of water (with a displacement of 000 tons), was completely flooded and lay on the ground near the wall at a depth of 23 m. All artillery was out of order
            This is from Wikipedia ...
            about Rudel it is said that he threw a 1000 kg bomb in Marat .... but did she hit ??
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 22 New
              0
              Quote: nPuBaTuP
              about Rudel it is said that he threw a 1000 kg bomb in Marat .... but did she hit ??

              well, actually it’s only Rudel who got it, from that his career went down
            2. novel66
              novel66 19 November 2017 10: 01 New
              +3
              Well, if you believe Rudel, there were two ton bombs - he and the commander, the commander threw a little earlier and missed, and he (the hero!) pulled the pique and hit, nevertheless, a bastard
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 19 November 2017 18: 20 New
                0
                Quote: novel xnumx
                well, according to Rudel, there were two ton bombs - he and the commander
                I did not dispute this
                Quote: novel xnumx
                and he (hero!) tightened his pique
                he is not a "hero", but an ignoramus, because he had to move away from a collision with the commander, as a result of an incorrect maneuver, to increase the dive angle. He wrote about this in his memoirs. You either did not read them or deliberately distorted them.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 19 November 2017 18: 51 New
                  +3
                  I do not distort, I read for a long time, so it was remembered that maybe I'm wrong request
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 19 November 2017 19: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    I read for a long time, so I remember maybe I'm wrong

                    Yes, you wrote everything correctly, in fact, only the accents were put wrong.
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 19 November 2017 19: 36 New
                      +3
                      well, okay hi
      2. Town Hall
        Town Hall 18 November 2017 19: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        absolutely incredible - the Germans had almost no 1000 kg of bombs, even when only two were allocated “Marat”, there was less bomb, which does not beg the feat of designers and tankers



        The Germans bombed 1000 kg with bombs from the Yu-88?
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 November 2017 10: 08 New
          +3
          Rudel flew u-87
  4. Cadet
    Cadet 18 November 2017 07: 35 New
    +3
    The real heroes are Soviet soldiers.
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 18 November 2017 17: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Cadet
      The real heroes are Soviet soldiers.

      Constructors too good
      1. Cadet
        Cadet 18 November 2017 18: 09 New
        +2
        AND DESIGNERS, WORKERS, COMMANDERS AND SOLDIERS
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2017 07: 41 New
    +3
    However ... a sturdy car ... survived ...
  6. Curious
    Curious 18 November 2017 12: 31 New
    +8
    "The width of the funnel is ten meters, and the depth is almost five meters."
    The dimensions correspond exactly to the dimensions of the funnel from the German five-hundred-kilogram bomb when installing a fuse with a delay.
    1. Cat
      Cat 18 November 2017 17: 44 New
      +4
      500 or 1000? In fact, in 1942, not the Germans nor the allies had a second such serial tank! Moreover, German pilots up to 44 used 25 or 50 kg "HEs" to fight tanks. In the way, like ours. Moreover, before the Battle of Kursk, German tankers preferred to wait out the tank bombing. With the advent of cumulative bombs, they were already quickly hiding in the ditches.
      Now a little about the KV, if objectively its reservation until 1943 was excessive, the transmission is not reliable, the KV-2 often wedged the tower from the “beaters”, the view from both models was inferior to peers, etc. But in general, HF is a symbol of perseverance and courage in the victories of the initial stage of the Great Patriotic War. In terms of survival, he was superior to everyone and everything, moreover, even Stalin in 41 "scribbled" the commander of the Leningrad Front "you have more than all KV tanks." Not for nothing that in their memoirs the fascist generals described with horror the KV attacks “about rabid Russians who switched gearbox speeds with sledgehammers”! So another story about “Klim Voroshilov” is the page of the feat of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
      Well, a bit of irony, how many such cases did the German aces of the Luftwaffe write to themselves in a piggy bank? Perhaps it’s worth cutting the bar of the fascist myth-makers, who have five tanks with one bomb! Especially one-legged with a cross with swords, diamonds and oak branches!
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 November 2017 18: 17 New
        +1
        this is how the fascist generals could see the speed switch by a mechanic driver? and the second question, how was the driver-mechanic in the tank swinging a sledgehammer in order to strike and switch speed? hi
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: faiver
          this is how the fascist generals could see the speed switch by a mechanic driver?

          Directly removed the question from the language))
          1. Shark Lover
            Shark Lover 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
            0
            Quote: verner1967
            Directly removed the question from the language))

            And why see, just try in the trophy. By the way, you try to turn on the first speed or the rear, although you can switch from the first to the second in the recently modern T62 tank)))))) I distilled them, deposited them. So when I turned on the second, the thumb of my right hand was knocked out by the handle. There is such a jolting, which is just right to tell the jack easier to switch. This is already in the 72-ke backstage and hydraulics, and there is mechanics.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 19 November 2017 09: 27 New
        0
        so how do we
        Quote: Kotischa
        fascist mythmakers

        Quote: Kotischa
        worth cutting the bar

        by
        Quote: Kotischa
        which one bomb five tanks!

        or those that
        Quote: Kotischa
        horrifiedly described the KV attacks "about rabid Russians who switched gearbox speeds with sledgehammers"!
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 18 November 2017 17: 49 New
      +3
      The size of the funnel is highly dependent on the soil, but to withstand the close gap of a half-ton bomb is serious. hi
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 November 2017 18: 10 New
        0
        it's not real
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 18 November 2017 23: 08 New
          +1
          Miracles tend to be, although rare enough. hi
  7. Roman 11
    Roman 11 18 November 2017 17: 25 New
    +2
    And how many tanks after such an explosion and flight would the engine start?
    Our battleship Marat, after receiving a 1000-kg bomb, drowned, broke off the stern .... but did the tank survive here?

    Did KV already have nickel supplements? Most likely, otherwise cracked.

    500 kg is also impressive, 250 and even the kraynyak is almost a guarantee. Indeed, how many of our wars this tank saved during the most terrible time.
    1. Cat
      Cat 18 November 2017 18: 41 New
      +7
      Up to 1942, any tank would receive a 10 kg landmine under the bottom. Here we are talking about a bomb per ton or half a ton! Believes not to believe, see above the comment of dear Victor about the funnels. But, what does this change in the courage of our soldiers and the agility of our designers.
      In my life, I have personally witnessed the consequences of several bombings, on the T-72 it’s enough - 30 kg of TNT, BMP-1 - 5 kg. An APC sometimes had a bunch of 1-2 lemons left without a pair of wheels. So that after the bombings in 1 and 2, the Chechen crew continued the battle of a few cases, but they all talk about courage, courage and fraternity. In most cases, if the box in the column was not knocked out, the Czechs fell down. Sometimes it was enough to revive a broken box, the whole battle is over. I simply will not say anything about shell-shock in an enclosed space. In 1996, a bike was told about a T-62 bomb blown up on a land mine, the machine gun of which "came to life" during the battle, frightening those who were in the "green". But when, the tank opened, everyone was dead. At the machine gun coaxial with a gun lay a driver without legs. The legs remained on the pedals in the control compartment.
      Therefore, the debate about the number of explosives in the bomb, I think just stupid, all this feat does not beg!
      I have the honor!
  8. faiver
    faiver 18 November 2017 18: 04 New
    +3
    excuse me for not belittling the heroism of our ancestors, but in this case I think this is a bike ... hi
    I admit that it’s possible from the series when pzIV was confused with a tiger or something else, but it’s not realistic to survive the tank, much less to survive the crew in such a close explosion, at least 1000kg at least 500kg bombs .... hi
    1. Cat
      Cat 18 November 2017 18: 18 New
      +3
      Let them even at a distance of 10 meters in front of the tank. The crew was shell-shocked and the tank slid out of funnel by inertia. Does it change anything?
      Well, the second, where does the Tiger and PzIV?
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 November 2017 18: 21 New
        +1
        Well, the second, where does the Tiger and PzIV?
        it's about the caliber of a bomb

        the tank slid by inertia
        sorry for what inertia? according to the narrative, the tank stood still ....
    2. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 18: 23 New
      +1
      the explosion, as is clear from the story, occurred underground (where the bomb flew into) and a little behind .... so it’s quite real
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 November 2017 18: 32 New
        +1
        according to eyewitnesses, at a close gap of the 152mm OFS caliber, Czech tanks that were armed with the Wehrmacht turned over - the mass of explosives in the OFS 152mm is less than 6kg, the weight of Czechs is 10 tons, and the HE is heavier in 4 times, but the mass of explosives in 500 kg is bigger than 40 ...
        1. nPuBaTuP
          nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 18: 41 New
          +2
          The explosion was under ground and a little behind .... accordingly, the force of the explosion decreased and I think the Chekhov turned over during an explosion in a lateral projection .... and here it’s a little different
          And I would also like to say about the center of gravity ... it is high among the Czechs ...
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 18: 45 New
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            I beg your pardon ... about the explosion in the back ... specially re-read ....
            The tank survived because the bomb from the plane does not fly vertically, but at a large angle. She crashed into the ground under the tank and, exploding, threw several tens of cubic meters of land.
            The force of the explosion tank threw and then dropped into the funnel.

            "A few tens of cubic meters of land" do you imagine? ....
            because everything was normal and it was with the tank ... even the sheet of the 40 mm bottom was simply concave ...
            1. Curious
              Curious 18 November 2017 20: 00 New
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              The depth of penetration of aerial bombs into the soil is affected by the weight, diameter of the largest section, the shape and strength of the hull, as well as the speed of the bombs at the moment of encounter with an obstacle, the angle of aerial bombs and obstacles, and the properties of the environment being destroyed. With an increase in weight and a decrease in the diameter of the bomb, the penetration depth increases, all other things being equal.
              The easiest way to practice the depth of penetration of an aerial bomb into an obstacle is determined by the formula established on the basis of experiments on the island of Berezan in 1908 and called the engineering or Berezan formula.
              1. Curious
                Curious 18 November 2017 20: 02 New
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                According to this formula, the penetration depth and the displacement of the FAB are as follows. Naturally, this is an average value and it can vary significantly in each case. However, it does give an idea of ​​the explosion process.
                1. Curious
                  Curious 18 November 2017 20: 04 New
                  +3

                  A few comments to open the pictures.
                  1. nPuBaTuP
                    nPuBaTuP 18 November 2017 20: 59 New
                    +3
                    So....
                    A bomb from a depth of 5-6 meters navryatli would inflict heavy damage even to Czech women .... maybe it would only turn it upside down ....
                    So the probability that the KV1 crew remained alive is great ...
                  2. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 18 November 2017 23: 23 New
                    +1
                    In addition to the indicated by you, the type and the set deceleration of the fuse affects the deepening of the bomb. hi
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 18 November 2017 23: 50 New
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                      You understand that it was considered, let's say, “the case of perfect penetration”. Some bombs generally had a device that prevented burial into the ground, for example, in the form of a ring.
                      1. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 19 November 2017 01: 07 New
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                        Nothing personal, just supplemented. And of course I understand, especially the difference between theory and practice. Thank you very much for the interesting information. smile hi
  9. magirus401
    magirus401 18 November 2017 19: 40 New
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    absolutely incredible - the Germans had almost no 1000 kg of bombs, even when only two were allocated “Marat”, there was less bomb, which does not beg the feat of designers and tankers

    The Germans had air bombs from 50 to 2500 kg of the main caliber, in 1984 our pyrotechnics neutralized a German woman in the suburbs with a caliber of 1800 kg, conscripts on diploma, two years on the red star
  10. kalibr
    kalibr 19 November 2017 09: 58 New
    0
    Quote: verner1967
    The USSR had comparable military operations, participation in wars in Spain, China, direct participation in the war with Finland and Japan, liberation campaigns in Poland and Romania

    There were, but no experience!
  11. voenpension
    voenpension 19 November 2017 15: 04 New
    0
    Bow to such warriors! Not in the medical unit, but in the battle after this .....
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 20: 25 New
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    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
    look at the end result

    the end result of more than 27 million losses, the ruined economy of the country ... cheers cheers !! Berlin have taken!

    Illiteracy, your attempt to prove yourself in this matter ...
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 19 November 2017 20: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: nPuBaTuP
    So....
    A bomb from a depth of 5-6 meters navryatli would inflict heavy damage even to Czech women .... maybe it would only turn it upside down ....
    So the probability that the KV1 crew remained alive is great ...

    Are you chopping into tanks? You slang WoTovsky ...
  14. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 11 February 2018 10: 32 New
    0
    Now our military equipment also looks good.