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Mikhail Khazin: the image of Stalin is the image of the defender of the people

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Mikhail Khazin: the image of Stalin is the image of the defender of the people



- Mikhail Leonidovich, how would you comment on the current results of the voting on the attitude of our readers to the events of October 1917 of the year?

- Numerous polls that I conducted when I was on the radio station “Moscow Says”, both direct and indirect, showed that the level of support for Stalin’s figure today is about 80% of our population.

Of course, from a formal point of view, these polls seem to be quite controversial, because they are not quite representative, because the listeners "Moscow Says" are already some kind of specific sample, and even more so if we are talking about the listeners of my program.

Voting on TVC, held on the day of the centenary anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, showed that 82% of the polled citizens were approved of the Revolution, but at the same time 90% would not like to repeat it ...

- They gave the second figure there with reference to VTsIOM ...

- …Yes. It should be understood that VTsIOM is an organization that regularly adjusts its results to pre-agreed parameters, plus I don’t know what specific issues there were.

Well, for example, if you ask a question like this: “Do you agree that today, to improve the situation, you need only such a bloody revolution like in October 1917 of the year?”, Then there will be one answer. And if: “Are you ready to participate in the same anti-oligarchic revolution that took place on October 1917 of the year?”, The answer will be completely different.

Note that there is one very important circumstance.

And the civil war, and many other consequences of the revolution, it is not at all possible that they would have occurred regardless of whether the revolution itself happened or not. I remind you that very similar negative events took place in the 90s, after the destruction of the USSR, when the revolution was completely non-communist.

Someone will say that no, there was no civil war ... Well, firstly, it was here and there, and secondly, it must be taken into account that unlike 17, in 90, there were no there was foreign intervention.

By the way, we also lost quite a significant part of the territory along with the population and their economic potential. Note also that it was not the Bolsheviks who started the Civil War, the very same people started the Civil War as in February 17 threw off the Tsar-Father.

In any case, I treat the TVC figure in 82% supporting the October Revolution with confidence, because it corresponds with the figures in support of Stalin.

I draw attention to the fact that support for Stalin is not support historical figures with her real deeds, and this is the support of some already archetypal image, such a strict father of the nation. In general, today the image of Stalin in our country is positive among the population. Moreover, his main emphasis, that is, with what he is associated, is control over officials.

In other words, the people want Stalin, because he believes that he will force officials and oligarchs to submit to society. It should be noted that this one-to-one image fits into the Byzantine concept of Catehon as a defender of the people, including from the arbitrariness of the boyars and oligarchs. That is, in this sense, at the next historical turn, we reproduced the old Byzantine concept, which just tells us that Russia is a deeply Orthodox country.

Due to the fact that it was very interesting to us, how much VTsIOM distorts the real situation, and how truly the survey from TVC is adequate to the situation, we also made our own survey. And they made it more detailed than the questions that were presented at the TVC. And found the following result:

How do you feel about the October Revolution?

“Positively, I think that its repetition is necessary” - 40%
“Positive, I believe that its repetition is possible” - 30%
“Positive, but its repetition is unacceptable” - 15%.

That is, in total, we get 85%. Which very well coincides with the figures of TVC. I note that in any polls of this type, plus or minus three percent is the norm.

That is, in other words, we see that, on the whole, 85% of the population is positively related to the Revolution, but at the same time 15% believes that it would be better not to repeat this.

15% is somewhere around one sixth, one seventh of the population. Approximately another 7% says: “I treat negatively, but objectively I understand that everything goes to the fact that all this will happen again,” then nothing can be done here. And a little less than 6% declares "I treat negatively and believe that this will never happen again."

In a word, there are very few people who reject the Revolution and believe that it should not happen again. Very little. That is, from the point of view of public influence, they do not play any role.

Thus, we see that our survey, the respondents of which, of course, in the audience correlate with something with the group that listened to me at Moscow Says. So, they correlate rather ideologically. But we see that the result is about the same.

People who are interested in their past, in their history, who are inclined to study this story, and not to watch meaningless films on the main channels where the story is today interpreted demonstratively cynically, these people fit into a fairly clear structure.

Approximately 80% of the population understand that the events that occurred 100 years ago in Russia were inevitable. And most likely they will be repeated. But at the same time, about a fifth of them think that it would be better if this were not, while being aware that it is almost impossible to change the historical flow.

The remaining 20% are divided approximately in half. These are people who do not approve of these events, although at the same time, half of them understand that they are likely to repeat, and people who believe that everything needs to be done so that all this does not categorically repeat itself. That's all.

- Then a logical question. What are the dangers for the country poses a situation in which 80% of society is ready to support the revolution, or at least not resist it, given that it is considered that our society is very apolitical now. Does all this carry the risks associated with the fact that some conditional Navalny will pick up the banner of this mood?

- It is necessary to realize that the support of the revolution and active participation in the revolution are two big differences. People, even those who believe that it should be, are passive. for example, if we look at the events of the Civil War, we will see that not many people directly participated in the war, although a lot of blood was spilled. Known stories when Kolchak cut out entire villages in Siberia, simply because he did not like that some people left those villages to go to red.

In such a situation, people for the most part understand that they can become victims. Therefore, they themselves will not stimulate action. But at the same time, if they happen, then this feeling of justice “is so necessary for these freaks,” it will certainly be very strong.

By the way, all attempts to protect, for example, the church, like, the Bolsheviks offended her, - looking at the current behavior of the hierarchs and many other ecclesiastical, we see that the attitude towards them, apparently, was even worse than now. And this is not a consequence of anti-Orthodox propaganda. Anti-church propaganda in the USSR, for example, was very weakly influenced by the Orthodox people’s world view. Exactly because everyone understood its artificiality.

So if we talk about the organization of the revolution today, then people like Navalny cannot organize it. These are people who sincerely want to give the revolution of 91 year bourgeois purity.

They say that a very correct event happened in 91 — a misanthropic communist regime collapsed, and noble bourgeois came to power, but, unfortunately, because of some blunders, including aspiring commies This regime turned out to be corrupt, and for this reason the people do not like it, and the people believe that the problem here is not that people are bad, but simply a bad realization of the ideas of capitalism. Therefore, it is only necessary to restore the virginal purity of these capitalist ideas, expel all corrupt officials, and everyone will be happy.

I draw your attention to the fact that anti-corruption ideas were in February of 17, and then the regime collapsed in less than a year. And in 90, there were two attempts to eliminate this regime. The first was in the 93 year, there was the second - the failed Rokhlin coup, and the election of the 96 year can be remembered. There was, perhaps, an attempt, after the default of 98 year. But she was more passive, and did not receive public support, because Primakov and Maslyakov did not try to fight the government, but tried to change the control system and did not fight with the government.

So, if we look at the situation, we will understand that the people have already understood that it is not necessary to expect anything good, reasonable and eternal, and most importantly non-corrupt, from Russian capitalism. For this reason, if someone initiates a revolution, it will be with strong socialist tendencies, and not with bourgeois ones. Therefore, all attempts by Navalny and someone else to dress capitalism in white clothes will not be supported by society.

These same 80%, which we are talking about in different ways, will support exclusively socialist ideas. And this line gets more and more support in the West.

As the living standard of the population falls, the idea that we need to recall the left-wing conservative ideas that were in the USSR are becoming more and more powerful. It is for this reason that the liberal authorities of Russia have done everything to ensure that the centuries of the October Revolution did not exist and it was not celebrated in any way. What is terrible sabotage from the point of view of Russia's interests, because it would be very easy to raise Russia's prestige and respect for it by properly celebrating this century.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2017 06: 09
    19
    the people want Stalin, because he believes that he will force officials and oligarchs to obey society.


    I won’t speak for others, but in general, in my opinion, that is the right judgment ... who else can stop the presumptuous high-ranking thieves ... and most importantly, break the theft system ... when nothing changes from replacing one thief with another.
    Now, looking at the financial system of RUSSIA and the rampant credit slavery of the population, it’s just terrible ... those who took loans in foreign currency got on really cool ... with any shock to the ruble, they fit into the debt loop like grouse.
    Is this what our state should do ... it's abnormal.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 07: 28
      13
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ... those who took loans in foreign currency got into it very well ... in case of any ruble shock, they fit into the debt loop like grouse

      Someone drove by force? Led on the "freebie, pliiiz", now probably realized that it was not worth it.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Is this what our state should do

      No state should do this. And nowhere else is engaged in this.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      who else can stop the presumptuous high-ranking thieves ...

      Santa Claus...
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      people want Stalin

      And doesn’t people want Santa Claus in the flesh?
      I, if only, are also "people." And around me the same “people” live, work, everyone has problems ... everyone has their own.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it is not normal.

      And here it is (wrote above) - just fine yes
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 16 November 2017 07: 34
        17
        And here it is (wrote above) - just fine


        Fine... smile it will abnormally be silent and agree in everything with the state what it is doing ... you have already begun to contradict yourself.
        No state should do this. And nowhere else is engaged in this.


        You are mistaken ... cheating people by a beautiful wrapper of shit is not welcomed by anyone and luring people with all sorts of beautiful promises by hiding pitfalls on which they can run into ... not without reason bankers in contracts write special circumstances in small print so that the trusting contingent does not read them hoping for honesty of the bank.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 07: 53
          11
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          cheating people with a beautiful wrapper of shit is not welcomed by anyone and people are lured by all sorts of beautiful promises hiding pitfalls ...

          This, sorry, the state of you ... pah ... them, naturally (you, of course, can’t be fooled, you are very promiscuous) cheating?
          Or do you read the agreement (before putting your scribble, such as "signature") lazily (was)?
          I read the answer from you:
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          ... bankers ...

          Oh they creeping bastards laughing
          And after all, everyone writes, but
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          write in small print

          Not, unequivocally: not a contingent of "underreports" wooden, but "bankers" - sv.
          And now the state should help "wooden" belay
          Do you understand what you are writing? wink
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          you have already begun to contradict yourself

          Nah ... you don’t catch up with it request
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 16 November 2017 07: 58
            16
            And now the state should help "wooden"


            Why then do you need it ???
            After all, the main task of the state is to ensure the well-being of its citizens, their normal life, their prosperity or is it not ???
            Or it should take care of the interests of bankers, speculators, thieves ... time after time, people withdrawing deposits abroad, covering it with the imaginary bankruptcy of financial institutions.
            It’s not the fault of ordinary citizens that they were put in conditions of the famous game of cat and mouse ... it’s clear who the fat cats are and who the mice are ... smile
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 16 November 2017 08: 28
              13
              Why then do you need it ???
              Stop talking to the troll.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 09: 42
                +9
                Quote: Gardamir
                Why then do you need it ???
                Stop talking to the troll.

                Gardamir, morning love
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 09: 38
              +9
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              the main task of the state is to ensure the well-being of its citizens, their normal lives, their prosperity or is it not ???

              So, so ... only in clinical cases this does not apply.
              And signing any contract without careful study, there is a clinical case.
              Objections, additions?
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              It’s not the fault of ordinary citizens that they were put in conditions of the famous game of cat and mouse ...

              You know, I was also placed in these conditions.
              And nothing.
              Because I took loans only in extreme cases (and there were enough of such cases), and only when there was a stopudff sure that I would give it back on time.
              And I was taught to read the papers before signing even in the army ... a couple of times I went around - enough. Then he asked the registry office on autopilot, “Why am I signing for?” My wife almost killed, and I had to sign for the fact that I received the rings, safe and sound laughing
              That's the whole recipe ... is it really that complicated? request
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 16 November 2017 10: 22
                +5
                And I agree and disagree. The state is obliged to ensure normal functioning rules in all spheres of the country's life. In the financial sector, it is also to strangle speculators.
                For example, I would just close all these microfinance offices, which are fighting at 700% a year. These are thieves and crooks.
                Whoever takes the loan is to blame? Maybe. BUT! They are OBLIGED to explain to the person what awaits him, and not to palm off fraudulently drawn up contracts and not to say anything.
                Alas, not everyone is economically savvy.
                Personally, I am the enemy of taking loans and feeding crooks-bankers with their predatory interest.
                Therefore, when they bought a new car, just the wife for 3 years saved up the necessary amount and paid in cash, without any overpayments.
                And again BUT! There are all sorts of life circumstances.
                For example, an urgent operation is needed on which life depends and a person goes to a financial organization, and crooks use the plight of people.
                Well, the one who takes a loan, because I want a Mercedes, not a Kia Rio, let it bear all the risks.
                But then again OBLIGED to him, all the data to provide.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 16 November 2017 11: 33
                  +9
                  Alas, not everyone is economically savvy.
                  if only this is the case. an ordinary person does not have to know all the legal and economic subtleties, but in our state there is freedom of deception. and the crooks are not judged
                  As for loans, see what unbridled advertising. not everyone can stand it.
                  1. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 17 November 2017 09: 46
                    +2
                    That's right. There's nothing to argue about.
          2. long in stock.
            long in stock. 16 November 2017 10: 51
            +6
            Well, so try for example presenting the bill of the utility company for the work not done .. even if you carefully read the contract. you will find terrible disappointment .. moreover, it’s in government structures.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 16 November 2017 08: 22
        10
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        ... those who took loans in foreign currency got into it very well ... in case of any ruble shock, they fit into the debt loop like grouse

        Someone drove by force? Led on the "freebie, pliiiz", now probably realized that it was not worth it.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Is this what our state should do

        No state should do this. And nowhere else is engaged in this.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        who else can stop the presumptuous high-ranking thieves ...

        Santa Claus...
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        people want Stalin

        And doesn’t people want Santa Claus in the flesh?
        I, if only, are also "people." And around me the same “people” live, work, everyone has problems ... everyone has their own.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        it is not normal.

        And here it is (wrote above) - just fine yes

        And why the heck do we have such a state and power? The task of any normal state is to create conditions for the activities and life of the people! And do not hide behind your "environment with the people." You yourself obviously do not feel like a people.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 09: 41
          +9
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          You yourself obviously do not feel like a people

          She’s quite even feeling herself ... That's just from the electrics, from the vestibule. It is called - "feel the elbow of a friend ... in your side" laughing
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          The task of any normal state is to create conditions for the activities and life of the people

          If you are talking about loans, then everything is honest. Do not want to - do not take it, typed - do not cry. Sam scored patamushta.
          If "in general" - then, excuse me - be your own doctor, I’m not your mother ... and the state, by the way, yes
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 16 November 2017 10: 02
            +7
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Sorry - be your own doctor, I’m not your mother ... and the state, by the way,

            What kind of verbal balancer are you ... repeating the dogma of monetarists, our market is fse? The state is out of their economy? Loans to the population under Ahov's interest? What’s the population there, loans and production, then not small, is that a competent policy?
            The lack of money in the economy is akin to the lack of blood in the body, what are you trying to talk about?
            BANKS in the country are not a means to the development of the economy, but a means of pumping blood from the country. With pumping abroad.
            Explain to yourself at your leisure, why in the Czech Republic, Sberbank loan to the Czech at 3 percent, and in Russia at 18,9?
            And now the question is: how should we “love” us so that our money can be given to us at least at 18%, and to the whole world against whom we supposedly imposed sanctions at - 2.26%. What will German Gref say?
            https://zergulio.livejournal.com/2215409.html
            But the proposal of Sberbank, or rather, its Czech daughter, on consumer credit for Czech citizens:
            http://www.kramola.info/vesti/vlast/ipoteka-pod-2
            -ot-sberbanka-dlja-naroda-chehii
            It is all about organizing the financial system of each country. The subsidiaries of Russian banks abroad are controlled by the regulator of the country in which they conduct business, and not under the control of the Central Bank of Russia. For example, if a bank is located in Germany, then its activities are regulated by the European Central Bank (ECB). He also borrowed money from the ECB at the rate of the European regulator, which at the moment is 0,05%. To this rate, any commercial bank adds the costs of running its business and makes adjustments for inflation. It should be noted that the inflation rate in the EU is very low. For example, in 2015 it amounted to only 0,8%, and in 2014, deflation was completely recorded at the level of -0,31%. For comparison, inflation in Russia at the end of 2015 was almost 13%. In other words, receiving financial resources from the regulator, European banks put in the cost of credit only the costs of running their own business. This means that they can give loans to the population and their enterprises at a low rate of 2-4% and remain profitable.
            The question is whether our quasi-economists and gorefinanists are professional, or as they say, in the eyes ... God's dew, and how the population is writhing in it, it’s not interesting, the main thing is the profit with taking them abroad and putting Fed-ups in unnecessary ones.
            https://versia.ru/pochemu-v-rossii-nelzya-vzyat-i
            poteku-pod-3-godovyx
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 10: 04
              10
              Quote: badens1111
              badens1111

              Scrap off. I do not feed trolls stop
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 16 November 2017 10: 10
                +9
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Trolls

                You yourself are them, therefore you would be silent for a while, your fuss in the business of talking about any issue is known, as well as ignorance of some things for which you later apologize ...
                You have nothing to answer. Contrary to the facts, you .. where are there ..
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 10: 31
                  10
                  Quote: badens1111
                  badens1111

                  But what an affectionate one I got ... I explain again, for the gifted:
                  1. To argue with the training manual is counterproductive. And you have a training manual, alas ...
                  2. Your opinion about me ... well, it is very important for me wink
                  9. When writing, do not forget to insert IMHO. This is good advice.
                  All. I will not feed anymore, call request
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 16 November 2017 11: 18
                    +7
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    To argue with the training manual is counterproductive.

                    Well, yes, you involuntarily exposed yourself.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Your opinion about me ... well, it is very important for me

                    I am glad for you that right after your last message you were lost somewhere.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    When writing, do not forget to insert

                    Well, you yourself recommend it.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    I will not feed

                    You have already been fed, calm down. Assimilate and digest previously inaccessible and unpleasant information for you.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 16 November 2017 12: 17
                      +4
                      Think digest? Stake such information arises for them.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 17: 44
                        +8
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Think digest? Stake such information arises for them.

                        What kind of information, sorry?
                        Another cry Yaroslavny badens1111 on the theme of "robbing, rob"?
                        So this is not information, this is white noise, I'm sorry ... not even green laughing
                        PS: illiteracy of local analytes out of sometimes strikes from a sofa request
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 16 November 2017 22: 17
                        +1
                        Yes ... you are right, in the morning he digested, but he did not learn anything.
                        Apparently a bank employee ...
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 17 November 2017 04: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: badens1111 Apparently a bank employee ...

                      Yeah, literate. Not that we are gray. Creative class. Understands everything at the master or high-level level. Level Cap of political science, sociology, psychology and interpopulation relationships of office plankton. Guru pickup and handicap, populism and behaviorism. Hero of Scandinavian folklore, ordinary.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 06: 27
                        +7
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Guru ... of populism ...

                        Well, I can’t reach you here laughing
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Apparently a bank employee

                        Quote: avva2012
                        Yeah, literate. Not that we, gray

                        Anecdote recalled:
                        Knock on the door: knock-knock-knock ...
                        - Who's there?
                        - KGB!
                        - What do you need?
                        - Talk!
                        “How many of you are there?”
                        - Two.
                        - Well, here and talk ...

                        Thank you, you made me morning good
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 16 November 2017 10: 36
              +8
              They are not professionals, but crooks. It has long been said that since the Central Bank is independent and does not obey the state, create a State Bank in which accumulate the necessary funds and issue loans for specific projects that can be tracked at 5-7%. And then no one will go to commercial banks. Or let them also reduce interest or go broke. Greed must be treated.
              I understand that this is not naive, because with the current bureaucratic army, they will certainly begin to try to cheat with these loans.
              But you need to do something, you can’t expect officials to be tormented by conscience and they will start to care about state interests, and not about their own pockets.
              A simple example, now we are participating in a project that is being funded from the state budget.
              We are subcontractors. So now it’s mid-November, and the contractor didn’t get a dime from the budget! The project is not frozen. The question is - where is the money zing?
              The contractor does not receive money, does not pay us, and other "sub-subscribers", we do not pay our suppliers. We finance this order by cross-financing at the expense of other orders, hoping that the money from the budget will nevertheless arrive soon and close all debts.
              And if not? Then bankruptcy and people on the street.
              And I know that this is not the only case.
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 16 November 2017 10: 57
                +6
                this is not just a single case, but a constant system. I have long been sworn to contact government orders. Not only is funding unstable, so every snout requires money to be given to him ... with the churchmen, by the way, too. But there is more emphasis on charitable behavior .. . Make it cheaper, you will be counted ..
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 17 November 2017 09: 53
                  +2
                  About "not the only case" I just softened it. But in fact, this is really a system.
          2. FID
            FID 16 November 2017 13: 20
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            If "in general" - then, excuse me - be your own doctor, I’m not your mother ... and the state, by the way,

            Then why do I need this state (as an organization) ????
            1. AUL
              AUL 16 November 2017 21: 33
              0
              I join the question - why the (vegetable) me such an organization, from which I do not care (at least)?
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 November 2017 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        people want Stalin
        And doesn’t people want Santa Claus in the flesh?

        Listen to Khazin-do not respect yourself: remember his forecasts that in 2009 millions of unemployed will run around Moscow, and all of Eastern Europe will plunge into the abyss of severe hunger lol
        Since then, no one takes him seriously, so he rushes about, looking for his niche.
        By the way, he is a loyal ally and employee of the EBN and Gaidar in the field of economic "reforms" of the 90s.
        So his predictions about social. I read the revolution with optimism: nothing will happen, like everything that he predicted. lol
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    2. iouris
      iouris 16 November 2017 12: 10
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      and most importantly break the theft system ...

      This means changing the goal of social production, creating an organization and a management system to achieve this goal, i.e. change the existing system.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 16 November 2017 13: 28
      +1
      If the revolution of 1991 changed the state system, then it must be properly called counter-revolution.
  2. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 16 November 2017 06: 18
    18
    I draw attention to the fact that support for Stalin is not support for the historical figure with its real deeds, but support for some already archetypal image, such a strict father of the nation ... Moreover, his main emphasis, that is, with what he is associated, is control over officials ... In other words, the people want Stalin, because he believes that he will force officials and oligarchs to obey society.

    Very well said! good Today, the majority of Russia's population at the head of the country wants to see a man who looks like Stalin, and not this pathetic parody of the "father of the nation":
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 16 November 2017 06: 22
      +5
      You need to make a movie about him - cartoon wassat "wedge-boy in the Kremlin" !!!! wassat
      1. Med_Dog
        Med_Dog 16 November 2017 17: 09
        +1
        A film has already been made about him, you know who.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 November 2017 07: 07
      +4
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      and not this pathetic parody of the "father of the nation":

      Wait, he’ll be put forward for the second time! laughing
      1. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 16 November 2017 10: 40
        +6
        Quite possible. At least he himself voiced such plans. And I am very afraid that there will be those who vote for him and choose. There are many more naive and stupid ones.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 November 2017 17: 24
          +2
          Quote: Tula gingerbread
          And I am very afraid that there will be those who vote for him and choose.

          Me too, for the election of DAMA as president will almost completely lead to the Maidan. For all the power in the country rests only on the authority of Putin. hi
          1. AUL
            AUL 16 November 2017 21: 37
            0
            Yes, my friend is full of you! Who doesn’t understand that our “guarantor” is just a puppet in the playful hands of the “elite”!
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 November 2017 07: 38
              +2
              Quote: AUL
              just a puppet in the playful hands of the "elite"!

              The bulk of the electorate is not up to date. request
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 November 2017 06: 20
    +7
    I wish that truthful films about the war were made, and not near-war science fiction such as "run-gothiger" fool !
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 November 2017 06: 36
    13
    of course terrible wrecking,
    Yes, the Parade was in honor of the Parade, and not in honor of the 100th anniversary of the Revolution. Forgetting that the Parade of 41 years was in honor of the Revolution!
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 16 November 2017 07: 41
    11
    It appears that the revolution of 1917 was to be the end of Russia, it should have been divided by Western countries, there is a lot of evidence of their active participation, but thanks to a sense of justice in the Russians, our understanding that the common is higher than the personal, respect for the rights of other peoples, we are not burned in the fire of the world revolution, and created the Soviet Union with its advantages and disadvantages. In the 90s, the next stage of the attack on Russia was passed, they instilled in us false values ​​and rules of conduct without explaining some details. It seemed to us that the adoption of new, fair, in accordance with our ideas, values ​​will allow everyone to live in harmony, sharing production and honestly competing with each other. But no, we are allowed to compete while we are weaker, only where we gain strength there, the competition ends. What is happening now, the same as one hundred years ago, preparations are underway for a revolution. Inadequate decrees are issued annoying the people, those who are not guilty are tried and imprisoned, and those guilty are released. Previously, riots were due to bread; now they will be due to gasoline. The authorities from our point of view make inadequate decisions. Only mass protests and levers of influence are needed (children, accounts abroad ....) and power can be demolished as in Ukraine.
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 16 November 2017 07: 52
    +1
    All these polls and all these% are fraud, and VTsIOM and TVC, as the author immodestly said, are not quite adequate, and the author’s "correct" ...... we also did our survey so ridiculous.
    1. Med_Dog
      Med_Dog 16 November 2017 17: 12
      0
      Here people believe in 86% of Putin’s policy support. Who are you crucifying to?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 16 November 2017 17: 56
        0
        Quote: Med_Dog
        Who are you crucifying to?

        In front of you.
  7. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 16 November 2017 09: 02
    +4
    Can I clarify the protector of which particular people? Georgian?
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 16 November 2017 09: 48
      +7
      Quote: Dzmicer
      Can I clarify the protector of which particular people? Georgian?

      Well, not yours, with the clear name of "small people", regardless of real nationality, forever shitting on the people.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 16 November 2017 11: 01
        +4
        Your “people” are unfortunate Soviet people, deprived of national self-identification and national feeling, who have been marred from love and beauty, accustomed to unquestioning obedience to state power, whatever it may be, and all-consuming hatred of all those who have this power (anti-people essence) calls enemies?
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          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 16 November 2017 12: 24
            +4
            This is just Goebbels propaganda.

            You drink water, right?
            Do you know who else drank water ?!
            Goebbels !!!
            1. siberalt
              siberalt 16 November 2017 13: 37
              +4
              Stalin has already gone down in world history as the Great Ruler of a Great Country. But it seems that he did not uproot all liberoid rot.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 16 November 2017 13: 50
                +4
                Great ruler of a great country

                Great only in the meaning of Russian blood shed through the fault of the Bolsheviks.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 16 November 2017 14: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  Great only in the meaning of Russian blood shed through the fault of the Bolsheviks.

                  You precisely follow Goebbels propaganda patterns.
                  They tell the truth when they write liberalism to its extreme degree is always Nazism, but who set up propaganda there, it is known. Dubious Goebbels laurels do not give rest?
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 16 November 2017 14: 28
                    +4
                    It’s something in the Russian Federation that no liberal, that the grandson of the red executioner with his hands to the elbow in Russian blood. Neither you nor the liberoids with their ancestors, because of the Pale of Settlement (yours, by the way, will not be from the same place? That would explain a lot) accuse me of propaganda of anti-Russian hatred ideologies. What are you, that Katz, Shatz, Albats and Svanidze with Chkhartishvili are all the same internatist Russophobic anti-Russian tribe.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 16 November 2017 14: 50
                    +1
                    Vlad, this is not a liberal, this is from the outskirts. I don’t understand why, are you wasting time?
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 16 November 2017 15: 17
                      +2
                      trident upbringing? similar in style ...
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 16 November 2017 15: 55
                        +1
                        Yes, ideological. Do you think we have none? In bulk. Not one fsbeshnik from Vladik all over the country? He, at least, really went to war, and in this case, a sofa.
                    2. Dzmicer
                      Dzmicer 16 November 2017 15: 31
                      +5
                      Smolensk - Outskirts? I guess, yes. As in the 17th century. Thanks to the Bolsheviks for this, a little over a hundred years ago the Kingdom of Poland was the outskirts.
                    3. badens1111
                      badens1111 16 November 2017 22: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      this is not a liberal, this is from the outskirts

                      Tyu .. fuck radish is not sweeter (proverb, garden plants are mentioned). laughing
                      That liberals, that ruin kids, all are one ... They don’t know anything, they believe myths, they write gossip and they themselves believe ..
                2. siberalt
                  siberalt 16 November 2017 15: 19
                  +3
                  All people have red blood, and liberods have blue blood. From that, piderasts in Europe have grown, like the last stage of a man "upright"laughing
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 16 November 2017 15: 32
                    +2
                    Did you know that pronounced homophobia is a sign of passive homosexuality?
                    So characteristic of lovers of a strong hairy Georgian hand wink
                    1. siberalt
                      siberalt 16 November 2017 15: 35
                      +3
                      You seem to know better which of you is passive and who is active. laughingYes, only on the "VO" to treat such as sick freaks. There is no phobia. Normal squeamishness.
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 16 November 2017 15: 40
                        +5
                        I did not raise this topic) Which is not surprising, because Soviet everyday culture is thoroughly saturated with camp homosexuality.
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 16 November 2017 15: 59
                        +1
                        Sorry, but I do not agree, again. Yet either sick or. laughing You can help the patient laughing, and hunchback .... correct. Joke.
        2. iouris
          iouris 16 November 2017 12: 16
          +2
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Your "people" are unfortunate Soviet people

          This is just Goebbels propaganda. Tired of it.
        3. badens1111
          badens1111 16 November 2017 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Your "people" are unhappy Soviet people, deprived of national self-identification and national feeling,

          That's right? Therefore, in the Soviet passport they proudly wrote their nationality, but in yours. Are you bashfully silent about it?
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Having accustomed to unquestioning obedience to state power, whatever it may be, and all-consuming hatred of all those whom this power (essentially anti-people) calls enemies?

          You and power, the essence of antonyms, you and power are blood, destruction and poverty, so take away your liberal fantasies, ascribing to others what they are not guilty of.
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 16 November 2017 14: 33
            +4
            That's right? Therefore, in the Soviet passport they proudly wrote their nationality, but in yours. Are you bashfully silent about it?

            For effective discrimination of the Russian population, of course.
            You and power, the essence of antonyms, you and power are blood, destruction and poverty, so take away your liberal fantasies, ascribing to others what they are not guilty of.

            Then where were you in 1991 when the communist renegades dragged Russia to their party lands? Why didn’t anyone rebel when the great and indestructible Soviet Union was destroyed by a simple stroke of a pen?
            Most likely at home. Because it was all done by the state authorities, which the Soviet people are absolutely obedient to, no matter what crime she committed.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 17 November 2017 18: 33
              0
              Quote: Dzmicer
              For effective discrimination of the Russian population, of course.

              Therefore, about how to remove the nationality of the column, yours, screaming from the "small people", mainly those who have long fled to Israel?
              Quote: Dzmicer
              Then where were you in 1991 when the communist renegades dragged Russia to their party lands?

              Democratic, or rather, your shifters, who have never been communists. The presence of cardboard is not a reason to consider them as such, but in the aggregate of what is done, they are your gang.
  8. pepel
    pepel 16 November 2017 13: 05
    +4
    “As the living standards of the population fall, the idea that it is necessary to recall the left-wing conservative ideas that were in the USSR is becoming more and more reinforced. It is for this reason that the liberal authorities of Russia did everything to ensure that there are no centuries of the October Revolution and it doesn’t It’s certainly terrible wrecking from the point of view of Russia's interests, because it would be very easy to raise Russia's prestige and respect for it by properly celebrating this century. "- One hundred and first anniversary will be celebrated as it should be GREAT HISTORICAL EVENT. The liberals in this battle will still lose.
  9. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 16 November 2017 15: 42
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    You yourself obviously do not feel like a people

    She’s quite even feeling herself ... That's just from the electrics, from the vestibule. It is called - "feel the elbow of a friend ... in your side" laughing
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    The task of any normal state is to create conditions for the activities and life of the people

    If you are talking about loans, then everything is honest. Do not want to - do not take it, typed - do not cry. Sam scored patamushta.
    If "in general" - then, excuse me - be your own doctor, I’m not your mother ... and the state, by the way, yes

    Yes, everything is clear with loans, I also think that it is a private matter for everyone to take it or not. I mean, the authorities have withdrawn from the leadership of the country! Under the guise of neoliberalism lies only a reluctance to serve the country and people! For some reason, the Kremlin thinks that the main task of the authorities is to collect taxes and distribute cash flows, and in favor of the oligarchs!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 November 2017 20: 16
      +2
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      The task of any normal state is to create conditions for the activities and life of the people
      Yes, everything is clear with loans, I also think that it is a private matter for everyone to take it or not. I mean, the authorities have withdrawn from the leadership of the country! Under the guise of neoliberalism lies only a reluctance to serve the country and people! For some reason, the Kremlin thinks that the main task of the authorities is to collect taxes and distribute cash flows, and in favor of the oligarchs!
      It just seems like a private matter. The system is always stronger than one person. If the system is profitable for people to take loans ---- all conditions will be created for this. A qualified consumer will be created. And what to consume? And PR specialists are working on it. There are articles on this topic. How to push a person to the necessary actions, so that he believes that he has decided everything. That's what !!!!
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 16 November 2017 20: 40
        +7
        Quote: Reptiloid
        There are articles on this topic. How to push a person to the necessary actions, so that he believes that he himself decided everything

        Correction: people "push", of course, you can. But he decides what to do, he himself is yes
        And the guys who scored loans for plasma-mafia and other fine sticks ... and even to apartments, without considering how to give it back - I personally do not mind a drop.
        Evil Buratins themselves.
        Quote: Reptiloid
        It just seems like a private matter

        No, it doesn’t. Either you are a person, and decide for yourself, or decides for you ... "system" laughing
        There is no third.
        And those Vegetables from the garden fruits, for which the "system decides", then weep in Tyrnetakh and call for barricades. Knowing obviously that it will not lead to anything. And even if it leads - they themselves will not go there - "really treba."
        That something like this.
        PS: Germans greetings from Amstaff fellow
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 November 2017 02: 02
          0
          Yeah, I can’t get the three out at the same time. Sadness.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 17 November 2017 08: 44
        +1
        Believe me, it just seems that the system is stronger than a person. However, the experience of the October Revolution showed a completely different thing. Believe me, the authorities and the oligarchs are very afraid of popular unrest and uprisings, therefore, their specialists are launched here, including on the site, not to mention their presence on TVs.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 17 November 2017 09: 27
          0
          Do not flatter yourself. The system is always stronger than man! Not wanting to agree and acknowledge this fact, you will fall into a trap elsewhere. But you need to know this and watch carefully, only attention to a predator will help you protect yourself. There is a term - they just did not fit into the market. THIS is the covenant of the system.
          The experience of the GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION has shown that the union of the proletariat is effective.
          In this model of the system, all participants follow a “closed path”.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 17 November 2017 09: 44
            0
            Believe me, I do not have such a bad habit of seduction. Do not flatter yourself and there will be no disappointments, this is one of my mottos. The absence of victim behavior and unwillingness to play according to the rules of the enemy will save the predator. In mass
            Of course, the system may be stronger than man, but there are frequent exceptions.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 17 November 2017 10: 17
              0
              In fact, the system deceives us here and there. But not to death, and we do not think about it ... The system simply cannot simultaneously kill everyone. Only in parts. What happened in the 90s in civilian life. And in different ways now, but gradually.
  10. 1536
    1536 16 November 2017 16: 44
    0
    I.V. Stalin personifies the rule of law, order and justice among the people. Although hardly anyone today really remembers how he lived "under Stalin." However, the fact that during the time of Stalin they planted "reborn" party members, stealing or negligent leaders regardless of rank, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the State Security Service really fought crime and spies, when the phrase "party card on the table" was perhaps the end of a person’s life, great kept from all sorts of temptations (read corruption, theft and ordinary sloppiness). That time was already overgrown with myths, and life itself in those years began to acquire mythical features in the minds of the people. And this is deftly fueled by all kinds of “researchers” and political scientists who accuse the people of craving for the servile worship of the leader, lack of initiative and the presence of all-consuming slavish submission. Forget only one thing: the presence or absence of private property in people. When I.V. Stalin's private property in its current understanding was not and could not be. So let all these sociological offices ask citizens of Russia whether they agree to renounce their private property and do everything in the country as it did under Stalin? (And this applies not only to cars, for example. Under Stalin, units of citizens owned cars. This applies to everything.) 100% will answer “No!” But if 80% answers “Yes”, well, then it is really not too late to return everything back, including canceling private ownership of apartments, land, other real estate, etc., etc. , the possession of which warms the soul so much as I.V. You can dream of Stalin.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 16 November 2017 17: 28
      +3
      Private property: Belly, lovely belly.
      If you know that realtors cannot take your apartment away, if you know that your children will have a roof over their heads, then a ten-year-old Japanese car in private ownership does not seem to be something you cannot refuse. And if you add to the fact that your children can get any education, provided that they have oil in their head, then the three-room apartment is improved for which you pay a tax, a communal apartment, and it may be state-owned.
      Well, and for those who are now driving a BMW-X6 and other, more prestigious models to the level of Mozeratti, they can say they can make money on the Volga or Lada, but they don’t come to them ..... then they agree to a Stalinist costume.
      Those who are from Moseratti and above, there are not so many of them, as usual, which means that statistical error can be ignored. That is, labor for the benefit of society has not yet harmed anyone.
  11. yehat
    yehat 16 November 2017 17: 35
    +4
    Moreover, his main emphasis, that is, with what he is associated, is control over officials.

    not just over officials. Under Stalin, absolutely everything was responsible - from the People's Commissar of Industry to the lieutenant of the NKVD, from the collective farmer or worker to the head of the party department or the head of the enterprise.
    Remember Kamenev and other figures. This was the merit of Stalin. And only after his death, the "elite" began to break through various kinds of benefits assigned to them, such as pensions, summer cottages, etc.
    Nowadays, few people recall that it was under Stalin that high standards of life were laid - look at the stalin, look at the nomenclature and quality of the things produced. These were difficult tasks and tremendous efforts were required to achieve them. The USSR returned to social security at the level of Stalin’s requirements only by about 74-78 (I don’t remember exactly) and then not for long.

    Many scolded Stalin for his methods. But only few people see that of all who surrounded him, Stalin was almost the most humane. There was such a time - the legacy of the civil war, such people. In fact, only the war with Germany and the next 5 years finally put an end to the civil war.
  12. NordUral
    NordUral 16 November 2017 22: 53
    0
    I will say more simply: socialism or death, that of a country, that of a people. And it was Stalinist socialism.
  13. siberalt
    siberalt 17 November 2017 01: 31
    0
    Dzmicer,
    Any camp culture includes "love through the anus." But it seems that you are closer to the Soviet? laughing
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  14. avva2012
    avva2012 17 November 2017 07: 07
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: avva2012
    Guru ... of populism ...

    Well, I can’t reach you here laughing
    Quote: badens1111
    Apparently a bank employee

    Quote: avva2012
    Yeah, literate. Not that we, gray

    Anecdote recalled:
    Knock on the door: knock-knock-knock ...
    - Who's there?
    - KGB!
    - What do you need?
    - Talk!
    “How many of you are there?”
    - Two.
    - Well, here and talk ...

    Thank you, you made me morning good

    You are welcome. But subsequent consultations on the profile are no longer free.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 17 November 2017 07: 46
      +7
      Quote: avva2012
      You are welcome

      What for? Do you take rhetoric lessons from you? Nafignado ...
      Religion does not interest me, I know firsthand about the Stalin era, with health, like, order ...
      What can you interest me with?
      Yes, nothing. Communicate with your partner, how is it there? Baden-Baden, or what? recourse
  15. avva2012
    avva2012 17 November 2017 08: 01
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: avva2012
    You are welcome

    What for? Do you take rhetoric lessons from you? Nafignado ...
    Religion does not interest me, I know firsthand about the Stalin era, with health, like, order ...
    What can you interest me with?
    Yes, nothing. Communicate with your partner, how is it there? Baden-Baden, or what? recourse

    Watched
  16. uskrabut
    uskrabut 17 November 2017 12: 05
    +1
    Stalin is the standard of the country's leader. There was no one before or after him who could compare with him.
  17. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 November 2017 14: 29
    +1
    No wonder. After all, every fourth Russian (24%) claims that he had never heard of political repression in the USSR in the 30-40 of the last century. This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted by the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM). http://qoo.by/2YUC

    According to sociologists, among young people (from 18 to 24 years), the number of such people is even higher - 46% of respondents know nothing about the bloodiest period in the country's history. In the 25-34 age group, there are fewer of them - 36%, 35-44 of the year - 28%. The most knowledgeable turned out to be citizens of the country 60 years and older - who had not heard anything about the Stalinist purges of the “whole” 13%.
    The fifth part of the population (22%) believes that the repressions were “initiative from below”, 2% believe that the punishments were deserved, 38% are sure that only half of the repressed people in the USSR were condemned unfairly. 11% of respondents believe that almost all were persecuted illegally.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 18 November 2017 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      No wonder.

      The history of the USSR is the history of one country ....
      The history of the Holocaust is the history of one people spread across the globe, with concentration on Long Island and on the patch of the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 November 2017 15: 30
        +2
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The history of the USSR is the history of one country ....
        The history of the Holocaust is the history of one people spread across the globe, with concentration on Long Island and on the patch of the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.

        I see that they don’t eat bread for nothing in VTsIOM. Here is the real confirmation.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 18 November 2017 15: 31
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          in VTsIOM they don’t eat bread for nothing. Received real confirmation.

          Do not rivet on tsioma and livadi ..... I do not want to hit the sore spots .... wassat
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 18 November 2017 15: 35
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Do not rivet on tsioma and livadi ..... I do not want to hit the sore spots ....

            I understand that you can not argue with anything intelligible. In this case, I do not dare to delay more. hi
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 18 November 2017 20: 22
              +2
              Quote: A. Privalov
              In this case, I do not dare to delay.

              Does the delay work? Or so, anything to blurt out?
  18. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 19 November 2017 08: 06
    0
    Stalin is the leader of the USSR socialist state. What can Stalin do in capitalist Russia? Or back to socialism? Then why do so few vote for the Communists? We don’t want to understand socialism like that, but we want Stalin. Maybe our deputies need to change the criminal code in the direction of tightening and the constitution?