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So who really supports the Kurds in Syria and Syria itself?

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After the actual defeat of the Islamic State (* banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria, the question of the relationship of the Syrian center with one of the largest Syrian ethnic groups, the Kurds, is acute. One of the problems is that external forces are being used by the Kurds against Damascus, actually pushing them to engage in combat operations against the CAA outside the Kurdish territories in the SAR.


So who really supports the Kurds in Syria and Syria itself?


Another complication is the reluctance of Turkey to see the Kurds as a full-fledged side of the internal Syrian political settlement. Ankara is clearly afraid of the consolidation of Kurds in Syria, which (consolidation) may have an impact on 17 million Kurds living in Turkey.

The Syrian question was once again raised during the negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan, who arrived a few days ago in Sochi. The leaders of the two countries did not ignore the question of the Kurds. This was actually confirmed by Turkish Foreign Minister авavusoglu, who literally stated the following:
We believe that a political decision is no less important than the military struggle against terrorists. Turkey will take into account Russia's proposal for convening a congress of Syrian parties, including Kurdish political forces.


After the talks, the head of the Kremlin’s press service, Dmitry Peskov, did not hide the fact that negotiations between the two presidents “were very difficult.”

Syrian journalist Riyad Farid Hijab publishes his comments on the Kurdish issue in the UAR. According to him, the issue of exile and destruction of ISIS (*) in Syria is almost resolved. Now the most important is the question of the territorial structure of the country. One of the areas of work is the new Syrian constitution, which would reflect the interests of all ethnic groups living in the republic. Among other things, the possibility of granting autonomy to the Kurds within federal Syria is being considered. Given the fact that not only Turks, but also the United States, are against the autonomy of the Kurds in Syria, it turns out that the Russian Federation is the main ally of the Kurds. Riyadh makes such a conclusion on the basis of a simple fact: it is Russia that is ready to support the creation of territorial Kurdish autonomy within the framework of a united Syria.

Negotiations, according to some sources, are already underway. One of the rounds of inter-Syrian talks with the presence of representatives of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of the Parties was held in the city of Kamyshly. Recall that it was from there that the board was sent to Russia with the wives and children of the militants, who had previously left the North Caucasus in the UAR. The board landed in the Chechen Republic.

Without the tough position of Russia, the Kurds would have frankly little chance of obtaining autonomy, as there would be little chance for the whole of Syria to preserve its integrity and transition to a political settlement process.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 16 November 2017 06: 23 New
    +2
    Gypsies want their Jerusalem (or Tel Aviv), and they will receive the maximum of Birobidzhan.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 16 November 2017 06: 32 New
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      Russia did not sign up to fight with the Kurds. They need to be solved with the world. Otherwise, everything will burn in neighboring countries.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 16 November 2017 06: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Russia did not sign up to fight with the Kurds. They need to be solved with the world. Otherwise, everything will burn in neighboring countries.

        This is the problem. Some Kurds will be for autonomy within Syria and the allies of Syria will be friends with them, others for an independent Kurdish state. Thus, the place of ISIS is occupied by the Kurds, who will fight for the "independent state" (or rather for the clearing with oil) under the leadership of the United States.
        From what I see in the media and the internet, I have a picture like this. Or am I mistaken? Syria's problem in American oil scientists. angry am
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 16 November 2017 06: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: Balu

          From what I see in the media and the internet, I have a picture like this. Or am I mistaken? Syria's problem in American oil scientists. angry am

          You are mistaken. In 2011, Syrian oil and gas reserves were not enough for 100% coverage of ATS needs. Now, after the destruction of industry, infrastructure and parts of power plants, surpluses have appeared that can be taken out. In terms of oil and gas reserves, Syria is at the 32 place in the world.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 16 November 2017 08: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            You are mistaken. In 2011, Syrian oil and gas reserves were not enough for 100% coverage of ATS needs. Now, after the destruction of industry, infrastructure and parts of power plants, surpluses have appeared that can be taken out. In terms of oil and gas reserves, Syria is at the 32 place in the world.

            Pipelines also pass through Syria, and Qatar dreams with the Saudis to bring their own to Europe. And what is heard about a large undeveloped field in Latakia? Are Israeli oil workers looking for oil in Syria too?
            Not? Then what is their interest in destroying Syria.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 16 November 2017 08: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Balu
              Pipelines also pass through Syria

              what pipelines ?! wassat
            2. GRF
              GRF 16 November 2017 09: 24 New
              +4
              Jews consider this land theirs. Therefore, nobody should be on it ...
              1. Viktorfi
                Viktorfi 16 November 2017 11: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: GRF
                Jews consider this land theirs. Therefore, nobody should be on it ...


                It is not the Jews who think so, but you think that the Jews think so.
            3. Viktorfi
              Viktorfi 16 November 2017 09: 36 New
              +2
              The above photo is a famous lie. More precisely, not the photo itself, but an anti-Semitic inscription.

              In fact, this photo was openly published when the Israeli Prime Minister visited:



              Netanyahu visited the wounded Syrians in a field hospital in the Golan. February 18, 2014

              On Tuesday, February 18, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited a field hospital deployed by the Israeli military in the Golan to help the wounded coming from Syria. For the first time, the head of the Israeli government personally spoke with the citizens of Syria, who were brought to the Jewish state for treatment, as well as with the doctors who assist them.

              Benjamin Netanyahu was accompanied on this trip by Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon, chief of the General Staff Beni Ganz, commander of the northern military district Yair Golan. Journalists from Israeli and foreign publications were also invited to the hospital.

              Journalists accompanying the delegation drew attention to the large number of children and adolescents in the hospital. All of them were injured as a result of hostilities between Assad’s troops and the opposition.


              "Israel cannot refuse to help people who are knocking on its door," Netanyahu emphasized in an interview with foreign journalists.



              After that, anti-Semites and simply haters of Israel redo the photo to denigrate Israel, naively believing that there will be narrow-minded people who believe in this nonsense, especially considering the fact that journalists were invited to this hospital, everything was done openly and most importantly, that Israel treats those delivered by the UN and there are no terrorists there.
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 16 November 2017 10: 03 New
                +3
                That is, the "opposition" is not a terrorist, and Israel is financing a terrorist carries out a humanitarian mission? Well, that's another matter. Now everything is clear. The Syrian President-Assad Assad is the same enemy to his country as Gaddafi, Allende and everyone else.
                1. Viktorfi
                  Viktorfi 16 November 2017 10: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Balu
                  Ie "opposition" is not terrorists


                  Not. They are recognized by Russia. Isn't negotiation being discussed with them?
                  Of course with them.
                  Or does Russia not recognize the opposition?

                  For example, one of Shoigu’s statements -

                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/12/2016/5864f8039a
                  7947b3f881a79b

                  The Minister noted that the Ministry of Defense “negotiated with the leaders for two months through the mediation of Turkey moderate Syrian opposition ".

                  Read more at RBC:
                  https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/12/2016/5864f8039a
                  7947b3f881a79b

                  Something Russia does not call everyone in the opposition terrorists.

                  Quote: Balu
                  is terrorist financing Israel carrying out a humanitarian mission?


                  Israel is capitalized, as is Russia. Israel does not finance terrorists. Moreover, not a single fact was proved to prove this. Moreover, all the nonsense about weapons, advisers that Syria spread turned out to be fiction and has not been proven.


                  Quote: Balu
                  The Syrian President-Assad Assad is the same enemy to his country as Gaddafi, Allende and everyone else.


                  Assad was not elected by the people of Syria. Moreover, the elections that took place during the war were not recognized.
                  Voting did not pass across the country, were fictitious and millions of people could not vote.
                2. Viktorfi
                  Viktorfi 16 November 2017 10: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Balu
                  That is, the "opposition" is not terrorists,


                  Here are Putin's words that clearly explain where the terrorists are and where the opposition is:
                  https://iz.ru/660745/2017-10-19/putin-zaiavil-o-s
                  koroi-pobede-nad-terroristami-v-sirii


                  Putin announced an imminent victory over terrorists in Syria


                  “There is every reason to believe - I will say carefully - that we will kill terrorists there (in Syria) in the near future,” the Russian leader said at a meeting of the Valdai international discussion club.

                  ....

                  The Russian leader added that the next stage after the launch of de-escalation zones could be the convening of a congress of the peoples of Syria “so that all ethnic religious groups, and the government, and opposition».


                  You all need to understand or still need to explain that Putin separates the terrorists from the opposition and speaks of convening a congress, including the opposition.

                  So stop writing nonsense about the fact that the opposition is terrorists and that Israel is financing terrorists.
        2. anjey
          anjey 16 November 2017 07: 37 New
          +1
          our "gas scientists" are anyway cooler ....
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 November 2017 06: 25 New
    +4
    Kurdish autonomy is another pretext for extending hostilities, as Kurds have not yet agreed among themselves and have not developed joint actions.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 16 November 2017 06: 37 New
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      Kurds live at the junction of four states - Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. Give autonomy to some, a chain reaction will begin in others. And even worse if they combine. Then little will not seem to anyone. And these are all echoes of European colonialism, which divided the united peoples into zones of their interests.hi
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 16 November 2017 06: 37 New
        +4
        That's what I'm talking about ! hi
      2. bald
        bald 16 November 2017 07: 12 New
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        Give autonomy, everyone will ask. Give me the state, everyone will ask. According to gypsy, living (settled) is also in the bastard. The very solution, as we have, is autonomy, and Erdogan is simply sent, let him figure it out with his Kurds there, on Turkish territory. In Iraq, there will also be autonomy. In Iran, I don’t know.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 16 November 2017 11: 07 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Give autonomy to some, a chain reaction will begin in others.

        Come on. Here just now, those who in Iraq have already announced .... Not even autonomy, but complete independence. fellow And? For a week that independence was enough, blown away.
        Quote: siberalt
        And even worse if they combine.

        So, who would give them ... and they themselves are not eager to consolidate and "cook porridge in a pan-Kurdish pot." What is good for the Iraqi Kurd is death for the Turkish Kurd. laughing
      4. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 16 November 2017 13: 38 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        Kurds live at the junction of four states - Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. Give autonomy to some, a chain reaction will begin in others.

        so in Iraq autonomy since 1991 among the Kurds
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2017 06: 31 New
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    negotiations between the two presidents "were very difficult"

    So this is understandable. The Turks have their own goals, we have our own. Yes, such a stumbling block as the Kurds. On the one hand, 40 million people do not have their own state, on the other, the creation of such a state will lead to new armed conflicts. So break your brain.
  4. nafanal
    nafanal 16 November 2017 06: 33 New
    +3
    Interesting people. 20 mln. Almost a thousand-year history. And they did not bother to create their own state. And now the late is rushing about. The world is divided
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 November 2017 11: 41 New
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      Quote: Nathanael
      Interesting people. 20 mln. Almost a thousand-year history. And they did not bother to create their own state. And now the late is rushing about. The world is divided

      Not 20 million, but a little more than 40 million. At a time when the world was divided, no one really asked them. Anglo-Saxons did it taking advantage of their colonial advantage. Now the idea of ​​creating an independent Kurdistan also belongs to them, in order to be able to nightmare regional states with the hands of the Kurds and influence the laying of pipelines to Europe since Kurdistan will be a kind of castle on the way to their laying. The one who will control Kurdistan will control the energy flows of the region.
      1. nafanal
        nafanal 16 November 2017 16: 45 New
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        Rashid ed Din was a Kurd. Heard about this. About the Kurds they knew when the Saxons were brazen and there was no mention.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 16 November 2017 22: 41 New
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          Quote: Nathanael
          Rashid ed Din was a Kurd. Heard about this. About the Kurds they knew when the Saxons were brazen and there was no mention.

          The question is not when the Kurds knew or did not know, but the fact that the borders of the Middle East that are present were cut with the participation of the Nugglo Saxons, who now again seek to redraw them. You still remember Hammurabi with Mesopotamia and destroyed Babylon.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 16 November 2017 22: 57 New
            +1
            And you know, comrade is right. You need to know the story. Moreover, it is you who are visiting us in Cairo, Jerusalem. And not we to you, in Pskov and Novgorod.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 November 2017 06: 35 New
    +3
    If the Kurds are skilled warriors, they themselves will achieve their independence. There is no terrorism, let the eastern nations themselves understand .... Riding the "wives of the militants" on the plane at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation is a strange action.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 November 2017 06: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: samarin1969
      is a weird stock

      And take them to Grozny! That's where all these wives and kids come from. We couldn’t do any harm in the Caucasus, we went to Syria!
    2. anjey
      anjey 16 November 2017 07: 31 New
      +2
      this is an act of goodwill, a chance for life, with the hope that the defenders of Russia will grow out of these children to spite all the evil-spoken and enemies ...
    3. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 16 November 2017 09: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      Rolling "wives of fighters" on an airplane at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation is a strange action.

      Too strange ... If they did not support husbands-fathers, they would not go to Syria for them.
  6. syndicalist
    syndicalist 16 November 2017 06: 42 New
    +2
    Support Russia officially Kurds and it will have the most powerful and reliable, unlike Turkey, an ally in the Middle East. Sooner or later, the Kurdish state will take place and gain universal recognition.
    1. anjey
      anjey 16 November 2017 07: 35 New
      0
      I think that ours are trying to work with them on these issues ....
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 16 November 2017 09: 17 New
        +1
        Well then, why should the Kurds block the crossing to Raqqa with the CAA forces? And almost all the oil they have, Assad will not give them such a fatty piece.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 16 November 2017 09: 09 New
      +6
      Which ally? Who do you support? Erdogan - for example, put on Barzani. Barzani to him, Erdogan to Barzani rolled more often than to their wives. And the result? Barzani repainted as soon as possible and declared independence - all of Kurdistan.

      However, Barzani is not alone. General Kassem Suleimani and several Iranian Kurdish Sheikhs flew to Talabani. We talked with him. As a result - half of the Kurdish army (which Talabani) - went to Suleimaniya, collapsing the front of Barzani. With almost no resistance, the Iraqi army pushed Barzani to the 2003 line of the year.

      Syria is even more fun. There are Arfins Kurds. They agree on everything. Because they are clamped in the boiler. In the east, Turkish broads and Turkish vacationers. In the north is the Turkish army. In the west, HTS and Islamists. In the south there are pro-Turkish broads and the Syrian government army.

      Kurds at Eurfate (Kobani, Manbij) - wag. They do not want to give back even a meter of the conquered territory, but they also do not want to declare independence without guarantees.

      The Kurds of the eastern clans (Hasakke, Makadan, Darik) - they have one of the most powerful US and coalition presence (on the other hand, the Italian alpine shooters patrolled Dam in Iraq, but they fled ahead of the Kurds - when the Shiites broke into the dam) - they have rich Oil deposits (both in Khasak and in DeZ). And they are committed to independence. Moreover, the Communists (RKK) consider these Kurdish clans traitors and almost wage a war against them.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 November 2017 07: 07 New
    +2
    The biggest stupidity is that the euphoria began from the alleged complete destruction of the igil! !! They, like Nusra, will still show themselves, we will also hear about captured military facilities and even cities, because "Isil and Nusra are destroyed" !!! What time !!! And Kurdistan, this is a United States project, under the guise of creating a state for Kurds , there will be a restructuring of the territories of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, which cannot be allowed! !! Kurds must either get autonomy, but as part of the country where they live, or let them go for permanent residence in the United States.
  8. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 November 2017 07: 16 New
    +2
    People.
    What about nusra?
    Everyone is talking about needles, but now, what?
    Not terrorists but a party to the conflict?
    What territories do they occupy?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 November 2017 07: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Livonetc
      People.
      What about nusra?
      Everyone is talking about needles, but now, what?
      Not terrorists but a party to the conflict?
      What territories do they occupy?

      Idlib.
    2. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 16 November 2017 09: 25 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      What about nusra?

      , Nusra quietly losing ground. CAA has already occupied the villages of Rabdu, Harp, Khaimim, Kikiyah. This is taking into account the fact that both SAA and SSA are fighting against Nusra.
  9. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 November 2017 08: 24 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Livonetc
    People.
    What about nusra?
    Everyone is talking about needles, but now, what?
    Not terrorists but a party to the conflict?
    What territories do they occupy?

    Idlib.

    Does Turkey support nusru?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 16 November 2017 09: 18 New
      +3
      Neutrality. Nusrachs allowed Turkish women and vacationers to create a western area of ​​attack on the Arfin Kurds.

      Only there is not only Nusra. There are still a lot of all sorts of broads there. For example, TIP is the Turkestan Caliphate, it is not nosra. There is also Val Ansar - a cozy Caucasian Emirate in Idlibshchyna. There is a bunch of Kataib - some eat from the hands of Turkish intelligence, some still receive assistance from the kingdoms in transit through Turkey.

      In general, Idlib has thousands of 30 broads now. Plus there are still women of the Southern Front. Although the King ceased their support, other kingdoms transit them through Jordan.

      Here is a large map of the entire region. In addition to the classics. White in green is the Islamists. In Lebanon - blue is a place of support and fighting with the Islamists.
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 November 2017 09: 01 New
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    Considering the fact that not only Turks, but also the USA oppose the autonomy of the Kurds in Syria, it turns out that the Russian Federation is the main ally of the Kurds.
    The US is what did not please Kurdish autonomy ?! the author is confusing something here, Assad is a categorical opponent of autonomy
  11. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 16 November 2017 09: 17 New
    +1
    "Recall that it was from there that the board was sent to Russia with the wives and children of the militants who had previously left the North Caucasus for the SAR. The aircraft landed in the Chechen Republic."

    And in VO there was no article on this topic?
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 16 November 2017 10: 58 New
      +2
      I have not seen articles. There is a video
  12. Alexander War
    Alexander War 16 November 2017 11: 04 New
    +2
    Racca's Dirty Secret https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3810324.htm
    l
  13. Baloo
    Baloo 16 November 2017 11: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Viktorfi
    Voting did not pass across the country, were fictitious and millions of people could not vote.

    Because of the terrorists?
  14. Ural resident
    Ural resident 16 November 2017 11: 23 New
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    why should the Kurds give autonomy?
    experience shows that such gifts then lead to the separation.
    just now you can fit them into a new device without any autonomy - the Turks will be happy to help in this