Russia and the UAE continue negotiations on the supply of Su-35 fighters

Russia and the UAE continue negotiations on the supply of Su-35 fighters for this Arab country, an official representative of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia told reporters on Wednesday at the Dubai Airshow 2017 exhibition.

Negotiations on this issue are ongoing.

- He said, answering the question whether the contract was signed for the supply of UAE fighter Su-35.

A memorandum of intent to buy the United Arab Emirates Russian fighters of the 4 generation ++ Su-35 was signed by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov and the Minister of Defense, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi Sheikh Mohammed bin Zeyid Al Nahyanian in February 2017 of the year in the exhibition of ID weapons in the United States of Indem.

Later, an official representative of the FSMTC of Russia said that the contract could be signed before the end of 2017, reports RIA News

Su-35 is a multipurpose, super-maneuverable 4 ++ generation fighter with thrust vectoring engines. It uses the technology of the fifth generation, providing superiority over fighters of a similar class.

Comments

[Zhelezyakin]

But Rogozin said that this is a fifth-generation aircraft)))

[aszzz888]

Zhelezyakin Today, 11:56 AM New
But Rogozin said that this is a fifth-generation aircraft)))

... yes, I heard his post with the correspondent ... and that besides the external suspension of the power supply unit, it is no different from the 5th generation ...

[dik-nsk]

advertising in Syria works, and only Arabs are watching in the immediate vicinity))

[Don]

Different balabol can rank him even to the sixth generation, but the reality will not change from this. In order to at least conditionally rank him as the fifth generation, he must have supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, there should be a radar with AFAR, the glider should be made using stealth technology, etc. It does not satisfy any of this parameter. The Americans have upgraded their F-15 eagle to the Silent Eagle version. Incidentally, it satisfies almost all of these parameters, but for some reason its Americans do not call it the fifth generation, because they know that this is only a transitional option.

[Lord of the Sith]

I’ll tell you a secret, the 5th generation aircraft does not yet exist. Read what five parameters should be for the plane to be considered the fifth generation and compare with the F-35,

[Zhelezyakin]

Quote: Sith Lord

Read what five parameters should be

You advise Rogozin, I do not seem to pretend to such statements))) I wrote below, but I repeat. Generations and divisions on them are very slippery concepts. U Kytaya has her own understanding in this matter. Their red dragon (according to their own statements) is almost six)))

[aszzz888]

... would be a bad 35th, the Arabs would not twitch with the acquisition ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: aszzz888

... would be bad 35, Saud and would not twitch with the acquisition ...

So the Saudis do not jerk.

[aszzz888]

So saudi

... thank you for the tip in the typo ...

[Zhelezyakin]

The plane was excellent, so I argued!
The division into tingling is a very fine question. More or less close requirements only we put forward with him to him. Go your own way ...

[Zaurbek]

In general, it would be possible to make an assembly plant with partial localization where the thread in the Emirates is with their further promotion in the region and made in OAE and access to foreign components (Israeli, French, etc.). There is a free economic zone (taxes are small) and many investors (will support any serious business). It’s quite a good plane to be and will extend his life for another 30 years. And our factories have a lot of orders for the main aggregates.

[Egorovich]

In turn, in turn, men do not push around, everyone has enough money.

[Fedorov]

Over-maneuverability is good of course. But a missile fired over 50-100 km nullifies this miracle of aerodynamics. No one is already spinning in turns. Moreover, this only works with Doppler radar, which every year less and less.
Nevertheless - good luck to the Su-35! Thing apparatus. MIGu-35 just didn’t annoy ...

[Zaurbek]

a missile fired over 50-100 km by itself controls and is subject to the effects of jamming stations (and such are on all of our combat

[_Ugene_]

modern GOS air-to-air missiles are extremely difficult to confuse, there are too many ranges in GOS. The jamming stations on our planes are Khibiny, there is a very big doubt that they will protect against modern missiles. Khibins protect only in the radar range, and what to do with visible and infrared?

[Zaurbek]

I’m not a radio physicist, but, I think if you compare the power of a rocket’s radar and the fighter’s or bomber’s PP system in kW (and they do not stupidly jam, but also create false targets), then this will not be in favor of the rocket. Somehow they showed a film about Tu-95, so when the PP was on it, the MiG-29 fighter could not just capture the target ....

[_Ugene_]

I think if you compare in kW the power of the rocket radar and the PP system of the fighter

That's right, in the radar range, Khibiny missiles can completely deceive GOS (in theory, in practice, more testing needs to be done). Therefore, modern GOS capture the target not only in the radar range but also additionally in the IR and visible. If the first infrared seekers could be deceived by thermal traps (in Afghanistan, at first, the stingers well deceived, then it got worse and worse), now they are of no use. Now there a whole picture in the IR range is being created and the target is being tracked by image recognition, therefore modern GOS are not distracted by the hotter IR traps. And there is also a visible range, roughly speaking a video camera and GOS monitors the aircraft in the picture in the visible range.
By analyzing information from all three ranges the rocket is aimed at the target. Khibiny work only in the radar range and no matter what power they emit on the IR and the visible range this has no effect.
No need to think so enthusiastically about electronic warfare equipment, they are far from a panacea.

[Zaurbek]

No one cheers considers himself a patriot. But look at the BB missile guidance systems:
1. near - GOS IR and UV
2. medium - or UK and UV or RLGSN
3. The distant ones - the RGSN

But you don’t need to enthusiastically think about destroying targets easily with long-range missiles .... especially small ones like a fighter and missiles ....

[_Ugene_]

Raman and 5th generation are indeed much more difficult to capture GOS due to the small EPR and significantly smaller footprint in the IR range. But we then discussed this issue in the context of the defeat of our Su-35, Mig-35 fighters. And unfortunately, they have several meters EPR and more than enough heat.

[Zaurbek]

You confuse warm and soft ..
We found out that long-range explosive missiles have a radar homing system and that now our 4+ generation airplanes have quite powerful missiles ...
To get into the 5th generation at maximum range - you must first see it at this range!

[_Ugene_]

For long-range explosive missiles, for the most part of the flight path, control is carried out using an inertial system, and an active GOS is activated in the final section. How will the Khibins help in this case?

[Zaurbek]

And how does a long-range missile with the help of an inertial seeker find out where the meeting point is with the target? And where do I need to turn on the GOS? The plane is not a ballistic target and flies in different directions.

[_Ugene_]

All long-range explosive missiles do just that. The target is determined by the radar of the carrier aircraft. The missile most of the way follows the inertial system, when approaching the target for 10-30 km. an active seeker is switched on, in this case the turn-on time of the seeker will not always be perfectly accurate, which should be compensated by the seeker. For some missiles, when moving along an inertial system, directional guidance along the radar navigation system is possible, but not necessary.

[Zaurbek]

_Ugene_,
The standard scheme is as follows:
1. The radar determines where the target
2. rocket launch
3. The missile is being conducted by an aircraft radar
4. when approaching the target area, the target is captured by the onboard radar
5. The missile goes to the target autonomously

[_Ugene_]

Give examples of specific long-range explosive missiles that work according to this scheme and are used now.

[Zaurbek]

KS-172

Guidance on the marching section of the trajectory is carried out using inertial guidance, and at a distance of 80-100 kilometers, the missile switches to active radar homing, carried out using the homing head 9B-1103M. The flight to the maximum range of a rocket takes about 5 minutes, and the period of active homing is only about a minute [8]. Over 4 minutes of flight by inertial guidance, the spatial position of the target can change significantly, so some experts believe that in difficult air conditions, for correct target selection at the maximum range of the rocket, external target designation may be required [3].

[_Ugene_]

The standard scheme is as follows:
1. The radar determines where the target
2. rocket launch
3. The missile is being conducted by an aircraft radar
4. when approaching the target area, the target is captured by the onboard radar
5. The missile goes to the target autonomously

You have denied yourself - KS-172 does not follow this algorithm, as I wrote - "Guidance on the marching section of the trajectory is carried out using inertial guidance." “The flight to the maximum range of a rocket takes about 5 minutes, and the period of active homing is only about a minute” - i.e. Most of the time the rocket goes through the inertial system, which I said. And what you highlighted in bold are just the assumptions of "some experts"

[Zaurbek]

R-37 (according to NATO codification AA-13 “Arrow”, literally “Arrow”) - a Soviet / Russian long-range air-to-air missile.

It is currently the most long-range guided air-to-air missile.

To increase maneuverability, the rocket is made dynamically unstable.

Equipped with semi-active / active guidance head 9B-1388. It can be used both from MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors, and from Su-27 and Su-35 fighters with the corresponding refinement of their software [2]. Before the collapse of the USSR, 2 launches of the R-37 were made.

[Zaurbek]

In 4 minutes of inertial guidance flight, the spatial position of the target can change significantly,

This proposal is logical ... but most likely, like Meteor SU-command-inertial.

[Zaurbek]

Long Range Aviation Guided Missile (UR) Meteor


Used to control a rocket combined control system: command-inertial system in the initial section of the trajectory and homing system in the final section.

The missile is equipped with a two-way asynchronous data line channel and is capable of receiving control commands from a carrier aircraft and interacting aircraft, including AWACS aircraft. The transmission of these commands corrects the missile, updating information about the position of the target, compensates for aiming errors, as well as the drift of the inertial control system, which increases over time. On the reverse channel of real-time data transmission, telemetry information is received from the onboard rocket systems to the carrier.

[burigaz2010]

Colleagues who understands aviation, why are the engines delivered to the Su35 openly? They can’t be covered with covers? And the plane is just super !!!! I think for the next 20-30 years it is the main one !!!

[_Ugene_]

This feature of the installation of engines in Sukhoi. Because of this, the EPR and visibility in the IR range are greatly increased. For the Su-35 is not so important, it is bad that the engines are also installed in the Su-57, this greatly increases its visibility.