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The shrines of the island of Cyprus (part 1)

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“Go all over the world and preach the Gospel to all creatures”
(Gospel of Mark 16: 15).



It is unlikely that anyone will deny the enormous influence of religion on society. And the fact that some places on our planet turned out to be “more regional” than others is well known to everyone, including even non-believers. For various reasons, this happened, but it happened. There are places in Shinto, Buddhists, Muslims, Catholics. There are, of course, and the Orthodox. There is even a term such as “a prayer place,” that is, this is a place where people many times more than in other places prayed to the Most High. Such places include temples, monasteries, lands on which they are located, and even the whole island of Cyprus, which is sometimes even called “the island of saints,” as there are so many different temples built in honor of the saints of God. And since today, in Russia, the Christian faith seems to be experiencing its new flourishing, then you need to know about it. And we will tell you about it today. Of course, it would be more logical to write about it in "hot pursuit" of the year in 2015, but one of my shortcomings is that it is well written to me just in the mood. Which should fit the topic. And a lot of time passed before the “stars came together” and ... this material appeared. However, it's better late than never!


The first Cypriot church with which I managed to get acquainted. Saw on the hill. And she seemed so beautiful to me that she got on the bus and drove off. Came out, and she - like this, as if from a fairy tale. Inside - no one (it was a very hot day!), Come in, look. Very cold water flows from the wall and a number of cups - take drink. And the paintings ... Awesome! And it is clear that the church is new, and the paintings are new, and still it is very beautiful. And all the canons are met! Our churches are also very beautiful, majestic, fundamental, and even “St. Basil’s Blessed One” is generally something, but these are also beautiful in their own way ...


The same church is on the other side.


And this is how it looks from the inside!


St. Barbara.


Painting the dome.


And the carving there is very beautiful ...


And in the Greek church do not stand, and sit. Nothing should distract the believer from communion with God, no physical inconvenience!

First, get acquainted with historical facts. In accordance with them, the Holy Apostles Paul, Barnabas and Mark brought Christianity to Cyprus. However, even before their arrival on the island, there were already separate Christian communities. The book “Acts of the Apostles” tells us that the holy apostles Paul and Barnabas went around the whole island, that is, they spent considerable time on it. Interestingly, the bishop of the Christian community on it was St. Lazarus himself, well, the very one whom Jesus Christ himself resurrected. Many saints were born on the island, and the Autocephaly of the Church of Cyprus was approved at the Third Ecumenical Council. And although this happened a very, very long time ago, the Greek Cypriots are still a very pious and pious people. Here and today many temples rise, both old and completely new, which are filled with worshipers on Sundays and holidays. Moreover, in one small village there may be several temples at once and this does not surprise anyone.


One of these "coastal" chapels!

In Ayia Napa, chapels stand right along the coast within walking distance of the beaches. So you can swim, then take a decent look and pray to the Lord. Or vice versa: pray first, and only then bathe. Among the saints in Cyprus, the holy martyr George the Victorious is considered one of the most revered, followed by the righteous Lazarus Four-day martyr Mamant, who lived on a mountain in the desert, martyred for Haralambos, tortured in 202, and the martyrs Timothy and Maura, who tortured him. in 286 year.

The shrines of the island of Cyprus (part 1)

Cathedral of St. Nicholas XIV. Famagusta is practically a copy of Reims Cathedral, only yellow. Inside is a mosque. On the left - the minaret!


Cathedral of sv. George in Famagusta. The Greeks themselves are joking that there simply is nothing to add to the minaret, otherwise the Turks would have added it!


The same ruins, but on the other hand. Everything is very civilized around, isn't it?

In 1974, Turkish troops occupied the northern part of the island. Many Christian churches were then desecrated, and many were destroyed. Some of them, including the ancient cathedrals, were turned into mosques and even entertainment centers by the Turks. Many Christians, like centuries ago, were martyred at the hands of their local Turks, fellow villagers and Turkish soldiers. Recently, however, churches in a number of villages have been restored and the authorities no longer obstruct Orthodox Christians, as it was a couple of decades ago.

Well, now will follow the story of the Orthodox churches and shrines of the island of Cyprus on the basis of personal impressions, so to speak.

Larnaca Church of St. Lazarus

In the temple of the holy righteous Lazarus of the Four Days, the Bishop of Kition - this was the name of Larnaca in antiquity, I also got quite by accident. Others were interested in me there, but when I saw him, it was clear that we were heading into “this building” with the whole family. And it turned out that the word “Larnaca” in Greek means “sarcophagus”, and in this temple at the top there are the relics of this saint, and in the underground crypt - his tomb. There, in the crypt, there is a holy source. The relics of the saint were found in the XIX century here, in Larnaca, where they were found in a marble ark with the inscription: "Lazarus, who was dead for four days, a friend of Christ." Then, over his tomb, a temple was built in an old and rare architectural style. The iconostasis is not so ancient, only of the XVIII century. But the skill of its manufacture is one of the best examples of woodcarving, which can only be found in Cyprus. In it are 120 icons of the XVIII century, Byzantine letters. There are more ancient icons. Well, a Russian pilgrim can immediately notice there a large icon of the Blessed Virgin Mary, painted by icon painters from Russia.


Temple of sv. Lazarus is located very close to the Larnaca seafront and the fort located at the end of it ... Here it is - the “road to the temple”.


But he himself, repeatedly rebuilt.


Icon of the Blessed Virgin in a silver setting.


And there also hangs a stunning size and beauty of the chandelier, and the walls are made up of variegated in size and sometimes very large stone blocks laid on lime.

During the occupation of the island by the Franks, the temple was turned into a Benedektinsky monastery, then it became owned by Armenian Roman Catholics. In the 1570 year, the Turks seized Cyprus, but in the 1589 year they returned it to the Orthodox. And the Roman Catholics were allowed to perform service there twice a year in a small chapel adjacent to its altar from the north. But in 1794, they were deprived of this privilege, as the Catholics began to make claims on the entire church. Interestingly, the traces of the former Catholic presence are noticeable here and now.


Traces of Gothic architecture.

The Byzantine Emperor Leo VI the Wise ordered a portion of the relics of St. Lazarus to be transported to Constantinople, but the skull of the saint and a pair of tibial bones remained in Cyprus. Well, the relics from Constantinople were then abducted by the Crusaders, who took them to the West. By the way, they call him four days because he was dead for four days, and only after that Christ resurrected him. It happened on Saturday the sixth week of Great Lent, which has since been called the Lazarus Saturday. Many people then, seeing the resurrected Lazarus, believed in the Lord. But the evil Jews decided to kill Lazarus, which is why he left for Cyprus, where he lived 30 for years, having worked hard for the spread of Christianity on the island. And here he finally died a second time. And there was no one around who could revive him!


The altar of the temple, but on the right the cancer of St.. Lazarus. See that silver chest? Here it is the most cancer.

Once in the temple, we first paid attention to the shrine with the relics of the saint. It had a hole from which the brown vault of the skull protruded. Everyone approached and held his hand over him, after which they claimed that they felt a “flow of energy”. My daughter and wife also felt it, but my sinless granddaughter and I did not feel anything. After that, we went down to the dungeon, where it is better not to go into the claustrophobic patient. There was a whole family of Ethiopians who sang, prayed and for some reason put belt bows all the time. Black Ethiopians in the twilight, and even in white clothes ... In short, I really wanted to say: "Ethiopus, your mother, why do you scare people!" It was also amazing how people can bend at an angle of 90 degrees as many times in a row.


It looks like a dungeon and a long time in it, in my opinion, can only be abnormal!

Near the temple there is an interesting, just a very interesting museum, but I was not allowed to take pictures in it. Here the most ancient icons with the image of this righteous and other saints, as well as beautiful church utensils are exhibited. Only here you can see the rare image of St. Lazarus, written in the XII century (the saint on the icon is depicted in bishop's clothing). On another icon he is depicted blessing the emperor himself, with the Gospel in his left hand. However, there are a great many icons in the museum: both ancient Byzantine and post-Byzantine icons. Exhibited here are the old theological books, documents, and one of the oldest Gospels.

To be continued ...
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 20 November 2017 06: 47
    +4
    The daughter and wife also felt it, but my sinless granddaughter and I myself did not feel anything.

    That's why they did not feel that they did not believe, or were sinless. Joke. And the work is impressive, interesting and beautiful. Although I am an atheist, the shrines of the island are impressive. Thank. Interesting.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 20 November 2017 10: 17
      +3
      Quote: Amurets
      Although I am an atheist, the shrines of the island are impressive.

      No, you are not an atheist. You are simply not a believer. A true atheist of the Island Shrine would not have been impressed.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 20 November 2017 11: 54
        +2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        A true atheist of the Island Shrine would not have been impressed.

        But do the shrines of the island of Cyprus have no artistic value?
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 20 November 2017 07: 08
    17
    What the Turks did in northern Cyprus recently (by historical standards) is a good reminder to those who believe that the Turks have changed since the massacre of Armenians 100 years ago
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 20 November 2017 07: 20
      20
      What the Turks did in northern Cyprus recently (by historical standards) is a good reminder to those who believe that the Turks have changed since the massacre of Armenians 100 years ago

      Dear Olgovich, I completely agree with you
      The ancient enemy of the Greek and Russian people is unchanged
      The beast can be tricky (for example, to get tasty food) - but still it will remain a beast and at the right moment it will clutch its throat
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 20 November 2017 07: 18
    21
    I want to thank the author for dedicating the article to the Shrines of the island of Cyprus.
    Indeed, in reality there are not so many territories in the world (Crete, Cyprus, Sicily, Spain) - which they managed to recapture from the Arab invaders, returning them to the fold of Christianity.
    Very interesting and necessary article
    hi
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 20 November 2017 07: 37
    0
    Dear forum users. All who wore and wears shoulder straps, please do not worry. Your opinion on the articles is not interesting for Shpakovsky, from the word absolutely incl. it’s not in vain to knock on the keys massaging the conceit of an author who glorifies Western culture.
    1. kalibr
      20 November 2017 08: 51
      +8
      Epaulets and shoulder straps are worn by different people. There are such - "as I put on my sword belt, I’m all dumb and dumb." Well, here's how you, for example, Boris. This - yes, you don’t need to worry. And you need to immediately call the FSB that the English spy Shpakovsky glorifies Western culture ... take action. By the way, why "western" with a capital letter, did not understand? And is Cypriot Orthodox Christianity a “Western culture”? No need to put yourself in such a laughing stock. And you don’t need to generalize like that, Boris - “THOSE who fell and wringed themselves out” and “THOSE who wore and wears epaulettes” are different people. It’s not clear to you, is it? This is the style of Russian, your native language, your culture, not Western! So for those who have everything in order ... please, whoever needs to be able to ask questions (I always answer) and express opinions. No one bothers!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 November 2017 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        There are such - "as I put on my sword belt, I’m all dumb and dumb."

        Of course, I’m apologizing for you on the drum, but I would ask the rest on the VO forum, like if someone has something .., but no, we continue to persist laughing
        Quote: kalibr
        English spy Shpakovsky glorifies Western culture

        That's for sure, and even received fees from them. I will take advice. bully
        Quote: kalibr
        By the way, why is “western” capitalized

        Because in the broad sense, it includes not only Europe but also America and Australia, etc. Anglo-Saxons.
        Quote: kalibr
        This is the style of Russian, your native language

        How non-Russian Russians like to teach the Russian language laughing
        Quote: kalibr
        Your culture, not western!

        Yes. Our culture is not western. Three civilizations have formed in the world - Western civilization, Eastern civilization and Russian civilization. Islamic civilization is only being formed. The difference between all these civilizations is in their culture.
        Quote: kalibr
        And is Cypriot Orthodox Christianity a “Western culture”?

        Christianity came to Russia from the West - so why is it not pro-Western? laughing
        Orthodoxy (glorifying the rights and the rights of the faithful) was in Russia long before Christianity.
        1. dSK
          dSK 20 November 2017 23: 41
          +2
          Hello Boris, don’t play spoiled Internet phone. Orthodoxy appeared 1000 years ago as a result of the division of Christians into Catholics and Orthodox. "Orthodox brothers and sisters" - Greeks, Czechs, Poles, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs (born in Kazakhstan, met such) and many other nationalities.
          Orthodox those who want to stand on the Last Judgment to the right from Of Christ. LawTrue, justice is one root. AND left options, left-wing income, falsehood - one root.
          The great Russian language was formed on the Gospel, which was transferred to us by the equally apostolic teachers Cyril and Methodius. There were few handwritten books and studied literacy in parish schools. The peasants - "Christians", they lived before communities as early Christians. The word" education "(preserved even in the USSR) - a person strives all his life to restore the image and likeness by which the first man Adam was created, who flew out of paradise through the efforts of a lying snake tempter. I remember the younger in the USSR the kindergarten department was called the strange word "nursery"when I began to read the Gospel - the Most Holy Theotokos gave birth to a son in a manger, a cattle feeder. You can give many examples on this subject, the format does not allow it. hi
      2. venaya
        venaya 20 November 2017 09: 24
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        Your culture, not western!

        Our culture is really not parochial, that is, it’s not some kind = western, but truly WORLD! It is still necessary to realize this, unfortunately such information is not accessible to everyone, there are still many, many very zombie representatives of other, derived from our, all kinds of cultures.
      3. Mikado
        Mikado 20 November 2017 10: 35
        +7
        Epaulets and shoulder straps are worn by different people.

        a little tale about a sword belt, not related to the dispute. Last year I was in Pskov at the bottom of the city, it is the day of St. Olga, the very first baptist of Russia. They defended the service right in the Kremlin in the cathedral, the metropolitan served. Then a procession was to begin in front of the cathedral. There were a lot of people: a bunch of military men were brought in by village buses, representatives of Orthodox organizations and the Cossacks were also present. I don’t know where the Cossacks came from on Pskov land (the closest to the Don should be), well, come on - people are engaged in patriotic work and youth education, let them do it, do a good deed. And then one figure caught my attention. There is a Cossack: a protective tunic, a cap with a red band, blue trousers with stripes, in general, everything with him, including a mustache. It was me who was attracted by the sword belt on him, since it was from the back that he liked me. Two belts go in front, on the back they are connected into a single ring, and from there one belt goes down in the middle. Of course, I am not a great connoisseur of such a subtle form of clothing, but it seemed to me that ours were never worn. what But they wore .. Wehrmacht grenadiers! hi if anyone on the forum is competent in this matter, let him correct drinks Cossacks - please do not be offended drinks love
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 20 November 2017 11: 42
          +8
          Nikolay, good afternoon. See this one?
          Link sword belt Kuban - Shop "Cossack Farm"
          Kazachiy-hutor.ru
          sword belt, bronze.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 20 November 2017 12: 01
            +7
            Good afternoon, Nikolai! hi
            you have eaten me. Then the question is: is it a product for sale from non-garment-making manufacturers, or is Cossack equipment different from RIA equipment? fellow drinks
            In the Russian army was a sword belt of the sample of 1912. The most vivid image - it can be seen on the hero Yu.M. Solomin in "Adjutant of His Excellency."
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 20 November 2017 12: 14
              +7
              Quote: Mikado
              Then the question is: is it a product for sale from non-garment-making manufacturers, or is Cossack equipment different from RIA equipment?

              Yes, different. Especially the form of the Kuban Cossacks. There were similar ones in the Red Army. I gave a link to the forum in PM.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 20 November 2017 12: 50
                +8
                Nikolai and Viktor Nikolaevich, thank you both very much, you enlightened me in full. good love
                It seems that the Y-shaped sword belt was also in the kit of the Red Army fighter, a canvas version.

                here is the link to the site: https://antikvariat.ru/auto/3117/48308/#.WhKj7kpl
                -Uk
                I offer my deepest apologies to that Cossack, who, involuntarily, as a fervent patriot of his homeland, he suspected of hidden sympathies for Old Man Pannwitz and Shkuro personally! hi I didn’t know, sir! request
            2. Curious
              Curious 20 November 2017 12: 21
              +8
              In the "Collection of descriptions of objects and materials prepared by the Quartermaster for the provision of troops" 1915:
              shoulder strap to a saber;
              shoulder strap to a saber for the lower ranks of the guards cavalry;
              harness to a saber for the lower ranks of the Guard Cossack units;
              waist belt cuirassier;
              waist belt for a saber (guards cavalry);
              shoulder strap to the saber of the Turkmen equestrian division.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 20 November 2017 12: 46
                +6
                if there is a photo, discard the Y-shaped sample on the forum. drinks it is interesting!
                1. Curious
                  Curious 20 November 2017 13: 01
                  +6

                  Belt of the Cossack
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 20 November 2017 13: 03
                    +6
                    all believed soldier You both convinced me completely. good drinks still, sometimes you think about how many smart and knowledgeable people on our site what hi thank you both!
        2. Curious
          Curious 20 November 2017 12: 06
          +6
          Yes you are right. Harnesses of various designs and RIA officer hiking belts had cross shoulder straps at the back. One belt at the back was already in the Kaiser army.
          However, your Cossack could put on the RPS-60 belt-shoulder system (1960 model, if my memory serves me), which consisted of supplying the rank and file and staff of the Soviet army.
  5. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 20 November 2017 07: 40
    +3
    But is it interesting whether there are believers there now, do Cypriots go to churches, except for tourists? With such well-being and prosperity? And of course the mosque in such a beautiful cathedral is already wild!
    1. kalibr
      20 November 2017 08: 46
      +8
      In Larnaca, the church had Cypriots, that's for sure. I saw them in other places. I was told that, in general, the people in the church walk and consider themselves to be believers. But the "told" is not a very good source.
    2. Curious
      Curious 20 November 2017 13: 35
      +7
      The Cypriot religiosity is an interesting article - http://tutitam.com/iz-zhizni/razvenchivaem-mify-o
      -religioznosti-kipra
  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 20 November 2017 08: 02
    +3
    He visited Ethiopia and was surprised at first by the fact that they consider themselves to be the “oldest” Christians and that they have all the saints on the icons and the Savior himself .... blacks .....
    1. venaya
      venaya 20 November 2017 09: 08
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Been to Ethiopia ... they consider themselves the oldest Christians .. they have all the saints on the icons and the Savior himself .... blacks .....

      It is unfortunate that this still surprises you. There, officially recognized as the most ancient Christians, Ash Armenians, despite the fact that in Egypt in bulk Christian symbols are still 3 thousand years old! Yes, and the oldest of the existing churches, the Coptic church is determined by the age of 2600 years! And why is everyone silent about this? But here’s the catch: the very symbolism of all forms of Christianity came to the south from the north, and Ethiopians, as it were, are not local, but came to those places ten or a millennium ago, just from the north. So, there’s no contradiction here, it’s just that the primary basis of all this Christian religion was in the north and for a very long time, it was simply called differently from us, and here I already showed an openly Russian-language inscription on mosaics from the current Northern Jordan dated to the 553rd year . There: ".. on this floor mosaic there is the image of a man in a traditional Russian shirt and boots like that of Ivan Tsarevich, and next to the letters of the Old Russian alphabet the word is written CHRIST. "Maybe they saw it, I put it in my post on September 8, 2017 10:50. But this info is only useful to those who are interested in this topic.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 November 2017 09: 26
        +3
        And why, then they have saints and Savior Negroes? True, it must be said that on the icons this “black-skinned” is very different. For example, the Savior, having moderated and rather light coffee color, but Nikolai the Miracle Worker and John the Baptist, outright blacks?
        1. venaya
          venaya 20 November 2017 09: 49
          +3
          Is it really not clear? Indeed, for this very ten-millennium, you can get so tanned that "Mama Do not Cry." I recall how I met with a resident of Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon), since he, as a linguist-polyglot in pure Russian, explained to me that his language comes from Russian, from very ancient Russian and gave numerous examples of this. It’s pitch black itself, and if you sprinkle both of us with chalk, you don’t really distinguish it from each other, because they also came from the north, they say it will be like 25 thousand years, although their “R2” genome separated 35 thousand years ago from ours ” R1 "(or now" R1a1 "). So there is nothing much to be surprised at, because they simply sunbathed and that’s all, plus a little bit mixed up with the local tribes there, and the ancient religion, like they themselves of northern origin, remained with them. Let me remind you that the cross is stylistically simply a simplified swastika, this is especially noticeable in the "Maltese cross", Hitler was very fond of hanging it everywhere, pay attention to this, and there are a lot of other examples of their identity.
          1. kalibr
            20 November 2017 09: 59
            +5
            So after all, the earliest symbol of Christianity is not a cross, but a fish and an image of a shepherd with a sheep on her back - "I am a good shepherd." And it’s not necessary about haplogroups, it’s not necessary, it just doesn’t smell of any Slavs from the north. R1a is in northern India, in Kashmir, in Kyrgyzstan, where the Aryans moved from the steppes to India. But not in Egypt!
            1. venaya
              venaya 20 November 2017 10: 31
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              И no need for haplogroupsnot necessary, just there is no Slavs from the north and does not smell. Especially in Egypt!

              These are the times, where is this cool infa coming from? Everything, absolutely all the studied ancient Egyptian mummies have just not only a haplogroup, but even especially have haplotypes just from the Great Russian Plain. How can you not know this? Yes, I agree, today, especially after the capture of Egypt in the Vth century by the Arabs, the representatives of the haplogroups "R1a1" and "R1b1" in total are already less than 1%, while in other Arab countries they are still at 10% typed, I'm already silent about the Saudi clan from the clan of direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed. How can you still not have learned such simple things today. Today, both culture and such knowledge must already be known in order to truly be considered an educated person, and not so-so, because you still live in a camp with the oldest culture of mankind and not among wild tribes, for example, the islands of Oceania. And as for the term "Slavs" - after all, the God of the sun "Ra", just in Egypt, was always depicted with the head of a falcon, from this word comes the Etruscan "falconry", later the Latin "skloveny" and later, introduced already under the term " Slavs". It is also desirable to know about this and never forget. Mavro Orbini also wrote about this, but you are not supposed to read such books, apparently there is a very severe restriction for you, unfortunately. And what is the oldest symbol of Christianity is that it follows from the most clearly Russian-speaking name of this religious direction, even the inscription and the original and Russian-language ones are available on this subject, which I already wrote about here, and not some later nonsense about unknown people .
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 20 November 2017 11: 19
            +5
            I recall how I met with a resident of Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon), since he, as a linguist-polyglot in pure Russian, explained to me that his language comes from Russian, from very ancient Russian and gave numerous examples of this.

            Vyacheslav, and under what circumstances did you meet with him? hi I just saw blacks and other mulattos in the Dominican Republic - many also speak Russian fairly well, and they push stuff as well. All language is taught when earnings depend on it. wink I was especially finished off by an African-American who was spinning around me with pleading eyes and persuading him to buy his cigar from his hands (it is not recommended to buy anything from his hands) with the words: "Brother, brother ....". I almost explained how much he "brother" to me on the gene pool request laughing
            1. venaya
              venaya 20 November 2017 11: 51
              +2
              Quote: Mikado
              .. under what circumstances did you meet him?

              He published with us with his studies just in the field of linguistics about and with the connection of a large number of dialects both in India and in his homeland in Sri Lanka with Russian and especially with the ancient Russian language. He was then interesting to me on the basis of his unexpected knowledge then, and I was interested in him as a representative of native speakers, and besides, he knew this nuance of interest to this topic. So if this man was trading in our country, then only with his knowledge and his original research. Perhaps you are far from these mutual interests for both of us, if you think that only traders are polyglot. I have often met in my life foreigners madly in love with the Russian language itself and, to my surprise, sometimes they know it better than me. But after all, this was not an ordinary amateur polyglot, but there are practically only a few people like him and in our country who know the principles of word formation in different languages ​​to the depths. I myself believe that the opinion of such foreigners is worth a lot, because he had no need to cheat on anything. By the way, connoisseurs of the most, quite developed, Russian language among foreigners in my life for some reason often. Maybe there is an objective reason for all this?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 20 November 2017 13: 19
                +6
                By the way, connoisseurs of the most, quite developed, Russian language among foreigners in my life for some reason often. Maybe there is an objective reason for all this?

                and so often it turns out. If you are fond of something, then sometimes fate itself brings interesting people “on the topic”.
                I have often met in my life foreigners madly in love with the Russian language itself and, to my surprise, sometimes they know it better than me.

                it only gives them respect, sincerely! hi
              2. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 6 July 2018 02: 09
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                Quote: venaya
                He published with us with his studies just in the field of linguistics about and with the connection of a large number of dialects both in India and in his homeland in Sri Lanka with Russian and especially with the ancient Russian language. He was then interesting to me on the basis of his unexpected knowledge then, and I was interested in him as a representative of native speakers, and besides, he knew this nuance of interest to this topic.

                Incidentally, the real fact is that Sanskrit and the Proto-Slavic language really have a lot in common.
      2. kalibr
        20 November 2017 09: 54
        +2
        They blackened these northern Ethiopians from the cold ...
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 November 2017 12: 01
        10
        "the oldest of the existing churches, the Coptic church
        determined by the age of 2600 years! "////

        So, they foresaw that the Savior would appear, 500 years before his birth. laughing
        And, apparently, prepared in advance. wink

        Actually, the first Coptic church in Alexandria was founded by the holy Apostle Mark. He was born after the death of Christ in the Christian community. He wrote the gospel.
        1. venaya
          venaya 20 November 2017 12: 46
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          So, they foresaw that the Savior would appear, 500 years before his birth.
          And, apparently, prepared in advance ..

          To begin with, 2600 years ago, Egypt, as it were, became part of the Persian Empire, an empire created just by the northern people and with the northern proto-religions, that is, proto-Christian. By the way, the question of when Jesus was born or not born was already decided by Christ only in the XV-XVIth centuries. Then just the calendars "from the birth of Christ" began to make. At that level of science and in those centuries, the accuracy of plus or minus 600-700 years is quite acceptable. After all, who really knows him "when he was born there." I think this should be understood. Something I trust the Egyptians of those years more, because they then just calculated the diameter of the earth, though they made a 5% error (they did not take parallax into account when measuring due to atmospheric refraction of the rays of sunlight). And in the Middle Ages in "Europe" (such a concept has just appeared there), for the idea that you see the Earth is round - people were burned alive at the stake! You must understand the difference in this! By the way, the Bible itself was finally finalized at that time. And what was in it before that? After all, the story is silent about this, maybe the age of Christ is not only 2600 years old, but maybe much more? Who knows, who knows .. So with our current level of knowledge on these issues, nothing can be said confidently yet.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 20 November 2017 13: 38
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            You see, the Jews have their own calendar. Leading start, as it were
            "from the creation of the world." It is not the oldest, and perhaps not the best.
            I am not talking about that. Jewish trading people, rabbis, politicians very early, even before our era, began to put a date on business letters. And some of these letters have reached
            to the present day. By matching dates on letters and events or people,
            which were discussed in the letter, you can adjust (compare dates) and many other annals, descriptions and documents of European and Asian history.
            These letters do not confirm the “gaps in time”, which are emphasized
            supporters of Fomenko and other alternative historians.
            The execution of Christ (briefly described) is reflected
            in two Jewish Talmuds (due to the fact that the death sentence was NOT for premeditated murder was the rarest case in Jewish court practices of that period). And the execution date fits 1) into all previous events:
            the long reign of King Herod, which is well documented and 2) subsequent events: the Hebrew uprising against Rome, the Judean War, which is also well documented.
            After the Judean War and the Bar Kochba rebellion, the Romans are declining.
            deport the Jewish population to remote provinces of their Empire.
            But from 3-4 centuries of our era, Christianity has had a rise, and it spreads throughout the Roman Empire.
          2. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 6 July 2018 02: 14
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            Quote: venaya
            And in the Middle Ages in "Europe" (such a concept has just appeared there), for the idea that you see the Earth is round - people were burned alive at the stake! You must understand the difference in this! By the way, the Bible itself was finally finalized at that time.

            Hm, dear Vyacheslav, you immediately make two mistakes:
            1). Could you give examples that people were burned EXACTLY because they thought the Earth was round? In fact, read at its leisure the Book of Genesis - there are even words there - "hung the Earth on nothing" ...

            2). And will you please the scientific world with proof that the Bible was CORRECTED precisely in the 16 century? It seems that there are Masoretic texts of the Early Middle Ages, so they show complete identity by this time. There are also scrolls of the Dead Sea, and even a fragment of the Gospel of the end of 1-beginning. 2 centuries - which are also fully consistent with Bible books ...
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 20 November 2017 11: 51
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      There is a small Ethiopian church in the Old City of Jerusalem - there
      Jesus is also a Negro. They are so closer and more understandable. Own, dear. In China, Jesus is Chinese.
      1. venaya
        venaya 20 November 2017 12: 26
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        .. in the Old City of Jerusalem a small Ethiopian church - there
        Jesus is also a Negro. .. In China, Jesus is a Chinese.

        This moment is very important. The fact is that I am describing Christ himself, and here we are talking about a certain "Jesus", as I understand it. But after all, “Jesus” is apparently not visible, the word is from Hebrew. Another thing is Christ, or as it was written in the original in antiquity in Russian "CHRIST"That is, this is a different concept in another language, that is, in ancient Russian. Agree that the concept of" cross "(Christ) from Russian and the concept of" Jesus "(leader / messiah from Hebrew) have a completely different meaning in content. The first is the worship of the symbol of the god of the sun (Ra, Yara, etc.), the other is the worship of the leader or the messiah.This is so noticeable and quite fundamental, you must admit. By the way, I read that in the Middle East in very old synagogues even The swastika and swastika ornaments are very often laid out on the floor itself, which can indicate a rather close connection between both the early forms of Judaism and the early forms of Christianity, perhaps even earlier forms than can be assumed now. I guess no one has studied.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 November 2017 13: 44
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          The symbol of Christianity for a long time was the image of fish, not the cross (almost all
          the apostles were fishermen).
          And it was a symbol forbidden by the authorities for which they were persecuted.
          The cross appeared much later. And he did not look like a modern cross. it
          was the letter "T". Nothing to do with the symmetrical symbols of the sun worshipers - the various "great" swastikas.
          -------------------
          "" Jesus "(leader / messiah - from Hebrew)" ////

          No. Jesus is in Hebrew: Yesh, or Yeshua. (the Hebrew “sh” is always replaced by the Greeks with “c,” since there are no hissing in Greek). It was such a Jewish name. Not very common, but common.
          And the messiah in Hebrew: mashiach. As you can see, again the "w" is replaced by the "c".
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 20 November 2017 14: 04
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            The symbol of Christianity for a long time was the image of fish

            not relevant to Christianity is my comment. hi The fish was also a symbol of the Roman gladiators-marmillons. As far as I understand, they were often released in tandem with the retarians, who, for their part, should have entangled them in a net, hence the allegorical expression - they say, "you are fish caught in the nets." request
  7. kalibr
    20 November 2017 09: 48
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    Quote: Boris55
    I'm sure your apology for the drum,

    Did I apologize to someone?
  8. kalibr
    20 November 2017 09: 51
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    Quote: Boris55
    Yes. Our culture is not western. Three civilizations have formed in the world - Western civilization, Eastern civilization and Russian civilization. Islamic civilization is only being formed. The difference between all these civilizations is in their culture.

    And you will not tell us anything about the civilizations of the mainland Mu and Lemuria, as well as about Arctida - the original homeland of the Slavs. Or have you not gone so far into antiquity?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 20 November 2017 14: 46
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      as well as about Arctida - the original homeland of the Slavs.

      and I thought the pra-fascists lived there. belay Proven by Hitler. Although, maybe I’m confusing the continents .. recourse
      But on the Antarctic there lived a bloodthirsty tribe of penguin pitopithecus - proved by Marat laughing
      1. mar4047083
        mar4047083 20 November 2017 21: 32
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        Hello Nikolai. I ask you, do not ascribe to me the successes of others. Pingvinopithecus was first discovered by the authors of the site Anthropogenesis.Ru. Personally, I am satisfied with their point of view, which is why I posted a picture from the site (the figure had the Anthropogenesis.Ru logo). This was done for the sole purpose of encouraging the “most thoughtful” commentators to visit this site and listen to a series of lectures entitled “Scientists Against Myths”. Therefore, at the mention of Penguin Pitek, a reference to copyright holders is more appropriate. To me personally, this ancestor of the Aryans is deeply likable. Normal people (Rusichs) came precisely from him
      2. mar4047083
        mar4047083 20 November 2017 21: 38
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        The boisterous Anglo-Saxon races from this
      3. mar4047083
        mar4047083 20 November 2017 21: 43
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        Other "basurman" descended from these individuals
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 21 November 2017 10: 38
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          "other basurman" impressed the most belay
          I ask you, do not ascribe to me the successes of others.

          I personally introduced you to this point of view, which is why I am grateful to you! hi drinks and not only me. You first voiced it on the site, it seems. good hi
  9. kalibr
    20 November 2017 09: 56
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    Christianity in Russia came from the West

    Where is this from?
  10. kalibr
    20 November 2017 10: 09
    +4
    That's for sure, and even received fees from them. I will take advice. bully
    Hurry, otherwise they have nothing to do there - puzzle them.
    And "for a long time" is nevertheless written together ... "From them" is also cool. And we still blame our youth for some reason - victims of the USE. It is clear that a person can miss one or two letters or a comma in the heat of polemic enthusiasm. But that's just not necessary.
  11. kalibr
    20 November 2017 10: 35
    +3
    Quote: venaya
    it is precisely in Egypt that the falcon’s head was always depicted, from this word the Etruscan “falconry” comes, later the Latin “skloveny” and later, introduced here under the term “Slavs”.

    It seems that the verbiage of all Russia has died?
  12. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 20 November 2017 17: 41
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    Interesting and topical article
    Great photos
    I liked the discussion
    I want to say that it was not in vain before, before the revolution, more attention was paid to religion than to nationality.
    It later went
    The Negro is Orthodox closer to me personally than Russian, but ... In general, they understood
    As for the belts - I really liked the materials of Curius, Mikado and Amurts.
    As a joke (I disagree myself)) I recall a joke: a new uniform was introduced for ensigns. One shoulder strap iron - so it’s more convenient to carry bags, and a two-finger wide belt - so that the belly does not fall out laughing
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 20 November 2017 18: 05
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      One iron epaulet - to make it easier to carry the bags, and a two-finger wide belt - so that the belly does not fall out laughing

      good my relatives from the fleet joked: "an officer is a fist, and a midshipman is a middle peasant." Why a fist? He squeezed it in his fist and then took it home. Why midshipman middle peasant? He goes home - in front of the bag, behind the bag, in the middle. drinks joke! Thank you for your kind opinion! glad to come every day! hi
      1. Some kind of compote
        Some kind of compote 20 November 2017 18: 47
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        laughing
        Almost every day
        I will try every drinks
        Thank you for your interest and positive tone. hi