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And what about the role of our "brothers"?

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Despite the fact that some of our readers openly accuse us of Ukrainophobia and anti-Ukrainianism, we still continue to reflect on what is happening inside Ukrainian heads today. And we do it not for Ukrainians, of course, but for Russians. In Ukraine, we are hardly read, but understanding for Russians is an important component. At least so that we do not have the next cultural and intellectual shock in the case of Maidan-3 or Odessa-2.


And what about the role of our "brothers"?


That this happens, if we had doubts, then every day they, like smoke, evaporate. At least, Ukrainians are doing quite a lot for this.

We do not draw our conclusions on the basis of statements by high-ranking officials or experts of various kinds. We were most interested in the lowest level of the hierarchical ladder of Ukraine. Those who today-tomorrow will go to serve in the ATO, repair Tanks and send SMS with the help of the glorious soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Everyone with whom we communicated at a simple everyday level perceived our questions in completely different ways and, accordingly, gave answers. Someone perceived it as an information war, in which you just need to win. Someone, on the contrary, as a PR campaign of authors on the "hot" topic. For some, the topic was simply "dead" and the answer then, at best, was "yes, they went, these politicians." At worst - known routes, defined by the prepositions "in", "to" and "on".

However, a certain amount of information was collected and assimilated, from which this topic was born.

Today the topic is "ripe". And the problem that will be discussed has already become global for Ukraine, and for us as well. Today, Ukraine is exactly the same country as all the others. Ukraine is already far from Russia and not even a good neighbor. The problem of Donbass every day becomes a real threat of war. This is what the Donetsk residents are telling us. This is spoken by quite a few citizens of Ukraine. And this threat is not in interstate relations between our two countries. The threat in the generation that now "rules the ball" in Ukraine. The threat in those purely human relationships that always exist between ordinary people.

In the comments to any article about Ukraine, you will definitely find something like this: “The author is already tired of this nedostran. Let them live as they want. They kill each other, they destroy the industry, they sell their unique land, fall under the US or the European Union. charges. "

Even the citizens of Ukraine write about the same. "Tired, do not watch TV. Survive" ...

Survival, in fact, killed politicization in their heads. Those who survived from the time of the USSR and are not particularly susceptible to propaganda, alas, but the number of people in this category has significantly decreased in the post-Mayd period. The category of those who have become apolitical for 45-50. 9 from 10 says directly that they don't trust anyone. And they will not support anyone in the elections.

But it is this category of voters that makes up the bulk of those who go to the polls. Younger "boys and girls" often ignore such activities. They solve political issues in a more radical way. March with torches. Poorat on Independence. Turn a couple of cars ... This is more like the process of "revolution".

Naturally, now by virtue of the profession, we communicate with this category. And also make some conclusions. Findings of their own, based on personal conversations, at meetings, on the participation in information "get-togethers" on the Internet. We did not use any official data.

So, what is the Ukrainian youth politically? Those who have not found the Soviet Union and who have an idea about Russia, about stories Ukraine, on the structure of the world formed already in the period of Ukrainian statehood.

The percentage of 35-40 young people are clearly tuned to emigration. And run away from the country at the earliest opportunity. Moreover, the place of the future life is absolutely not important. The main thing is to get everything at once. And preferably without problems. This category is completely apolitical, as well as parents, and look at the world exclusively with the “belly.” "I want to go where well fed." In a not very well-fed country, this is both normal and justified.

The next group is not particularly left from the first. A small but existing in the political realities of Ukraine group of nihilists. They have already understood that nothing happens just like that. You have to pay for everything. And I do not want to pay. They are "old" in advance. "Live as you like and come what may." The curve is still somewhere take out.

The 10-15 percentages are "peace loving reformers". They understand that the country must be reformed, but it must be done through improved laws, through economic growth, through the development of their own country. In principle, this category was supposed to form the backbone of the "revolutionaries." But they are not fighters. They are not able to fight and shout down the opponent.

And finally, the largest category of youth in Ukraine. The very radicals who are actively involved in all the revolutionary events. They learned from childhood, at the subconscious level they know that the main enemy is Russia. They do not need proof of this hostility, and those who are trying to tell the truth about modern Russia automatically become enemies of the nation. If you like, their personal enemies.

They volunteer for the ATO. They form the backbone of radical organizations. They are clearly "sharpened" by the enemy. About Russia, the conversation has already been. But the enemy in the eyes of these young people can be any state that ceases to support their revolution. Today it is Poland, Hungary, Germany. These countries "betrayed the ideals of Maidan" and "have centuries-old ties with imperial Russia." And most importantly, "these countries have always tried to oppress free Ukrainians."

Probably, after the decision of the United States, after all, not to give money for the junta, the Americans will also turn into enemies ...

By the way, here it is necessary to dispel another myth that exists in Russia. The basis of this category is not "zapadentsy". No, it is most often students of universities and other educational institutions. And from central and southern Ukraine. For Western Ukraine, on the contrary, the separatist sentiments of the “Crimean” model are characteristic. Separate from this "madhouse" and join a European country. It is desirable that for this they had nothing. In order not to beat them, as they beat Donbass today. You know, a sort of modern dream Oblomov. Live well and do nothing.

In the comments to the articles there is another topic that meets constantly. "We are fraternal peoples. Most Russians have relatives in Ukraine. And you want to embroil them with your articles. We have to wait for the change of power in Kiev and everything will be the same" ...

We admit that at some time we, too, considered our peoples fraternal. It was driven into us in the Soviet school. Yes, so deeply hammered that became part of the world.

However, over time, simple questions began to arise. For the four postmaid years, show us at least one proof of our "fraternity." One! We can give hundreds of examples of what we, Russians, are called to remember about the fraternal people. Pay stupidity younger "brother." But there is no evidence from the Ukrainian side!

Brothers differ from friends and acquaintances in that they are not chosen. They just are. And what do we see in relation to us from the Ukrainian side? The "brotherhood" is remembered exactly when there is nothing to eat. Next year we will definitely become “brothers” again. Just because the Ukrainians are hoping for a “brotherhood” to buy another agreement on the transit of oil and gas. We will be such "brothers" that participants from both sides will kiss our gums at our political shows.

There is a person like the body, such "brothers". Many and different. Only they are called differently. Strange, but with these "brothers" we fight. We kill them in all available and inaccessible ways. Even harming their own health.

Family ties? Is there a person in Russia who has all the family ties in Ukraine? Is there a person who has not heard or read angry words about himself? Yes, those from which the hair stood on end. Is there a person who did not “delve into himself”? “Maybe the truth is that we have done something bad to the Ukrainians?” We doubt, but we allow, of course.

And then, why is our "brotherhood" accompanied by such anti-Russian hysteria? Why do the "brothers" collect money for the whole world for their soldiers who "are at war with the Russian-separatist troops in Donbass"? Why in the border areas of Russia almost every week the FSB catches the next "shpygunov"? Why are the specialists in "constant tension" from the real possibility of terrorist attacks from Ukraine? Why recently, in one of the Ukrainian social networks, we read the "memories of the taiga arsonist"?

The man allegedly worked in the Krasnoyarsk Territory and set fire to the taiga. In free from working days at the aggressor time. It is clear that this is most likely a fake message. Who wrote it in general from the territory of Ukraine did not leave. Or traveled, but did not set on fire. Taiga and so burns itself, as with the help of man, and without. Or indeed, he went and set on fire.

But who made him write it? And how will other "workers" react to such a feat? This is exactly the "brother" wrote? And likes him put "brothers" Russian?

So, smoothly, we go on another topic, which is often written about. The theme of these most "workers". It always strikes our man’s ability to invent a question. Then answer it yourself and still argue. Quiet with yourself ...

Most of the citizens of Russia have a rather positive or loyal attitude towards Ukrainian workers. It is difficult for ordinary people of the neighboring country. Hard to live. Therefore, let us have a little "fed up." Look around. Then they will come to Ukraine and tell about the lies that they write about us and say in the Ukrainian media.

Yes, and by their low demands, Ukrainians make our enterprises competitive in the global market. On the one hand, ready-made professionals who practically do not need training, and on the other hand, they do not require high salaries and, consequently, ensure low production costs. Ukrainians will leave and Russians will come to their place. Require higher wages and thereby reduce the competitiveness of products! And here to you, as result - the next rise in prices.

We think you read such "economists' opuses."

Okay, about the salaries of Russians who are really dropping from the presence of serious competition in the labor market. This is an inexhaustible topic. But competitiveness is worth talking about. Is it good about what you wrote above? Not reminiscent of the Soviet Union? What part of the cost of production is the wage of the employee? This is the basis of economics for first graders. Maybe the old fashioned way? To modernize production, introduce the most modern technologies, reduce additional costs?

For Ukrainians today there is only one god - Hryvnia! From which it is transformed, do not care. From the ruble, dollar, euro, zloty ... The main thing - to get! The main thing is to support the family, and, consequently, the country. It is possible to get the hryvnia at home - well. No - go ahead in the "Zarobitchan". Bring the currency and provide war, "reform", the fight against Russian influence and other revolutionary activities. You are a slave of the state and must make a profit for this state.

And, say, this concerns the Russians to some extent. Yes, but we do not need to go anywhere yet. And, speaking of the slave relationship of a person and the state, it does not matter in principle that we mean Ukraine or Russia.

But, as one of the interlocutors told us, “how many hryvnias do not print, they are paperless without a dollar or ruble.” Accordingly, the extraction of mineral hryvnia through the ruble or the dollar is quite a task for the public and private levels.

And here comes an interesting thought. Can a slave be friends with his master? Or be a "brother"? Can a slave who must earn and bring money to the owner of money by any means be a "friend" to the one who allows him to do this? Alas, can not. There is an insoluble contradiction between these people. Both want to make money and both are unhappy with the profits of the other.

We talk and write for a long time that Ukraine is being used. Russia, the USA, Western Europe, China ... It all depends on the political orientation of the one who speaks. But is it? Or maybe everything is exactly the opposite? Maybe Ukraine uses the world around it? Why strained relations with neighbors? Just because it comes time to pay the bills. And oh how Ukrainians do not like to pay. "Write off the debt! You wrote off Cuba!" And again about the "brotherhood" ...

We think that exactly the same will soon be heard by the Europeans and the Americans. Interest on the debt must be paid. And every year more and more. And there is nothing to pay. So, new debts. And, in the end, there will be European and American "moskalyaki", which simply need "to Gilyaku" ...

Otherwise, the “Ukrainian brothers” will simply not survive.

We have long talked about the generation of enemies, which will appear "soon." And this "soon" came. This generation is now in Ukraine the main political force. They do not alter. They are not rehabilitated. They will not leave.

It should be clearly understood that the Ukraine, which we still remember, no longer exists and never will.

There is a parody of the modern Baltic states and Poland. And an aggressive and vile parody. There is an insidious enemy who uses us today, but tomorrow, with pleasure, will thrust the knife into our back.

It is very difficult to understand a normal person, but we will try to do something in this direction. And with this we will be helped by two former graduates of the history department of the Kiev Taras Shevchenko University, one of whom “loves” Russia so much that he kindly agreed to provide all the necessary documents and hold consultations on the topic “Why Russia is an enemy of Ukraine.”

By documents, if someone does not understand, we mean educational and methodical literature, on the basis of which Ukrainian patriots are raised today. And successfully brought up, by the way.

In general, as we believe, it is time to, if not bury, then seriously rethink the myth of some "fraternal peoples." By the way, this is not only about Ukraine.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 November 2017 06: 31 New
    +7
    Roma, there are young people, if the massacre starts again, ready to escape from ukroin not 30 but all 90 percent! !! Many are not running now because there is simply no money, sick parents are keeping them under the “cap” of the Natsiks and SBU, but if there is a mass call tomorrow, believe it will be all buried, and these herds will be broken for us - you can’t keep the border.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 16 November 2017 06: 56 New
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      The author indicated the investigation, but the reason seems to me to be that the RUSSIAN government invested in all of Ukraine. It was the EU and the United States that bought the oligarchs of Ukraine and the current apologists for the Nazi authorities, who not only rule but also justify the right of Ukrainians to any vileness with zeal.
      On the outskirts, they really wanted a lot of things, but there weren’t any talents and the skills were frankly not enough, but I want to, these were the representatives of the EU and the USA. But the rest is a little more complicated, all their claims are expressed only in the fact that nobody personally paid them either for friendship or for fraternity, neither with the people of RUSSIA, nor with the state of RUSSIA. From that insult and transfer of buns from the EU and the USA, about the fact that someone is taught for free, someone helped to make a fortune, but RUSSIA took and began to help everyone. To all the people in Ukraine. Well, how can you survive this ?. All under one comb, even the most.
      Such * grievances * in all * former * fraternal, and not only in Ukraine.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 16 November 2017 07: 17 New
        +9
        Extremely interesting article!
        I look forward to continuing.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 16 November 2017 10: 09 New
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          Quote: Author: Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov
          By the way, here it is necessary to dispel another myth that exists in Russia. The basis of this category is not at all “zapadentsy”. No, these are most often university students and other educational institutions. Moreover, from central and southern Ukraine. For western Ukraine, on the contrary, separatist sentiments of the “Crimean” type are typical. Separate from this "madhouse" and join the European country.

          This is just a myth, in my opinion. Their Jesuit propaganda has been promoting this idea for a long time, this is their goal. So that the skidnyaks fought with each other and self-destruct. Of course, in the center and in the south there are enough fools, marginals and cowards who participate in this. Fascist propaganda in kindergarten, school, university curriculum, media, etc. promotes.
          BUT. We must not forget how, even under Yusche and even earlier, all the Kiev ministries connected with propaganda and simply culture and education settled the very zapadents. And even Tabachnik could not in any way correct this situation in his ministry. In my opinion, he did not try. He just chatted, misled people.
          Greek Catholic "priests" support the war. Aren't they in the Nazi formations?
          Do not forget what happened behind Zbruch, while the center and the south were silent or kept to pro-Russian moods.
          All fascist evil in Ukraine is due to Zbruch, however, the evil bearers have long moved to Kiev and dispersed to the areas they received in feeding Ukraine.
          PS. I am inclined to explain the presence of fascist organizations in the Kharkiv and Sumy regions after hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the territory of modern Poland brought there after Operation Vistula (ethnic cleansing) in order to change the ethnic composition of purely Russian Slobozhanshchina.
          1. Alber
            Alber 17 November 2017 11: 04 New
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            Quote: Nikolay S.
            Fascist propaganda in kindergarten, school, university curriculum, media, etc. promotes.

            Quote: Nikolay S.
            All fascist evil in Ukraine is due to Zbruch ...

            Quote: Nikolay S.
            I am inclined to explain the presence of fascist organizations in the Kharkiv and Sumy regions after hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the territory of modern Poland brought there after Operation Vistula (ethnic cleansing) in order to change the ethnic composition of purely Russian Slobozhanshchina.

            The most interesting thing is that the Nazi-Bandera-Fascist ideology is promoted by such "purebred" Ukrainians of the kartobavoobrazny breed as Farion, Turchinov-Kogany, Poroshenko-Valtsmani, Tyagniboki-Frotmany, Tymoshenko-Kapitelmani, Yaroshi-Yaroshenko-Yaroshuki. And these wretched comrade’s heads set ordinary people on Russians, on Russians
          2. michey
            michey 20 November 2017 16: 19 New
            +1
            That's right. It is enough to talk with people in the south-east and at the memory. In the southeast, in any major city, a significant% of the population supports LDNR, albeit passively. At the memory, even adequate people opposed to the war (and there are generally fewer of them) do not support LDNR in principle.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 11: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: Tatiana
          I look forward to continuing.

          What are the sequels, Tatyana? Everything is clear as God's day: ceaseless informational propaganda "Russia and Putin personally are to blame for all the troubles that independent patriots are suffering." Add to this the slogan "Vysmirsny" and that’s all - oil painting ....
          Listening to the speeches of non-EzalEzhezhny experts invited to our TVs, there is a clear understanding that there is only one dream in the minds of the maydans: "Karfa ..., tfu, Russia must be wiped off the face of the Earth ..."
          The former Ukraine, as a state, is in a depressed state - from thoughts in their heads to the state of the economy. Armed nationalists under the slogan "Let's fight back Russian aggression!" control ALL the vital centers of the country - from the Rada to the small town village councils. Yes .... Many bandits "from the Maidan" in power do not like. But that is power. And it is legitimate in the whole of Banderostan.
          For a simple layman, a mechanism of brain self-defense worked in their heads, which became "If they don’t kill me, then everything is fine. I’m alive, and this is the main thing." And they absolutely do not care that somewhere purposefully and non-stop killing citizens of Ukraine. Because power declared them separatists, bandits, Russian troops.
          The visa-free visa issued by the EU to Banderostan is an open valve that has relieved the excessive malice accumulated by the people over the post-Maidan period. But with great fanfare it was called "Peramoga."
          "Ukraine is on fire" - this is the ideal scenario that the maydanists in ecstasy enforce.
          1. michey
            michey 20 November 2017 16: 21 New
            0
            A simple layman there is deprived of the right to vote and is crushed by the authorities on the one hand and the Natsiks on the other. Those who nevertheless raise their voices are judged as "separatists" or they are attacked by Natsik. And all the more striking is that at the same time heroes of the atom
        3. ID90
          ID90 16 November 2017 12: 01 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Extremely interesting article!
          I look forward to continuing.

          Dear authors.
          I think it's time to end this propaganda hysteria about Ukraine.
          In Russia, a sea of ​​its problems.
          the dominance of Caucasians in Moscow and the southern regions.
          drop in education.
          liquidation of free medicine.
          furious corruption.
          and then you open the news section 11-20 and there are half of the articles about Ukrainians.
          and the maximum number of comments was collected by an article about Zyuganov and Sobchak.
          Why is there a total debilitation of people? why don't people want to think?
          1. domokl
            domokl 17 November 2017 08: 39 New
            +8
            Quote: ID90
            I think it's time to end this propaganda hysteria about Ukraine.

            laughing For sure. And it’s time to finish the Baltics, about NATO, about the USA, Syria, North Korea ... We have so many problems inside the country ... And this is all propaganda (Dissemination and in-depth explanation of some ideas, teachings, knowledge, Wick) .. .
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 17 November 2017 09: 34 New
              +7
              Precisely, and generally fenced off from everyone by a wall 50 m high. And all problems should be solved with oneself. Yes, one should not forget the body of Lenin from the Mausoleum to endure and universal happiness and prosperity will come. laughing
          2. 97110
            97110 17 November 2017 09: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: ID90
            Why is there a total debilitation of people?

            Democracy, Duck ...
          3. Winnie76
            Winnie76 17 November 2017 19: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: ID90
            I think it's time to end this propaganda hysteria about Ukraine.
            In Russia, a sea of ​​its problems.

            Nadezhdin Detected
          4. Yarhann
            Yarhann 20 November 2017 15: 36 New
            0
            and Caucasians that are not people, do you think you’re better — you are clearly an Aryan judging by this attitude to this ethnic group.
          5. michey
            michey 20 November 2017 16: 21 New
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            Do not read. I don’t understand such cries, sorry. I'm not interested in topics I just do not read.
      2. SergF123
        SergF123 17 November 2017 09: 48 New
        +2
        I agree with you, they just forgot to add about the purchased media and security forces with a "corrupt past", on which they made a support, in the so-called ATO, because the results are the same - those who know how to steal - do not know how to fight.
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    3. horhe48
      horhe48 16 November 2017 09: 36 New
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      Yes, no. 26 years of intensive brainwashing and the introduction of Pro-Bandera nationalism at the state level do not go in vain. Previously, we had to think about it and take measures. And our Foreign Ministry, intelligence and completely useless analysts work very poorly. Who worked as ambassadors in Kiev? " Zlatoust "Yeltsin timelessness Chernomyrdin," grave digger "of pension and social security of Russians Zurabov. What they did to one god there, and probably the "narrow circle of limited persons" is known. That's what they have gained ... But someone promoted, appointed, instructed, received reports, allegedly “analytical” notes, etc. Everyone missed Ukraine. Now, and for a long time, this is the enemy. And hoping that they suddenly there is something, with some kind of fright, they are very reminiscent of the short-sighted conviction of the political leaders of the Red Army of the Second World War, who explained to the Red Army that the German soldiers the workers and peasants are entirely, and therefore they will not rise today or tomorrow against the oppressive capitalists and will either surrender en masse, or turn their weapons against Hitler themselves.
      1. dSK
        dSK 17 November 2017 01: 49 New
        +9
        Quote: horhe48
        All missed Ukraine. Now and for a long time is the enemy

        Introduce a visa regime, (this is quickly done) that will stop the influx of "maydanutyh" in Russia. hi
        1. 97110
          97110 17 November 2017 10: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: dsk
          Introduce a visa regime

          Under any cover. Every day, from a box "A shopping center is burning in Moscow ..." A warehouse is burning in Rostov ... ". Firefighters establish the reasons. Which are always, always a mandatory goat on the network. Does this goat have a name? For example, PS, SBU? No ? Why not? They did not hesitate to promise and promise (!) To do it. Of course, it will be more obvious for the world community if they repeat ALL the achievements of the Chechen Basayevites in the fight against Russia. But we, ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, need it?
          1. michey
            michey 20 November 2017 16: 24 New
            0
            Is there at least one fact of arson by Ukrainians? no? then it's just your stuffing
            1. 97110
              97110 20 November 2017 17: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: michey
              Is there at least one fact of arson by Ukrainians?

              Yes, here you are right - the goat set fire to everything. Ukrainians, white and fluffy, are not dangerous for you.
              1. michey
                michey 20 November 2017 21: 13 New
                0
                That is, you have no facts. Plum counted, which I congratulate you on.
                Svidomo Muscovites to blame for everything, and some couch patriots it turns out, Ukrainians)))
                1. 97110
                  97110 20 November 2017 21: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: michey
                  and some couch patriots

                  Do not be smart. So diligently, as if they promised the dollar. Cheat.
                  1. michey
                    michey 21 November 2017 09: 07 New
                    0
                    So far, you tried to summarize and merged. Total unkind.
                    1. 97110
                      97110 21 November 2017 09: 34 New
                      +1
                      Quote: michey
                      Total unkind.

                      Mutually.
        2. your1970
          your1970 17 November 2017 11: 37 New
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          Quote: dsk
          Quote: horhe48
          All missed Ukraine. Now and for a long time is the enemy

          Introduce a visa regime, (this is quickly being done) which will help to stop the influx of "maydanutyh" into Russia. [/ b] hi

          - in your opinion, to start cleaning and to remove from 1,5 to 3 million (according to various estimates) people - citizens of Ukraine - it's easy and fast ?????? The cost of deportation 1 (one !!!) person heading to Central Asia from Moscow- 4,100 rub (to the border!) ... Plus they need to be controlled.
          Fast you are ours fool fool fool
      2. Leila Nagieva
        Leila Nagieva 17 November 2017 11: 01 New
        +2
        It is sad to us to realize, but Russia missed Ukraine completely consciously, limiting itself to the role of observer; otherwise, a “vaccine” against the resuscitation of Bandera would be used, which prevents the reformatting of consciousness in the growing generation. Perhaps, figuratively speaking, in the depths of her soul, Russia had such goals and, carefully hiding them from her "brother", she even took certain actions, however, in general ... purely in terms of the external layout, they are not visible ...
        1. putnik115
          putnik115 19 November 2017 11: 59 New
          +3
          Why is it "sad"? Enough of whining about how Russia “missed” Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Georgia with Kazakhstan. If these limitrophs are happy in their independence - the flag is in their hands. What did Russia have from the fact that for 400 years it had not taken its boobs out of the Khokhlyat’s throat? It is necessary to deal with its 1/6 inhabited land. They are what they want. And stop being scared of talking about how Ukrainians "leave for America." To hell with a bald man, they did not surrender to America. Let them dream of "Jewels." That crest who argues about the “blow to Russia” is simply an unwise person who does not know history. With Russia, nothing ever ended in a “blow." Only war, only destruction and victory. Stop whining already. Forget about Ukrainians. Forget, hammer a bolt on them and go about their business. Allow their special services to calmly catch pests and crush them. Already tired of these brothers.
      3. michey
        michey 20 November 2017 16: 24 New
        +1
        Most residents of Ukraine, even in their crooked social. polls in the Russian Federation do not see the enemy.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 16 November 2017 11: 44 New
      +1
      Sometimes I watch one of the most popular in Ukraine humorous programs "95 Quarter" with Zelensky. The halls are jam-packed. But Russophobia is not there (or I did not come across). But they spread their power in the tail and mane. It turns out that not everything is so gloomy. Another Ukraine still exists.
      1. domokl
        domokl 17 November 2017 08: 42 New
        +7
        You are lucky. But I saw a lot of nationalist, anti-Russian. Both in the Quarter and in Diesel ...
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 17 November 2017 10: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          Sometimes I watch one of the most popular in Ukraine humorous programs "95 Quarter" with Zelensky. The halls are jam-packed. But Russophobia is not there (or I did not come across). But they spread their power in the tail and mane. It turns out that not everything is so gloomy. Another Ukraine still exists.

          Mr. Zelensky may because of origin, may because of territorial residence, very often changed his shoes. but his words when he gave a concert (in the ATO zone) “thank you for protecting us from various scum.” apparently this is how he considers those living in his country, and those who came to prevent them from living in his country. my friend’s grandfather commanded the NKVD troops to clean up the west of Ukraine and Belarus. lived to 95 years. had injuries and rewards. when they caught the next hero asked him how he was and why he killed his people. and received an answer from him (THIS IS NOT MY PEOPLE). and now, in Nenko, many do not know their people. the difficulty is that the western Ukraine consists of people who consider themselves who benefit from it. and they were both Hungarians and Poles, and hell knows who they were not. with the complete demoralization of people, the idea of ​​Western territories became the dominant idea. and everything that disagrees with this idea is suppressed. the most odious or who can influence the minds are eliminated. on this, someone is silent, and someone is trying to live on two chairs. Well, the full formatting of consciousness and memory is bearing fruit. hi
      2. BLOND
        BLOND 18 November 2017 09: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Sometimes I watch one of the most popular in Ukraine humorous programs "95 Quarter" with Zelensky. The halls are jam-packed. But Russophobia is not there (or I did not come across). But they spread their power in the tail and mane. It turns out that not everything is so gloomy. Another Ukraine still exists.

        Did not come across!
        Zelensky generally t var and not God's IMHO
      3. woron333444
        woron333444 20 November 2017 04: 56 New
        +1
        siberalt. Zelensky stably reports to the ATO. He is like a weather vane, where the political wind blows, there will unfold.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2017 06: 38 New
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    They can not be redone. They cannot be re-educated. They will not leave.

    I completely agree with the authors. The train has left and you should not hope that this train will return. Therefore, it is time to stop chewing snot and moan about the difficulties of the "brotherly people", who does not sleep at night, all think how to get back under the wing of Russia. On the other hand, apart from terry Russophobia, threats, and dirty tricks, nothing else has come for a long time.
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 November 2017 10: 18 New
      +6
      But what about the inhabitants of frankly Russian regions? let the tourniquet, as in Odessa?
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 16 November 2017 16: 34 New
        +5
        On the outskirts, a radical split in society simply manifested itself, using it the Anglo-Zionists and organized the coup. It just happened on the outskirts, but not in Russia yet. And the tension will not go anywhere. And the deepest roots are the same - blatant inequality, and everyone understands that it was not achieved by labor, but exclusively by theft and deception of the majority of the population. A handful of oligarchs illegally seized the resources of both countries and a meager percentage of the population has material wealth incomparably greater than the bulk. So the fundamental contradictions of the nascent classes are increasingly playing the role of a detonator, set on a timer.
      2. domokl
        domokl 17 November 2017 08: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: novel xnumx
        let the harness, as in Odessa?

        Do you think that the inhabitants of Odessa this "Khatyn" condemn? I thought so too ... It turned out that the nonsense that was said about the titushki fit there in the head. Those who are terrified of being burned down today in Odessa are in the minority ... Alas, but that is so ...
        1. michey
          michey 20 November 2017 16: 25 New
          0
          Yah? But I see exactly the opposite. on May 9 in Odessa how many people came out, did you see?
  3. vlad007
    vlad007 16 November 2017 06: 56 New
    +7
    You have to be pragmatists and then relations with any peoples will be simple and understandable.
  4. savage1976
    savage1976 16 November 2017 06: 58 New
    14
    I completely agree, he was originally from the Ukrainian SSR, but then it was a country, and in this hohlopstan I don’t want to know friends or relatives, let them have fun with themselves as they want. And I’ll teach children not to know this utopia and have no business.
    1. megavolt823
      megavolt823 17 November 2017 10: 57 New
      0
      Ukraine is a difficult articulated territory. Consisting of different cultures, having a different ethnicity. various . All this cheese is boron due to the heated attention and influences on this difference. Closing borders, ban on entry and exit. Accelerate public attenuation. But there will be strong resistance to this decision. The West and the USA really want our attention and concentration on this issue. No matter how we want to influence the processes, this will not be successful. Without complete capture of the territory, but only locally. This will be a repeat of Afghanistan. And this is the goal. hi
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus 16 November 2017 07: 08 New
    15
    Instead of dispelling myths, the authors create new myths. What kind of fraternal peoples are they talking about?
    The concept of fraternal peoples was created and successfully acted in the USSR. It is a derivative of communist ideology.
    Its essence is that the fraternal peoples united into one big family to build communism.
    It is clear that as soon as the "perestroika" began and the transition to capitalism, this idea itself simply disappeared, and the former "fraternal peoples" began to slaughter each other with enthusiasm. What are the authors writing about? What, in general, can be a "fraternity" under capitalism? What do we even ethnically Russian oligarch is a brother for the Russian homeless?
    This is some kind of elfism that can only be used to manipulate the consciousness of the masses. In real politics, no one thinks in such categories.
    Further, the authors devote a lot of time to the state of consciousness of Ukrainian citizens, this is interesting, but completely secondary. Ukraine after 2014 is simply a territory controlled by the United States. This is the main determining factor for their consciousness. As they are ordered to live, so they live, and accordingly they think so.
    The authors seriously suggest that Ukrainians are at least in some sense the subjects of their own destiny, up to the claims that they, de, may not pay debts to the West. For some reason, they don’t give examples of such “independence”.
    It turns out that Ukraine is such a hostile state in itself and we need to come to terms with it and learn how to live with it. This, let’s say, is a defeatist mood that doesn’t at all answer the main question - how to get the Americans out of Ukraine (or from part of Ukraine) and thereby make it at least a neutral state to us.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 November 2017 07: 44 New
      +7
      Strange ... But when I turn on some kind of political show on Russian television, I always hear words about the brotherly people ... From different lips, but I hear .. I have another television? And the president of Russia says the same thing. Do we have different presidents?
      But for some reason I don’t see Americans in Ukraine who need to be knocked out. Instructors what? Or Rada of US citizens is? And on the Maidan Americans kurolesili? Ukrainian nationalists come from Nevada? Who is necessary to beat?
      If what you are writing was true, then the United States would now stand on our borders and would not blow. And they would not care about all our outrage. From the Statue of Liberty ... How they do it in the Baltic States and Poland
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 16 November 2017 10: 15 New
        +2
        ... just further escalation is apparently already harmful to us personally within the country, plus the existence of family ties, plus an international image, plus economic interests and ties, yes, I think, there are still many secondary and subsequent chains and ties, both with that and with the other side. About Americans, you don’t need to see them, just understand their economic, military and geopolitical interests, how long have McCain, Biden or Nuland been in Astana, Buenos Aires or Melbourne? No offense to the Baltic states, but look at the map, it’s difficult and costly to control such a territory and its population, although much has already been done in this direction, war, Maidan, the sale of assets and this list can be continued ... after the collapse of the union, Russia, being plundered and plundered in an attempt to restore order within the country, it did not have the resources to protect its near approaches, but the soil was prepared by our partners for decades, even though I think you understand this as well as mine, and it’s possible.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 17 November 2017 09: 38 New
          +3
          Really, why "see" them. You can manage from afar. Thank God it’s not the time of Caesar when commands were given by voice.
      2. novel66
        novel66 16 November 2017 10: 19 New
        +5
        so different is this Ukraine! there are frankly Russian regions!
        1. 97110
          97110 17 November 2017 10: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          there are frankly Russian regions!

          There is. For example, Donetsk. Or not? At the mother-in-law's house in the city of Kirovskoye, among the miners, somehow not all were Russians. There were also those who had served time at the OUN UPA, and were sent to the mines of Donbass by call. They loved after the shift in the mine, rolling laid on the chest. hit in the memories. How to tear Russians with two birches, for example. And the rest of the “Russians” didn’t consider those torn Russians? I heard nothing that the former Banderaites in the Donbass had problems. I heard nothing about the protests of Donetsk, when Yusch appropriated the Hero of Ukraine to Bandera. Or remember about the proletarians in the Wehrmacht? Ah, Roman?
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 November 2017 10: 36 New
            +5
            Soviet people perceive all this is difficult.
            1. 97110
              97110 17 November 2017 10: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Soviet people perceive all this is difficult.

              This is yes ...
      3. Odysseus
        Odysseus 16 November 2017 12: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        Strange ... But when I turn on some kind of political show on Russian television, I always hear words about the brotherly people ... From different lips, but I hear .. I have another television? And the president of Russia says the same thing. Do we have different presidents?

        It is necessary to separate what is said on TV from reality. I wrote, “which can only be used to manipulate the consciousness of the masses.” The TV is also used to manipulate consciousness.
        Elfism consists in the fact that a person begins to sincerely believe in the existence of elves, that is, in our case, begins to confuse what they say on TV with reality.
        In reality, no “brotherhood of peoples” under capitalism can be a priori, and the one who starts talking about him is either a deceiver or a deceived one.
        Quote: domokl
        But for some reason I don’t see the Americans to be knocked out in Ukraine. Are there instructors? Or is it made up of US citizens?

        Do not understand. And why would they be there physically and all the more make up a rad? We are not in the 19th century with good old humane colonialism. In order to control any Colombia, they do not have to physically recruit the Colombian parliament from US citizens. To do this, it is enough to control a narrow layer of officials and large owners (under capitalism, they are closely connected )
        Quote: domokl
        If what you write was true, then the United States would now stand on our borders and not have a muzzle. And they would like to spit on all our indignations. From the Statue of Liberty ..

        So they do not blow a mustache and spit on our indignation. If you mean the US military and the NATO base, then "There will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle, give only a term."
        In general, far from every controlled country they send their soldiers, but they will definitely go to Ukraine. Poland was not admitted to NATO in the 89th, but in the 99th, and the Baltic States were not in the 91st, but in 2004. . Time must pass, it is necessary to establish itself in the country, reformat the consciousness of the masses, etc. What are they doing now.
        And of course they themselves will not fight in Ukraine. Why should they do this when there are free natives.
        Question-what to do with it?
        1. domokl
          domokl 17 November 2017 08: 50 New
          +5
          Quote: Odyssey
          I wrote, "which can only be used to manipulate the consciousness of the masses." The television is used for the manipulation of consciousness.

          That is, the statement of the President of Russia is nothing more than the manipulation of the consciousness of the people? MFA statements too? And what is not a manipulation? Talk in the kitchen?
          Quote: Odyssey
          Question-what to do with it?

          The answer is given in the article. To treat Ukraine as an ordinary state. No worse and no better than others. Pragmatism and own benefit. That's all
      4. michey
        michey 20 November 2017 16: 49 New
        0
        Well, only in the SBU building are the CIA employees on the whole floor. but then take)))
        Americans do not climb the borders with the Russian Federation. because they fear that in this case the Militia might suddenly launch an offensive with the support of the North Winds. And the Americans in Ukraine will not lose their soldiers. what for?
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 10: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      was created and successfully operated in the USSR

      Long before him!
      Quote: Odyssey
      This is a derivative of communist ideology.

      Pan Slavism has nothing to do with communism.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 16 November 2017 12: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        Long before him!

        In pre-capitalist RI (if you mean it) there was a concept single The Russian people, or rather the triune (Great Russians, Little Russians, Belarusians). The concept of fraternal peoples was not there.
        In the Soviet concept of fraternal peoples, all Soviet peoples are brothers, no matter whether it is Turkmens or Ukrainians. There is no racial or ethnic meaning (as in old Pan-Slavism).
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 14: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          The concept of fraternal peoples was not there.

          But what about the Bulgarian little brothers? What about the Serbs? And the other Slavic brothers?
          Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
          Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
          Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
          Will it run dry? here is the question.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 16 November 2017 10: 52 New
      +3
      Correctly written. Ukraine is an overseas territory, a bridgehead, for states, to damage the Russian Federation. The opinion of the natives, the bridgehead, the sheriff is not interested. The fate of the natives is to be used for the geopolitical purposes of the states.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 16 November 2017 12: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: nickname7
        The opinion of the natives, the bridgehead, the sheriff is not interested. The fate of the natives is to be used for the geopolitical purposes of the states.

        That's right. Therefore, if we assure ourselves that Ukraine is lost because they think as their master tells them, we will not go far.
        The main thing is that I did not like the idea in an implicit way that the idea was held that we all lost Ukraine because they are de-hostile to us, without relatively the United States.
        Instead of offering opportunities to correct the situation (military, ideological, etc.), the authors resign themselves to defeat in advance.
        1. petyaivolk
          petyaivolk 17 November 2017 10: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          The main thing is that I did not like the idea in an implicit way that the idea was held that we all lost Ukraine because they are de-hostile to us, without relatively the United States.
          Instead of offering opportunities to correct the situation (military, ideological, etc.), the authors resign themselves to defeat in advance.

          Vooot, too, hurt. VO turned yellow, it does not please at all.
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 16 November 2017 07: 38 New
    11
    Here, on the contrary, is the site most loyally tuned to non-brothers. As for Ukrainophobia, I recommend going to http://peremogi.livejournal.com/.
    Here there is a real napalm. The people crept up angry and uncompromising.
    In essence, the article: in the absence of funding for Russophobia, the number of real Russophobia will fall to a handful of the most frostbitten outcasts such as Korchinsky, Yarosh, Biletsky and others like them. All the rest, including young people, sharply and swiftly change hands in the air, while not forgetting to scold Russia that they had not come to release them for so long. The essence of Ukraine does not change.
    Therefore, I believe that this idea should be burned with a hot iron, there should not be any Ukrainians. Until the idea of ​​the unity of the three branches of the Slavs living in the territory of the former USSR is firmly entrenched in the heads of the Ruins, there will be no sense. And the same applies to Belarusians.
    Yes, the language as a means of communication among the villagers - please, until recently, half of the collective farms in our country spoke on surzhik, this did not bother anyone. Now, however, this is almost nonexistent, only old people can ever talk to him, the middle age and young people speak Russian only.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 November 2017 07: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: inkass_98
      in the absence of funding for Russophobia, the number of real Russophobes will fall to a handful of frost-bitten fringe

      You are mistaken. And like most of our citizens. Radicals are just a vivid manifestation, a product of long-term upbringing and the formation of Ukrainians. Here's how to do one article? ...
      For Russians, a lot of things are simply not advertised. We don’t know much or we know at the level of “dug up the Black Sea”. And there everything is much deeper. And worse.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 16 November 2017 08: 13 New
        +6
        Yes, I’m not mistaken. I have been well aware of everyday Russophobia since the Soviet era, which is why I wrote about the eradication of Ukraine as a fact. His wife's relatives have a second-hand VNA, her uncle is a military pensioner, a donkey in Vladimir-Volynsky, married a local raguliha, and he has acquired offspring. So they came with the whole herd to visit the Kuban. They showed themselves in all their zapadensky beauty.
        So that only the complete elimination of small-town self-consciousness, no "nation" ukroariy. Only this is a long process, much longer than the Ukrainization of Russians. Now the "village of the girl" is not so easily corroded.
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 November 2017 09: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          . I know about everyday Russophobia since Soviet times,

          I'm not talking about everyday Russophobia ... This is not a very important question. What relatives have shown you is nonsense ... The main thing is in education. Even so, in the upbringing in the course of education
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 16 November 2017 15: 17 New
            +1
            domokl
            The main thing is just in education. Even so, in education during education
            That's right, Alexander! I absolutely support you!
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 16 November 2017 11: 16 New
          +2
          The main initiator of nationalism is the government and officials, to justify their need, they come up with ancient roots, their own language. For example, the Belarusian people can do without the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but the ministers themselves do not want to lose power, status, ministerial salaries, and these descendants of the Gedeminovichs and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania came from here. According to social laws, once a bureaucratic system has been created, it seeks to expand and opposes its disbandment, this is the mistake of the Bolsheviks who created autonomous bureaucratic systems.
          Alas, according to the logic of social laws, the same Belarus will eventually turn into a Russophobic sanitary cordon, along with the Baltic limitrophes and Ukraine.
          1. nickfrost1
            nickfrost1 16 November 2017 11: 33 New
            0
            Belarusians will not turn into that. There is another mentality.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 November 2017 11: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: nickfrost1
              Belarusians will not turn into that. There is another mentality.

              Just a white house on the Belarusians did not allocate money.
              1. domokl
                domokl 17 November 2017 08: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                Just a white house on the Belarusians did not allocate money.

                Allocated. And the White House and Warsaw and Vilnius with Riga and Tallinn ... They even tried to raise the Maidan. Only Lukashenko is not Yanukovych. He knows his rights and duties and is not afraid to use them. Therefore, Belarusian oppositionists from Poland, the Baltic States or Ukraine are now whining.
                By the way, LDNR volunteers are judged there in the same way ... Two days ago, another one was conditionally given two years ...
        3. El_surikate
          El_surikate 17 November 2017 11: 33 New
          +3
          Calls to “eradicate Ukrainians” are a great way to get a loyal or even neutral Russian population in Ukraine. It is precisely on such appeals that the further development of Russophobian sentiments is based. The books on the Holodomor and the formation of the Ukrainian nation always say that the Russians or the Bolsheviks wanted to destroy Ukraine and therefore "the freedom-loving Ukrainian people rebelled against them." Tell me, what are the statements that Ukraine is underserved, Ukrainians are a non-people who do not have their own history and statehood, are genetically prone to submission and betrayal, etc. etc. which are so often heard are different from Nazism? Yes, nothing! Only a directional vector.
          I understand that they would offer to close the border, all pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine were given the opportunity to legalize themselves on the territory of the Russian Federation and find some kind of work, and then they themselves would reformat the concept of Ukrainians in Ukraine itself. As diasporas do now in Canada and the USA. It is somehow strange to fight chauvinism and Russophobia with the same cave chauvinism and Ukrainophobia. Russophobia is now a product and you need to depreciate it, and not vice versa to raise the price.
          Yes, and with the Russian liberals would be sorted out. They have spoiled everything attractive in Russian history and reality! Tell me what opinion create modern grew. films from youth? It seems to me to run away from this garbage dump as far as possible. First you need to create an attractive image of your country, and then you need to broadcast your ideas of universal brotherhood or pragmatism, or something else. Even there is no ideology, all the same consumerism, as elsewhere, only with ambitions for superpower.
        4. AID.S
          AID.S 17 November 2017 12: 08 New
          0
          Quote: inkass_98
          So only the complete elimination of small-town self-awareness,

          And to enter this into the mandatory paragraph of the plan to normalize Ukraine’s relations with Russia.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 November 2017 08: 37 New
      +2
      At the breakthrough, people have long turned into the same x_0_x_l_0_B with only a minus sign. With the same knowledge of materiel.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 November 2017 12: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      As for Ukrainophobia, I recommend going to http://peremogi.livejournal.com/.

      Almaty is already in Kiev laughing
    4. petyaivolk
      petyaivolk 17 November 2017 12: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      Here there is a real napalm. The people crept up angry and uncompromising.

      Scum of sour napalm in 2014, and in fact Belobesy "burn garbage" and stink throughout the district. I talked and realized that it was not on the way :)))

      untitled (hrono61) replied to your comment that you left on LiveJournal. The comment to which you received a response was:
      Lenin said this well, I doubt that researchers will be able to add something more voluminous: "The first and main lesson is that only the revolutionary struggle of the masses can achieve any serious improvements in the lives of workers and in government. No" sympathy "for workers with the educated people’s side, no heroic struggle of lone terrorists could undermine the tsarist autocracy and absolute power of the capitalists. Only the struggle of the workers themselves, only the joint struggle of millions could do it, and when such a struggle waned, the seizure of the workers had begun. "

      Why did the joint struggle of the workers weaken? Because the so-called “scoop” or Councils of People’s Deputies found their place in the Stalin’s constitution, which was successfully implemented by 70 meters, everyone became equal. And then “the seizure of what the workers conquered.”

      If you are very observant, then you can probably make out that in modern Russia there are no Soviets of People's Deputies and the State Planning Commission! )))

      Your "This is a consequence of the system created by the Bolsheviks.", Just an example of petty-bourgeois, philistine ideology and no more))

      The answer was:
      (hrono61) Lenin is an ordinary Russophobic TBAP. And here he has nothing to do. Like you too.
  7. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 16 November 2017 08: 13 New
    +5
    It should be clearly understood that the Ukraine, which we still remember, no longer exists and never will.

    If from the loyal Ukraine of the mid-90s the current one grew so quickly - disloyal, maybe you should not be so categorical? Probably the reverse process should also take time. If Russia needs it. The Americans needed him and they slowly broke ties for 20 years. And you’ve got everything done in good shape.

    You can "kiss the gums" with Central Asia, but it is sold even faster, but it is not she who is interested in Europeans - Europeans are only interested in Ukraine and ... Siberia. The remaining parts of Great Russia in the understanding of Western civilization are tripe.

    You in your statements are likened to I.V.Bunshe from the famous film: “Take it away! The state will not become poor! I thought that ...” So, I shout to you: “So you will not save up any volosts!”
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 16 November 2017 09: 15 New
      0
      You are right, the authors of such articles and those who share their views are similar to this Bunsche from the movie "Ivan Vasilievich Change Profession".
    2. domokl
      domokl 16 November 2017 09: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: IrbenWolf
      If from the loyal Ukraine of the middle of the 90s the present has so rapidly grown - disloyal, perhaps it is not worth being so categorical?

      She did not grow quickly, but grew quite a long time. We just prefer not to know about it. Meanwhile, a lot of materials in open sources.
      1. Romey
        Romey 16 November 2017 09: 46 New
        +8
        I understand what the authors are pushing for. The whole essence of this position is the ostrich’s position: we put our head in the sand and the problem resolves, they say, we fence ourselves off with a steel fence, an analogue of the Yatsenyuk wall behind which terrible bandera live, cut off numerous family ties, etc. Novorossia? What kind of New Russia is it? There are all Ukrainians, hatskrayniki. By the way, this concept fits well with the official Kremlin one: forget about everything else if the Kremlin will at least unofficially allow Crimea to be left behind. You have a short memory, citizens. Remember 2014, when the whole of New Russia was shocked by thousands of rallies (and spontaneous, and not by the order of the EdR) rallies with unambiguous slogans. When many parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Internal Affairs were ready to go over to our side ... And all this was betrayed for the sake of truly sacred accounts in offshore, and now with the help of a writing fraternity, for the fourth year now they have been looking for an excuse for a crime against the Russian people. Ugly.
        1. nickfrost1
          nickfrost1 16 November 2017 11: 41 New
          0
          New Russia is aka land. And she is sorry. But its population is non-Russian and they are spoiled by 26 years of life outside of Russia. This is a cryptobandera besides Donbass who is fighting with them. Donbassians there are our only ones and the rest are cunning hatskrayniki. They must be evicted from New Russia by their minds and resettled anew and only THEN our population will be there. But this is unreal.
          1. San Sanych
            San Sanych 16 November 2017 12: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: nickfrost1
            New Russia is aka land. And she is sorry. But its population is non-Russian and they are spoiled by 26 years of life outside of Russia. This is a cryptobandera besides Donbass who is fighting with them. Donbassians there are our only ones and the rest are cunning hatskrayniki. They must be evicted from New Russia by their minds and resettled anew and only THEN our population will be there. But this is unreal.

            No need to summarize, there are still many people loyal to Russia who consider themselves Russian, and the events of the spring of 2014 showed this clearly, and they also had to be supported as in Crimea. Then there would not be so many casualties among the civilian population.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 16 November 2017 15: 28 New
              0
              domokl Today, 09: 29 ↑ New
              Quote: IrbenWolf
              If from the loyal Ukraine of the middle of the 90s the present has so rapidly grown - disloyal, perhaps it is not worth being so categorical?

              She did not grow quickly, but grew quite a long time. We just prefer not to know about it. Meanwhile, a lot of materials in open sources.
              I also think that the problem cannot be discarded - it must first be carefully studied first! And do not delay with her study! And then it will only be possible to make "final" - and more reliable - conclusions.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 16 November 2017 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: romey
          I understand what the authors are pushing for. The whole essence of this position is the ostrich’s position: we put our head in the sand and the problem resolves, they say, we fence ourselves off with a steel fence, an analogue of the Yatsenyuk wall behind which terrible bandera live, cut off numerous family ties, etc. Novorossia? What kind of New Russia is it?

          Yes, that’s the logic. "Katz offers to surrender"
          Moreover, according to this logic, you can pass anything, for example, let’s hold a Maidan and establish Americans in Belarus, you can write articles about “initially evil” Belarusians who need not be won, reforged, but simply left to their own devices and try to sit out in their house.
        3. domokl
          domokl 16 November 2017 19: 31 New
          0
          Quote: romey
          The whole essence of this position is the position of the ostrich: put your head in the sand and the problem will resolve, they say we will fence off with a steel fence, analogous to the Yatsenyuk wall behind which terrible Bandera live, we cut off numerous family ties, and so on. New Russia?

          Boldly you ... Right. Let's move together with tanks and guns to help the brotherly people ... Shaking off! Protect! free up!
          And the knife in the back is not stuck to us? not? Brats? Oh well...
          1. Romey
            Romey 17 November 2017 10: 34 New
            +1
            They went to Syria ... Together with ships, planes, tanks, sappers, MTR, Wagner, God forbid 15 percent to help the fraternal Alawite people of Syria in Syria. And we are not afraid of any Port Arthur and Tsushim. Urryayaya! Protect! Free! A knife in the back we are not stuck? Not? Brothers? Oh well...
      2. San Sanych
        San Sanych 16 November 2017 09: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: IrbenWolf
        If from the loyal Ukraine of the middle of the 90s the present has so rapidly grown - disloyal, perhaps it is not worth being so categorical?

        She did not grow quickly, but grew quite a long time. We just prefer not to know about it. Meanwhile, a lot of materials in open sources.

        Do you propose to reconcile? But at the same time, can the Donbass be left to its own devices, given to these ukronazists, and wait until the NATO bases appear near Voronezh and near Rostov-on-Don?
        1. nickfrost1
          nickfrost1 16 November 2017 11: 42 New
          0
          Quote: San Sanych
          Quote: domokl
          Quote: IrbenWolf
          If from the loyal Ukraine of the middle of the 90s the present has so rapidly grown - disloyal, perhaps it is not worth being so categorical?

          She did not grow quickly, but grew quite a long time. We just prefer not to know about it. Meanwhile, a lot of materials in open sources.

          Do you propose to reconcile? But at the same time, can the Donbass be left to its own devices, given to these ukronazists, and wait until the NATO bases appear near Voronezh and near Rostov-on-Don?

          Donbass is fighting and he needs to help BUT do nothing for him. Only help and nothing more. So that no dependent moods arise. Although they have already arisen brought by refugees from the Donbass who already in Russia twist their noses.
        2. domokl
          domokl 16 November 2017 19: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: San Sanych
          Offer to accept?

          And you offer to re-educate? Can you be re-educated? Why do you think others can? Are they children? Do not accept, but recognize that Ukraine is a neighboring state. Today is hostile. Tomorrow everything can change. Not fraternal, but just nearby.
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  8. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 November 2017 08: 53 New
    +1
    Time or great shocks can only bring us together. Today, the gap between us is increasing every day. The psychology of capitalism with a wolfish grin does not help strengthen family ties.
  9. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 16 November 2017 08: 59 New
    +1
    They all went to .....
  10. Brigadier
    Brigadier 16 November 2017 09: 18 New
    12
    That Ukraine, which we knew during the Soviet era, has long mutated from a beautiful girl with a wreath of daisies on her head, to an evil monster - a werewolf with a bloodied face, attacking everyone who does not agree with him.
    You just need to forget that girl, she is no longer there, she died ... Only the evil monster remains. This is what we must proceed from today.
    And if you call “simple Ukrainian people” in TV and politics brothers, then you should not forget that these “brothers” either rode on the Maidan, or, at least for now, do nothing to fight this monster, but only wait when Russia will throw something to them for free in order to survive the next winter, and that’s all ...
    In this case, the Tambov wolf is a brother to such brothers. And there is no need to feel sorry for them, they themselves have chosen their fate, now let them now pay for their choice. This is their "democracy."
    And those who pity their "poor kids" can look on the networks about the drink with the wonderful Ukrainian name "Blood of Kremlin babies", at the training camps for these "kids" and the like. And when these kids grow up, they will be completely ready for another blood, southeastern, for example ... And then the one who pitied them today will howl tomorrow, reproaching himself for today's stupidity!
    If you are not a suicide, you should understand one simple thought - you can’t take care of those children who grow up tomorrow and go to kill yours!
    Today we just need to understand that Ukraine is not at all a friend of Russia, which they speak directly and openly about, and therefore we need to deal with it precisely as a malicious and unpredictable foe, without any pink snot on the topic of friendship ...
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 10: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Brigadier
      That Ukraine, which we knew during the Soviet era, has long mutated from a beautiful girl with a wreath of daisies on her head, to an evil monster - a werewolf with a bloodied face, attacking everyone who does not agree with him.
      You just need to forget that girl, she is no longer there, she died ... Only the evil monster remains. This is what we must proceed from today.

      It was the same in Ukraine and in 1918-1921 ... Nothing, managed ...
      Quote: Brigadier
      to the training camps for these "kids" and the like. And when these kids grow up, they will be completely ready for other blood

      But did it prevent or hinder us from organizing and sponsoring such camps, only with the opposite sign? A rolling stone gathers no moss...
  11. BAI
    BAI 16 November 2017 09: 30 New
    +1
    Percentages of 35-40 young people are clearly tuned to emigration.

    Wanting to leave and really grin are 2 different things.
  12. Nonna
    Nonna 16 November 2017 09: 40 New
    +7
    The article is very important and useful, because tired of moaning on TV propagandists about the fraternal people. Like Putin’s constant assurances of love for Ukrainians. Ukraine is a hateful nationalistic aggressive sectarianism, artificially bred broiler from the worst representatives of the human race. I am against migrant workers from Ukraine, they are dumping in the labor market, as are Central Asians. They occupy the place of Russians. Everything connected with migrant workers is a shadow corruption business that helps to keep ordinary people in check and our government is vitally interested in this - that's why there are constant mantras about fraternal people.
  13. nickfrost1
    nickfrost1 16 November 2017 11: 26 New
    +6
    All right. But we still have "unity" who want to "love" those who hate them. But ukrov Moskal divorce into the fraternity is already a profession.
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 November 2017 11: 30 New
    +3
    Remember the episode from the movie "Brother": "You are not my brother, black ........!"
  15. silver169
    silver169 16 November 2017 11: 38 New
    +3
    Finally, the Russian .... began to see the light, to understand that the Ukrainian "brothers" at every opportunity and without any regret, without flinching, would cut half of Russia. Previously, of course, it was necessary to think about it, but as they say "better late than never."
  16. HAM
    HAM 16 November 2017 11: 57 New
    +2
    There is an evil "black" Russian humor, but it is very accurate:
    "at first there was- RESERVATION, now there is- RESERVATION, then there will be- INTERLOCK."
    So far, everything is going according to the “plan.” THIS IS ALL SAD!
  17. iouris
    iouris 16 November 2017 12: 25 New
    +2
    But what about the role of "national elites" who divided the economy and territory of the USSR, seized or outlived assets and distributed liabilities? In order to do so, they arranged civil war wars for quilted jackets in order to remain in the "elites", i.e. in the future, destroy liabilities and sell assets.
  18. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 16 November 2017 12: 56 New
    +2
    Replace in the article "Ukraine" to "Russia" - all the same. With the exception of the Maidan, which we already had. In the 91st.
  19. Seamaster
    Seamaster 16 November 2017 13: 16 New
    +4
    Do not worry about the elites. At all times, the elites were friends or quarreling, changing the vector of these relations in a couple of minutes.
    Even during the war, the monarchs \ oligarchs \ leaders could informally maintain relations with each other.
    But the "reformatting" of the thinking of the whole people is scary.
    Change or not change the elite of Poland, but the Poles will NOT LOVE (to put it mildly) Russians anyway.
    The same thing is happening with Ukrainian society.
    That's it - the train has left.
    Over the next few years, these 30–40% of now young “students” will determine the mood in Ukrainian society.
    And do not cram into them as brothers.
    Let them hate us better than despise our obsessive desire to climb into the zhoo of this "brotherhood" without soap.
    Is it really our sad experience of our fraternization with Africans, Asians, Czechs, Bulgarians, etc. taught us nothing?
    Our "brotherly" sussing and slobbery kisses were tolerated only as long as we kept them.
    And the loot came to an end - they spit on us.
    And again, and more .........
    No brotherly love, no hatred.
    Just somewhere there is the country of Sierra Leone.
    Somewhere Paraguay and New Caledonia.
    Somewhere Ukraine and Bangladesh.
    Somewhere Norway.
    Everyone has the same attitude.
    Mutually polite, mutually beneficial.
    You do not want? Fu..k off!
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 November 2017 14: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Seamaster
      But the "reformatting" of the thinking of the whole people is scary.

      Power is needed to ensure that only the correct telebaculation works. In a few weeks, the "people" will "think" alternatively.
  20. tezey
    tezey 16 November 2017 13: 55 New
    +3
    I would not talk about the people of Ukraine. Wrong term. The people are all the same no community of people living in this country and having a common language, history, culture, traditions, economic structure. Can these concepts be applied as a whole to the inhabitants of the modern state of Ukraine. No, it doesn’t work. Therefore, one should speak not about the people of Ukraine, but about the citizens of this state. And the citizens of Ukraine of different nationalities are Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Tatars, Armenians
    Yane, gypsies, Bulgarians and others. Then it is logical to ask which of them are fraternal, and which are not fraternal and what, in principle, are fraternal people. If we consider ethnic origin, then there will be complete confusion and this criterion does not fit. It means that we can call brotherly such a people which not only have a common origin, history with our peoples, but who see their present and future in inextricable connection with our people. Today in Ukraine, of course, there are a sufficient number of people who would like such a connection to be. But they have no way to somehow influence the policies of the current bourgeois, comprador, nationalist authorities. Therefore, the brotherly people of Ukraine can not be called in principle. Since there is no Ukrainian people, there are people living in Ukraine, and secondly, these peoples 26 years ago chose the path of breaking ties in all areas with our peoples. Therefore, I agree with the author, myth-making about fraternal peoples must be stopped and treated according to their interests.
  21. revnagan
    revnagan 16 November 2017 14: 02 New
    0
    Everything is clear. I recently read the fantastic book "Abrams in Khimki", but there was described a very real move. To make it easier to mentally kill the enemy, demonize him. In the book, they demonized the Russians. In the media, they demonize Ukrainians. That is, the Russian media likened themselves and went down to the level of Bandera’s. And we lazy people, traitors, and beggar thieves, always lived at the expense of Russia, and we just pretended to be brothers ... We didn’t do anything for centuries, they ate fat and drank vodka, and Russia did everything for us. worked, built, taught, healed while we lay belly up and betrayed. Ungrateful. Killing is cheaper than re-educating. Moreover, it’s advisable to do it all. Brothers, as far back as 2014 I warned someone wanted blood to spill between nations. hate. I was right. Bandera people were always ready to kill the Russians. Now the Russians are ready to destroy without exception the "traitors-non-brothers." Sadly.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 November 2017 14: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: revnagan
      Brothers, I still warned in 2014, someone wants blood to be shed between peoples. Mutual hatred is being achieved. I turned out to be right. Bandera people were always ready to kill Russians. Now the Russians are ready to destroy without exception "traitors-non-brothers."

      Show me in the article a call to destroy the Ukrainians.
      The authors only suggest treating Ukraine as an ordinary foreign state, such as Poland or Hungary. No fraternal clowning, no fraternal discounts, no halfwriting, no fraternal people — everything, purely pragmatic relations.
      Ukraine is always rumored that it is an independent power, and the attitude towards it should be appropriate. And it is precisely to this that the authors urge - to fulfill this wish of Ukraine. smile
      Oh yes, and that too.

      Did you ask? Please get it.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 November 2017 15: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Did you ask? Please get it.

        Especially gifted, still trying to realize this reality, there is also a gradual insight. But since it is dangerous to openly express indignation - former racing colleagues will not understand - they are banally sailing abroad. Under the guise of a type of trip. But actually - during the season the Poles pick strawberries, in autumn and winter - wash the outhouses for the stew .... laughing
        Here the poet Pavlensky in France tried to arrange a performance similar to what he did in Russia. Right now, he sends a verse from the pre-trial detention center to his homeland: take it, they say, here are the rights of prisoners, so zealously declared in the West, and it does not smell ....
        wassat
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 17 November 2017 10: 06 New
        +1
        Bring. her later poems, with the thought - they were deceived!
  22. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 November 2017 14: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: revnagan
    Everything is clear. I recently read the fantastic book "Abrams in Khimki", but there was described a very real move. To make it easier to mentally kill the enemy, demonize him. In the book, they demonized the Russians. In the media, they demonize Ukrainians. That is, the Russian media likened themselves and went down to the level of Bandera’s. And we lazy people, traitors, and beggar thieves, always lived at the expense of Russia, and we just pretended to be brothers ... We didn’t do anything for centuries, they ate fat and drank vodka, and Russia did everything for us. worked, built, taught, healed while we lay belly up and betrayed. Ungrateful. Killing is cheaper than re-educating. Moreover, it’s advisable to do it all. Brothers, as far back as 2014 I warned someone wanted blood to spill between nations. hate. I was right. Bandera people were always ready to kill the Russians. Now the Russians are ready to destroy without exception the "traitors-non-brothers." Sadly.

    It is very strange to read you.
    On the one hand, Bandera.
    On the other, you have the Russians.
    Moreover, something in the writing differs from the writing in your post.
    You have Bandera with a capital letter and the Russians with a small one.
    And how many Russians did you interview?
    And how many declared their readiness to destroy without exception?
    Oh, call brother, but it smells of Bandera.
    And yes.
    My grandfather destroyed Bandera after the destruction of the Nazis.
    Then he destroyed a criminal reptile in Moscow.
    Shit needs to be cleaned out.
    Otherwise, there is no place left for life.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 16 November 2017 18: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      You have Bandera with a capital letter and the Russians with a small one.

      And what letter should the new sentence begin with? I was taught in the Soviet school, and taught that with a big one. And why the word “Russians” in the middle of the sentence should be capitalized, I don’t understand. Maybe in the Russian language there are new rules, but I didn’t know here in Ukraine? But you see, the word "Ukrainians" is also written with a little? It's not clear ... In addition, they manage to write the name of the country Ukraine with a small letter and nothing.
      Quote: Livonetc
      And how many Russians did you interview?

      And what should I interview Russians about, here are your posts, here are your articles, here are your words and wishes for “non-brothers.” You don’t have to go far. And how many Ukrainians are left on the site? And the epithets “stolen, outskirts, ruin” are so trifles ?
      Quote: Livonetc
      And how many declared their readiness to destroy without exception?

      Well, again, judging by the article and the posts above, not a little.
      Quote: Livonetc
      Oh, call brother, but it smells of Bandera.

      Well, again. Someone who disagrees with the majority opinion about Ukraine, that smells of Bandera. We talked ...
      Quote: Livonetc
      My grandfather destroyed Bandera after the destruction of the Nazis.

      And after the destruction of the Nazis, mine was rebuilding the defense plants in Ukraine. Although he himself came from the Bryansk region. Bandera’s will have to be destroyed, for sure. But to see Badera’s in every Ukrainian, identifying them with the whole Ukraine is either stupidity or a serious request for ... what? After all, not even every Galician-Bandera. For how many years they lived shoulder to shoulder, worked, brought up seven, raised children. "And what, all this time Semyon Semyonovich drank and rowdied?" (from the movie "Brilliant Hand") .And here it started. "Yes, they are all ...! Yes, they are always ....!" And most happily nod: "Yes, yes, we have long suspected, aha-aha! They are such a receptacle of all vices! Now that's for sure! "Can't you see this?
  23. Tomak
    Tomak 16 November 2017 15: 42 New
    0
    Avtor stati ili provokator, ili absolutniy diletant, chto skoree vsego.
    Ne znaet nichego, krome cpleten i sluhov, o fakticheskom pologenii del i nastroeniy na Ukraine.
  24. petyaivolk
    petyaivolk 17 November 2017 09: 46 New
    +1
    However, over time, simple questions began to arise. In the four post-Maidan years, show us at least one proof of our "brotherhood." One! We can give hundreds of examples of the fact that we, the Russians, are urged to remember the fraternal people.

    Two jesters of peas, one Alexander and the other Roman. Why does VO miss such nonsense?
  25. voron770247
    voron770247 17 November 2017 09: 49 New
    0
    “We have been talking and writing for a long time that Ukraine is being used. Russia, the USA, Western Europe, China ... It all depends on the political orientation of the person who is speaking. But is that so? Or maybe it is exactly the opposite? Maybe Ukraine is using the world around you? Why are relations with neighbors aggravating? Just because it's time to pay the bills. And Ukrainians don’t like to pay. Oh, write off the debt! You wrote off to Cuba! "And again about the" brotherhood "..."

    Well, if someone believes that toilet paper uses ass, then this is only an understanding of the world order ...
  26. Uralean
    Uralean 17 November 2017 10: 18 New
    0
    The article claims to STUDY a slice of modern society in Ukraine in its various sections and the desire to draw its conclusions, but in reality, VERY superficially and not deeply examined all the causes and consequences of the current state of affairs in Ukraine. The analyst is lame .. Often, the authors themselves use different myths and views and the conclusions of various printed sources printed in various publications and Internet posts, without delving into the true analytics - the emergence, growth, REASONS, responsible, all acts in modern Ukraine .. And the special role in this is not only Ukrainian national patriots, BUT and action, or inaction of the leaders of the Russian Federation from Yeltsin to Putin Admitted to the creation, growth of tension, and the transformation of the two halves, one people, into hostilities. (by indulging in many attempts by various Ukrainian authorities, not giving estimates of their actions, turning a blind eye to the aggressive nature against our country, not strictly regulating the supply of material resources to Ukraine, cash, using the business of the Ukrainian allegory, seizing their assets, and even for various reasons, as they do in Western countries against objectionable persons, or even state enterprises and assets, for example, the relations of 1993, 1998, 2000, 2008, and even 2012 were completely different with respect to the relations of 2017. Moreover, the dynamics are visible. the growth of the gap in our relations is fueled not only by the government and the Alegarchate of Ukraine, but also by the actions (inaction) of the Government of Russia and the Allegarchy of Russia, which we must admit honestly, and not to breed a bodyagion here, clouding the consequences, not the essence ..)))))
  27. Alexsin
    Alexsin 17 November 2017 10: 24 New
    +2
    It is not Ukraine that needs to be rescued. Devour each other, and to hell with them. It is necessary to save the LPR with the DPR, whose people understand that they cannot live in the same country with these "brothers", and we are trying to convince them of the opposite and try on the Minsk agreements. Maybe for already more than three years they tortured those who wholeheartedly strive to get away from this madhouse and become one with Russia? It is time to recognize the LPR and the DPR, followed by reunification with Russia. Afraid of sanctions? Yes, sanctions will not be lifted even without the reunification of Donbass with Russia. Or are we going to abandon Crimea so that these sanctions are lifted? No, of course. So what keeps Donbass from recognizing then? No support for the people of Russia? She is. And the upcoming presidential election will confirm this support.
    1. Uralean
      Uralean 17 November 2017 10: 35 New
      +2
      Quite correct statements .. And Russia has long been late with this. Two years ago, it was necessary to carry out these actions. The recognition by Russia of two republics, with all the circumstances that wandered from here .. Then THOUSANDS of people's lives would be saved, the economy of both the republics and Ukraine would be preserved, which would also collapse due to the civil war .. if water would cool the warlike heads of Ukraine, and a real constructive dialogue would begin on all sides .. They’re not afraid of sanctions (which we were threatened with all kinds of liberals and horns of the Russian Allegarchy from TVs), I couldn’t do more than the west did. But at least for the cause, and now sanctions are imposed without doing anything, so to speak for prevention .... Russia must be more decisive in the world arena. Decisively, bolder and bold .. And this has always led Russia to success over the centuries. Experience in Syria has shown, and now this centuries-old wisdom of the Russian people is working.
  28. a housewife
    a housewife 17 November 2017 10: 26 New
    +2
    I’m a little about my own, about the female. If anyone is interested, of course. I attend two sites - VO (because it’s interesting) and one site for needlewomen (because it’s a hobby — dolls, embroideries, etc.) So. There are women from all over the world, but a very large percentage from Ukraine (with a small letter in disrespect for the country and its name, and not by negligence). There is no policy. Relations are normal. Once, however, some madame tried to throw an appeal - let's impose together mittens, our valiant defenders of atoms! They answered her. She never appeared again! Recently, from one woman, a photo story was about a puppet show in Kiev. What surprised - the name of the store is Ukrainian, all signatures, plates, explanations at the exhibition are in Russian! Another granny posted pictures - "My grandson and I came to visit Kiev." Struck by the poverty of the streets of Kiev. All shabby some. The playground is wretched. They did not go to the center. She was asked, "how is it at all?" her answer was - "Quietly waiting, it should all end sometime." Ordinary people are clearly afraid. These are the ones who grew up in the Union. Why should I consider them enemies? And the worst thing is not even this aggressive youth. Although who counted them - Russophobia and normal? The worst thing is what will happen to those who are just born, who are now a year, two, six? They are the main victims. Who will grow them? And even if everything changes dramatically there in a year or two, their parents cannot be re-educated, and they will continue to grow our enemies at home. This is something terrible - when a child is forced to shout about the camera at the camera.
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  29. uskrabut
    uskrabut 17 November 2017 10: 37 New
    0
    “On the one hand, ready-made professionals, who practically do not need training, and on the other hand, do not require high salaries and, therefore, provide low production costs.”
    Where does such knowledge come from? These zarobitchane greatly surprised by our low salaries and do not want to work for that kind of money. Maybe the author meant Moscow? But this is not Russia, Moscow has long been isolated from the country, there is a different level of salaries and this is brutally unfair. It should not be that for the same work in different parts of the country they pay different salaries, I can only allow the northern regions and the Far East, but there the salaries are much lower than in Moscow. The country should have a single economic space, and, therefore, a single level of salaries and the fight against labor migrants - the main enemies of Russian workers. And then it turns out an anecdotal situation when a civil servant receives a wage depending on the population in the city where he works, and he does not work in the demographic department. And the question arises: "maybe he is not doing that? Can he need to deal with demography instead of state finances or state administration?"
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 17 November 2017 21: 17 New
      0
      Uskrabut If you are not in the know. then pensioners in Moscow receive a higher pension. than all over Russia. I met once with a classmate. I thought that we get about the same pension. but no! He’s in Moscow 1.5 times higher than mine in the Rostov Region This is such a state policy. to feed the inhabitants of the capital. not to go to the demonstrations. and from the outskirts of the motherland no one will go there to demonstrate .. who will contain you there?
  30. nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 November 2017 10: 48 New
    +3
    Those people who have lived in the USSR for a long time have developed immunity to enemy lies, although they call us "zombie
    herd. "Even while listening to western radio stations, we clearly separated the truth from the lies. At first, one honey came from the mouth, which
    exists in the West, and talking about our country, they poured one dirt, and of course, an intelligent man did not believe these "voices"
    After all, it cannot in a country, even a very developed one, so that people all live and bathe in happiness. Today's spiteful critics say they say you were fooled at the advice. They fool people in Ukraine, and from a young age from kindergarten age. They suggest that the main enemy of all Ukrainians is Russia. But it is surprising that in our country they are pecking at this deliciously smelling bait.
    Russophobia is one gyrus on everyone who hates Russia. So which of us is a zombie?
  31. nvaua00
    nvaua00 17 November 2017 10: 52 New
    0
    If you swap the words Ukraine and Russia, the meaning of the article does not change
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2017 05: 12 New
      +1
      Yah? Do you see a lot of people on the streets of Russia who consider Ukraine and Ukrainians to blame for the problems of Russia? Or maybe it's the Russians who are calling for the collapse of Ukraine and the hanging of Ukrainians? Russians are tired of Ukrainian mess. From the fact that we are to blame. In everything that happens in Ukraine.
      How do you like the last holiday law on a Catholic Christmas? Speeches of deputies during the discussion? Are we so insidious that in ancient times we left the Orthodox Christmas of January 7 to tear Ukraine away from Europe? Oh well...
  32. Indifferent
    Indifferent 17 November 2017 11: 02 New
    +1
    I did not like the article! Some kind of provocative! The authors do not take into account very many subtleties of being in Ukraine. I am sure that if you gather Staver together with Skomorokhov and send him to Khreshchatyk on the same day in Kiev when the Banderaites rage there, then they will very “willingly” begin to “rage” with them. And not because they will become the same, but just want to live. The joy of being clogged with sticks they obviously will not arise. It's just scary. And the people there are really packed and scared. Anatoly Shary very often conducts polls on the streets of Ukrainian cities. You can see how people get scared of questions. Some immediately leave and do not answer. Some respond as required by the “policy” of their leadership. Frankly very rarely anyone speaks. There are very few brave people. If the power suddenly changes to pro-Russian, there our tanks with flowers will meet, and people will cry. Of course not all, part will run away over the hill. But many. My son is friends with a Ukrainian woman of the very age that has grown in our time. I also communicate with her. Understands everything and very competently arranges on the shelves. More odds will give our morons. There are normal people and a lot of smart people. That's just they are afraid to be in the basements of the SBU. Before writing this article, it would not hurt the authors to remember this.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2017 05: 06 New
      +1
      Are you talking about Skomorokhova, who has repeatedly been in the Donbas during the period of aggravation of the situation? Forgot about how we got help here collected "Ghost"? And who drove this help to the brain? You or him?
  33. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 17 November 2017 12: 16 New
    +3
    Very relevant and correct article. They are not brothers to us, and what is very important to understand is that they were never brothers. You often hear the arguments of Ukrainians on political programs that hatred arose after the Crimea and Donbass. But this is not true! I still can’t forget the hated cries against Russia back on the Maidan, when they tried to almost destroy the police who were trying to protect order, considering it, oddly enough, “pro-Russian”. But that's not the point. When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine received the richest inheritance, and everyone expected that they would flourish (no one could have imagined that they would be such thieves). And for some reason, right after the collapse of the Union, many members of radical organizations (for example, Una-Unso) went to fight in the North Caucasus against Russian soldiers in Chechnya. Moreover, they killed our guys with particular cruelty (and for this we still did not avenge them). But why did this happen? After all, then it was impossible to even imagine today's events !! But there was already hatred !! So all this was formed in the seemingly prosperous years of the USSR of the 60-80s when everything was calm. And we lived and did not know anything about it! Where did the KGB look in those years? After all, even then they had to destroy everyone under the root. I can’t forget one tourist trip around the Caucasus. There were still two years before the collapse of the Union. In this tour group there were many Kievans. Being then quite young, and naturally a man who had not been not only in Ukraine but also in other republics, he could not understand their hatred of Russia. Their words, full of malice towards Russia, were remembered for many years. But these were educated people. Now they say very little about what Ukrainians did during the years of World War II. It’s just now that they started talking that Khatyn in Belarus was burned by them, and not by the Germans. But they say much less that it was the people of Kiev who betrayed the Jews in Kiev, and they did it with special almost sadistic pleasure. And this was not only in Kiev, by the way. Very little or even almost nothing is written about how the Ukrainians acted in relation to Russians and Jews in the distant years of the civil war. Petliurists, Makhnovists and others organized a terrible massacre. And the brutally murdered "white" officers and their families, we, too, can now be considered our people. By chance, I managed to get a book by a modern Ukrainian historian, who writes with pleasure as Ukrainians, and Ukrainian Cossacks especially, with pleasure robbed Russia and Moscow in the era of troubled times. So it means then! They are not brothers to us. We must be extremely tough and pragmatic. And calmly look at their chaos and collapse. You can never help them again. Only to help those who consider themselves Russian to move to Russia (removing bureaucratic obstacles), and also to help highly qualified specialists to move. And we temporarily need to closely monitor workers who work with us, they hide their hatred. Perhaps capable of terrorist attacks. In general, it's time to forever throw away the word "Brothers" in relation to other countries. There is Russia and its interests in this world is the Russian world (these are those who consider themselves to be Russian civilization). The rest does not matter. Russia must now become different: tough, firm, unbending, strong and extremely pragmatic; and forgive nothing to your enemies. Everyone should pay their fee for the hatred of Russia. By the way, the Balts with the Poles too! Russian transit cargo still arriving in Baltic ports? If so, why? After all, hatred of Russia and their business too!
  34. roofing hedgehog
    roofing hedgehog 17 November 2017 12: 47 New
    0
    it must be borne in mind that all this shkolota in the 13-14th year, that rushed and the bogeyman on her maidan has grown up now, and another year or two anti-Russian treatment will take place, we will get a generation of Nazis with all the consequences, up to seizing the control levers of this half-witted country. .so she died so she died. the truth is all the adequate ones have already run away and there are either nonsense or consonants.
  35. Galina Artamonova
    Galina Artamonova 17 November 2017 22: 54 New
    +3
    You should never judge everyone with the same indiscriminately. People are all different even in one of the selected groups. They are not our enemies — they are unhappy experimental rabbits — write for yourself. But if there is an impact, there must be opposition.
  36. Torins
    Torins 19 November 2017 11: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Greek Catholic "priests" support the war. Aren't they in the Nazi formations?

    What an epic delirium wassat
  37. VladGashek
    VladGashek 19 November 2017 14: 07 New
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    Regarding the thesis of youth. Nationalist landmarks are not news. Back in 1973, at the training center for two-year-old officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV near Leningrad, I encountered Ukrainian graduate students from Kiev, Chernigov, and Nikolaev. They achieved unification in one training platoon, and then to serve in Ukraine. I happened to be among Belarusians, Lithuanians, Bashkirs, Azerbaijanis and several Russians from the Volga region. I received support only from Belarusians and Ufa guys. And I had a chance to serve in places where E. Pugachev (Pelym) was in hard labor. My appreciation to the authors - there is no need for illusions about central Ukraine, the Russians and Russia have never been held in high esteem there. Nationalism is their point of view on life.
  38. All the details
    All the details 20 November 2017 00: 27 New
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    The first one. About nationalism and relations between brothers. Ukrainians have never been brothers to us. We are always confusing the two Ukraine. One that the Emperors and Empresses did exactly as part of the Russian Empire. And another - for many centuries included in the Commonwealth, Austria-Hungary and the Polish-Lithuanian Grand Duchy. I personally served both with those and others in the SA. So they understood little of each other in general in terms of language and mentality, too. Here is a "thank you" must be said to Soviet propaganda and Soviet historians. Well, to the chief fabulist Karamzin. After May 1945, it was in Ukraine that the Russians were still killed for a long time. IN THIS Ukraine. Thus, the Donbass and Crimea just answer the question, is there Ukraine in the Soviet borders as a republic (now an independent state). Or are these tribes of Africa? Yes, all are black, but different? The second one. Ukrainians as workers. Do they get to work? Yes. But they always love to cut money not deservedly. The quality of work is better than Tajiks, but with the Uzbeks on a par. The latter NEVER put pressure on pity, do not beg. Ukrainians are dangerous workers. The third. The Russians FORCED the industrialization of Ukraine. Both under emperors and under communists. Khokhlam does not need plants, dams and shipyards. They need a GLOB, a ZhIN and a BURNER. That is why, they had a legend in Soviet times - we feed the whole Union. In fact, the Soviet Union rested ONLY on the Russians. And the Baltic states and Ukrainians fed Russia. And the Baltic states and Khokhlov were given SUCH preferences, which were not dreamed of in any region of the RSFSR. Now they all howl about paying off the debt (to them) by Russia for the occupation. Far-fetched villains howl! Fine? Fourth. We have two capitals in Russia. Right But the second is not Peter. The second is Kazan. That's where the ambush is. Yeltsin said - take as much sovereignty as you want ... Ukraine began to search, but where is the story? And cooked up. From Yeltsin, both in our country and in Ukraine, the oligarchs are NOT something from the titular nation, in the majority. And with Yeltsin, we have a failure with Tatarstan ... So what kind of control policy in Ukraine can we talk about if we have confusion and reeling in the heart of Russia? So there was no control over what was happening in Ukraine. This is OUR everything - Russian AVOS. Yes, there it was. Against Ivanushka, the fool, the Saxons suddenly started a game of destruction. If you estimate, then those who are laughing are right to propose building a wall along the Khokhlyat border. So what? Why, "tribe, my friend, is amazed." Like a railway bypassing like gas pipelines. And the sooner the wall is, the better. And further. No offense to the Chechens - I respect the people. But in the Caucasian War, the Cossack, who saw the "Highlander" crossing the river at night or crossing the land border, immediately shot. Because he knew - the enemies of THERE. And without ceremony, it’s necessary. Here we are led to such a line: the border with Ukraine / Orenburg steppes for the 5th column. And Siberia. Our special services already have a big list of Natsiks ... And the army and navy, I am sure, are ready to draw the line Odessa - Vinnitsa - Brest. Teams are waiting ...
  39. Michael easily
    Michael easily 20 November 2017 00: 31 New
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    I live in Kiev. IN FOR ME NATIVE.
  40. akm8226
    akm8226 20 November 2017 04: 51 New
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    The article is ABSOLUTELY correct. There were a lot of different recipes about the "non-brothers." But I will say one simple truth - if you want to achieve a result, you always need to raise the question with an edge. And our politicians continue to pull the cat by the tail, hoping that it will resolve itself. Learn, finally - that country is no longer there. There is an ENEMY. And we need to behave accordingly. Again, with half measures you will not achieve anything - it is pointless to persuade. Total:
    - gap in diplomatic relations with the recall of ambassadors
    - refusal of all cooperation both in the sphere of economy and cultural
    - Immediate expulsion of all migrant workers (ask yourself the question - why none of them still took Russian citizenship and continues to feed the junta, and you will understand that these are not those people)
    - immediately resolve the issue with the Donbass by military means - ask yourself would the Americans begin to clatter if they were in our place?
    Well and further on trifles. I can say right away that the situation will change radically. So far, there are no shifts for the better. Everyone is waiting for it to resolve itself. Will not resolve!
    1. michey
      michey 20 November 2017 16: 58 New
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      1. Imagine someone in Ukraine, parents live. They go there after your whitish decision how to ride?
      2. Yes, yes - the Americans - on the contrary, even with obvious enemies they do not develop cultural ties. why? Yes, because this is the first way to reformat consciousness. but someone suggests breaking everything)))
      3. And who told you that a) no one took it; b) is it so simple to take it for everyone, c) can everyone do it for one reason or another?
      I can only agree that nothing will resolve itself.
      1. akm8226
        akm8226 22 November 2017 21: 30 New
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        And you go to Hitler. To relatives. The same thing happens.
  41. valerei
    valerei 20 November 2017 12: 46 New
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    Quote: AllXVahhaB
    Quote: Odyssey
    The concept of fraternal peoples was not there.

    But what about the Bulgarian little brothers? What about the Serbs? And the other Slavic brothers?
    Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
    Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
    Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
    Will it run dry? here is the question.

    Unfortunately, Alexander Sergeevich is not read not only in Ukraine, but also here.
  42. nivander
    nivander 20 November 2017 13: 29 New
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    hope don't die
  43. michey
    michey 20 November 2017 16: 17 New
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    1. I don’t know with whom the author talked, and whether he talked, but if you look at any large public in the cities of Yu-V, where the admins do not have a clear moderation, you will easily see that it supports 5-8% of the people who’ve been Maidan. Pro-Russian configured% 20. The rest-do not support the Maidan and in normal operation would become pro-Russian.
    Just look, for example, Kharkov public. Or just analyze the number of those who participate in fecal processions. No more than 200-300 people per city. And then compare with the number of citizens coming out on May 9. In fact, by the way, the real marker is May 9th.
    2. The blame is that, with a clear numerical superiority, the pro-Russian and moderate part of the Ukrainian society is silent in that force and in Russia, which through her fingers looked at how the United States, relying on Natsiks, is preparing the ground for a coup in Ukraine, as it changes the consciousness of society. how to raise hundreds of fighting Natsik. Why didn’t the Russian Federation create the same semi-bovine organizations, why didn’t the Russian Federation organize its supporters, why didn’t the Russian Federation create any real pro-Russian party that would bring its hundreds to the streets at hour X? In fact, now the majority has neither leaders nor political power - and against them, the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the organized Natsiks.
    3. On S-V and ZU - again juggling. It is enough to talk with people in the south-east and at the memory. In the southeast, in any major city, a significant% of the population supports LDNR, albeit passively. At the memory, even adequate people opposed to the war do not support LDNR in principle.
    So the article is another sketch on the topic "lazy Ukrainians betrayed the brothers." That's all.
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 November 2017 06: 50 New
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      lol Again, the Americans are to blame for the fact that Ukrainians are killing theirs, and the Russians are to blame for the fact that Ukrainians are killing theirs.
      And the Ukrainians are to blame? Not? In 1989, did UNA-UNSO supporters march around Kiev? Marched. More in the USSR! When did you start rewriting the story? After the Maidan? No, the anti-Moskal books were already published in 1990. Glorifying all these mazep and other traitors. Not?
      At the beginning of the database in the Donbas many Ukrainians went to help. Are there many internationalists in LDNR today? Although, in the same way it is already possible to speak about the APU and terbats. There, too, foreigners scatter.
      And about the fact that people support LDNR ... Sorry, but I will believe Sharia more than social networks, in which a dozen users sit. I believe more those who write to me, than those whom I do not know.
      By the way, about the lazy Ukrainians betrayed the brothers. And they did not betray their grandfathers and their fathers? At least by the fact that they abandoned their victory over fascism. They even refused to mention the Second World War ... The fact that our government continues to snot chew towards Kiev only leads to a deterioration in relations. But the people are just tired of this country. Even ethnic Ukrainians who moved to Russia at a mature age are tired.
      1. michey
        michey 21 November 2017 09: 10 New
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        Quote: domokl
        In 1989, supporters of UNA-UNSO marching in Kiev?

        - And in St. Petersburg Mannerheim’s board was hanged. Rrrr-us-s-sky marches with swathes pass. AND?
        Quote: domokl
        No, already in 1990 the anti-Moskalsky books were published. Glorifying all these mazeps and other traitors. Not?

        What is the story of the Russian Federation? Where was the little boy in the Bundestag? From the Lion?
        The fact that our government continues to chew snot in relation to Kiev only leads to a deterioration in relations.
        Quote: domokl
        The fact that our government continues to chew snot in relation to Kiev only leads to a deterioration in relations.

        I agree with that. But stop chewing snot - it will not be fenced off, it will restore order there.