The process of the case of the disruption of the construction of military facilities in the Arctic begins in Moscow

Today the Moscow Presnensky Court will begin hearings on the case of Alexali Ekkert, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Rusalians Story and the head of the company, Dmitry Busmanov, accused of disrupting the construction of military facilities in the Arctic, reports RIA News.

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A spokesman explained that a preliminary hearing would be held in the courtroom. This stage of the process will be closed. The meeting will address the procedural issues of the upcoming hearings.

The defendants are charged with “fraud on a large scale” and face up to 10 years imprisonment.

According to the materials of the investigation, the defendants supervised the construction of military facilities and, through fraud, stole about 3 billion rubles from the state.

Investigators believe that Ecker was trying to get information about all the procurement and contracts of the second head department of engineering at Spetsstroy, in order to use their old contacts in the military department to influence their outcome. In turn, Bushmanov, with the help of forged documents, created the appearance of work being done in the Arctic.

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[destination]

Again, they will give house arrest, like Vasilyeva, itt ... And I’ll pick up the spikelet from the field, shooting on the spot.

[100502]

This is a common judicial practice in the Russian serfs in full and master is a different sort of people

[dik-nsk]

Yes, even if they slap the maximum speed - this will not solve the problem, they will steal .. that he is 10 years old if he rested 3 yards? well, he’ll serve half a term and leave according to parole, and with such dough you can sit as in a resort .. You need to confiscate all the property of all the relatives of the first stage, then they will think if it’s worth the risk if you lose everything yourself and your family, up to grandchildren and grandmothers, everything that is, even their own honestly acquired property, around the world with outstretched hands

[stas]

The theft gene lives in the Kremlin and thrives thanks to a market flea market.
Large-scale theft requires the death penalty, not house arrests.
But the tsarist authorities do not want to offend themselves.

[Lelek]

Quote: stas

stas

Hey. Mark Twain once wrote: "In America, the one who stole the roll from the tray is sent to prison, and the one who stole the railway is sent to the Senate." You read it and scratch it in the dark: "But this is about us, about today's Russia." As long as the principle of the ruling elite exists, “we don’t surrender ours” there will be “undercover theft,” outrage of the masses and reasons for “drums” of any rabble such as “bulk”, “daredevtsev”, “Yavlinsky”, “Sobchaks”, etc. evil spirits.

[Zebus]

Well, let's say - he did not steal a yard away:
1. A minimum of 30-40% was unfastened to the technical customer (usually a company affiliated with the state customer is appointed) for the signed acts of the work performed - otherwise he would not have been able to receive this money.
2. Previously, at least 10% unfastened for winning a tender for construction.
3. All kinds of expenses for redesign and coordination issues - this is up to 5-10%.
TOTAL: At best, he took a lard and a half.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Zebus

TOTAL: At best, he took a lard and a half.

Well, this is fundamentally changing the matter!

[weksha50]

Quote: Zebus

TOTAL: At best he took a lard and a half.

Do you think this is not enough?

Let us return to DAMovsky: “There is no money, but you hold on” ... How many of such “lards” are stolen in Russia - do not you think? There is more than one country’s budget, if it’s good to coat it ...

[zivXP]

If that helps, it’s just like in China - the execution for embezzlement on an especially large scale. Although there they do not stop stealing.

[Dashout]

With all the purges and attention to Artik, how could this have happened in the army?

[210ox]

How would you like to respond more politely .. Parasites often settle in the body. And they are destroyed .. And only here in Russia they clatter with them. Maybe the body is used to it, or is it already hopelessly sick?

Quote: Dashout

With all the purges and attention to Artik, how could this have happened in the army?

[weksha50]

Quote: 210ox

And they are being destroyed .. And only here in Russia they clatter with them. Maybe the body is used to it, or is it already hopelessly sick?

We need a new antibiotic ... Yes, yes, with a capital letter - Antibiotic ...

PS It is not necessary that his name is Joseph Vissarionovich or Lavrenty Pavlovich ... The main thing is that microbes be destroyed ... Tightly ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: weksha50

Quote: 210ox

And they are being destroyed .. And only here in Russia they clatter with them. Maybe the body is used to it, or is it already hopelessly sick?

We need a new antibiotic ... Yes, yes, with a capital letter - Antibiotic ...

PS It is not necessary that his name is Joseph Vissarionovich or Lavrenty Pavlovich ... The main thing is that microbes be destroyed ... Tightly ...

Hmm ... here you probably have sn all white. And the inspection is legal. And the real siege. And there are no tax debts. And you do not give and do not receive bribes. Let's say. And for 20% of citizens, the opposite is true. And this goes damage not lard and not three.
Do they also need to be "tight"?
Or maybe it will cost? This I hint that you are an idealist on the one hand.
And on the other hand, your words sound something like that, yes, we all steal, since the authorities allow us to do this. But here we came to the swamp, to throw off this bad power, because it can not make us not steal.
Perhaps you will laugh, but these are real words of my friends who have not yet completely lost their minds, but have completely fallen out of reality. And if you find such relatives, are you ready for them too "tightly"?

[Mih1974]

And I’ll deduce such statistics from yours - if 20% has all kinds of “dark deeds” there, then the sums in the size of the country are astronomical, now we determine these 20% or build a new transib or expense (it doesn’t matter), but these astronomical amounts already without plundering, let go just inside the country - to schools, hospitals (really free), to free kindergartens, to increase the salaries of emergency workers. And imagine those that if it is 20% in consumption, then WHAT we will have roads , yes, as in the same Europe and even better (there are such examples, but such “smart guys” are immediately taken away from orders). It is possible to create state aviation for domestic flights on domestic aircraft (for state subsidies) only for citizens of the country . For such "non-stolen money," you can build a huge number of houses and present apartments to them to ALL veterans and "heroes of the rear", create boarding houses for single pensioners and pay for their decent living (life) . I repeat this ALL happiness will be if, as you said, "put 20% into consumption." Tell this, dozens of millions of people need to be killed, but if the saved money increases and extends payments of “mother’s capital”, then how many “additional” children will the people give birth to? And all that is required of a person - DO NOT STEAL.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Having removed 20% of the most active, albeit thieving, population from not the last position, will you put in their place housewives who still have everything to the lantern, and whose hands just haven’t reached yet? Are you sure that they will not accept the relay with joy, and that the damage from such a move will not exceed the volume of theft?
First you prepare the frames, and after that you will hang up ..
And then how do you see the likelihood of a civil war if you are 20% of the population?
You say very correct words, but completely divorced from reality, and do not see a normal way to resolve the situation. Why should people stop stealing if they know that the country does not belong to them? Smart uncles will earn money at former national enterprises, but people will not steal at the same time? Do you see it like that? If smart uncles can, then why can't everyone else ??
When you talk about what you can create and give, you don’t seem to imagine that the bourgeoisie can’t allow this in any way, because state production will ruin business. You are not looking for enemies there.

[weksha50]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

And on the other hand, your words sound something like that, yes, we all steal, since the authorities allow us to do this. But here we came to the swamp, to throw off this bad power, because it can not make us not steal.

Here it is - yeah ... I didn’t expect that I could be ranked among white-collar workers ...
And as for my relatives - did I clean them "tightly" for theft ... Well, I probably wouldn’t kill, but I wouldn’t steal too ...
Remember how in Singapore they fought corruption ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Here I agree with you. But re-educating older people is almost unrealistic ..
If it happens that they try to rob them of the right to theft, then you and they will be on opposite sides of the barricades. This must be well understood.
I also try to bring to life whenever possible. But hard ..))

[Dashout]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

But re-educating older people is almost unrealistic.

I don’t need all of them ... I remember my mother and I were riding in a trolleybus, she says: "Break two subscriptions for me!" I ask - why two? She says: "I didn’t strike last time!" Like this! There were such people. They worked all my life, and could not even take a penny too much ... I remember my whole life ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Now honesty is not in honor. People in this warehouse are the most vulnerable. Ostap Bendery do not sleep. I listen to how pensioners are poured into the ears of retirees about diseases, tests and medicines at a discount "only for them and only now." I observe a massive ringing of apartments by all sorts of left-hand gorgaz-type offices, threatening all sorts of punishments for not installing counters, etc. etc.
Will be put under the root of the honest soon. There is no normal job for them anywhere, and in business it is almost impossible to remain honest without harming oneself for the average entrepreneur.
The example you cited is more likely an exception, alas.

[Dashout]

It was a long time ago ... probably back in perestroika ... When did we have subscriptions and composters? At what year?

[Ivan Ivanov]

just as in the east is obvious. an effective owner is efficient everywhere.

[The black]

The defendants are charged with “fraud on a large scale” and face up to 10 years imprisonment.

They should sit until everything is returned ... And in general, in my opinion, it would be fair to count the beginning of the term not from the moment of repayment, but from the moment of full compensation of damage .... I returned it faster, they started to count the time faster. And no conditional, subscriptions and home .... only on NARI !!!

[Gardamir]

until everything is returned

then they never sit down. it's time to understand you can’t measure crime with money.

[Svateev]

Quote: Gardamir

then they never sit down.

On the contrary. So they never come out. So let the rest of my life and cut down the forest somewhere near Vorkuta.

[Gardamir]

On the contrary.

Yes, come on, they will pay once, they won’t catch the other time. in Moscow, the second time they laid asphalt. How many were riveted on this ?.

[Svateev]

Quote: Gardamir

they will pay once

If you talk like that, then nothing will help. Neither confiscation, nor executions ... According to your logic, they will "pay once" and they will not be caught.
But here they are judged, they could not pay off.

[zivXP]

That's right, he returned everything to the penny - sit all the time. But you can’t return it - execution. These are for especially large thefts. Only we will not do this in view of many reasons. The main thing, what if they themselves get caught?

[Gardamir]

If you talk like that, then nothing will help. Neither confiscation nor executions.

It will help if confiscation or to places not so remote. the conversation began with the fact that let him pay where he stole and in another place he steals again

[Riifych]

So they sit differently. Highly.

[Maz]

They waited a long time for something, they could have started earlier - how much energy and money would have been saved

[Kudrevkn]

Is he the "sister" of Sveta Medvedeva? And it looks like a guy looks like !?

[210ox]

No words. One obscene words. How long! When will we start to put the villains against the wall?

[x.andvlad]

Yes, never. We have abolished the death penalty. And the trial shows that the punishment is, inevitably, inevitable ... Then there will be a suspended or real term of "minimum" with release in six months.

[japs]

Serdyukov is laughing ...
Question - are these burry zits-chairmen personally to blame? And no one is standing behind them?
Land privatization of the Moscow region, Vostochny spaceport, Olympiad, Kerch bridge ...
Should I continue further? Answer: ask Karl Marx.

[Kleber]

The object is military ... for this it is not necessary to sew fraud, but sabotage and treason.

[LiSiCyn]

Correctly !!!! And judge by a military court. And then, with a loss of rights, in the Arctic on a construction site .. To finish building objects ..

[Kleber]

What are the defeats of rights? For life immediately and to sit with tuberculosis in the same cell.

[LiSiCyn]

Well, for what, so cruel . First, take everything away from them and their relatives, then let them sit for about 7 years ... And, about five years old, they will permafrost them with a kyle.

[Kleber]

So they are not stupid people ... they’ve probably hidden the money in offshore companies. Yes, and relatives are already probably over the hill of the annex.

[rotmistr60]

the accused disrupt the construction of military facilities in the arctic

In the old days, it was called simpler and more intelligible - Wrecking (harming the state using official position) and was punished accordingly.

[Jedi]

Comrade Stalin, with whom Western media love to compare GDP, did not fuss with such.

[Egorovich]

Serdyukovschina continues and there is no end to it. As long as there are no real terms for such crimes and the law on the complete confiscation of property in Russia, everything will remain so. As they stole, they will also steal, and will sit with a bracelet of any house.

[rocket757]

Yes, what Serdyukovschina ... at such a system !!!
The system is rotten from head to toe ... just the "screw" did not share in time with the "gear", "spring" ....

[Svateev]

Quote: Egorovich

So far ... there will be no law on the complete confiscation of property in Russia, everything will remain so.

Confiscation will not help, because you will not find this hidden money. Neither the wife, nor the children, nor the mistress, etc. you will not find.
The money is in a numbered account, according to which there is no information who their owner is and therefore it is not impossible to confiscate it, it is a problem to find it. Only the person involved knows the number of this account and the password for accessing money. Therefore, the defendant must be closed alone on bread and water until he returns the money.
There are many ways to hide money "from mom" (remember, several years ago on central TV there was such an advertisement of some Baltic bank?) For example, in the spring of this year, my native Sberbank pounced on me: let's redo your deposit on the insurance policy of the "daughter" of Sberbank !
“And what will it give me?” - I ask.
- In the meantime, the insurance period does not end, you do not have money. And if you want to get a divorce before the end of insurance, the insurance policy will not be shared between spouses.
It’s clear how you can hide the money? And legally, they are right: until the insured has lived to see the end of the insurance, he does not have money and the insurer does not owe him anything. What will you confiscate? Insurance policy? For God's sake, the paper on which it is printed costs three rubles. And the rights under this policy cannot be confiscated, they are personal. At least for now, the legislation is as follows.
In vain a century ago there were debt prisons all over the world, including in tsarist Russia ?! Even then, they understood that the most effective debt collection is to make the debtor himself want to give back the hidden.

[Egorovich]

Not everyone has money abroad. Houses, apartments, cars, garages, property and everything else here on the spot. But there is no law on confiscation and it seems that it is not expected. Lawmakers cover themselves with this. I think so.

[stas]

More reason in the tsarist government of the modern Kremlin, which operates on the principle - the people according to the law of a penny, their all that they want.
Some lackeys decide on such theft and why are they worse than the oligarchs.
And it turns out that the law and the court are not all equal, there is even more equal who is closer to the King.
Sechin gave a bribe to Ulyukaev, and then he laid it down, Ulyukaev did not have time to share now the house arrest and not the cell.

[Gary zucker]

Under Article 58, 99% sat for something like this. And then they rehabilitated.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Gary Zucker

Under Article 58, 99% sat for something like this. And then they rehabilitated.

- Which crimes did you combine under the term "such"?
- How did you manage to equate today's economic crime (stealing billions of budget money) with political crimes under Art. 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR ?!
- Where did you get such statistics about 99% for "such"?
- What makes you think that they (99%?) Were then rehabilitated?
And in general - can rehabilitation of those convicted of political crimes mean anything other than the fact that the political situation has changed? The Nazi criminals were rehabilitated in Ukraine, but on a global scale, this does not mean that the Nazis have ceased to be criminals.

[Neputin]

In addition to theft and outright sabotage, there is still the problem of incompetent leadership. If the vertical of power was built not on the principles of personal devotion, but on the principles of competence in a particular industry, then it would be more difficult to harm and steal. And what to take from our leaders. For example, Rogozin - well, just a booby talker. Stalin was right. “If we had set the business of managing the economy differently, if we had much earlier begun to study the technique of the business, to master the technique, if we had more often and intelligently intervened in the management of the farm, the pests would not have been able to do so much harm.
We must become specialists ourselves, master of the business, we must turn our faces to technical knowledge - this is where life pushed us ... It's time, it is high time we turned to face technology. It’s time to discard the old slogan, which has outlived the slogan of non-interference in technology, and become experts themselves, experts in the business, become the very full masters of the business. ” (Stalin I. Works. Vol. 13., 1951, p. 37).

[Svateev]

It turns out that officials have long come up with the idea that they themselves are not required to know the issue they are running! There, Joseph Vissarionovich himself had to indicate:

Quote: Neputin

It’s time to discard the old slogan, which has outlived the slogan of non-interference in technology, and become experts themselves, experts in the business, become the full masters of the business. ” (Stalin I. Works. T.13., 1951, p. 37).

And then I write to the head of the All-Russian Armed Forces Military Research Center "Combined Arms Academy of the RF Armed Forces" that his subordinate was mistaken in the review and indicate: "Look at the shooting course yourself, there isn’t such a thing." But the boss himself apparently does not know how to read, and again passes the matter to his subordinate for consideration.

[Berkut24]

Bosses rarely read personally. Their task is to correctly distribute their duties among subordinates. If the Minister of Defense write a paper stating that the new tanks were painted with an incorrect color, then be sure that if you receive an answer signed by the Minister, this does not mean that he even read it. Since Joseph Vissarionovich, information flows in the management structure have grown so much that there is no longer any possibility to control them “personally”.
And to increase the personal responsibility of a civil servant or company executives admitted to the contract can only be one way. Seize foreign passports and, upon completion of work, arrange prosecutorial checks. And only after that, these passports to return or transfer cases to court. In general, I believe that any official should pass a rigorous check on the results of his work when dismissing or moving to a new position. And no second citizenship.

[Berkut24]

The fight against corruption is not just running around for those who have not "rolled up." What is being done suggests that the country is at the stage of demonstrating the inevitability of the investigation and prosecution. As if a sign is given that they will calculate anyway.
So far there are no results for the next stage - to give a sign that they will still be planted 100% regardless of the "roof". When this stage is completed, the contractors will stop flocking to contests like flies for fresh manure.
But there is one more stage - extracting money from offshore companies, and thieves from other states. But this will be possible only after Russia can politically and economically pinch the damages to those countries that "do not give out their own." Before this, we still have to live.

[japs]

"... But there is another stage - extracting money from offshore companies, and thieves from other states ..."
You do not know? Already refused, since it is too dangerous, the West will stop investing in the iPhone government and the American bank Nabiullina.

[weksha50]

Quote: Berkut24

What is being done suggests that the country is at the stage of demonstrating the inevitability of the investigation and prosecution. As if a sign is given that they will calculate anyway.

Unfortunately, it is precisely "demonstrations" ... To us, the people ... So that we continue to believe in a brighter future ...
To prove that THIS is not just a "demonstration", you can easily, by planting Chubais .... (at least) ...

[Berkut24]

Perhaps Chubais cherish "for dessert." In the elections, the joker is laid out at the end.

[weksha50]

Quote: Berkut24

Perhaps Chubais cherish "for dessert." In the elections, the joker is laid out at the end.

We are unlikely to wait for such a "joker" ...

[Sands Careers General]

Solder astronomical dates to all involved, others in their places will move the rolls more actively. Checked by Comrade Stalin.

[free]

Confiscations, executions online on Red Square will be? It's time to learn from the experience of a neighbor.

[Romanenko]

Well, yes, all the kickbacks were distributed, they did not forget themselves ... and there was nothing to build.
The standard practice of recent years, alas ...

[Komynist]

Yes, they would not be amused. So far, not one has suffered the deserved punishment !!!

[friend of animals]

How crazy are people that they steal at strategically important sites such as the Arctic and Vostochny Cosmodrome, for example.

[The Siberian barber]

..ech, Russia Mother! ..
And Peter the Great, tearing his nostrils .. and Stalin put to the wall and exiled to Kolyma, nothing changes)) They stole, they steal and will steal. Some kind of "national idea" ..
But we must fight, of course .. Only, HOW, with ourselves ??

[ADmA_RUS]

They steal everywhere and not only in Russia. No need to make us special. In terms of corruption, it’s not like the United States, but the EU is still creeping and crawling.

[Overlock]

Least of all corruption in 2016 in Denmark.
The most corrupt country in 2016 turned out to be Somalia.

Russia shares 136th position with Nigeria. And Ukraine takes 142 place.

[ADmA_RUS]

Who counts what counts?
These people give such bonuses.

In April 2015, TI defended the decision of its American head of TI-USA to give the Hillary Clinton Honesty Award in 2012.

Seriously?

[weksha50]

Quote: Overlock

Russia shares 136th position with Nigeria. And Ukraine takes 142 place.

I am always "touched" by SUCH statistics ...

Well, KAAAAK can not only calculate the level of corruption in a single country, but also distribute between them palm trees and panicles of backwardness ???

[weksha50]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

..ech, Russia Mother! ..
And Peter the Great, tearing his nostrils .. and Stalin put to the wall and exiled to Kolyma, nothing changes)) They stole, they steal and will steal. Some kind of "national idea" ..

[alfa19638]

It is necessary to shoot, but the liberals led by the president have a different opinion than the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the country's population

[12olegg34]

Heads must be cut and confiscated. all at once sober up ...

[stolz]

Quote: dik-nsk

Yes, even if they slap the maximum speed - this will not solve the problem, they will steal .. that he is 10 years old if he rested 3 yards? well, he’ll serve half a term and leave according to parole, and with such dough you can sit as in a resort .. You need to confiscate all the property of all the relatives of the first stage, then they will think if it’s worth the risk if you lose everything yourself and your family, up to grandchildren and grandmothers, everything that is, even their own honestly acquired property, around the world with outstretched hands

Just do not have to carry nonsense here, at the level of pensioners on a bench near the entrance. Nobody knows who they stole and how much they shared and with whom, and therefore punishment should not be expected to be too strict, everything will end, most likely, with chatter and suspended sentences. Now, if anyone had put up a bag of potatoes, then yes, they were promoted to the fullest extent, and where billions are stolen, the situation is completely inaccessible to us simple mortals living from paycheck to paycheck.

[afrikanez]

They should not be judged, but simply left in the same Arctic, in the open. The question will be solved by itself. All the same, we won’t refund the money, but science is different ...

[16112014nk]

A month ago, in VO they wrote how the managers of the RKS stole 400 million rubles. Reimbursed "voluntarily" 000 million rubles. It seems that on this "investigation is complete, forget it." Here, most likely the result is the same. "We will not surrender our own"?

[Overlock]

Well, the trial began, and then? Conditional punishment or freedom in the courtroom - do not go to the grandmother. These courts are for ordinary people. Think about it. the billiards were stolen, garbage, if three bags of potatoes, this is serious. What power, such and such courts

[voyaka uh]

Not the only example:

"Gazprom Invest paid 1,7 billion rubles for an unfinished 125-kilometer
gas pipeline to the city of Priozersk, Leningrad Region, Fontanka reports.
The correspondent of the publication found out that at the moment only the first one was built
40 km section and one gas distribution station in Sosnovo,
although according to the documents almost all the work was accepted and paid back in 2015. "

Such fictitious construction "on paper" was full in Brezhnev times.
I honestly did not think that he would return to Russia.

[rocket757]

The topic of corruption, as old as this world !!!
Everything, about everything, was discussed a hundred times and received, that it was as if it wasn’t only where and where to take nothing.
There are certainly unique phenomena, such as in Singapore it is not ??? or almost no in Denmark !!!
And sho, someone seeks to adopt best practices ??? Or successfully already adopted ???
Wherever you look, they offer the same thing ... like shortening the "tail" to the corruption officials / thieves by the very EARS.

[Dimko]

A very strange story. here Zebus wrote down the whole layout. That's interesting, but where is the main person involved? 3 yards from the budget and not a single military officer on the bench. The old man Stanislavsky yells: "I do not believe." And it’s even more interesting that they built everything at first. In general, this story teaches us one thing - stay away from budget money, even if there are no others.

[APASUS]

And a really muddy story, although as in any story we don’t know everything.

[Former battalion commander]

A typical Russian situation ... When thieves find themselves at almost ALL levels of government ... starting with the MOST and ending with the foreman at a construction site ...

[Sergey53]

Better let them return the stolen goods. And the term they will be knocked to a minimum.

[misti1973]

Now they will start shaking everyone. And who needs and who doesn’t need. After the elections, I think, ordinary citizens will begin to be squeezed. For example, at the beginning of the year there was an infa about a bill that will allow taking housing for debts on a mortgage. In theory, it should be in the Federation Council.

[dream]

Nothing will change, as they took and take!
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3433874