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“We are fighting as if we are possessed, but we cannot make our way to the river ...”

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A. Hitler, not wanting to reckon with the obvious failure of his plans to seize Stalingrad, still demanded that the troops continue the offensive with an "increasing force." In accordance with this, on November 11 — 12, the enemy launched another major attack on the 62 Army, and five infantry and two tank divisions reinforced by separate units. The last, fourth assault on Stalingrad began.


Fourth assault

Five infantry (389th, 79th, 305th, 100th and 295th) and two tank (24th and 14th) divisions, reinforced by four fresh combat engineer battalions, took part in the operation. The position and condition of the 62nd Army was extremely difficult. It consisted of: 47 thousand people, about 800 guns and mortars (caliber 76 mm and larger) and 19 tanks. The new offensive of the German army coincided with the beginning of a powerful ice drift on the Volga, which greatly worsened the situation of Soviet soldiers deprived of supplies. Volga flotilla could not make their way to the right bank.

By the end of November 11, the Germans managed to break through the defenses of the 241 Infantry Regiment of the 95 Infantry Division, capture the southern part of the Barricades factory and break through to the Volga in the 500 width. But the enemy could no longer change the general situation. In other areas, all attacks successfully fought off. The enemy divisions suffered such huge losses that only numbers remained of many of them. For example, the 305-I and 79-I German divisions lost almost all personnel. The troops of the 62 Army were also drained of blood. Her divisions numbered 500-700 people. In the 13-th Guards Rifle Division there were about 1500 fighters.

The fighting was still characterized by extreme tenacity and bitterness. This time the Germans had high hopes for the sapper units. The German officer, battalion commander Helmut Welz wrote: “... Under the cover of night, the subunits occupy their initial positions, companies and platoons are pulled up. Checked again weapon and means of close combat. From my own experience I know what is happening in these moments. Suddenly silence breaks. Gun volleys one by one, continuously. From the black carpet behind us to the sky soar short fiery flashes. There are hundreds of them. Shells are torn on the slopes of heights and slopes of hollows, in ruins, on embankments. Everything is trembling from the buzz. Waves of hot air roll over us. A thick child spreads over the ground, the first dawn rays penetrate through it, they illuminate the desert terrain, which was blown up by shells and bombs.

Russian volley-by-volley hits the Russian positions. There should be nothing alive. Continuously beat heavy guns. Towards the first rays of the rising sun, bombers with black crosses rush in an enlightened sky ... They swoop down and with a howl drop their bomb load onto the target ... Any other 20 meters, and they (German infantry) are already taking advanced Russian positions! And suddenly they lie down under hurricane fire. On the left in short bursts of machine guns beat. Russian infantry appears in the craters and at the firing points, which we have already considered destroyed. We can see the helmets of Russian soldiers. Every moment we see how our advancing soldiers no longer rise, and our rifles and machine guns no longer rise from their hands. ”

It seemed that the Germans won the fight. However, “... Everyone is rushing back. Behind them are a few sappers. So, our retreat! It's time to bring the bulk of the battalions into battle, but nothing like that happens. Another two or three minutes, and the first helmets of Russian soldiers are already visible. Russian gradually accumulate, form into groups, pursuing randomly retreating sappers. Where are the remaining forces of the five battalions? Are the retreating groups all that? All that's left? The Russians are now approaching their starting position, they are exposed to the same hurricane artillery fire as in the morning. The infantry regiment begins to move. Russian promotion stops. Only in some places are trying to continue. The lines are fixed, freeze. All again as before. As before the attack, as yesterday, as a week ago! What an obsession, did I ever have a dream about this whole fight? Five fresh battalions went on the offensive, five battalions were fighting like at home on a training parade ground. And the result? Most of them were killed, some were injured, the rest were broken, utterly broken. Enchanted place! No matter how you try to take it, you come across granite. ”

In the letters of German soldiers, a fierce battle in the city is very figuratively and really described: “Stalingrad is hell on earth, Verdun, Red Verdun with new weapons. We attack daily. If we succeed in taking 20 meters in the morning, in the evening the Russians will throw us back. ” In another letter, the German corporal informs the mother: “You will have to wait a long time for the special message that we have Stalingrad. The Russians do not surrender, they fight to the last man. ” In the US, the “New York Herald Tribune” wrote: “Such battles do not lend themselves to strategic calculation. They are conducted with burning hatred, with passion ... "

For the third time, the defense of the 62 Army was split into three main centers of struggle: the Rynok area, Spartanovka, where the group of Colonel S.F. Gorokhov’s isolated forces from the main forces of the army fought against October 14, each left for 124-149 people); the eastern part of the Barrikady factory, where the 500 Infantry Division of I. I. Lyudnikov, no more than 600 fighters, continued to defend strenuously on a narrow bridgehead; then, after a rupture of several hundred meters, the main front of the Chuikov army was marching from the Red October to the pier (part of the 138, 500 of the rifle divisions, the combined regiment of the 95 of the rifle division, part of the 45 of the Guards and 193 rifle divisions). The left flank of this sector was occupied by the 39-I Guards Division of Major General A.I. Rodimtsev, whose positions were held near the Volga coast. The territory of Voroshilovsky district (from the city center to the Kuporosnoy gully) was occupied by the Germans. The southern part of the city, from Kuporinoe to Krasnoarmeisky (rural) district, continued to defend units of the 284 Army commanded by Major General Shumilov. Having pushed the defenders of Stalingrad almost to the very bank of the Volga, the troops of Paulus’s army were powerless to throw Soviet soldiers into it. Each advance step cost the enemy enormous losses and lost military significance.



After the German troops broke through to the Volga south of the Barricades plant, the 138-I division was cut off from the main forces of the 62 Army. Ludnikova’s division fought three German divisions, keeping the area about 700 m along the front and 400 m in depth. The Soviet soldiers reflected from the north, west and south of the enemy's attack, were cut off from their neighbors and their rears. The supply of the 138 Rifle Division with ammunition and food, as well as the evacuation of the wounded, was carried out with great difficulty through the r. Monetary Volozhka, separating the division from the island Zaitsevsky, and r. Volga. 11 November The 138-Infantry Division, in the shelves of which the 70-100 fighters remained, repulsed six enemy attacks.

A divisional commander of the Soviet division cites a letter from a German officer who was killed in battle for the “Lyudnikov Island”: “We need to get to the Volga. We see her - less than a kilometer away. We are constantly supported aviation and artillery. We fight as if obsessed, but we can’t make our way to the river. The whole war in France lasted in less than one Volga plant. We took large cities and lost fewer people than on this God damned patch of land. Probably suicide bombers are fighting against us. They do not receive reinforcements, since we control the crossing. They just decided to fight to the last soldier. And how many of them remain there - the last? And when will this hell end? .. "

This was the last success of the German 6 Army. Continuous battles continued until mid-November 1942, but all subsequent German attacks were repulsed. Even the Berlin newspapers recognized: “For the first time in stories the modern city is held by the troops until the last wall is destroyed ... this enemy does not spare his own city. Our offensive, despite its numerical superiority, does not lead to success. " The German army finally exhausted and its actions were paralyzed. His main strike force was bloodless, the Germans lost the initiative and went on the defensive. At this time, the Soviet army was preparing for a decisive counteroffensive.

“We are fighting as if we are possessed, but we cannot make our way to the river ...”

Fighters of the 138 Infantry Division are fighting in the area of ​​the plant "Barricades"

With a machine gun in his hands and a food thermos on his back with rations for the city’s defenders, the Red Armyman sneaks through the ruins of Stalingrad

Sniper of the 39 Guards Rifle Regiment of the 13 Guards Division A.I. Chekhov at the firing line in Stalingrad

Results

By mid-November 1942, the advance of the German forces was halted on the whole front. The German army was drained of blood, lost the initiative and was forced to finally go on the defensive. The large Stalingrad group of the Wehrmacht was drawn into protracted bloody battles and was deprived of its main trump card - the ability to maneuver. Stalingrad, as Hitler feared, turned for the German army "into an all-devouring trick."

On this strategic defensive operation of the Battle of Stalingrad ended. By the end of the defensive period of the battle of Stalingrad, the 62 Army held the area north of the Stalingrad Tractor Plant, the Barikady plant, and the north-eastern quarters of the city center. 64-I army defended the approaches to its southern part. The troops of the Stalingrad, South-Eastern and Don fronts fulfilled their tasks, holding back the powerful offensive of the enemy in the Stalingrad sector, creating the prerequisites for the decisive counteroffensive of the Red Army.

During the defensive battles Wehrmacht suffered huge losses. In the struggle for Stalingrad, the enemy lost about 700 thousand killed and wounded, over 2 thousand guns and mortars, more 1000 tanks and assault guns and over 1,4 thousand combat and transport aircraft. Instead of non-stop advancement to the Volga, enemy troops were drawn into protracted, fierce battles in the Stalingrad area. The German command plan for the summer of 1942 was thwarted (battles for Stalingrad and the Caucasus). At the same time, Soviet troops also suffered heavy losses in personnel - 644 thousand people, of which irrevocable - 324 thousand people, sanitary 320 thousand people. Loss of weapons amounted to: about 1400 tanks, more than 12 thousand guns and mortars and more 2 thousand aircraft.

The Stalingrad strategic defensive operation prepared the conditions for the Red Army to launch a counteroffensive with the aim of decisively defeating the enemy at Stalingrad. In this situation, the Soviet Supreme High Command concluded that it was here, on the southern wing of the Soviet-German front, in the autumn of 1942 that the most favorable conditions were created for offensive operations.

Thus, although both offensive wings of the German group South in the summer campaign 1942 of the year were successful, in October they were already at the limit of their capabilities. And Hitler, instead of sacrificing either the Caucasus or Stalingrad, which allowed him to survive during the winter campaign of 1942 - 1943, having occupied a shortened front line, continued to insist on mastering and retaining both positions. Although the Führer himself considered the far-advanced arc of the German front on the Don and the Volga dangerous. Moreover, by its own propaganda, which announced 8 in November: “Stalingrad is in our hands”, the Führer deprived himself of political decision-making freedom. Now, leaving the city meant recognizing your strategic and political defeat.

Moreover, the main forces and means of the Stalingrad group were concentrated directly in the Stalingrad area. The troops of the German grouping were located in unfavorable conditions on a huge arc with the summit near Stalingrad between the Volga and the Don rivers. Its flanks to the north-west and south of Stalingrad were covered with less efficient Romanian and Italian formations. In the Stalingrad direction, the Wehrmacht did not have large operational reserves. Communications were stretched for thousands of kilometers and were vulnerable over vast areas. The chief of the German General Staff, General Halder, clearly saw the danger of such a situation and proposed a solution - to withdraw the troops from Stalingrad and, at the expense of the liberated divisions, create a solid front along the Don line. However, Hitler preferred to take a chance and replaced the Chief of General Staff.

It is clear that the Soviet high command also saw everything well. KK Rokossovsky noted: ““ With an objective assessment of the current situation and in anticipation of the approaching winter, the enemy had only one way out - an immediate withdrawal to the greatest possible distance. But, underestimating the capabilities of the Soviet Union, the enemy decided to hold the space seized by him, and this used our Supreme High Command in a timely manner in the current situation. The long awaited moment has come for us. ” In late September, the Soviet command began to develop a plan and directly prepare a counteroffensive on the Stalingrad sector.


Arrows divisions of Lieutenant Rogov are fighting in the area of ​​the plant "Barricades". November 1942 g. Photo rare by the presence in the frame of a self-loading rifle Tokarev SVT-40 in a sniper version. The sniper version of the SVT-40 was inferior in accuracy and effective range of the Mosin sniper rifle of the 1891 / 30 model, and therefore by the middle of the war it was replaced in production by an outdated and less rapid-firing, but more accurate, “Mosinka”. Photo source: http://waralbum.ru/

Mortar IG Goncharov and G.A. Gafatulin firing on German positions in the Stalingrad area of ​​120-mm mortar
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 15 November 2017 07: 24 New
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    Volley after volley falls on Russian positions. There should no longer be anything alive. Heavy guns hit continuously. Bombers with black crosses rush towards the first rays of the rising sun in an enlightened sky ... They dive and howl drop their bomb load on the target ... Just another 20 meters, and they (the German infantry) will already occupy advanced Russian positions! And suddenly they lie under hurricane fire. To the left, machine guns hit in short bursts. Russian infantry appears in the craters and at the firing points, which we already considered annihilated.

    The famous sniper Zaitsev, who defended Stalingrad on the slope of Mamayev Kurgan, wrote that the fighters did not wait for the fierce bombing in the advanced trenches, went into hiding places, and then, after the raid, they returned and met the attacking Germans.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 10: 03 New
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      Well, where are the "great" Western "historians" with their "El Alamein" or "Midway"? All of their "greatest" battles in World War II are not worth one day of fighting in Stalingrad.
      As the British press wrote at the time: “Stalingrad swallowed up the Nazi armies. Poland was conquered in 28 days. In 28 days, the Germans managed to capture several houses in Stalingrad.
      France fell in 38 days. In Stalingrad, in 38 days, the Germans managed to cross from one side of the street to the other. "
      That's how my grandfathers fought. One of them is a participant in the Battle of Stalingrad. My wife’s grandfather was surrounded by the army of Paulus and the famous tank raid on the airfield near the village of Tatsinskaya.

      Remember, only Russians know how to fight like that. In World War II there was not a single battle, not a single battle capable of comparing in strength and intensity with the battles on the Soviet-German front. Neither the French nor the British, nor even the Americans had the Brest Fortress, nor the defense of Moscow, nor the blockade of Leningrad, nor Stalingrad, nor the Kursk Bulge, nor the Bagration operation.
      The Normandy landing was bloody, but it was two years late and was nothing more than an attempt to snatch a piece fatter and prevent the Red Army from establishing its order in Europe.

      P.S. How long would Al Alamein last if the Germans would transfer from Stalingrad just 1/10 of the troops of the Wehrmacht involved there?
      1. panfil
        panfil 15 November 2017 12: 40 New
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        Totally agree with you. Americans throughout the war suffered less permanent losses than we or the Germans in the battle of Stalingrad. I still can’t imagine how in those conditions the Russian Soldiers survived. Eternal memory and glory to them!
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 15 November 2017 15: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: panfil
          Americans throughout the war suffered less permanent losses than we or the Germans in the battle of Stalingrad.

          There is something to be proud of, well done! So we would have treated the fighters. Maybe my grandfather would not have died on the 11th day after the call. They threw people like firewood into the firebox.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 15 November 2017 16: 03 New
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            Quote: verner1967
            There is something to be proud of, well done! So we would have treated the fighters. Maybe my grandfather would not have died on the 11th day after the call. They threw people like firewood into the firebox.

            Another ... and how did the Americans relate to the losses ... well, the landing, the tanks were trodden on their own .. the landing of paratroopers, the Germans all cut out, the monastery on the forehead ... and the thousand who were killed for smelling ... so it’s not worth it tear to reap ..
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 15 November 2017 19: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: badens1111
              Another ... but how did the Americans relate to the losses ...

              no need to take individual errors for the system, the number of losses in the war compare
              next, damn it!
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 November 2017 21: 16 New
                +7
                Quote: verner1967
                next, damn it!

                You bake them equally disgusting.
                It is time to already know and not to confuse the BATTLE losses of the Army and the genocide of the CIVIL population.
                In the first case, the losses were 1 to 1,3, in the second case, the total annihilation of the population for the sake of the racial twists of the Nazi ideology. The USSR did not do anything like this either for Nazi Germany. Nor the Khorty Hungary, otherwise now, the map of Europe would have looked completely different.
                Where and how were you taught ??
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 15 November 2017 22: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: badens1111
                  genocide of the CIVIL population.

                  what is this for? To send infantry to attack without artillery training and air cover is what? Use self-propelled guns or T-60/70 as breakthrough tanks without preliminary artillery preparation what is this? To force the water barrier without adequate supply of watercraft and the same air cover for well-fortified positions of the enemy, promising the first crossing of the GSS, is that? Genocide of the military?
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Where and how were you taught?
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 15 November 2017 22: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Where and how were you taught ??

                    You are an excellent verbiage.
                    Quote: verner1967
                    Genocide of the military?

                    Do you even realize that you froze?
                    Everything else your blah blah blah, I personally, tired of back in 90.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 16 November 2017 07: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Everything else your blah blah blah, I personally, tired of back in 90.

                      strange in the 90th I did not know about this site yet laughing
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Do you even realize that you froze?

                      difficulties with the concept of sarcasm? it happens....
                      Quote: badens1111
                      You are an excellent verbiage.

                      yeah, nothing to argue, understandably ... facts, they are stubborn
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 16 November 2017 08: 48 New
                        +3
                        Quote: verner1967
                        okay

                        To object to what, to your verbal exercises in advocating lies?
                        Quote: verner1967
                        strange in the 90th I did not know about this site yet

                        Well, I’m talking, chatting a question. Your favorite thing. If this site is here, if you repeat “facts, arguments and other” from sources of rotten sources like Ogonyok and other yellow press?
                  2. Mikado
                    Mikado 16 November 2017 12: 20 New
                    +2
                    having promised the first crossing of the GSS,

                    Mehlis tried to introduce similar things during the Finnish war. Social Competition. This phenomenon was discussed at a meeting on the results of the war in April of the 40th year. The analysis was summarized as follows: "One must compete wisely."
                2. verner1967
                  verner1967 16 November 2017 07: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Quote: verner1967
                  next, damn it!
                  You bake them equally disgusting.

                  this "pancake" was baked by your parents, and society added
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 16 November 2017 08: 48 New
                    +4
                    Quote: verner1967
                    this "pancake" was baked by your parents,

                    Hamite?
                    Well, for lack of intelligence, you always fall into rudeness.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 16 November 2017 19: 36 New
                      0
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Hamite?

                      no more than you
                      Quote: badens1111
                      for lack of intelligence, you always fall into rudeness.
                      so what? laughing
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 16 November 2017 19: 40 New
                        +2
                        Quote: verner1967
                        no more than you

                        Where?
                        For lack of intelligence, you always fall into rudeness.
                        Quote: verner1967
                        this "pancake" was baked by your parents, and society added

                        But this is blatant rudeness, for which in decent society they’re knocking with candelabra.
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 16: 06 New
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            verner1967 Today, 15:55 ↑
            There is something to be proud of, well done! So we would have treated the fighters. Maybe my grandfather would not have died on the 11th day after the call. They threw people like firewood into the firebox.
            If your grandfather had not died, you would not now throw feces on his blessed memory. To what degree of baseness should one be scoffed in order not to respect the memory of their ancestors who died so that people like you can live and write all kinds of crap!
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 15 November 2017 19: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              If your grandfather had not died, you would now
              what is this nonsense? Why did my grandfather have to die, that would ...? And if he survived, then what? And what did he do in these eleven days? Get property, weapons and get to the front line?
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              you wouldn’t throw feces on his blessed memory now.

              feces are thrown by those who are immensely proud of millions of losses, this is akin to dancing on the bones of those who died defending the country. Yes, I'm not proud, I'm sorry about that.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 19: 19 New
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                verner1967 Today, 19:14 ↑
                Yes i'm not proud
                It is understandable how an unfinished Nazi can be proud of our Victory over these very Nazis, he can only regret it, so that’s all right!
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 16 November 2017 19: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  how an unfinished Nazi can be proud of our Victory

                  and you don’t jump off the topic of losses and do not hide for the victory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. The exalted agitator of the CPSU, they, too, began to scream at uncomfortable questions about the unity of the party and the people, and to refer to the mass heroism of the people, but what does the people have to do with it when the question is about the party.
              2. badens1111
                badens1111 15 November 2017 21: 18 New
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                Quote: verner1967
                feces are thrown by those who are immensely proud of millions of losses, this is akin to dancing on the bones of those who died defending the country.

                Is it about yourself?
                And as a reservation to Freud-
                Quote: verner1967
                Yes i'm not proud

                Because Victory is not yours, but also
                Quote: verner1967
                sorry about it.

                So stop your dubious kind of moaning.
                Your grandfatherif he was in reality, Hitler killed-That claims to them. Do not want to present?
                Or was he on the other side of the front, so are you acting like that?
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 15 November 2017 22: 15 New
                  +1
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Is it about yourself?

                  no it's me about you with Varyag_0711 и
                  Quote: badens1111
                  your dubious kind of moaning.

                  о
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  Well, where are the "great" Western "historians" with their "El Alamein" or "Midway"?
                  Well, well, there’s no one here to earn pluses, the topic is true.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 15 November 2017 22: 46 New
                    +5
                    Quote: verner1967
                    The theme is true.

                    Faithful, expose you in the light that you deserve.
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 16 November 2017 19: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: badens1111
                      put you in the light that you deserve.

                      and in the knees is not weak?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 November 2017 12: 46 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Well, where are the "great" Western "historians" with their "El Alamein" or "Midway"? All of their "greatest" battles in World War II are not worth one day of fighting in Stalingrad.

        What do you answer to? belay I have about the memories of sniper Zaitsev about Stalingrad.
        Just want to post your comment higher. Why are others worse?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 12: 56 New
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          I did not respond to your comment. And if you bring back Zaitsev’s memoirs, you could have cited something more substantial than a simple statement of the fact that you must hide during enemy air raids. request Why something, and the memories of the battles in Stalingrad above the roof, and on both sides, could choose something more substantial.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 15 November 2017 13: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            I did not respond to your comment.

            So put your comment DOWN, respect the other colleagues ..
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            than a simple statement of the fact that during a raid by enemy aircraft it is necessary to hide.

            Read the recollections of how many regiments and divisions perished before this simple truth came: to withdraw for the duration of the fire strike, leaving only observers, then return.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 14: 11 New
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              Olgovich Today, 13:36 ↑ New
              So put your comment DOWN
              I forgot to ask you where and what to put in ... laughing laughing laughing
              respect other colleagues ..
              Is this someone, or something? So, firstly, you are not my colleague, and secondly, you must earn respect for yourself. This mission is not feasible for you, so relax.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 16 November 2017 07: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                I forgot to ask you where and what to put in ...

                Conscience, no shame, so there’s nothing to ask.
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                respect other colleagues ..
                Is this someone, or something? So, firstly, you are not my colleague, and secondly, you must earn respect for yourself. This mission is not feasible for you, so relax.

                It is indicated to you: COLLEAG respect, You are indifferent to me.
            2. 97110
              97110 15 November 2017 19: 20 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              until this simple truth has arrived: to withdraw for the duration of the fire strike.

              Yes, they noted your next run over to the Red Army. Regiments and divisions died in Brest, Odessa, and Sevastopol, not knowing that everyone had befallen back in 1915. Only by the end of 1942 did the Red Army finally receive information about how the British and French behaved there in 1915 . You are in your role, you are our anti-adviser.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 16 November 2017 07: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: 97110
                Quote: Olgovich
                until this simple truth has arrived: to withdraw for the duration of the fire strike.

                Yes, they noted your next run over to the Red Army. Regiments and divisions died in Brest, Odessa, and Sevastopol, not knowing that everyone had befallen back in 1915. Only by the end of 1942 did the Red Army finally receive information about how the British and French behaved there in 1915 . You are in your role, you are our anti-adviser.

                Marate literate companion, read memoirs.
                1. 97110
                  97110 16 November 2017 11: 46 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Marate literate comrade

                  To the doctor, heal yourself.
          2. long in stock.
            long in stock. 15 November 2017 16: 01 New
            +3
            you have offended him so much .. he always tries to make a comment first so that he can get a plus sign .. but don’t scold him please .. all the same a person at the age of him is excusable to have a fad ..
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 16: 11 New
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              long in stock. Today, 16:01 ↑
              Well you offended him so .. he always tries to put a comment first to dial pluses ..
              I noticed that.
              Citizen "Olgovich" is trying to make himself a "patriot", clinging to the great victory of the Soviet people. The people he hates so fiercely. It's funny ...
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 November 2017 16: 13 New
                +8
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Citizen "Olgovich" is trying to make himself a "patriot", clinging to the Great Victory of the Soviet People. The people he hates so fiercely.

                It’s not even funny, it’s mean. And you very correctly noticed his mimicrant policy.
                Here it is clear how the Soviet people thought and what.
                https://mywebs.su/blog/history/1855/
                He hates the fact of our people.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 16 November 2017 07: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                long in stock. Today, 16:01 ↑
                Well you offended him so .. he always tries to put a comment first to dial pluses ..
                I noticed that.
                Citizen "Olgovich" is trying to make himself a "patriot", clinging to the great victory of the Soviet people. The people he hates so fiercely. It's funny ...

                Russia is a thousand years old you are 70 years old. And no, long ago. This is ridiculous.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 16 November 2017 08: 51 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Russia is a thousand years old

                  This is understandable even without you, only you can’t try to pile the Monomakh’s Cap on yourself, you’re not able to, the neck is thin, and the other cap is put on you, senkina ...
                  And to speculate as you, in World War II, is meanness.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 16 November 2017 10: 35 New
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                    Quote: badens1111
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Russia is a thousand years old

                    It’s understandable even without you, but you’re not able to try to pile up the Monomakh’s Cap on yourself,thin neckyes and ..

                    .
                    A hat over his neck is HOW ?! belay weirder and weirder request
                    An article about what, comrade? Not a word you have about her!
                    Quote: badens1111
                    And to speculate as you, in World War II, is meanness.

                    Who are you, comrade? To teach? Give grades? fool
                    More modest, comrade modest, more modest lol
                    .
                2. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 16 November 2017 11: 15 New
                  +2
                  well, then you don’t have 70 .. yet .. so move the crown on your side so that it doesn’t hang on your ears ..
            2. jrvp79
              jrvp79 15 March 2018 23: 33 New
              +1
              Such quirks must be severely punished. Unsuitable topic for all sorts of quirks, etc. So much srach and disrespect in the comments, just disgusting.
          3. badens1111
            badens1111 15 November 2017 16: 05 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Why something, and the memories of the battles in Stalingrad above the roof, and on both sides, could choose something more substantial.

            This is not his task. He simply staked himself the first comment in his huffs, and maybe he picks up the pros.
            Yes, and it’s strange to hear from the patented anti-adviser - Russophobe, something decent for the fighters of STALINGRAD.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 16: 20 New
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              badens1111 Today, 16:05 ↑
              Yes, and it’s strange to hear from the patented anti-adviser - Russophobe, something decent for the fighters of STALINGRAD.
              Vlad, so am I about the same. Two kites, the Russophobe-anti-Soviet "Olgovich" and "verner1967" flocked to dance on the bones of the dead Soviet soldiers. The “Werner” even drove some strange, non-metallic gives. So he is drawn to ask which side his ancestors fought on. If it’s ours, then why in childhood they didn’t bring up love of the Motherland, but if it’s in German, then everything falls into place exactly.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 16 November 2017 07: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: badens1111
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Why something, and the memories of the battles in Stalingrad above the roof, and on both sides, could choose something more substantial.

              This is not his task. He simply staked himself the first comment in his huffs, and maybe he picks up the pros.
              Yes, and it’s strange to hear from the patented anti-adviser - Russophobe, something decent for the fighters of STALINGRAD.

              Comments serve to discuss the article, i.e., baden.
              Which I did, recalling Zaitsev's memoirs. What are you writing about? fool
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 15 November 2017 15: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          What do you answer to?

          However, in the pursuit of a plus sign, comrade, and you remark to him wink
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 November 2017 13: 06 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Normandy landing was bloody though

        Not really. Literally in a couple of places, but there was nothing extraordinary that the Soviet soldiers would not have seen during the crossing of the Dnieper, for example.
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Well, where are the "great" Western "historians" with their "El Alamein" or "Midway"?

        So everything is there - show off. And they say that the surrender of the Germans in Africa overshadowed the results of the battle for Stalingrad, because the Germans surrendered more than Paulus had ...
        These would be historians - yes, to Stalingrad ... but at least to today's Volgograd. I remember there was a wonderful replica of an American who specially came to Volgograd in order to get acquainted with the Battle of Stalingrad on the spot. He needed this for some reason, I don’t remember why ... I went around the city, to museums, went on an excursion, in general, I approached the matter with a soul. Well, I was imbued ... so then the attendants were tormented by vodka to solder him from the culture shock. -Firstly, he didn’t know what was going on in Stalingrad until he arrived and figured out, and secondly, it was generally a shock for him that you can fight like that. Especially he was killed about "not a step back" - that is, from the fact that our soldiers stood to death in the literal sense of the word, without retreating until they killed the last person and the Germans could go forward only through the bodies ... "Well, "it’s impossible, why they were not ordered to retreat, why didn’t they retreat themselves, since there is no order, because this is hell, well, it’s impossible!"
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 14: 08 New
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          Everything is correct Andrey. And on the other hand, how do they know about the great battles of WWII, and even more so WWII, if all their knowledge in history comes down to watching films like “Saving Private Ryan”, “Pearl Harbor” and “Inglourious Fucking *” (sorry, but that’s the name of the movie). In the eighties, the joint US-Soviet documentary "Unknown War" was shot, and so I suspect that no one has seen him in the West. Although the film does not reflect a tenth of what was actually happening with us at that time.
        2. 97110
          97110 15 November 2017 19: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Especially he was killed about "not a step back"

          Duck is an American after all. I suppose for a bag of dollars he himself would fight to the death with the whole Wehrmacht without any order. But for nothing - well, it’s not clear to Mr. ...
      4. zenion
        zenion 25 March 2018 13: 52 New
        0
        In order not to frighten some, you need to add this: the Red Army, ordinary Soviet people, in spite of Stalin defended Stalingrad. Then it will be easier for them and they will not break monitors with their heads.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2017 07: 26 New
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    The whole war in France lasted in less than one Volga plant.
    ...That says it all...
    1. 97110
      97110 15 November 2017 19: 41 New
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      That says it all

      Well, not quite everything. For the defenders of democracy in our ranks there will be a passion for how insulting it is to read that the French elite did not intend to confront Germany. They had to supply Germany as much as possible for the war with the USSR, and 38 days of resistance were needed for the alibi. A handful of DeGolly and Normandy-Nemanov who had left the hell amid this alibi gave them the right to crawl into the winners to the terrifying surprise of the Germans, who had used France as a confusion until 1945. Democracy, Duck ...
  3. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 15 November 2017 08: 30 New
    +9
    Somehow I had a chance to talk with one old man, a former German officer, after the captivity that remained in Russia. He did not like (like all real veterans) to remember the war, he only complained that the two "real warriors", a German and a Russian, could not find mutual understanding and were constantly pouring blood on each other for no apparent reason .... And Now, if they could agree ... but it is clear that someone very smart constantly quarrels between these two nations, setting them against each other, but he himself remains aloof ..
    1. misti1973
      misti1973 15 November 2017 15: 04 New
      +1
      It was a war of two fools-Stalin and Hitler! The peoples have nothing to do with it. And no one really pitted them. The USA also helped Stalin. Not for that, of course!
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 15 November 2017 16: 31 New
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        Quote: misti1973
        It was a war of two fools-Stalin and Hitler!

        USE?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 15 November 2017 16: 52 New
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          badens1111 Today, 16:31 ↑
          USE?
          Ага. yes Victim of the exam ... laughing laughing laughing
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 17 November 2017 10: 42 New
            +4
            Not a victim, miscarriage
      2. MrK
        MrK 15 November 2017 22: 03 New
        +9
        Quote: misti1973
        It was a war of two fools-Stalin and Hitler!

        He pulled a joke from the open spaces. The doctor asks: did your mother have miscarriages besides you?
  4. misti1973
    misti1973 15 November 2017 14: 59 New
    0
    The German command took a very strange approach to this operation. Why storm the city? He was practically cut off anyway. He didn’t have any strategic importance either. It was possible to restrain our troops on the outskirts and bomb, bomb, bomb. - what to take from them! And our fellows, let them crap!
  5. badens1111
    badens1111 15 November 2017 16: 08 New
    +9
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    "Well, it’s also impossible, why they were not ordered to retreat, well, why they didn’t back down, since there is no order, because this is hell, well, it’s impossible !!!

    That’s why and why, the patented anti-Soviet can’t understand. Yes, and don’t, let the crocodile tears shed about red and hairy ones.
    Not that, I mean the American, but others, who are already dancing in impatience.
  6. cedar
    cedar 15 November 2017 17: 25 New
    +8
    To return to the city its name covered with Immortal glory!
  7. Bosch
    Bosch 16 November 2017 06: 23 New
    0
    The fact that the corporal who took command of the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine, who did not have a military education and experience in warfare, played a positive role in the defeat of the 3rd Reich.
  8. Savignon
    Savignon 16 November 2017 11: 28 New
    +1
    For a long time, after reading about the battle for Stalingrad, deep hatred arises.
    This hatred is not against the Nazis, but towards those who renamed Stalingrad to some kind of Volgograd and to those who agreed with this.
    A disgrace.
  9. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 16 November 2017 17: 39 New
    +4
    One VO commentator joyfully wrote that Hitler almost took Stalingrad, that 97% of the city was occupied by the Nazis.
    This, as it were, this commentator ran into the toilet and was almost already in the toilet, 97% inside the toilet, theoretically he was already inside the toilet ...... But .....
  10. verner1967
    verner1967 16 November 2017 19: 35 New
    0
    Quote: badens1111
    To object to what, to your verbal exercises in advocating lies?

    Yes, well, tell me about ensuring the forcing of the Dnieper, it will be interesting to read.
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  12. mgero
    mgero 21 November 2017 17: 47 New
    0
    But our grandfathers were stronger and bolder than we
  13. Omsk
    Omsk 15 March 2018 16: 40 New
    0
    Quote: misti1973
    It was a war of two fools-Stalin and Hitler! The peoples have nothing to do with it. And no one really pitted them. The USA also helped Stalin. Not for that, of course!

    yes, modern education rules in full ... And then we are surprised when they cannot answer where the battle of Stalingrad took place.