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The power of the updated "Shell" will double

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In Russia, the development work on the creation of a promising anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex "Pantsir-SM" is being completed, said the general director of the holding "High-precision complexes" Alexander Denisov. He clarified that full completion is planned for 2019 year. Several prototypes of this combat system are being tested now.


Denisov also noted that the high-speed anti-aircraft guided missile designed for the upgraded Pantsir is unified and can be used in complexes of previous generations.

The power of the updated "Shell" will double


In addition, according to the general director, the combat power of the upgraded Pantyr-SM, as compared with the previous Armor-C1, will increase by one and a half to two times.

It is known from open sources that the Pantsir-SM should receive a new high-speed rocket, and the range of detection and destruction of targets will approximately double.

It is expected that Pantsir-SM will be able to "see" the target at a distance of 75 kilometers and destroy it at a distance of 40 kilometers. At "Pantsir-С1" these indicators are 40 and 20 kilometers, reports "WG-Force"
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 November 2017 16: 00
    10
    Wow! Both range and altitude ... A serious argument against any flying ...
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 13 November 2017 16: 18
      25
      And the Carapace abruptly passed from the near-missile system to the average range. If his mobility and the ability to turn around within a very short time remain at the same level - it will be something.

      At the same time, the naval version of such a complex will allow a ship (even boats) of a very modest displacement to receive air defense, which ships of the 20nd rank could not dream about 30-2 years ago.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 13 November 2017 16: 56
        +4
        Excellent system, will be upgraded repeatedly and this is good)
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 13 November 2017 17: 39
        +7
        Quote: Kurare
        And the Carapace abruptly passed from the near-missile system to the average range.

        It all depends on which missiles are put in a single complex, based on tasks and threats. It can be after modernization and the average radius and the near. And in this light, it is very good that this arsenal is universal and can be used by old complexes, as well as a numbed Shell.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 13 November 2017 17: 50
          +2
          It is necessary to additionally put a package of short-range missiles - simpler and cheaper, for all trash like UAVs. Give 24 missiles on board!
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 13 November 2017 21: 08
            +4
            For UAVs, it is necessary to teach the shell to hit the target from machine guns to save the resource of missiles.
            1. Valery Saitov
              Valery Saitov 16 November 2017 07: 03
              0
              For this, they create artificial intelligence.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 13 November 2017 21: 45
            +3
            Well, in fact, a shell rocket with radio command guidance is one of the cheapest, if not the cheapest.
        2. Kurare
          Kurare 13 November 2017 22: 29
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          And in this light, it is very good that this arsenal is universal and can be used by old complexes, as well as a numbed Shell.

          Here I’m not quite sure that it will be so, since the shells are rockets with radio command guidance. But can the "old" system direct new long-range missiles at maximum range is another question. The software can still be adapted if the original hardware is capable of this, but here the guidance radar, designed initially for shorter distances, here I am not sure.

          It is hard to imagine that the developers initially laid such a giant modernization potential, because at the time there were a lot of 20 km. Do not forget that the UAE ordered exactly this range, instead of the original 12 km.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 13 November 2017 22: 59
            +1
            By the way, how effective is radio command guidance at such a range? In my opinion, 40 km is already too much for this, maybe there is some kind of GOS there? Especially considering the curvature of the earth and the possibility of the presence of relief at such a destination ....
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 14 November 2017 00: 31
              +2
              Quote: alexmach
              By the way, how effective is radio command guidance at such a range? In my opinion, 40 km is already too much for this, maybe there is some kind of GOS there?

              For low-flying targets - of course not, here and at a distance of 15 the shell does not recognize the shell. But on high-altitude and possibly ballistic - it is quite possible. And 40 km is not such a long distance. The probability of hitting will probably be lower than 0,7, but in this case this is normal.

              And so, many medium-range air defense systems of the previous generation were equipped with radio command guidance, for example, sea-based air defense systems M11 Storm (50 km). But such multi-channel systems certainly never shone. Well, this is the fee for the relative cheapness of each missile launch.
  2. Primoos
    Primoos 13 November 2017 16: 02
    +4
    Trump little thing, this Carapace. The sky over Russia should be clear.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 13 November 2017 17: 31
      +2
      Quote: Primoos
      Trump little thing, this Carapace. The sky over Russia should be clear.

      This is a military complex, and I cover the sky over Russia with C 300, C 400.
      1. Primoos
        Primoos 13 November 2017 19: 42
        +2
        Are the shells not covering the sky? Creative! And what do they cover? The military complex can not cover? Is it only for discovery? What the ...?
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 21: 21
          +4
          Air defense will not be able to effectively protect against attacks from the air, without strong, numerous and modern air forces. Therefore, all of these S-300/400, Shell, Buki and Torahs are an addition to the Air Force, as a general complex for protecting airspace, without the Air Force, their destruction is a matter of a short period of time.
          1. Stiletto_711
            Stiletto_711 13 November 2017 21: 48
            +3
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            without the air force, their destruction is a matter of short time

            And they need to cover the airspace for a short period of time so that the Strategic Missile Forces have time to shoot hi
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 13 November 2017 21: 46
        +5
        No, on the wheeled chassis it’s still an object. And it is used now mainly as an object - to cover the very S-400
  3. Mimoprohodil
    Mimoprohodil 13 November 2017 16: 08
    +4
    There is a hypersonic meteorological rocket
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 13 November 2017 16: 21
      +3
      You can see it better
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    2. opus
      opus 13 November 2017 16: 43
      +3
      Quote: Mimoprohodil
      There is a hypersonic meteorological rocket

      there is no combat compartment, it is replaced with the instrument compartment - a container with scientific equipment and a parachute
      1. Großer feldherr
        Großer feldherr 13 November 2017 21: 24
        +1
        What can you say about the lifting height of 100km?
  4. Berber
    Berber 13 November 2017 16: 11
    +3
    As far as I know, in Algeria, Shell found 72 km of CR.
    1. opus
      opus 13 November 2017 16: 28
      +7
      Quote: BerBer
      in Algeria, Pantsir discovered the KR on 72 km.

      wassat
      Whose, when and from which positional area?
      1 Algeria

      Training operators ZRPK 96K6 "Armor-C1" in Algeria



      2.The tracking locator with a phased millimeter-wave antenna array is multifunctional. Target capture zone - 20 km in range and up to 15 km in height = for targets with 2 effective spreading area m²

      Shl.
      Radar detection with PARAM centimeter range 1PCX1-1E
      = 50 km (MiG-29 during tests at the Kapustin Yar test site)
      MIG-29 is not KR on EPR (EOP), and indeed it was not on the train at 15, but on 10, 000, m.
      Remember the curvature of the ZP:
      1. Berber
        Berber 13 November 2017 16: 33
        +5
        Thanks once again enlightened. I read about it on some site, it hit my head.
  5. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 November 2017 16: 12
    12
    With the adoption of the new Carapace for armament, the line of using weapons along the combined arms formations of our Armed Forces is further pushed aside. What can lead to the disruption of the task by the adversary, or the need to climb higher into the sky ... Then we will wait for him! Of particular interest is infa in terms of the implementation of the capabilities of "SM" on small-tonnage ships of the coastal and near sea zones ...
    A good car should be! good
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 November 2017 16: 16
    +1
    So it seems like they wanted to make the “shell” purely rocket, it seems like they didn’t arrange military guns! !! belay
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2017 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      So it seems like they wanted to make the “shell” purely rocket, it seems like they didn’t arrange military guns! !! belay

      There are options for "Shell" for any choice. Here, for example, is a purely rocket "arctic":
    2. Krabik
      Krabik 13 November 2017 21: 10
      +1
      Guns are a good thing, and gunless, there is a TOP.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 13 November 2017 21: 51
      +1
      For the Arctic - there the guns quickly deteriorate.
      There is still a problem with the accuracy of firing from guns - they say the Kamaz chassis is swinging too much when firing. But there are no solutions to this problem.
  7. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 16: 25
    +1
    in Damascus, one such test would be slowly sent .... wink surprise the Jews arrange laughing
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 November 2017 16: 28
      +1
      This is not the scale of the Shell ... maximum-knock down guided munitions or UAVs
    2. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 13 November 2017 18: 16
      +3
      I wonder what exactly the surprise will be.
      Russian air defense does not intervene in attacks and otvetki Israel. Russia also has C400 there.

      Will he assign Assad as always on credit or as a gift? It’s also a little useless, since the planes shoot at a greater distance, and in a few minutes this new Israeli shell will destroy, as it did with c200 in Syria. Because Russia does not even get a good advertising of equipment in this case wassat.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 13 November 2017 21: 11
        +2
        As the United States supplies the F-35, so we can supply Syria.
      2. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 13 November 2017 22: 35
        +3
        c200 was not destroyed, the radar was damaged, quickly restored
      3. Victor-M
        Victor-M 13 November 2017 23: 08
        +3
        Quote: Viktorfi
        and in a few minutes this brand new shell of Israel will destroy, as it did with c200 in Syria.

        Where is the evidence?
        It was not Israel that did it, but a bird, and it didn’t destroy it, but slightly damaged it.
        Not to be confused with a bird that damaged your F-35. laughing
      4. opus
        opus 14 November 2017 00: 08
        0
        Quote: Viktorfi
        Israel will destroy, as it did with the 200 in Syria.

        and the Syrians are writing
        Syria SHOOTS DOWN Israeli F-15 Over Lebanon after attack


        Some sites (for example, israeldefense) say that the battery was "destroyed" or "bombed"

        good
        each C-xnumx . In addition, for the early detection of targets, additional radars are used, for example, P-200, P-6, P-5 or P-72. The anti-aircraft missile regiment usually consists of the 2-3 division and one technical division; in the case of Syria, there appears to be anti-missile brigades with two fire and one technical division in each. Thus, to destroy even just one fire division is not easy enough.


        Peaceful Israeli fighters peacefully invaded the airspace of a neighboring independent state to peacefully photograph military installations with a peaceful reconnaissance target, from which they repeatedly peacefully shelled Syria. And they were equally peacefully exhausted by the means of air defense of Syria, for equally peaceful mischief.
      5. Felix99
        Felix99 14 November 2017 12: 22
        0
        And what is Israel fighting in Syria against Russian air defense?
    3. Stiletto_711
      Stiletto_711 13 November 2017 21: 51
      +1
      So they already delivered them to the ATS, if I am not mistaken the 2012 contract.
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  9. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 16: 44
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    This is not the scale of the Shell ... maximum-knock down guided munitions or UAVs

    That's just yesterday’s UAV pay back wink
  10. san4es
    san4es 13 November 2017 16: 45
    +5

    It is noted that the basis for the new complex will be the KAMAZ chassis of the Typhoon family and will have a reservation for the cockpit and the basic elements of crew life support.

    1. Kurare
      Kurare 13 November 2017 16: 54
      +3
      And the question price? Will it be bold?

      Although, the Shell platform, what it is now, really needs to be changed. They write that it is very unstable, the center of gravity is high.
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 13 November 2017 21: 31
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        And the question price? Will it be bold?


        Of course it's bold! After all, the question of security and protection, at least from the shooting range for Russian soldiers, is the last thing, they will interrupt, right ?! And of course, in the end, for the Russian army they will put on Kamaz the usual one, repainted in dull green, without any protection systems. But for export, the Shell will be at the Typhoon base.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 14 November 2017 00: 43
          +2
          Quote: karabas-barabas
          Of course it's bold! After all, the question of security and protection, at least from the shooting range for Russian soldiers, is the last thing, they will interrupt, right ?!

          If the shell falls under the fire of small arms, it means, to put it mildly, unsuccessfully used. Directly to the front edge there is a Tunguska on a tracked and armored chassis. And if we break, say, 100 kg of a bomb from an airplane, Typhoon’s armor is unlikely to survive.
          1. uav80
            uav80 14 November 2017 07: 35
            0
            The chassis of the GM-5970.05 with bulletproof armor, it is not much more protected than the same "Typhoon", and according to mine testimonies it will be even better ...
          2. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 17 November 2017 01: 45
            0
            Situations can be different, sabotage groups, ambushes, snipers. Anyway, according to all the military equipment that is involved in the database, starting with logistics, the supply of ammunition, should protect the crews from shelling with rifle and fragments. Remember how the guys on Grozny hanging hung on the door of the armored car.
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 13 November 2017 16: 55
      +7
      Hello namesake hi
      1. san4es
        san4es 13 November 2017 17: 02
        +7
        ... Hi San wink ..Rocket has become 24 fellow -fine
        ... here's the SM on assembly
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 13 November 2017 17: 08
          +3
          In Syria, experienced good armor good
          1. Viktorfi
            Viktorfi 13 November 2017 18: 26
            +1
            In words, of course, but the facts represented zero. No debris or anything else.
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 13 November 2017 19: 44
              +6
              Google banned laughing
            2. shans2
              shans2 13 November 2017 19: 45
              +1
              why is Iranian recently brought down from the words of Israel, there are also no debris, strange, huh?)
            3. Locksmith
              Locksmith 13 November 2017 20: 12
              +2
              Quote: Viktorfi
              In words, of course, but the facts represented zero. No debris or anything else.

              Are you ready to imagine a crow? laughing
            4. Victor-M
              Victor-M 13 November 2017 23: 11
              0
              Quote: Viktorfi
              In words, of course, but the facts represented zero. No debris or anything else.

              And we don’t have to prove anything to anyone, people are slowly working. laughing
              You also did not imagine the plumage of a bird that damaged your F-35, so to speak, so to speak. laughing
    3. Alexander War
      Alexander War 13 November 2017 16: 59
      +2
      Ukrainian drone spy penetrated the territory of Russia. Radar equipment recorded a Ukrainian drone on November 12 in the Bryansk region. Https: //ria.ru/radio_brief/20171113/15087
      11826.html
    4. Alexander War
      Alexander War 13 November 2017 17: 22
      +2
      Did not watch?
  11. DPN
    DPN 13 November 2017 17: 32
    0
    Very good, it means that not all Russian scientists have hit the ground in the silicone valley, there are PATRIOTS and experts in their field GLORY TO THEM. !!
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 November 2017 18: 20
    +2
    Here is a picture of Shell-SM. We see that the radar is new.
    But the missiles are the same in size. A little short, perhaps,
    to reach on 40 km with such a small diameter recourse .
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 November 2017 20: 49
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But the missiles are the same in size. A little short, perhaps,
      to reach on 40 km with such a small diameter

      Maybe our chemists invented a new mixed metallized TT ... Or can you not allow this? laughing
      1. opus
        opus 13 November 2017 21: 27
        +4
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Maybe our chemists have a new mixed metallized TT invented

        or reduced the weight of the hull - containers (electronics, gyroscopes, steering cars, etc., etc.)

        Of course, the fuel was not invented, but the solid propellant solid propellant rocket fuel could be added to the marching stage of the rocket by increasing its diameter to the starting stage

        There are still small-sized missiles against UAV should be: 4 pieces in the package
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 November 2017 21: 56
          +1
          and the waters could add solid propellant rocket rocket to the rocket march stage, increasing its diameter to the launch stage

          This is the most likely way. Plus they talked about a faster rocket and that it was not effective to control the turning of aerodynamic rudders at high speeds — control nozzles were needed.
  13. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 18: 26
    +1
    Quote: Viktorfi
    and in a few minutes this brand new shell of Israel will destroy

    10 min enough change position wink
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 13 November 2017 18: 32
      0
      This will not help, since the satellites constantly monitor the territory of Syria, especially at the time of the air strikes to record the results, etc.
      1. dvvv
        dvvv 13 November 2017 20: 16
        +2
        I don’t know if satellites can see Syria online? Is there enough of such devices over Syria to constantly monitor and give out information to the Air Force so that they can immediately crush such mobile systems as the Shell? If so, what I’m not sure about, although Amer’s companions can be regarded as Jewish. then you need to think about the jamming of these satellites. But on the whole I agree that with the most modern weapons and aviation and very good UAVs, as well as with unlimited US support, Jews will be able to suppress several air defense systems no matter how good they are.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 13 November 2017 21: 21
          +1
          Israel can generally suppress all air defense, if you endure while they bomb the complexes.

          Satellites fly very quickly over Syria, even that bunch of amers cannot constantly record events, for this they made the drones hawk, newt and a bunch of drones easier.

          How many satellites from Israel can you compare with the number of satellites from Angola or Honduras;)

          They are unlikely to interfere with satellites because ours, too, can put a lot of things.
      2. opus
        opus 13 November 2017 22: 49
        +2
        Quote: Viktorfi
        This will not help, as the satellites constantly monitor the territory of Syria.

        belay wassat
        Here it is from 31 January 2016, a satellite image of Hmeimim airbase

        Show me from 30.01.2016?
        Quote: Viktorfi
        especially at the time of aircraft strikes to record the results and so on.

        Yes Yes Yes.

        It still hangs (slowing down with 7,92 -7,98 km / s ^ 2) over Syria and waits hovering


        Quote: dvvv
        I do not know if satellites can see Syria online?

        This is bullshit. There is no such thing even over the Russian Federation and (or over the US), over Papua Guinea, either
  14. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 18: 27
    0
    Quote: Viktorfi
    Russian air defense does not intervene in attacks and otvetki Israel.

    but israil knocks down Russian UAVs am
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 13 November 2017 18: 35
      0
      Something I don’t remember Russia complaining what
  15. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 18: 28
    +4
    Quote: Viktorfi
    how did it with c200 in syria

    with -200 not destroyed - this has already been discussed on Google to help tongue
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 13 November 2017 18: 41
      0
      Oh sorry, damaged C200.
      However, the C200 rocket was launched on an Israeli plane rather from the desire to at least do something so as not to look really bad. Shoot down her plane of Israel is funny lol.
      1. q75agent
        q75agent 13 November 2017 19: 06
        +1
        you can start whining with the warrior for moderators wink outlive bully
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 13 November 2017 21: 45
        +4
        Quote: Viktorfi
        Oh sorry, damaged C200.
        However, the C200 rocket was launched on an Israeli plane rather from the desire to at least do something so as not to look really bad. Shoot down her plane of Israel is funny lol.

        but some kind of "ordinary bird" disabled your plane !!! wink yes lol lol lol
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 November 2017 18: 41
      0
      Left without a radar and a control car, but these are trifles.
      Most importantly, the rockets are safe! wink
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 13 November 2017 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Left without a radar and a control car, but these are trifles.

        Well, not the might of Vi and right. But with such damage, the division cannot be brought into full BG in 2 hours. Most likely, the Americans bombed microwave ovens in Serbia (and got invisible missiles, for example) and poked cables. Just the transportation and re-arrangement of cables plus testing will take these 2 hours. Replacing the antennas will take at least 6 hours.
      2. dvvv
        dvvv 13 November 2017 20: 19
        +5
        guys, enough cheeks to puff out that your Air Force was able to suppress the antique and stationary complex S-200 and even not fully equipped with such cool operators as Arabs. It’s even embarrassing to be proud of
        1. Victor-M
          Victor-M 13 November 2017 23: 16
          +1
          Quote: dvvv
          guys, enough cheeks to puff out that your Air Force was able to suppress the antique and stationary complex S-200 and even not fully equipped with such cool operators as Arabs. It’s even embarrassing to be proud of

          C'mon, let them amuse themselves, no matter what the child is amusing, if only he would not masturbate. laughing
  16. q75agent
    q75agent 13 November 2017 19: 05
    +3
    Quote: Viktorfi
    However, the C200 rocket was launched on an Israeli plane rather from the desire to at least do something so as not to look really bad. Shoot down her plane of Israel is ridiculous.

    the AAR and long-range air defense are not up to you now, they really are outdated, I would arrange ambushes in your territory, a sabotage and mine war ..... for every shelling of the territory of a sovereign state am then it will reach you that
  17. utyutkin
    utyutkin 13 November 2017 19: 51
    0
    why is it not entirely clear why do we need a complex of medium radius? it's generally some kind of dregs. there is 350 why it is asked to remodel the shell under the average radius. it would be better if they made a reliable complex of small radius. such that it could simultaneously fire in motion and in place up to 4 targets from different angles. so that the response time is minimal. that would take 16. missiles into the carcass. that would normally be seen in decimeter. yes and it is advisable to make a rocket with an active homing head. and a radar with an aperture synthesized so that the signals are noise-like. in general, there is more mathematics and better noise suppression, and it's time to set up photon radars. in general, that the rocket has become faster it’s good, but the fact that it began to radiate further is not good. further radiates it further and can be detected. and a rheostat with a radar in the kit would still. and pills for greed and more more :)
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 13 November 2017 21: 27
      0
      It is of small radius, and then for trade over a hill, the TORs will set their own.
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 13 November 2017 22: 03
    +1
    Wow, it’s already like the “Volkhlov” and guns in addition, and on the same chassis all together! Krutyak will be air defense, the main thing is that more specialists strong on this technique work and train.
  19. Beby
    Beby 13 November 2017 22: 04
    +2
    In the photo for the news there is an antique (CRT) monitor.
    Maybe someone knows why such a low-tech (for non-sterile workshop) unit (monitor) is used near the "Shell"?

    PS It’s not easy to drag him, and he beats amazingly in the workshop, and with all the filth from the workshop he gets in very vigorously inside ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2017 22: 47
      +2
      Because as a photograph of 2006.