Ursula von der Lyayen: we are taking another step towards the creation of a European army

The EU defensive union is a step towards creating a common army, but it has an additional character in relation to NATO, which unites countries and alliances, the German Defense Minister Ursula von der Lyayen told reporters in Brussels.

Today is a special day for Europe, today we are officially creating a defensive and military alliance of the EU ... This is a special day, it marks one more step towards the creation of a European army

- said Lyayen, adding that "the European defensive alliance has an additional character in relation to NATO" - while the North Atlantic Alliance remains "a representation of countries and unions," the EU defense department "will deal with a variety of topics that Europe must answer."

On Monday, more than 20 EU countries will hand over to the head of EU diplomacy and the EU Council an official letter of intent to embark on a permanent structured defense cooperation (PESCO). This cooperation will allow EU member states to unite efforts in working on various defense projects that can receive funding from the European Defense Fund being set up by the European Union, reports RIA News

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[Grandfather]

Ursula von der Lyayen: we are taking another step towards the creation of a European army

surrealism ... gynecologist, creates a geyarmiya.

[Partyzan]

follow the path of the great Roman empire, do not learn history

[Going]

Dancing on the rake, and the USA will only allow creating amusing troops.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Going

Dancing on the rake, and the USA will only allow creating amusing troops.

these are not funny troops, funny ones were with us

[Warrior with machine gun]

to the Roman Empire, like Beijing to the cancer pose, given the moral criteria of this army (the army of pedro-mutants), the tailwind to the humpbacked back, and not by steps, but by run, and in reality this is a poorly implemented project for many economic, political and ethnic criteria.

[Partyzan]

The Roman Empire was also multinational, but the key word is was

[Sergej1972]

But not the fact that most modern European states will last as long as the Roman Empire, and then Byzantium.

[Warrior with machine gun]

They took it straight from the tongue, we can only add that the Eurostad is much younger than Rome, and the problems are like those of an old man))

[Monos]

In NATO, all officials already lack places. It is necessary to create new working meta for retired generals.

[Going]

Yes, they are already opening additional headquarters and command posts.

[Solomon Kane]

Let him read a book at his leisure, and then he will talk about the euro army ...

[Partyzan]

they themselves will reflect on this, and maybe they will write another masterpiece

[Solomon Kane]

they themselves will reflect

Looks like Volodya, this function atrophied completely .......

[Partyzan]

Quote: Solomon Kane

they themselves will reflect

Looks like Volodya, this function atrophied completely .......

will have to see restore Kostya

[Logall]

Quote: Solomon Kane

they themselves will reflect

Looks like Volodya, this function atrophied completely .......

As unnecessary! Evolution...
Kostya

[Solomon Kane]

Mutually, Alexander!

[73bor]

Does she still practice as a doctor? Just interested! What can a medical specialist know about military construction? As history shows, no super-team will defeat a national team motivated to win!

[Sergey53]

So your army should now be called, probably, not NATO and European? What’s the point? Throw the Americans out?

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Sergey53

Throw the Americans out?

What the hell is not joking ... Now, right now, how the Germans will score the notorious Chancellor Act and rush to cost the next Reich. Fourth in a row.

[arane]

The combined army will always fight worse than the national. This is an axiom. Let them create the Euroarmia and abolish their own!

[Solomon Kane]

The combined army will always fight worse than the national.

In the course of the effects of menopause - the pimp atrophied completely .....

[Dimachrus]

She is specially photographed like this (shows the size) or ....? )))))

[enmesher]

I agree. Napoleon as an example ...

[Herculesic]

Germany is likely to create the world's first genecological division, under the command of Ursula, it is fashionable in Europe to implement the most fantastic ideas now, such as accepting any country in NATO, even if there is a civil war, and this teething is simply the personal guard of the Minister of Genecologist. ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Herkulesich

the most fantastic ideas

I would not be so categorical about the fantastic.
The EU began with the “Schumann Declaration”, the European army can begin with the Franco-German brigade in Mulheim

[Sergej1972]

Come on, the German Minister of Defense is under German law and cannot be appointed from among the existing military. This is a political, civilian position, as in other Western European countries. He does not direct troops directly.

[ul_vitalii]

Her name is beautiful, and the rest is so-so.

[AlexanderVP]

One can only hope that the EU’s own army is the first step towards real independence from the United States.

[Setrac]

Quote: AlexanderVP

One can only hope that the EU’s own army is the first step towards real independence from the United States.

Why should we hope so? Would you like to fight with the Fourth Reich? Let them sit under American occupation and do not rock the boat, along with the Japanese.

[Lopatov]

A cat from home - a mouse to a dance ...
The main vehicles of US interests in the EU. the British, marching together on the way out. And new ones like Poland do not have enough weight to stifle the idea of ​​the Eurowehrmacht in the bud.
And she, it turns out, is also an agent of Putin 8)))

[Berber]

The next step to separation from NATO and the United States, respectively.

[Going]

But who will allow them.

[Kurare]

After the arrival of the “unloved” Trump and Brexit, the mainland Europeans had their hands untied to create something like a purely European military structure. Prior to this, all the innovations were cut off by England. Now, countries like Poland or the Baltic states do not have the weight and value to insert sticks into the wheels.

But the most important thing in these intentions is not even the “European troops”, but the harmonization of the European military-industrial complex. The heterogeneity of weapons types on the continent is huge and the Americans are certainly the main culprits in this. Now, 23 countries have signed a memorandum of cooperation. The document itself, of course, does not mean much, in the past a lot of such memorandums were signed, but a short trip to life was received. But the fact that even neutral Austria signed it is already interesting.

So, this document has more economic and political interests, less military-structural ones. In my opinion, the States will not let these intentions go, too fat piece of cake for the military-industrial complex may float away.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Kurare

In my opinion, the States will not let these intentions go, too fat piece of cake for the military-industrial complex may float away.

Europe purchases relatively few weapons from the United States. Most European armies are armed with products from the European military-industrial complex.

[Kurare]

Quote: Town Hall

Europe purchases relatively few weapons from the United States. Most European armies are armed with products from the European military-industrial complex.

Let's see together (this is only from memory)
Air Force: Holland, Belgium, Spain, Poland, Greece, Norway, Denmark, and partially Italy fly to American factories.
Air Defense: Patriot in the same Germany, Holland, etc.
Navy: Aegis systems on many ships, Harpoons, Tomahawks, GTU

And this is all tens of billions of Euros!

But I had not only the States as a competitor in mind, but also competition in the European arms market itself. For example, see how many different MBTs are produced in Europe. Just big players want to crush it all for themselves.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Kurare

Let's see together (this is only from memory)

Come on. Also from memory.

The air forces of the main EU countries (Italy, France, Germany, England) are the European Rafali, Tornado and Eurofighter. The purchase of some F-35 countries is yes, the first such a major breakthrough. Transport, yes, a lot of Hercules. And many more countries use Chinook .

Navy-entirely European products. Tanks, too.

From the American you can find self-propelled guns from the same Italy.

Shooting range is European. Radars and electronics are mainly European. Air defense is also mainly. Except for Patriots in some countries.


They buy American and mostly used new EU members. Eastern Europe-Poland, Romania, etc. And the main countries that make up the military-industrial complex are very little American.

And do not forget that the Americans also buy in Europe.

[Kurare]

Quote: Town Hall

the purchase by some countries of the F-35 is yes, the first such a major breakthrough.

Before that, Germany flew Starfighter and Phantoms. Belgium, Greece, Holland, etc. is the F-16. Spain is the F18 and the American type of Harrier. So, the F-35 is far from the first-born and not a breakthrough.

Quote: Town Hall

Navy-entirely European products. Tanks, too.

Ships (i.e. iron) are European, but weapons (the same Harpoons) are often American. Do not forget about communication and control systems, as well as propulsion systems. I really like the Spanish frigates like Álvaro de Bazán, but the filling in them is American. And this is the lion's share of the cost of the ship.

European tanks - that's right. Now calculate the cost of the same Patriot division and how many tanks you need to order to balance. And missiles for Patriot in approx. $ 1 million?

Quote: Town Hall

They buy American and mostly used new EU members. Eastern Europe-Poland, Romania, etc. And the main countries that make up the military-industrial complex are very little American.

I agree. But the States probably earn as much on parts and training as on the sale of new ones. Buying old does not always mean saving.

Quote: Town Hall

And do not forget that the Americans also buy in Europe.

I agree too. But they only buy what they themselves do not have. Just all the money is not enough. In addition, many such projects then develop into cooperation, i.e. become partly an American product.

[Berber]

The main beneficiaries of this project are countries with the most developed industry. Accordingly, Germany and France. That is, the heterogeneity of Europe will again come out. Sticks in wheels will be put by the so-called Young Europeans. For me, an independent Europe is beneficial for Russia.

[Kurare]

Quote: BerBer

Sticks in wheels will be put by the so-called Young Europeans.

That's right, but there is one BUT: no one will listen to them this time. This "club" will be created on a free basis: do not like it - go away! Do you want to buy weapons and even from the Chinese - your problems, just don’t cry later that the equipment does not fit the standards.

Beneficiaries will be, as you rightly pointed out, Germany and France, but also Holland, Italy and Spain. The main thing is that the money will remain in Europe, and not sail overseas.

[Setrac]

Quote: BerBer

For me, an independent Europe is beneficial for Russia.

What is it?

[Berber]

It is easier to negotiate directly, bypassing intermediaries in the person of the United States. Russia and the EU have more mutual interests, especially since we are on the same continent.

[Setrac]

Quote: BerBer

Russia and the EU have more mutual interests, especially since we are on the same continent.

And even more mutual contradictions. That's exactly what we are on the same continent - it’s convenient to fight with each other.

[Berber]

Yes, they do not want to fight! As Zadornov said in power, traders. Look everywhere for money and influence. Europe wants an independent policy. In fact, they are self-sufficient (with our help), and the United States everywhere wants a gesheft. For you to understand me correctly our help - energy and resources.

[Setrac]

Quote: BerBer

Yes, they do not want to fight!

Are you kidding me? Just as they want, and they will be.

Quote: BerBer

As Zadornov said in power, traders.

The fool’s erroneous opinion doesn’t bother me much. The question is - why did Zadorn mislead us?

Quote: BerBer

Europe wants an independent policy.

Yes, someone doubted? They themselves want to be the mother country, not a colony of the Americans.

[Berber]

You pour slogans, where is the logic? Without argument, your words are about nothing.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kurare

In my opinion, the States will not let these intentions go, too fat piece of cake for the military-industrial complex may float away.

Under this topic, the United States is trying to split Europe into additional headstock, rather than creating yet another rival to NATO. This idea will fall at the coordination level, and the budget will already be designated

[Kurare]

Quote: APASUS

Under this topic, the US is trying to split Europe into additional money

The fact of the matter is that they do not try, but milk, and for a long time!

[Mikhail Zubkov]

The Germans clearly intend to quietly create a Euroarmy without blatant Saxons, with Aryan command and dimination, in defiance of the American and Atlantic NATO. But while brains are powdering it with "complementarity and parallelism." So it’s time for us to pinpoint the start of the process of de-Atlantisation of military processes in Western Continental Europe.

[enmesher]

It seems to me that this whole palette is designed to pacify Trump's views on NATO's GDP tax. We, like, can protect ourselves. I think there is no other reason.

[Sergej1972]

How can they dominate if their army is much weaker than the French? And they, unlike France, have neither nuclear weapons, nor the ocean fleet, nor nuclear submarines, nor strategic and tactical bombing aircraft? And Germany does not produce many types of weapons and cannot, by definition, produce? Unlike France, which can produce almost all types of weapons. And the Germans themselves, both politicians and ordinary citizens, for the most part do not differ in their particular militancy.

[Skay]

The Yankees are trying to once again drang tries to blind. Nato is not suitable for this. There the Yankees will have to fight. Otherwise, vassals do not understand. And to collect another European herd and send it to the East is in their spirit.

[rocket757]

Something I can not believe that with such a minister succeed. something like the Wehrmacht and they will again be able to arrange anschluss ???

[Eurodav]

Damn, for sure, in every photo she shows with her hands what she was thinking about when she climbed into Moscow !!!

[Vadim237]

They have an army of illegal immigrants there, soon they will be spurred into the Euro-Ass.

[stolz]

Ursula von der Lyayen: we are taking another step towards the creation of a European army

Sorry for her, unhappy woman, but what the hell is thinking, does a normal woman really need an army?

[Sands Careers General]

Inflate the cadres, their own army, NATO, and also PESKO. They obviously have nowhere to put money. What about coordination? They will drown in bureaucracy.

[Ingvar0401]

How did you hear that the Americans, most likely, will not protect them in case of any conflict, attended to their protection

[rocket757]

What difference does it make now, this is not that steep Europe of great kings and emperors, great scientists and industrialists, poets and artists, and further along the waves of memory ...
Pere .... the reconquest warriors do it ... there is, after all, why, and they themselves have lost the great spirit of their glorious ancestors ... and here the complete scribe creeps ...

[Berber]

Every state, even the smallest, has an army, but this is not an indication that it is for attack. The fact that the EU is building its army is not an act of aggression, but only the formation of an independent policy.
In Ukraine, the ears of the US State Department stick out primarily, and Germany, in the person of top officials (not the people), supports sanctions (very controversial) and rhetoric (which is already changing).
Libya was bombed with the unequivocal support of the United States. All European politics is a vassal policy, if we tear Europe away from the USA it will be easier.
By the way, it’s more convenient to fight with us over the ocean and, moreover, with the wrong hands. Our land army is far superior to the army of Europe, so they definitely do not want to fight with us in any situation.

This is your idiotic, stupid slogans about good Europeans who dream of living in friendship with Russians, take off your pink glasses, they don’t suit you.[i] [/ i]

But this is an insult and I apologize.

[rocket757]

Of course, the Geyropa is not so kind and peaceful, they simply “softened”, lived too hearty ... as if under a Yankee umbrella, in fact like that cowboy Johnny that nobody needs, at least in the possibility and desire for conquest!
Now she was cheered up pretty and she zababashalsya, only in my opinion strained in the wrong direction!
In short, let's see what happens ... not long left.

[Berber]

I absolutely agree with you. But I must say the probability of attack is minimal (they’re not),

[Setrac]

Quote: BerBer

But I must say the probability of attack is minimal (they’re not),

And after such words should I apologize? You are substituting our country for a new forty-first! The enemy of the people - to shoot!
The probability of an attack is maximized if it weren’t for nuclear weapons - the Third World War would be in full swing.

Quote: BerBer

(they are not

They are yes ....... that censorship cut out there.

[Berber]

From empty to empty. Balabol.

[Setrac]

Quote: BerBer

Balabol

So I apologized.
lobalab

[rocket757]

By the way, now very interesting processes can begin ... grandmother Merkel as if in flight and the fate of gene dohtur Ursula, too, is in question!
And then, hto, will become the head of the Bunstver? Do they still have brave warriors who have not forgotten the covenants of their ancestors?
In short, it’s very interesting to see ... and yes you expect better, but get ready for ....?

[Sergej1972]

The minister will be another politician, a civilian, a representative of one of the parties in the ruling coalition.

[rocket757]

The politician at the head of the armed forces at ... this didn’t bring anyone to good, I mean the army. However, the civilian might can have a real Prussian spirit ... although it is doubtful where he will survive in the geyropa.
However, this is a foreign army, they like under the supervision of the Yankees, so be it.
It suits me, under the supervision / supervision, no army is developing normally \ functioning.