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Photo "Object 477" - the main secrets of the Soviet tank construction

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Images appeared on the Internet of the main secret of Soviet tank construction - the main combat tank "Object 477", which was developed in Kharkov in the late 1980s, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Photo "Object 477" - the main secrets of the Soviet tank construction


It is reported that the 57-ton combat vehicle was armed with an 152-mm cannon. It was supposed to install an engine with power in 1500 hp. However, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kharkiv citizens failed to bring the car to the mind of the new generation.

“Everything was raw and did not work well. The engine could not exceed the 1200-strong line of power. After the collapse of the USSR, in cooperation with Russia, new attempts were made to bring the car to mind. There were very interesting upgrades. But in the end, Russia decided to make its own car of a new generation, ”writes the author of the material Lev Romanov.



For a while, the work at the Kharkov factory went by inertia, but soon it stopped altogether.

Currently, this equipment is in a rusting state, somewhere on the landfill near Kharkov.
Photos used:
Archives of Alexei Hlopotova
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  1. Sergey53
    Sergey53 13 November 2017 12: 46
    +5
    If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings. SATAN WANTED TO SELL.
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 13 November 2017 12: 50
      +7
      remember they remember, they are looking for someone to sell nedotank
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 13 November 2017 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sergey53
      If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings.

      As far as I remember, the RD-180 also left with the drawings, as production was to be organized in the United States, but ...
      The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 13 November 2017 13: 42
        +2
        .
        However, Kharkiv did not succeed in bringing to mind the new generation car before the collapse of the Soviet Union.
        Now I think, thank God ...
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 13 November 2017 13: 57
        +5
        Quote: ImPerts
        The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.

        just everything according to the laws of the Jankers was done (customized) ...
        "Dys" on the site an article about him was .... and in the "net" is full of normal (competent) articles about this topic.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 13 November 2017 18: 30
          +1
          Quote: Deadush
          just the same, everything was done according to the laws of the Jankers

          The fact of the matter is that production should have been organized in the United States, but the test specimens did not reach the required parameters. Therefore, the Americans had to create a joint venture with production in Russia, and this was already a violation of their own rules.
          About it, too, is on the Internet drinks
      3. Sergey53
        Sergey53 13 November 2017 16: 42
        +1
        To make them you need brains. And with their training system, even after their university, only psaki are obtained.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 13 November 2017 19: 21
          0
          Quote: Sergey53
          need brains.

          Here you need to make a hand.
          Brains and blueprints bought, but "Uncle Vasya" how to buy? He for this can and redeem ...
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 13 November 2017 19: 21
          +2
          Now, after the current universities and academies, we also have not very well-trained engineering personnel. I sometimes make fun of particularly honored ones. I’ll ask about the Gay-Lussac law, the Carnot cycle or the Lorentz force. In response, only smiles. And what to expect after the exam and the test system in universities. And here it’s interesting - I myself graduated from school 38 years ago and then we thoroughly studied it.
      4. Victor Dubovitsky
        Victor Dubovitsky 13 November 2017 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: ImPerts
        Quote: Sergey53
        If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings.

        As far as I remember, the RD-180 also left with the drawings, as production was to be organized in the United States, but ...
        The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.

        You're wrong.
        RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm. The fact is that in the United States there is a law prohibiting the use of foreign equipment in the main areas of science and technology. Drawings made according to the standards of the USSR-Russia, in Russian, using Russian materials, Gost, test methods, stands, equipment, machines. absolutely not needed by the Americans themselves. For delving into someone else's is much more difficult than doing your own.
        For reference, the weight of the technical documentation for the SU-27 airplane in one copy is equal to the weight of the airplane itself. Here, perhaps, the matter is even more sad.
        Moreover, in the technical documentation, of course, there are references to the requirements and the fulfillment of the requirements of top-secret techniques and instructions. What do you think, our will pass it all? Of course, they were not given a set of working documentation, but a set of operational documentation. And this is a completely different matter.
        These pieces of iron were made at Russian-made facilities, formally called "joint" with the Americans.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 14 November 2017 10: 43
          0
          Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
          RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

          About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
          RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
          Lord, so much has been written about this ...
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 14 November 2017 12: 31
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
            RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

            About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
            RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
            Lord, so much has been written about this ...

            RD Amross is a Russian-American joint venture that brings together NPO Energomash and the American company Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne. The first is engaged in the production of RD-180 engines, and the second supplies them to ULA for their Atlas launch vehicle.

            So if one is correct, then the second should be correct. If someone else’s is forbidden, the appearance of his own is necessary.
            What's wrong?
          2. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 14 November 2017 12: 55
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
            RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

            About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
            RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
            Lord, so much has been written about this ...

            I will add, the essential is missed.
            So the body kit dictates the content and design of the engine. or vice versa?
            Like the joke "First we bought a crib, now we’re thinking how to buy a cow." Metric standards of Russia and the inch of the United States. Docking elements based on which system? The nomenclature of finished products used on the RD-170, and transferred to the RD-180. Specially to master this "dodger" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours? Maybe replace it with someone else's, without testing (with additional tests) and take risks .....?
            Yes, you, brother, have never crossed the threshold of a design bureau.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 15 November 2017 07: 13
              0
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              What's wrong?

              First:
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

              Second:
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              never crossed the threshold of KB.

              He crossed, and more than once, though not missile, they only visited the factory.
              Thirdly
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              to master this "dummy" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours?

              Somehow you immediately and sharply forgot about the legislation of the USA, and it was precisely because of it that such a production cycle developed.
              Although this is not entirely accurate, what are you doing the Yankees by kindness of soul did this? RD-180 has such logistics solely because the most “high-tech" power in the world was unable to manufacture RD-180 "iron" despite the presence of FULL documentation, both design and technological ...
              IMMEDIATELY wanted to have absolutely only their production, but ...
              Quote: Cynic
              Lord, so much has been written about this ...
              1. Victor Dubovitsky
                Victor Dubovitsky 15 November 2017 11: 23
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                What's wrong?

                First:
                Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

                Second:
                Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                never crossed the threshold of KB.

                He crossed, and more than once, though not missile, they only visited the factory.
                Thirdly
                Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                to master this "dummy" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours?

                Somehow you immediately and sharply forgot about the legislation of the USA, and it was precisely because of it that such a production cycle developed.
                Although this is not entirely accurate, what are you doing the Yankees by kindness of soul did this? RD-180 has such logistics solely because the most “high-tech" power in the world was unable to manufacture RD-180 "iron" despite the presence of FULL documentation, both design and technological ...
                IMMEDIATELY wanted to have absolutely only their production, but ...
                Quote: Cynic
                Lord, so much has been written about this ...

                I read it three times. Understood nothing. (of course, I agree with my statements), and your inserts do not reach the point of consciousness. What did you want to say?
                What crossed the threshold, but not KB, and not rocket? Well, for the word "Lord," my ancestors-Ural Cossacks would have poured you a hrapnik on the square. Deciding to punish immediately.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 15 November 2017 12: 50
                  0
                  Are you foolish?
                  So false cronyism is not your profile, that those others have never tried to be clever.
                  Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                  my ancestors, the Ural Cossacks would have poured you arapnik on the square

                  So I understand you are invoking your ancestors? Well, well, you yourself are hot, for a false call, do not be afraid to try it?
                  Yes,
                  A smart Cossack will not go to Urman, but a stupid and not sorry ...
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 15 November 2017 12: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                  I agree with my statements)

                  Now it’s clear to me that for you OJSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day company.
                  Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                  RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.
                  1. Victor Dubovitsky
                    Victor Dubovitsky 15 November 2017 14: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Cynic
                    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                    I agree with my statements)

                    Now it’s clear to me that for you OJSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day company.
                    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                    RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

                    I propose holding two tons of design and technological documentation in English in my hand. in the drawings and technological instructions which contain the requirements set forth in other people's, American standards, which you do not have.
                    For example, which is most certainly, there are documents RD-180. Since the document is not secret, I have the right to pronounce its name. For instance:
                    Item 45 in assembly drawing 11111111111.
                    "Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.
                    Without this NG0 you cannot imagine what to do. Find and receive a document. And not just typographically published and translated into English (notarized, otherwise it does not have legal force in the United States), but also put on the account. What it is, it means that this particular instance is registered in the research institute, which developed it and issued an obligation to COMMUNICATE ALL changes. For reference, about 20 thousand state standards and about 300 thousand departmental were registered in the USSR. In the CD and TD on the RD-180 there are links to thousands, if not tens of thousands of standards of all levels.
                    And the last one. You will not understand a damn thing in American TD. This is a journalistic message that drawing is a universal language of communication. In the same way as they do not understand a damn thing in ours. The simplest example. Our projections on the drawing are depicted when turning over, as if he had stumbled, and they have when slipping. That is, the lateral ones are shown on the opposite side than we show. It takes a long time to get used to it. I am convinced that there will be many errors, especially at the beginning.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 16 November 2017 09: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                      "Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.

                      Nope.
                      Assembly TPs were written by us as the oldest and, consider, an experienced technologist.
                      And then, even after a dozen years, there were unreflected nuances ...
                      "Lucky" to participate in the introduction of a new "Product" ...
                      My metalworking.
                      1. Victor Dubovitsky
                        Victor Dubovitsky 16 November 2017 12: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
                        "Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.

                        Nope.
                        Assembly TPs were written by us as the oldest and, consider, an experienced technologist.
                        And then, even after a dozen years, there were unreflected nuances ...
                        "Lucky" to participate in the introduction of a new "Product" ...
                        My metalworking.

                        I see you are a technologist. Great. Do you write your TPs based on the knowledge of your equipment? And you know how to set processing modes, knowing the properties of the material of the part, the properties of the tool and other things ....? Then what can an American write, looking at the Thursday made in Russian, with links, THE CHAIN ​​TO BE OPENED more and more like a snowball of growing papers as they receive the same NG0, furthermore, what the very NG0 refer to, etc.
                        Only in the manufacture of nuts the link chain breaks pretty soon. But the nut cannot be pulled out.
                        After all, I describe all this with the aim of proving that the American dog never lied in the manufacturing process of the RD-180. The sticker at the entrance to the company with American participation is only tinsel, to circumvent American laws. Their participation there is only their grandmother. And we did very well, selling a well-run project as a new development. We sometimes did this at our company.
  2. Andrey K
    Andrey K 13 November 2017 12: 46
    +5
    The essence of the article
    Photo "Object 477" - the main secrets of the Soviet tank construction

    Unnecessary confirmation of the saying of our brothers: "And I myself" will not ", and I will not give it to another" ...
    They worked out at the Union together with the Kharkovites, then the Kharkovites decided to promote themselves, as a result, they discovered this development somewhere in the junkyard of history ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 13 November 2017 13: 24
      +2
      Quote: Andrey K
      Unnecessary confirmation of the saying of our brothers: "And I myself" will not ", and I will not give it to another" ...

      The fact is, how it all began well ...
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 13 November 2017 13: 59
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        The fact is, how it all began well ...

        so what's so good about it?
        they are still trying to collect on the basis of 64-ki. request
        1. svp67
          svp67 13 November 2017 14: 12
          0
          Quote: Deadush
          they are still trying to collect on the basis of 64-ki.

          What are they trying to collect at this base? Specify
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 13 November 2017 15: 39
            +4
            Bulat
            and other craft based on T-80 "Hold"
            1. svp67
              svp67 13 November 2017 15: 44
              0
              Quote: Deadush
              Bulat
              and other craft based on T-80 "Hold"

              Both that and that, today very decent tanks, are not almost worse than our T-72B3 and T-90A
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 13 November 2017 16: 26
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                Both that and that, today very decent tanks,

                decent for what? and for what time?
                the stuffing is old from the times of the USSR picked out from other machines.
                for the exhibition it’s possible they’ll put something worthwhile ... in a single copy.
                You this (that decent) tell to whom they put their miracle-arm.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 13 November 2017 16: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Deadush
                  You this (that decent) tell to whom they put their miracle-arm.

                  Everything is much simpler here. Since the "Bulat" was not delivered anywhere, and the "Bastions" only in Thailand.
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck 13 November 2017 16: 45
                    +4
                    Duc, no difference.
                    Although the tanks were good at the time (and the T-80 is not bad now), but it was not done at the level.
                    And for exhibitions everyone knows how to do, Psheki also blinded their "wunderwaffe ..." from plastic. request
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 13 November 2017 19: 34
                0
                Quote: svp67
                almost worse than ours

                And how much is this? As in that saying: Go another 2 kilometers with HACK. And how many in this HACK?
                “In one hook from five to one hundred kilometers” (Olshansky 1969
                1. svp67
                  svp67 13 November 2017 19: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  And how much is this?

                  Without "hooks", the tanks are good. The Soviet tank school is still visible. And in this matter, her Kharkov branch was always on the cutting edge ...
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 14 November 2017 11: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    The Soviet tank school is still visible.

                    Yes, not visible, but they are the product of the Soviet tank school.
                    She’s cosmetics, they’ve appropriated, they’ve appropriated what happened after the collapse of the Union and let's yell “then ours”, the same “Hammer” ...
                    And you can’t say that they are poor, mournful mind ...

                    Yes, for the sake of clarity, I visited, at one time, “Malyshev”, then, if I talked about it, then only about the SCHOOLS OF TANK-BUILDING, without any nationalistic dope.
  3. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 13 November 2017 12: 49
    +3
    But, in the end, Russia decided to make its own car of a new generation.
    what a blessing. even though we don’t have hemorrhoids with tanks - everything is ours.
  4. Sergei75
    Sergei75 13 November 2017 12: 58
    0
    Well, thank God! Let everything rust there, people will sleep in the DNI and LC will be calmer.
  5. Polkovodetz
    Polkovodetz 13 November 2017 12: 58
    +5
    Sorry for the stupid comment, but I can not resist) Everyone who is engaged in modeling can rejoice and start saving money for a novelty! The Chinese have enough of these two muddy photographs to make models on a scale of 1/72 and 1/35, we are waiting!)

    Sorry again)
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 13 November 2017 13: 07
      0
      Well, I think that Meng models from Khlopotov have already had these photos for a long time. Only Meng is not the office that will make the model from these photos (be it anyway, maybe)
      1. Polkovodetz
        Polkovodetz 13 November 2017 13: 21
        0
        About Meng agrees, these are not doing stupid things, they are trying. The first thought came about Trumpeter) They promised to release Object 640, the notorious "Black Eagle". And there are also very few materials on it, five photos and a slurred video.
        Released complex 1K17 "Compression", unbeknownst but released)
        And the story of the T-72B1, when they put on the network renders with dynamic protection in three layers on the tower and an atmospheric sensor)
        "Trumpeter" is ready for any stupidity to seize)
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 13 November 2017 18: 11
          0
          Quote: Polkovodetz
          Trumpeter "ready for any nonsense to seize)

          These may, I agree. Easy.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 14 November 2017 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Polkovodetz
      The Chinese have enough of these two muddy photos

      The network has the best, by the way, it’s not a tank, it’s OCD, there are such ...
      For example, Object 279

  6. Shurale
    Shurale 13 November 2017 13: 01
    0
    If wargaming him into the game, it will be the first TT with the ability to stun laughing
  7. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 13 November 2017 13: 03
    +2
    Here in detail and with a photo: https://topwar.ru/86184-proekt-osnovnogo-tanka-ob
    ekt-477.html
  8. san4es
    san4es 13 November 2017 13: 11
    +3
    Currently, this equipment is in a rusting state, somewhere on the landfill near Kharkov.


    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 13 November 2017 14: 02
      +5
      hi
      it is only marginal think that the T-14 with their scrap metal was copied.
      forgetting about other developments winked
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 November 2017 13: 12
    +1
    Based on the chassis, T 64 was taken ??? belay
  10. Berkut24
    Berkut24 13 November 2017 13: 17
    +1
    The photo shows that the chassis is taken from the T-64. This project was initially doomed to become nothing more than a concept. It is foolish to promote on a new project what was a weak point back in the early 60s.
  11. BAI
    BAI 13 November 2017 15: 23
    0
    Honestly - some kind of ugliness. Was it invented in the USSR? Involuntarily you recall: "An ugly plane does not fly."
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 13 November 2017 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      Was it invented in the USSR?

      it’s done on the outskirts, but in the USSR
  12. eburg1234
    eburg1234 13 November 2017 18: 50
    0
    Quote: Berkut24
    The photo shows that the chassis is taken from the T-64. This project was initially doomed to become nothing more than a concept. It is foolish to promote on a new project what was a weak point back in the early 60s.

    In fairness, Kharkivs were smart enough this time to install torsion bars of full length, and not half as on T-64. But the army team still demanded to make the second version of the chassis based on the T-80)).
  13. eburg1234
    eburg1234 13 November 2017 18: 54
    0
    Quote: Partyzan
    remember they remember, they are looking for someone to sell nedotank

    30 years have passed. Now it’s impossible to sell this tank, nobody needs it: the layout of the entire tank was dictated by the level of electronics of the 80s and hopelessly out of date. Of interest are perhaps the reservation decisions, which were really at a very high level.
  14. MONEY
    MONEY 13 November 2017 22: 10
    +1
    In the USSR, a tank with a 152 mm cannon was all the same created and tested !! Object 292 !! So about 477 is just one of the ...
  15. eburg1234
    eburg1234 14 November 2017 04: 21
    0
    Quote: MONEY
    In the USSR, a tank with a 152 mm cannon was all the same created and tested !! Object 292 !! So about 477 is just one of the ...

    292 can only be called a tank conditionally - AZ was not installed on it.
  16. Vanych
    Vanych 15 November 2017 19: 07
    0
    Well, if nothing happens with the engine, let them drag it in tow))
  17. Cynic
    Cynic 17 November 2017 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    the American dog in the manufacturing process of the RD-180 has never been wallowed.

    Officially control systems RD-180 from the Yankees, our "iron" ...