Photo "Object 477" - the main secrets of the Soviet tank construction

Images appeared on the Internet of the main secret of Soviet tank construction - the main combat tank "Object 477", which was developed in Kharkov in the late 1980s, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

It is reported that the 57-ton combat vehicle was armed with an 152-mm cannon. It was supposed to install an engine with power in 1500 hp. However, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kharkiv citizens failed to bring the car to the mind of the new generation.

“Everything was raw and did not work well. The engine could not exceed the 1200-strong line of power. After the collapse of the USSR, in cooperation with Russia, new attempts were made to bring the car to mind. There were very interesting upgrades. But in the end, Russia decided to make its own car of a new generation, ”writes the author of the material Lev Romanov.

For a while, the work at the Kharkov factory went by inertia, but soon it stopped altogether.

Currently, this equipment is in a rusting state, somewhere on the landfill near Kharkov.

Comments

[Sergey53]

If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings. SATAN WANTED TO SELL.

[Partyzan]

remember they remember, they are looking for someone to sell nedotank

[ImPerts]

Quote: Sergey53

If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings.

As far as I remember, the RD-180 also left with the drawings, as production was to be organized in the United States, but ...
The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.

[Grandfather]

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However, Kharkiv did not succeed in bringing to mind the new generation car before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Now I think, thank God ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: ImPerts

The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.

just everything according to the laws of the Jankers was done (customized) ...
"Dys" on the site an article about him was .... and in the "net" is full of normal (competent) articles about this topic.

[ImPerts]

Quote: Deadush

just the same, everything was done according to the laws of the Jankers

The fact of the matter is that production should have been organized in the United States, but the test specimens did not reach the required parameters. Therefore, the Americans had to create a joint venture with production in Russia, and this was already a violation of their own rules.
About it, too, is on the Internet

[Sergey53]

To make them you need brains. And with their training system, even after their university, only psaki are obtained.

[Cynic]

Quote: Sergey53

need brains.

Here you need to make a hand.
Brains and blueprints bought, but "Uncle Vasya" how to buy? He for this can and redeem ...

[Dedall]

Now, after the current universities and academies, we also have not very well-trained engineering personnel. I sometimes make fun of particularly honored ones. I’ll ask about the Gay-Lussac law, the Carnot cycle or the Lorentz force. In response, only smiles. And what to expect after the exam and the test system in universities. And here it’s interesting - I myself graduated from school 38 years ago and then we thoroughly studied it.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: ImPerts

Quote: Sergey53

If you remember, they will sell it to someone with drawings.

As far as I remember, the RD-180 also left with the drawings, as production was to be organized in the United States, but ...
The Americans had to violate their own laws and regulations.

You're wrong.
RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm. The fact is that in the United States there is a law prohibiting the use of foreign equipment in the main areas of science and technology. Drawings made according to the standards of the USSR-Russia, in Russian, using Russian materials, Gost, test methods, stands, equipment, machines. absolutely not needed by the Americans themselves. For delving into someone else's is much more difficult than doing your own.
For reference, the weight of the technical documentation for the SU-27 airplane in one copy is equal to the weight of the airplane itself. Here, perhaps, the matter is even more sad.
Moreover, in the technical documentation, of course, there are references to the requirements and the fulfillment of the requirements of top-secret techniques and instructions. What do you think, our will pass it all? Of course, they were not given a set of working documentation, but a set of operational documentation. And this is a completely different matter.
These pieces of iron were made at Russian-made facilities, formally called "joint" with the Americans.

[Cynic]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
Lord, so much has been written about this ...

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Cynic

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
Lord, so much has been written about this ...

RD Amross is a Russian-American joint venture that brings together NPO Energomash and the American company Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne. The first is engaged in the production of RD-180 engines, and the second supplies them to ULA for their Atlas launch vehicle.

So if one is correct, then the second should be correct. If someone else’s is forbidden, the appearance of his own is necessary.
What's wrong?

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Cynic

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

About the fact that OAO NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day firm, it’s said very strongly, and so, about the legislation of USA, everything is correct.
RD-180 is converted into Yankees RD-170, and it should not be forgotten that only “iron” is supplied to the states, the entire body kit is installed, respectively, it is the engine itself that is born there ...
Lord, so much has been written about this ...

I will add, the essential is missed.
So the body kit dictates the content and design of the engine. or vice versa?
Like the joke "First we bought a crib, now we’re thinking how to buy a cow." Metric standards of Russia and the inch of the United States. Docking elements based on which system? The nomenclature of finished products used on the RD-170, and transferred to the RD-180. Specially to master this "dodger" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours? Maybe replace it with someone else's, without testing (with additional tests) and take risks .....?
Yes, you, brother, have never crossed the threshold of a design bureau.

[Cynic]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

What's wrong?

First:

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

Second:

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

never crossed the threshold of KB.

He crossed, and more than once, though not missile, they only visited the factory.
Thirdly

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

to master this "dummy" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours?

Somehow you immediately and sharply forgot about the legislation of the USA, and it was precisely because of it that such a production cycle developed.
Although this is not entirely accurate, what are you doing the Yankees by kindness of soul did this? RD-180 has such logistics solely because the most “high-tech" power in the world was unable to manufacture RD-180 "iron" despite the presence of FULL documentation, both design and technological ...
IMMEDIATELY wanted to have absolutely only their production, but ...

Quote: Cynic

Lord, so much has been written about this ...

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Cynic

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

What's wrong?

First:

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

Second:

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

never crossed the threshold of KB.

He crossed, and more than once, though not missile, they only visited the factory.
Thirdly

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

to master this "dummy" in the States, or is it easier to put a well-adapted ours?

Somehow you immediately and sharply forgot about the legislation of the USA, and it was precisely because of it that such a production cycle developed.
Although this is not entirely accurate, what are you doing the Yankees by kindness of soul did this? RD-180 has such logistics solely because the most “high-tech" power in the world was unable to manufacture RD-180 "iron" despite the presence of FULL documentation, both design and technological ...
IMMEDIATELY wanted to have absolutely only their production, but ...

Quote: Cynic

Lord, so much has been written about this ...

I read it three times. Understood nothing. (of course, I agree with my statements), and your inserts do not reach the point of consciousness. What did you want to say?
What crossed the threshold, but not KB, and not rocket? Well, for the word "Lord," my ancestors-Ural Cossacks would have poured you a hrapnik on the square. Deciding to punish immediately.

[Cynic]

Are you foolish?
So false cronyism is not your profile, that those others have never tried to be clever.

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

my ancestors, the Ural Cossacks would have poured you arapnik on the square

So I understand you are invoking your ancestors? Well, well, you yourself are hot, for a false call, do not be afraid to try it?
Yes,

A smart Cossack will not go to Urman, but a stupid and not sorry ...

[Cynic]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

I agree with my statements)

Now it’s clear to me that for you OJSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day company.

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Cynic

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

I agree with my statements)

Now it’s clear to me that for you OJSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko is a one-day company.

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

RD-180 was developed by order of the American side, with their money and a joint, just-organized one-day firm.

I propose holding two tons of design and technological documentation in English in my hand. in the drawings and technological instructions which contain the requirements set forth in other people's, American standards, which you do not have.
For example, which is most certainly, there are documents RD-180. Since the document is not secret, I have the right to pronounce its name. For instance:
Item 45 in assembly drawing 11111111111.
"Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.
Without this NG0 you cannot imagine what to do. Find and receive a document. And not just typographically published and translated into English (notarized, otherwise it does not have legal force in the United States), but also put on the account. What it is, it means that this particular instance is registered in the research institute, which developed it and issued an obligation to COMMUNICATE ALL changes. For reference, about 20 thousand state standards and about 300 thousand departmental were registered in the USSR. In the CD and TD on the RD-180 there are links to thousands, if not tens of thousands of standards of all levels.
And the last one. You will not understand a damn thing in American TD. This is a journalistic message that drawing is a universal language of communication. In the same way as they do not understand a damn thing in ours. The simplest example. Our projections on the drawing are depicted when turning over, as if he had stumbled, and they have when slipping. That is, the lateral ones are shown on the opposite side than we show. It takes a long time to get used to it. I am convinced that there will be many errors, especially at the beginning.

[Cynic]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

"Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.

Nope.
Assembly TPs were written by us as the oldest and, consider, an experienced technologist.
And then, even after a dozen years, there were unreflected nuances ...
"Lucky" to participate in the introduction of a new "Product" ...
My metalworking.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Cynic

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

"Stop according to NG0.019.000. View 57". Follow up.

Nope.
Assembly TPs were written by us as the oldest and, consider, an experienced technologist.
And then, even after a dozen years, there were unreflected nuances ...
"Lucky" to participate in the introduction of a new "Product" ...
My metalworking.

I see you are a technologist. Great. Do you write your TPs based on the knowledge of your equipment? And you know how to set processing modes, knowing the properties of the material of the part, the properties of the tool and other things ....? Then what can an American write, looking at the Thursday made in Russian, with links, THE CHAIN ​​TO BE OPENED more and more like a snowball of growing papers as they receive the same NG0, furthermore, what the very NG0 refer to, etc.
Only in the manufacture of nuts the link chain breaks pretty soon. But the nut cannot be pulled out.
After all, I describe all this with the aim of proving that the American dog never lied in the manufacturing process of the RD-180. The sticker at the entrance to the company with American participation is only tinsel, to circumvent American laws. Their participation there is only their grandmother. And we did very well, selling a well-run project as a new development. We sometimes did this at our company.

[Andrey K]

The essence of the article

Photo "Object 477" - the main secrets of the Soviet tank construction

Unnecessary confirmation of the saying of our brothers: "And I myself" will not ", and I will not give it to another" ...
They worked out at the Union together with the Kharkovites, then the Kharkovites decided to promote themselves, as a result, they discovered this development somewhere in the junkyard of history ...

[svp67]

Quote: Andrey K

Unnecessary confirmation of the saying of our brothers: "And I myself" will not ", and I will not give it to another" ...

The fact is, how it all began well ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: svp67

The fact is, how it all began well ...

so what's so good about it?
they are still trying to collect on the basis of 64-ki.

[svp67]

Quote: Deadush

they are still trying to collect on the basis of 64-ki.

What are they trying to collect at this base? Specify

[Dead duck]

Bulat
and other craft based on T-80 "Hold"

[svp67]

Quote: Deadush

Bulat
and other craft based on T-80 "Hold"

Both that and that, today very decent tanks, are not almost worse than our T-72B3 and T-90A

[Dead duck]

Quote: svp67

Both that and that, today very decent tanks,

decent for what? and for what time?
the stuffing is old from the times of the USSR picked out from other machines.
for the exhibition it’s possible they’ll put something worthwhile ... in a single copy.
You this (that decent) tell to whom they put their miracle-arm.

[svp67]

Quote: Deadush

You this (that decent) tell to whom they put their miracle-arm.

Everything is much simpler here. Since the "Bulat" was not delivered anywhere, and the "Bastions" only in Thailand.

[Dead duck]

Duc, no difference.
Although the tanks were good at the time (and the T-80 is not bad now), but it was not done at the level.
And for exhibitions everyone knows how to do, Psheki also blinded their "wunderwaffe ..." from plastic.

[Cynic]

Quote: svp67

almost worse than ours

And how much is this? As in that saying: Go another 2 kilometers with HACK. And how many in this HACK?

“In one hook from five to one hundred kilometers” (Olshansky 1969

[svp67]

Quote: Cynic

And how much is this?

Without "hooks", the tanks are good. The Soviet tank school is still visible. And in this matter, her Kharkov branch was always on the cutting edge ...

[Cynic]

Quote: svp67

The Soviet tank school is still visible.

Yes, not visible, but they are the product of the Soviet tank school.
She’s cosmetics, they’ve appropriated, they’ve appropriated what happened after the collapse of the Union and let's yell “then ours”, the same “Hammer” ...
And you can’t say that they are poor, mournful mind ...

Yes, for the sake of clarity, I visited, at one time, “Malyshev”, then, if I talked about it, then only about the SCHOOLS OF TANK-BUILDING, without any nationalistic dope.

[Cxnumx]

But, in the end, Russia decided to make its own car of a new generation.

what a blessing. even though we don’t have hemorrhoids with tanks - everything is ours.

[Sergei75]

Well, thank God! Let everything rust there, people will sleep in the DNI and LC will be calmer.

[Polkovodetz]

Sorry for the stupid comment, but I can not resist) Everyone who is engaged in modeling can rejoice and start saving money for a novelty! The Chinese have enough of these two muddy photographs to make models on a scale of 1/72 and 1/35, we are waiting!)

Sorry again)

[DenZ]

Well, I think that Meng models from Khlopotov have already had these photos for a long time. Only Meng is not the office that will make the model from these photos (be it anyway, maybe)

[Polkovodetz]

About Meng agrees, these are not doing stupid things, they are trying. The first thought came about Trumpeter) They promised to release Object 640, the notorious "Black Eagle". And there are also very few materials on it, five photos and a slurred video.
Released complex 1K17 "Compression", unbeknownst but released)
And the story of the T-72B1, when they put on the network renders with dynamic protection in three layers on the tower and an atmospheric sensor)
"Trumpeter" is ready for any stupidity to seize)

[DenZ]

Quote: Polkovodetz

Trumpeter "ready for any nonsense to seize)

These may, I agree. Easy.

[Cynic]

Quote: Polkovodetz

The Chinese have enough of these two muddy photos

The network has the best, by the way, it’s not a tank, it’s OCD, there are such ...
For example, Object 279

[Shurale]

If wargaming him into the game, it will be the first TT with the ability to stun

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Here in detail and with a photo: https://topwar.ru/86184-proekt-osnovnogo-tanka-ob
ekt-477.html

[san4es]

Currently, this equipment is in a rusting state, somewhere on the landfill near Kharkov.

[Dead duck]

it is only marginal think that the T-14 with their scrap metal was copied.
forgetting about other developments

[Herculesic]

Based on the chassis, T 64 was taken ???

[Berkut24]

The photo shows that the chassis is taken from the T-64. This project was initially doomed to become nothing more than a concept. It is foolish to promote on a new project what was a weak point back in the early 60s.

[BAI]

Honestly - some kind of ugliness. Was it invented in the USSR? Involuntarily you recall: "An ugly plane does not fly."

[Dead duck]

Quote: BAI

Was it invented in the USSR?

it’s done on the outskirts, but in the USSR

[eburg1234]

Quote: Berkut24

The photo shows that the chassis is taken from the T-64. This project was initially doomed to become nothing more than a concept. It is foolish to promote on a new project what was a weak point back in the early 60s.

In fairness, Kharkivs were smart enough this time to install torsion bars of full length, and not half as on T-64. But the army team still demanded to make the second version of the chassis based on the T-80)).

[eburg1234]

Quote: Partyzan

remember they remember, they are looking for someone to sell nedotank

30 years have passed. Now it’s impossible to sell this tank, nobody needs it: the layout of the entire tank was dictated by the level of electronics of the 80s and hopelessly out of date. Of interest are perhaps the reservation decisions, which were really at a very high level.

[MONEY]

In the USSR, a tank with a 152 mm cannon was all the same created and tested !! Object 292 !! So about 477 is just one of the ...

[eburg1234]

Quote: MONEY

In the USSR, a tank with a 152 mm cannon was all the same created and tested !! Object 292 !! So about 477 is just one of the ...

292 can only be called a tank conditionally - AZ was not installed on it.

[Vanych]

Well, if nothing happens with the engine, let them drag it in tow))

[Cynic]

Quote: Victor Dubovitsky

the American dog in the manufacturing process of the RD-180 has never been wallowed.

Officially control systems RD-180 from the Yankees, our "iron" ...