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Rostec: Su-35 already possesses artificial intelligence

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Artificial intelligence is already present in the newest Russian Su-35 combat aircraft, the “intelligent” fighter unit is responsible for the independent selection of priority targets for their defeat by a certain type of aviation weapons, told the general director of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov.


Rostec: Su-35 already possesses artificial intelligence


The Su-35 multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter is participating for the first time in the flight program of the Dubai Airshow 2017 air show in Dubai. The machine also participates in a static exhibition at the exhibition.

Su-35, which flies (in the framework of the flight program Dubai Airshow 2017 - approx.), There is just one of the blocks, which in essence is artificial intelligence. That is, he analyzes all the targets that he captures - he can capture about six goals at the same time - and immediately determines which weapon he needs to hit.
- Chemezov said during the work of the Dubai Airshow 2017 international aerospace exhibition.

It’s not even a pilot doing it, it’s all artificial intelligence
- he specified.

Su-35 - 4 ++ generation fighter with thrust vectoring engines. It uses technologies of the fifth generation, which provide superiority over foreign-made fighters of a similar class, reports RIA News.
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  1. 100502
    100502 13 November 2017 11: 03
    21
    What nonsense, it's a disgrace to make such statements about AI
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 13 November 2017 11: 07
      +4
      Soon they will report that a bolt or nut was screwed into the plane ....
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 13 November 2017 11: 16
      +1
      Yeah. But what about ancient wisdom - rely on God, but don’t lie yourself?
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 13 November 2017 11: 19
      18
      That's right, let's wait until the Su-35 AI starts making statements for the press - this will be a decent level! bully
      1. electrooleg
        electrooleg 14 November 2017 10: 31
        0
        We are waiting for the "perpetuum mobile" will also be written without quotes and installed on the su-35 laughing
    4. Dashout
      Dashout 13 November 2017 11: 20
      13
      Quote: 100502
      What nonsense, it's a disgrace to make such statements about AI

      What do you dislike?
      1. opus
        opus 13 November 2017 12: 20
        +6
        Quote: Dashout
        What do you dislike?

        Quote: said Chemezov
        The Su-35 that flies (as part of the Dubai Airshow 2017 flight program - approx.), There is just one of the blocks there, which in essence is artificial intelligence.

        belay
        Sergey Viktorovich Chemezov (Doctor of Economics, professor, full member of the Academy of Military Sciences) ... the shit would not be dishonored

        Siri is believed to be an AI (
        in fact

        wink
        So I represent the SU-35S pilot talking to the HAL 9000

        well, or with KITT and Cortana (from the game Halo, not Microsoft Cortanta).

        If in the avionics SU-35 C there are (which is likely) fuzzy logic controllers: this does not mean that
        Su-35 already has artificial intelligence


        ps / neural networks on the 35th like no


        Lockheed Martin and Trevor Sands work hard at NEURAL NETS, while so-so success.
        We are straining: State Research Institute of Aviation Systems (GosNIIAS), Moscow State Institute of Radioengineering, Electronics and Automation (MIREA), Institute of Control Sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IPU RAS), MSTU named after N.E. Bauman and others
        While plugging:
        critical points for the implementation of onboard IP prototypes are:
        • real-time requirement;
        • lack of special tools;
        • portability of prototypes on a computer;
        • the amount of memory required to store information about the subject area;
        • ensuring the interaction of on-board ICs that support the solution of various problems, among themselves, with the IUP of the cabin and with the on-board equipment of the facility.

        Sergei Viktorovich, of course, knows better, but I guess he got the rumors about

        prototype of the on-board operational-advising ES duel "Duel".

        The issue of indicative support for the pilot’s intellectual support regime is at the Sukhoi Design Bureau
        Single BES in the form of a prototype brought to full-scale tests.

         four-position switch on the aircraft control handle (CHPP-RUS);
         multifunctional button (IFC) “accept the recommendation” - IFC “RECC”;  IFC “Transfer to the nearest subordination” (universal for all phases of flight) - IFC “PBBP”;  IFC “DUEL” - for the situation “Duel”;
        MFC "NxN", (formation of the operating mode of the intellectual support system);
         Combat button (BC) in RUS
        1. 100502
          100502 13 November 2017 13: 20
          +4
          Off five automatic
      2. okko077
        okko077 13 November 2017 13: 42
        +1
        Su-35 is a 4 ++ generation fighter with engines with a controlled thrust vector. It uses fifth-generation technologies that provide superiority over fighters of foreign production of a similar class
        What are the technologies of the fifth generation used in it? Super maneuverability and everything?
        He has no superiority over foreign-made fighters of a similar class in combat ... And in terms of technical excellence of equipment, engine, and most systems, he is inferior ... Yes, according to the price-quality criterion, he can compete with everyone, but this implies a sufficient number of these planes, we have few of them ... Work and work and for many years to come ... Well, the academician blurted out stupidity, it happens ...
        1. opus
          opus 13 November 2017 15: 00
          +8
          Quote: okko077
          What are the technologies of the fifth generation used in it? Super maneuverability and everything?

          -ferromagnetic absorbing material (ferromagnetic absorbing material), which is applied to the inlets of the air intakes and on the compressor blades of the engine, as a result, the aircraft radar signature is significantly reduced. This coating does not affect the operation of the engines and the anti-icing system and is capable of withstanding the temperature of the air flow up to 200 degrees Celsius.
          -RLS "Irbis", developed in the NIIP them. Tikhomirov. The station is beautiful, allowing to detect targets with an effective dispersion area (ESR) in 1 sq. m. at a distance of 300 km.
          they say soon "Zhuk-AE" will be delivered with the method of "frequency games" (obtaining an integrated object response to a sequence of low-energy scanning signals)
          -OES
          -arms
          - multi-function
          -the presence of a circular information system
          1. okko077
            okko077 13 November 2017 15: 10
            +1
            Did you present an excerpt from the essay for schoolchildren? What else do they say? What else will they put? Not funny !
          2. Town Hall
            Town Hall 13 November 2017 15: 34
            +1
            Quote: opus
            ferromagnetic absorbing material, which is applied to the inlet openings of the air intakes and to the blades of the engine compressor,



            On 5 aircraft generation, the compressor blades are “hidden” by S-shaped air intakes, not by these materials.



            Quote: opus
            Radar "Irbis", developed in NIIP them. Tikhomirova.



            Is it a PFAR?. All the same, one of the signs of the 5th generation is AFAR.

            Quote: opus
            -arms



            And what kind of weapon corresponds to the 5th generation?. It seems not the type of weapon itself that matters, but the fact that it is not on external suspensions. On the SU-35 this is not so.

            Multifunctionality? This is not the prerogative of the 5th generation. It is on the 4th and on the 3rd probably it was.


            All these are palliatives.
            1. opus
              opus 13 November 2017 16: 14
              +2
              Quote: Town Hall
              On 5 aircraft generation, the compressor blades are “hidden” by S-shaped air intakes, not by these materials.

              This is not a la 5
              а
              Quote: okko077
              In him technology used fifth generation

              not all but part
              S-shaped to make on the basis of the machine SU-27 is not possible
              Hidden compartments in containers: you can

              Quote: Town Hall
              Is this PFAR ?.

              repeat
              Quote: okko077
              In him technology used fifth generation

              not all but part.

              "Beetle-A" = AFAR

              Quote: Town Hall
              All this is a palliative

              I don't even know that word
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 13 November 2017 16: 53
                0
                Paint on the blades, PFAR is not the 5th generation technology. The 5th generation technologies are S-shaped air intakes and AFAR.

                They will put the Beetle-A-then and it can be said that there are elements of the 5th generation. And with PFAR there are no elements. Even partial.


                What you indicate are elements of improvements for 4th generation aircraft.
    5. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2017 14: 47
      +1
      Maybe a person has degraded so much that it can be said that a car or plane "has intelligent systems."
  2. japs
    japs 13 November 2017 11: 05
    +6
    So I want to say - "Wow!". AI is very loud for a set of algorithms, say “overgrowth”. But this is progress!
    Compared to past technology.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 13 November 2017 11: 25
      13
      there is some error in the presentation of the question. When we hear the phrase AI - immediately imagine something like a person - able to talk, respond and make decisions like a person and so on.
      In fact, AI is always highly specialized for a specific task or tasks.
      And yes, AI, as well as even EI, is a set of algorithms in the field of solving a specific problem.
      And most people (oh horror!) Solve narrow problems with the help of a set of such algorithms.
      EI is able to create and correct these very algorithms. So AI is able to do the same - in the field of a narrow task.
      So everything is correct - the AI ​​is installed.
      1. Azim77
        Azim77 13 November 2017 11: 51
        +1
        All the same, AI is not a set of algorithms. A set of algorithms is just a program. Which happens to be highly specialized. The main difference between AI and a program for automation is the possibility of self-learning and self-development. This is, if in theory .. Another thing is that time is - the louder you announce, the more you get the effect. Especially if the opponents do not shun it. Especially in the media.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 13 November 2017 12: 01
          -1
          Well, I’m actually talking about the fact that the process of self-learning and development is also carried out by certain algorithms, if simplified, which are responsible for building a system of interconnections with an external influence - a reaction, using combinations of reaction algorithms that were previously developed or initially built in view of the hierarchy of their significance. Actually, a living person does the same thing - reacts to the impact with a combination of previously learned actions.
        2. japs
          japs 14 November 2017 10: 14
          +4
          Dear Azim, this is exactly what I had in mind when I said, “Wow!”
          For the most part, AI is present among high figures who shake the air loudly.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 14 November 2017 19: 06
          0
          Quote: Azim77
          Another thing is that time is like this - the louder you announce, the more you get the effect.

          About 10 years ago I met nano-car washes)))
      2. abuyanovus
        abuyanovus 13 November 2017 11: 59
        0
        Well ... In my opinion, AI implies the ability to improve and independently make some changes to the set of algorithms. That is, self-learning during operation. That's all the difference from EI. I repeat - this is in my opinion. winked
      3. opus
        opus 13 November 2017 12: 24
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        In fact, AI is always highly specialized for a specific task or tasks.

        which AI?
        "weak" or "strong"? or "generalized"?

        Is Siri Apple an AI?
  3. Sergei75
    Sergei75 13 November 2017 11: 09
    +1
    somehow not really cheers. And so little?
  4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
    Lavrenti Pavlovich 13 November 2017 11: 10
    +2
    The main thing that would work flawlessly. We are waiting for the SU-57.
  5. stolz
    stolz 13 November 2017 11: 10
    +3
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Soon they will report that a bolt or nut was screwed into the plane ....

    Yeah, and independently send the Americans to hell, without the participation of the pilot.
  6. Egorovich
    Egorovich 13 November 2017 11: 17
    +6
    A great machine with the rudiments of artificial intelligence - it just sounds great. They work. Well done !!!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 November 2017 11: 22
      +3
      Such a program with six "cases", and what they write now
      high school students in the classroom.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 13 November 2017 11: 34
        +8
        Something neither the mattresses, nor the Jews (sixth graders) wrote a program for avoiding the Syrian birds for the F-35.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 November 2017 12: 19
          +2
          Birds are a problem for aviation. They really didn’t learn with them
          fight. Too inconspicuous and appear too suddenly before
          by plane. We recently repaired the F-15, which collided with birds.
          Now here is the F-35 repair.
          1. Egorovich
            Egorovich 13 November 2017 12: 26
            +8
            Syrian birds are the S-200, but you can dump everything on the birds. Not a single photo beaten by birds of the F-35 aircraft was provided. And water can be poured endlessly.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 November 2017 13: 10
              0
              Syrians fired at our F-16, which photographed the territory
              Lebanon on the border with Syria. But did not hit, as usual.
              F-35 until the end of December this year can not participate in military operations.
              He has not yet received full combat readiness status in our Air Force.
              And flew from the United States while 9 out of 12.
              1. Egorovich
                Egorovich 13 November 2017 13: 13
                +6
                That's why I said water.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 13 November 2017 11: 46
        0
        Well, that's great that they write. This means that education is still improving and is bearing fruit.
        All that remains for high school students is to achieve guaranteed operation of this program in a changing environment, and of the ability to improve in connection with these very conditions.
        I think, whenever it is, in the future, high school students will be able to write such a thing for themselves - as soon as scientists for them work out the mathematical apparatus to a utilitarian simple application and develop appropriate high-level languages.
      3. sogdy
        sogdy 13 November 2017 11: 59
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Such a program with six "cases"

        ABOUT! with recognition and hardware? And this is exactly what is said in the translation from the state.
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 13 November 2017 11: 17
    +2
    And I thought Rogozin finally inserted the chip! laughing
  8. Mestny
    Mestny 13 November 2017 11: 28
    0
    There is some error in the presentation of the question. When we hear the phrase AI - immediately imagine something like a person - able to talk, respond and make decisions like a person and so on.
    In fact, AI is always highly specialized for a specific task or tasks.
    And yes, AI, as well as even EI, is a set of algorithms in the field of solving a specific problem.
    And most people (oh horror!) Solve narrow problems with the help of a set of such algorithms.
    EI is able to create and correct these very algorithms. So AI is able to do the same - in the field of such tasks. Which in this case is the detection, recognition, and selection of priorities of targets and means for attack.
    So everything is correct - the AI ​​is installed.
    It remains only to allow the actual use without the participation of the pilot.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 13 November 2017 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Mestny
      It remains only to allow the actual use without the participation of the pilot.

      Still not a war ...
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 November 2017 12: 33
      0
      "So everything is correct - the AI ​​is installed" ///

      Wrong. There's a custom selection and recognition program
      Goals WRITTEN BY HUMAN. Antiquity.
      AI - a self-learning specialized program written by COMP, without participation
      person. A man writes only the initial "blank". And the computer itself
      appends the program code as information becomes available.
      I will explain for our case. The plane simultaneously sees a helicopter, tank and UAV.
      The programmer writes: first deal with the helicopter, then with the UAV, then with the tank.
      AI writes: first a helicopter, then a tank (it is "cooler" wassat ), and finally a drone.
      And gets a BB rocket from a drone sad . Therefore, AI is not yet used in military aviation.
      His decisions are too unpredictable.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 13 November 2017 12: 59
        0
        They also tell a person in childhood - first take off your pants, then sit on the pot. Well, that is, the "programmer" in this case writes. Although yes, some intellectuals manage to execute this program with errors.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There's a custom selection and recognition program
        Goals WRITTEN BY HUMAN. Antiquity.

        From the article we do not know anything - the program there is usual or unusual. Can she independently improve her options for choosing goals or not.
        And yes, it will still be written by man.
        AI writes: first a helicopter, then a tank (it was "cooler" wassat), and finally a drone.
        And receives the explosive rocket from the drone: sad.

        To do this, there are simulators that simulate the entire spectrum of external information for such an AI. The result of the choice of AI actions on such a simulator can be only a defeat or a certain percentage of success, from 100% to a smaller number.
        The options on this simulator can drive a huge amount. What prevents the AI ​​from developing an action plan for all of these options?
        And most importantly - what's the impossible?
        Actually, live pilots are also trained initially on the simulator, and only then at the training ground.
        I do not think that in this particular task is detection, tracking. prioritization of goals and the choice of option and time of attack, AI will cope worse than a person.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 November 2017 13: 18
          +1
          "For this there are simulators that simulate the entire spectrum of external information for such an AI." ////

          AI air combat programs have already been created. And on simulators they smash combat
          ace pilots almost dry. Usually, the AI ​​loses one or two of the first battles, learns the tactics of a specific pilot and then cuts it out without a chance.
          In a combat situation, of course, it is critically important to transfer the experience (program code) of the first battles to the remaining drones, which will replace the downed ones. Without this, self-learning loses its meaning.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 November 2017 15: 59
            -1
            Well, I’m saying - there is, and they are working.
            So what are we arguing about? Or do you think that in Russia there are no such simulators?
            Well, write.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 November 2017 17: 28
              0
              There is no such. There are, of course, training for pilots.
              And this is rather a "game console" for aces and AI developers.
      2. opus
        opus 13 November 2017 13: 00
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        AI - a self-learning specialized program written by COMP, without participation
        person. A man writes only the initial "blank".

        To get
        Technological singularity?
        ==================
        WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?
        Q. What is artificial intelligence?

        A. This is the science and technology of creating intelligent machines, especially intelligent computer programs. This is due to the similar task of using computers to understand human intelligence, but AI should not be limited to methods that are biologically observable.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 November 2017 13: 36
          0
          WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

          Now they are promoting an effective method - "a monkey in front of a mirror".
          Copying enemy actions with improvements on the go.
          Cheap and cheerful. No super-computers, millions of lines of code and wild amounts of memory.
          The initial installation of AI: "I'm stupid, I can’t do anything, I’m learning on the go (I write the code myself).
          Such a program has recently butchered the guru champions of the ancient Go game.
          Which was considered the "god" of all intellectual games.
          The method is effective in military programs.
          1. opus
            opus 13 November 2017 15: 22
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Now they are promoting an effective method - "a monkey in front of a mirror".



            "Chaos Monkey" know


            Everyone knows that if you plant a monkey for a typewriter and make it always accidentally knock on the keys, then sooner or later, it will type “War and Peace”, a collection of Pythagorean works


            Quote: voyaka uh
            effective method - "monkey in front of the mirror."

            no
            Usually, monkeys, like many other animals, cannot correlate themselves with their reflection in the mirror.
            This is a very, very long and costly process.
      3. askort154
        askort154 13 November 2017 13: 01
        0
        voyaka uh .....II writes: first a helicopter, then a tank (it is "cooler"), and finally a drone.

        And if by the principle - who was the first to irradiate?
  9. Dead duck
    Dead duck 13 November 2017 11: 48
    +4
    Artificial intelligence is already present in the latest Russian combat aircraft

    Isn't censorship too able to express himself (especially on air)? ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 13 November 2017 12: 04
      -1
      Just this is not a problem - to teach foul language. Not distinguishable from the present. Not specifically this option of course. This one will help kill the enemy.
      In general, the idea of ​​atas! Let swear in English on air, demoralize adversary!
  10. Dead duck
    Dead duck 13 November 2017 12: 12
    +4
    Quote: Mestny
    In general, the idea of ​​atas! Let swear in English on air, demoralize adversary!

    Yeah, at all enemy frequencies laughing
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 13 November 2017 12: 46
      0
      Means EW "Matyugalnik" - the latest development!
      It intercepts the negotiations of the enemy and immediately comments on them with the voice of Shura Karetny in English. laughing
  11. Mestny
    Mestny 13 November 2017 12: 33
    0
    Quote: opus
    which AI?
    "weak" or "strong"? or "generalized"?

    Is Siri Apple an AI?

    Acting within a certain set of types and methods of information, and only these limits.
    Of course, the ability to carry out actions in these particular conditions can be different - conditionally from “bad to excellent”, for example, as a percentage of the right decisions from the wrong ones for any change in the incoming information.
    In this form, SIRI is undoubtedly an AI, like many bots on the network.
    If we completely generalize and simplify, we can give such a comparison. A person who owns an EI, once in an environment that does not correspond to such a set of external influences (for example, a resident of a metropolis in the desert), most likely will not survive, I use sets of algorithms for living in a metropolis.
    Therefore, do not require versatility from SIRI and the like.
  12. raw174
    raw174 13 November 2017 13: 35
    +4
    I have a Priora car with heated lobovik, mirrors and seats with backrests, if you turn on the entire load and high beam, then there are voltage drops on the idle, while the lobovik, and sometimes siduhi, turns off, the sequence depends on the degree of subsidence. So is this also an AI? My car prioritizes energy supplies! Her mother, as if not engaged in self-education, will beat me and that's it! wassat laughing
  13. Makarov
    Makarov 13 November 2017 15: 17
    0
    I wanted to insert my five cents, but after reading the comments I realized that everything had already been dealt with without me)
  14. bk316
    bk316 13 November 2017 15: 27
    +3
    As if dark people gathered, Opus, Voyaka, ayayay ....
    AI is what passes the Turing test.
    The Turing test essentially means that if specialists in a certain field cannot distinguish between machine behavior and human behavior, then the machine is reasonable.
    If heavy pilots cannot distinguish whether or not this system is enabled by aircraft behavior, then this is an AI, even if the program is written by sixth graders, and the controller is a tube
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 November 2017 16: 01
      0
      Turing test passed.
      https://hitech.newsru.com/article/09jun2014/turin
      gtest
      "Saturday, June 7 [2014], a computer program named" Evgeny Guzman "[Russian] was able to trick 33% of the judges,
      making them believe that they are communicating with a real teenager from Ukraine [Odessa] "

      So you need to come up with a new test. The program was not very complicated (albeit brilliantly written).
      1. bk316
        bk316 13 November 2017 17: 57
        +2
        33% not enough laughing
        And then who told you that AI was not created? That it should contain millions of lines of code and run on a supercomputer THIS WILL BE POSSIBLE SUPERAI, but redundant for AI.
        It’s like with the Pythagorean theorem, the proof is a special case of the cosine theorem, the proof is of course very short, but implies the existence of algebra ...
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 13 November 2017 16: 04
      -1
      If the system is turned on and working as it should - the opinion of NATO pilots most likely no one will know.
      But this is ideal. In reality, the pilot is mistaken, and the AI ​​is over. Only in the second case there is hope that the reaction to the situation will be faster and more stable.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 13 November 2017 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: opus
    So I represent the SU-35S pilot talking to the HAL 9000

    It is difficult to imagine how a person can claim even not some degree (otherwise how to understand your narcissism against the background of the scientific degree of the author of the statement), but a minimal outlook, to consider that AI must have voice information exchange system. Moreover, AI (a very vague concept, by the way) is strictly specialized.
    What makes you scribble such messages of dubious value?

    Further, to expand your horizons, Cortana, Siri and other software from the same opera, strictly speaking, if we cling to definitions, it is not artificial intelligence. These are expert systems with a voice interface.

    Concluding the commentary of your song on the moon, I’ll add that the expression “artificial intelligence”, like “nanotechnology”, has acquired the features of an advertising slogan in our time. In fact, Humanity was as far from the creation of AI in the 80s, as far from this today.