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Media: Russian national team - in step from a complete disqualification

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British media came out with materials that the Russian national team "is one step away from disqualification." We are talking about the preparation of WADA and the IOC for the complete disqualification of the Russian team at the Winter Olympics in South Korea, which will be held in February 2018 of the year.


In the edition Daily Mail It is said that the possibility of a complete disqualification of the Russian national team is considered on the basis of supposedly new “exposing materials provided by Grigory Rodchenkov.” Recall that Rodchenkov once served as head of the Russian Anti-Doping Association and, according to testimonies of coaches and athletes, arguing that the drugs are not prohibited, he sold the media to the sports environment, which ended up on the WADA list as doping. To date, Rodchenkov is in the United States and serves as a pseudo-debunker under the frank cap of US intelligence.

A British newspaper reports that “information from Rodchenkov has been conveyed to the special commissions of the International Olympic Committee Samuel Schmid and Denis Oswald. Rodchenkov argues that the alleged mass use of doping in Russia was carried out with the direct support of the Minister of Sport of the Russian Federation (then) Vitaly Mutko.

Media: Russian national team - in step from a complete disqualification


Apparently, Rodchenkov will now give his “revelations” just before the major international launches on the instructions of the American special services.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 13 November 2017 05: 58 New
    16
    Why is this villain still alive? And those in Russia who allowed this?
    1. milling machine
      milling machine 13 November 2017 06: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Why is this villain still alive? And those in Russia who allowed this?

      Well, two leaders died of a heart attack, and the relatives understood that he could be the next and fled from Russia in a hurry.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 November 2017 06: 07 New
        +3
        Mutko and to? Already? Did not hear ....
        Quote: frezer
        Quote: 210ox
        Why is this villain still alive? And those in Russia who allowed this?

        Well, two leaders died of a heart attack, and the relatives understood that he could be the next and fled from Russia in a hurry.
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 13 November 2017 06: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Mutko and to? Already? Did not hear ....
          Quote: frezer
          Quote: 210ox
          Why is this villain still alive? And those in Russia who allowed this?

          Well, two leaders died of a heart attack, and the relatives understood that he could be the next and fled from Russia in a hurry.

          Well, Mutko, it’s high time to wake up carrying bucks. And Rodchenkov’s and in America may “accidentally” lose his heart.
          1. Fight
            Fight 13 November 2017 07: 18 New
            +1
            So he, in my opinion and in the USA, disappeared! .. And the article is nothing! ..
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 13 November 2017 10: 19 New
            0
            Rodchenkov claims that the alleged massive use of doping in Russia was carried out with direct support


            How can one not trust “honest” researchers. They cannot cheat.
    2. Primoos
      Primoos 13 November 2017 06: 37 New
      12
      Quote: 210ox
      Why is this villain still alive? And those in Russia who allowed this?

      Of course, it would be better if he died, but this is not the freak. Not him, so different. Would find the same. This is war. The cowardly and vile war of villains against Russia. Do not be surprised at anything. For them, no baseness is excessive.
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 13 November 2017 07: 25 New
        +9
        Quote: Primoos
        The cowardly and vile war of villains

        I agree. But the most important thing that ALL THIS is aimed at is the 2018 World Cup. I do not want to be a prophet, but wait friends - the provocation will be major. Naglo-Saxons will not accept, it’s in their strategy to destroy everything and everything that’s not under them ... I HATE !!!
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 14 November 2017 22: 49 New
          +2
          Yeah, we fought in the Kremlin at the Olympics in Sochi, dozens of lard greens “sleep your wife”, a luxury resort for officials in Sochi, and they took care of sports victories, so much so that now all confidence in Russian sport all over the world has disappeared. This Rodchenkov was just one of those who did this and not on his own initiative, any sane person understands this. It’s all the more ridiculous how they made him in absentia guilty of everything and declared in interpol. The service comrades simply did not know all the time who were rushing around with bottles of urine around the country, that it was impossible to open the containers with the samples and leave no traces, which was why they burned. And God with those who took doping, they themselves deserved to be disqualified, but after all, the mass of those athletes who did not take anything, thanks to all these, they lost their sports future.
          1. edeligor
            edeligor 15 November 2017 10: 13 New
            0
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            that it is impossible to open containers with samples and leave no traces, on which they burned

            Honestly ... I do not believe it! At one time I went in for sports - so that without my knowledge they would add me to a drug? ...- fiction.
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            dozens of lard greens "sleep wife", a luxury resort for officials in Sochi

            I agree with that! "Servants of the people" in their incarnation, laurels of the Soviet elite are not outlived ...
            1. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 16 November 2017 23: 49 New
              0
              Why unbeknownst then? The task was to get gold and as much as possible. It is one thing when, as in cycling, or athletics, many athletes began to cheat, take doping, contacted high-level professionals in this business who were well paid, but the results brought a lot more money. That is, the athlete is solely responsible for what he does. And I know what a reaction to scammers in sports in the West is, it’s a public disgrace and no one has a thought to make conspiracy victims out of scammers and blame the hell for whom. It’s completely different when all this is done at the state level and I can imagine the pressure that the athletes experienced. On the one hand, refuse such services, but risk less good results and, in turn, get a “cold” attitude of the state (which is creeping in the Russian Federation everywhere). On the other hand, the state gives guarantees that whatever happens, everything will be in chocolate, career, prizes, the future in government agencies and so on. And when everything got out, the authorities and the media controlled by it start a company of excuses and searches for guilt anywhere. Remember the Epo drug, which for a long time was impossible to prove (increased hemoglobin in the blood, which allows you to transport more oxygen in the blood and, in turn, significantly increases endurance), how much this substance ultimately damaged the reputation of professional sports, but thank God the controllers still found ways to detect. What the ministry of sports did 30 years ago was the norm, the country's image was put above fair competition and the health of athletes, the USSR and the German Democratic Republic and the USA distinguished themselves there, but today such behavior is utopian. Apparently, the results in Sochi were so important that then the grass did not grow ..
              1. edeligor
                edeligor 17 November 2017 12: 56 New
                0
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                all this is done at the state level and I can imagine the pressure that the athletes experienced. On the one hand, refuse such services, but risk less good results and, in turn, get a “cold” attitude of the state (which is creeping in the Russian Federation everywhere).

                I do not believe!!! Most likely, you don’t live in Russia, and therefore it seems that “there is a GBShnik in every crack” ... Believe me, they don’t have any sports ... I agree if there is an order from the supreme ... Does the tsar need this ?! Do you think analysts in Russia are plagued? ... Well ...
                What you write with such bitterness and resentment hurts, in many ways I agree with this. I do not agree in one thing - IN THE PRESUMPTION OF GUILTY OF RUSSIA !!!
                I see that you have to do with big sport -
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                scammers in sports in the west, this is a public shame
                Start listing the names of sprinters, cyclists, swimmers, skiers, finally, branded with shame ?! I beg of you!!!!! Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi! So it was .... but that's enough. If the LAW, then it should be the same for everyone! And WADA should do doping, not POLICY !!!
    3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 13 November 2017 07: 59 New
      +5
      Rodchenkova - registered ice ax. And the most interesting is almost no reaction of our sports officials. Actions are needed, even if lawyers can sue WADA. Still arrest the representatives of WADA, who will appear in Russia and try for libel, for losses .... Is it possible that our SVR can not solve such issues.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 November 2017 11: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        Rodchenkova - registered ice ax. And the most interesting is almost no reaction of our sports officials. Actions are needed, even if lawyers can sue WADA. Still arrest the representatives of WADA, who will appear in Russia and try for libel, for losses .... Is it possible that our SVR can not solve such issues.

        "It feels like you are raving" © IWMP ...
        1) the ice ax is certainly great, but there is a nuance: after this, the Russian Federation will be automatically recognized TERRORIST the state
        2) lawsuits filed - the process is ongoing
        3) a) WADA representatives - not fools to travel to Russia
        b) the lawfulness of the arrest for libel is zero, according to part 2,3 of article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (the maximum that can be pulled to them) there is no provision for serving a sentence in prison, so the court will not arrest. Any other actions to keep these persons-illegal, respectively, the Russian Federation will automatically be declared a terrorist state.
        4) Our SVR is slightly sharpened for other tasks, no?

        Z.Y. maybe then we won’t be trifling - and right away, “We’ll bang!” © DMB ...
        fool fool fool
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 13 November 2017 08: 29 New
      +3
      it is surprising that he was not stolen in 15 g, he should already be sitting in a bottle.
      Only SVR and other government agencies can dig up a compromising response.
      Everyone eats and pricks. And only assholes are kicked ..
      in 84 g a friend: "they gave pills before the final (of the Leather Ball)" in Abkhazia held a tournament.
      and all over the world their footballers run faster than ours. (both football players and skiers)
      1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 13 November 2017 08: 40 New
        +1
        And western athletes have medical certificates that they need such a doping drug for health, and not for records.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 13 November 2017 08: 45 New
          0
          only the returning company will stop.
          now private federations are washing their own loot on their own (scandals with the election of basketball are an example), and for them the state structures are too lazy to harness.
          Personally, the GDP can take (appoint its own people; from sambo and judo to football and figure skating ???) the most profitable sports, but everyone needs to be given the opportunity to earn and bear responsibility (until they pull)
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 13 November 2017 09: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: antivirus
        Everyone eats and pricks. And only assholes are kicked ..




        laughing hi
        1. gaura
          gaura 14 November 2017 05: 50 New
          +1
          We said so at the university: "You can write off, you can’t get caught"
    5. SOF
      SOF 14 November 2017 15: 02 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Why is this villain still alive?

      ... and who needs him dead?
      Why this is not the villain obnyuhatsya content scratched bottles and toxic intoxication, all of a sudden, not to be at home? The Israelis, earlier, like teleportation, I remember arranged at times.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 November 2017 06: 00 New
    +9
    I’m saying that it was necessary not to sign up for the soccer world championship in our country! To declare to the whole world that we have changed our minds about hosting it! !! am
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 13 November 2017 06: 12 New
      +2
      They are just waiting for this and even sometimes require transferring to other countries. And where to spend it they will instantly find.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 November 2017 06: 01 New
    +3
    All decisions mok and vada -political order of clean water against Russia.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 November 2017 06: 02 New
      +3
      Yes, it’s clear even to the organizers ... But POLICY, sir!
      Quote: Herkulesich
      All decisions mok and vada -political order of clean water against Russia.
      1. Vard
        Vard 13 November 2017 11: 12 New
        +1
        All this ... because ours are underway ... but for good send to ... mother and begin to conduct their competitions ... the prize pool is good and they will go as nice ... And yet ... that which of Western athletes on what sits ...
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 13 November 2017 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      All decisions mok and vada -political order of clean water against Russia.


      Hey. The main stench on this stream comes from a two-headed snake (USA and "Englishwoman"). and all their efforts to denigrate Russian athletes have one motive - to spoil on the eve of the elections in Russia. Scounds do not shun anything.
  4. Kleber
    Kleber 13 November 2017 06: 06 New
    +1
    Our government is clearly not concerned. Therefore, as always, athletes will suffer.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 November 2017 06: 10 New
      +4
      "Well, you hold on there" ... crying
      Quote: Kleber
      Our government is clearly not concerned. Therefore, as always, athletes will suffer.
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 13 November 2017 06: 55 New
      +3
      But what can they do in real life? as far as I see everything is done purely by the rules. lawyers courts, etc. it’s just all turned into a farce. Well, our courts will win sometime. Well apologize to them, but what's the point? time can not be returned. there are things that are simply unrealistic to win. by and large there are two ways now. the first to send all nafig and leave by ourselves. the second to accept their rules and send people under a neutral flag. at their discretion.
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 13 November 2017 07: 05 New
        0
        Quote: cariperpaint
        But what can they do in real life?


        When you don’t care, nobody will really do it.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 13 November 2017 08: 33 New
          +3
          what to do? bomb their offices? )))) tools the cat cried. so now the world is arranged.
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 13 November 2017 14: 11 New
            +3
            To start, in Russia, the Mundial 2018 will be held .....
            And then to Cuba and the DPRK, several “Iskander-Ms”, and let the wicked pussies scratch themselves ....
          2. ochakow703
            ochakow703 13 November 2017 22: 38 New
            0
            It is strange, unfortunately, the whole world is structured according to Amer’s patterns. Isn't it time to do something about it? Nuuuuu, sue ...
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 13 November 2017 06: 06 New
    14
    The bastard sold for a jar of jam ... hundreds of our athletes suffered because of this bastard ... moreover, he himself slipped dope behind the scenes of our athletes, exposing our country to the scoundrels of WADA ... it already looks like a sabotage ...
    I suppose that Rodchenkov, during his work in RUSADA, was already fulfilling the order of the Anglo-Saxons in this direction, which is why our state was so unprepared to repel the Anglo-Saxon attack from this side.

    Always corrupt creatures inflicted the most severe damage on Russia by their betrayal ... a vivid example of Gorbachev and Kozyrev.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 13 November 2017 06: 37 New
      +6
      Rodchenkov is a "sports Vlasov", even worse ....
      Send a disqualified biathlete with a "little bullet" and he will do everything right ....
    2. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 13 November 2017 08: 47 New
      +9
      I suppose that Rodchenkov, during his work in RUSADA, was already fulfilling the order of the Anglo-Saxons in this direction,

      It was infa that Rodchenkova had been recruited by the striped special services for a long time, and they “helped” him with drugs, disqualification of athletes is one of the ways to “teach these Russians" for Snowden, Syria, and Crimea ......
  6. Basil50
    Basil50 13 November 2017 06: 11 New
    +5
    Disqualification of RUSSIAN athletes will occur mundane and even boring. Well, who negotiates with the blackmailers concessions and other * appeases *?
    Officials from sports, of course, they are respectable and know a lot, but the basis of their activity concerns RUSSIAN sports only in terms of participation in various kinds * of international events * of representatives from sports themselves. Dear in narrow circles, they do not protect athletes in any way. Shy probably.
    Usmanov and Winner present a model of attitude towards athletes and to sports, are forced to invest their own funds, and success is simply amazing. But the rest of the sport? At our expense with you? When will they start working?
    And the fact that the international sports movement painfully incurably became evident and obvious even with Calgary, when the Olympians were settled in a new prison. And it didn’t shock anyone. The Olympic Committee even paid for the construction of the prison as an Olympic village, and even gave the broadcast from the Olympics to the United States.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 13 November 2017 09: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Vasily50
      international sports movement is terminally painful


      By the way, about the "painful" Western athletes ...
      Here’s the cough medicine prescription turned up, which was used somewhere in the 30-40s of the last century:


      Cough syrup: Alcohol, Indian hemp (marijuana), Chloroform, Morphine sulfate - all in proportions ...
      Even in a sports environment was not considered something doping or banned ... what
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 November 2017 12: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        Here’s the cough medicine prescription turned up, which was used somewhere in the 30-40s of the last century:
        - pfe fellow think of the recipe fellow .
        good old soviet "cough tablets"(there are pennies and now, are sold over-the-counter) -
        "The drug is available in the form of tablets. The doctor prescribes the administration of tablets to adult patients for 4 to 6 days, one tablet three times a day. For babies belay "who have not yet reached the age of two, it is better to replace the tablets with the infusion of thermopsis herb.

        List II
        "List of narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances, the circulation of which in the Russian Federation is limited and in respect of which control measures are established in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation and international treaties of the Russian Federation"
        "-Cocaine belay
        - Cocaine hydrochloride
        - Codeine N-oxide
        4-MTA (alpha-methyl-4-methylthiophenethylamine)
        - morphine belay
        - Morphine hydrochloride .....
        "-Pills for coughing. belay belay Ingredients: thermopsis herbs in powder - 0,01 g (0,02 g), codeine - 0,02 g (0,01 g), sodium bicarbonate - 0,2 g, licorice root in powder - 0,2 g
        -Thebain
        Tilidine
        -Trimeperidine (promedol) belay
        Fentanyl belay
        Ethyl morphine belay "

        Earlier, however, only the thermopsis was controlled there, and now they got into codeine. They were part of the old car kit .....
  7. Awaz
    Awaz 13 November 2017 06: 11 New
    +3
    Whatever they say about the conspiracy. However, in the first place, Mutko is to blame for everything. He hired this Radchenko, and he allowed him to do what he did. The fame about him was rushing for a long time, not good, but ... they got it.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 13 November 2017 06: 17 New
      +3
      However, in the first place, Mutko is to blame for everything. He hired this Radchenko, and he allowed him to do what he did.

      So Mutko should be responsible on a par with Rodchenko ... the practice should be the same as in the police.
      For his subordinate is the direct responsibility of his leader ... As soon as the slip eel twisted ... I'm not me and not mine.
      With such a minister, we will lose everything we can.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 13 November 2017 09: 52 New
        +9
        Quote: The same Lech
        However, in the first place, Mutko is to blame for everything. He hired this Radchenko, and he allowed him to do what he did.

        So Mutko should be responsible on a par with Rodchenko ... the practice should be the same as in the police.
        For his subordinate is the direct responsibility of his leader ... As soon as the slip eel twisted ... I'm not me and not mine.
        With such a minister, we will lose everything we can.

        Let’s continue the thought then ... But Mutko, who set the position? I personally have a different mind. Was it really doping or not? If there was, then we should clean ourselves, not spread rot, if all the lies, then punish those guilty of lying. It was by the decision of the Russian courts to catch WAD officials and put them in Russian prisons. And again, we run into a personal decision of a self-knowing one. Such attacks on the Russians should be suppressed in the most severe way, which was not a good thing from now on. They only bend those who allow themselves to bend. Compliance of our authorities is simply amazing. Or maybe the problem is different?
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 13 November 2017 15: 18 New
          +2
          Need a law-not permissible dual citizenship to Russian politicians and their relatives.
        2. Vladimir Sh
          Vladimir Sh 13 November 2017 18: 53 New
          0
          "Russian" "patriot" is now just hard now because he uses such crap like this picture for oligophrenic.
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 13 November 2017 06: 56 New
      0
      At such a pace, Mutko’s parents can be blamed for having given birth to him. all this nonsense. just such a time.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 13 November 2017 07: 28 New
        +1
        At such a pace, Mutko’s parents can be blamed for having given birth to him. all this nonsense. just such a time.


        Well, let's forgive Mutko ... we will give him a reward, a cash prize, a ticket to CANARY for his greatest merits ...

        what and parents then it and it ... them then on which side to this story dear dear ???
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 13 November 2017 08: 37 New
          +1
          Well, probably for the same reason that Mutko fastens this ghoul.) I do not defend him. The body is still muddy. I’m just tired of poking shit into the shit without facts. and there everyone is to blame for the fact. from athletes to functionaries. some guzzle what others will give until the last moment they pretend that everything is fine.
  8. Mussasi
    Mussasi 13 November 2017 06: 15 New
    +3
    Do you really think these charges are not baseless and our athletes do not use dope at all! ? Oh well laughing
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 13 November 2017 06: 26 New
      +3
      Do you really think these charges are not baseless and our athletes do not use dope at all! ? Oh well


      Well, not as much as the manly sisters Williams

      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 13 November 2017 06: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Well, not as much as the manly sisters Williams

        These are the brothers. Williams Brothers.
      2. pvv113
        pvv113 13 November 2017 11: 02 New
        +1
        Well, not as much as the manly sisters Williams

        And the doctor prescribed them wink
    2. raw174
      raw174 13 November 2017 06: 32 New
      +6
      Are you related to professional sports? I had, I will tell you so, today the sport is at such a level that without doping, athletes will not even be able to compete in decent domestic competitions. Be sure all the athletes at the chemistry Olympiad (maybe some kind of Gabon or not). Today, professional sport is a battle of pharmacologists. The same dumbbells, the sport where Russia is the undisputed leader, I myself saw how already at the regional competitions, athletes eat handfuls of pills and give injections, while showing results close to world records. I repeat, doping is used by ALL world sports leaders.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 13 November 2017 06: 43 New
        0
        Are you related to professional sports? I had, I will tell you so, today the sport is at such a level that without doping, athletes will not even be able to compete in decent domestic competitions.


        I didn’t have it ... I don’t have and am not going to have it ... but it doesn’t stop me from having my brains in my head ... as for what you say, well, it’s from Rodchenkov’s same opera ... there are facts and then put them out you can specifically discuss ... otherwise I can say that American and Chinese athletes are eating dope buckets ... I personally saw it on their webcam in their outhouses.
        1. raw174
          raw174 13 November 2017 06: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          lay out the facts and then they can be specifically discussed ...

          I say that I myself saw athletes using pills literally in handfuls. They are participants in international tournaments. I have a very good friend - a multiple world weightlifting champion, I’ve played among veterans in recent years (I won’t give my name, but take my word for it), so he says that today, without doping, they don’t compete in the world if you don’t eat you cannot go beyond your own region. You may not believe me, but it is. Sport is a competition of pharmacologists.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 13 November 2017 07: 03 New
            +2
            I say that I myself saw athletes using pills literally in handfuls.


            We saw the athletes or how they used the pills ... again, these are two big differences ...
            more ... what kind of pills ... (preferably description, composition, dose and time of taking)
            then who prescribed ...
            further as regularly ... and many other questions.

            smile After all, I also saw the Williams sisters putting pills in their mouths and drinking soda with doping liters.
            1. raw174
              raw174 13 November 2017 07: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Have you seen athletes or how they used pills

              I saw how they eat the pills and give an intravenous injection five hours before the competition.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              what kind of pills ... (preferably description, composition, dose and time of taking)

              I won’t tell you the name, about a dozen tablets, they are all different, I don’t know the composition of the injections either, the athletes don’t put out their things, everything is under lock and key ... In a private conversation I asked the coach, he answered evasively, saying that they don’t go to the platform today without chemicals, there will be no result.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 13 November 2017 07: 32 New
                +1
                In a private conversation, he asked the coach, he answered evasively, saying that without chemistry today they will not go to the platform, there will be no result.

                You see ... hi these are all indirect evidence that can be hung on anyone even on me ... they cannot be any convincing evidence for the court.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 13 November 2017 09: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  these are all indirect evidence that can be hung on anyone

                  Yes, I’m just talking about the fact that everyone in sports is messed up, everyone uses it, someone is more cunning, someone pharmacists are more dodgy, they invent drugs that are not defined as doping, but they work, but for someone there is a political order and they implement it. ..
            2. common man
              common man 13 November 2017 08: 09 New
              +4
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I also saw the Williams sisters putting pills in their mouths and drinking soda with doping liters

              Well, dear raw174, he tells you that ALL athletes in the WORLD, and not ALL RUSSIAN athletes, are doping. I heard the same thing. There is another question. Whether or not you take FORBIDDEN drugs. For example, there are two drugs that have the same effect. Only one of them is not yet included in the banned lists, and the other is included. Accepting the first - you will be on the podium, taking the second - is disqualified. And there is already a dependence on, the first which drugs can produce the pharmacology of YOUR country and the second from people who decide which of the drugs to include in the list of banned.
          2. B.T.V.
            B.T.V. 13 November 2017 07: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: raw174
            Sport is a competition of pharmacologists.


            Therefore, Mildronate, as soon as it was banned for athletes, immediately began to advertise on TV.
            1. raw174
              raw174 13 November 2017 09: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: B.T.W.
              Therefore, Mildronate, as soon as it was banned for athletes, immediately began to advertise on TV.

              There are two ways. Immediately after the scandal in the pharmacy it was impossible to buy (an elderly colleague drinks it for several years on the recommendation of doctors), they say the price has risen, although it does not do any miracles. This was the best advertisement, and then the hype subsided and began to play commercials on TV ... If you askarkibinku to add to the list of powerful doping and prohibit it, they will also sweep away ...
              1. your1970
                your1970 13 November 2017 12: 11 New
                +1
                my father took Mildronate (core) back in the 80s and praised
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 13 November 2017 08: 52 New
        +2
        Everyone accepts, but in the shit, they’re only wetting us, so we can NOTHING ANYTHING, even here it’s beautiful to deceive. It’s disqualified - you don’t have to pay money to the IOC, although the Americans compensate, in short, we have no choice, just let me scrape off ourselves and babble something back.
        1. raw174
          raw174 13 November 2017 10: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Kent0001
          Everyone accepts, but in the shit, they’re only wetting us, which means we can NOTHING ANYTHING

          It’s not that we cannot because weaklings, the fact is that all these international institutions were initially established as pro-Western, this is not our field, we won’t win on it. Here either play by their rules, or not play at all.
    3. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 13 November 2017 07: 01 New
      +1
      and who is arguing? sports of the highest achievements without this, in principle, is not possible. it’s just like a dollar. who prints the rules and can change as he wants and spit on them at all. our world is changing rapidly and will soon be in all areas. there are no more rules.
    4. Awaz
      Awaz 13 November 2017 19: 22 New
      0
      Duck already personally, then no one is accused of doping. Evidence has not been gathered. Now some are accused of violating anti-doping rules. And also a new feature. The authorities of the Russian Federation and Mutko, with his gang, are accused of falsification at the state level. There is no evidence either, but the noise makes everyone happy.
      Lungov, took illegal drugs for medical reasons, as all Scandinavians do, that is, legally. And even the ski federation cannot disqualify him, because there is no evidence. There is hysteria from the IOC. By the way, this IOC is not responsible for anything and if the athletes are forbidden to speak, they will not bear any financial responsibility and it is impossible to bring them to court with compensation for losses. But a ski or biathlon federation can be attracted to such garbage. Therefore, although they squeal, they are unproven to ban piss. However, since the authorities and athletes of the Russian Federation do not press these offices, I am sure that they will also become insolent soon
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 November 2017 06: 16 New
    +1
    I think they will not remove, s @ piss!
    So, election trolling.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 November 2017 06: 19 New
      +1
      Whom? Or what?
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      I think they will not remove, s @ piss!
      So, election trolling.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 13 November 2017 06: 36 New
      +1
      I think they will not remove, s @ piss!
      So, election trolling.


      You need to be prepared for any scenario ... and above all for the worst.
      Sport has turned into politics ... the Olympics has become a means of pressure on a rebellious country, now it is completely obvious ... keep in mind that all the leading positions in international sports structures are occupied mainly by Anglo-Saxons and they will all be sawing our country as a team ... therefore we are rebellious Russian ... because the Anglo-Saxons have always suffered and suffer from a severe form of Russophobia.
  10. raw174
    raw174 13 November 2017 06: 23 New
    14
    It is necessary to refuse to participate in the olympiads, before the completion of the proceedings, with the obligatory withdrawal from all programs of financial participation of the IOC, WADA, etc. The released money should be sent to conduct internal competitions and compensation to athletes for non-participation.
  11. Said
    Said 13 November 2017 06: 25 New
    +2
    Do not zasut remember Brazil.
  12. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 13 November 2017 06: 39 New
    10
    so stop financing these WADA and the Olympic bureaucracy already - all the rules will become right away. in PACE they stopped paying money - they immediately began to look for reasons to “return”. in the west, everything depends on the loot.
  13. anjey
    anjey 13 November 2017 06: 44 New
    +3
    the dirty politics of the West smears with its feces all the pure principles of the Olympic movement and discredits it ...., there is no limit to the idiocy of politicians ....
  14. Altona
    Altona 13 November 2017 07: 50 New
    +5
    Well, if the IOC and WADA want to hit Russia, then they will open Pandora's box again. Because when you can eliminate competitors by political methods, you also want to continue. And such a furry animal is already getting close to the Chinese team, claims to to the Chinese. This is a fight for sponsors, for some sort of loot. Having violated Olympic principles, where sport is outside politics, the IOC itself will tarnish itself. Maybe today we will suffer, and everything goes to this, but the Olympics will already be a custom show of traders. When the pros were allowed to the Olympics, the Olympic spirit died. I think we need to suspend payments to the IOC and WADA, not to buy broadcasts for competitions where we are discriminated against. As for the "neutral" athletes, let them go, but I will not watch them, since they represent themselves. By the way, without our hockey team the Olympics will turn into a farce.
  15. Million
    Million 13 November 2017 07: 53 New
    +4
    Putin has always had big problems with HR policy
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 13 November 2017 08: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Million
      Putin has always had big problems with HR policy

      This has long been the case with the managing elite of Russia - there is no stability. That "king" is not the one, the boyars are not the same ... Probably a tradition. Due to problems with personnel in the right place and at the right time, the USSR collapsed.
      1. Million
        Million 13 November 2017 09: 26 New
        +5
        No wonder they said: Cadres decide everything!
  16. zoolu350
    zoolu350 13 November 2017 08: 09 New
    +6
    I recall that WADA tried to run into China, but the CCP is not a miserable oligarch of the Russian Federation, which is only capable of tearing its citizens away and the MOB of China quickly "calmed down" the situation.
  17. cedar
    cedar 13 November 2017 08: 23 New
    +5
    The process of isolating Russia under various pretexts and in different areas is gaining momentum. There is no such meanness on which the impudent Saxons would not have gone to achieve their goals. The main goal is to remove Putin and Russia from their path to world domination. In December, an elected company begins ...
    Get ready, dear. The sleeping ones are awakened ... it will not be hot in the winter ...
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 13 November 2017 11: 49 New
      0
      Quote: cedar
      Get ready, dear. The sleeping ones are awakened ... it will not be hot in the winter ...

      Well, if the sleeping people are awakened, then we, as they say do not take a nap and will be vigilant :)
  18. Zebus
    Zebus 13 November 2017 08: 28 New
    +4
    What was once called the Olympic (football, etc., necessary to emphasize) movement in its pure form has died a long time ago!
    According to some estimates, about 600 lard of American money is spinning only in the Olympic system ...
    Now, watch your hands, the legal regulation (first of all, jurisdiction) in the Olympic sports system is completely absent ...
    Attention, the question: "If sanctions, etc. do not have a special effect on Russia, as a state system, how then can it be hooked ???"
    The answer, I think, is clear! Moreover, the issue of sports victories can, in one way or another, blow up the situation in the country ...
  19. bald
    bald 13 November 2017 08: 46 New
    +2
    --- “Today Rodchenkov is in the USA and plays the role of a pseudo-whistleblower under the frank cap of the American intelligence services.” --- It is not harmful to dream, but to catch this villain in the states and use some kind of muck. Well, then declare it to be usable.
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 13 November 2017 14: 20 New
      0
      try to take it if it’s under the hood. of course, if there is some kind of scumbag like Mercador ready to serve a quarter century at least well then .....
      1. bald
        bald 13 November 2017 15: 35 New
        0
        They will not take care of it for a long time, it will work out its own, but no one canceled the wine that he did.
  20. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 13 November 2017 08: 52 New
    +4
    And why should Russian athletes, instead of making excuses and humiliations: “Well, let us go” do what the Soviet athletes did — boycott this event. Unfortunately this will not happen since now sport is a show business. And where there is money, conscience and morality are silent.
    1. raw174
      raw174 13 November 2017 10: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      And why should Russian athletes instead of excuses and humiliations: “Well, let us go” do what the Soviet athletes did - boycott this event.

      So I personally also wrote for this, above. But for an athlete it’s a blow below the waist ... People go to the Olympics all their lives, put their health, life, families on the altar in order to compete in the most significant competition in the world, and abandon the goal a stone's throw from the meanness of politicians ... For my part - YES, refusal, honor and all that, and athletes will think three times ... many will leave the country, to the same Belarus and Kazakhstan ...
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Unfortunately this will not happen since now sport is a show business.

      In the USSR, the athlete was not so free to decide, yet the party’s word decided a lot and it was more difficult to leave, then the family and relatives would remain, and now please, everyone is free ...
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 13 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +1
        and if you continue to crawl when you are in the tail and in the mane - this happiness will not be. The sportsmen must decide together - they are for the money or for the homeland.
        1. raw174
          raw174 14 November 2017 06: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: AwaZ
          The sportsmen must decide together - they are for the money or for the homeland.

          They (the majority) are more likely for themselves, first of all, the athlete wants to show that HE IS THE BEST, everyone wants to hang a piece of yellow metal on his neck. I do not blame those who are ready to speak under a neutral flag, those who, having put their whole lives for one purpose, have become hostages of politics. Athletes are far from international politics, they want to fight, they want to win in the sports arena ...
          I repeat, I am for refusing to participate, for funding, but I also understand the athletes who leave the country or go under a neutral flag ...
  21. Dead duck
    Dead duck 13 November 2017 09: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Solomon Kane
    "to teach these Russians a lesson" and for

    health hi
    They always try to "teach a lesson" to us .... from time immemorial ...
    Many have already forgotten the 80 Olympics ...
    What is most interesting, the stavins themselves send this wada to hell ...
  22. Ural resident
    Ural resident 13 November 2017 09: 50 New
    +2
    Once mumbled in response - now they will constantly kick.
    They will definitely play this card - a good trump card for the elections.
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 13 November 2017 11: 17 New
      0
      It was necessary to "caliber" and "iskander" in the center of the Olympic Commission to give a little breath to let them know - are there any jokes with us, or do you see the possible answer in an arc ??
  23. Old military officer
    Old military officer 13 November 2017 11: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
    Rodchenkova - registered ice ax.

    It will be greasy, tea is not Trotsky. A personal seven-enema enema, just in profile.
  24. Rash
    Rash 13 November 2017 11: 12 New
    0
    So he had stated all this before. What's new?
  25. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 13 November 2017 11: 14 New
    +1
    We don’t need the Olympics, we’ll better conduct our tank biathlon and army games.
  26. bk316
    bk316 13 November 2017 11: 44 New
    +5
    Here everyone debates what our government can do.
    I think the GDP (together with the Duma) can do for this and other similar things (such as the abduction of our citizens) one, but very important thing.
    You just need to copy 2 paragraphs from the USA into the legislation:
    1. The unconditional primacy of national legislation over international.
    2. Unlimited jurisdiction of the Russian legislative system.

    Further, each department, each PMC and private security company are already cutting their own ice axes.
    And after a couple of congressmen are exchanged for Buta and Voloshin, all countries will be more careful.
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 November 2017 12: 19 New
      0
      Quote: bk316
      2. Unlimited jurisdiction of the Russian legislative system.
      "Technically, how do you imagine this? Your slogan is:" From tomorrow we’ll judge where you want, who you want, what you want !! ” to embody how? A blow to Warsaw (unprincipled: who first blies-and beat) nuclear? or AUG send to the shores of Switzerland belay or Austria? Or will we freeze the bank accounts of American congressmen in Sberbank?
      fool
      1. bk316
        bk316 13 November 2017 14: 29 New
        +2
        or will we freeze the bank accounts of American congressmen at Sberbank?

        No, we’ll just take these congressmen out during their visit in 404 and after the trial in the Basmanny court for life in the white swan.
        Well, if the sentence is death, then you can choke on a piece of meat, but it’s not necessary to bring the sentences publicly, that’s how few people still know how to slap the bastard of laden.
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 November 2017 15: 44 New
          0
          Quote: bk316
          No, we’ll just take these congressmen out during their visit in 404 and after the trial in the Basmanny court for life in the white swan.
          Well, if the sentence is death, then you can choke on a piece of meat, but it’s not necessary to bring the sentences publicly, that’s how few people still know how to slap the bastard of laden.
          - you are apparently very confusing the Russian Federation and the United States whose influence is still much more significant than that of the Russian Federation ... You are our kradun ...
          Think - why under Stalin / and later in the USSR exclusively in their For former fellow citizens the ice ax / bullet / injection worked ??
          Just think for a second ...

          You know: why Iran is sitting on trillions of dollars - but can not a cent of them be spent ?? And technically, this can be repeated with any country in the world - if the United States had the desire ....
  27. Altona
    Altona 13 November 2017 11: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Million
    Putin has always had big problems with HR policy

    ---------------------------------
    Stalin had problems with personnel. There are no ideal people in ideal circumstances.
  28. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 13 November 2017 12: 25 New
    +1
    In fact, there is only one single tool of influence - this is the campaign .. for many years to come to discredit the mok .. you ... (if it is easier to say - who is not with us, then against us). And it should be led until the Olympic movement is completely destroyed (by any means ... they are ... there would have been a desire) ... and the creation of another organization from scratch on our own terms. This is war. There are no half measures in a war.
  29. Gvfrog
    Gvfrog 13 November 2017 12: 36 New
    +1
    Maybe I’m wrong about something, but all these scandals, it’s not important about doping, violation of someone’s rights, infringement of any freedoms, all these are links of the same chain of bullying Russia, all this has happened more than once during not decades, but centuries .... the world gendarme is replaced by either the Russian Empire or the USSR, or simply Russia. All these links of one incessant war of the impudent Saxons with the Slavic world, well, the gentlemen are not restrained by the fact that such wealth went to subhumans, and let all our liberals and shit-democrats not think that the uncles of the bourgeois will give them a barrel of jam and a box of cookies for what they screaming to the tune of Westerners, all these champions of democracy are waiting for the fate of RTI No. 2, I repeat for our Western "partners" we Slavs are only white Negroes and therefore, we need to clean up our living space. And because these comrades understand only the language of power, to calm all the attacks can be quite simple. The algorithm of actions looks something like this: the first to declare America withdrew from the RMND agreement, which means we are resuming the release of Pioneers. NATO troops infringe on the rights of hedgehogs in Europe, then we deploy missiles along the western borders of Russia, the second after the resumption of the release of the "Pioneers" to announce the tests with a start from the territory of Russia and a fall into the Black Sea during firing, an error will occur and because I emphasize that on this product three heads, one accidentally falls on the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the second on the administration of the President of Ukraine, and the third on the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, after which Russian diplomats at the UN terribly apologize to the world community in the style of L. Kuchma, as in the story with TU- 154 over the Black Sea “yes, a tragedy doesn’t happen to anyone” and the third to announce the forthcoming training firing from the ARPKSN in the Pacific, then they will begin to listen to diplomats and forget about the athletes, and LDNR will immediately become independent.
  30. Altona
    Altona 13 November 2017 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: GVFrog
    The algorithm of actions looks something like this: the first to declare that America withdrew from the RMND agreement, which means that we are resuming the release of Pioneers. NATO troops infringe on the rights of hedgehogs in Europe, then we place missiles along the western borders of Russia, the second after the resumption of the release of "Pioneers" to announce tests with a start from Russian territory

    ---------------------------------
    In general, it would be necessary to troll the Anglo-Saxons with weapons for a long time, only ours are afraid of everything in the spirit of "we are for world peace." It is possible to conduct nuclear tests and declare the presence of "ultra-clean compact nuclear weapons", and there are many ways, both military and diplomatic. But only the United States is the womb of the entire capitalist world, and our capitalists are her relatives, albeit unloved babies. And who dares to spit in the center of capitalism? That's the same, therefore there will only be deflections, excuses, references to "international law".
  31. 1536
    1536 13 November 2017 14: 17 New
    +1
    “... the Russian national team is“ one step away from disqualification. ”" Calm, only calm ... Olympic calm. Well, what really can be done? Unless to organize a curling tournament on Red Square. It seems that some kind of collective “General Vlasov” is acting in the sport, inviting all athletes to the five-ring banner of the Olympic Committee. And the hypothetical slogan is ready: "A country without doping, a flag and an anthem!"
  32. Sergey53
    Sergey53 13 November 2017 17: 02 New
    +2
    They will not let go of this goat alive. Facts will appear as needed and what you want. Or more precisely: "Which ones are needed?"
  33. Awaz
    Awaz 13 November 2017 19: 37 New
    +1
    The behavior of the Russian authorities looks very shameful. They do not fully respect themselves or athletes or the country. I'm not even talking about the fact that for a long time everyone was supposed to be dragged through the courts for unsubstantiated charges, or to recognize all the jambs and agree.
    Apparently, against most athletes, there is no evidence, with the rare exception of those whom Radchenko and Mutko fed, not in the literal sense, but ... Those who really got caught must be fired along with those who fed. I understand that everyone is eating muck, but most do it "right" according to WADA laws.
    And also, if absolutely no evidence is presented. For example, for state participation in the falsifications, you must first start the WADA by the courts and who with them, drag and refuse to participate in the competition yourself until you show evidence and prove all sins through the court ... You can skip the Olympics. The show has long lost its meaning.
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 13 November 2017 20: 09 New
    +1
    In this case, it is not the American position that they imposed on WADA and the IOC, but ours that is surprising. Why are they silent about the permitted doping for Americans? Why the question is not raised at all in the courts. Everything looks so much like a bargain backstage, you don’t even have to be a witness
  35. Brigadier
    Brigadier 13 November 2017 23: 37 New
    0
    "Apparently, Rodchenkov will now give out his" disclosures "just before major international starts on the instructions of the American intelligence services."
    It’s interesting, but where our special services look, is it really that no one there can present him an “olive tree” in the original packaging? Something is not believed. Or in our special services everything is rotten to such an extent that there is nowhere else ... Judging by the living ub-people-ku, this is quite possible ...
    In China, there is a special service that returns home stealing bureaucrats or traitors who managed to escape abroad, or in extreme cases eliminates them.
    Well, this is in China ... recourse
    1. your1970
      your1970 14 November 2017 12: 14 New
      0
      and a lot of them soaked, who managed to escape ??
      With the average 3 executions in DAY - there should be many fugitives !!
      Or not?
  36. Brigadier
    Brigadier 13 November 2017 23: 44 New
    0
    Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
    This has long been the case with the managing elite of Russia - there is no stability. That "king" is not the one, the boyars are not the same ...

    Yeah. That grenades they have the wrong system ... lol
  37. White53
    White53 14 November 2017 11: 04 New
    0
    Isn’t it time to introduce Rodchenkov to an ice ax (like Trotsky) ?!