Everything is very bad: the general spoke about the prospects of the United States in the war with North Korea

In the event of the outbreak of an armed conflict with the DPRK, the US military will be in a very difficult situation on the Korean Peninsula because of the superiority of North Korean troops in numbers, warned the former deputy commander of the US contingent in Korea Jen-Marc Juas.

A letter from a retired Lieutenant General to several Democratic Party members of the US Congress was published by Rep. Ted Lew. According to Jouas, in the event of a sudden outbreak of conflict, the American contingent of 28 500 military personnel, as well as South Korean troops, will find themselves in a situation in which the enemy will have "tremendous numerical superiority."

Unlike all conflicts since the days of the Korean War, we will not have the opportunity to build strength before the outbreak of hostilities.

The general warned. In addition, the delivery of reinforcements, ammunition and equipment in such conditions will take up to several months, and the bases on which they will concentrate before being sent to the front line can be attacked by conventional or chemical weapons.

Juas also noted that the destruction of North Korean missiles and artillery systems that threaten 25-million Seoul will take considerable time, even in ideal conditions. During this period, they will have time to cause enormous damage, the general said. He described the option in which the Americans succeed in the first blow to destroy the nuclear potential of the DPRK as "extremely unlikely."
The possible use of the DPRK chemical and nuclear weapons will also impede the defense of South Korea and the evacuation of civilians from the conflict zone. Among other threats to US troops, Juas cited North Korean special forces, which would open the "second front" in the rear of the Americans, the submarine fleet of the DPRK and the cyber attacks of North Korean hackers on troop control systems, reports RIA News.

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[newcomer]

well, at least one in the minds of the Yankees generals.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: newbie

well, at least one in the minds of the Yankees generals.

Yes, he is not conscious, but simply retired.

[newcomer]

this is the highlight.

[Jedi]

Garik, welcome! The thing is that while a person is in office, he cannot say anything that does not correspond to the line of the department. And after receiving the prefix “ex,” they begin to express their personal opinion, unless, of course, they are connected by non-disclosure subscriptions.

[newcomer]

hello Maxim! all right. but after all, they are like brows, they push Trump's inability to loop, to the delight of Senate elders with Congress and Mount Koreans.

[Going]

Greetings to honest people! , before there were qualified personnel and soberly assessed the situation, this still sparing picture painted.

[79807420129]

Quote: Going

previously there were qualified personnel and soberly assessed the situation,

Unfortunately Victor, they either died or resigned, who worked against the USSR, it was a worthy opponent

Paul Craig Roberts: "We won’t win any war ever"
“Growing up in the second half of the 20th century, I don’t recognize my country today. I lived in a normal country, and now I live in a crazy country.” © Paul Craig Roberts “It is embarrassing to be an American. In our country, four presidents in a row are military criminals. Clinton twice launched military operations against Serbia, ordering NATO to bomb the former Yugoslavia in 1995 and 1999, so Bill is a war criminal twice. George W. Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, and attacked the provinces of Pakistan and Yemen from the air That means four war crimes are on Bush’s account. Obama used NATO to destroy Libya and sent mercenaries to destroy Syria, thus committing two war crimes. Trump attacked Syria with US forces, therefore, became a war criminal at the very beginning of his regime. It becomes embarrassing to be an American . "© Paul Craig Roberts

By the way, Trump would not hurt to learn from him, because Trump's idol Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts:

[Going]

Yes, Vladimir, I read all his latest publications - a worthy, smart opponent, he can’t even be called an enemy, I especially liked when he described the situation with electricity in his house and he felt very sad.

[Jedi]

Trump is not made with a finger - it is not so easy to bend.

[newcomer]

I hope, Maxim, I hope. and I also hope that the skirmish of Eun / Trump is saturated with a picture of a harrater. the long-suffering people of the North still deserve a normal life.

[Jedi]

This morning I already wrote about this: from the theatricality of the confrontation, Eun Trump directly blows a secret conspiracy.

[newcomer]

Max, your words to the Lord’s ears! I'm all for it.

[The black]

We will destroy you, we will erase you from the face of the earth, we are so, we are that way ... But suddenly it turned out that this fatty Una has quite decent eggs, and it is not easy to intimidate him. And the huge, omnipotent America, which, according to the theory of American litter, bends everyone, suddenly was blown away .... All other countries have a note: this is how we should talk with the USA

[Jedi]

Quote: Black

All other countries, note: this is how you need to talk with the United States

I agree with you. But the trouble is - not all countries have nuclear weapons to afford such a tone.

[zoolu350]

The Russian Federation has so many nuclear weapons that the entire "golden billion" together with the Fed owners can be multiplied by 0 without straining, but we can only see the bleating of the Russian oligarchy with its eternal concerns or "you won’t get rid of tomatoes."

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Black

that this fatty Una has pretty decent eggs

There was an elephant in the zoo, lately it went blacker than clouds - no one could cheer or cheer up. Even the announcement was given. here a plain-looking peasant comes and says, “a thousand bucks and I will amuse him.” The administration is shocked but agree. They run into the aviary, that one approaches the elephant and whispers something in his ear. The elephant begins to laugh wildly, the man leaves, receives his "greens" and disappears.
An elephant neighs a day, two, a week. The administration is in shock! He is looking for that man, they advertised in the newspaper ... He comes, they say he would do something, because he will die with laughter. He agrees ... For a thousand "green" Tugriks. Administrations have nothing to do, they agree.
A peasant enters the cage and takes off his pants. The elephant lowers its head and the laughter disappears ...
The administration is in shock, they approach a man who has left the enclosure and ask what he has done.
He replies that when they asked for the first time, he went up to the elephant and said in his ear: "I bet I have more eggs?" And now just showed ....

[Esoteric]

Quote: Jedi

Trump is not made with a finger - it is not so easy to bend.

Delan Nepalese, and is the president of the United States? Here Hitler, there was no corporal, but he bent all over Europe and barely reached the sponsors ...
In the confrontation between the DPRK and the United States, two sides are considered: one is trying to maintain its right to exist by demonstrating fists in the ring, not leaving the ropes, the other is trying to maintain its dominance in the world by demonstrating fists, running around the ring, not daring to step over the ropes, to grapple with a worthy adversary

[Kent0001]

Nobody is pushing trump anywhere. He is the talking head of the US shadow government. There condoms (just like that) have not solved anything for a long time.
And yet, Americans from Koreans are already writing, and they are trying to run into us ...

[The_lancet]

In the event of an armed conflict with the DPRK, the US military will be in a very difficult situation on the Korean Peninsula due to the superiority of North Korean forces in numbers

No one said it was easy. If the military cannot hold back. Then samsung goodbye

[newcomer]

I’m talking about your crazy generals with a pentogram chief, oh pentagon, who cheerfully report about their readiness to dust the DPRK.

[97110]

Quote: The_Lancet

Then samsung goodbye

That bitten apple is upset ...

[Prisoner]

That they have such a crown, in the service of the brains are turned off, as in the resignation so "on." Practical people, I must say.

[Galleon]

Rather, it’s not “practical”, but cheap.

[Shura Perm]

DPRK, this is not Iraq for you, there the people are fierce from young to great

[svp67]

Quote: newbie

well, at least one in the minds of the Yankees generals.

All who are conscious of them, those are already retired. And this is more like trying to explain the impending big losses.

[newcomer]

Well, maybe even such letters will cool the Yankees warrior. unless of course they want to “filter out” their surplus warriors.

[Monos]

Quote: newbie

and cyber attacks by North Korean hackers on command and control systems

Quote: newbie

well, at least one in the minds of the Yankees generals.

Which, to the devil, is "conscious"! He is seriously talking about the "cyber attacks of Korean hackers."

[newcomer]

as I understood from the essence of the letter, this fragment is only an appendage to the main picture - a tribute to fashion.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Monos

He seriously talks about the "cyber attacks of Korean hackers"

And this is really serious. I remember, they very famously put Sony Pictures because of the “wrong movie”. And along the way they dragged a bunch of information.

[siberalt]

What can I say. The meaning of victory is when troops occupy enemy territory and establish their power. Let them try to do this with the DPRK

[RASKAT]

Well, if we take the experience of past wars with the participation of the United States, they also largely crush the enemy with aviation and cruise missiles. Suppose that the DPRK does not have nuclear weapons and that things will come to a conventional war, as in Syria. And their cr. US missiles will destroy the stationary positions of Korean air defense. There are still mobile ones, there are S-75, there are Buki, there are ARROW-10 and, about the horror, about 10 MANPADS are analogues of our Arrow-000. There are also anti-ship missiles, and airplanes. Yes, all are obsolete, but about a hundred of them are MIG-2. Since in the Middle East with barmalei it is unlikely to succeed in bombing with impunity. Where are you damn scampering, sit and do not twitch.

[siberalt]

You did not mention a very significant fact. Before the bombing, the United States bribes the elite (or part of it) of the state that they intend to bomb. The application of this practice began to be widely applied after the defeat in Vietnam.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: newbie

well, at least one in the minds of the Yankees generals.

will announce the Kremlin’s hand !!

[papas-57]

They are all smart when retired. When in the service, they carry out the orders of those who do not appear in the war, but will sit in the deep rear.

[Sergey53]

Their left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. Theater of the absurd.

[Prisoner]

Come on! I wouldn’t have known that the whole world wouldn’t have started a green candy wrapper. Everybody knows. Just spoiled in recent years, they decided that God was taken for a beard. And then they will pay.

[Black_Vatnik]

Everything is just like that. Just give an excuse, Seoul will turn into dust in an hour.
From this it was even funnier to watch when the mattresses wanted Eun to take a show off with their slogans.

[Gml]

During this period they will have time to cause enormous damage.

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: gml

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

Nah! He is not American, to destroy hospitals and weddings. He nae ... (well, you understand) according to your brave zoldat.

[Gml]

Quote: kirgiz58

Nah!

What the shit. Here the general says. Does it say so or not?

[kirgiz58]

That yours will come back, the general correctly said. But here is what Eun peacefully hit at the point you added, and this is fundamentally wrong. ALWAYS peaceful Americans kill. Is Songmy familiar?

[AUL]

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

Why does he need this? After all, he is not a jot, in the first place, he will hammer on the troops and industrial potential. Well, of course, at the same time he will fall into peace, where would it be without this!

[97110]

Quote: kirgiz58

according to your brave zoldatam.

What about them? New hired for the promise of citizenship. The main thing is to organize Pearl Harbor. To open financing. Congress, he is such a senate ...

[APASUS]

Quote: gml

During this period they will have time to cause enormous damage.

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

Will the Americans aim exclusively at the military?

[Gml]

will aim exclusively at the military?

And he would know, he would not say. The General Staff is not consulting with me.

[APASUS]

Quote: gml

will aim exclusively at the military?

And he would know, he would not say. The General Staff is not consulting with me.

Why would he consult with you?

[Gml]

Quote: APASUS

Why would he consult with you?

I say, they are not advised. I suppose yes.

[97110]

Quote: gml

And he would know, he would not say. The General Staff is not consulting with me.

Read the newspaper. Really the electorate is not informed that it is an army, it is such a salvation army that it does not have cartridges either. Something just falls sometimes from the B-52. As in 45 with the B-29. But this is not for the Japanese. It is they themselves. Even twice.

[Prisoner]

Yours will also break them, do not go to a fortuneteller. It is also safer.

[Going]

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

And you do not meddle and will not hit anyone, everything is very simple.

[Kerensky]

No one doubts that Eun will be the first to deal with the civilian population.

Eun will hit everything he can reach. Yes, Seoul will fall, and South Korea should take this into account.
The days of noble knights are over! And the Americans, too, should not really rely on the fact that Eun will be hitting strictly on military bases.

[Gale]

in the event of the outbreak of armed conflict with the DPRK, the US military will be in a very difficult situation on the Korean Peninsula due to the superiority of North Korean forces in numbers
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come on? In South Korea, the population is twice as large as in North (plus American troops), but according to this general, the northerners will crush the southerners in numbers, as it is hard to believe)
The only reason North Korea still lives in the world (exists) is China, the elder brother at hand, who will not stay away from state aggression. This is well understood in the United States, and therefore is limited only to verbal threats.

[dog breeder]

Korean People's Army (Cor. 조선 인민군, Joseon Inmingun) - The Army of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The KPA includes: Ground Forces, Air Force and Air Force, Navy, since 2012 - Strategic Missile Forces, and also from 2017 - Special Tactical Troops. The total number of personnel in the army is, according to various estimates, from 850 to 1200 thousand people. In the reserve there are about 4 million people. A mobilization reserve of 000 million people, mobilization resources of 000 million people, and fit for military service 4,7 million people. The overwhelming majority of troops are located in the area of ​​the Demilitarized Zone on the border with South Korea. Since after the end of the Korean War in 6,2 the country is in a state of temporary ceasefire, the armed forces are in constant combat readiness, periodically conducting various kinds of minor operations against opponents of the DPRK. This is so, for a second. Moreover, North Korea will mobilize so quickly that its opponents are unlikely to be able to properly respond to it.

[Gale]

so for a second:

According to estimates published in the open military press, the mobilization resources of South Korea amount to 14,2 million people. (including 9 million fit for military service), and North Korea - 6,2 million people. (including 3,7 million fit for military service). Total: while in terms of population the South is twice as much as the North, then in mobilization resources in general it is 2 times, and in suitable military service it is already 2,29 times.

If we evaluate the economic potential of the parties, then the picture is as follows. If we compare the aggregate indicators of GDP at exchange rates of currencies and at purchasing power parity (PPP), then the ratio of the opposing parties is as follows. If we take the nominal GDP for 2010, then in the South it is 35,2 times more, and if calculated according to PPP, for example, in 2011, we can see a 38,9-fold superiority!

The most important characteristic of the economic potential in terms of the overall military-economic potential is also the volume of industrial production, the level of infrastructure development, and foreign exchange reserves. Here the situation for the DPRK is even more deplorable.
Thus, Pyongyang yields 46,1 times less in steel production, and 1068 times less in automobile production. Another major indicator is energy. Pyongyang is 10 times inferior in terms of installed capacity in the electric power industry, and 20 times less in terms of electricity production. Both countries import oil, namely oil products - a key fuel in modern civil transport and military equipment: the North imports oil in a volume less than 226 times. This is not surprising, because the total volume of DPRK foreign trade is 212 times less.

[voyaka uh]

Who cares about boring numbers?
The main thing, according to the majority: patriotism and faith in a leader. And modern weapons, industry, finance - somehow with a bayonet and a grenade ....

[Fayter2017]

The main thing is to lie under the owner in time, forgetting about your national pride, like the Japanese, what else can you do for access to the US markets? It is possible to treat terrorists, as the owner says so vassal and yapping, the main thing is the shop average citizen, he ate well and slept sweetly, but would he think of the government that he chose?

[Großer feldherr]

And what is the use of several million cannon fodder?
With a sapper blade against cruise missiles, bombers and modern tanks .... this will not be a war, but a massacre.
All hope for nuclear weapons, but not everything is smooth, unlike Russia or China, the DPRK is a tiny country, the entire territory of which is immediately blocked by American aviation, and dozens of Aegis destroyers and ballistic missiles will simply not let the ballistic missiles fly off the coastal waters.

[Vadim237]

With the DPRK, it will be the same as what has become with Iraq, the United States will be much easier, since the territory of the DPRK is three times smaller than Iraq - everything is in plain view and there is essentially no air defense.

[Großer feldherr]

Will not be:
a) North Korea has nuclear weapons and even a delivery vehicle (not guaranteed, of course, but still)
b) on the border, a multi-million dollar Seoul, a prosperous and prosperous South Korea will do everything possible so that there is no war, for them it is a risk of losing everything.
c) North Korea has China nearby, yes, relations with it are not the most rosy now, but interests coincide, China will also do everything possible to prevent America from strengthening in the region.

[Evgenijus]

GaLe:

... the northerners will crush the southerners by number, as it is hard to believe)

You can make an amendment - the southerners will drown in the ocean. Southerners where to run then? Around water and waves. Hundreds of thousands of corpses of drowned men are wound on the screws of American warships, disrupting the delivery of assistance to the army of southerners. And in the event of an attack, the northerners can also dump into China by breaking through the border. After all, refugees ...

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Gale In South Korea, the population is twice as large as in North (plus American troops), but according to this general, the northerners will crush the southerners in numbers

Google the strength and combat strength of the KPA and the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan .... US troops in the South Caucasus 28 thousand people ....
The fact that the population in the South Caucasus is almost twice as large will prove to be a big drawback for the units and parts of the GO of the Republic of Kazakhstan .... gee ...

[Egorovich]

Clear and bright heads and mattresses are.

[Going]

Quote: Egorovich

Clear and bright heads and mattresses are.

Unfortunately, every day less and less.

[Egorovich]

One clear head for striped is already a lot. Immediately become an agent of Putin.

[Going]

They now have a situation in relation to Russia, as in the middle of the last century to the USSR, but then what were the personnel, and now?

[Egorovich]

And now, in principle, nothing has changed. Yes, Russia is weaker than the USSR, but mattress is not a player on our territory and will never climb here. It will be a dirty trick, which she always did, but no more.

[Sergio3986]

Quote: newbie

generals

They all have a consciousness when they retire. It may be too categorical, but if the Yankees want to start a war, then they will not look at either the South or the North Koreans.

[newcomer]

I hope your comment has read gml, because the Yankees of the killer are too fluffy in his view, that is, bandits in uniform.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sergio3986

They all have a consciousness when they retire.

they have civil servants seats infected !!!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Unlike all conflicts since the days of the Korean War, we will not have the opportunity to build strength before the outbreak of hostilities.

Key phrase of the article ....
The 2-th AP of the U.S. Army and the headquarters of the 8-th PA will not be able to increase the combat potential of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan ...

Allegedly, the main burden of the fighting will fall on the South Korean military. Their number totals 650 thousand people, 3 million are in reserve. US forces are represented by 30 thousand soldiers. US Marine Corps units may be deployed from Okinawa.
The DPRK will seek to seize as much territory as possible while the United States is engaged in the transportation of reinforcements. It is believed that the North Korean army will use tunnels dug under the demilitarized zone, which will make it possible to overcome the minefields and penetrate the territory of the South. One of them, discovered by South Koreans, had a carrying capacity of 20 thous. Troops per hour. According to one of the versions, the DPRK army will not try to seize Seoul, instead it will bypass and isolate it, while developing operations in the depths of the peninsula. If the troops still enter Seoul, this will result in major problems for the United States, since for the first time it will have to fight in a large metropolis, which will not allow the use of combat aircraft.
Artillery shelling of cities from the DPRK will lead to large-scale destruction and the flight of the population. The multimillion migration to the south will cause a traffic collapse, which, as might be supposed, will prevent the military from transferring personnel and equipment to the front line.

https://topwar.ru/116293-scenariy-vozmozhnoy-voyn
yv-koree.html
I will add that the fact of the use of KPA chemical and bacteriological weapons, as well as numerous KPA RDGs, can add to the problem of regulating refugee flows ....
We'll have to forget about shipping in the South China Sea .....

[dvina71]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

If the troops nevertheless enter Seoul, this will turn out to be a big problem for the United States, since for the first time it will be necessary to fight in a large metropolis that will not allow the use of combat aircraft.

Pff..when it \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ n were stuck in the air .. It’s necessary to smear Racca with cancer .. done ..

[Vadim237]

As the DPRK troops enter Seoul - South Korean aviation their troops will still be bombed at the border.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Vadim237

As the DPRK troops enter Seoul - South Korean aviation their troops will still be bombed at the border.

By no means.

Seoul also does not want to attack, although it believes that the obsolete weapons of the northerners gives him a chance to win. One way or another, but a lot, if God forbid a war happens, will depend on the first battles. The fact is that the significant ground forces of the two Koreas are located near the demilitarized zone..

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/171795/

[alavrin]

May the Americans not fight. They are strong against weak corrupt regimes with a European or Arab mentality, and against the DPRK with their mobilized disciplined troops, transgender people and other alternatively gifted U.S. Army personnel are nil.

[Old26]

Quote: Jedi

And after receiving the prefix “ex,” they begin to express their personal opinion, unless, of course, they are connected by non-disclosure subscriptions

And sometimes it’s not always appropriate for the real situation.

Quote: Captive

That they have such a crown, in the service of the brains are turned off, as in the resignation so "on." Practical people, I must say.

This is for everyone. And ours is the same. I don’t know what the American generals “turn on” and what they turn off, but ours is about the same.

Quote: Black_Jacket

Everything is just like that. Just give an excuse, Seoul will turn into dust in an hour.
From this it was even funnier to watch when the mattresses wanted Eun to take a show off with their slogans.

In the dust? A city with the dimensions of 80x80 km with a not very large number of MLRS and receiver systems that Seoul can get? Missiles - they, too, will not fly every minute. In the first hour, about 70 will take off, or maybe less

Quote: Evgenijus

You can make an amendment - the southerners will drown in the ocean. Southerners where to run then? Around water and waves. Hundreds of thousands of corpses of drowned men are wound on the screws of American warships, disrupting the delivery of assistance to the army of southerners. And in the event of an attack, the northerners can also dump into China by breaking through the border. After all, refugees ...

Breaking through the border? And will they be needed there by this crowd (armed)? Yes, and drown the enemy in the ocean can only be with multiple superiority. But this is not.

[Großer feldherr]

Quote: Old26

In the dust? A city with the dimensions of 80x80 km with a not very large number of MLRS and receiver systems that Seoul can get? Missiles - they, too, will not fly every minute. In the first hour, about 70 will take off, or maybe less

Officially, 605km ^ 2, roughly speaking, it is a square 25 * 25 km, with a population density of 16000 people per 1km ^ 2.
Somehow it was written at VO that the DPRK concentrated about 25 thousand pieces of barrel artillery, RZSO on the border with Seoul ... and yet Yong also has tactical weapons, chemical ammunition and the potential use of nuclear weapons.

[Vadim237]

Only now, far from all this artillery will reach Seoul.

[Großer feldherr]

The article was still cast here, now I have not found it.
According to the author, this is only the "wealth" that is collected on the DPRK border near Seoul, everything is well fortified and with underground passages, even with the absence of air defense, is not an easy goal for instant cutting.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Old26 In the dust? A city with the dimensions of 80x80 km with a not very large number of MLRS and receiver systems that Seoul can get? Missiles - they, too, will not fly every minute. In the first hour, about 70 will take off, or maybe less

Why should the KPA destroy Seoul, the rule of war: when an enemy attacks, the enemy’s objects are seized and not destroyed, the water, electricity and communications systems will be disabled first, many North Korean agents will be engaged in this, the KPA’s artillery targets will be primarily the locations of the military unit of the Republic of Kazakhstan and USA, arsenals, airport (you), flyovers of roads and road junctions, railway and bus stations etc. or do you think the fire will be inflicted on housing estates?
During the Second World War, our gunners successfully used the fire shaft .....
WIKI:

As a rule, the fire shaft is used to break through the prepared and echelon defense of the enemy, which is saturated with communication moves and firing points. The type and depth of the fire roll is determined by the characteristics of the enemy defensive fortifications, the terrain, as well as the amount of artillery and ammunition stockpile for the advancing one.
When organizing the fire roll, the main and intermediate lines are planned, and so that the main lines are in the places of the most probable deployment of enemy defense units. Intermediate lines are organized to suppress the manpower of weapons and military equipment that are between the main lines, as well as to prevent any movement of the enemy along the lines of communication and trenches. The first main line, as a rule, is planned along the front line of the enemy’s defense, sequentially moving the fire deeper.
The transfer of fire from one main line to another is carried out at the command (signal) of the advancing units as they approach the boundaries of safe removal.
In addition to direct damage, the use of the fire shaft has a significant demoralizing effect on the enemy, complicates the visibility of the front line of defense, maneuvering on the battlefield and coordination of forces and weapons.

Next:

Yes, and drown the enemy in the ocean can only be with multiple superiority. But this is not.

Why drown? When applying tactical nuclear weapons at large ports of the Republic of Kazakhstan, refugees will run to drown themselves, otherwise they will have to return to the destroyed northern part of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which has locality infected with WMD, all roads of the Republic of Kazakhstan will be clogged with vehicles of refugees, Americans and South Koreans will have to use AA helicopters, in t .h. US MT convertiplanes transferred from Okinawa .... here they will be met by the numerous MZA and KPA MANPADS ...

[Großer feldherr]

As long as Seoul is not taken anywhere far from the border, there will be no war, this is already understandable.
Modern missile defense is still unable to level nuclear blackmail.

[Vadim237]

Well, what DPRK has - THAAD and SM 3, they will be able to intercept even at the initial stage of the flight.

[Großer feldherr]

That's right, I myself wrote about this above.
But do not forget about the risk factor for unacceptable damage.
Now no one will give a 100% guarantee for the interception of a combat ballistic missile.

[Vadim237]

Monoblock BRs are easier to intercept than with homing.

[Großer feldherr]

There is absolutely no difference if you try to intercept the trajectory on the starting and accelerating sections, and the American missile defense is tailored precisely for this.

[97110]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

there will be no war, this is understandable.

In 2014 they also said that IMPOSSIBLE !! IN EUROPE!!! IN THE MILLION CITY !! WITH CIVIL POPULATION !!! We talked, but for 3 years WAR IN DONETSK! Well, say this is Putin! We won’t even smile. You Europeans will still have to pay the terrible bill that you will set your life for gearing in front of pin dos. You do not believe in God; I will not scare you with a terrible judgment. When was the WORLD SHERIFF worried about the problems of different Indians? Trump just really needs Kim to hit Seoul. Only how to present him first and unprovoked? Not the whole world is the Netherlands.

[Großer feldherr]

Do not invent, I remember everything perfectly, before my eyes the Donetsk war was unfolding, no one said anything like that.
Smile as much as you like, just do not talk about the hospital.
Believe in God - do not respect yourself, in my faith believers are associated only with senile old women and criminals who have a cross and "golden domes" in their entire backs.
Why should the “world sheriff” be worried about other people's problems?
In the White House sits like not the prophet Moses and not even the Virgin Mary.
The President of America defends national interests, what's wrong?
Just do not forget that "national interests" is not only a war, it is also a sphere of influence and allies.
South Korea is a strong ally, the loss of which would be greatly lost by the United States.

[97110]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

Believe in God - do not respect yourself

Oh well. At the end of World War II, there were many such unbelievers in Europe when the rumble of American bombers filled the European sky? You look, and you, thanks to the USA, will believe ...

[Großer feldherr]

Porridge in my head, where does the 2 World War and bombers?
Or do you want to say that there were many believers in the Union then?
To believe in Jewish fairy tales, which they specially invented for the gentiles, to tear you in humility and humility (this is what Christianity consists of) is a complete bottom.
There is another option, without disgracing the memory of ancestors, you read the Slavic gods ... but for some reason I'm sure this is not your case.

[97110]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

Mess in my head

Quote: Großer Feldherr

There is another option, without disgracing the memory of ancestors, worship Slavic gods ... n

Without options.

[Sands Careers General]

The DPRK is one large military base; nothing shines there at all.

[Vadim237]

That's why they can use tactical thermonuclear bombs B61 12 against it.

[Sands Careers General]

Americans will not use anything. It's like opening a Pandora's box.

And the ordinary troops of the United States will never conquer the DPRK, even considering its satellites. Times are not the same.

[Vadim237]

"Americans will not use anything." - We will see.

[Sands Careers General]

Let's see how the USA is liquidated a bit.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

it would be nice to see a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over Seoul ...

China will not agree with you. And to Vladivostok there is 700 with something kilometers in all.
Not. Rotten idea

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

it would be nice to see a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over Seoul ...

China will not agree with you. And to Vladivostok there is 700 with something kilometers in all.
Not. Rotten idea

I'm a humanist, let techies say ...

[sabakina]

Everything is very bad: the general spoke about the prospects of the United States in the war with the CPV

Why is Comrade Katz silent?

[Wolka]

Korean blitzkrieg’s theory is increasingly occupying the minds of NATO strategists, while the Y-ts are trying to predict the time of the main strike in order to preventively weaken it with a counter-even more global strike ...

[Vadim237]

The entire territory of the DPRK is located at a constant electronic cap: high-altitude reconnaissance drones, radar missile defense, satellites and AWACS aircraft. There will be no surprise striking.

[rocket757]

If you ask a question for who will win? ... Americans cannot win, they can only be destroyed, and both Koreas at once! Neighbors also get !!! and they won’t be delighted with that.
Can and frostbitten Americans, especially now, but to play big, to the end .... fl not about them, the gut is thin.

[Vadim237]

"The gut is thin" And if not thin - like a missile strike on an airfield in Syria.

[rocket757]

The consequences are not comparable ... and this is not for what the world community will condemn - the number of victims can go to millions, at a time. And not the fact that after this it turns out to say that the enemy is defeated !!!
There will be image losses and financial ... if you calculate, it may turn out that it’s more profitable not to fight.
Trading logic like that ... it looks like it will.

[Vadim237]

If the war begins, world exchanges will rise food and fuel prices, rare earth metals will also soar. Financially, China and Russia will benefit from this, part of the Asian quotes will drop out, but someone else will make good money on it, and the United States will earn on new large military contracts.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Vadim237

If the war begins, world exchanges will rise food and fuel prices, rare earth metals will also soar. China will benefit financially from this

How will China benefit from this, the PRC is not a raw-material country, it is a global factory for the production of rags and fake technologies, where will it sell its goods if there are ruins all around, and the EU, the USA will impose sanctions on the PRC?
War is being fought for:
1. To weaken or destroy their competitors in the Asia-Pacific region - Japan and the Republic of Kazakhstan;
2. Weaken the PRC;
3. Get US companies back in the US.

[zoolu350]

And who will supply goods around the world, in return for goods from the destroyed factories of the South Caucasus and Japan? SCHM or PRC, guess one time?

[Vadim237]

They will supply together - again, it is profitable for them, to remove competitors from the market.

[Vadim237]

Oh, how much the PRC will weaken, without a DPRK-DPRK, it's just horror.

[zoolu350]

The DPRK is needed by the PRC to destroy the industry of the South Caucasus and Japan, as well as to launch mattress blood, while not fighting (with the help of the PLA) themselves.

[faterdom]

I think the forecasts of this retiree are still optimistic. It could be even worse. And not only for Seoul or South Korea. And, for example, for Japan, which not so long ago fascinated looked at the Hwansons flying overhead. And for Americans, the following question will arise at its full height: how to unleash a war and get out of it without finally losing face.

[vasilkovichi]

Finally, it came to pass that they ran into the fangs.

[Old26]

Quote: RASKAT

There are still mobile ones, there are S-75, there are Buki, there are ARROW-10 and, about the horror, about 10 MANPADS are analogues of our Arrow-000. There are also anti-ship missiles, and airplanes. Yes, all are obsolete, but about a hundred of them are MIG-2.

There are mobile and S-75,


and S-125

But launchers are half the battle. These launchers are not equipped with radars. So they won’t be able to shoot

They don’t have “beeches,” if there were, then a few pieces, and even if they were then inoperative, that is, without missiles
"Arrow-10" that can do with its range then. It can still work on helicopters, but regarding aviation it is unlikely. MANPADS are certainly good, but what will it do when targets are at an altitude of 1 km and supersonic?

About a hundred MIG-21s are good, but which of the missiles do they have
The same thing with RCC. All subsonic, with a maximum range of 2 hundred kilometers

Quote: Großer Feldherr

Quote: Old26

In the dust? A city with the dimensions of 80x80 km with a not very large number of MLRS and receiver systems that Seoul can get? Missiles - they, too, will not fly every minute. In the first hour, about 70 will take off, or maybe less

Officially, 605km ^ 2, roughly speaking, it is a square 25 * 25 km, with a population density of 16000 people per 1km ^ 2.
Somehow it was written at VO that the DPRK concentrated about 25 thousand pieces of barrel artillery, RZSO on the border with Seoul ... and yet Yong also has tactical weapons, chemical ammunition and the potential use of nuclear weapons.

This is the city itself. But there is already conglomeration. Several cities have grown together. The size of the conglomeration is approximately 80x80 km
North Koreans are physically unable to concentrate 25000 artillery systems and MLRS on the borders with Seoul. According to the most optimistic forecasts, they have about 21000 barrels, including mortars of all calibers. From artillery systems get to the outskirts of the conglomeration - and this is about 28 km. From artillery systems, only 130 mm guns, 170 mm self-propelled guns and some of the 152 mm guns with active-reactive ammunition can reach the center of Seoul. Of the MLRS, only 240 mm and 300 mm. 240 mm they have about 200 pieces. About 60 guns of 170 mm caliber, about 1,5 hundred 130/152 mm, from which you can get.
170 mm makes 1-2 shots in 5 minutes. 130 mm and 152 mm - of course more. MLRS will fire several thousand shells, only who will let them make more than 1-2 salvos. And most importantly, how can all this be placed on a front 5-7 km long. Maximum to the front is 10 km. On them 200 MLRS and barrels are difficult to place. and already TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND - generally beyond reason

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

By the way, it would be nice to see a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over Seoul, what does Old 26 say to this?

Do you think one mushroom will cost? We may not see it over Seoul, but we will definitely see it over Pyongyang. And not one. But for residents of the Far East - it will not be a funny sight at all.

[rocket757]

What difference does it make, over which city the “mushroom will grow” is all there. Someone immediately, and someone a bit later kirdyk !!!
Only Americans can become arsonists. someone believes that they are so FROZEN?

[Vadim237]

Serious work will appear for our RKhBZ troops if the winds blow in the direction of the Far East.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Old26

And most importantly, how can all this be placed on a front 5-7 km long.

Sorry, but where does the "front"? You did not think of something.

[ventel]

And you look at the map from the satellite and estimate the distance to Seoul and pay attention to the landscape, I see that you understand artillery.

[Lopatov]

It's all a bit more complicated. We must take the city center, where they are most likely to shoot. And put off the radii. Then look at the sector of the North Korean territory where guns and installations can be located. I think everything can be safely placed.
Well, less long-range ones will work according to their plan, at the same time "straining" counter-battery means.
And yet, do not forget that the North Koreans are unrealistically many MLRS. More than Russia and China combined. Moreover, starting with serious systems, and ending with packages of guides on the "cart", which drags agricultural tractor. Cheap and cheerful, just one person is enough to launch

[ventel]

Well, in the first aviation in the DPRK there is virtually no way to open such a group, you understand that for artillery the main enemy is aviation. Do you think that the Southerners did not calculate the expected location of the deployment of batteries this time in order to deploy the batteries it takes two.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Spade

It's all a bit more complicated. We must take the city center, where they are most likely to shoot. And put off the radii. Then look at the sector of the North Korean territory where guns and installations can be located. I think everything can be safely placed.
Well, less long-range ones will work according to their plan, at the same time "straining" counter-battery means.
And yet, do not forget that the North Koreans are unrealistically many MLRS. More than Russia and China combined. Moreover, starting with serious systems, and ending with packages of guides on the "cart", which drags agricultural tractor. Cheap and cheerful, just one person is enough to launch

And what is the real effectiveness of these miracle devices?


90% of this combined North Korean rubbish in range is not that not even reaching the center of Seoul, but even to its outskirts.

[zoolu350]

After the outbreak of war, HQ-15 and j-11 (12) and DF-31 and Type - 99 with crews and crews will go from the PRC. So it is not critical.

[Vadim237]

After the outbreak of war with the PRC, nothing will work, since it will be destroyed instantly, the Air Force of Japan, South Korea and the United States will have complete air supremacy over the entire territory of the DPRK, during the first 24 hours, the Chinese will block their border and that’s all.

[zoolu350]

There was such a general in the school with the surname MacArthur, so he also assured the Fed owners that the approaching Chinese would be instantly destroyed, and the Chinese drove the entire mattress pack from the DPRK with wet rags and MacArthur would be instantly fired.

[Vadim237]

It was a long time ago, now the PRC has other priorities and there is no place for the DPRK in these priorities.

[zoolu350]

Of course, for a long time, now the situation on the Korean Peninsula for the Fed owners is even WORSE than it was then.

[Roman 4912]

Very interesting general. No matter how I fought anywhere

[ventel]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

Will not be:
a) North Korea has nuclear weapons and even a delivery vehicle (not guaranteed, of course, but still)
b) on the border, a multi-million dollar Seoul, a prosperous and prosperous South Korea will do everything possible so that there is no war, for them it is a risk of losing everything.
c) North Korea has China nearby, yes, relations with it are not the most rosy now, but interests coincide, China will also do everything possible to prevent America from strengthening in the region.

Are you sure? Well, let's go over your points. The first missile and nuclear weapons are a problem not only in the USA, South Korea, Japan, but also China, yes yes, but about beta below. The second in Seoul is not fools either, and they understand that if everything is left as it is then the losses will be much greater than now. And you can talk about the peace-loving North Koreans as much as you like in fact if the north conquers the south there will begin mass genocide and they know it in the south. And in the third, you know the history of relations between the USSR and the PRC, too, there was friendship until China received its nuclear weapons and interests quickly changed China did not want to be a younger brother. The same situation is now observed between the PRC and the DPRK. Maybe interests coincide but the approach is different.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

ventel if the north conquers the south there will begin mass genocide

In periodicals I read how in the south after WWII the southerners put local communists against the wall, and the shooting teams recruited from those who worked for the Japanese during the occupation, it seems like this was one of the reasons for the start of the Korean War ....
I myself am currently working with Koreans, very cunning people and nationalists .... everyone works on a family basis, do you know that the state has a share in all large South Korean companies?

[Vadim Sh.]

In the war, the DPRK and the US are very sorry for SEOUL, a beautiful city.

[aszzz888]

Vadim Sh. Today, 00:08
In the war, the DPRK and the US are very sorry for SEOUL,beautiful city .

... then ALL questions to the merikatos ... although the demand from them is like water from a goose ...

[aszzz888]

former deputy contingent commander of the United States in Korea, Jen-Marc Juas.

... as soon as the former or retired, so immediately begin to turn on the brain ...

[Zomanus]

Yes, this is for the sake of attention distract.
And so they put the squat on it to South Korea.
They’ll just bombard the border areas with bombs and missiles,
to stupidly drive the entire North Korean defense into the ground.
The only one they can fear is the Chinese.
Here they really can fit in, that would not allow amers at their border.

[Holoy]

The blow to the DPRK will be massive and powerful. Total blows will be delivered for three days in a row ... I believe that secret preparations for this are underway. Aviation will be a fig!
Our need to prepare the troops of radiation, chemical and biological defense

[shans2]

our Strategic Rocket Forces are always ready, goodbye America aaaaa)

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Holoy

The blow to the DPRK will be massive and powerful. Total blows will be delivered for three days in a row ... I believe that secret preparations for this are underway. Aviation will be a fig!

It was for this development of events that the KPA has been preparing for the last 60 years ...
Something in Afghanistan, the United States did not fight much with its aircraft, how much% of the territory of Afghanistan is controlled by the government?
What can your aviation do against underground factories, WB, arsenals, power plants, warehouses with fuel and lubricants and MTO, shelters for l / s, etc.?

[ventel]

And where the Taliban are now inaudible about them, and it’s easier not to advertise the percentics, otherwise you can remember the story. In Germany, the American plants were also underground plants simply bombed the transport infrastructure and the collapse of the Wehrmacht began. So, adherents of underground structures just need to understand that this is not a panacea for aviation but you can save personnel and equipment, but you cannot transfer it to another place.

[warks]

At least someone understands that this is pointless to them.

[bsk_una]

The ass is all-itchy. It's good!

[Old26]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Old26

And most importantly, how can all this be placed on a front 5-7 km long.

Sorry, but where does the "front"? You did not think of something.

Moreover? The length of the demilitarized zone is approximately 280 km. In the first echelon of the North Korean army along the DMZ deployed EMNIP 4 army corps with its artillery. In the second echelon - 1 or 2. Even if we assume that all of these corps gave their artillery to one located in the west of the DMZ, then the following should be considered
1. The minimum distance from the DMZ to the outskirts of the Seoul conglomeration is about 28 km.
2. The fortifications of North Korean artillery are not located on the border of the DMZ, but in the depth of about 5-7 km from the DMZ.
With all this in mind, the best place to concentrate artillery for shelling Seoul would be the same "Pit" in the DMZ building in Kephun Province (see on the map). But the width of this "hole" is about 7-10 km. The deployment of artillery in other places will lead to the fact that the number of trunks capable of reaching Seoul will decrease. And now try to place at least 200 MLRS of the caliber of 240 mm, an unknown number of MLRS of the caliber of 300 mm, and about 2,5 hundred barrels (at least) capable of reaching not only the outskirts of the conglomeration on this front section. About how to place an MLRS or a self-propelled gun with a barrel length of 8 meters in a fortification structure (given that a self-propelled gun will have to be fired not by direct fire - think for yourself

Below is a map of DMZ. If you include the “military target” parameter (category) in the Wikimapia resource, you can clearly see where, at what distance from the DMZ are the military facilities (fortifications) of North Korea

[Kunica]

Yes, they will not go "on the ground." Koreans will be driven and Japanese. They themselves will fly and throw tomahawks. This is not a royal thing - stripping.

[Old26]

Quote: shans2

our Strategic Rocket Forces are always ready, goodbye America aaaaa)

And at the same time, and Russia. So?

[Hadji Murat]

compose the Yankees about chemical weapons and stuff, justify themselves in advance ....

[padded jacket]

Most likely nothing will happen. The United States will not risk opposing the small and poor but possessing nuclear weapons and the will of the people and leadership of the DPRK
So Kimi chose the only but the right way to possess nuclear weapons in conditions when they can count on military assistance from neighbors only as a last resort.
Russia and China agreed on positions on the Korean crisis

[Old26]

Quote: Hadji Murat

compose the Yankees about chemical weapons and stuff, justify themselves in advance ....

Well, why come up with. For 10-15 years, as they say about the DPRK vinlon industry. It is entirely possible that the DPRK has, like Syria at the time, chemical weapons. And about biological there were materials and not recently. Volumes are indicated different. From 2500-3000 to 5000 tons. How does this correspond to realities - HZ

[Kostadinov]

Result of recent clashes in Korea:
March 1, 2010 - a small submarine of the DPRK drowns the South Korean corvette Chonan
2. November 2010 - the 122 mm MLRS KHA battery in one gulp rounds the South Korean battery 155 mm self-propelled guns K-9.
2 K-9 out of action from enemy fire and 1 K-9 for technical reasons. 2 Yuk soldiers killed and 19 wounded.
South Korea has a small quantity of very expensive and very inefficient weapons. SK cannot exist even for a month without bringing in a huge amount of materials.
KPA has a large number and more effective weapons. DPRK can exist for years without any contribution.

[Old26]

Quote: Kostadinov

Result of recent clashes in Korea:
March 1, 2010 - a small submarine of the DPRK drowns the South Korean corvette Chonan
2. November 2010 - the 122 mm MLRS KHA battery in one gulp rounds the South Korean battery 155 mm self-propelled guns K-9.
2 K-9 out of action from enemy fire and 1 K-9 for technical reasons. 2 Yuk soldiers killed and 19 wounded.
South Korea has a small quantity of very expensive and very inefficient weapons. SK cannot exist even for a month without bringing in a huge amount of materials.
KPA has a large number and more effective weapons. DPRK can exist for years without any contribution.

The message is an elementary falsification of the “answer to the question”. Both positions are not the result of a battle, but the result of a surprise attack. A 122-mm MLRS battery - that is, at least 180-240 shells covers an area of ​​several hectares on which the battery of the self-propelled guns are located, out of order 3. And based on this, it is concluded that the South Koreans have inefficient weapons, but North Koreans - hoo how effective. It’s the same as if you’re standing with a group of comrades with guns at a distance of a hundred meters, and I with the same group of comrades with machine guns. At the same time, I’ll put half of yours and declare that you have an ineffective weapon? So what?

[Kostadinov]

The message is an elementary falsification of the “answer to the question”. Both positions are not the result of a battle, but the result of a surprise attack. A 122-mm MLRS battery - that is, at least 180-240 shells covers an area of ​​several hectares on which the battery of the self-propelled guns are located, out of order 3. And based on this, it is concluded that the South Koreans have inefficient weapons, but North Koreans - hoo how effective. It’s the same as if you’re standing with a group of comrades with guns at a distance of a hundred meters, and I with the same group of comrades with machine guns. At the same time, I’ll put half of yours and declare that you have an ineffective weapon? So what?

1. Thank you for clarifying that a surprise attack is not a “battle."
2. "The battle only when the enemy tells you in advance where, when and with what will be attacked. In this form, the" battle "is an Olympic sport.
3. What did the super electronic, hanging and space intelligence technologies of the United States and South Caucasus see
everything and everyone and can read the mind of the enemy?
4. Why is the super-modern PLO corvette of advanced technology not only unable to notice and destroy the “primitive” North Korean submarine, but missed its attack itself?
5. Why did the super-self-propelled guns and their reconnaissance not only fail to notice the preparation and attack of the primitive MLRS, but after the attack did they return fire only 13 minutes after the position where no one was hit?
6. Why did the F-16 and F-15, departure to the place of attack, not see the enemy and destroy?

[Old26]

Quote: Kostadinov

1. Thank you for clarifying that a surprise attack is not a “battle."
2. "The battle only when the enemy tells you in advance where, when and with what will be attacked. In this form, the" battle "is an Olympic sport.
3. What did the super electronic, hanging and space intelligence technologies of the United States and South Caucasus see
everything and everyone and can read the mind of the enemy?
4. Why is the super-modern PLO corvette of advanced technology not only unable to notice and destroy the “primitive” North Korean submarine, but missed its attack itself?
5. Why did the super-self-propelled guns and their reconnaissance not only fail to notice the preparation and attack of the primitive MLRS, but after the attack did they return fire only 13 minutes after the position where no one was hit?
6. Why F-16 and F-15, departure to the place of attack, the enemy was not seen and destroyed

You are welcome. SK and SK are in a state of truce and therefore the corvette did not “bomb” the boat. That is why it is not destroyed, since both countries are not at war. And you make profound, but completely stupid conclusions from this, based on your enduring love for Eun.
Same thing with the artillery strike. The North Korean MLRS were on their own territory and Nkito did not think that the DPRK would go on such a provocation. Have you ever heard the command "do not open fire"? It was such a team that was transferred to the Red Army on the eve of the war, so that the provocation (according to strategists from the Kremlin) did not develop into a war.
As for aircraft - a question for the leadership of South Korea. But the fact that the planes did not open fire does not mean that South Korean weapons are less effective than North Korean weapons.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Old26 Please. SK and SK are in a state of truce and therefore the corvette did not "bomb" the boat. That is why it is not destroyed, because both countries are not at war.

Not at all. WIKI:

8 March 2013 year The North Korean government has announced that the country is withdrawing from all non-aggression pacts with South Korea in response to UN Resolution 2094.

[Old26]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Old26 Please. SK and SK are in a state of truce and therefore the corvette did not "bomb" the boat. That is why it is not destroyed, because both countries are not at war.

Not at all. WIKI:

8 March 2013 year The North Korean government has announced that the country is withdrawing from all non-aggression pacts with South Korea in response to UN Resolution 2094.

Look at what year these incidents were. In 2010

[MOSKVITYANIN]

The Korean Armistice Agreement, signed at 10 in the morning at Panmunjom on 27 on July 1953, put an end to the fighting of the Korean War. On the part of the UN forces, the document was signed by US Army Lieutenant General William Garrison, and by the Korean People’s Army and Chinese People’s Volunteers, North Korean General Nam Il. The representative of South Korea, General Choi Doksin, was present at the ceremony of signing the Agreement, however, put his signature I refuse. The agreement established a demilitarized zone 2 kilometers on both sides of the existing front line, led to a ceasefire and established the conditions for the return of prisoners of war. The demilitarized zone has become, with few exceptions, a deserted neutral strip forming the actual state border between the two Koreas.

Thus, the truce between the two Koreas was never recognized by the Republic of Kazakhstan, and who here wants war more?