The crash of the Su-22 in Iran killed the pilot

Iranian media reported that the Soviet-made Su-22 fighter suffered a crash in the south of the country. According to the latest data, the aircraft belonged to the Corps of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (IRGC). RIA News cites a message from Iranian news agency FARS News:

A military plane Su-22 of the Air Force of the Revolutionary Guards of the Islamic Revolution fell in the morning 8 (8.30 MSK) during military exercises in the province of Fars. The pilot died on the spot.

Photos that are published in social networks show that at the site of the crash of the plane a completely burnt grass plot was formed. Judging by the photo, the plane fell in a deserted area. No one on earth was hurt.

At the crash site, there are operational groups that collect fighter debris to subsequently try to establish the causes of the disaster.

Comments

[RASKAT]

For any Chinese were engaged in repair. Something I do not remember repair contracts with us. Pilot land down.

[Barshchik-M]

My condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot ...
It is time for you to Iran to change your fleet of fighters, Russia can help with training too!
The Middle East needs to be kept, otherwise Western jackals, etc. again they will make a bloody slaughter!
And sanctions, but do not care about them ..

[stas]

Attendant You at least know the name of the deceased pilot to condole him with his family.
Formality will ruin all life without asking for a name.

[okko077]

The Su-22 was never a fighter, and we have no attack aircraft with the main task of supporting the ground troops .... There is nothing to offer ... But the SU-34 is a higher-class aircraft and more expensive ...

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: RASKAT

For any Chinese were engaged in repair. Something I do not remember repair contracts with us. Pilot land down.

The Iranians themselves could be engaged in repair, not so Su-17 a complicated machine. In any case, KnAAPO Sparky Su-17UM flew until recently. And there are enough spare parts for them.

Quote: Partyzan

interesting - sabotage or "quality" service?

Well, of course, sabotage, otherwise the planes do not fall. Especially since this machine is about 30 years old, and got into Iran, it is already used in Iraq from 1991 in the year.

[padded jacket]

Quote: zyablik.olga

The Iranians themselves could do the repair, the not so Su-17 is a complicated machine.

Here's an article about this if you know fluent English then do not find it work in general phrases re-see.



URL:
https://twitter.com/pepo_25/status/63633200822712
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[Beby]

Quote: quilted jacket

Here's an article about this if you know fluent English then do not find it work in general phrases re-see.

I’ll try to help with what (and how) I can: I have little command of aviation terminology, so there may be some mistakes, especially since I don’t know the exact names of Iranian air bases and enterprises. First, I’ll translate the middle, like the essence itself is buried there.

Second Attempt

In 2007 (IRIAF Deputy of Operation) allowed “Tactical Fighter * Bases” tactical fighter bases to conduct local overhaul of F-6E and SU-7MK aircraft. In 4, the first SU-24MK (number 2008-24) was selected for overhaul, and the SU-3UM6801K (number 24-4) for restoration. The plane (apparently SU-3MK number 6957-24) received a new 3-color desert camouflage during the cap. repair at the ARIAF HQ at the Dushan Tappeh airfield. Also with cap. repair was carried out reconstruction of the engine AL-6801F-4. The aircraft was prepared for a test run of the engine, but the controllers (for the quality of the “bases of tactical fighters No. 21”) identified several technical failures that were the result of clumsy maintenance. And the project (as I understand repair and restoration work) was once again stopped.

* Note: the article is in English, while the adversary has both our front-line bombers (SU-22) and fighters (ala SU-27) called “Fighter”.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Beby

I'll try to help, how (and how) I can

Thank you very much and if it’s not difficult for you to read the whole text.

[Beby]

Start:
(It seems that the previous page talked about the transfer of aircraft from 3 to 7 base.)

After the F-4E took off, the 31st Tactical Fighter Squadron (31 TFS) flew next to me (* the author of the article, not the translator) as the lead for navigational assistance between the bases of tactical fighters No. 3 and No. 7. The lantern of the aircraft (* probably the SU-22 piloted by the author) was not well closed (fixed?), Which led to the wobbling of the aircraft and reduced stability. I decided not to participate in further distillation flights of the SU-22 and Colonel Q (at that time Major Q) performed all other flights (hauls).

Aircraft hauls were in 1994, but in the same year, the IRIAF (Iranian Air Force) lost a lot of highly qualified specialists (* pilots or technicians are not clear). The outflow of specialists continued in the following years, as a result of purges to weaken the influence of aviation (* probably, it means a carpet confrontation in the army). As a result, the IRIAF faced “gaps” in aircraft maintenance. The SU-22 recovery program was launched in 1995 at Shiraz, but was interrupted in 1996 due to a lack of qualified technicians. The number of fully combat-ready (FMC) or at least flightable aircraft and helicopters by 2000 fell from an average of 70% to 45%. By 2005, the situation with the restoration of technical capabilities (repair of equipment?) At IRIAF became very difficult. That year, Mehrabadkaya Rem was recreated. base (Mehrabad Overhaul Center - Mehrabad overhaul base) and gradually all the technical centers of Iranian airfields became able to conduct a local cap. repair of aircraft.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Beby

Home

Is this all or will it be a continuation? And then there is nothing concrete.

[Beby]

The end (part 1 of 2)

... and final decision (and final decision)
In 2007, the IRIAF (Iranian Air Force) entered into several contracts with IACI (Iranian Aircraft Industries - roughly translated: “Iranian Aircraft Manufacturing Company”) related to the modernization and extension of the life of its fighter and bomber fighters. However, the IRIAF HQ (Iranian Air Force Command?) Considered the IACI unable to restore the SU-22 to a state of full combat readiness. Finally, in 2012, the IRIAF delivered 2 SU-22 (single and double) to IACI for evaluation and testing. The Iranian Air Force decided to sign a contract with Pars Aviation, a repair and maintenance center (rem. Base?), Which is part of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps Air and Space Forces, the Islamic Revolution Guard. Pars Aviation is the best place (factory?) In Iran for the maintenance of Russian-made aircraft. The quality of service has been proven (verified) after a local cap. repair of five Su-25K and three Su-25UBK in 2011 and 2012. 2 C2-22M4K were originally transported from the “tactical fighter base” No. 3 (TFB.3) on the road to Pars Aviation in Tehran. Another batch of aircraft, consisting of another C2-22M4K and C2-22UM4K, was sent to Tehran with TFB.7 in May 2013.

[Beby]

The end (part 2 of 2)
During a press conference on October 1, 2013, Amir-Ali Haji-Zadeh, the commander-in-chief of the IRGCASF (Islamic Aviation and Space Forces Guards of the Islamic Revolution) announced that now his forces can carry out major repairs of the SU-22. In accordance with the contract between the IRIAF (Iranian Air Force) and Pars Aviation, Pars Aviation will restore 12 SU-22 to its full state, the ability to use the Iranian Air Force data aircraft as a strike is considered very important. During the restoration of aircraft navigation and identification systems "friend or foe" also received minor improvements. Meanwhile, the Iranian Air Force began a program of retraining (retraining?) Of pilots F-7 and SU-24 to SU-22. The Self-Sufficient Group began work on the design of the SU-22 simulator using the front of the fuselage stored at the Dushan Tappeh airfield. In 1998, the Self-Sufficient Group transported 2 damaged and 2 whole SU-22s for research from the “tactical fighter base” No. 3 (TFB.3) to the Dushan Tappeh airfield. One of the transported aircraft was the SU-22, with tail number 22635, injured during a hard landing on January 27, 1991 at the “base of tactical fighters” No. 3 (TFB.3).
Most of the SU-22 “refugees” flew to Iran with installed outboard fuel tanks (“large” PBT-800), as well as weapons launch systems and pylons. In the near future (* January 2014 article), the SU-22 will use the same weapons as the SU-24MK 72nd Fighter Squadron (72ns TFS). They will use X-25 and X-29 air-to-ground missiles with laser and television guidance in conjunction with R-60MK air-to-air missiles for self-defense and several types of cast iron bombs (iron bomb) and NARs (rocket launchers - * for some reason it seems to me that it is NAR that is meant here).
In accordance with the contract concluded by the IRIAF (Iranian Air Force) contract, the IRGCASF (Aviation and Space Forces Guards of the Islamic Revolution) must restore 12 SU-22 by the end of 2015, thereby allowing the 71st Fighter Squadron (71st TFS) to be reorganized on a “tactical base” fighters ”No. 7 (TFB.7). The second and third groups of SU-22 (in the amount of 25 aircraft in total) should be ready by 2020. The delivery of the first restored SU-22UM4K is scheduled for January 2014, and the second restored aircraft (SU-22M4K) in March of the same year. Both of these aircraft are already wearing Asia Minor II camouflage, and these vehicles will initially serve in the 72nd Fighter Squadron (72ns TFS). After the delivery of the next 4 aircraft in 2014, these 2 aircraft will be used to rebuild the 71st Fighter Squadron (71st TFS).

PS The article is dated January 2014.

[Beby]

Perhaps the translation is somewhat clumsy, but here excuse me - I am not a professional translator, and, moreover, I do not have the skills to translate aviation terms.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Beby

Perhaps the translation is somewhat clumsy, but here excuse me - I am not a professional translator, and, moreover, I do not have the skills to translate aviation terms.

Thank you very much Beby for the translation, everything is clear enough.

[okko077]

Su-17, except for the SU-17M4 (in their version of the SU-22M4), is very capricious in terms of combat readiness ... For all the remaining sights, the sight works only in manual mode and without a laser rangefinder ... Part of the navigation equipment does not work and is working properly only partially radio equipment ... Only a reliable engine and AO keeps this stuff in the air, here you have all the bare truth of reality ... and desperate pilots fly on it and continue to love it .... In our VKS this aircraft is really not enough, and if they didn’t ditch the SU-17M4, they would still fly, and there is still not enough of its subsequent modification C54 / C56, which they forgot after the collapse of the USSR with the AL-31 engine ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: RASKAT

In any case, the Chinese were engaged in repair

Most likely, with the help of spare parts received from Syria.
Now they are like that, but personally I thought that all of them would be betrayed by the Syrians.

[Partyzan]

interesting - sabotage or "quality" service? and to the pilot - the kingdom of heaven

[destination]

Like our guys ... Well done, what can I say ...

[sabakina]

Bob, I've always believed that an airplane is primarily a glider, why not plan? Well, if only the height did not allow. I hope the details will tell us. Sorry, the pilots piece "goods."

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

this is primarily a glider

but as I understand it, he can’t fly without movement, there are former flyers here, he can catch up, they’ll better explain

[sabakina]

I also hope that they will catch up. Only Bob, how can a plane in the air be without movement? Even if the engine stalls while climbing, can you lower your nose and plan? Even if tough, but possible? In short, we are waiting.

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

can you lower your nose and plan?

as far as I know, with a drop in speed, the plane can reach extreme angles of attack and that's all - kapets

[sabakina]

Well, we will wait for comments from flyers or specialists. By the way, is Bob on behalf of Boris? In our family there was an old acquaintance named Boris, his father used to joke Bob ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

By the way, is Bob on behalf of Boris?

this is on behalf of Vova (a) - as my mother called me

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

y, we will wait for comments from flyers or specialists

look below - askort154 as something briefly explained popularly

[verner1967]

Quote: Partyzan

as far as I know, with a drop in speed the plane can reach extreme angles of attack

quite right, this dryer, like its predecessors Su-7 and Su-9, has the aerodynamics of the iron, flies while the engine pushes it, for example, the slightest evolution during landing leads to disaster and this is with the engine running. In the Su-17, however, this parameter is slightly better, due to the mechanization of the wing, but still - an iron.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: sabakina

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sabakina Today, 12:45 ↑ New
Bob, I've always believed that an airplane is primarily a glider, why not plan? Well, if only the height did not allow

Perhaps he wanted to sit down, the terrain seemed to allow.
But in any case, until the cause of the disaster has been made public, there is nothing to discuss.

[askort154]

sabakina ...Bob, I always thought that the plane is primarily a glider, why not plan? Well, if only the height did not allow.


The range of aircraft planning depends on its aerodynamic quality. And quality is the ratio of lift to drag. Decipher for a long time not versed in aerodynamics. Figuratively: What will fly next, a crowbar or a shovel thrown with one force. "Gliders" (shovel), fly without an engine, due to high quality and wing area. A modern fighter, in comparison with the "glider", is a "crowbar" (small wing area) with a very strong engine. He plans with a failed engine along a steep path (practically falls). Something like that, in a nutshell.

[not main]

Quote: askort154

sabakina ...Bob, I always thought that the plane is primarily a glider, why not plan? Well, if only the height did not allow.


The range of aircraft planning depends on its aerodynamic quality. And quality is the ratio of lift to drag. Decipher for a long time not versed in aerodynamics. Figuratively: What will fly next, a crowbar or a shovel thrown with one force. "Gliders" (shovel), fly without an engine, due to high quality and wing area. A modern fighter, in comparison with the "glider", is a "crowbar" (small wing area) with a very strong engine. He plans with a failed engine along a steep path (practically falls). Something like that, in a nutshell.

Right! That's just with crowbar? If the helicopter plans with a quality of 1x4, then the aircraft has a higher aerodynamic quality (and much), but the speed is certainly not comparable!

[askort154]

not main..... If the helicopter plans with a quality of 1x4, then the aircraft has a higher aerodynamic quality (and much), but the speed is certainly not comparable!

A helicopter with a failed engine “plans” due to autorotation (self-rotation of the screw due to the incoming air flow), which creates the lifting force necessary for “planning”. And about the "scrap" - figuratively, for those who are not familiar with aerodynamics.

[not main]

Quote: askort154

not main..... If the helicopter plans with a quality of 1x4, then the aircraft has a higher aerodynamic quality (and much), but the speed is certainly not comparable!

A helicopter with a failed engine “plans” due to autorotation (self-rotation of the screw due to the incoming air flow), which creates the lifting force necessary for “planning”. And about the "scrap" - figuratively, for those who are not familiar with aerodynamics.

And for those who are familiar with aerodynamics, you can find out the aerodynamic quality of the Su-22? By the way, I am "familiar" with autorotation or RSNV.

[okko077]

A military aircraft is a cannon or a rocket to which a glider is attached, it’s you who are talking about a civilian aircraft ....

[askort154]

okko077 ...A military plane is a cannon or a rocket to which a glider is attached, it’s you who are talking about a civilian plane ....


In aerodynamics there is no classification:
- Theoretical aerodynamics for "military" aircraft,
- Theoretical aerodynamics for "civilian" aircraft.
Yes, now in fighter aircraft, the aerodynamic canons are violated with the advent of high-speed vehicles and a thrust-weight ratio of 1, but when the engines fail, its planning path is close to a “scrap” drop.

[okko077]

A military aircraft is a means of delivering weapons to a given point at a given time ... It performs combat missions, and how it flies or maneuvers is already interesting to the military only if it is necessary to perform the same combat mission ... Combat tasks are set depending on the chosen tactics, tactics depend on the enemy, aircraft capabilities, etc., etc. ... Many people forget this when it comes to combat aircraft, and not about aircraft in general ... From this point the example with F35 is clear ... Americans have their own views on the use of this aircraft, many of us talk about it as a "trough" from the point of view of the aircraft in general and the conduct of maneuverable combat ... But in reality this is not so ... .

[okko077]

AN ENEMY must be respected, and with this respect, ways must be found to defeat him. Take into account strengths and neutralize them, find weaknesses and use them for the result. Develop new tactics, formulate requirements for your equipment or order a promising ... GS should do this ... He should do some kind of creativity, be ahead and think ... Please do not swear at once, reading this science fiction ..... And do not indulge in cap-making and "lull" on every corner ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: Partyzan

diversion or "quality" service?

They are just "old", but this applies to all Iranian aviation, and they cannot replace them until 2020 because of sanctions, and now they have to exploit what is.

[Partyzan]

Quote: quilted jacket

So you have to exploit what is.

sorry of course the guys - they would be newer, but they have a desire to fly

[padded jacket]

Quote: Partyzan

they would be newer

Unfortunately, they themselves are not yet able to create due to a weak production base the lack of the necessary engineering personnel of the underdeveloped radio-electronic industry and the lack of engines of the necessary power (Iran has been sanctioned since 1979) so they fly on what is and is very dilapidated.

[destination]

It’s a pity the fellow pilot that he took away the car from People, sacrificing himself ...

[Herculesic]

Anyway, they really need to update their fleet! And to the pilot’s family my condolences are purely human! !!

[sabakina]

Judging by the photo, the plane crashed in a deserted area. No one on earth was hurt.

Strange, why not catapulted? Rest in peace.

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

Strange, why not catapulted? Rest in peace.

Above is the song "Great Sky". Maybe that’s why.

[sabakina]

Yes, it’s hard to guess without details.

[Doliva63]

In Siverskaya, the Su-17 somehow fell (81 or 82), the pilot died. At first, it seemed, they presented to the Hero, because They thought that they hadn’t “left”, because until the last they had taken the plane away from us. when they found the SOK, they found 11 one-time commands of the CAPS system (emergency exit system) - that is, the catapult did not work stupidly. Posthumously awarded the Order of the Red Star. That is, the KD-17 was not immediately and not all Su-36s. After the installation of the new chair, there seemed to be 2 bailouts - "spark" and combat. In both cases, the SAPS worked flawlessly. I mean, xs, what kind of chair the Iranian stood. If old, there could be a failure.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

An unexpected replenishment occurred at the beginning of the 1991 year, when during the fighting in the Persian Gulf, most of the Iraqi Air Force aircraft flew to Iran, trying to escape from Allied aircraft. Iran did not want to return these aircraft, believing that this was a kind of reparation for the consequences of the eight-year war. Some of these aircraft became part of the Iranian Air Force. In 1991, a large number of aircraft left for Iraq from Iraq: 24 Su-24, 24 Mirage, 20 Su-22, 7 Su-25, 4 Su-20, 4 MiG-29, 4 MiG-25, 7 MiG-23ML, 1 MiG-23UB, 4 MiG-23ВН, as well as some others.

https://topwar.ru/30477-vvs-islamskoy-respubliki-
iran.html
Apparently this is a plane of the former Iraqi Air Force ...

[XXXIII]

The crash of the Su-22 in Iran killed the pilot

Seduced by the pilot's family !!!

[okko077]

On the screensaver, the spark is similar to SU-17UM3, and in the film SU-22M4. This is an aircraft with an AL-21F3 engine, with a digital PRNK-54, with the most advanced equipment, which eliminated all the flaws in the operating experience .. The ideal machine for local conflicts in simple conditions day and night ... Cheap, reliable, easy to operation and piloting. The flight crew loved this car very much .. The time for preparing the equipment for the second departure was less than the time for refueling, plus the time for equipping the ammunition ...

[stolz]

War plane Su-22 Air Force Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps fell at 8 in the morning (8.30 Moscow time) during a military exercise

There it is dear to him - one Islamist will be less, and if anyone is sorry, then only in Syria their dime a dozen.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

By no means.

Syrian strike aircraft totals about 40 Su-24 front-line bombers, a similar number of MiG-23BN fighter-bombers and as many Su-22 fighter-bombers.

An article on IN 2011, now there are probably about a dozen of them ...
https://topwar.ru/7603-vooruzhennye-sily-sirii.ht
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[Piramidon]

Quote: Stolz

There he is dear

Are you out of skakuas, is it a corpse-eater? Only they are glad of any death. Where did the Iranians cross your road? Prior to this comment, I considered you an adequate person, but apparently I was mistaken. You are an ordinary animal, which Noah called "creatures"

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

although Iran is not our friend, but I partially agree with your words. <partially> in the sense do not offend animals do not compare these creatures with this inadequate

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Say strange words, they are also Shiites!

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

why strange, like Ukrainians and Georgians are also Orthodox

[lazy]

did we supply them with su-22 or is it Iraqi that they used to fly so that the Americans could not get it?