In Kiev, called the number of Ukrainian participants in the fighting in the Donbass

The representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Andrey Lysenko, during the briefing actually reported how many Ukrainian servicemen and persons equated to them, from 2014, took part in the civil war in the Donbas. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine itself no longer knows how to call it an armed conflict, given the fact that the deputies of the VRU had earlier voted to rename the so-called "anti-terrorist operation (ATO)."

Mr. Lysenko quotes Ukrinfrom:

Since the beginning of the antiterrorist operation, more than 45,5 thousand people have been awarded the Ministry of Defense insignia, and state awards - 39 thousand 594 people. The status of a combatant participant received 218 thousands of 67 military personnel and employees of the Ukrainian armed forces who took part in the ATO.

That is, Kiev officially recognizes that in the Donbass almost 220 thousands of servicemen were involved in combat operations alone against the population of this region. If this information is true, then it turns out that for more than three years, the Ukrainian military department has been issuing approximately on 200 certificates of a combatant participant each day.

And if the whole army (in 220 thousand people) now will request benefits (for example, free land), which Poroshenko mentioned earlier, then the entire Ukrainian military budget will be spent solely on the maintenance of "veterans of the ATO fighting".

Comments

[Barshchik-M]

And how many militiamen in the Donbass?

And if the whole army (220 thousand people) will now demand benefits

The problem can be solved, the "Debaltsevsky cauldron" is an example of this .. Contact!

[Vard]

Yes, for any, many times less ...

[hrych]

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[Sergey-svs]

Quote: Vard

Yes, for any, many times less ...

But according to the intelligence of Mr. Lysenko and Ukrinform - a lot:

[XXXIII]

Quote: Vard

Yes, for any, many times less ...

on this photo .......

...... photo for comparison, but only by the militia and the troops of the Russian Federation on the border ......

...... militia 1/6 vsu, gunpowder rotated regularly .....

[79807420129]

Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M

And how many militiamen in the Donbass?

And why do you need to know this? Much less than the APU and national punishers.

And if the whole army (220 thousand people) will now demand the benefits (for example, free land), which Poroshenko spoke about earlier, then the entire Ukrainian military budget will go exclusively to the content of “anti-terrorist operation veterans

So let them demand it, all the more. Offal also owns funeral homes.

[Partyzan]

Quote: 79807420129

including funeral homes.

so this business will disappear only when the last person remains on earth

[sabakina]

To all our and not ours Bob, and in military terms, 220 bayonets - how much will it be?

[Partyzan]

well, somewhere around 10 combat divisions

[Kleber]

In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the largest unit is a separate brigade of 3-4 battalion personnel, and in the battalion often soldiers are not scraped into the company. Everything is taken by turnover and purchase status.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Kleber

Everything is taken by turnover and purchase status.

they call it - rotationprobably from the word - mouth

[Kleber]

Not only, the main thing in circulation was a short-term contract, some for 6 months, some for 9 ... and the vast majority chose a short-term contract.

[sabakina]

Thank. and these alleys still want a division of "peacekeepers"? Well, bury them all then?

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

Thank. and these alleys still want a division of "peacekeepers"? Well, bury them all then?

in the steppes of dill

[sabakina]

Well, yes, Bob, I remember the film "The Duma of Kovpak. Buran". "Who called you here?" True, such frosts will no longer be, but considering. that they are being provided by volunteers .... A mustache can be, a can be. (as A. Raikin said)

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

Well, yes, Bob, I remember the film "The Duma of Kovpak. Buran". "Who called you here?" True, such frosts will no longer be, but considering. that they are being provided by volunteers .... A mustache can be, a can be. (as A. Raikin said)

come yourself

[sabakina]

I won’t be surprised if their coffin is part of the "alarm case".

[Partyzan]

Quote: sabakina

I won’t be surprised if their coffin is part of the "alarm case".

mandatory ammunition although at his own expense

[Kleber]

And so too (in Odessa).

[Anarchist]

Hinting that the land will be in the cemetery? It is possible ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: Anarchist

Hinting that the land will be

Yes, no, I suspect, somehow everything leads to this

[Pirogov]

Quote: 79807420129

Much less than the Armed Forces and national punishers.

You can’t argue much less. But even from the provided lists of heroes of 218 thousand, 50 thousand, it’s not like they were not in the atom and in the Donbass.

[Vard]

Yeah ... like in a fable ... we plowed ... And now it seems that someone will have to answer for the bazaar ..

[Partyzan]

Quote: Vard

And now it seems that someone will have to answer for the bazaar.

not answer, but pay

[Anarchist]

Quote: Partyzan

Quote: Vard

And now it seems that someone will have to answer for the bazaar.

not answer, but pay

Blood! Like the devils! Why how? They are hell ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: Anarchist

Blood! Like the devils!

already done

[pvv113]

Volodya, hello! You do not say so cruelly - the word "pay" in 404 is perceived very painfully

[Partyzan]

Quote: pvv113

in 404 it is perceived very painfully

and what to do

[pvv113]

And what the hell is also under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

[Partyzan]

Quote: pvv113

And what the hell is also under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

I think the Uniates have their own - they are special

[pvv113]

Ahhhh! Got it !!! Their boilers are heated with Pennsylvania coal!

[Partyzan]

Quote: pvv113

Ahhhh! Got it !!! Their boilers are heated with Pennsylvania coal!

[Spartanez300]

It would be better to voice the true number of buried dill participants "atom".

[Kleber]

And who considered them .... especially in the 14-15s.

[Lganhi]

About 29 million people were drafted into the army, navy and aviation during the Second World War, plus another 5 million people in the army, navy and aviation on June 22, 1941. About 7 million people died, plus 2 million more prisoners of war. That is, the combat losses of the USSR are 1 person out of 5 military personnel. According to this calculation, dill should lose 45 thousand people killed, but since the intensity of the war is far from the intensity of the Second World War, it can be assumed that the number of Natsik killed in the region of 10 thousand.

[Glory1974]

it can be assumed that the number of Nazis killed in the region of 10 thousand.

Recently an article on VO was that only non-combat losses of about 10 000 people.

[Lganhi]

It is doubtful. In the year 3000 horses died? 10 Natsik daily? Even if we take into account those who died from diseases, poisoning by moonshine, accidents, executions in a state of delirium, the figure is too high, probably 10 times too high.

[Glory1974]

the figure is too large, since 10 is probably overpriced.

the data is not ours, but from the Ukrainian side. May include unrecognized combat losses.

[Lganhi]

Well, if you include combat losses, it is quite possible.

[evil partisan]

To bind as many citizens of Ukraine as possible with blood is the goal of curators from the Washington Regional Committee. And these and you are glad to try. I will not be surprised that soon the number of participants in the ATO will reach half a million. And then try to make peace there ...

[destination]

But it will not be possible to reconcile. We won’t be reconciled with Civil in any way, a century has passed.

[Tusv]

Quote: wicked partisan

To bind as many citizens of Ukraine as possible with blood is the goal of curators from the Washington Regional Committee.

Why are you too clever for the American elite to expose. There, it’s simple - to bribe the elite, and then yourself

[PalBor]

But what's the point ... Civilians could be killed? This was what the Romanians could do in the Second World War. And they could take Odessa as the 13th divisions, which were defended by two combat Soviet divisions and a naval brigade with a militia. Until the Germans arrived with tanks. But now the Germans will not come.

[PalBor]

And I have had diplomas and cardboard medals since school. 20. True, for creation, and not for destruction.

[Kleber]

The statistics are clearly from the lantern, for five participants 1 with a state award ...

[Lelek]

(And if the whole army (in 220 thousand people) now will request benefits (for example, free land), which Poroshenko mentioned earlier, then the entire Ukrainian military budget will be spent solely on the maintenance of "veterans of the ATO fighting".)

It seems that the "sponsoring" of this expense item by external "benefactors" is carried out through various non-governmental NGOs, of which in the former Ukraine, like a bitch of fleas. So Kiev “hetmanism” doesn’t particularly bother with this issue, and for them to lie like two fingers on asphalt. The militarization of the gray zone is in full swing, shelling of LDNR territories is increasing daily, and the ushlepok Biletsky openly calls for a full-scale war in Donbass to begin.

[YarGa]

And those who fought for the Donbass? Count them, because you will pay benefits to them, and not to Bandera ....

[XXXIII]

Quote: YarGa

And those who fought for the Donbass? Count them, because you will pay benefits to them, and not to Bandera ....

Write from the main account, do not hide the baby .....
Everyone pays, you don’t even know what you think is yours ...... Yes, they could not take Novorossia with such superior feces ..... Have a rest cyborgs.....

[YarGa]

Do not you tell me about Novorossia.
It’s ridiculous to read such convulsions.
It is sad to realize that bad manners and lack of education are a problem not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia.

[dog breeder]

In the situation in the Donbass, the statements of the leaders of the Republics are straining. In my opinion, they care less about fascism in Ukraine, if not for punishment, they would have gone overboard.

[Kleber]

Quote: Partyzan

Quote: Vard

And now it seems that someone will have to answer for the bazaar.

not answer, but pay

They don’t know how to pay .... here yes.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Not that, in my opinion, the author was preoccupied. If you believe the statistics, then Ukraine has a "reserve" of 220 thousand fired soldiers. past realities of modern warfare. So hurray-patriots like "throw caps" you need to moderate the ardor ...

[Kleber]

And if you subtract from this stock of crippled, already dead and drunk ... a lot will be typed?

[private person]

"If you believe the statistics, then Ukraine has a" reserve "of 220 thousand fired fighters who have gone through the realities of the modern war." What are the realities, what are you talking about 3/4 of which are participants only on paper and the rest are from hopelessness and for earning livelihoods. Ideal 5000-10000 thousand and they will not die for the idea of ​​shouting at the Rada building one thing and sitting under the "City" is completely different.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Ah ... Well, if so, then I’m calm ... So tomorrow, Eduard Basurin will remove the sword from its scabbard and chop all the remaining ideological ones ...

[alexmach]

Here, after all, we are only talking about 2014. In 2015, they mobilized (well, or tried) another hundred thousand. And they are already mostly demobilized. Now they declare that only contract volunteers are fighting there.

And someone doubted that the 40-million state could mobilize several hundred thousand by hook or by crook? Someone doubted that there are several tens of thousands of "ideological" GTAs to fight voluntarily?

[Simon]

Quote: Anarchist

Hinting that the land will be in the cemetery? It is possible ...

It looks like they promised! - They’ll give everyone exactly

[alexmach]

Participants in hostilities are not only those who were at the forefront. There were those who were in the anti-terrorist operation zone but far from the front, performed police functions in the rear, provision, work in hospitals with the wounded - these are all also ATO participants. Besides the troops involved in anti-terrorist operation passed rotations, I don’t know how it was in 2014, then there was more confusion, and later in the year of service in the anti-terrorist operation, servicemen went to the front line several times on a monthly or one and a half-month business trip

[sabakina]

Partyzan,
Like Bob, ammunition! Decreased, but they will hell!

[Oleg Andreev]

Well, now we’ll throw ourselves off with them and their relatives for benefits, allowances, pensions ...

[Ural resident]

Normally, the Americans rolled the rink so male population.
tied with blood allegedly by a fight with the Russians.
Here it was necessary for our Mead to fight and shout in all stands

[Going]

And if the whole army (in 220 thousand people) now will request benefits (for example, free land), which Poroshenko mentioned earlier, then the entire Ukrainian military budget will be spent solely on the maintenance of "veterans of the ATO fighting".

Therefore, they strive to “recycle” as much as possible, but the tribunal is not waiting for him.

[Slovak]

ATO’s punishers have the courage only to rob unarmed old people, women and children, rob civilians, send trophies home, steal and sell ammunition and weapons. The gut is thin to demand from Petya the promised 1000 hryvnias per day, a gratuitous straw, larger than 2 x 2 x 0,5 m !?

[LeonidL]

I wonder how much it costs to buy a Veteran ATO certificate ... well, and buy a couple of three tzatseks with Mazepa-Petliura-Bandera symbols?