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Zhores Alfyorov: Russian became the first founders of the state of social justice

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Zhores Alfyorov: Russian became the first founders of the state of social justice



Any historical event is judged by the results. The socialist revolution in Russia created a new, unprecedented system of life, and then an unprecedented union of republics — the Soviet Union. The collapse of his decade later, the current Russian president called the biggest geopolitical catastrophe.

I believe that this is a catastrophe not only for the working people of our country, but also for the entire population of the planet. No matter how I look at what has happened, I am sure that the whole human community has lost it. Including the USA, which put so much effort to remove the rival, they lost more than they gained.

- Why do you think so?

“Because the USA has lost the possibility of competition, thanks to which they have successfully developed in the field of science, technology, and social reforms.”

- That is, for you, undoubtedly the world significance of the Russian revolution?

- Of course. I have repeatedly quoted in my speeches the words of the father of my American friend, Professor Nick Chollanac. He himself was born in America, and his father came from our Transcarpathian region, Rusyns by nationality. So, we came to visit him in a small mining town where he lived, being then, at the beginning of 70, retired. For the festively laid on the occasion of the meeting table and a conversation took place, deeply bumped into my memory.

“If you had told me that Russian workers live better than American ones, I would not have believed you,” began Nick Holanjak Sr., and originally Nikolai Vasilievich Golodnyak. “But I will tell you something that you rarely hear here.” I came here as a boy and in 12 years went to work at the mine. We lived in a hut. We received pennies. We were mercilessly exploited. But then the Russian workers made the October revolution. Our bourgeoisie were afraid that we would do the same and changed our social policy. American workers live well thanks to the Great October Socialist Revolution. "

So in the United States, the old miner Nikolai Vasilyevich Golodnyak, who worked in the mine for more than half a century, told me so.

- Recognition of the international significance of our revolution?

- In my opinion, so. And this is what is called a confession from the soul, because it's worth it.

- But for you, as I understand it, the October Revolution also has a special personal meaning?

- You're right. In our family, this great historical event and, accordingly, on November 7 Day has always been a special relationship. And the essence is in the fate of my father - the worker Ivan Karpovich Alferov.

- He became a Bolshevik in September 1917?

- A month before the Great October Revolution. However, it is worth telling about what preceded it. The roots of the father's family are in the village of Chashniki, Vitebsk Province. In 14 years he went to work at the local paper mill. Many Belarusians, especially the young, left without land and without work, went to work in St. Petersburg. Before the First World War, as I learned, the largest ethnic group in St. Petersburg after the Russians were Belarusians. Two hundred thousand! He went there in the year 1910 and the elder brother of my father is my uncle Valya. He was 18 years old. He entered the Siemens-Schukkert plant, which became the famous Electrosila during the Soviet era, and before retiring, he worked here — he was a fitting mechanic of the 8 class.

Two years later, after my brother, my father also went to the capital. And he also became a St. Petersburg worker. First, in the port loader, then in the envelope factory. But then the war broke out ...

- Called to the army?

- Uncle did not have, because he was already a qualified mechanic, and his father went to fight. In the hussar regiment, in the 4 of the cavalry division. In the same place, but in the dragoon regiment served the future Marshal of the Soviet Union Semen Timoshenko.

My father became chairman of the regimental soldier’s committee, a member of the divisional. And in the summer of 1917, he was put in the Dvina fortress.

- For political activism?

- For campaigning against the war. In the fortress, he met with "Comrade Andrew." It was Soltz, later known as the head of the Central Control Commission of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). And he dad enlightened about how to live on.

- After that, Ivan Karpovich and joined the Bolshevik Party?

- Immediately, as soon as he left the fortress. And he remained loyal to the Communist Party all his life.

- And what did you do on the October days of 1917?

- Was at the historic II Congress of Soviets: the soldiers sent him to Petrograd. Then he reported to Krylenko, who had become Commander in Chief, that the division was ready to fulfill all the tasks of the Soviet government.

He was sent to Don - to fight with the rebellion of Kaledin. There he was captured by the white knights. All the prisoners, about thirty, were stripped, leaving their underwear in one to be shot the next day. But at night they made a dig under the shed, where they were locked up, and the guarding Cossack fell asleep, and they managed to escape. There was a strong frost, and they are in their underwear, barefoot. But the Don Cossacks had no theft, and they did not lock their houses. Dad and a friend went into the hall of the nearest house, got dressed and in 5 hours of the morning went to his squadron.

- Continued to fight after that?

- All Civil. Starting as a private, he became a platoon commander, then a squadron, graduated from the cavalry courses of the commanders of the Red Army and ended the war, commanding a cavalry regiment during the liberation of Azerbaijan. He was twice wounded, contused, for participation in the Civil War was later awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

In 1921, for health reasons, as he said, he moved to serve in the Cheka-GPU. He became specially authorized at a large section of the state border with Poland.

- That border was very hot then!

- Yes ... But then he was transferred as an authorized person to the small town of Kraysk, and he chose the house where he settled. And in this house my future mom lived. And six months later they were married.

Then my father worked at the customs, then - the director of a sawmill, that is, he began his economic activities. Then he headed a large sawmill in Permilovo - this is now the well-known Plesetsk. When I was in Arkhangelsk in 2006, a whole delegation came to me from there. And some remembered their father, although they were then still boys. They remembered that the plant worked well and the work of the plant was shown in documentary films.

- This is the fate of the worker who became the leader in Soviet times.

- He graduated from the Industrial Academy and became, according to the diploma, the engineer-organizer. In the current language - this is the manager. But then they did not train managers “in general”, but with a thorough knowledge of a certain industry. So my father has a diploma, which I keep now, written: the organizer of the pulp and paper industry.

- In this industry, he further worked?

- Basically. As you can see, the father established Soviet power, fought for it, and then led industrial enterprises. It is clear how much the October Revolution meant to him.

- He even gave his revolutionary names to his sons.

- My older brother was born in 1924 in Polotsk and was named Marx. We have a newspaper at home, which tells about it as a sign of a new way of life. Thirteen days old he was admitted to membership in the trade union - “with exemption from paying membership fees until the age of majority”.

- Wonderful!

- And I was born in Vitebsk in 1930. The parents were waiting for the girl and were preparing to give her the usual name of Valeria. But a boy appeared, and his father just read an article about the French revolutionary Jean Jaurès, which made a strong impression on him. So I became Jaures.

- Probably, your father (like many others who are no longer today) would be very surprised and hardly happy when he learned that the November 7 holiday in honor of the October Revolution was canceled here.

- It would amaze him! I called one of my interviews with 90: "I am happy that my parents did not live to that time." The great role of the Russian revolution is recognized throughout the world. How not to recognize it in the homeland of October! If the French continue to celebrate Bastille Day, then our main national holiday, of course, must again be the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

“But, you see, over the past three decades, the heads of people are so fooled by the deafening anti-Soviet and anti-communist propaganda that they need to clarify a lot and much again. What are your main arguments?

- The great significance of the Great October Revolution for our country and all of humanity lies primarily in the fact that it was the first successful experience of creating a state of social justice - an experience that lasted more than 70 years. Yes, there were serious mistakes, shortcomings and even crimes in the path of the pioneers, which is characteristic of any government at all times. However, with all the defects we had, we must look to the root and see the main thing that gave October to the people. Factories and factories — workers, land — to peasants, the abolition of private ownership of implements and means of production, of land — that’s the main thing!

- And people are told: it was all a complete deception ...

- No, reality. The Soviet government gave free education to the people, and we, from the illiterate in the mass of our country, became the most educated country in the world. Free healthcare — and life expectancy has increased from 32 years on average (given the general infant mortality in Czarist Russia) more than doubled. Virtually the entire population was given free housing. It was impossible to have too much - several apartments and houses, but people received the necessary housing. What now?

People then received those rights that were proclaimed by the Stalin Constitution, which, of course (I heard it from the most reputable lawyers), was the best not only in our country, but in the world. It is possible to argue how it was carried out, but in the Soviet Union everyone had the right to work, the right to rest, and again, these were absolutely real rights. Today, I think the older generation can compare and see how much we have lost. And they got ... alas, mostly terrible and nightmarish “innovations”, which, frankly speaking, it would not have been better.

It must be said that the February 1917 revolution of the year was a victory for the Western liberals of the time, and in just 9 months they brought the country to a complete collapse. Today, the current liberals, continuing 25 years to ruin the country, as the fire is afraid of the return of the Soviet Union. I always remember what General Brusilov said, explaining why he went to the Red Army: "Because Lenin saved Russia."

- In a word, are you for the November 7 holiday?

- Sure! I am pleased with how Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko relates to the achievements of the Soviet time. After 1991, the same predatory privatization went out in Belarus, as in Russia, the Russian language was expelled from schools, and all state symbols - the flag, emblem, etc. - copied the so-called Belarusian People’s Republic, which was proclaimed during the occupation of Belarus by the Germans in 1918 year. And the day of its declaration was declared a state holiday - Independence Day.

And Lukashenko returned Soviet symbolism, made Russian the second state language, and it was decided to celebrate Independence Day on the day of the liberation of Minsk by the Red Army in 1944. Lukashenko said this: Belarus became independent thanks to the Red Army.

I believe that the greatest holiday and the real Independence Day for Russia is 7 November. And may he return to us.

Science in the Soviet Union became a productive force

- For you, Zhores Ivanovich, the main field of work has been and remains science. On the eve of the October 100 anniversary, I would like to talk about it.

- Well, science in the Soviet Union was a prestigious area of ​​activity.

- Maybe even the most prestigious!

- In official documents - party, government - science was proclaimed the productive force of society. And it came from Karl Marx, it was formulated by him.

And most importantly, we had a significant result. Today they like to talk about our “one-sidedness”, about the “defense flux” (which, by the way, in other countries is also available), but let's not forget that the Soviet country made a giant leap in its scientific and technical development. And it is the basis of the development of civilization.

In my speeches for the last time I often quote two such quotes. The first is from Frederic Joliot-Curie, from the 1950 lecture of the year in connection with his 50 anniversary, where the great scientist and great citizen said: “Science is necessary for the country. Each power wins its independence by the fact that it brings something new, its own to the treasury of civilization. If this does not happen, it is subject to colonization. "

But recently, in the Year of Light, which was declared 2015 year by the UN decision, I heard a characteristic statement by the Minister of Energy of Saudi Arabia, who said: “The Stone Age ended not because there was a shortage of stone, and the Oil Age would end not because there will be a shortage of oil. " If you think about these words, it will become clear: the development of civilization is due to the birth of new technologies that are created by scientific research and scientific and technical developments.

- Actually, you yourself at different times said the same thing more than once.

- Because it really is extremely important. After all, scientific discoveries can have both positive and negative effects. More recently, we were all worried about how one of the greatest scientific discoveries would be used, which resulted in the creation of atomic weapon. And how did this happen? At the core were the two largest innovative projects of the twentieth century - the US Manhattan project and the Atomic Soviet. Competing among themselves, they gave birth to fantastic technology at the time.

In every major scientific and technical project, it is of crucial importance who implements it. Qualification of people, personnel! So, the problem of leading personnel in the Manhattan project was solved by Adolf Hitler, since the most prominent scientists fled then from Europe to the United States.

- The names of those physicists were perceived in fact, as scientific stars of the first magnitude!

- But we already had a decent power of minds. The personnel problem of the Soviet Atomic Project was solved by Abram Fedorovich Ioffe, who created in the USSR a unique physical school and put forward a whole galaxy of talented students and followers - Kurchatov, Artsimovich, Aleksandrov, Zeldovich, Khariton, Kikoin, Petrzhak, Flerov ... If it had not been for this Soviet physical school , we could not deprive the United States of a monopoly in the creation of atomic weapons.

- Yes, by right your native Physico-Technical Institute in Leningrad is named after A.F. Ioffe - an outstanding Soviet scientist and organizer of scientific activity.

- Considering the topic of our conversation, this should be emphasized. Abram Fedorovich began to create a Physicotechnical Institute immediately after the October Revolution - in 1918, that is, in the most difficult time of the Civil War.

“Although now it is constantly being repeated that it was a time of destruction, not of creation ...”

- That's why I recall such a significant fact. And I also want to note: in tsarist Russia, physics was almost at the zero level. We had only separate groups of scientists in this area. The only physical school, perhaps, is Petr Nikolaevich Lebedev. And what did we have in 1930's when the atomic problem arose and then it was necessary to solve it urgently? We already had the most powerful, recognized all over the world Soviet physical school, which successfully competed its crucial role in competition with the capitalist West.

Not so many Nobel Prize winners. But pay attention: most of them are physicists! And it is very interesting to note that almost all of them came from three institutions: LPI them. Pn Lebedeva and IFP them. P.L. Kapitsa in Moscow, FTI them. A.F. Ioffe in Leningrad. There are hundreds of institutes, but three of them came out because there were world-class scientific schools, and their appearance caused the development and relevance of research and development in the country. And if it were not for the defeat of Soviet science at the beginning of the 90s, I am sure that we would still be in the lead in this and in many other scientific fields.
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  1. krops777
    krops777 12 November 2017 06: 26
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    The socialist revolution in Russia created a new, unprecedented order of life, and then the previously unseen union of republics - the Soviet Union.


    Zhores Ivanovich says the right thing, if not the paradox but the revolution of 1917. and the new order saved Russia from complete collapse and disappearance. After the revolution, we actually ended slavery, and not in 1861 as is commonly believed.
    1. destination
      destination 12 November 2017 07: 16
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      What things is he saying right? Before the revolution, we actually lived ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 12 November 2017 07: 34
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        Well, live .. And it was precisely the Great October Revolution that gave you this life ... Ah! Maybe your ancestors from these .. Your exploiters ... 1% ...
        Quote: destination
        What things is he saying right? Before the revolution, we actually lived ...
        1. destination
          destination 12 November 2017 07: 43
          +8
          Yes, we are not the exploiters, Dim, but the most farmers. Middle peasants, if it will be more clear to you ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 12 November 2017 07: 46
            +9
            So are my farmers .. hi And also reference ..
            Quote: destination
            Yes, we are not the exploiters, Dim, but the most farmers. Middle peasants, if it will be more clear to you ...
          2. Alber
            Alber 13 November 2017 10: 27
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            Quote: destination
            Yes, we are not the exploiters, Dim, but the most farmers. Middle peasants, if it will be more clear to you ...

            "Russians became the first founders of a state of social justice
            ..."
            But where is this JUSTICE with us?
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 12 November 2017 13: 24
        +6
        Quote: destination
        What things is he saying right? Before the revolution, we actually lived ...

        who are we? ... let me curiosity what
      3. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 13 November 2017 09: 51
        +2
        Quote: destination
        Before the revolution, we actually lived ...

        What kind of nobles will you be from?
      4. BEECH 1972
        BEECH 1972 13 November 2017 12: 57
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        Quote: destination
        What things is he saying right? Before the revolution, we actually lived ...

        Where did you live before the revolution? In an agrarian and backward state, the only technological product of which can only be considered a three-line model created with the help of foreign designers?!? and all the rest of the weapons, machinery or equipment were thoroughly "aglichimi" or "custodian"? Humus is the same as you, even if the German fascists had won, would have surely driven a Mercedes and drunk Bavarian beer in barrels. In the concentration camps aha!

        And with such advocates, everyone’s right to go left would be something like this:

        And then like this:

        Or like this:
    2. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 12 November 2017 10: 17
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      Quote: krops777
      it is the revolution of 1917. and the new order saved Russia from complete collapse and disappearance.

      And I would add ... The revolution in Russia has changed the world! For 70 years, and such a breakthrough, despite the war and devastation ... That's what the global financial-industrial groups hate us for!
      The USSR collapsed and what is in the world now ..? Continuous wars, deceits, intrigues .. About space exploration everyone has already forgotten! Everywhere money, money, money .. "Man, man is a wolf .."
      But the USSR was a country of creation, such plans were for the future (judging by the capsules of the message from the descendants of us ..) I read and the tears in my eyes filled with shame, all profiled .. Forgive us grandfathers and great-grandfathers! crying
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 12 November 2017 18: 55
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        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        The USSR collapsed and what is in the world now ..? Continuous wars, deceits, intrigues .. About space exploration everyone has already forgotten! Everywhere money, money, money .. "Man, man is a wolf .."


        Before and during the USSR, the world was a Garden in Eden. well yes.
        1. Alber
          Alber 13 November 2017 10: 16
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          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
          The USSR collapsed and what is in the world now ..? Continuous wars, deceits, intrigues .. About space exploration everyone has already forgotten! Everywhere money, money, money .. "Man, man is a wolf .."


          Before and during the USSR, the world was a Garden in Eden. well yes.


          Well, you "poor fellow" have suffered for centuries. In poverty, from bread to water, without money, without housing, in caves. And GOIs are robbed and exploited from early morning until late at night
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 12 November 2017 13: 14
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      So everything is simple and clear. Zhores Alferov - Great scientist. All liquid crystal technology came from him. Yes, only products based on it we already buy abroad. Sadness, however, with our liberal shit-democrats.
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 13 November 2017 20: 30
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        Quote: siberalt
        So everything is simple and clear. Zhores Alferov - Great scientist. All liquid crystal technology came from him. Yes, only products based on it we already buy abroad. Sadness, however, with our liberal shit-democrats.

        However, our bourgeois sovereign does not consider the Great October Socialist Revolution to be any significant event. Why remind the people of the class struggle? But here, as usual, busting - 1% of parasites controls 70% of the country's wealth, which is nowhere else, neither in developed nor in developing countries. However, the bastards will not be able to calm down - everyone will be rewarded with interest.
    4. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 13: 22
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      Quote: krops777
      how not paradoxical

      And what is the paradox?
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 12 November 2017 06: 30
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    Author: Zhores Alferov, does not change his shoes and does not repaint on the go, loyal to his principles, worthy of respect. hi
    1. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 12 November 2017 10: 08
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      I agree completely, Zhores Alferov - worthy of respect! yes And here, he said very well:
      It must be said that the February 1917 revolution of the year was a victory for the Western liberals of the time, and in just 9 months they brought the country to a complete collapse. Today, the current liberals, continuing 25 years to ruin the country, as the fire is afraid of the return of the Soviet Union. I always remember what General Brusilov said, explaining why he went to the Red Army: "Because Lenin saved Russia."

      These ........, I apologize - "bad people", he meant:
      1. iouris
        iouris 12 November 2017 20: 50
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        And these Russians carried out the first anti-communist slave-owning revolution in the history of mankind, the need for which the real liberals have always spoken about. Like it or not, Russians are always at the forefront.
        1. Alber
          Alber 13 November 2017 10: 30
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          Quote: iouris
          And these Russians carried out the first anti-communist slave-owning revolution in the history of mankind, the need for which the real liberals have always spoken about. Like it or not, Russians are always at the forefront.


          ))) Yes! Indeed, purebred ...
        2. stas
          stas 13 November 2017 11: 07
          +5
          In 1991, a bourgeois coup took place and the corrupt liberals and the drunkard of the EBN were at the head.
          1. wax
            wax 13 November 2017 16: 23
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            Do not forget Judah Gorbi with a company of ersatz communists such as Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Volkogonov and others.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 12 November 2017 14: 49
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      Quote: Dead Day
      Author: Zhores Alferov, does not change his shoes and does not repaint on the go, loyal to his principles, worthy of respect. hi


      You're right. There are people for whom the word "honor" is not just a word of their five letters. And who remain faithful to their vocation - science, no matter what.
      I was lucky to work with Zhores Ivanovich in the 80's on-board solar panels based on gallium arsenide, structure A3B5. The most pleasant memories remained.
      Long life and health to you, dear Zhores Ivanovich!
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 November 2017 06: 59
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    The fact that physics has improved in the state that has formed in place of Russia, and that American workers have begun to live better, is not worth the horrors of the Civil War. The fact that Russia is now split ideologically, territorially, lives without a national elite is a consequence of the work of the "dreamers" of 1917.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 12 November 2017 07: 42
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      Quote: samarin1969
      The fact that physics has improved in the state that has formed in place of Russia, and that American workers have begun to live better, is not worth the horrors of the Civil War.

      The civil war did not begin through the fault of the workers, but through the fault of those who are still waging war. Drawing an analogy with your position, it can also be argued that the creation of oligarchic capitalism in Russia with the thieves' redistribution of public property into private was not worth the destruction of the socialist system, thanks to which you are still alive (although I will say about our loved ones, we are alive) ... belay
      Quote: samarin1969
      The fact that Russia is now split ideologically, territorially, lives without a national elite is a consequence of the work of the "dreamers" of 1917.

      This is a consequence of a planned plan: A. Dulles. "Reflections on the implementation of the American post-war doctrine against the USSR", 1945.
      http://timecops.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&
      t = 999 # p1158
      There are also such lines:
      Literature, theaters, cinema, the press - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings, we will in every way support and raise the so-called artists who will plant and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality.

      In government, we will create chaos and confusion, discreetly, but actively and constantly we will promote tyranny of officials, bribe takers, unscrupulousness, bureaucracy and red tape will bring to virtue. We will ridicule honesty and decency - they will not be needed by anyone, they will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shameless betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, primarily enmity and hatred of the Russian people - all this we will cleverly and inconspicuously cultivate, all this will bloom in a double color .

      And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society ...

      Thus, we will shake generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood and youth, we will always place the main stake on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it.


      And our fault, as well as the fault of the military (I think so) is that we did not allow the best representatives of our society to take power. And now we close our eyes to the situation in which ordinary citizens of the country live. Millions of them continue to hope for a "good master" from St. Petersburg, not realizing that all these hopes have not been justified for a long time:

      Nenila is dead; on a strange land
      The neighbor dodger - harvest a hundredfold;
      Former boys go bearded;
      The free breadman fell into the soldiers,
      And Natasha herself doesn’t rave about her wedding ...
      The master is still gone ... the master is not going!

      Finally one day in the middle of the road
      Hearing seemed to the train train:
      On the drogues, a tall coffin stands oak,
      And in the coffin is a gentleman; and behind the coffin - a new one.
      They buried the old, wiped away the new tears,
      He got into his carriage and left for St. Petersburg.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 12 November 2017 09: 24
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        Quote: Esoteric
        Drawing an analogy with your position, it can also be argued that the creation of oligarchic capitalism in Russia with the thieves' redistribution of public property into private was not worth the destruction of that socialist system,

        I agree with you - not worth it. But 1991 is the next and inevitable stage of "reformatting" of Russia. And in the 1917m and in 1991 people came to power inherently hostile to Russia. Their ultimate goal is to put Russia's wealth under the unlimited control of transnational corporations.
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 12 November 2017 11: 03
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          .. "reformatting" Russia? "How gently !!!
          The creeping counter-revolution of the 90s ... revenge for 1917! + petty-bourgeois elements erupted to the highest power in the party and state from the former and overgrown bureaucracy under Soviet power.
          Today on the ground what?
          The same bureaucratic power ..
          And what is the inevitability - that only a handful must rob millions?
          Nothing like today's being?
          Now who and why ??
          And In Stalin on the growth of the class struggle with the development of socialism (which the Communists of the National Assembly Khrushchev and LI Brezhnev forgot).
          "On the contrary, the more we move forward, the more success we have, the more the remnants of the defeated exploiting classes will become embittered, the sooner they will go to more acute forms of struggle, the more they will harm the Soviet state, the more they will clutch at the very desperate means of struggle as the last means of the doomed ... "(I. Stalin" On the shortcomings of party work and measures to eliminate the Trotskyist and other double-dealing people "//" A word to comrade Stalin. "M., 1995, p. 121-122). "
          (from here http://izhvkpb.narod.ru/princ/princ.html read)
        2. krops777
          krops777 12 November 2017 11: 45
          +1
          And in the 1917m and in 1991 people came to power inherently hostile to Russia. Their ultimate goal is to put Russia's wealth under the unlimited control of transnational corporations.


          They came then they came but didn’t hold back, in 1929 Stalin I.V. came with his team, and since 2000 Putin V.V. with his team.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 12 November 2017 18: 34
            +5
            in 1929 came Stalin I.V. with his team, and since 2000 Putin V.V. with his team.
            Shame on you!?
            1. krops777
              krops777 13 November 2017 07: 49
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              Shame on you!?


              What should I be ashamed of? that Stalin dealt with the Trotskyists and Putin with the oligarchs?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 13 November 2017 10: 59
                +3
                Stalin cracked down
                You can not compare Stalin and the other. Stalin really cracked down. Read about Rottenberg at least.
    2. faiver
      faiver 12 November 2017 11: 39
      +1
      I do not agree, this is a consequence of the work of those who are now in power ...
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 12 November 2017 12: 08
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      Quote: samarin1969
      absolutely not worth the horrors of the Civil War. The fact that Russia is now split ideologically, territorially, lives without a national elite - this is a consequence of the work of the “dreamers” of the 1917 year.
      Who will argue that civil war is trouble and grief, for any country. Only, this is where you can end solidarity with your comment. You distort cause and effect, appointing the Bolsheviks guilty in our Civil War. First, Nicholas II, abdicated from the throne at the height of the First World War, in which he also climbed, making Russian cannon fodder for the sake of crafty allies in the Entente. Failures at the front, have already become a factor for discontent in the country, but the king's abdication only aggravated the situation. Renounce the throne of Nicholas II, nor the Bolsheviks bowed, and his closest circle, like the subsequent February revolution, was not carried out by the Bolsheviks. And this is all in the midst of war. Those who came to power came to the pro-Western government with Mr. Kerensky, who is considered a freemason. What happened next, and then General Kornilov moved to Petrograd, to overthrow the traitors, to return the monarchy. All the prerequisites for the Civil War were already without the Bolsheviks, a civil war could well begin between monarchists and pro-Western liberals. But, most importantly, they stubbornly refuse to recognize the Bolsheviks who condemn the “dreamers” (by which they were not the Bolsheviks), that World War I was the result of the struggle for the world throne of capitalism and leadership in it. The destruction of competitors, of any potentially strong country, was part of the task of a candidate for leadership. The fact that the Ottoman, German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires disappeared, is a consequence of the victory of the Anglo-Saxons. In any case, with or without a king, a strong Russia was not needed by the West. Do not fool yourself here and others. I repeat this often, but do not be Bolsheviks, Yeltsins, Chubais and Gaidar would appear in Russia not after 1991, but after 1917, and Russia would not be a legacy of the powerful Soviet Union, with a nuclear shield, but a semi-literate country that was exhausted World War I and all in debt to the Entente. No one would allow Russia to rise and become a superpower. No matter how bitter the losses from the Civil War, but with the same Yeltsin, Russia has lost no less people, and the total losses with a ruined economy are commensurate with Hitler's invasion. It would be possible to condemn and curse the Bolsheviks, they plundered the country, having achieved power, but they built a great superpower, created a new, independent of all Rothschilds and Rockefelers, pole of power, and the losses from the Civil War here are justified, though bitter. Without these victims, Russia would have lost a little more, and would hardly have survived at all, like a great country. You are obviously not a stupid person, I hope that you still rethink your position.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 12 November 2017 12: 16
        10
        per se in itself smile
        And what did Comrade Churchill say about this ??
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 12 November 2017 12: 45
          +8
          Quote: To be or not to be
          per se in itself
          Well, at least I am not "Baba Yaga", which is "against." As for your "hairpin", so, what is the statement of Mr. Churchill here is fundamentally different from the statement of Harry Truman, about helping the Russians or Germans to kill each other, as much as possible in World War II ... Maybe you sincerely believe the deceitful Britain, which did not want to shelter our disgraced Nicholas, or their desire to have a strong Russia? Yes, the White Guards fought for the cause of Britain, in fact, they were victorious, and it would have been possible to put up a cross on Russia, especially since the gentlemen’s debts to the USA, France and England would be added to the tsar’s debts. There is no need here to expose the care of the fox Churchill of whites against the reds, his concern for a strong Russia. The Russians killed the Russians, and this was good for the Anglo-Saxons, and the Bolsheviks were dangerous for Britain both in terms of spreading socialism around the world, in particular the British colonies, and creating a country independent of the British lobby. What actually happened. An independent pole of socialism appeared, Russia became a superpower, the British colonies fell around the world. Although it is quite possible that the British hoped at first that the reds would collapse Russia faster than whites. "To be or not to be," think for yourself, since you consider this to be your "business card."
      2. Azazel
        Azazel 12 November 2017 18: 30
        +8
        Accept my applause, you are right in essence !!!.
        I’m why, I simply wondered: “why do these Chubais and the gop company exist in power and spoil us to the fullest ??
        Yes, because there is no Stalin on them !!!
        there is no MAN in power who cares for Russia and its people ...
        but there is a ruler watching the interests of the oligarchs ....
      3. samarin1969
        samarin1969 12 November 2017 19: 03
        +2
        [
        Quote: Per se.
        I often repeat this, but if there were no Bolsheviks, Yeltsin, Chubais and Gaidars would not have appeared in Russia after 1991, but after 1917, and Russia here would not have been the legacy of the mighty Soviet Union, with a nuclear shield, but a semi-literate country that was exhausted World War I and all in debt to the Entente. Nobody would have allowed Russia to rise and become a superpower.
        .... Otherwise, I agree with you ... For you, the main thing is to be a superpower, for me the main thing is to remain Russia, albeit "semi-literate." Thank you for the correct judgment, even in VO - this is rare.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 13 November 2017 05: 45
          +3
          Quote: samarin1969
          For you, the main thing is to be a superpower, for me the main thing is to remain Russia, albeit a “semi-literate”.
          That is the problem, dear Konstantin Viktorovich, that Russia can either be great or not be. This is the main thing for Russia to remain Russia. "Songs of car wheels", even Sergey Yesenin stopped wanting to listen already in the 20s of the last century. Good luck to you.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 November 2017 18: 32
      +4
      not worth the horrors of the Civil War
      And perestroika, the horrors of the 90s, what good did they lead to? Cars in the yards, bought on credit. And again, credit slavery.
      The hater of the Soviet will tell about the successes of the current government, only close the training manual!
    5. stas
      stas 13 November 2017 12: 38
      0
      Samarin1969, your views are the result of liberal garbage that you have been knocked into your head from childhood.
    6. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 13 November 2017 15: 04
      +2
      samarin1969
      The fact that physics has improved in the country that has formed in place of Russia, and American workers have begun to live better, is not worth the horrors of the Civil War. The fact that Russia is now split ideologically, territorially, lives without a national elite is a consequence of the work of the "dreamers" of 1917

      1) The achievements of the USSR, formed on the site of the Russian Empire, are not limited to physics.
      2) Improving the lives of American workers is a side effect for Soviet citizens and a forced concession by the capitalists.
      3) The Bolsheviks did not start the Civil War.
      4) Now Russia is split ideologically, territorially, lives without a national elite - but do not you think that these are questions for the current government? The dreamers of 1917 knocked out the interventionists, dealt with the whites, the nation-wide ideology existed, the state was preserved (Poland and Finland - and were not very integrated in the Republic of Ingushetia), the national elite was created on an intellectual basis. Is Lenin to blame for the fact that Shuvalov carries dogs to an exhibition on an airplane?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 13 November 2017 17: 06
        0
        Do you think that social justice is worth revolution and civil war? It was not in any state. History is not a struggle of classes, it is a struggle of some peoples against others. The German "proletarians" in 1941m showed this well. For me, if Shuvalov frantically defended the interests of Russia, then let even 500 dogs ride. The elite are the leaders of the people, there are few intellectuals among them, these are people not words, but deeds. I didn’t notice intellectuals among the Politburo, well, maybe Mikhail Andreich. wink
    7. wax
      wax 13 November 2017 16: 26
      +1
      Well, yes, a poke in the face is the fault of the one who was given in the face for disobedience to lick boots.
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 12 November 2017 07: 38
    14
    The USA, and the whole World, were so frightened of the October Revolution that they are still trying to strangle Russia and will strangle no matter what - Crimea, LDNR, Putin and everything else is just an excuse to strangle! Moreover - if there had not been the October Revolution, they would still have been strangled. Two World Wars organized against Russia.
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 20: 52
      0
      This bottom is already broken. What could be worse than friendship with Anglo-Saxon?
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 November 2017 07: 51
    15
    October and the creation of the USSR definitely changed the picture of the world. American workers must be grateful to communism. Well, that wild dead end with "Western civilization" is largely due to the "victory" over the USSR. The development of mankind has stopped. Technological progress has redirected itself to meeting needs (and writing new ones)!
  6. fa2998
    fa2998 12 November 2017 08: 02
    +2
    [quote = Grandfather] Author: Zhores Alferov, does not change his shoes and does not repaint on the go, loyal to his principles, worthy of respect. hi[/ quote
    It turns out according to Alferov, now it is necessary to arrange a grandiose social squabble so that our authorities and the rich pay attention to the people, to the workers, to arrange decent conditions for them so that they would not be washed away into the sewers of history at all? recourse request hi
    1. wax
      wax 13 November 2017 16: 28
      0
      It turns out according to Alferov, now we need to arrange a grandiose social squabble

      Alferov did not hint at this.
  7. vitalm
    vitalm 12 November 2017 08: 10
    12
    A good idea! - make November 7 Independence Day. I am for such a choice.
  8. Ural resident
    Ural resident 12 November 2017 10: 11
    +2
    A society of social justice is certainly good.
    But at whose expense should social justice be?
    Free medicine, education? - Yes, but the same doctors and teachers also want to earn money and be in this justice.
    In a word, this requires either a powerful economy with the private sector, national campaigns, access to the foreign market, etc. Or everyone should work for free, producing goods and services for others, and at the same time get whatever they want.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 12 November 2017 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      But at whose expense should social justice be?

      You do not understand?
      Well, the tads themselves judge, the decile coefficient in Russia is 1k 15 by officialdom, they say that in reality it is 1 to 25, and now strain and decide at whose expense there is no that same social justice.
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Free medicine, education? - Yes, but the same doctors and teachers also want to earn money and be in this justice.

      Free medicine does not deny that it is for the population, and a doctor or teacher should receive good content, but not be quasi-esculapis for the sake of money or a woeful teacher for the same money.
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      In a word, this requires either a powerful economy with a private sector, national campaigns, access to a foreign market, etc.

      What or who is stopping? And who said that the notorious market is something that supposedly solves all issues?
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Or everyone should work for free, producing goods and services for others, well, and get everything you want.

      And what is this passage for? Only if automation in production or production technology reaches the level of complete non-intervention of a person, a matter of the distant future.
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 12 November 2017 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      In a word, this requires either a powerful economy with a private sector, national campaigns, access to a foreign market, etc.

      The world is not perfect. In all times and in all countries there has been and will be injustice. Therefore, you are right, the only option is "a powerful economy with the private sector, national campaigns, access to the foreign market, etc."
    3. krops777
      krops777 12 November 2017 11: 48
      +4
      But at whose expense should social justice be?


      Well, for this at least you need to read the works of K. Marx and V. Lenin.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 November 2017 18: 38
      +4
      But at whose expense should social justice be?
      What are you talking about here? At whose expense now Tinkov, Rottenberg, Shuvalov and other living things under socialism for the elite?
    5. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 13 November 2017 15: 15
      0
      Ural resident
      A society of social justice is certainly good.
      But at whose expense should social justice be?
      Free medicine, education? - Yes, but the same doctors and teachers also want to earn money and be in this justice.
      In a word, this requires either a powerful economy with the private sector, national campaigns, access to the foreign market, etc. Or everyone should work for free, producing goods and services for others, and at the same time get whatever they want.

      Is it really impossible? Chinese socialism is the development of Stalin, without Khrushchev-Trotskyist perversions. Who ditched the artels?
    6. wax
      wax 13 November 2017 16: 34
      0
      [quote] [Either everyone should work for free, producing goods and services for others, well, and at the same time receive whatever they want / quote]
      This was the goal: “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”, but for this, a gigantic socio-economic and cultural leap was yet to be accomplished.
  9. steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 November 2017 12: 03
    +6
    Why do not we smart and loyal people of Russia go to the presidency? And why do the presidents not allow such people near themselves? But the Kudrins, Ulyukaevs, Chubais, Medvedevs and all sorts of kinder surprises are kept as irreplaceable.
  10. steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 November 2017 12: 06
    11
    I will not vote for Putin!
  11. VladGashek
    VladGashek 12 November 2017 12: 28
    +2
    Beautiful life, worthy of imitation. As popular wisdom says: Horses do not change at the crossing, and so are the views during the years of trials. An example for the “professor”, who in the 80s was faithful Leninists, and now they have become cardiac Americanophiles (tsipko).
    1. MrK
      MrK 12 November 2017 16: 08
      +5
      Quote: Vladgashek
      The horses at the crossing do not change, and so are the views during the years of testing.

      There are no horses, but donkeys need to be changed.
  12. Barkun
    Barkun 12 November 2017 12: 48
    +7
    Well, I respect the man! And Dad was right, he brought up an intelligent lad :).
  13. Karen
    Karen 12 November 2017 13: 09
    0
    Hmm, it was interesting to know that in St. Petersburg there was a 200 thousandth Belarusian ethnic group ... soon we will find out about the Tambov ethnic group and about the Voronezh ethnic group ..
    Well, how can you not understand the Ukrainians ...
  14. Dead duck
    Dead duck 12 November 2017 13: 22
    +7

    something like this ...
  15. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 November 2017 14: 05
    +6
    I agree with Zhores Ivanovich Alferov - the Revolution of 1917 and the coming to power of the Communists, it was a victory for all of our people.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 12 November 2017 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: quilted jacket
      The revolution of the 1917 of the year and the coming to power of the Communists was the victory of our entire people.

      All revolutions in Russia took place without taking into account the opinions of the people, workers in labor armies, peasants in collective farms, but in their decree they promised the opposite, and the soldier did not crawl out of the wars while the USSR existed, who will now believe the new revolutionaries will be deceived again, for the better in the worst case they’ll put them on the wall as an enemy of the people, if here on the forum you can become an enemy of the people for two times, if your opinion is contrary to others, what will happen if Navalny, Alferov, Zhirinovsky come to power, they all own truth, the main thing is ambition orit ...
      Therefore, the short-barrel is not allowed in the Russian Federation, nor does anyone know how the next revolution will end, and the new civil war will be so much more brutal, because people already know who the communists, monarchists and liberals are .... they will cut into flaps ....
      1. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 13 November 2017 10: 59
        +3
        Man, what’s your head for? Wear a hat?
        How can you put Zhores Alferov and Zhirik on a par, not to mention bulk?
        Alferov is recognized by the whole world, but what did this clown Zhirik do? I’m silent about the third one!
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 November 2017 15: 05
    14
    It was before 1917 - It became after 1917 until 1991 - It became after 1991
    Liberasts in power - in the country there are only churches and taverns.
    1. alekc73
      alekc73 12 November 2017 16: 06
      +5
      Facts are stubborn things, but the electorate is not capable of logical conclusions. They vote “heart and stomach.” They will be carried on any gingerbread. Until we become more intelligent we will live like that.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 12 November 2017 17: 12
        +6
        it doesn’t matter how they vote, but it’s important how they count ...
        Napoleon III
    2. Deck
      Deck 12 November 2017 17: 19
      0
      The liberal king is strong! I completely agree with the caption below the picture, but your comment is a masterpiece.
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 November 2017 03: 07
      +5
      Quote: 16112014nk
      in the country there are only churches and taverns.

      And not a church, not a tavern
      Nothing is holy!
      No guys, it's not like that!
      All wrong guys!
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 13 November 2017 11: 08
        +1
        Oh yes! I forgot about the mosques and "shawarma-barbecue-tandoor."
  17. AKC
    AKC 12 November 2017 18: 40
    0
    if a country of social justice. that is why people fleeing from the country in shoals to the unjust west. ask how many defectors, traitors were. applying for political asylum from the USSR and the countries of the socialist camp, on several occasions from Western countries!
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 12 November 2017 18: 51
      0
      Yeah. Nobody escaped especially from the “rotting FRG” to the GDR, just like from the ROK to the DPRK ...
      However, do not abuse the "kindness" of the forum users, one more such comment and you will be called a liberal at best, and then they will provoke insults to the one who insulted you before, I earned my two bans ...
      1. AKC
        AKC 12 November 2017 19: 38
        0
        Thank. for warning. Well, I'm not the first time here either !! and it makes no difference to me what they call me. I think the truth is above all
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 12 November 2017 18: 58
      +9
      I am an emotional person, so I won’t answer you - they will ban me completely. But here is what I remember from my happy childhood - every day on Western TV we showed stories like from the Union, in which, due to the barbed wire in bad Russian, men and women in quilted jackets shouted at the camera how badly they lived in the USSR. And this is constant. The plots changed, the essence was one. From day to day. Many believed in the end. Moreover - when my parents said that we were replacing the Urals, I was horrified - polar bears live there and everyone wears earflaps! Are you talking about foreigners laughing drinks
      1. AKC
        AKC 12 November 2017 19: 26
        +1
        I want to ask you in which region the USSR lived. that they could watch Western TV shows. in the outback of Russia showed 2 channels 1 and 2 tct.
        I won’t even argue that everything can be, no one has canceled the propaganda. so in the Union they constantly showed the poor. humiliated blacks who also shouted at the cameruch because they felt bad, and as it turned out later, they were richer than many Soviet residents. or for example, demonstrators dissatisfied with the war of the American military, despite the fact that in the Union it was impossible to go out to protest against the war, for example in Afghanistan!
    3. Alber
      Alber 13 November 2017 13: 59
      0
      Quote: AKC
      if a country of social justice. that is why people fleeing from the country in shoals to the unjust west. ask how many defectors, traitors were. applying for political asylum from the USSR and the countries of the socialist camp, on several occasions from Western countries!

      Traitors fled - Gordievsky, Penkovsky, Kalugins ...
  18. demo
    demo 12 November 2017 18: 48
    +4
    Despite my deep respect for academician Alferov, not everything that he says can be interpreted as he does.
    Not everyone.
    Celebrating today the day of the Great October Revolution of 1917 is forgiven blasphemy.
    Why?
    Yes, because in spite of further positive changes in society, in industry in everything, this primarily led to the confrontation of some Russians with others.
    And this confrontation spilled over into rivers, lakes and seas of blood.
    In millions of ruined lives.
    To hundreds of thousands forced to go into exile.
    By the dawn of the most base and monstrous manifestations of the bestial nature of man, both on the one hand and on the other.
    The most declassed elements devoid of elementary restraining principles surfaced from the very bottom.
    Anarchy and a cult of power reigned in the country.
    Millions of children left without parents, without their care and upbringing, replenished street gangs, later many of them made up the backbone of Soviet crime, the laws of which they live and use today.
    Robbery, robbery, banditry, speculation - these were the main associates in the early years of the revolution.
    The breakdown of moral principles, the looting in the beginning, and then the physical liquidation of the Church Fathers later led to the decomposition of society.
    The revolution made the most terrible move - its main adept, Lenin, proclaimed the principle - the right of nations to self-determination.
    That was the worst blow.
    And we are reaping the fruits of this today. And although for 25 years since the USSR was gone, we will reap this bitter devilish brew oh oh how long.
    And then what happened?
    It’s not worth it further.
    It was good too.
    But we must always honestly talk about what happened.
    And do not cover up the blood-drenched walls with pink paint.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 13 November 2017 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: demo
      And do not cover up the blood-drenched walls with pink paint.

      Do you want to be reminded of 1993? Have you stopped before the shootings? No?
      Then you have no right to condemn the opinion of J. Alferov.
      Nothing, since 90, you could not provide society with the positive.
    2. stas
      stas 13 November 2017 12: 50
      +4
      demo, you freak, actually the king was removed by the bourgeois February revolution.
      The Bolsheviks saved Russia from collapse.
      And the dream of a just social state is a movement forward.
      So tell your eccentricities to your offspring until they send them away - in Russian.
      1. Alber
        Alber 13 November 2017 14: 07
        0
        Quote: stas
        actually the king was removed by the bourgeois February revolution


        The former emperor was executed with his children and relatives directly: Beloborodov (Vaibard), Yankel Yurovsky, Shaya Goloshchekin and other villains on the orders of Yankel Moishavich Sverdlov, with the knowledge of Lenin
        1. stas
          stas 13 November 2017 16: 15
          +1
          You are even smarter than Sharikov. If you have questions for Jews, please write to Israel.
          Why the rulers of Europe did not accept Nicholas 2.
          The civil war would have continued for a long time if there had been a Tsar for whom it was necessary and possible to fight.
          And as the British cut off the head of their queen, they are better. And how the USA helped to kill Hussein and Gaddafi, so put your tongue in place, and did not move it.
          1. Alber
            Alber 14 November 2017 11: 22
            0
            Quote: stas
            You are even smarter than Sharikov. If you have questions for Jews, please write to Israel.
            Why the rulers of Europe did not accept Nicholas 2.
            The civil war would have continued for a long time if there had been a Tsar for whom it was necessary and possible to fight.
            And as the British cut off the head of their queen, they are better. And how the USA helped to kill Hussein and Gaddafi, so put your tongue in place, and did not move it.

            As for your "mind", I would not disgrace. How, how, how ... Akaki Akakievich!
            And as for the language, look at where you can fit it: if you think it is very sharp, then maybe shave one place. Which I will not say, in order to avoid conflict with the moderators. Think of it yourself, if you think that you need to not only eat your head, you are our "witty" ...
            And yet, yes, I think you stepped on a sore spot)
        2. wax
          wax 13 November 2017 16: 45
          +1
          http://leninism.su/lie/4494-anti-starikov-pochemu
          -istoriya-vse-taki-nauka.html? showall = & start =
          6
          Among the direct killers there were also members of the Leninist party, the family was not without a freak, but the Yekaterinburg regional council decided in spite of the clear instructions of Lenin. In essence, the Social Revolutionaries became the killers of the royal family.
          http://leninism.su/lie/4538-ubijstvo-tsarskoj-sem
          i-byla-li-sanktsiya-moskvy.html
    3. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 13 November 2017 15: 38
      +2
      demo
      Despite my deep respect for academician Alferov, not everything that he says can be interpreted as he does.
      Not everyone.
      Celebrating today the day of the Great October Revolution of 1917 is forgiven blasphemy.
      Why?
      Yes, because in spite of further positive changes in society, in industry in everything, this primarily led to the confrontation of some Russians with others.
      And this confrontation spilled over into rivers, lakes and seas of blood.
      In millions of ruined lives.
      To hundreds of thousands forced to go into exile.

      The civil war was not started by the Bolsheviks.
      By the dawn of the most base and monstrous manifestations of the bestial nature of man, both on the one hand and on the other.
      To the surface surfaced from the very bottom
      declassed elements devoid of elementary restraining principles
      .

      In an interview, Alferov talks about his father, who became the leader. it
      declassed elements devoid of elementary restraining principles
      or social elevator?
      Millions of children left without parents, without their care and upbringing, replenished street gangs, later many of them made up the backbone of Soviet crime, the laws of which they live and use today.

      The consequences of the 1st World War and the Civil War, and subsequently homelessness eliminated by the Bolsheviks.
      The revolution made the most terrible move - its main adept, Lenin, proclaimed the principle - the right of nations to self-determination.

      In this case, Lenin did not invent anything new - this idea existed independently of him. Have you heard about Polish and Finnish separatism? And what about the Cossack mountain republics? When did they begin to form?
      And although for 25 years since the USSR was gone, we will reap this bitter devilish brew oh oh how long.

      And although there has been no USSR for 25 years, Lenin, Stalin, Beria and the CPSU (b) are to blame for everything. And the modern government is NOTHING !!!
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 November 2017 20: 20
    +7
    Our party-Komsomol elite surrendered in 1991 all the gains in pursuit of the division of national property. But not to all Russians, not figs to stagnate and vilify my country. To criticize and love her at the same time, only the Russian in essence has the right.
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2017 20: 54
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      But not to all Russians, not figs to stagnate and vilify my country.

      Are you king Very nice.
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 12 November 2017 20: 59
        +3
        I am Russian. And this is my country. Only those who are ready to go on defending her can criticize her.
        1. iouris
          iouris 12 November 2017 21: 04
          0
          This is incomprehensible. Who do you position yourself during the civil war?
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 13 November 2017 15: 42
      0
      vladimirvn Yesterday, 20:20
      Our party-Komsomol elite surrendered in 1991 all the gains in pursuit of the division of national property. But not to all Russians, not figs to stagnate and vilify my country. To criticize and love her at the same time, only the Russian in essence has the right.
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, pleasantly surprised by your interest in VO.
  20. algonquin
    algonquin 13 November 2017 04: 11
    +4
    Quote: demo
    Yes, because in spite of further positive changes in society, in industry in everything, this primarily led to the confrontation of some Russians with others.
    And this confrontation spilled over into rivers, lakes and seas of blood.
    In millions of ruined lives.
    To hundreds of thousands forced to go into exile.

    1. What are hundreds of thousands in migration?
    I do not believe without evidence, show ears and paws and tail.
    2. Civil wars were:

    -in USA
    -in Ireland (in the 20s, when the Republic of Ireland finally stood out)
    -1922-1923 Civil war in Paraguay.
    1923-1924 The civil war in Mexico.
    1923-1925 The civil war in Ecuador.
    1927-1949 The civil war in China.
    -Civil War in Spain
    -1947 Civil War in Paraguay. (novel Honorary Consul of Graham Green)
    1948 Civil war in Costa Rica.
    1948-1958 Civil War in Colombia (La Violencia).
    Civil war in Greece (1946 - October 1949)
    1948-2012 The civil war in Burma (now Myanmar).
    1955-1972 The first civil war in Sudan.
    1956-1959 The civil war in Cuba.
    1957-1975 Civilian Won in Vietnam.
    1958 Civil war in Lebanon.
    1960-1973 The civil war in Laos.
    1960-1996 The civil war in Guatemala.
    1962-1970 Civil War in North Yemen.
    1964 — present The Civil War in Colombia.
    1965-1990 First civil war in Chad
    1967-1970 The civil war in Nigeria.
    1967-1975 The civil war in Cambodia.
    1970-1971 Civil War in Jordan (Black September).
    and further - Nicaragua, El Salvador, Indonesia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Libya, and so on.
    February 1934 uprising in Austriaand (German Februarkämpfe 1934), also known as the Civil War in Austria (German Österreichischer Bürgerkrieg) - armed clashes between left-wing (social democratic) and right-wing groups on February 12-16, 1934 in the cities of Vienna, Graz, Wiener Neustadt, Brook en den Moore, Steyr and Judenburg. Up to 1600 people died and went missing on both sides. caused by the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
    Moreover, in the 20-30 years a civil war was waged in a completely "qi
    vilified European countries2 - Ireland-Great Britain, Spain, and the wars of France with their colonies -? French Morocco and Indochina, also to some extent civil wars, which caught some prominent citizens for involuntary resettlement.
    And Mikis Theodorakis was in prison
    During the civil war in Greece (1946-1949), the composer was sent to exile on the island of Ikaria, and then placed to a concentration camp on the island of Makronisos, where he was also tortured and beaten.
    In April 1967, shortly after the coup arranged by the "black colonels", Theodorakis went underground. Colonels banned his music, and soon the composer went to prison, where he spent five months. In 1968, he was released under pressure from world opinion and sent into exile, but already in 1969 they were placed in the Oropos concentration camp (near Athens). World-famous cultural figures stood up for him again, in particular, D. Shostakovich, L. Bernstein, A. Miller, G. Belafonte. This had an effect, and in April 1970 the composer was released. Since 1970, he lived and worked in France. In exile, he continued the struggle, staging concerts in favor of fighters with the junta. After the fall of the junta in July 1974, Theodorakis returned to Greece again.

    Jean Renault - SpaniardBy the way, until the 1970s, Spain actually had a "Stalinist-totalitarian regime" read "Monsignor Quixote" by Graham Green and why Catalan grandmothers welcomed the independence of Catalonia. because unlike Stalin, who "gave the national alphabet" up to the Nivkhs, Franco forbade the Catalan language.

    Repressions against political opponents (these included communists, socialists, anarchists, republicans and separatists from Catalonia and the Basque Country) continued until the very death of Franco. So, in 1974, the execution of the Catalan anarchist Salvador Puig Antique at the garrote caused a strong international response. by the verdict of a francist court. In the same time, Franco gave refuge to many fugitive Nazis and their accomplices, in particular, the leader of the Croatian Ustasha Ante Pavelic.
    All this time (since 1947) Spain was considered a monarchy with the vacant seat of a king. Franco decided that Prince Juan Carlos should become king after his death, which happened in 1975.
    Latin American and African wars adjoin national liberation wars
    Georgia-Transnistria and Yugoslavia are also nationalistic

    still similar in that there was one " semi-feudal-semi-colonial system ", when the ruling elite in the person of monarchs and the environment "was too far from the people", mentally existed in the times of either the sultanate, or the estates of the autocrat.
  21. algonquin
    algonquin 13 November 2017 04: 29
    +1
    Quote: algonquin
    Quote: demo
    Yes, because in spite of further positive changes in society, in industry in everything, this primarily led to the confrontation of some Russians with others.
    And this confrontation spilled over into rivers, lakes and seas of blood.
    In millions of ruined lives.
    To hundreds of thousands forced to go into exile.

    1. What are hundreds of thousands in migration?
    I do not believe without evidence, show ears and paws and tail.
    2. Civil wars were:

    -in USA
    -in Ireland (in the 20s, when the Republic of Ireland finally stood out)
    -1922-1923 Civil war in Paraguay.
    1923-1924 The civil war in Mexico.
    1923-1925 The civil war in Ecuador.
    1927-1949 The civil war in China.
    -Civil War in Spain
    -1947 Civil War in Paraguay. (novel Honorary Consul of Graham Green)
    1948 Civil war in Costa Rica.
    1948-1958 Civil War in Colombia (La Violencia).
    Civil war in Greece (1946 - October 1949)
    1948-2012 The civil war in Burma (now Myanmar).
    1955-1972 The first civil war in Sudan.
    1956-1959 The civil war in Cuba.
    1957-1975 Civilian Won in Vietnam.
    1958 Civil war in Lebanon.
    1960-1973 The civil war in Laos.
    1960-1996 The civil war in Guatemala.
    1962-1970 Civil War in North Yemen.
    1964 — present The Civil War in Colombia.
    1965-1990 First civil war in Chad
    1967-1970 The civil war in Nigeria.
    1967-1975 The civil war in Cambodia.
    1970-1971 Civil War in Jordan (Black September).
    and further - Nicaragua, El Salvador, Indonesia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Libya, and so on.
    February 1934 uprising in Austriaand (German Februarkämpfe 1934), also known as the Civil War in Austria (German Österreichischer Bürgerkrieg) - armed clashes between left-wing (social democratic) and right-wing groups on February 12-16, 1934 in the cities of Vienna, Graz, Wiener Neustadt, Brook en den Moore, Steyr and Judenburg. Up to 1600 people died and went missing on both sides. caused by the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
    Moreover, in the 20-30 years a civil war was waged in a completely "qi
    vilified European countries2 - Ireland-Great Britain, Spain, and the wars of France with their colonies -? French Morocco and Indochina, also to some extent civil wars, which caught some prominent citizens for involuntary resettlement.
    And Mikis Theodorakis was in prison
    During the civil war in Greece (1946-1949), the composer was sent to exile on the island of Ikaria, and then placed to a concentration camp on the island of Makronisos, where he was also tortured and beaten.
    In April 1967, shortly after the coup arranged by the "black colonels", Theodorakis went underground. Colonels banned his music, and soon the composer went to prison, where he spent five months. In 1968, he was released under pressure from world opinion and sent into exile, but already in 1969 they were placed in the Oropos concentration camp (near Athens). World-famous cultural figures stood up for him again, in particular, D. Shostakovich, L. Bernstein, A. Miller, G. Belafonte. This had an effect, and in April 1970 the composer was released. Since 1970, he lived and worked in France. In exile, he continued the struggle, staging concerts in favor of fighters with the junta. After the fall of the junta in July 1974, Theodorakis returned to Greece again.

    Jean Renault - SpaniardBy the way, until the 1970s, Spain actually had a "Stalinist-totalitarian regime" read "Monsignor Quixote" by Graham Green and why Catalan grandmothers welcomed the independence of Catalonia. because unlike Stalin, who "gave the national alphabet" up to the Nivkhs, Franco forbade the Catalan language.

    Repressions against political opponents (these included communists, socialists, anarchists, republicans and separatists from Catalonia and the Basque Country) continued until the very death of Franco. So, in 1974, the execution of the Catalan anarchist Salvador Puig Antique at the garrote caused a strong international response. by the verdict of a francist court. In the same time, Franco gave refuge to many fugitive Nazis and their accomplices, in particular, the leader of the Croatian Ustasha Ante Pavelic.
    All this time (since 1947) Spain was considered a monarchy with the vacant seat of a king. Franco decided that Prince Juan Carlos should become king after his death, which happened in 1975.
    Latin American and African wars adjoin national liberation wars
    Georgia-Transnistria and Yugoslavia are also nationalistic

    still similar in that there was one " semi-feudal-semi-colonial system ", when the ruling elite in the person of monarchs and the environment "was too far from the people", mentally existed in the times of either the sultanate, or the estates of the autocrat.

    There were defin. socio-economic and socio-political processes / phenomena and currents.

    Post rally, it was still about I. Adjani, who was born during the Algerian war . Her father emigrated from Algeria, Ajani's mother, a German. and Zidane's parents emigrated also before the same war.
    So no directly outside the historical processes through the fault of the Bolsheviks did not happen.
    The upper classes and the middle class could not and did not want, and a handful of passionaries "saddled the ripening popular unrest"
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  23. kig
    kig 13 November 2017 05: 38
    +1
    Here's what smart people say about social justice:

    Social justice is one of the widespread social ideals. Its specific content, as well as its name, has changed throughout history. It is one of the main categories of left ideology.

    According to some modern ideas, the implementation of the principle in practice includes:

    - equality of all citizens before the law
    - providing guarantees of human life
    - high level of social security.


    Now let's recall how these principles were implemented in the first years since 20 after the revolution. The state was called the state of workers and peasants. There should not have been any other categories in this state. At first, this principle was carried out with all diligence. Then it turned out that we needed more scientists, doctors, engineers, and teachers. For them, they came up with the name "socialist intelligentsia" and they were timidly called a layer. Well, just then a completely new class of Soviet officials, members of their families and relatives of their families formed. What can I say, some of our Soviet peasants did not have passports until sometime in the mid-60s. And there couldn’t be another, what kind of social system you think of, all this will end. So social justice can only be discussed in philosophical disputes.
  24. Lnglr
    Lnglr 13 November 2017 09: 20
    +8
    I read some comments in an interview with a Nobel laureate.
    And just ...... yu.
    What are you? Do you seriously think that you understand more about it?
    What would be more culturally called?
    Miscarriages of worship.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 November 2017 09: 35
    +1
    “Russia is the best Motherland in the world! But the most awkward state! ”
    N. Zadornov
  26. fider
    fider 13 November 2017 09: 51
    +2
    Something the Nobel laureate did not say a word about his mother. And his mother was Jewish. And dad is Belarusian. And the laureate himself became a communist. It's a pity. For such a long life I did not understand anything.
    1. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 13 November 2017 15: 54
      +1
      fider Today, 09:51
      Something the Nobel laureate did not say a word about his mother. And his mother was Jewish. And dad is Belarusian. And the laureate himself became a communist

      If mother is Jewish and father is Belarusian, then J. Alferov is Belarusian. And if he is a Nobel laureate (not of the world, but for real scientific achievements), then he is smart. J. Alferov is a communist, which means smart people are communists.
      . Sorry. For such a long life I did not understand anything.

      And for this I will continue the logical chain. Judging by your statements, you are not a communist. So you do not belong to smart people.
      1. fider
        fider 15 November 2017 14: 34
        0
        sunzhenets
        Himself so! fellow
  27. kiprei
    kiprei 13 November 2017 10: 32
    +1
    I do not like capitalism. Take at least television. What it has turned into is an endless stream of advertising, it’s better for me to party congresses with my dear and beloved than all these sales and marketing that I want.
  28. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov 13 November 2017 10: 43
    +2
    They didn’t save. Thank you, Gorbachev for the collapse of the USSR. Traitors like Gorbachev are born in Russia every millennium.
    1. wax
      wax 13 November 2017 17: 50
      +2
      Gorbi moved Judas on the podium.
  29. Lnglr
    Lnglr 13 November 2017 11: 29
    +8
    We must also add:
    If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical care, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? I have always said at all levels that healthcare, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us!
    (c) J. Alferov
  30. Alex66
    Alex66 13 November 2017 12: 01
    +4
    But then the Russian workers carried out the October Revolution. Our bourgeoisie were afraid that we would do the same, and changed our social policy. "American workers live well thanks to the Great October Socialist Revolution."
    And now the reverse process is underway, the enslavement of workers, the working day will be increased, pensions will be canceled ... Lenin should be buried in order to erase from memory what he gave, the fear that shook the bourgeois, the monuments were being demolished. We will have the same thing. Our bourgeoisie will not spare us, already most of the services are in fact paid, the state does not treat children, and takes the money to the United States. And whatever the revolution, there will be total control over everyone.
  31. Greenwood
    Greenwood 13 November 2017 12: 07
    +2

    What other Soviet science, what other Nobel laureates, what kind of social justice is there?!?! We have our own atmosphere here.
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 13 November 2017 13: 09
      +1
      so the PTVP group sings (it’s strongly said, of course :))) the following:
      Lyrics of P.T.V.P. - "Human Rights" (God bless Putin!)
      God save Putin from our contempt
      God bless Putin and his generation
      Putin is power, she dictates laws
      Putin is you, Putin is millions
      God save Putin!
      God save Putin!
      God save Putin!
      And its f **** d mode
      Права человека
  32. Holsten
    Holsten 15 November 2017 23: 38
    +1
    Have Russians become the first founders of a state of social justice? Not at all . It was an attempt to recreate the society of social justice, which, apparently, still remained with the Russians at the genetic level.