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Airbus Unveils New Fighter Concept for Europe

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At the International Fighter 2017 conference held in Berlin, Airbus Defense and Space Corporation unveiled the concept of a fifth generation fighter for the EU, reports Lenta.ru report Post editions of Jane's 360.


Airbus Unveils New Fighter Concept for Europe


Created by the corporation New Fighter should be part of a family of manned and unmanned vehicles system FCAS (Future Combat Air System). The fighter was ordered by Germany and France. It is assumed that in the 2040-ies the aircraft will replace the fourth-generation fighter Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.



Airbus said it was "interested in accelerating the development of a fifth-generation European fighter," which could take about 15 years to complete.

"Recently, Germany" allowed "the purchase of fifth-generation fighter F-35 (they are manufactured by the American company Lockheed Martin), which is not in the interests of European Airbus," - said Jane's 360.

On the other hand, “the interaction of Germany and France in the creation of New Fighter, which does not involve the participation of Great Britain, would mark the new priorities of cooperation between countries within the EU,” the publication concludes.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 10 November 2017 13: 48
    +4
    Yes in the picture, our SU57! in give chkdiki. we decided to lick, or what ?!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 November 2017 13: 52
      +6
      It would be better if they ordered from China. Those will do it faster. lol
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 10 November 2017 13: 55
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        It would be better if they ordered from China. Those will do it faster. lol

        So then it will be necessary to order the SU-35 from us ... wassat
        1. Vlad5307
          Vlad5307 10 November 2017 15: 26
          +1
          Well, they themselves can produce an engine - tea is not China.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 10 November 2017 19: 10
          +4
          "and so on the forehead, our copy"
          The laws of aerodynamics are the same everywhere
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 08
        +1
        Those will do it faster.

        They kind of already done it, but it’s not clear what ...
    2. dauria
      dauria 10 November 2017 13: 57
      +5
      Yes, in the picture, our SU57!


      In the picture, tailless is a visiting card of the French. Our and American are normal.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 03
        +2
        Well, yes, except that this scanty. and so on our forehead, a copy of ours.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 November 2017 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      Yes, in the picture, our SU57!

      So I am the same ... either they rely on espionage and technology drain about our SU-57, or they came to the same conclusions as our glider developers. In principle, all generation 5 fighters are very similar to each other. I'm talking about the lizard and our SU-57.
      But by the year 40, I’m afraid their idea will shamelessly become obsolete, because either the 6th generation fighter will already appear, or the United States and God forbid we, as well as China, will be close to this.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 06
        +2
        so the first thing I thought about was espionage. apparently bet on our branch of evolution in aviation.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 10
        +4
        The United States and God forbid we, as well as China, will be close to this.

        God grant that the USA by the 40th year is no longer there, then new fighters may not be needed.
    4. san4es
      san4es 10 November 2017 14: 02
      +5
      ... Yes, no, 57 on a similar picture wink
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 07
        +2
        thanks for the picture. terrible!
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 10 November 2017 14: 31
          +7
          It’s a pity that our topic with the MiG was “smoked”, but could have been “ahead of the planet” of the whole ..... and after all, a promising engine for it was ready, but no ......

          For any in the country should be at least two KB in the direction ....
          Even earlier, in 2014, the famous Russian test pilot Anatoly Kvochur spoke about the project of a new heavy fighter-interceptor. According to the pilot, the new plane was supposed to appear twenty years ago, and its speed was to reach Mach 4,3.

          1. newcomer
            newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 43
            +3
            in general, there is an impression of the deliberate strangulation of all promising projects of KB MIG.
          2. NOMADE
            NOMADE 10 November 2017 17: 41
            +1
            The fact that "drawn" in 3 DMax is not capable of flying at 4,3 M initially ... Enough stuffing is already enough!
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 10 November 2017 19: 13
              +3
              the fact of the matter is that this is the expected type of machine. still a lot of time and sweat must be shed in order to get the final look with justified given characteristics. so we say: they choke.
            2. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 10 November 2017 19: 19
              +7
              Dear, look and see two completely different concepts ......
              You, in my opinion, are just looking .... Who told you that this is a prototype?
              This is an illustration of the concept .....
    5. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 10 November 2017 14: 19
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      Yes in the picture, our SU57! in give chkdiki. we decided to lick, or what ?!

      Not simular . Especially open nacelles.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 23
        +2
        Yes it is clear. if in detail, then yes. but the general concept of the airframe is laced with us.
      2. san4es
        san4es 10 November 2017 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        ... Especially open nacelles.

        ... Lack of tail stabilizers request
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 10 November 2017 14: 39
          0
          Quote: san4es
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          ... Especially open nacelles.

          ... Lack of tail stabilizers request

          I always pay attention to the nacelles. I myself have a complete zero in this, but they explained to me, they explained to me, but did not tell me that with open engine nacelles with the same glider geometry and the same RPM, the EPR will be an order of magnitude worse.
          1. opus
            opus 10 November 2017 14: 46
            +6
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            the geometry of the airframe and the same RPM indicators of EPR will be much worse.

            In the frontal plane?
            what belay
            Were given all these modogondoly "open"
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 10 November 2017 14: 52
              0
              Quote: opus
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              the geometry of the airframe and the same RPM indicators of EPR will be much worse.

              In the frontal plane?
              what belay
              Were given all these modogondoly "open"

              That's just the point, that in frontal. I also could not understand for a long time.
              1. opus
                opus 10 November 2017 15: 10
                +1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                . I also could not understand for a long time.

                Cheated.
                I would like to read
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                but they explained to me, it was explained, but not told,
          2. newcomer
            newcomer 10 November 2017 14: 50
            +3
            ours is not some kind of mythical invisibility, unlike the Yankees. our fighter with stealth elements, which corresponds to realities, rather than invisibility.
      3. Samaritan
        Samaritan 10 November 2017 14: 48
        0
        Well, everyone understands this, I think they will close it at the SU-57:
        1. NN52
          NN52 10 November 2017 15: 54
          +7
          They will shut down on the engine ...
          Probably...
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 10 November 2017 16: 46
            +3
            Quote: NN52
            They will shut down on the engine ...
            Probably...
            Here it will be necessary to redo the glider, no one will do it. Yes and no need. Look at the F-22 and Su-57 (T-50) aerobatics. The American is characterized by caution when piloting, apparently limiting the angle of attack, most likely due to precisely S-shaped air intakes, which impairs the stability of the engine in certain modes .. . request
            1. NN52
              NN52 10 November 2017 21: 38
              +8
              You won’t have to redo anything ... Radically ...
            2. NN52
              NN52 10 November 2017 21: 52
              +7
              OBT works well at low speeds and large angles of attack.
              Our corners have more.
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 November 2017 16: 43
      0
      Quote: newbie
      Yes, in the picture, our SU57!

      I didn’t even run near
    7. self-propelled
      self-propelled 10 November 2017 23: 18
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      Yes in the picture, our SU57! in give chkdiki. we decided to lick, or what ?!

      exactly. drinks
      only a small BUT
      It is assumed that in 2040-ies the aircraft will replace the fourth-generation fighters Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale

      By then, the Su-57 will already be just a combat machine, more than one year being used by the Russian Air Force. and somewhere at the GLITs airfield in Chkalovsky, the 6 generation fighter will make its first flight ... recourse
    8. SERGUS
      SERGUS 11 November 2017 14: 10
      0
      Quote: newbie
      Yes in the picture, our SU57! in give chkdiki. we decided to lick, or what ?!

      Not really, the air intakes are located on the sides and not from the bottom like the SU-57, and in the pictures I do not see horizontal stabilizers behind the main wings in the tail unit. In any case, these are just drawings, assumptions ... well, like our aircraft carrier, they say it might look like this.
  2. Coconut
    Coconut 10 November 2017 13: 48
    0
    Another money scam .. if the F35 costs about a hundred lyam then the new plane will be much more expensive ... smile
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 10 November 2017 13: 50
      +5
      Another money divorce


      This kapets is ridiculous for a super-duper airplane. Rust!!!

      The Pentagon froze the program for equipping the armed forces with F-30 fighters for 35 days after they found rust on planes, Bloomberg reports.

      According to the agency, traces of corrosion exceeding the limits allowed by the standards appeared at the junction of the external carbon fiber panel with the aluminum fighter body.

      According to Pentagon Speaker Joe Dellovedova, rust arose through the fault of the developer, Lockheed Martin.

      "The identified defects in the future need to be fixed, but they do not threaten the safety of flights on the F-35 and do not affect our operations," Dellavedova said in an interview with the agency.




      Urgently catch the Japanese and Germans at least a couple of dozen more, otherwise the goods will deteriorate before our eyes!
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 10 November 2017 14: 18
        +6
        Exactly, the merchant - something with a "smell" and in the course of the "invisibility cap" was blown away along the road ....
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 10 November 2017 14: 11
      +1
      Europe and knocks down the price of f-35 ..
    3. Berkut24
      Berkut24 10 November 2017 14: 20
      +1
      He is still far beyond 100 lyam. And there is no question about the price of the service.
  3. Samaritan
    Samaritan 10 November 2017 13: 49
    0
    Nu-nu ... We’ll see ... Given how Europe’s military aviation industry collapsed on its side, it is very doubtful ... Americans will not allow ... But the flag in your hands!
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 10 November 2017 14: 13
      +2
      While everyone was making their planes, Europe was thinking: where should I go smart and beautiful? ... Now spending 15 years on development is a powerful move. As well as the purchase of F-35. bully
  4. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 13: 57
    +2
    Quote: DEZINTO
    This kapets is ridiculous for a super-duper airplane. Rust!!!

    -------------------------------------------
    Funny, not funny, there are a number of factors — condensation on metal parts, poor seals at the joints, galvanic vapors from the hydrogen series of metals, that is, a copper part on a steel one, for example. What do you want, in the USA there are no “physics” and “ chemistry "at school. There is some kind of abstract" natural science. "This news was laid out yesterday, very pleased.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 November 2017 14: 15
      +1
      It is almost all carbon fiber. And some aluminum.
      1. Dormidont2
        Dormidont2 10 November 2017 18: 50
        0
        aluminum-titanium glider frame sheathed with a composite
  5. zivXP
    zivXP 10 November 2017 14: 14
    0
    This statement is especially interesting against the backdrop of the global migration to Europe of Arabs, Africans and others.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 November 2017 14: 33
    +1
    Late with 5th. To them, if you start, you must immediately design a fighter-drone.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 10 November 2017 14: 55
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Late with 5th. To them, if you start, you must immediately design a fighter-drone.
      they will finalize it in the process, and there what happens will work out, but it will be expensive it is not discussed ..... smile
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 November 2017 19: 47
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      you must immediately design a fighter drone.

      Yeah ... Only at first you need to solve the problem with the brain ... Solve the problem of artificial intelligence - this is such a "trifle" that cybertonics around the world are plagued by volumes of cabinets with "electronic brains" and software to ensure them ... What a trifle! !! bully
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 November 2017 22: 01
        0
        No cabinets. Go world guru-champions have recently been defeated (defeated) by a program recorded on a computer, a little more powerful than a regular personal computer.
    3. Town Hall
      Town Hall 10 November 2017 19: 57
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Late with 5th. To them, if you start, you must immediately design a fighter-drone.



      In fact, there is already one project of a European fighter pilot. UCAV is called emnip.anglo-French. With the participation of the Italian Leonardo.

      This second project, referred to in the article, provides for a two-seat fighter. One pilot. The second operator is a swarm of unmanned drones that will fly with the aircraft and work under his command. It also provides for the creation of special satellites for the operation of these aircraft systems and their weapons.

      Currently, there is a "bidding" on how to combine these two projects, financing, sharing with those who do what and how much, procurement programs, etc.

      Financing for development is provided in the amount of 1,5 yards per year with the sight of the first flight in the second half of the 20s.
  7. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 15: 46
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It is almost all carbon fiber. And some aluminum.

    -----------------------
    Yes, yes, the hydraulic cylinders for opening bombs, turning keels and flaps, and other servos are simply absent as a class, and if there are, they are made of carbon and aluminum, even rods.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 November 2017 19: 50
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Yes, yes, hydraulic cylinders for opening bombs, turning keels and flaps

      The Penguin EDSU ... doesn’t have hydraulic cylinders there, however. lol
  8. Sergei75
    Sergei75 10 November 2017 16: 30
    0
    And what's new? the concept is similar if you want to F-22, you want to SU-57.
  9. Dormidont2
    Dormidont2 10 November 2017 18: 52
    +1
    by 40 years already 6 hyper generation will be in the Russian Federation, with a direct-flow combined engine
  10. Going
    Going 10 November 2017 18: 55
    +6
    "Recently, Germany" allowed "the purchase of fifth-generation fighter F-35 (they are manufactured by the American company Lockheed Martin), which is not in the interests of European Airbus," - said Jane's 360.


    The United States will not let them do something serious, they will not miss their market.
  11. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 19: 51
    +4
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    The Penguin EDSU ... doesn’t have hydraulic cylinders there, however.

    -----------------------------------
    Look at the photos of open bomb bombs, chrome rods and cylinders are clearly visible. However, you can continue to laugh, as you prefer.
    PSAbout the presence of titanium beams, it’s already inconvenient to speak like that, there are so many “specialists” around, mother dear.
    PPS By the way, rust appeared on the spinal part of the fuselage, where only “carbon and some aluminum” claim. The titanium beam apparently miraculously disappeared.
    PPPS By the way, microcrack disease was also reported. But here, apparently, American super-counters messed up something with loads and vibrations.