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Indian air forces question the need for FGFA development

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The Indian Air Force has doubts about its future participation in a fifth-generation FGFA fighter development project with Russia, reports bmpd with reference to the expert of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Douglas Barry.


Indian air forces question the need for FGFA development
One of the prototypes of the fifth-generation Russian fighter T-50 (Su-57).

In turn, the representative of the Indian defense industry in support of the project, which, in their opinion, is the best deal in terms of access to technology.

“The degree of intensity of the unfolding public debate can partly be based on the desire to make an impression. New Delhi’s interest in the Russian T-50 fighter (Su-57) is based on the need to solve the problem with the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) fighter project, but the military has some doubts about the cost and characteristics of the aircraft. Nevertheless, from the point of view of meeting the requirements of the Air Force and the aspirations of the defense industry, this program has no alternative. Therefore, “doubts” regarding India’s participation in the program can be aimed at achieving the best possible deal, ”the expert’s article says.

Meanwhile, Russian industry officials point out that the project is in full swing.

According to Barry, “the problem that the Air Force may encounter in the future is as follows: although the Su-57 will provide opportunities for multi-purpose combat aircraft and access to technology that the United States is unlikely to be able to fully provide, there will also be a risk of delays in deliveries if the desire of the national industry to localize the final assembly or even production will be satisfied. "

This is a “bitter truth” for the Air Force, that “the Indian national industry is not always able to carry out work on time and guarantee compliance with the requirements,” the expert notes.

Thus, the project of the lightweight fighter HAL Tejas stretched for dozens of years before reaching initial combat readiness. Meanwhile, in 1994, the Air Force had to launch an intermediate modernization program for an aging fleet of MiG-21 fighters. In the end, in 2016, a competition was announced for the purchase of single-engine fighters, the winner of which is yet to be determined.
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  1. The_lancet
    The_lancet 10 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +5
    Duplication of news. Similar already was.
    India will probably be interested in the real ones that are actively used by F-35 aircraft wink
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 10 November 2017 13: 50 New
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      Quote: The_Lancet
      Duplication of news. Similar already was.
      India will probably be interested in the real ones that are actively used by F-35 aircraft wink

      I agree that the news a hundred years in the afternoon yes And as for Fu 35, get ready for the fact that the Indians will bargain for a lower price and transfer of technology, if it suits your problems and you can’t force them to at least f35, at least a bald one. laughing
    2. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 10 November 2017 13: 52 New
      +2
      Lobbyism and a kind word can be promoted much more than just a kind word
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 10 November 2017 23: 22 New
        +2
        maybe tries such partners ?! run from client to client as forgive ... Lord, in search of better conditions.
    3. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 10 November 2017 14: 11 New
      +2
      Give them the technology, the USA will not go for it on the F-35.
    4. Timofey Cherepov
      Timofey Cherepov 10 November 2017 14: 12 New
      0
      Is it active?))), With suffocating pilots?
    5. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 10 November 2017 14: 43 New
      0
      Quote: The_Lancet
      India will probably be interested in the real ones that are actively used by F-35 aircraft

      Hindus are interested in freebies and dough. F-35, of course, exists realistically, but is combat capable no more than FGFA.
  2. pavelty
    pavelty 10 November 2017 13: 34 New
    0
    And they have no other options. You can buy Fe 35, but no one really talks about technology transfer there.
  3. svp67
    svp67 10 November 2017 13: 35 New
    +4
    The whole "degree of heat" in this issue is determined by the amount of money received from the United States to promote this issue. And enough for us to give up our positions. We must be more aggressive and more rigidly defend our positions. And for this, it is simply NECESSARY for the Su-57 to join the ranks of our VKS as soon as possible and not in the amount of ONE squadron. And of course, it's time to successfully complete the SECOND stage of its design, namely, to install new engines.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 10 November 2017 14: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The whole "degree of heat" in this issue is determined by the amount of money received from the United States to promote this issue. And enough for us to give up our positions. We must be more aggressive and more rigidly defend our positions. And for this, it is simply NECESSARY for the Su-57 to join the ranks of our VKS as soon as possible and not in the amount of ONE squadron. And of course, it's time to successfully complete the SECOND stage of its design, namely, to install new engines.

      So far, according to the new GPV plans, up to 2025 of the year it is planned to have one regiment.

      The GPV priority is also the program for restoring the production of Tu-160 strategic bombers at the Kazan Aircraft Plant (controlled by Tupolev, a member of the UAC); separately, the GPV will reflect purchases of Il-96MD-90A military transport aircraft manufactured by the Ulyanovsk Aviastenar entrance (subway) ( UAC "Ilyushin"). At the same time, purchases of a new fifth-generation fighter Su-57 before 2025 are supposed to be in a limited volume - less than 30 units. Viktor Bondarev said last week in an interview with TASS that a contract for the purchase of MiG-35 fighters (an upgraded version of the MiG-29) in the amount of 24 units is also expected.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 10 November 2017 15: 34 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And for this, it is simply NECESSARY that the Su-57 would join the ranks of our airborne forces as soon as possible and not in the amount of ONE squadron

      I completely agree with you here, but alas, for now the deadlines are crawling to the right ...
      But here, according to the Indians, our positions are quite strong, for a simple reason, they have nowhere to go.
      They cannot buy the 5th generation from China, the Americans will sell the F-35, but without the transfer of technology.
      So we are the only ones left. The question is in the tender regarding the terms of the contract.
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2017 17: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Odyssey
        But here, according to the Indians, our positions are quite strong, for a simple reason, they have nowhere to go.
        They cannot buy the 5th generation from China, the Americans will sell the F-35, but without the transfer of technology.

        You just do not understand the power of the dollar. They can still buy a lot, including conscience
        , mind and this action is international. If in India, nationally-minded forces cannot defeat, then I am SORRY for this country. She's the next USA VICTIM. And then I welcome our rapprochement with Pakistan.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 November 2017 23: 55 New
          0
          "in India, will not be able to defeat the national forces, then .." ////

          And they are just in power - right-wing nationalists.
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 10 November 2017 13: 36 New
    +6
    finally, the Indians recognized that their hands are crooked.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 10 November 2017 13: 41 New
      +8
      Which will not stop them from pouring mud on everything Russian to please the USA, while continuing to buy. Garik, hi! hi
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 10 November 2017 13: 57 New
        +3
        here it is. Hayat all ours. SU30 often fall, you see. T90 stall. only do not specify_ own assembly. got to the point that SU57 does not suit them. eh, if not finance, singing romances, send them to ride in tejas and crawl on arjuna. I welcome, Maxim.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 10 November 2017 14: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: newbie
          send them to ride in tejas and crawl on arjuna.

          Tough, but deservedly! Let them hope for the "help" of the USA, but you can’t let the Indians go ...
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 10 November 2017 15: 02 New
            +3
            yes, again money. we must not miss such an immense market.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 10 November 2017 13: 41 New
    0
    Hindus can not be sorry to sell technology, because all the same, they have nothing good to independently bungle.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 24 New
      +1
      They FSHE all merge in a day.
  6. Ierarh
    Ierarh 10 November 2017 13: 48 New
    0
    In general, technologies can be transferred only to those who participated in financing the development of at least half ...
  7. Nemesis
    Nemesis 10 November 2017 13: 53 New
    +2
    They don’t want, don’t, let them fly on cloned MiG-21s. Hindus want to get all the technologies, but neither the Russian Federation nor the USA will give them to them, it would be foolish to give them
  8. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 10 November 2017 14: 02 New
    +1
    Firstly
    an expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) Douglas Barry
    What kind of beast is such IISS ???? but this one:
    International Institute for Strategic Studies - a research center for military-political conflicts. Headquarters located in london..... eva it is like !!!!
    so secondly - until it is announced by the official representative of the customer, whatever it is, "First Deputy Prime Minister of India on the rejection of the FGFA Robindranath Tagore"this is not news, but an element of competition for the Indian market ...
  9. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 10 November 2017 14: 05 New
    +6
    Or participate in the project, or chew on bamboo.
    In the second option, let them buy a flying coffin Fe-35 two
  10. sir_obs
    sir_obs 10 November 2017 14: 15 New
    +1
    It was they who invented such a mantra in the hope that we would rush to dissuade them and promise even more babysitters.

    The one in the joke
    A girl comes in a compartment, and there a man sits, reads a book
    Here, he thinks, now he will begin to pester
    A man sits and even as if did not notice that not one
    The train started, girl, as if on needles, now it’s starting, now
    But no, sitting reading
    He took out a bottle of brandy, a chocolate bar.
    Well, it began, the girl thought
    But no, she’s drinking cognac, she’s not offering her
    Time passes, nothing happens, the girl is nervous, the man is reading a book and drinking cognac.
    Finally, she doesn’t stand it and says indignantly, well, when will you be marrying me?
    And the man in response, closing the book. So I think it’s better to wait an hour than to break it all the way.
  11. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 22 New
    0
    Thereafter
    Russia suspected the Indians of inviting the US military on board the nuclear submarine Chakra (formerly Nerpa), leased from the Russian Federation.
    Previously, IndianDefenseNews reported that the Indian side allegedly violated the leasing terms. In turn, the sources of the Russian publication in government confirmed that recently, Indian partners have indeed committed several “unfriendly acts” in relation to Russia.

    Indians can not dream of any technologies and normal joint production, they will make a maximum of nuts. am
  12. Berkut24
    Berkut24 10 November 2017 14: 25 New
    +1
    Therefore, “doubts” regarding India’s participation in the program can be directed towards the best possible deal. ”

    It is reasonable to drag out negotiations as long as possible, and then offer a ready-made car. Even having received the technology, the Indians are unlikely to be able to quickly quickly master them. And when they can, then the time will come for new technologies.
  13. alexmach
    alexmach 10 November 2017 16: 43 New
    0
    Looks like an information attack on military-technical cooperation on all fronts.
  14. Dormidont2
    Dormidont2 10 November 2017 18: 55 New
    -1
    it is enough for Indians to offer an empty glider su57, let them rivet it for themselves and put the radar engines French or Amer
  15. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 11 November 2017 10: 44 New
    0
    They are used to living in a fairy tale - a magic doe will hit with a hoof and the tank is ready. Jumping - the plane ...
    It remains only to grumble, because their "best minds" left to finish the F-35.