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Is it possible or not to create a genetic weapon against a certain nation?

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After confirming the information that the US is acquiring biological samples of representatives of the Russian ethnos from different regions of Russia, arguments about creating a new species surfaced. weapons - genetic. Recall that the issue of collecting biological samples of Russians by the US military department became the focus of attention after a statement on this occasion of Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Human Rights Council.


The idea that in the West they can easily create versions of weapons that are used (in perspective) against the gene code of a person of a certain nationality, is supported by State Duma deputy Gennady Onishchenko (former Russian Chief Sanitary Inspector). However, this point of view is not shared by the chief specialist of the Ministry of Health on issues of genetics, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Sergey Kutsev.

His statement leads Interfax:
These are all fantasies concerning the possibility of developing some kind of genetic drugs of influence, some kind of genetic weapon - for this there are no biological bases. You can not create a weapon against a particular nation. We are all the same, we have the same set of genes, these or other variants are found in all populations, and, therefore, there is no need to talk about any ethnospecific effects.


Is it possible or not to create a genetic weapon against a certain nation?


In this regard, recall the statements of the sample of the thirties of the last century, when some scientists declared that it was impossible to create weapons capable of simultaneously destroying hundreds of thousands of people. And in August, the US 1945 dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which claimed at least 300 thousands of human lives.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 10 November 2017 12: 27 New
    +9
    of course you can ... given the desire of the Anglo-Saxons to destroy the Slavs, you can safely expect this from these creatures ... they are lawless people ... will not abandon the idea of ​​a golden billion ..
    1. figwam
      figwam 10 November 2017 12: 29 New
      +3
      Well, at least everyone who treats fsh badly dies of cancer. Today Mikhail Zadornov died 69 years old.
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 10 November 2017 12: 32 New
        11
        The idea of ​​creating a genetic weapon against an individual nation is a crazy idea! Especially against the Russians! Who live very, very far distances from each other ...
        Different regions have different sets of chromosomes ... Russian genome - living genome! Constantly changing due to the large number of different peoples living in the Russian Federation.
        To create something like this, you need to make the genome stop changing. Well, or stop the time!
        Bite America! We change every day ...
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 10 November 2017 12: 37 New
          +7
          Rather, it is an element of psychological pressure. After all, any epidemic can be passed off as the practical use of this weapon. Say, here's an example for you all, or else it will be.
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 10 November 2017 12: 41 New
            11
            I absolutely agree with you, colleague! Moreover, you know no less than me - how different people are in different regions! How painful the inhabitants of Central Russia, And how strong and frost-resistant Magadans ... wink
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 10 November 2017 13: 29 New
              +6
              I graduated from school in the Magadan region in 1978. Thank you for the frost-resistant Magadans, Alexander. It's true.
              And then everything on this site about Magadan is negative and negative ...
            2. dzuar saubarag
              dzuar saubarag 11 November 2017 11: 40 New
              +3
              frost resistance is good, but relative to humidity ... A friend came from Siberia a couple of years ago in the winter. Boasted that here we have frosts! And here (the city of Smolensk) at -5 said that they have -20 much more comfortable and subjectively warmer)))))
          2. The_lancet
            The_lancet 10 November 2017 13: 44 New
            +2
            Rather, it is an element of psychological pressure.

            Psychological pressure on Russians is provided by news sites that posted news about genetic weapons being developed in the United States.
            of course you can ... given the desire of the Anglo-Saxons to destroy the Slavs, you can safely expect this from these creatures ...

            Why aren't you banned yet? Waiting for you there
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 10 November 2017 21: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: The_Lancet
              Psychological pressure on Russians is provided by news sites that posted news about genetic weapons being developed in the United States.

              And why are your lovers of democracy and human rights, incinerated with Nagasaki and Hiroshima, sprayed Agent Orange in Vietnam, wiped out the city in Korea from the face of the earth in 1950? And why are there many more in the queue.
              We have every reason to believe that your filthy government will stop at nothing.
            2. Bolo
              Bolo 11 November 2017 12: 11 New
              0
              cat Baiyun? are you babbling, lulling vigilance? Well done, good enemy!
        2. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
          Alexander Abdrakhmanov 10 November 2017 13: 05 New
          +2
          While the Americans thought, Russia brought out the gene and really got accustomed to the Americans. Now the soldiers will battle each other during the battle. There will always be pulled down pants, it will not be for them before the war.
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 November 2017 14: 44 New
          +3
          So America is a country of immigrants. They have a mixture of races and nationalities once again a hundred more intense than in Russia.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 11 November 2017 15: 57 New
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            They have a mixture of races and nationalities once again a hundred more intense than in Russia.

            Well, not a hundred times, right. but very, very significant, so that in any case they will be vulnerable to such a "genetic weapon"))))
        4. Albert1988
          Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Anarchist
          The idea of ​​creating a genetic weapon against an individual nation is a crazy idea!

          As a geneticist I will fully support you - since then. As the Human Genome project ended and the genomes of a huge number of people around the globe began to actively read, one thing became clear - there are NO genetic differences between people that would create a selective virus that infects any particular nation.
          1. dzuar saubarag
            dzuar saubarag 12 November 2017 12: 04 New
            0
            Here is a small clarification - there is no selective defeat, but there are differences in the tolerability of diseases by different nationalities, and nobody canceled the pharmacogenetics. Genetic factors strongly affect the therapeutic efficacy of drugs and the occurrence of ADVERSE phenomena in treatment. In addition, there is no need to defeat the entire population of the country with a mortal illness. If some kind of virus arises, a new strain with high virulence and from it, conditionally, part of the population will be "out of pocket", then this obviously will not do us any good. And all sorts of outbreaks of disease will be used against us, even if only in the information war
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 12 November 2017 12: 58 New
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              Quote: dzuar saubarag
              Genetic factors strongly affect the therapeutic efficacy of drugs and the occurrence of ADVERSE phenomena in treatment.

              Nevertheless, this is all very individual for people - I repeat there are NO such genetic features in an entire nation that would ensure a more severe course of a disease, but at the same time in every nation there are people with such genetic characteristics. That is, "up the drain" will be from this artificial strain will be almost an equal percentage of people in all nations ...

              On the other hand, there are some features of the tolerability of certain diseases in different regions, due to non-genetic characteristics. but just an accumulation of immunity in connection with the prevalence of such sores in different regions. I give an example - in Russia there will be increased resistance of people to all kinds of acute respiratory viral infections and acute respiratory infections, because it’s cold, it’s easy to catch a cold, it’s also easy to catch a virus through “khe-khe”, so we have been suffering from these sores since childhood and are gaining decent immunity. But Hindus will not tolerate such acute respiratory viral infections and acute respiratory infections, because they live in a warm climate, where such sores are poorly distributed, but they have a lot of any intestinal infection, which Russians already suffer worse - our compatriots come to India and must be poisoned by something , and the locals eat normally)

              As for the hypothetical “genetic weapon” - it’s as if the virus is mowing one nation like an A-Ebola, and it won’t hurt others at all - that’s impossible in principle)))
              1. dzuar saubarag
                dzuar saubarag 15 November 2017 12: 46 New
                +1
                I’m afraid these “figures” may decide that the game is worth the candle ... The topic is unsteady, because it may not be about a completely selective defeat with grave consequences, but sometimes a little may be enough. An example given by you is correct and the same can go to the piggy bank. Although all this talk about genetic weapons is more like science fiction - let's hope that it remains!
        5. Fox
          Fox 12 November 2017 07: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Anarchist
          To create something like this, you need to make the genome stop changing. Well, or stop the time!

          og ... forgot about mandatory vaccination? But about food poisoned by GMOs? There are many ways. They are already running around everything that is possible.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 12 November 2017 13: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Fox
            og ... forgot about mandatory vaccination? But about food poisoned by GMOs? There are many ways. They are already running around everything that is possible.

            Oh, but nothing, that this very mandatory vaccination saves us from epidemics and pandemics of diseases such as poliomyelitis, measles, whooping cough, and smallpox were defeated thanks to compulsory universal vaccination. As a result of universal vaccination in our country, the infant mortality rate that took place in the Russian Empire was reduced by several orders of magnitude. The only thing against which vaccination does not make sense - against the flu - mutates, canal, too soon and new strains go every year. and the vaccine is against the "old."

            Well, about the "GMOs", "poisoning" food))))) My favorite topic))))) Let me, dear, know that what you mean is not GMOs, but transgenic organisms, because " GMO "- that is," genetically modified organisms "- is ALL our cultivated plants and animals, even those that grandfather Michurin deduced, because they differ genetically from their wild ancestors)))) So all Michurin varieties are POLYPLOIDS, and moreover allopolyploids - that is, they contain several complete genomes of different species! But you say that polyploidization and interspecific hybridization with associated polyploidization is also found in nature? so I’ll tell you that the “transgenesis” that is used to create all the so hated transgenic organisms is also an absolutely natural phenomenon)))) So for example in a plant like flax (Linaria vulgaris), a gene is found that is found in T-DNA bacteria Agrobacterium tumefaciens, which deals with natural transgenesis, causing the formation of crown galls on the roots of plants)))) At the same time, this gene is deployed “back to front” relative to its promoter, which will allow synthesizing RNA complementary to RNA of the already “normal” agrobacterium gene that is integrated into the plant genome together with T-DNA, resulting in RNA duplexes, which triggers the mechanism of the so-called RNA interference, which completely cuts off the possibility of the formation of the target gene protein. That is, not only does a natural case of transgenesis take place, but also the organism where the foreign gene was transferred has adapted this foreign gene to fight the parasite from which the foreign gene originates! What time!

            And finally, GMOs themselves, correctly transgenic organisms pose even less danger than ordinary ones, because ordinary apples must be “watered with all sorts of dirt” to make them good (like that grandfather from juice advertising), and "transgenic" by themselves are poured large without any excess mineral fertilizers and nitrates)))))
            1. dzuar saubarag
              dzuar saubarag 15 November 2017 12: 52 New
              0
              About vaccination, which is sponsored by all sorts of Bill Gates and others like him, muddy rumors are circulating. It is no secret that the supporters of the "golden billion" have a goal, and most importantly means (financial) to achieve it. Rumors, as I said muddy - I haven’t come across reliable sources, but it is precisely the side effects that can occur. In general, without studying the topic by specialized specialists, we are engaged in fortune telling on coffee grounds request
      2. bagr69
        bagr69 10 November 2017 12: 33 New
        +4
        There will be a customer with money, and there will be weapons - a matter of time.
        It would be good for our specialists to take this issue very seriously, maybe even shake the UN tube with a test tube, as famous people did.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 10 November 2017 13: 57 New
          0
          Quote: bagr69
          It would be good for our specialists to deal with this issue very seriously,.
          Think not involved? Do you really think so?
          1. FlyEngine
            FlyEngine 10 November 2017 18: 32 New
            +3
            Of course they don’t do it, it's all fiction of science fiction writers, very far from science. The technology of such precise manipulation of the genome in the next 30 years will not appear. And why is it necessary if there are viruses and bacteria that are incredibly convenient in the production and delivery?
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: FlyEngine
              The technology of such precise manipulation of the genome in the next 30 years will not appear.

              Such "technologies" will never appear at all, since, banally, such genetic sequences do not. which would be unique to specific nations. A nation is a cultural concept, first of all, and not a genetic one. So for example, everyone haplogroup R1a1, which is common among Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians, is even more common among Poles, Altaians, and some ethnic groups in India. Enough of it among the Norwegians, a significant percentage of the Swedes and Germans. Yes, even in Africa you can find its carriers. If we create a hypothetical artificial virus that only integrates into a sequence specific to the haplogroup R1a1, then it will hit all its carriers, regardless of their nationality, and if it later mutates, it will begin to infect anyone ...
        2. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
          Alexander Abdrakhmanov 11 November 2017 06: 56 New
          0
          First you have to beat the enemy hard, then show the test tube that they used chemical weapons. At the UN, everyone will raise their hands at once and will vote for the strong. Why take everything on themselves - if they get it later, who did not raise their hands at the ballot.
        3. Bolo
          Bolo 11 November 2017 12: 06 New
          +1
          I agree, why else did penguins place bio-laboratories around the perimeter of Russia?
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 11 November 2017 12: 55 New
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Well, at least everyone who treats fsh badly dies of cancer. Today Mikhail Zadornov died 69 years old.


        When Hugo Chavez died, many drew attention to the fact that he was not the first leader in Latin America to suffer from this disease. Well, by the way. And the weird outbreaks of bird flu in Asia?

        And if you look at collecting biomaterials differently? How about patient tests for a doctor in a hospital who is using some medicine and wants to know the result of exposure?
        Maybe I'm pumping, but .. "I am tormented by vague doubts .." (c) hi
        1. dzuar saubarag
          dzuar saubarag 15 November 2017 12: 59 New
          0
          Well, it’s just that they all get the flu together, and a natural cancer epidemic among the leaders of Latin American countries (Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, unconfirmed information Evo Morales ...). I join my colleague to your "vague doubts"! what
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 10 November 2017 12: 39 New
      11
      Fuck knows, but not in vain because the samples were collected, nothing is done in vain. what
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 10 November 2017 12: 45 New
        10
        Vlad, Do you remember that Hitler went to Tibet and wherever he sent expeditions! And playing with genes ... And what did you achieve? Bullets or poison?
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 10 November 2017 12: 52 New
          +9
          Quote: Anarchist
          And what did you achieve? Bullets or poison?

          Sanya, the stump is clear; I want the striped fire-fighters to get what they deserve, and preferably both the bullets and the poison together. drinks hi
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 10 November 2017 12: 51 New
      +4
      Surprisingly, even Putin put this scarecrow into their brains. Really we have all the medicine a la onishchenko? belay
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 11 November 2017 13: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Surprisingly, even Putin put this scarecrow into their brains. Really we have all the medicine a la onishchenko? belay


        Well, well ... I like your categorical winked I wonder if Stalin did not believe in the “scarecrow” about “weapons capable of destroying tens and hundreds of thousands of people”? .. what one of two things - either we wouldn’t be sitting here, or one of two! wassat
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    5. l7yzo
      l7yzo 10 November 2017 13: 47 New
      0
      Anglo-Saxons mostly often have a Russian marker
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: l7yzo
        Anglo-Saxons mostly often have a Russian marker

        Not a “Russian marker” - it simply doesn’t exist, in their population those sequences are common that are also common among the Russian population.
    6. Maz
      Maz 10 November 2017 14: 20 New
      +1
      You can, this is a network of synagogues and mosques located around the world.
    7. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 33 New
      0
      We must not sit still, it’s time for the FSA to destroy it by any means, the main thing is that the virus does not mutate and the whole world can’t endure.
    8. gregor6549
      gregor6549 10 November 2017 14: 44 New
      +5
      Comrade Shura, you are a great scientist, and I am a simple Soviet man.
      It is Soviet. Was him, and they will die. Especially not to wait long.
      So the myth that the Anglo-Saxons want to destroy the Slavs is nothing more than a myth. And it was created long before the revolution in Russia, because there is no greyhound to live without enemies internal and external. After retiring, I had to work for some time under a contract in Australia, where I did not find Anglo-Saxons more than confirming the myth of the natural bloodthirstiness of Anglo-Saxons with a Russian bias. And in the English language press of all the leading cap countries, too. The only and natural desire of the Anglo-Saxons is that no one bothers them to live the way they are used to, even neighbors and friends. You can argue for a long and tedious fact that their habits and lifestyle are not what we like, but they are their habits and their lifestyle and they have the right, like everyone else, to live as they like. But the constant desire of the former USSR to impose its lifestyle on the rest of the world, including the Anglo-Saxons (i.e. citizens of other countries, including not only the Anglo-Saxons), they did not like and did not like, especially if they try to carry out this imposition by force of arms.
      I recently decided to refresh my memory and read some of Stalin’s works written by him in the pre-war period. One of the central ideas of these works is the need for the victory of socialism throughout the world without which the final victory of socialism in the USSR is impossible. The idea was voiced by Marx Engels and Lenin, but Stalin managed to develop a clear practical plan for the implementation of this idea and most likely would be able to realize it if Hitler had not interfered. And the very same Anglo-Saxons realized this very clearly, and their fears were voiced in Churchill’s famous speech in Fulton. If someone read this speech in the original, and not in the presentation of the political organs of the USSR, he would confirm that Churchill in his speech did not call for war with the USSR, but only that the West should be strong enough to withstand Soviet expansion. Well, they did not want them in the Gulag what to do. Then the West seemed to calm down somewhat, but Russia again gave it a reason and not one to revive this concern. Therefore, the West, soberly assessing its forces, realized that it was again seriously behind Russia in terms of military potential and was now feverishly trying to reduce this gap, especially in Western Europe.
      Well, the States do not need to fling with Russia either. They have everything in order with resources, and if they are scarce, that is, a lot of countries where they are in abundance and with which it will be easier to fight than with Russia without risking to get something very vigorous in response. A more serious threat to Russia now is China. He has tension and resources, and he does not need to sail to Russia, military power is growing by leaps and bounds and the technologies are already at a decent level. He is simply trying to scoop America away from its borders, but what kind of plans he has regarding Russia is a big question. While China manages to advance to the West, to Russia and other former republics without noise and dust (where it crawls where for money) and settles there in an orderly manner, But there may come a time when the pace of creeping annexation ceases to suit China and the Chinese tiger jumps. And to make it easier to jump, he is now trying to quietly push Russia’s West with his foreheads and then, when everyone is exhausted, take them “warm”.
      Those. Stalin’s pre-war strategy was adopted by Mao Jie Dong at the time and there are no signs that China abandoned it.
      What am I doing? And the fact that it is time to stop hysteria about the bloodthirsty, but at the same time, death of the Anglo-Saxons frightened by Russia and take a closer look at real threats, including internal ones. After all, separatism in Russia has not disappeared and many autonomies have so far been managed to be retained as part of Russia only with huge cash injections. As soon as the money runs out, their loyalty to Russia will end.

      And by the way, about the birds. Genetic weapons began to be created both in the USSR and in the West during the Vietnam War. In what condition it is currently unknown in Russia, because The collapse of the USSR prevented many developments, but no one interfered with the States. So there is a rather high probability that there he was brought to a decent level
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 25 New
        +2
        Dear, the question is why then precisely these same “Anglo-Saxons” actively impose their will on a huge number of countries through democratic bombing and humanitarian interventions, and these countries are located thousands of kilometers from neither. But the "former USSR" in the past 25 years, first climbed out of the den - to Syria and then at the invitation of the local government, against which a terrorist group, actively supported by the "Anglo-Saxons", is fighting?

        And yes - the fact that you read "some of Stalin's works" is good, but you have to understand it. that the USSR actually tied up with the idea of ​​a "world revolution" after the end of the Great Patriotic War ...
        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 11 November 2017 02: 57 New
          +1
          SW Albert1988. To begin with, my comment was addressed to the one who mentioned the almost natural desire of the so-called Anglo-Saxons to the destruction of Russian.
          Further. In imposing their will on other countries, the United States was primarily seen, and they impose it on everyone, including their allies. They also would like to impose something on Russia, but they understand that this is fraught.
          With the campaign of the Russian bear in Syria, it is also not so simple and unambiguous, as it was not unambiguous with the introduction of a limited contingent in Afghanistan at the "request" of the Togolese government of Afghanistan. But now is not about that, because a completely different topic is being debated and it hardly makes sense to spread thought on a tree.
          And the last one. Yes, after the war with Germany, Stalin realized that the idea of ​​making the world a united USSR was hardly realizable, but nevertheless acted on the principle of "if not for me, then not for you." For example, none other than Stalin initiated the war in Korea, and this, together with his pre-war intentions, was more than enough for the West to intensify the confrontation of the USSR. We can add that the idea of ​​a preemptive strike against the West was alive until the collapse of the USSR, although the pre-war clause that if there was a war would be waged exclusively on foreign territory was removed from the official military doctrine. At the same time, the territory of the German Democratic Republic, Hungary, Poland and a number of other Warsaw Treaty countries were automatically considered theirs. Those. special intentions to engage completely with the pre-war doctrine was not observed. Yes, and in attempts to impose its will on a number of foreign countries (Egypt, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and far away), the USSR at that time was not very different from the same Anglo-Saxons. All this butting went under the auspices of the defense of "their national interests."
          What is happening now with Russia in terms of its “sorties from the den” can be assessed as a pen test or a test for the tooth of its capabilities (which for now for a number of reasons are very limited and there are no guarantees that as these opportunities increase, Russia will be limited only to Syria. in Syria, it’s important for her to basically establish there the base of the RF Armed Forces in order to keep the Mediterranean under the eye, as the Mediterranean Squadron of the USSR Navy kept the area in. The real price of the so-called friendship with Assad and the like, Russia understands no worse than us and special illusions P edannosti Arab leaders of Russia has not. Those friends with those who pay more or give for free what that these leaders need at the moment. For example do not need to go far. The same Egypt.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 11 November 2017 15: 54 New
            0
            Well, you said one very interesting phrase:
            Quote: gregor6549
            But the constant desire former USSR impose your lifestyle on the rest of the world

            That is, from your words it follows that Russia and the CIS are actively trying, not to anyone there, but directly to "impose their will" on the whole world, well ...
            Quote: gregor6549
            mentioned the almost natural desire of the so-called Anglo-Saxons to the destruction of Russian.

            With this I agree - to blame all the Anglo-Saxons (and precisely the Anglo-Saxons) for striving to destroy the Russians - it is stupid and surrenders to undisguised Nazism. But do not forget. that so many politicians from the same USA are simply obsessed with the idea of ​​destroying Russia as a state, a single nation, and a single culture. The same recently deceased grandfather Zbigniew.
            Quote: gregor6549
            All this butting went under the auspices of the defense of "their national interests."

            Well, that was the USSR, and not modern Russia. Moreover, the same West, represented by the United States, when compared with the USSR, has a several times longer track record of "protecting its national interests" in countries located thousands of kilometers from its borders, and even more radical methods than the USSR ...
            Quote: gregor6549
            What is happening now with Russia in terms of its "sorties from the den" can be assessed as a test of the pen or a test for the tooth of its capabilities

            Have you tried to consider this as the beginning of a response to the provocative policies of the West, for example, on expanding NATO, trying to drag into NATO the countries directly bordering us? Moreover, this policy began when we not only could not, but did not want to threaten anyone.
            Consider this.
            We, in fact, surrendering all our national interests at the end of the 80's - the beginning of the 90's, and voluntarily - suggested that the West create a safe world without a constant nuclear threat, where vivid ideological contradictions would not be artificially supported. Only now the Western politicians understood this as a sign of weakness - our weakness and decided. that this is a great opportunity to build the world of your personal dictatorship. Naturally, Russia does not agree with this and resists ...
            1. gregor6549
              gregor6549 12 November 2017 06: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Albert1988
              That is, from your words it follows that Russia and the CIS are actively trying, not to anyone there, but directly to "impose their will" on the whole world, well ...


              The conclusion from my words is wrong, I meant the USSR, and not what was left of it

              Quote: Albert1988
              We, in fact, surrendering all our national interests at the end of the 80's - the beginning of the 90's, and voluntarily - suggested that the West create a safe world without a constant nuclear threat, where vivid ideological contradictions would not be artificially supported. Only now the Western politicians understood this as a sign of weakness - our weakness and decided. that this is a great opportunity to build the world of your personal dictatorship. Naturally, Russia does not agree with this and resists ...


              And here is the question. And why did you have to surrender your national interests, which immediately led to an imbalance in the balance of power in the world? After all, even high school students understood that the Western world would immediately take advantage of this and try to become a dominant force, believing that such domination would be an additional guarantee that no one would try to change their lifestyle, etc. He, the West, took advantage of this.
              But why the USSR Armed Forces did not use their right and duty to protect the constitutional system of the USSR, including by force of arms, is still not clear.
              Yes, there could have been certain casualties among Soviet citizens, but their number would have been several orders of magnitude less than the number of victims incurred by the former republics of the Union after its collapse.
              Well, now ... '' 'Late, Vasya drink Borjomi, if the kidneys refused "
              Of course, you need to quietly restore the potential of Russia and the balance of power in the world, because only this can save this world, but it must be done calmly, without hysteria and not provoke “friends” to the reaction that we do not need, at least for now.
              Moreover, those who provoke fighting do not want to. Who wants to bomb their villas (and rakes) on the Cote d'Azur and other shores, erase colleges from the face of the Earth, where they study their offspring and put to fire the savings in foreign banks acquired by "overwork".
              Conclusion. All current military hysteria in Russia is initiated by these "servants of the people" exclusively for personal purposes, including with the goal of self-preservation from the anger of their own people.
              The method is effective and proven many times, and not only in Russia.
              Right now there is a struggle against terrorism everywhere. But this is the same as fighting against imperialism, capitalism, communism and other phenomena. Always on business and always on money. And it has long been proven by smart people that it is impossible to deal with phenomena in principle. It’s very profitable to use them as horror stories.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 07: 29 New
                +9
                Quote: gregor6549
                All current military hysteria in Russia is initiated ...

                But in Russia now, it turns out, is "military hysteria"? Let me doubt it fool
                Quote: gregor6549
                ... now there is a fight against terrorism everywhere .... And it has long been proved by smart people that it is impossible to fight phenomena in principle ...

                Tell the Jews in Israel how to fight terrorism is impossible, og ...
                Go kangaroo milk, analyte negative
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 12 November 2017 13: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: gregor6549
                The conclusion from my words is wrong, I meant the USSR, and not what was left of it

                I quote you:
                Quote: gregor6549
                But the constant desire former USSR[i] [/ i] impose your lifestyle on the rest of the world,

                Specially highlighted - we make a logical conclusion - "the former USSR" - there are those states that were formed after its collapse. Considering. that only Russia has real power among them, the conclusion is obvious ... So let's get a clearer formulation)))))

                Quote: gregor6549
                Of course, you need to quietly restore the potential of Russia and the balance of power in the world, because only this can save this world, but it must be done calmly, without hysteria and not provoke “friends” to the reaction that we do not need, at least for now.

                Dear you. apparently they lived in Asvstralia for too long - I understand that there’s just the “musculus goleteos” of the world, but still you need to monitor the situation in the world)
                Because. that if you were following, you understood that the West has been provoking Russia since 2004 (and not vice versa), when you began to get actively involved in the political process on the territory of that former USSR by organizing color revolutions and bringing openly anti-Russian regimes to power like the regimes of Yushchenko and Saakashvili ...
                So here you can safely say "they first started")))))
                Quote: gregor6549
                All current military hysteria in Russia

                Oh dear. you do not seem to be in the know. what is military hysteria ... I live in the very center of Russia and don’t notice any military hysteria, but acquaintances from Poland just say that in this wonderful European country they are very, very trying to initiate this very “military hysteria”, but , fortunately, most of the citizens are not conducted))))
        2. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 11 November 2017 16: 39 New
          +1
          The imposition of democracy is a smoke screen to remove or subdue a competitor. The West does not care about the totalitarian regimes that support America.
          "Anglo-Saxons" treat Russians well. Politics is the other side of the coin.
      2. dzuar saubarag
        dzuar saubarag 15 November 2017 13: 09 New
        0
        Quote: gregor6549
        But the constant desire of the former USSR to impose its lifestyle on the rest of the world, including the Anglo-Saxons (i.e. citizens of other countries, including not only Anglo-Saxons) did not like and did not like

        It may be so, but for some reason now they constantly teach us how to live: either give gay pride parades, give freedom to “oppressed peoples”, then stop being an imperial people ... We don’t seem to teach anyone now, and, most importantly, we do not hang up labels - this is a dictator, this is the same, this ... And this is our "flat sidekick" king of Saudi Arabia, he is a good, absolute monarch, but a good, deep democrat in his soul!
    9. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 11 November 2017 11: 51 New
      0
      People are the same, but continental diseases are different for all peoples. One people will get sick, no other. It's like with vodka. Russian can overcome alcoholism, no hunt. That's what they want to create specifically bacteriological, viral weapons.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 11 November 2017 15: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        but continental diseases are different for all nations

        Another myth - there are no "continental diseases", what you described - there are only features of the populations. So in terms of resistance to alcohol, Russian Russian discord - someone can drink a lot and nothing to him - no dependence, but someone gets drunk better than the same peoples of the north. You understand - there are no such genetic features in humans that would be found only in the aquatic population and no longer in any other ... I repeat - genetically different nations are just a mix of the same components, but in different proportions ...
    10. max702
      max702 11 November 2017 20: 21 New
      0
      There is such a chic story "Irwin Shaw. Mannickon Solution" http://lib.ru/INPROZ/SHOU_I/mannikon.txt read it back in the early 90s .. I highly recommend that you read it .. And this is not the first time that fiction becomes reality, though not 100% .. How it becomes chilly, devil of jokes ...
  2. The black
    The black 10 November 2017 12: 27 New
    +6
    Is it possible or not to create a genetic weapon against a certain nation?
    The history of mankind says that nothing is impossible. The only question is time.
    1. figwam
      figwam 10 November 2017 12: 36 New
      +3
      Of course, such weapons can be created, even take vodka. The northern peoples (Chukchi, Nenets, etc.) of Russia quickly drunk and die, the indigenous peoples of North America (Indians) have the same story, because they have very slow alcohol breakdown in the body, and other peoples do not have such consequences, which means a difference at the gene level exists.
    2. serriy
      serriy 10 November 2017 14: 10 New
      +2
      Moreover. Americans believe that they need and create, and test! angry
      But liberal humanists have muddied us: “it is possible or not”, but how so - against a certain nation! fool
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 26 New
        0
        Quote: serriy
        Moreover. Americans believe that they need and create, and test!

        Oh well, where is it? Give examples, name strains of artificial viruses created by amers, whom they infect ...

        Hmm, in the plan of biology, people have complete mess in their heads, where is our famous Soviet education? Or did everyone sleep at school in biology classes?
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  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 November 2017 12: 29 New
    +1
    ... let them decide - "assistant professors with candidates" V.S. Vysotsky ....
  5. PalBor
    PalBor 10 November 2017 12: 29 New
    +4
    Listen, is there a strange epidemic of pneumonia among children all over Russia ?! Our school is now in quarantine ... You will involuntarily think about it what
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 11 November 2017 13: 10 New
      0
      Quote: PalBor
      Listen, is there a strange epidemic of pneumonia among children all over Russia ?! Our school is now in quarantine ... You will involuntarily think about it what


      just about ... in the summer, an outbreak of some kind of enterovirus infection in our Rostov region, the temperature did not go off for several days, officially several cases. But there were a lot of sick children ...
  6. den3080
    den3080 10 November 2017 12: 30 New
    +1
    Nothing is impossible
    For a doctor for emergency (s)

    only here people of different nationalities mate regularly, genes "mix", how to deal with it?
    so ... infected a native tribe with an illness unknown to them and consider no tribe, and this already happened during the colonization of America, for example.
    Well, this does not give sick heads rest. I suppose so.
    1. figwam
      figwam 10 November 2017 12: 42 New
      0
      Quote: den3080
      Nothing is impossible
      For a doctor for emergency (s)

      only here people of different nationalities mate regularly, genes "mix", how to deal with it?

      For example, the genes of the Chinese are very strong, when mixed, they gradually displace other genes, after a couple of generations, the output will be pure Chinese.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        For example, the genes of the Chinese are very strong, when mixed, they gradually displace other genes, after a couple of generations, the output will be pure Chinese.

        No more stupidity can be said ... "Strong" genes, that is, dominant alleles of genes, are present in all nations, just their composition is different. So the Chinese, like all Asians, have dominant alleles. controlling the development of the epicanthus - the skin fold covering the lacrimal sac, which makes the eyes "slanted" - yes - once having received such an allele from one of the parents, the person will definitely pass it on to his descendants. But if, in equal proportions, the same Chinese and Russians mitigate for many generations, then in the end only dominant alleles will remain, and in the end an ideal intermediate form will be obtained.
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  8. Berber
    Berber 10 November 2017 12: 33 New
    +4
    It may not be possible, but the United States has a great desire to be possible. Laboratories around the perimeter of Russia are not just.
  9. kursk87
    kursk87 10 November 2017 12: 36 New
    +1
    American authorities are led by scum who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. Anglo-Saxons hate the Russian world. They would really like us Russians to end their existence.
    1. serriy
      serriy 10 November 2017 14: 14 New
      0
      Think smartly. If you are going to run for deputy, let me know - I will vote.
  10. HAM
    HAM 10 November 2017 12: 45 New
    +1
    Why is it impossible? Why if we are so "identical" to tolerate the use of milk and alcohol in different ways (I mean the peoples of the North, Asia, and not individuals) and other differences?
    Americans, it turns out, know more than h.k. Kutsev.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      Why is it impossible? Why if we are so "identical" to tolerate the use of milk and alcohol in different ways (I mean the peoples of the North, Asia, and not individuals) and other differences?

      These differences are insignificant - among each nation there are a huge number of people who suffer from lactose intolerance, have a slow alcohol dehydrogenase, etc. Only their ratio is different - in a certain population of people with such features more. in some less. Moreover, the genetic features that determine such a polymorphism are extremely insufficient to ensure at least 50% selectivity of some “genetic” weapons.
  11. Victor-M
    Victor-M 10 November 2017 12: 58 New
    +1
    Is it possible or not to create a genetic weapon against a certain nation?

    Is it possible or not, what's the difference? Biological weapons can be used focally, and those who have serum from infections used in biological weapons in advance will have nothing to use them, and the epidemiological situation will be maintained until certain goals are achieved, namely, reducing the population in the area of ​​interest. Russia needs to be proactive, spreading infections in those countries where American biological laboratories are located in order to raise the local population to protests, and remove these bases from the borders of Russia.
  12. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 10 November 2017 13: 01 New
    +1
    Is it possible or not to create a genetic weapon against a certain nation?

    It’s impossible against the Russians: too many of our girls give birth from Turks and Egyptians, and in the Far East - from the Chinese and the gene pool is constantly ennobled with new genes.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Young_Communist
      It’s impossible against the Russians: too many of our girls give birth from Turks and Egyptians, and in the Far East - from the Chinese and the gene pool is constantly ennobled with new genes.

      And in principle, in our population, local polymorphism is very large - historically we are very diverse genetically)
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 10 November 2017 13: 10 New
    +1
    They tried to create bacteriological selective weapons.
    And there are interviews with scientists close to such developments, which in principle is possible.
    True, it was about strong racial differences, for example, the impact only on the black race, or Asians.
    But research is ongoing and who knows how much has already advanced?
    Genetically, in theory, this is easier to do, the problem is that the human genome has not yet been completely decrypted. But, if they try, it means sooner or later this will happen.
    In any case, such information is classified and it is unlikely that we will find out even approximately.
    1. albert
      albert 10 November 2017 20: 10 New
      +1
      I read one old book about various types of weapons of mass destruction. So there was one interesting excerpt from an article by Marshal Ogarkov in the Red Star. He wrote about the development by Americans of a genetic selective weapon. This book was published in 1983, and science with since then has stepped far forward. So, the appearance of such things is quite real.
  14. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 13: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Anarchist
    The idea of ​​creating a genetic weapon against an individual nation is a crazy idea! Especially against the Russians! Who live very, very far distances from each other ...

    ------------------------------------------
    Samples of biomaterial are collected by a specialized laboratory of the US Air Force. She is not interested in some kind of genome, but simply in the biomaterial of people living in the area. Research and development is carried out with the aim of "studying" and subsequently "treating" the knee and elbow joints with us. That is, roughly speaking, the developed substances will not act on the army of blacks, and people of our area will literally be put on their knees.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      roughly speaking, the developed substances will not act on the army of blacks, and people of our area will literally be put on their knees.

      This, dear, is impossible - in the century when reading the human genome is 200 bucks, in the century when hundreds of thousands of genomes can be effectively compared and look for differences, similarities, it has long been clear that there are NO such strong differences even between black and white)) )))
  15. gukoyan
    gukoyan 10 November 2017 13: 54 New
    +2
    Maybe they can deduce a new Ebola, play with genetics, compare, derive a common denominator ... I would not want to, of course, here our state will bring us to the grave with stupid laws and tax fees and stupid reforms.
  16. opus
    opus 10 November 2017 14: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: Author
    The idea that in the West it is possible to create versions of weapons used (in perspective) against the gene code of a person of a certain nationality, is supported by State Duma deputy Gennady Onishchenko (the former chief sanitary doctor of Russia).

    Genka Onishchenko (Drishchenko) - the main lobbyist for GMOs in Russia has been and remains.
    At the meeting of the International Agribusiness Club in Moscow in 2010, Russian Chief Sanitary Inspector Gennady Onishchenko called GMO "a boon to the country"

    The head of Rospotrebnadzor, Gennady Onishchenko, has been in favor of a genetically modified product for more than a year and a half. 27 June 2012, during the hearings in the State Duma Onishchenko, who is also the head of the department of sanitary food hygiene, again touched on this topic. He said that Russians should not be afraid to use products containing GMOs.

    21 May 2013 on the Nevsky Ecological Forum, Chief Sanitary Doctor Gennady Onishchenko, who for years has been unswervingly protecting us from Georgian wine, Baltic sprats and other Borjomi, dared to take care of all earthlings at once: "Without the use of GMOs, it is impossible to provide products for people on Earth." Even now, a billion people are starving, and in order to feed everyone, it is necessary to introduce nanotechnology, biotechnology and GMO technology, and not try to go to the "patriarchal economy", because there is no "green economy" and "organic products" - he continued.


    etc.
    and now, in my opinion, on grants from the Monsanto Company, it is resting, and Mr. Onishchenko himself prefers to eat in the Michelin-style restaurant at Barber, where the “patriarchal” origin of food is obvious, and the quality, taste and aroma cause a continuous delight, despite all that “ Green economy ”or“ organic products ”, of course, does not exist. And we are entangled by the soldering of nano-bio-genetically modified food, tightly wrapped in polyethylene, and the taste is not much different from polyethylene.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 November 2017 14: 50 New
      +1
      You, in my opinion, scare genetically modified foods grown in artificial greenhouses in greenhouses.
      GMOs can grow in completely natural conditions in fields and gardens. Just from some places they will be resistant to frost, and in others - to droughts, for example.
      1. opus
        opus 10 November 2017 15: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I think you're scaring genetically modified foods.

        no, I don't “scare” products, they scare me
        Quote: voyaka uh
        GMOs can grow in completely natural conditions in the fields and gardens.

        can not "freely" in a normal society.
        1. All that has been brought to your field (non-GMO / P) by wind, birds, etc. = property of the patent holder of the GMO / P line. You will lose any court and pay a fine and return the entire crop.
        2. Problems with dicamba in Arkansas forced the authorities to once again ban this herbicide

        Quote: voyaka uh
        resistant to frost, and in others - to drought, for example.

        I am glad.
        But let's say GM potatoes bring and leave the tail of the genome in the microflora of the stomach of the Jewish people
        A GM soy (sauce) will bring another stub
        All of them are harmless individually and without the third component.
        And when it is necessary (to whom the thread) to disinfect a section of the Earth from the Jewish ethnos, water will appear on the market (in the aqueduct) with a safe initiator ("trigger hook") / component No. XXUMX, which together with the first two will cause the plague of intestinal bacteria of the chosen people ( and only him).
        everything.
        And indeed the use of proprietary GM Aliens products, as seed stock / basis-idiocy.
        Tell who are Bayer-Monsanto or so know?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 10 November 2017 21: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: opus
          But let's say GM potatoes bring and leave the tail of the genome in the microflora of the stomach of the Jewish people

          Dear, well, where did you read such nonsense? For your information, the so-called horizontal gene transfer is possible only with viruses that can infect, for example, a mouse and a cat that eats this mouse, then yes - such a virus, once copied by hooking a piece of the genome of one host, drags it into the genome of another. But the likelihood of this is immeasurably small. Moreover, the organism will turn off the introduced foreign gene by recognizing a different methyl code on it. And more importantly, plant viruses cannot physically infect humans (animals), so we don’t pick up the “alien gene” from transgenic potatoes, rather from a transgenic animal, but the funny thing is that this can happen to ordinary non-tansgenic animals ))))) This is something that does not scare us much))))

          In general, it’s time to abandon all these genetically fears - the genome of any organism is like secret blueprints in a secret design bureau - is kept under seven seals with a huge security system and in an inaccessible bunker, and only a “professional spy” - a virus can get into it, and then it’s evolved mechanisms. so about 1/3 of the human genome (almost 1 billion nucleotide pairs!) are just such suppressed viruses. which once penetrated our genome, but were heavily beaten by our defense mechanisms and now just weigh there as "genetically garbage")))))
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 November 2017 23: 36 New
          +1
          "again prohibit this herbicide" ////

          Herbicides therefore have to be applied because plants are NOT genetically modified.
          The main advantage of GMF is that it does not require unhealthy herbicides.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 12 November 2017 13: 44 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            "again prohibit this herbicide" ////
            Herbicides therefore have to be applied because plants are NOT genetically modified.
            The main advantage of GMF is that it does not require unhealthy herbicides.

            I fully support - the main task in creating transgenic organisms is to increase the productivity of varieties / breeds and increase the resistance of varieties / breeds to diseases / parasites, which will exclude the use of any herbicides and antibiotics there.

            The most interesting thing in this story is that the “anti-GMO” campaigns are financed by the producers of toxic chemicals just afraid to go bankrupt)))) In the same way, the sheep breeders campaigned against the “killing of fur-bearing animals” (bred in nurseries). that went bankrupt due to the consumer switching from sheepskin to fur))))
    2. Alexanast
      Alexanast 10 November 2017 15: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: opus
      Genka Onishchenko (Drishchenko) - the main lobbyist for GMOs in Russia has been and remains.


      It’s very correctly noticed ... I wanted to write about it myself, but I decided to read all the comments to the end ... You beat me "my friend" ... recourse
      And this genka, instead of his direct duties, such as caring for the health of the nation, is stuffing his pockets lobbying for the interests of monsters like Monsanto.
      But if you think carefully - from GMOs to biological weapons, the steps are not very big.
      1. opus
        opus 10 November 2017 16: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexanast
        from GMOs to biological weapons, the step is not very big.

        GMO and so weapons.
        Not biological, so economic.

        Imposing high-yielding countries like India patented GMO plants under the pretext of fighting hunger, to create a market for Monsanto products, and with the second hand (IMF) to give loans for the purchase of such seeds, since the modified plants themselves cannot be reproduced in the traditional way and suitable seeds do not give (Monsanto promised wassat do not use so-called. "Terminator gene", so they give, like ordinary plants, but saving seeds for future sowing is punishable by a contract with Monsato, driving peasant farmers into anal slavery, and even those same farms stopped storing grain, preferring to buy it from Monsanta.
        Double gesheft!
        And if sanctions?


        Shl. In the EU countries do not like GMOs because of the lack of their own manufacturers, and therefore violations of the principle of food security.
        but he is dead.

        =================================================
        ========================
        Unlike traditional breeding, GM technology allows very accurately change the genome(The part of the DNA molecule that is the template for the synthesis of RNA), which means that if there is an evil intent, then once and again bring into the market a TASTE, slowly and selectively destroying certain categories of the population.
        Or, let's say, stimulating the production of certain hormones that stimulate a particular behavior.
        type:

        good
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast 10 November 2017 16: 46 New
          +8
          Not biological, so economic.


          The cultivation of transgenic crops leads to the emergence of a strict dependence of national agricultural production on biotechnological corporations with the rights to cultivated GM crops, legalized by international law.

          And at the expense of biological weapons, you have already answered a friend from the promised land.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 11 November 2017 15: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexanast
            The cultivation of transgenic crops leads to the emergence of a strict dependence of national agricultural production on biotechnological corporations with the rights to cultivated GM crops, legalized by international law.

            Hmm, what then prevents us from creating our own transgenic cultures, getting huge crops, and bankrupting a European producer? My answer is “anti-GMO” legislation, lobbied through our bureaucrats bought, bought by the same Monsanto and other producers of transgenic crops in the west ... And they pay all the horror stories about “GMOs” in our country ...
            1. Alexanast
              Alexanast 12 November 2017 10: 03 New
              +8
              and then what prevents us from creating our own transgenic cultures


              What for ? It’s easier and better to ban GMOs in Russia.

              all horror stories about GMOs


              I would not categorically assert that the "horror stories" about GMOs are nonsense.
              Independent studies on the harmfulness or harmlessness of these products to the human body have not been conducted. until now.
              And all the results, as it were, of "harmlessness" were obtained in laboratories of manufacturers of GMOs.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 12 November 2017 13: 55 New
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                Quote: Alexanast
                What for ? It’s easier and better to ban GMOs in Russia.

                I can’t disagree here - it’s easier to ban everything than to spend money that you can put in your pocket next to a bribe from those who lobbied for the law on the ban on GMOs ...
                Quote: Alexanast
                I would not categorically assert that the "horror stories" about GMOs are nonsense.
                Independent studies on the harmfulness or harmlessness of these products to the human body have not been carried out to date.
                And all the results, as it were, of "harmlessness" were obtained in laboratories of manufacturers of GMOs.

                Here things are like this - in the West, with its obsession with healthcare, there have long been independent specialized laboratories. who are testing new lines of transgenic organisms, and this has been done for a long time - it takes 5-7 years to test one line - that is, those lines that were created in 2009-1010 only will now go into circulation. at the same time, testing is not only on biochemistry, but also on several generations of dogs - on 3 usually, sometimes on 2 - 3 generations of monkeys, necessarily - on 10 generations of rats. At the same time, at least 3/4 of all new transgenic lines do not pass these tests, because there are only slight suspicions of possible harm.
                So somehow ...
  17. Weyland
    Weyland 10 November 2017 19: 59 New
    +1
    Erbins are too genetically close to the Aryans - so the risk is unacceptable. It is against blacks and Indians that they actively used measles, and against us - it will not work!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 November 2017 13: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Weyland
      Erbins are too genetically close to Aryans

      Dear, there were no Erbins, and the Aryans are an Indian nationality))))
  18. Bare
    Bare 10 November 2017 20: 16 New
    0
    GDP statements are based on.
    Destroy the male population, say the Mongoloid race, aged 30 to 50 years, this was already mentioned in the 80s.
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 10 November 2017 22: 48 New
    +1
    It’s just that you don’t have to spare money, you need to set the “green” and other Greenpeace with ecologists at the American bacteriological laboratories in Georgia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
  20. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 11 November 2017 15: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    but continental diseases are different for all nations

    Another myth - there are no "continental diseases", what you described - there are only features of the populations. So in terms of resistance to alcohol, Russian Russian discord - someone can drink a lot and nothing to him - no dependence, but someone gets drunk better than the same peoples of the north. You understand - there are no such genetic features in humans that would be found only in the aquatic population and no longer in any other ... I repeat - genetically different nations are just a mix of the same components, but in different proportions ...
    But read it!
    Neither the Yakuts, nor the Evenks, nor the Chukchi knew the taste of alcohol until the Russians arrived on their land. Maybe this was due to the peculiarities of the national cuisine, maybe there was no need to "expand consciousness" - it is unknown. But the fact remains. As a result, they do not have the enzyme that breaks down ethyl alcohol. A rare native northerner can stand on his feet by tasting alcohol. Moreover, from now on, memories of past euphoria cloud his mind. In order to test it again, Yakut is ready for anything. This was used by the Russian conquerors of the North. A bottle of vodka in Siberian open spaces was in the position of hard currency. Alcohol was exchanged for valuable furs, minerals and other riches of the Russian North. Well this is rude. Http://www.goroskop.ru/publish/open_article
    /90488/. But professionally. The medical and biological aspects of the problem

    It is widely believed that indigenous northerners are genetically predisposed to the development of alcoholism. ... Indeed, some elements of the complex scheme of the metabolism of alcohol (ethanol) in the human body are under genetic control. The two stages of ethanol processing in the liver are the most studied in this respect. At the first, under the influence of the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase, alcohol turns into toxic acetaldehyde. The speed of alcohol dehydrogenase is determined by the ADH1B * 47His allele. The second stage is the breakdown of acetaldehyde.

    If the enzymes of the second group work slowly (this provides the ALDH2 * 2 allele), a large amount of toxins accumulate in the body in a short time. Signs of poisoning develop: dizziness, palpitations, sweating, nausea and redness of the skin (a characteristic external manifestation, according to which the whole complex of symptoms is called a flash reaction, “flashing”). The main effect of the flash reaction is a feeling of lightheadedness, which forces many (unfortunately, not all - people, he overcomes everything ...) to stop further drinking.

    Exaggerating somewhat, we can say that the combination of the ADH1B * 47His and ALDH2 * 2 alleles determines the degree of “nastiness” of alcohol for a particular person. Representatives of various ethnic and racial groups often differ significantly from each other. A complex flash reaction is most characteristic of the peoples of Southeast Asia - Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, among whom up to 76% are carriers of the ADH1B * 47His allele, and 24-35% are ALDH2 * 2.

    In societies with a widespread η-form of alcohol dependence, such peoples have a very definite idea: "people are nothing there, sincere, but weak in drinking." Indeed, the volume of alcohol consumption in East Asia is significantly lower than in Europe, where the ALDH2 * 2 allele is almost not found, and the frequencies of ADH1B * 47His vary from 0 (Komi) to 1-10% (Finns, Swedes, Russians), only in rare groups, reaching 18% (Chuvash).

    Of course, in populations with high carriage of the alleles of interest to us, some individuals are resistant to alcohol. This combination of a rare Chinese genotype with “atypical flash” was evidently distinguished by Mao Zedong: his ability to drink much more than an ordinary person made a strong impression on those around him ...

    The genetic control of ethanol metabolism and interethnic differences in the frequencies of the corresponding genes began to be actively discussed more than 30 years ago [10]. Almost immediately they decided that the Asian frequencies of the alleles are also characteristic of the indigenous peoples of the North. The assumption, in general, is logical: the Chukchi, Eskimos, Nenets belong to the Mongoloid racial group, as do the Chinese. In popular publications, this point of view is firmly rooted, and the words about the “genetic determinism of ethanol metabolism” were understood as a synonym for “predisposition to alcoholism”. This was enough to create another legend about northern Aborigines in European society.

    Is she fair? Apparently not. First of all, as we have seen, the ratio of alleles specific to South Asians does not at all determine cravings for alcohol - rather, on the contrary, it provides protection against excessive drinking. Secondly, studies show, including ours, that the frequencies of the alleles ADH1B * 47His and ALDH2 * 2 are not Asian at all in the indigenous inhabitants of the Arctic.

    On the contrary, they practically do not differ from those characteristic for populations of central and northern Europe [9]. The allele ALDH2 * 2 is absent among northerners, and the concentration of ADH1B * 47His in the Chukchi and Eskimos reaches only 2-3%.

    Thus, based on the purely genetic side of the issue, it is most correct to conclude that the Northerners do not have a specific genetic defense against alcohol - just like the Russians, Komi, Finns "and other different Swedes." However, the specifics of the biochemical processes of assimilation of alcohol, the indigenous people of high-latitude regions really differ. Their ethanol metabolism is slowed down, its concentration remains high longer, exceeding the level normal for Europeans [10]. http://narvasadataa.livejournal.com/140751.html
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 November 2017 14: 11 New
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      The fact is that Russians are very genetically heterogeneous - that is, there are two very different groups of Russians - conditionally northern, and conditionally south-central (they are one with the Ukrainians and Belarusians). Moreover, within these groups there is a very wide variety - many small subgroups within each large group. Therefore, for a complete picture, we must examine them all, which so far has not been done by anyone. Those frequencies that are given in the article are typical for the “northern” Russians rather than the southern ones.
      Among the peoples of the north, the dominance of several alleles is dictated by the extremely small size and large isolation of their populations in the absence of natural selection for alcohol resistance. For example, Germans and Czechs have developed resistance to phytoestrogens contained in beer, but for Russians these substances will be harmful. as for all other nations that do not have a thousand-year-old brewing culture. The population of Russians is simply huge and spread over a vast territory, which means our genetic diversity will be very large.
      All these differences are dictated by only small differences in the sequences of the corresponding genes - sometimes literally several nucleotides from the entire sequence differ in tens or even hundreds of thousands of nucleotide pairs. And these differences are not so great that some artificial virus recognizes them and embeds them exclusively.
  21. weddu
    weddu 11 November 2017 22: 02 New
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    It has already been created, no one took offshore genetic material around the perimeter of Russia several years ago. Today, part of the research is completed, there is a concrete confirmed result. For this purpose, biomaterials of special Russians are officially collected in order to report on the research done and the results to all the well-known customers ...
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 12 November 2017 14: 55 New
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      Quote: weddu
      It has already been created, no one took offshore genetic material around the perimeter of Russia, a few years ago

      Then how is this fence known?

      Quote: weddu
      It has already been created

      Wow, and you probably work in the lab to create it? Otherwise, where do you get such confidence?
  22. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 November 2017 06: 25 New
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    Nothing is impossible. For example, it was found that some peoples are more susceptible to the negative effects of alcohol than others. They slowly break down alcohol precisely because of the characteristics of genetics. The same can be found for viruses and germs. They wrote about AIDS that 100% fell ill with the black population of AIDS, while the rest - 22% did not get AIDS when they came into contact with the carrier. So the creation of targeted biological weapons is theoretically possible.