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Engine modification for the Falcon 9 exploded during testing

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The Merlin engine for the Falcon 9 launch vehicle exploded last Sunday at the SpaceX test site in Texas, reports TASS message of the newspaper The Washington Post.




This is a new engine modification. His tests are suspended until the investigation is completed.

According to the company representative, “the incident most likely will not affect the launch schedule for the Falcon 9 launch vehicles.” On the first stage of the rocket, nine Merlin engines are installed, and on the second, one such engine.

Malfunctions on the carrier rocket occurred before. Thus, the launched 28 on June 2015 of the year from Cape Canaveral Falcon 9 exploded on the 139 second flight, even before the separation of the first stage. As a result, the ship Dragon and 8 satellites Flock 1f were lost. After that, SpaceX announced changes to the design of the rocket.

In September 2016, the incident occurred during pre-launch tests: a rocket exploded two days before the scheduled launch during refueling. The Falcon 9 and its Israeli communications satellite Amos-6 were destroyed.

The rocket launches were suspended and were not conducted for more than 4's months. Experts have concluded that the explosion resulted in damage to one of the cylinders of the helium supply system in a tank with liquid oxygen at the second stage.
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  1. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 10 November 2017 09: 27 New
    14
    Rogozin is right, they better improve the trampoline.
    1. Logall
      Logall 10 November 2017 09: 30 New
      16
      Hooray comrades! Hooray Hooray Hooray! This is what I call - `` Good morning, country! ''!
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 10 November 2017 09: 33 New
        +9
        The tale of the Mask will sooner or later come to an end anyway, the sooner - the better. The proton should return to its previous positions)))
        1. Logall
          Logall 10 November 2017 09: 38 New
          16
          Maxim, without our engines the USA will not have space!
          Who is the main space power? –Russia!
          May Meehan forgive me - soon we will be the first everywhere! Heh heh ...
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 10 November 2017 09: 53 New
            19
            It is very optimistic and rosy, but it is worth recognizing that in the part of deep space exploration we are completely behind. They will make their engines anyway. I’ll even say more - if we continue to stomp on the spot, then we will completely rid ourselves of the entire Soviet backlog.
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 10 November 2017 10: 24 New
            +4
            Musk launched 16 of his Falcon-9 rockets this year, all of Russia only 15
            1. Popovich
              Popovich 10 November 2017 11: 52 New
              +5
              go put a candle ..
              1. MadCat
                MadCat 10 November 2017 12: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Musk launched 16 of his Falcon-9 rockets this year, all of Russia only 15

                Quote: Popovich
                go put a candle ..

                For Roscosmos put a candle? Well, it’s ridiculously simple, a huge corporation devouring a breakthrough in state money is already blown away thanks to the private mask shop (as posrieta laughed at it), not to mention the fact that not a single interplanetary research project of Roscosmos was completed.
                1. Monos
                  Monos 10 November 2017 14: 09 New
                  +6
                  Quote: MadCat
                  Well it's just ridiculous, a huge corporation devouring a breakthrough of government money

                  Breakthrough - how much? And how much money do you want to count? Call at least one real number, chatterbox.
                  Quote: MadCat
                  thanks to the private mask shop

                  Private? And the fact that technology and specialists were handed over to him from NASA is nothing? And the fact that he has the full support of the state is also nothing? And with all this, SpaceX is still unprofitable, is this also nonsense?
                  You, dear, ignoramus. Go learn your lessons.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 10 November 2017 15: 22 New
                    0
                    And what kind of technology and specialists are transferred? For reference, NASA did not even develop Saturn-5. Saturn-5 was developed by a group of companies, led by a Boeing.
                    1. Monos
                      Monos 10 November 2017 18: 37 New
                      +4
                      В 2002 году Маску помогали: Майкл Гриффин (работал в ЦРУ, НАСА, JPL, Orbital Sciences Corp., в 2005 возглавил НАСА), Джим Кэнтрелл (занимался промышленным шпионажем для США) и инженер, работавший в аэрокосмической компании TRW Space & Electronics, Том Мюллер. В 2002, после создания SpaceX, Маск переманил к ебе целую команду инженеров из TRW. Потом TRW с ним судилась из-за украденных технологий, но, имея все патенты, суд проиграла.
                      Tell me, Musk himself invented and did everything? Oh well... smile
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 10 November 2017 19: 25 New
                        +1
                        And so from NASA there is only one scout and then he is not part of the SpaceX states, but he just helped a thing extremely extensible and unverifiable, did he hire the rest from another private building? Yes, it’s straightforward to see how entire brigades NASA expelled. lol
                        Yes, yes, having the patents, the court lost. Well. well, a little drip and find that TRW ceased to exist in the year SpaceX was founded, when the corporation was devoured by Northrop, SpaceX was only 3 months old. tongue
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 10 November 2017 19: 49 New
                        +2
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Yes, it’s straightforward to see how entire brigades NASA expelled.

                        You, in your naivety, look like that Chukchi boy. NASA is shifting promising but risky projects to private companies like SpaceX. If everything works out, NASA will take its laurels. If not, then the failure will be written off to this private office. At the same time, the dough will be cut down. smile
                  2. MadCat
                    MadCat 11 November 2017 16: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: Monos
                    Breakthrough - how much? And how much money do you want to count? Call at least one real number, chatterbox.

                    they are in debt like in silk this time, you do not take into account the debts of allies who are on the verge of bankruptcy due to plundering of funds, including two, and I have already unlearned my lessons and even received higher technical education, and you go to do my dear lessons, these are three. hi
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        2. The black
          The black 10 November 2017 09: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: maxim947
          The tale of the Mask will sooner or later come to an end anyway, the sooner - the better. The proton should return to its previous positions)))

          Musk is a great rogue and a swindler. Doing engines for spaceships is not an iPad with a screwdriver to cross wassat
          1. The black
            The black 10 November 2017 09: 45 New
            10
            There is an old joke. I adapt to the topic.
            In SpaceX, I wonder why the left solid fuel accelerator exploded, and in the FSB - why the right one did not explode ... wassat
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 10 November 2017 10: 22 New
              +1
              SpaceX does not use solid fuel boosters
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 10 November 2017 10: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: BlackMokona
                SpaceX does not use solid fuel boosters

                So the same joke. smile But here
                At the first stage of the rocket, nine Merlin engines are installed
                We have four in the union. The more engines, the greater the likelihood of a malfunction ... request Until powerful engines master, problems will be 2 times more likely ..., well, according to probability theory ... what
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 10 November 2017 11: 14 New
                  0
                  However, even if one engine explodes, the Falcon-9 can successfully complete the flight. There are already two-engine aircraft against single-engine ones.
                  Plus Falcon-9 is an analogue of Proton, not a union. And that cumulatively has more engines.
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN 10 November 2017 11: 46 New
                    +4
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    However, even if one engine explodes, the Falcon-9 can successfully complete the flight.
                    belay
                    If any engine explodes, it will not fly, because it usually destroys the entire device ...
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 11: 50 New
                      +1
                      Nope, the Marilyn engines are weak, open circuit and in their holder is provided for protection.
                      Thus, the broads should not stop the flight.
                      A simple shutdown, up to two engines.
                      The Falcon 9 booster is capable of successfully completing a flight even when 2 of 9 first-stage engines fail [10] [11]. In such a situation, flight computers recalculate the flight program, and the remaining engines run longer to achieve the required speed and altitude. Similarly, the flight program of the second stage is changing.
                      1. maxim947
                        maxim947 10 November 2017 18: 52 New
                        0
                        A lot of things are also written on the fence ...
                        Additional pull where you take? Will you push it manually?
        3. figwam
          figwam 10 November 2017 09: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: maxim947
          The tale of the Mask will sooner or later come to an end anyway, the sooner - the better. The proton should return to its previous positions)))

          That's for sure. Who was going to Mars there?
        4. IL-18
          IL-18 10 November 2017 11: 23 New
          +5
          Proton? And where will you launch it if Kazakhstan thinks that heptyl is too toxic for use from Baikonur? Nazarbayev is already old. And our spaceports are located to the north, i.e. the farther the launch from the equator, the more expensive the payload to orbit. Yesterday, a Vega rocket with a Ukrainian engine flew from the Kourou space center.
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          2. maxim947
            maxim947 10 November 2017 18: 54 New
            0
            All this fuss against toxic fuel is nothing more than blackmail, more money to tear off, who will refuse free money? Moreover, it falls into the steppe, where there is nothing to muck.
        5. juneart
          juneart 10 November 2017 17: 15 New
          0
          So already in the red at 600 million Baku for the previous year))
          This storyteller divorced everyone on a grand scale!)
          Without sucker, life is bad!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 10 November 2017 17: 57 New
            +1
            Yes, you do not worry about his losses - everything is compensated to him, the US government.
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 10 November 2017 09: 37 New
        +8
        Quote: Logall
        '' Good morning, country! ''!

        see well started drinks
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      4. region58
        region58 10 November 2017 11: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: Logall
        Hooray comrades! Hooray Hooray Hooray! This is what I call - `` Good morning, country! ''!

        Well, yes, yes ... we don’t do things very well, the main thing is to make them worse ... well, joy - the cow died from a neighbor ... is familiar ... fool
      5. aszzz888
        aszzz888 10 November 2017 12: 01 New
        0
        Logall Today, 09:30 ↑ New
        Hooray comrades! Hooray Hooray Hooray! This is what I call - `` Good morning, country! ''!

        ... or "Good evening!" (in 7 time zones) ...
    2. Logall
      Logall 10 November 2017 09: 32 New
      +9
      Quote: Elena Zakharova
      Rogozin is right

      Even the warp is a little beginning ... Not really by the year 30 on the moon?
    3. Buffet
      Buffet 10 November 2017 09: 34 New
      19
      Before engaging shapkozakidatelstvom and uryapatriotizmom, we must remember that under the feet walking path there. Yes, they are mistaken and much that does not work out. But they work. But in Russia, as with advanced developments? What's up with the Hangar? Many projects remain on paper because there is no money. And by the way, many Russian engineers are working on foreign projects. So do not say that they need to fly into space on a trampoline.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 10 November 2017 09: 37 New
        14
        Kindergarten screaming cheers ... wassat funny picture of adults ....

        They will fix it and continue to fly ... The problem was revealed, what prevents future flights?

        . Experts concluded that the explosion resulted in damage to one of the cylinders of the helium supply system in the tank with liquid oxygen in the second stage.


        Amazed at the top comments .... good I read VO - I don’t laugh in the circus .. laughing
        1. Logall
          Logall 10 November 2017 09: 41 New
          17
          Calm down! All this without you. I see! Let me enjoy a little bit, highs!
        2. models
          models 10 November 2017 10: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          They will fix it and continue to fly ...
          Still worse. The engine for the next version of the rocket flashed, the current one was flying and will be until the upgraded one is brought.
      2. Mik13
        Mik13 10 November 2017 09: 47 New
        11
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Before engaging in cap-making and ря пат ри ри от изм изм изм надо надо надо надо надо надо надо надо надо надо надо заниматься чем чем чем чем чем чем чем чем чем ’

        I would like to remind some that a similar catastrophe in the USSR - namely, a rocket explosion on a table during prelaunch preparations - ended very, very sadly. Almost 100 people burned alive, including Marshal Nedelin, who was the organizer of this disgrace. So the comparison is not at all in favor of Russia / USSR for now.

        Yes, and after mentioning the trampoline, you should remember whether there was a recent piquant incident in one energy superpower when a storekeeper fell ill at one super factory, and because of this, a whole batch of rocket engines was soldered in the wrong solder. Just business - a couple of missiles fell and losses of several billion ...
        Perhaps, in the light of such a crushing success, Rogozin will be given a salary in trampolines? And at the same time, and to all his many relatives, whom he in obscene quantities shoved into the posts of directors and managers ...
        1. models
          models 10 November 2017 10: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Mik13
          I would like to remind some that a similar catastrophe in the USSR - namely, a rocket explosion on a table during prelaunch preparations - ended very, very sadly.
          Moreover, there were at least two such disasters. Even in 1980, Voskhod killed 50 people of the starting team with fire and injured as many more.
        2. region58
          region58 10 November 2017 11: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Mik13
          Just business - a couple of missiles fell

          Quote: Captain Nemo
          sensors with "foolproof" hammer into the socket with a hammer

          No one has canceled human foolishness. Both of them and us. Unfortunately...
      3. models
        models 10 November 2017 10: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Many projects remain on paper because there is no money.
        If. At that Angara, by the beginning of 2014 alone, more than 100 billion wooden spills ... were.
        1. Buffet
          Buffet 10 November 2017 11: 25 New
          0
          In this context, I mean the project of MAKS and the Crown.
          1. models
            models 10 November 2017 14: 36 New
            0
            The same Angara - in theory, everything is great, but in practice, dupa. MAKS does not scale up along the PN, and Mriya was produced externally and does not apply almost anywhere except MAKS (i.e., all depreciation will fall into the cost of launching). The corona, because of its single-stage design, requires extreme technologies at once for engines and construction with all the consequences. There was a normal project - a Russian woman from the same Makeevites. Almost like a mask.
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 10: 34 New
          0
          Quote: modeller
          Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
          Many projects remain on paper because there is no money.
          If. At that Angara, by the beginning of 2014 alone, more than 100 billion wooden spills ... were.

          At a rate of 30 for $ we get almost $ 3 billion for a rocket that flew 2 times as part of the tests and that’s all.
          A good gesheft, considering how much was spent on the creation of the Falcon-9.
          And where did you drink after that?
          1. models
            models 11 November 2017 13: 21 New
            +1
            About $ 9 was spent on the creation of Falcon-300 million. all the rest are already launches and upgrades.
            Quote: prosto_rgb
            And where did you drink after that?
            Everywhere where state participation is significant. The Americans in the SLS also have a circus with horses.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 18: 32 New
              0
              Quote: modeller
              About $ 9 million was spent on the creation of Falcon-300. all the rest are already launches and upgrades.

              This is what we are talking about !!!
    4. Lex.
      Lex. 10 November 2017 09: 53 New
      0
      Rogozin is right, it’s better for them to improve the trampoline. And that this is only a test and it’s not a penny from the budget because it is a private company
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 10 November 2017 09: 58 New
        +2
        And that this is only a test and from the budget it doesn’t go a penny as it is a private company[i] [/ i] Are you really so naive? Or ...? Subsidies come from the start, and it even looks like dumping.
        1. models
          models 10 November 2017 10: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: maxim947
          Subsidies come from the start
          A weak proofs in the language of Shakespeare show how there is subsidization?
          1. MadCat
            MadCat 10 November 2017 12: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: modeller
            A weak proofs in the language of Shakespeare show how there is subsidization?

            in this place, all the posrits are usually blown away, with the evidence then the tension ... lol
            1. models
              models 10 November 2017 14: 45 New
              0
              They are blown away by the fact that English slept at school. For example:
              http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-sub
              sidies-20150531-story.html
              That's just practically all of those 5 yards - Tesla and SolarCity, and you could spend them only to cover the costs of the respective companies. That subsidies and SpaceX as much as 20 million from the state of Texas. Everything else is contracts.

              In addition, in the US, subsidies are the norm:
              https://electrek.co/2016/11/25/tesla-subsidies-bi
              g-three-oil-industry /
              Nipel system - tax a bunch of taxes on the business and at the same time give subsidies. And immediately a bunch of clerks at work.
        2. Lex.
          Lex. 10 November 2017 13: 28 New
          0
          There is evidence of subsidies, I do not have
      2. Popovich
        Popovich 10 November 2017 11: 54 New
        +1
        yeah private synagogue sponsors smile
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 10 November 2017 13: 29 New
          0
          Yeah, the private synagogue sponsors, are you envious?
    5. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 10: 50 New
      +2
      And what do we need to improve? If we hammer hammered sensors with "protection against a fool" into the socket, and change the materials of individual parts without coordination of the accessories? Enough already ? And it turns out according to Soviet agitation "And in America, the Kukukklanovites hang blacks"
    6. Maz
      Maz 10 November 2017 14: 25 New
      +1
      Is this the same rocket our Israeli colleagues are praying for? Well let them continue
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 10: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Maz
        Is this the same rocket our Israeli colleagues are praying for? Well let them continue

        it’s not a rocket at all, but a new modification of the engine at the stand.
  2. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 10 November 2017 09: 28 New
    +1
    What can I say as in the famous old cartoon "Goodbye to Earth" "Good luck" "Pi-ts arrived")))
  3. AVA77
    AVA77 10 November 2017 09: 33 New
    +4
    There she and the road, I am satisfied am and I don’t care about morality.
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 10 November 2017 12: 44 New
      +2
      Accident
      In the most general case, it is possible to construct a graph of relative accident rates by country, dividing the sum of emergency starts (partial success will be considered half the accident) by the number of starts in the country. The result is curious.


      Quote: AVA77
      There she is dear, I am pleased with am and do not care for my morality.

      save the poison for Rogozin’s trampolines, and soon they will not be.
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 10: 38 New
      0
      Quote: AVA77
      There she and the road, I am satisfied am and I don’t care about morality.

      only not to her, but to him
      for the engine is masculine, at least in the Russian language.
  4. Vadim851
    Vadim851 10 November 2017 09: 38 New
    0
    It’s good that the tests, and not in flight with the loss of satellites. Not everything is successful the first time and it’s better on earth
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  5. Mwg
    Mwg 10 November 2017 09: 39 New
    +3
    Well, yes, when you try to copy something, it always turns out worse than the original. And if it's RD, then it can explode inadvertently ...
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 10: 25 New
      0
      Marilyn engine is an open circuit, and RD is closed, a different type of engine
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 10 November 2017 14: 47 New
        0
        We tested an open RD circuit in another 60s. And in the 80s - too ... Yes, and now they get new patents
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 10 November 2017 15: 23 New
          0
          so which engine is Marilyn copying?
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 10 November 2017 19: 13 New
            0
            One of the developments of the USSR 80s
            1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
              Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 25 February 2018 01: 15 New
              0
              which one? squeeze a drop by drop answer?
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 11: 44 New
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            so which engine is Marilyn copying?

            from serial - no
            from experimental - there is a reference to one of the options developed for NASA in the mid-60s
            But this is only true for the Merlin 1A variant.
            And even then his age was very short:
            This type of engine was used twice(!!!):
            - the first time on March 24, 2006, when a fuel leak occurred in the engine, which led to an accident shortly after the start of the flight;
            - the second time on March 24, 2007, when he worked successfully. In both cases, the engine was used on the Falcon 1.
            Next is your own development.
            Now "Merlin 1D +" is already flying, the 4th (or even 5th) version of the engine.
  6. OneMoreDay
    OneMoreDay 10 November 2017 09: 42 New
    0
    So did the engine or modification explode? Well this is such a headline ...
  7. pvv113
    pvv113 10 November 2017 09: 43 New
    +7
    The joke was remembered:
    USA, spaceport, launch of the Challenger reusable spacecraft. Two crows sit on the fence and argue:
    - Take off!
    - Do not take off!
    - Take off!
    - Do not take off!
    The ship rises several meters and explodes.
    - Well, crap!
    - Serving the Soviet Union!
  8. evil partisan
    evil partisan 10 November 2017 09: 43 New
    +9
    And THESE people once flew to the moon? what
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 10: 26 New
      +2
      These people launched 25 missiles (USA) against 15 missiles (Russia) this year.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 10 November 2017 11: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        These people launched 25 missiles (USA) against 15 missiles (Russia) this year.

        Yes, I am in the know. yes Don't be so serious, Colleague! hi
      2. 110 school
        110 school 12 November 2017 21: 43 New
        0
        So after all, a regional gas station was launched from a gas station. Where are we to the defining and guiding ...
  9. models
    models 10 November 2017 09: 44 New
    +2
    On August 27.08.1998, 180, at the stand of NPO Energomash in Khimki, the RD-40 engine ran for 200 seconds. instead of the intended XNUMX. It was disabled by commands from sensors that detected overheating of the turbopump assembly (TNA). Subsequent inspection showed significant damage (burnout) of the oxidizer pump. The reason for the failure was called an incorrectly installed gasket, which blocked the flow of the cooling component in the TNA. The incident occurs during the bench test engine.
    May 17.05.2005, 180, a burnout occurred during the main tests (obviously, this refers to the control and technological test) of the RD-5 engine. Tests were conducted at NPO Energomash before export to the USA for use in the Atlas-XNUMX launch vehicle. Details of the incident are unknown.
    In March 2002, the accident occurred RD-191 at the stand of NPO Energomash in Khimki. At the end of the 4th of the planned series of short-term fire tests of the rocket engine lasting 18 seconds. there was a partial destruction of the suspension unit of the combustion chamber with the opening of the bellows and part of the pipelines. Automation clearly tracked the start of the accident and turned off the engine. The stand and RD-191 received local damage, but the latter became unsuitable for continuing the tests. According to the developer, the culprit of the emergency was a new control system, which was worked out during these tests.
    In August 2010, one of the RD-191 engines burned out during the scheduled multiple tests. According to the representative of NPO Energomash: “The engine was supposed to burn out. This is an absolutely normal standard situation, specialists had to establish what loads it was able to withstand.”
    25.12.2009/171/1 during the fire acceptance test of the RD-17,6M engine at the stand of NPO Energomash OJSC, the engine failed with the destruction of the material part of the engine and individual systems of the stand. The commission, which included specialists from various departments of NPO Energomash, examined the results of processing telemetric measurements and the results of the analysis of the state of the material part, the results of the calculated estimates and the results of specially organized and conducted experimental studies concluded the following. 2. The engine failure during its operation at the nominal thrust mode occurred as a result of a fire for 18,2 seconds in the gas cavity behind the TNA turbine at the junction of the exhaust manifold of the turbine with the gas path of one of the chambers (chamber No. 2). The development of combustion led for 3 seconds to the destruction of the gas path of the engine behind the turbine, explosion and fire. 4. The initiation of ignition occurred as a result of the ingress of a foreign object (substance) into the gas cavity during engine manufacturing that could not be detected by regular inspection and control procedures. 171. The organic nature of the foreign object (substance) that has got inside the gas path during the work with the subassembly of the “gas duct block” of the engine is recognized as the most probable. 171. The identified cause of the RD-180M engine failure does not require the adoption of corrective measures for the RD-191M, RD-5 and RD-18 engines that have passed the fire acceptance tests. XNUMX. The Commission developed and recommended a set of corrective measures to prevent the ingress of foreign objects (substances) into the internal cavities of all types of engines, and the introduction of an additional procedure for inspecting the gas path of engines at the final stages of assembly. However, it is not very clear how, in the presence of organic pollution, ignition occurred only at the XNUMXth second of engine operation.
    http://rusrocket.narod.ru/strainengines.html

    Ololo, Russians cannot go into space, rocket engine - this is not a tank to rivet you.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 10 November 2017 09: 54 New
      +5
      Hm. Your humor is understandable, but we "rivet" the tanks too, so that other tank-building powers still have a "stutter" laughing
      But in fact, we still carry the Americans to the ISS.
      1. models
        models 10 November 2017 10: 04 New
        +1
        About 2 years ago, we launched the most missiles a year.
    2. SOF
      SOF 10 November 2017 09: 56 New
      +5
      Ololo, the Russians cannot go into space, the rocket engine - this is not a tank for you to rivet

      ... and flooded something ...
      All this and without you, in the public domain, a dime a dozen.
      Here are just a few:
      1) we do not knock ourselves with the heel in the chest, which is exceptional;
      2) and on the moon we are still while were not...
      1. models
        models 10 November 2017 10: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: SOF
        1) we do not knock ourselves with the heel in the chest, which is exceptional;
        And the crowds of "patriots" screaming about the exceptional RD-180 and "we are taking to the ISS" in any near-cosmic theme did the State Department send here?
        1. SOF
          SOF 10 November 2017 10: 23 New
          +2
          ... bravado that does not oblige and does not affect anything, with a certain share of quite admissible adoration of “its swamp” (each sandpiper praises its swamp).
          Do you think that the Americans, on their websites like this, are in a different situation ???
          1. models
            models 10 November 2017 10: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: SOF
            ... bravado that does not oblige and does not affect anything, with a certain share of quite admissible adoration of “its swamp” (each sandpiper praises its swamp).
            1. And how is this different from banging your heel on your chest?
            2. Rogozin with his "Will the trampoline fly" the same "non-binding bravado?"
            Quote: SOF
            Do you think that the Americans, on their websites like this, are in a different situation ???
            I read the nasaspaceflight forum - everything is completely correct and they are interested in the Soviet / Russian cosmonautics there without hooting. This is despite the fact that we also have enough "trampoline" on near-space resources like FNK.
            1. SOF
              SOF 10 November 2017 12: 11 New
              +1
              And how is this different from banging your heel on your chest?

              ... stop already, okay?
              Of course, I understand that your associations between local guests and US presidents will be honored by many of the first, but not to the same extent.
              And about Rogozin and his (only his) trampolines, I once spoke out in approximately the following vein: if you don’t have authority or you weren’t told to say it from above, then there’s nothing to shake the air, to the detriment of myself. Although ... but why the hell is not joking. The issue of trampolines is already beginning to be digested more representatively in the wards.
              I read the nasaspaceflight forum - everything is quite correct ...
              ... everything can be, then you were lucky with a revered site. Although, I can’t believe that you’re not even a little disingenuous, because as Obama used to say and what Trump echoes, they have the most train trains in the world. In this, in my opinion, is our second parity with them after nuclear missile. laughing
              1. models
                models 10 November 2017 14: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: SOF
                Of course, I understand that your associations between local guests and US presidents will be honored by many of the first, but not to the same extent.
                In the beginning there was “we”, and now suddenly “president”.
                Quote: SOF
                the trampoline survey is already beginning to digest more representatively in the wards.
                During this year, 6 Atlases-5 with the same engine were launched and are no longer planned. Falconov-9 flew 16 and launches will continue because there are Block-4 and flying Block-3. What kind of trampoline?
                Quote: SOF
                Although, I can’t believe that you’re not even a little disingenuous, because as Obama used to say and what Trump echoes, they have the most train trains in the world.
                And they say that the earth is round. Do you yourself write here with the help of MSCT-R or Intel / AMD American-developed?
                1. SOF
                  SOF 10 November 2017 15: 38 New
                  +1
                  ... Semenёёn Semenyich ...
                  In the beginning was “we”, and now suddenly “president”

                  You will deny that even the top officials of the country you respect so much about exclusive exceptionalism? Or will you deny that on this site local forum users say about our achievements?
                  For this year ... Atlases ... Falcons ... Block 4 ... Block 3 ...

                  ... now, to the heap, write down how many exceptional astronauts were delivered to the orbit on these pepelats, otherwise the hint at trampolines is somehow refuted.
                  You yourself write here with the help of MSCT-R or Intel / AMD American development

                  ... so yes, no doubt, that's just everything made in China. In addition, I drive a Korean car, a German invention, listen to the radio there, a Russian-Italian invention, watch a Korean TV, a Russian invention, speak on a Russian mobile phone, a Chinese assembly, but I am delighted with the achievements of my country in space, the achievements of my country in armaments, etc.
                  What .... at least from the above is the achievement of the American "nation"?
                  ... well, anticipating your indignation and sarcasm about what we come up with, and they do, I SAY IMMEDIATELY: I would very much like to look at the superiority of an exceptional hegemonic state after three revolutions, two world wars and one treacherous collapse, where the exceptional, by the way, they took an active part and .... didn’t even make money on it.
                  1. models
                    models 10 November 2017 16: 20 New
                    +1
                    Quote: SOF
                    You will deny that the exclusivity of exceptional poured even the first persons of your country so respected?
                    They fill in with us, though they are mostly not the first persons. And the "exclusivity" of the USA is a reality given in the sensations since 1991.
                    Quote: SOF
                    ... now, to the heap, write down how many exceptional astronauts were delivered to the orbit on these pepelats, otherwise the hint at trampolines is somehow refuted.
                    No one said that the "trampoline" is exclusively about astronauts, do not crawl. Well, they have already managed without astronauts in orbit for about 5 years, but they already have the ability to launch military satellites without an RD-180.
                    Quote: SOF
                    so yes, no doubt, that's just everything made in China
                    Not all. They do it, including in the USA itself, especially servers with routers.
                    Quote: SOF
                    In addition, I drive a Korean car, a German invention, listen to the radio there, a Russian-Italian invention, watch Korean TV
                    The difference between development and invention is not clear, or are you trying to slide again?
                    Quote: SOF
                    I admire the achievements of my country in space
                    production and launch of a rocket and ship developed in a slightly different country? Well fuck you achievements.
                    Quote: SOF
                    What .... at least from the above is the achievement of the American "nation"?
                    For example, the Internet where you are so proud of the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: SOF
                    ... well, anticipating your indignation and sarcasm about what we come up with, and they do
                    As it turned out above, the "we" you have is anyone according to the situation. If we are talking about Russia, then far from everything was invented.
                    Quote: SOF
                    and one treacherous collapse, where the exceptional, by the way, took an active part and .... didn’t even make money on it.
                    Young man or what? The exclusive CPSU with the KGB, with the tacit support of the Soviet people, took an active part and earned on the collapse. In the CIA, they only managed to get fierce as the fiery Leninists with the Chekists repainted voluntarily and with the song.
                    1. SOF
                      SOF 10 November 2017 17: 34 New
                      +1
                      ... a young man or something ...
                      Oh, the army without a flag and without a homeland,
                      Do not poke into the depths of large and clean rivers!
                      Among you and honest, like a holy fool,
                      And mean-spirited, then, is the best Man ...
                      N. Bronnikov
                      The conversation is over due to the excellent object armor ...
                      1. SOF
                        SOF 10 November 2017 18: 16 New
                        +1
                        ... and on the left chest
                        Franklin profile
                        and on the right
                        Obama full face ...
                      2. models
                        models 12 November 2017 11: 56 New
                        0
                        blah blah blah
    3. dog breeder
      dog breeder 10 November 2017 09: 58 New
      +4
      You need to rejoice at your successes, and learn from the failures of others after a qualified analysis. And we have the Papuans around the fire ...
      1. zivXP
        zivXP 10 November 2017 10: 22 New
        +2
        I agree, "another's grief is our joy" is not about us. Technology works to the limit, anything can happen. Testing these limits and finding out further possibilities is of course necessary. But without the development of new technologies, this will slow down. And in order to develop these latest technologies, you need to develop your science and engineering.
  10. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 09: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    Hooray comrades! Hooray Hooray Hooray! This is what I call - `` Good morning, country! ''!

    ---------------------------
    This news made me happy yesterday. good
  11. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 09: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Mik13
    Just business - a couple of missiles fell and losses of several billion ...

    ---------------------------------------------
    Space launches are insured, there are no losses there.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 10 November 2017 10: 47 New
      +3
      There are losses in any case, firstly this time, secondly, insurance companies are not at all happy with such an outcome, and thirdly, insurance for future launches will only be more expensive with each subsequent unsuccessful launch.
  12. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 09: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Mik13
    Perhaps, in the light of such a crushing success, Rogozin will be given a salary in trampolines? And at the same time, and to all his many relatives, whom he in obscene quantities shoved into the posts of directors and managers ...

    -----------------------------------------
    I agree that the village of Rogozino with its inhabitants only slows down various projects where specialists are needed, and not managers of the managerial department of the managerial and financial institute.
    1. models
      models 10 November 2017 10: 35 New
      0
      You cannot force those “specialists” without Lavrenty Palych to develop something different from the Soviet legacy. TNA and gasgen can now be oversized and in CAD, but in order to put a stage on a barge, you need to think.
  13. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2017 10: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: modeller
    You cannot force those “specialists” without Lavrenty Palych to develop something different from the Soviet legacy. TNA and gasgen can now be oversized and in CAD, but in order to put a stage on a barge, you need to think.

    -------------------------------------
    Rogozin's son pulls on Beria? He doesn’t even pull on Isaac Waltzman. There was such an organizer of the production of tanks in Chelyabinsk Tankograd, put in a minister, did not pull. Will Vostochny Cosmodrome ever start to justify itself?
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 11: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Will Vostochny Cosmodrome ever begin to justify itself?

      But doesn’t it justify?
      No matter how east of Moscow is located
      ;)
  14. Kotofeich
    Kotofeich 10 November 2017 10: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
    Before engaging shapkozakidatelstvom and uryapatriotizmom, we must remember that under the feet walking path there. Yes, they are mistaken and much that does not work out. But they work. But in Russia, as with advanced developments? What's up with the Hangar? Many projects remain on paper because there is no money. And by the way, many Russian engineers are working on foreign projects. So do not say that they need to fly into space on a trampoline.

    What, no money? Who doesn’t? “This year was marked by the return of 16 Russian entrepreneurs to the Forbes rating (dollar billionaires). In 2017, there were no departures from the Forbes list on the Russian Federation.” what
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 November 2017 17: 47 New
      +1
      The state does not have money, for the development of space technology, etc. And none of our billionaires will invest in Roscosmos - a very big risk of losing all investments.
  15. screw cutter
    screw cutter 10 November 2017 10: 44 New
    +4
    Not everything can be bought for money. Apparently, Soviet cadres started to end, but there are no schools for new ones in the states, and Russian new ones have not yet grown up. A well-fed life does not contribute to the birth of new ideas, it only contributes to the creation of frauds for cutting budget money, since The industry is not visited by fans of their craft, but by careerists and lovers of jamon.
    1. models
      models 10 November 2017 14: 56 New
      +2
      Those. did the Soviet personnel at the stands never and when didn’t explode?
  16. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 10 November 2017 10: 47 New
    +3
    Mask was in low-voltage engines.

    But he quickly cleared that it was not effective enough, and began to force the engines. Hence the explosions. Given that in his missiles 9-27 engines of the first stage, this approach is not productive.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 November 2017 17: 49 New
      +3
      He now has the most intense engine is the Raptor.
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 11 November 2017 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      Mask was in low-voltage engines.
      But he quickly cleared that it was not effective enough, and began to force the engines. Hence the explosions.

      The biggest boost when moving from
      Merlin 1C: Pressure in the combustion chamber - 6.14 MPa
      on
      Merlin 1D Pressure in the combustion chamber - MPa 9.72 MPa
      It’s quite a fly successfully.
  17. Kotofeich
    Kotofeich 10 November 2017 10: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: screw cutter
    Not everything can be bought for money. Apparently, Soviet cadres started to end, but there are no schools for new ones in the states, and Russian new ones have not yet grown up. A well-fed life does not contribute to the birth of new ideas, it only contributes to the creation of frauds for cutting budget money, since The industry is not visited by fans of their craft, but by careerists and lovers of jamon.

    That's right.
  18. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 10: 54 New
    +5
    I notice that in recent years the circle of readers and main commentators of VO articles has pretty much grown up with couch experts who have moved here from Odnoklassniki. They don’t know anything, they don’t understand anything, but there’s more than enough “urry-patriotism”. Well, the desire to pile America and NATO with the hands of other people's sons (and not their own), more than enough. But adequate people in most cases prefer to keep silent with disgust. But in vain. Keep it up!
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 10 November 2017 11: 12 New
      +2
      I’m embarrassed to ask. And how did you find out about adequate people if they are “squeamishly silent”? And
      before blaming others for incompetence calling them "couch experts" it would be nice to hear from you a professional comment on this topic.
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan 10 November 2017 14: 03 New
        +3
        Read the comments. For the most part it is: “Hurray!”, “So they need it”, “Ukrainians!”, “Bandera!”, And all that sort of thing. Do you really think such people are competent? They have not sniffed gunpowder in life and do not understand what they are carrying.
    2. region58
      region58 10 November 2017 16: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Adequate people in most cases prefer to keep silent with disgust.

      As for the "squeamish" perhaps too much ... Uninteresting. In addition, Cervantes was read ... Yes, and it is difficult to respond to nonsense.
      PS I do not pretend to be "adequate" - I have my own cockroaches in my head. Do not offer treatment, it’s not bad for me. wassat
      PPS At one time he was seriously interested in astronomy and everything related to space. Knowledge has not disappeared, but you read a different comment and understand that it is useless to explain anything ... request
  19. gukoyan
    gukoyan 10 November 2017 11: 32 New
    +1
    I see not only we have problems with missiles ...
  20. Sergey53
    Sergey53 10 November 2017 11: 39 New
    0
    Although the bike \ that is, the rocket engine \ and with square wheels but its own, native.
  21. Bronevick
    Bronevick 10 November 2017 11: 42 New
    +1
    Sutra is such good news. I'm not evil, I just have to pay for everything.
  22. XXXIII
    XXXIII 10 November 2017 12: 10 New
    +1
    According to a company representative, “The incident is not likely to affect the launch schedule of the Falcon 9 launch vehicles.”
    already influenced, the rocket that bye bye ..... fool .... it’s good that people are safe, iron-money according to FIG .... wink
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 12: 17 New
      0
      And where is the rocket? An engine of a new modification exploded at the stand. Nothing happened with the rockets and the current engines.
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 10 November 2017 13: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        An engine of a new modification exploded at the stand. Nothing happened with the rockets and the current engines.

        Of course, they are Russian. laughing
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 10 November 2017 13: 18 New
          +2
          On Falcon are American engines Marilyn. Russian engines on the Atlas launch vehicle, and Antares launch vehicle.
          Deltas, Pegasus, Minotaurs, Taurus and Falcons fly on American engines.
  23. Fanat85
    Fanat85 10 November 2017 12: 39 New
    0
    Quote: region58
    Quote: Logall
    Hooray comrades! Hooray Hooray Hooray! This is what I call - `` Good morning, country! ''!

    Well, yes, yes ... we don’t do things very well, the main thing is to make them worse ... well, joy - the cow died from a neighbor ... is familiar ... fool

    About the "neighbor's cow" the whole Internet is already littered !! chtoli taught by pattern? bully
    1. region58
      region58 10 November 2017 20: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Fanat85
      About the "neighbor's cow" the whole Internet is already littered !! chtoli taught by pattern?

      I’ll even say more - about her talydychat from the depths of centuries. And how many sayings and fables about her - do not count. Speak the Internet ... Yeah ... Grandmother's tales try to remember ...
  24. Fanat85
    Fanat85 10 November 2017 12: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    These people launched 25 missiles (USA) against 15 missiles (Russia) this year.

    Put a candle in the church for the benefit of Space X lol
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 12: 48 New
      0
      I am an atheist, and I am not happy that Russia is losing orders. And you can continue to ignore the situation.
  25. Victor-M
    Victor-M 10 November 2017 13: 06 New
    +3
    The Merlin engine for the Falcon 9 booster rocket exploded last Sunday at the SpaceX test site in Texas,

    Nothing, but the latest version has an iPhone. laughing
  26. Fanat85
    Fanat85 10 November 2017 13: 11 New
    0
    Quote: BlackMokona
    I am an atheist, and I am not happy that Russia is losing orders. And you can continue to ignore the situation.

    Who says ignoring the situation? smile if their rockets explode, then orders will appear with us and vice versa; if we explode, then orders from them. Another thing is that this industry is developing poorly. Space X will have more money
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 10 November 2017 13: 19 New
      0
      An engine exploded, not a rocket.
    2. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 10 November 2017 14: 06 New
      0
      Space X doesn't have as much money as it seems. And if their business burns out, then the bald from Amazon will get involved in the work. He is already breathing in Mask's back. wink
      1. models
        models 12 November 2017 09: 38 New
        0
        And even when that bald from Amazon last year blew up the engine at the “patriots” stand, they somehow did not notice it.
  27. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 November 2017 14: 17 New
    +4
    There is no greater joy for a peasant than finding out that a neighbor has died a cow smile
    1. Popovich
      Popovich 10 November 2017 16: 04 New
      +1
      is the kosher cow?
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 10 November 2017 18: 10 New
        +1
        Everything is pi.doshnoe kosher.
  28. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 10 November 2017 14: 37 New
    +4
    Not surprising laughing
    Let them continue to shoot in Hollywood.
  29. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 10 November 2017 19: 27 New
    +1
    maxim947,
    Quote: maxim947
    A lot of things are also written on the fence ...
    Additional pull where you take? Will you push it manually?

    How difficult it is to increase the running time of the remaining engines drinks
  30. 1536
    1536 11 November 2017 09: 09 New
    0
    It’s too early for Americans to fly into space. What can they bring there? Arms race, deceit, robbery, filibuster, fascism and terrorism? They introduce all this in excess on the earth. So in space this country has no place!
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